Shrouded only gives the extra cp when stealthed, but the damage is applied always
#assassination
limber lion
slow marsh
my bad i thought we were talking aoe for some reason
limber lion
We are
slow marsh
you said dont cast garrote twice
limber lion
Literally says to use Fan of Knives if you have Garrote on everything
Yes
You don't
If the target has Garrote on it, you press FoK
Just like the picture says
slow marsh
yah but doesn't IC smart target so you can garrote the same target twice to spread ?
Or is that fake news
limber lion
Yes...
left charm
is there a good fatebound m+ build or not just run ds
limber lion
So you would Garrote because there's targets that don't have Garrote on it
Still not sure what is confusing
If target has no garrote, you press Garrote
glad osprey
is there a good fatebound m+ build or not just run ds
Unfortunately we’re stuck with DS
limber lion
is there a good fatebound m+ build or not just run ds
Just run DS
slow marsh
because technically it's still garrote twice on the same target but i get what you mean
limber lion
No
If there's 6 targets, you should use Garrote on a target without Garrote
Or 8+ targets
You can garrote the same target twice if there's 4, 5 or 7 targets
slow marsh
gotcha
limber lion
But that's still the same rule
If no Garrote on targets, you press Garrote
But you do not press Garrote for CP or to prolong IG
Ever
slow marsh
ever until we get a rehash of Sepulcher tier
tall atlas
is there an addon i can assign gearsets to talent builds and not just a spec
limber lion
ever until we get a rehash of Sepulcher tier
My wet dream, too bad 99% of the playerbase hates Exsanguinate effects
limber lion
is there an addon i can assign gearsets to talent builds and not just a spec
Probably, there's a million addons or weakauras that does that sort of stuff
Surely
tall atlas
just hate the base blizz one only does specs
slow marsh
My wet dream, too bad 99% of the playerbase hates Exsanguinate effects
well count me as the 1%
limber lion
just hate the base blizz one only does specs
How does your gear exactly change depending on talent choices?
limber lion
What trinkets?
tall atlas
i change sacbrood for spymasters
limber lion
Fair enough
tall atlas
i am gonna make one for the dagger embelishment and the dawnthread ones for ST/M+
cos the dagger sims like 5k higher
limber lion
That's a massive waste of currency
tall atlas
i dont really need anymore
limber lion
But you do you
tall atlas
maybe but
i already have the dagger so i can just make some boots and its done
maybe make a ring or neck first since we are not gonna be reclearing mythic
harsh anchor
I miss bfa
tall atlas
i miss bonus roll tokens
slow marsh
i miss being good at the game
wispy epoch
same
limber lion
Can't relate
tall atlas
i mean they have coding in the game for guild groups i dunno why they wouldnt just make master loot for guild groups
and have percy for everything else
cerulean walrus
We posting gear screenshots? Just a couple things left and then I don't have to play the game at all 
I'll be free
vale shore
when using this, do we just set it and forget it? or is there a rhyme or reason to standing still vs moving vs freezing the buff for 20 seconds?
or do we avoid this at all costs?
limber lion
We posting gear screenshots? Just a couple things left and then I don't have to ...
Big
tall atlas
We posting gear screenshots? Just a couple things left and then I don't have to ...
`mastery haster gems
noice
thats when you know youre geared to the tits
you start taking haste gems
wispy epoch
We posting gear screenshots? Just a couple things left and then I don't have to ...
ummmmmmm you're not maximizing your blasphemite gem there bucko
cerulean walrus
ummmmmmm you're not maximizing your blasphemite gem there bucko
Tell the robot that
slate crown
ummmmmmm you're not maximizing your blasphemite gem there bucko
nerd
limber lion
when using this, do we just set it and forget it? or is there a rhyme or reason ...
You basically just want to stand still as much as possible and freeze the effect when you have to move
It's a bit wonky
limber lion
you start taking haste gems
Oh nice, I guess I was geared to the tits when I was 570 ilvl
🕺
vale shore
I am using it with a skardyns, is there any point to jitter-stepping and mad-stacking the mastery with it?
limber lion
No
tall atlas
Oh nice, I guess I was geared to the tits when I was 570 ilvl
damn right
limber lion
The primary stat is the reason it's good
vale shore
oh
cerulean walrus
Oh nice, I guess I was geared to the tits when I was 570 ilvl
You're always geared to the tits Cev
limber lion
The secondary is bad and you want to avoid it
wild thorn
should i go 2x kukris
cerulean walrus
Go with whatever you can get your hands on
wild thorn
if i have my embellishments without the dagger slot
vale shore
I replaced Shadow-binding ritual knife for it, that is just agility all the time and sometimes takes away secondary, is that just a better trinket?
limber lion
throwing numbers out of my ass but like imagine having 210k mastery and then with the trinket you have 232k mastery
tall atlas
Go with whatever you can get your hands on
yes
limber lion
I replaced Shadow-binding ritual knife for it, that is just agility all the time...
Yes, you cannot get Ritual Knife at Myth track however so eventually it will fall off
vale shore
im not exactly rolling in myth track trinkets even the egg is heroic
limber lion
You're always geared to the tits Cev <:SMILERS:789256699021361193>
True
tall atlas
Agility however goes nuts
this is why trech trans is pog but the game is so so so stupid it makes it unusable
wild thorn
torso
limber lion
im not exactly rolling in myth track trinkets even the egg is heroic
Just run a Ritual Knife then
vale shore
im about to go do Timewalking Ulduar praying for a Wrathstone
cerulean walrus
Not using moons gear tho?
limber lion
One slayer task before going back to red prison
limber lion
Not using moons gear tho?
Grinded it for a bit, haven't gotten any blood moon armor yet
wild thorn
are you im?
limber lion
Yep
cerulean walrus
Cringe
limber lion
Me and my friend sitting at 500kc altogether now
cerulean walrus
Unethical, even
limber lion
No seeds yet
rich elbow
Sit
Took me 800 for enhanced
limber lion
Ouch
cerulean walrus
What's your slayer Cev
limber lion
just buy mega scales kekw
My main is 2k+ total, but over the years I've used up the entire bank on buying bonds for my ironman which I played super on and off and now it's just super dry
limber lion
What's your slayer Cev
78
cerulean walrus
Honestly probably not
limber lion
Fair enough
cerulean walrus
I burn out of the leagues super fast
And also just like
IDK
The relics always give me FOMO thinking I picked the wrong shit
wild thorn
my main got banned and theyre probably gonna get my im too
limber lion
I like em, and this time around I have 2 friends playing with me which is super rare
cerulean walrus
limber lion
The relics always give me FOMO thinking I picked the wrong shit
Yeaaah I feel ya
rich elbow
My iron is 2180 total and super unlucky so i burned out hard
limber lion
my main got banned and theyre probably gonna get my im too
Bad man.
rich elbow
May play leagues tho
limber lion
My iron is 2180 total and super unlucky so i burned out hard
Damn massive
cerulean walrus
SO real oomfie
rich elbow
Damn massive
Wfh and quiet office jobs help with the total level a bit 😂😂
cerulean walrus
WoW burnout getting so real I haven't played OSRS in a long time either
Playing fucking Warframe 
Hit MR30
upper oak
do you all prefer spyglass or sacbrood?
limber lion
Spyglass
upper oak
currently running hero sacbrood/skardyns. I can go either myth spyglass, or the mythic wings of shattered sorrow (back). thinking of just going spyglass since i can more likely get the cloak from raid. hard to tell since they both sim about the same
snow kindle
any cloak is just as good as that one
it just has the bonus and comes at 639 already but with how much crests available im sure u cna 639 any cloak easily
639 trinket much harder to get and more valuable then sum cloak
novel star
^
dusk fox
sac brood 639 or crystal 626?
Sac simmed like 5k high for me this morning with the same ilvls you had
dapper cradle
ever worth it to drop lethality for forced induction in raid ST?
don't have access to sim atm
snow kindle
ever worth it to drop lethality for forced induction in raid ST?
Sikran
limber lion
ever worth it to drop lethality for forced induction in raid ST?
Yes, just play FI everywhere in raid
limber lion
Np
zinc willow
!wa
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digital spindle
on heroic you can shadow step to queen after pull?
snow kindle
yes
digital spindle
damn nice ty
versed dust
For supercharger, do I have to spend CPs like the old echoing reprimand, so basically when I get to the supercharged CP I press a spender, or no matters if it's a supercharged CP or not, as long as I have one up, if I spend it considers the 2 bonus CPs anyway
versed dust
ty
coral ibex
the only time i pay attention to it is if i get 6cp and have DN up
but even that is marginal and sometimes i just go to 7 anyway
runic hinge
Same. And I just think about if I shiv’ed recently or not
The dps is marginal but the strain on my mental from pressing mut on 6 is immense
coral ibex
truly a test of will
alpine oracle
question, can you buy items for you alts with valot stones yet??
iron carbon
!up
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desert spire
1
balmy condor
2
runic hinge
question, can you buy items for you alts with valot stones yet??
Yes
To the left of the keystone lady/portal room
languid dock
!tricks
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misty holly
Is there any way to check dawnthread lining uptime from logs?
split willow
buffs
golden crane
Hey guys, is there any downsides to crafting a second dagger if im struggling to find an offhand?
golden crane
Thanks @fathom zenith
snow kindle
Hey guys, is there any downsides to crafting a second dagger if im struggling to...
at this point no not really a terrible idea
lost wharf
My guild is starting prog on Silken mythic on thursday. I watched a guide and was wondering a couple of things:
- Can you pre-cloak and soak all the orbs of the opposite color?
- Do you die if you touch a different color player while you have cloak?
- The guide mentioned something about an immunity stack. Do rogues stack in that with cloak?
- Do you delay cds for the vulnerability phase and just chill at pull?
novel star
Hey guys, is there any downsides to crafting a second dagger if im struggling to...
the downside is that offhand is the worst slot and it costs a very large amount of crests
anything else would be better pretty much
worldly sail
My guild is starting prog on Silken mythic on thursday. I watched a guide and wa...
- no
- never tried, but the other player will surely die
- not actually sure what this is help
- you can do either really (send on pull or hold), but i think most hold for the damage amp
lost wharf
Oh so we still get stacks if we cloak? I kinda hoped it would work.
worldly sail
being able to cloak the orb debuff would be a bit too powerful 
lost wharf
And regarding 2: That's precisely the point. Going for the hunt when a raid wipe is called for pesky hunters and such 😄
worldly sail
lost wharf
It's obviously just for trolling reasons and has no real progression purpose, but I think I'm gonna try. We have another rogue and we are assigned opposite colors. We already planning to wipe each others group and vanish to remain the supreme class
cloud basin
should i upgrade my crafted weapon or belt to max?
snow kindle
It's obviously just for trolling reasons and has no real progression purpose, bu...
i tried you die lol
coral ibex
My guild is starting prog on Silken mythic on thursday. I watched a guide and wa...
no, yes, depends if you are on web duty, yes
lost wharf
Okay, Blizz is on a clear "no fun allowed" policy here :<
coral ibex
the number of orbs you've soaked isn't a debuff you can cloak
you just die
this is the same with all immunities
lost wharf
But thank you all for the answers ❤️
coral ibex
otherwise the fight would be trivial
you'd just cycle immunes to soak every orb
you can cloak any mechanic that makes you drop an orb tho
and you won't drop one
that's what the immunity stack is for
manic sedge
Any recommendations
near jetty
sim prob smart
lost wharf
Any recommendations
Oh that neck is a tilter you don't have it on myth track :<
manic sedge
Oh that neck is a tilter you don't have it on myth track :<
i kow i jsut hit 80 about a week ago so didnt do much 10s yet im just 616
have cahmpion cloack which is what sims tell me to get
lost wharf
That's fair. What stats are on that cloak?
manic sedge
392 haste 664 mastery so not bad
lost wharf
I mean then I would take it too. Big upgrade, decent stats, myth track and sim tells you to take it aswell
split willow
how do i apply mana oil to both weapons
manic sedge
I mean then I would take it too. Big upgrade, decent stats, myth track and sim t...
yaeh true thanks !
lost wharf
how do i apply mana oil to both weapons
Idk if you can apply mana oil as rogue? There are whetstones tho and you can just right click them from your bag and then right click the weapon you want to apply it to
royal lantern
how do i apply mana oil to both weapons
use 1, wait a couple seconds, use the 2nd
yes its a bit weird
if you use them back to back it applies the oil to the MH again Sometimes
gusty plover
Crazy vault lmao
lost wharf
Dang, that Vault brings out my inner Golum
lost wharf
Whispyr gonna be speedy
harsh anchor
who
pearl steppe
!wa
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hardy prairie
i wasnt seeing people use fan of knives on mythic Rash, is it better not to even with the cp generation from adds?
coral ibex
many groups delete the adds within literally a few globals
you might not even get to fan depending on what you're doing in your rotation
slim pebble
Boots right?
brave stump
no, boots left
balmy condor
true
burnt juniper
balmy condor
thanks king
balmy condor
this is not one of your barbarian aspects
meet me silken court at 6pm and we'll settle this beef like real losers
torpid lion
brave stump
meet me silken court at 6pm and we'll settle this beef like real losers
how to hold cds 45 seconds
i literally feel like
balmy condor
how to hold cds 45 seconds
me dps'ing i1 shield even though stop was called
marble hemlock
"need to build deathstalkers mark"
drifting cloud
me dps'ing i1 shield even though stop was called
gaslight the officers to change strat
hollow vessel
Is it advisable to socket all 5 gem types for the Culminating Diamond bonus?
balmy condor
4
hollow vessel
So, I should only socket emerald, sapphire, ruby and onyx? I shouldnt socket amber, right?
novel star
yep
balmy condor
yes
hollow vessel
thankyou
novel star
stamina gem sucks too much
diamond also sucks too much
but it sucks lightly enough that its still worth using 4 colours
raven dew
https://youtu.be/HVeEI4NKMfY?si=dDRqGiakUxKYAB8G&t=37 - anyone know why he uses vanish here? is it to proc the buffs gained from subterfuge? or is it for something else
coral ibex
did you ever figure out why that person was using a speed metagem
novel star
https://youtu.be/HVeEI4NKMfY?si=dDRqGiakUxKYAB8G&t=37 - anyone know why he uses ...
master assassin
balmy condor
https://youtu.be/HVeEI4NKMfY?si=dDRqGiakUxKYAB8G&t=37 - anyone know why he uses ...
master assassin and more bleeds
gloomy heart
tmrws my bday, can’t wait to play wow !
rugged sphinx
!wa
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raven dew
oooh interesting. im also assuming its also to minmax cooldowns as both deathmark + kingsbane are still going?
raven dew
gotcha okok
novel star
oooh interesting. im also assuming its also to minmax cooldowns as both deathmar...
yes
vanishing for master assassin during kingsbane is very standard
raven dew
🙏 tyty
learning the spec - definitely feeling the initial learning curve
i just got down the habit of shiv the last 7 sec of kingsbane + tea right afterwards
idle inlet
How does whispyr get his details to show damage to the boss?
urban mantle
How good is the Ovi'nax trinket 639?
idle inlet
How does whispyr get his details to show damage to the boss?
@balmy condor
wise whale
it works
dense glen
how do ppl feel about Empowering Crystal vs. Ovi'nax Egg?
winged sun
dense glen
my 626 Ovi'nax egg sims similar or better than a lot of 639 stuff
dense glen
i have a Myth track Empowering Crystal in my vault but honestly it doesn't sim that much better than hero Ovi'nax egg
novel star
how do ppl feel about Empowering Crystal vs. Ovi'nax Egg?
ovinax egg is cringe i don’t want to track it
dense glen
honestly if you're not like constantly moving it stays pretty high on the agil side
but fair point
novel star
that’s the problem
high stacks is not correct
going above 20 on either buff is cringe
dense glen
i don't bother min-maxing it
novel star
ovinax egg is cringe i don’t want to track it
exactly why i said this
dense glen
what does the sim even do for ovi'nax egg?
novel star
don’t want to bother using it if i’m not optimizing it personally
novel star
what does the sim even do for ovi'nax egg?
stays roughly 20/10 the whole fight iirc
dense glen
ahh that must be why it sims so high
snow kindle
am i crazy or is imp garrote glowing now on ui
novel star
dno
balmy condor
How does whispyr get his details to show damage to the boss?
enemy damage taken -> find your enemy -> shift left click
golden crane
Hey guys, new sin rogue... how are we supposed to deal with add groups in the middle of boss fights without vanish (e.g spiderlings with first ara kara boss)? I've been crimson tempesting and trying to set up a caustic spatter to cleave asap, is that right?
dense glen
yeah those adds don't live suuper long so hard to get rupture up on all of them
dense glen
Hey guys, new sin rogue... how are we supposed to deal with add groups in the mi...
i usually aim to get a tempest off on them and then focus one with caustic
novel star
Could someone tell me why my details 40mil damage higher than WarcraftLogs here?
Aug
decent bit of aug damage is not properly attributed to aug on details
novel star
i don’t remember exactly what the names of the spells are but it’s a known thing
bombardments maybe?
wise whale
bombardments maybe?
this
novel star
k thought so
dense cove
is there a reason why it would only effect me and not the other rogue in our group? his details matches almost perfectly that very same log
glad osprey
how do ya'll handle deathstalker mark in raid
I find I mess up and with no vanish I lose tons of dps
Sometimes mechanics unstealth me and I can't even like
leave one to begin with
balmy condor
don't mess it up idk
always open with ambush
and then just darkest night for the rest of the fight
novel star
glad osprey
Yeah idk what's putting me out of stealth
I sometimes lose it
like I just did ulgrax
and somehow i lost it
idk if its the actual mark just
disappearing
or if its somehow im being pulled out of stealth before i can ambush
balmy condor
do you have logs
normal fulcrum
if I have 619 hero track of both, is sac the play?
normal fulcrum
good trinkets are a lot more rare than just like, any random chest piece
yea was thinking this
novel star
sim it tho
but still keep in mind
the rarity thing
myth raid shit is way more farmable
normal fulcrum
about 100 dps diff at the same ilvl so sac would be the move due to rarity
novel star
normal fulcrum
that doesnt make me feel better
balmy condor
real for that
dark current
how are we suppose to survive last boss of CoT? Does feint mitigate her root damage and the explosion damage we get when she spawn adds? I just tried right now and it didn't work. So, basically only have CoS and heals every 30 seconds.
spice surge
Elusiveness
lethal turtle
Elusiveness, cloak, evasion on dry healer cds for slam.
dark current
so elusiveness is better for m+ over cheat death then?
or is that for CoT last boss only?
lethal turtle
Most dgns yes.
coral ibex
i think cheat mostly covers mistakes
severe sparrow
im pretty sure you need it at higher keys at a certain point but i dont do shit that high 
coral ibex
so if you dont make mistakes, elu is strictly better
lethal turtle
I never take CD now
ruby bolt
dark current
holy shit feint is god like with elusivness
i guess its equivalent to fury's spell reflect
lethal turtle
did you peep what it adds to evasion too
proud dust
does spatter reach adds on rash anan or no?
severe sparrow
if theyre not super far back yeah
proud dust
okie doke ty
short night
is this bannable
balmy condor
idk about bannable but it ain't looking good for you in any case
coral ibex
definitely reasonable behavior
short night
idk about bannable but it ain't looking good for you in any case
i was in the right
coral ibex
idk
desert vault
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short night
he kicked me after a wipe
coral ibex
angry whipsers are always right
balmy condor
i was in the right
yeah but you're like flaming the dude for getting kicked from a pug
gilded wolf
Do we have any impactful professions other than alchemy for the flask duration?
short night
yeah but you're like flaming the dude for getting kicked from a pug
no no im the one
who got kicked
i was whsiperngi the raid leader
cyan karma
is this bannable
No enchants… kick
runic hinge
Kicking someone is not bannable. What you said might be a chat ban
earnest remnant
coral ibex
first 99 on a mythic boss 
cobalt sphinx
damn 3 mins is a fucking fast kill
coral ibex
yea we zoomin
keen spruce
is this bannable
This is a wild self report
runic hinge
Not that wild
jolly heath
Who care enough about it in heroic pug at this point bruh haha
lethal turtle
dont worry i sent him a picture
neon thunder
is wrathstone simbait? or actual good?
static glacier
is wrathstone simbait? or actual good?
its as good as the sim says
short night
guys which main hand? does it matter
static glacier
what about the trinket says simbait to you
feral mason
This is like me sending my overwatch chatlogs and saying I was an upstanding citizen
static glacier
guys which main hand? does it matter
higher ilvl
spice surge
is wrathstone simbait? or actual good?
Is good
ebon notch
This is like me sending my overwatch chatlogs and saying I was an upstanding cit...
(he did jail time)
slate crown
that's not a 100
slate crown
I'm so smart
balmy condor
slate crown
gloomy hinge
i was in the right
Idk in what way that behavior is ”right”
gloomy hinge
Yeaaaah… It’s just a heroic raid, get kicked go next and do the mechanics
west crown
definitely looks like the right behavior
gloomy hinge
?
gilded wolf
How far behind is fatebound for someone not min/maxing coin flips?
woven shore
crazy
balmy condor
ebon notch
this is a fucking GOATED kill time
ebon notch
Now link the rasha’nan reclear
bro that was demonic
hold on i got a gnarly screenshot from that
balmy condor
that's crazy
balmy condor
i look up to you so that means a lot
damn, that's also crazy
ebon notch
damn, that's also crazy
thanks man
static glacier
ebon notch
i look up to you so that means a lot
gloomy hinge
not to flex, but yes to flex
Do you have guides for specific bosses and how you play them as rogue to do those numbers?
balmy condor
yeh wowhead.com
and if there's adds
you take caustic
and then do the same thing
but with caustic
other than that just have gear play good get lucky gg
spec is very simple
woven shore
huge grats brody
27 parse im so bad
coral ibex
27 parse im so bad
bro i had 33 on my first, we killed in enrage and i played so safe
woven shore
bro i had 33 on my first, we killed in enrage and i played so safe
same
gloomy hinge
Ah yeah i’ve checked the guide but i mean more specifically about cd usage and those things, like on bloodhound do you just smash caustic on adds and stack them together and thats it?
woven shore
did you press the cds good? did you not fuck your mark?
used all on cd
coral ibex
did you die
woven shore
no
coral ibex
W
balmy condor
Ah yeah i’ve checked the guide but i mean more specifically about cd usage and t...
yes
gloomy hinge
Alrighty
woven shore
gloomy hinge
I’ve had a hard time trying to parse in mythic pugs 💀
gloomy hinge
My best was an 80 on first boss i think
gloomy hinge
I wanna be like the dks that do almost 3m that fight
balmy condor
I’ve had a hard time trying to parse in mythic pugs 💀
💀
yeah
that'll do it
lmao
gloomy hinge
WELL IM an m+ player 😭 i aint got a guild
coral ibex
brother just join a guild
runic hinge
They should make a different game mode for m+ers like plunder storm where they can just queue into a lobby together
balmy condor
the existence of m+ implies the existence of m-
maybe we can do something with that
spice spire
the existence of m+ implies the existence of m-
Yeah how about you m minus this number pal
balmy condor
Yeah how about you m minus this number pal
did you know that your phone number minus my phone number is actually your birthday?
spice spire
Incredible
balmy condor
yeah I'll show you
spice spire
Nice
balmy condor
what's your number?
wild thorn
988
ebon notch
911
spice spire
wild thorn
im gonna choke someone if there isnt a 639 skardyns in my vault
blazing pumice
you can freeze an item in your vault
visual sun
Take launcher for m- build
wild thorn
looks like a socket angle
blazing pumice
if you select the tokens, you can buy any one of those items for the next two weeks with the tokens
try it
wild thorn
surely
covert lichen
I already have anub'ikkaj at 639 - Socket or spyglass?
balmy condor
how much does the spyglass sim as an upgrade
wild thorn
is 639 sacbrood actually a dps loss on aoe compared to a 626 empowering crystall
blazing pumice
they should be about the same
wild thorn
damn they clapped sacbrood
coral ibex
i love boss damage 
clever perch
i dont think is worth tho (i had skardyn 639)
would u take transmitter 639 over skardyn 639?
cba right?
wild thorn
if you like that trash
clever perch
i dont
wild thorn
yea then no
wild thorn
based
covert lichen
how much does the spyglass sim as an upgrade
3k dps increase
thorn sierra
is emergency stop keychain good? its like 3.5k mastery and 1.5k haste , mainly doing mplus , got it from vault
thorn sierra
is it good for raiding ?
blazing pumice
yes
thorn sierra
ok thank you
clever perch
is emergency stop keychain good? its like 3.5k mastery and 1.5k haste , mainly d...
it all depends on ur stats
and yea it can be good
blazing pumice
it doesn't
clever perch
the fk u mean xD
blazing pumice
haste is our worst stat for m+
clever perch
its 2k haste 4k mastery
blazing pumice
no matter how little haste you have, it's not going to come out front in a dslice sim
blazing pumice
ok
go sim yourself
with that neck vs crit mastery craft
in dslice
tell me which comes out ahead
clever perch
like
torpid relic
Trinket or socket?
clever perch
again, it depends entirelly on ur stats xd
blazing pumice
no, it doesn't
torpid relic
spy glass simmin 10k dps more than 626 crystal
blazing pumice
go and do what i just said
blazing pumice
no you don't
cyan karma
Tea on boths shivs in st is fine yeah?
runic hinge
You don’t need a minimum haste but saying having none isn’t correct either. The sim will tell you generally what is better and haste has some value in single target. Saying 0 isn’t right and saying you need a minimum isn’t correct either. What is correct is letting the robot decide
runic hinge
Tea on boths shivs in st is fine yeah?
Yea
clever perch
You don’t need a minimum haste but saying having none isn’t correct either. The ...
DEPENDS
ON
YOUR
STATS
xD
torpid relic
Trinket or socket?
help
blazing pumice
no it fkn doesn't
runic hinge
it does u need a min. haste
Yes but this isn’t correct. There isn’t a minimum
west crown
no it fkn doesn't
yes it does
uneven crag
Replacing a Trinket with Dead Eye spyglass; should I get rid of Sikran's Endless Arsenal or bottled flayed toxin?
clever perch
good
west crown
which matters
clever perch
what's the max key u timed
runic hinge
Holy this brain rot
uneven crag
How you sim, I'm on month 2 of WoW x)
blazing pumice
a 16?
runic hinge
!simguide
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
west crown
and use this site
clever perch
and
u rly doing dps with 0 haste like
u're not leaking energy
that's what u're telling me
wild thorn
i got 6% haste is that like the standard
wild thorn
ive never had energy problems in m+
clever perch
cuz ur haste is fine
torpid relic
i have 3
west crown
haste being good for your character is absolutely dependent on how much you already have
torpid relic
and still got no problem
blazing pumice
west crown
like mastery will be better for you if you have 15-20% haste
west crown
you are missing the point
blazing pumice
i have 590 haste in my gear
wild thorn
almost all of my haste is from tier pieces
blazing pumice
and it's still my worst stat
runic hinge
.3% is barely outside the margin of error.
blazing pumice
margin of error is 0.06
torpid relic
639 spy glass or 626 crystal?
west crown
the point is haste being good for you depends on how much haste you already have in the first place
torpid relic
spy glass simmin high but im not sure ab prob up tiem
west crown
which you disagreed with and is wrong
blazing pumice
right but i have nearly zero haste
and it's still my worst stat in m+
so what you just said isn't true
it's not ultra mega useless, but it's still my worst stat
cyan karma
Wouldn’t haste be completely usless if your were good enough at managing 5 ruptures all the time?
wild thorn
i love 5 ruptures on 1 target
blazing pumice
it doesn't contribute to your aoe damage as much as other stats do
runic hinge
margin of error is 0.06
It’s 4k dps when you’re doing 2 million lmfao. It’s such a small difference you pressing one global wrong or missing a clear the witness proc in single target is worth more. Please stop arguing about stats.
cyan karma
Bar the boss obviously
blazing pumice
the energy gain from haste is pretty w/e
clever perch
Wouldn’t haste be completely usless if your were good enough at managing 5 ruptu...
Dude
u guys need ST in a m+
blazing pumice
It’s 4k dps when you’re doing 2 million lmfao. It’s such a small difference you ...
i answered the guys question and had a bunch of wrong answers
clever perch
u have to dps bosses
u are gigaclowning at bosses with 0 haste
u think u doing full aoe on m+
torpid relic
adding 2% hast is not gonna change ur ST
blazing pumice
the only reason there are top rogues with haste on their gear is because they are running transmitter
and that's because they haven't got bis from vault
clever perch
from 0% haste to 8% haste yea its gonna change ur st
torpid relic
you will never have 0
clever perch
1%
runic hinge
torpid relic
its not gonna help that much tho i went to 3% from 9%
clever perch
try to sim at st for idk 4-5 min then
clever perch
with haste vs with no haste
clever perch
see how much changes
blazing pumice
you could drop a bunch of mastery for haste to improve your st
you could also drop sudden demise and pick up ttk
mighty scroll
Guys I got Windwalker Blade myth dagger. Should I get it and replace with heroic blood kissed? Raidbot tells me to take crit haste slotted Band of the undergrowth wrist instead of myth dagger
blazing pumice
drop sb and pick up systemic failure
wild thorn
wait do people run sudden demise
clever perch
they dont
blazing pumice
drop sbs and pick up blindside
clever perch
no one plays sudden demise
uneven crag
When doing the sim, I assume I choose dungeon slice if I typically run M+?
wild thorn
ive ran ttk since it got updated
uneven crag
no one plays sudden demise
wait is this true? Isn't that still present on the WoWhead guide??
blazing pumice
there's no point dropping sudden demise
unless you are actually pushing high keys
it's trolling
clever perch
well im not talking about +10s
uneven crag
well im not talking about +10s
I've been running sudden demise and doing 10's. Not at a god tier rate/dps, but still lol
wild thorn
its fine
runic hinge
@keen spruce do you run sudden demise?
balmy condor
wait is this true? Isn't that still present on the WoWhead guide??
he's yapping idk
sudden demise is totally fine
even in high keys
there's just a billion fucking talent swaps you can do
keen spruce
<@119274470241206273> do you run sudden demise?
not anymore
runic hinge
Nerd
uneven crag
there's just a billion fucking talent swaps you can do
any thoughts on assassination vs subtly for high keys after the recent buff? Which is better
coral ibex
so i recleared ovinax with my guild (my first kill) tonight
and they literally just use bw
no weakauras
my performance was INSANE
balmy condor
any thoughts on assassination vs subtly for high keys after the recent buff? Whi...
I would be incredibly surprised if sub is better
lament pagoda
I would be incredibly surprised if sub is better
I would be incredibly annoyed
ebon notch
won't make it randomly better than mdi spec
But MDI and high keys are very different right
Some people were already swapping to sub for last bosses
ebon notch
:/
spice spire
You don’t deserve that king
You’re great and don’t let scana ever tell you otherwise
balmy condor
Some people were already swapping to sub for last bosses
brainrot
coral ibex
emplussers
balmy condor
true
coral ibex
can't make it up
spice surge
Well ye assa absolutely stinks on last boss of NW
coral ibex
deez
cyan karma
Well ye assa absolutely stinks on last boss of NW
Press kings-bane…. “I have had enough of youuuuuuu”… ohh kayy 🥲
blazing pumice
sounds perfect, you come up and crank him with death mark
spice surge
On higher keys you need to hold your darkest nights for most things
Both the shield and the downstairs
spice surge
Yep
Fleshcrafters are infinitely cringe as well
Baffling that they havent done anything to them
outer marsh
Do you guys cast thistle tea for mastery or just let the auto use roll?
balmy condor
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
outer marsh
ty
ebon notch
Yeah basically requiring you to mind control a crafter the whole key on higher levels is not fun
outer marsh
macro
so is this effectively tea during cool downs and then the other two charges are used when low energy?
balmy condor
It uses tea with shiv and you don’t give a shit what happens otherwise
If it procs it procs
trail heath
How can you prevent Deathstalker's Mark from glitching out D:
All night, it wouldn't proc on pull, even after vanishing into Ambush
west crown
sounds like an issue on your end. It messes up sometimes but not that frequently
royal python
Does the ring craft bug still work ?
coral ibex
yes
trail heath
sounds like an issue on your end. It messes up sometimes but not that frequently
Tonight, it worked 5 times out of 23 pulls. incredibly frustrating
wild thorn
Well ye assa absolutely stinks on last boss of NW
is pretty chill
just hold evasion and vanish for the mob downstairs
on high keys
otherwise its unkillable
blazing pumice
the shield blasts you
wild thorn
ive probably not done high enough
sullen steppe
prep combo points/pool energy for the shield each time
keen spruce
on high keys you just hope you have enough time
spice surge
I mean its doable
spice surge
Its just significantly better as sub
keen spruce
or just port out and go sub yeah
runic hinge
Or take warlock gate to cancel send down and then cloak the debuff that kills you
wild thorn
or bring a evoker
runic hinge
Gross
wild thorn
unluigi
spice surge
Dont think the gate works either anymore, but im not 100% sure
Wyrmstone works though
To get back once youre sent down
rotund oak
waaaait what wyrmstone
dapper cradle
can we drop iron wire in siege?
blazing pumice
yes
coral ibex
DR always has value idk
nova python
hey, would you leave this piece as off set or catalyst it? (currently im at 1 tier set pieces, fresh character)
wild thorn
is it 5% or 15% dont remember
wild thorn
hey, would you leave this piece as off set or catalyst it? (currently im at 1 ti...
off set
blazing pumice
leave as offpiece
coral ibex
15% DR
nova python
thats what i thought, thanks
wild thorn
i love necrotic wake because you get prime mike tyson as a miniboss on last boss
coral ibex
bring down 7cp and just kidney him
gloomy heart
hey, would you leave this piece as off set or catalyst it? (currently im at 1 ti...
i’d just sell it , 99g is a lot!
bold oracle
i have a dumb question
gloomy heart
how dumb
bold oracle
I was playing stonevault yesterday, and i wasnt silencing the pack with garrote out of stealth (I just made my rogue a few days ago)
haughty brook
I was playing stonevault yesterday, and i wasnt silencing the pack with garrote ...
iron wire not talented, i guess
spice surge
It only silences if you have selected the talent that makes it silence (Iron wire)
bold oracle
i was using the search bar for "garrote" and it only showed improved garrote and not iron wire for some reason
wild thorn
different spot
gloomy heart
All the way to the right
bold oracle
i just copied the build from speed, i guess he wasnt playing a dungeon that required a lot of silence????
gloomy heart
Prob not
bold oracle
like which one
wild thorn
sec
bold oracle
i mean what do we gain from not selecting iron wire to make it worth it
coral ibex
5% overall
coral ibex
with sanguine
wild thorn
is ironwire
coral ibex
you'd drop sanguine imo
wild thorn
playing without bone spikes feels weird
spice surge
Theres dozens of combinations of talents you can pick that are all valid and good
Try em out and see what you like the most
snow kindle
Is that how it works? I don’t think so 😭
wild thorn
i dont think ive specced it once
coral ibex
i dont think ive specced it once
it sims highest for me in ST
gloomy heart
just turned 23 gg grey hairs inc
snow kindle
I feel like if that was true the talent would be mandatory
coral ibex
coral ibex
I feel like if that was true the talent would be mandatory
what do you mean "if that was true"
do you understand how the talents work?
coral ibex
go build to 7cp and press shiv with forced induction
tell me how long your envenom buff is
then compare to 7cp
wild thorn
its not if.. its when
dapper cradle
strange python
How much does the ilvl increases each szn
wild thorn
2-300
gloomy heart
I’ll be fine….
west crown
stress comes for us all, even without the genes
gloomy heart
True
dapper cradle
fast forward 15 years
gloomy heart
i was put on this earth to play wow
dapper cradle
you're buying a flight to istanbul
so some hack turkish doctor can fuck your scalp
tawny geyser
So many months has passed...I can finally rest in peace.
gloomy heart
Question if i joined a lfg group and did 2/8M can i make a group in my own lockout? or am i fucked
ripe carbon
So many months has passed...I can finally rest in peace.
gz i got spyglass (which i hadnt seen drop in 25+ runs)
coral ibex
Question if i joined a lfg group and did 2/8M can i make a group in my own lock...
you can take your 2/8M lockout and see if anyone wants to skip ulgrax and blood
lucid orchid
Could anyone help in which you think would be best for me to choose? I simmed dungeon slice 6 and neck come out on top to replace my hero trail spinner with 0.4% increase dps, 0.3% for tier head and 0.2% for spyglass to replace sacbrood hero 4/6.
I’m pretty much just running M+ contemplating the head for extra stam. Would this be the right choice?
ripe carbon
id go spyglass but i raid so i have more chance of getting head from a boss
gloomy heart
Take neck
snow kindle
if you only run m+ take the trinket
tawny geyser
You don't play raids at all?
You should aim for the Sureki's neck and take Spyglass, but if you only run M+ then neck yeah.
runic hinge
Fucking socket would probably be .4 lmao
lucid orchid
I’d like to raid maybe next season, just hard to commit to raids / guild for me
Usually just hop on with friends and smash m+
blazing pumice
idk what game you are playing tony but most upgrades are only <1%
tawny geyser
Yeah go neck then, pop 2 sockets on it and you're good to go.
blazing pumice
at this point in the patch
snow kindle
yall really think taking the neck is better no sim related?
ig a 626 crystal is still p good
blazing pumice
the neck is going to be bis for him
lucid orchid
I’ve got 639 crystall
blazing pumice
and harder to replace
lucid orchid
And then sac brood
snow kindle
a neck harder to replace than a trinket?
lucid orchid
Ran about a million grim batol no skardyns
blazing pumice
there's only one crit mastery neck in the m+ pool
there's 3 viable passive trinkets
lucid orchid
This is a good point
blazing pumice
but it's only minor upgrade from crafted so idk
runic hinge
idk what game you are playing tony but most upgrades are only <1%
Yeah that’s my point
misty bough
before^
new ring sim think is better; Idk, maybe at 639 perhaps?
(New ring under)
losing roughly 10% mastery for 3% crit and 3% haste feels like trolling
snow kindle
Sim say sim do
misty bough
perhaps on a 5min patchwerk but questionable in a m+
misty bough
yea its just gcd for getting more dots out before stealth window leaves
snow kindle
Makes sense if Deathstalker
misty bough
do people even play ass trickster
runic hinge
It’s fatebound and no
snow kindle
Occasionally for fun
misty bough
It’s fatebound and no
close enough
spice surge
yea its just gcd for getting more dots out before stealth window leaves
Haste doesnt affect the gcd for energy specs
And also you typically arent applying bleeds throughout the entire ic window anyway, you just apply your 5 ruptures for scent, build some CP with garrote and go into spatter mode
misty bough
Haste doesnt affect the gcd for energy specs
oh really? I had no clue about that
coral ibex
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
gloomy heart
Do any top rogues ever stream raid? That aren’t sub only
I wanna fix my parses and actually get better at rogue
🙂
subtle tundra
i dont want to stream my blue parses
prime forum
I dont know what to do guys, mythic hands or spyglass (got sacbrood and grace in mythic)
misty bough
casualaddict have streamed some raids afaik
misty bough
I dont know what to do guys, mythic hands or spyglass (got sacbrood and grace in...
spyglass 100%
jovial idol
When I do 3 vault slots I get shit, whe nI do 1 I get this
gloomy heart
GG
gloomy heart
tell me the tech
subtle tundra
google twitch bypass subscription vod
prime forum
spyglass 100%
you absolutely sure mate? feels like no one is playing this trinket
