assassination

[snow kindle]

how

[novel star]

oh nvm you mean p3 circle prob

i assumed

venom nova

and terrorist in that case cus the extra stack

[snow kindle]

oh yea if youre doing that youre weird

[fringe crater]

Maybe they mean the circle around her after p1 when she's in intermission

[novel star]

[snow kindle]

you cna do that too

[runic hinge]

yesterday (on heroic) I stepped the pull so clean my character didn't even move

[rich drift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vast loom]

if we cloak wrest in intermission do we drop a puddle still?

[snow kindle]

yes

[vast loom]

kk

pray we see p3 tonight 🙂

[coral ibex]

GL

[vast loom]

im still not sure if i like sub or sin better here

i hate parry so sub is nice for that LOL

[molten harness]

is there a working version of this?

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankMisdirect leftbutton 1

[snow kindle]

if you like both play whatever your team needs

[cobalt sphinx]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[vast loom]

im still not sure what we need yet lol

we were still lusting intermission on thursday but we might be moving it to p2

[snow kindle]

id just stick with sin

[vast loom]

think were looking to do pull lust for kill eventually but were trying to prog still

boss doesnt seem too bad so far tbh

[snow kindle]

p1 hardest phase

p3 is a meme

[vast loom]

web blades are legit giga nerfed

[snow kindle]

as melee atleast

yea web blade nerf was insane

basically made them not a mechanic besides the third overlap

[vast loom]

yeah im 3rd melee pop so sometimes its kinda annoying

[snow kindle]

is your guild not baiting web blades then moving

[vast loom]

we are, but its not always clean and sometimes the lines "start" in a awkward spot compared to the drop

but its suually just skill issue moments lol

[stone hawk]

Is there an minimal amount of Haste we need or it doesnt rly matter?

[snow kindle]

no matter good gear good

[vast loom]

nope just sim your gear to see whats best

[stone hawk]

kk ty. i`ve been energy starved a lot during bosses in m+. Trying to figure it out

[snow kindle]

thats just how it is

thats why its rly nice when ppl pull shit onto boss

so you can rup/garr and have infinity eneergy

[novel star]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[stone hawk]

that makes sense, i am not rly playing around envenom uptime

thx for the infos

[arctic socket]

Good luck on your mythic+s

[warm vortex]

@subtle tundra

tried it

was ok

the tank was fucked

Id need to do it on at least a 12 to get a good feel

th9ings die to fast on 10s
The usual

[lethal arrow]

looks fine

[warm vortex]

Highest streak was only a 12 >:(

I think i could have gotten a 14 at some point

if i held Cold blood

But i risked it trying to get a 15 and rolled other side D:

[hard wolf]

Anyone here that could recommend a good video guide for a new assa rogue focused on m+?

[novel star]

Whispyr has a great one but it’s long

https://youtu.be/N_if0HnJ1gE

from 2 months ago so ignore parts about talents and bugs

the rotation stuff still applies

good video

[lyric hill]

heya, two quick qs, numbing vs atrophic and which poisons should i be using (m+)? just doing low keys rn

[novel star]

numbing prolly

for easier kicks with pug bozos

[vast loom]

low keys it doesnt really matter

[lyric hill]

good point

oh sure evil but i just want to get into the habit and understand the rationale

[novel star]

atro is very small and will not be the deciding factor in anything until really high keys and even then it depends

but yea

[vast loom]

yeah, makes sense raid i go atro and keys numbing

[keen spruce]

numbing basically always better

in keys

[lyric hill]

that makes a lot of sense

[keen spruce]

you get SO much value at all times

from tank safety

[novel star]

numbing for kicks and tank surviving is just more consistent

[keen spruce]

to easier kicks

[novel star]

yeah

[lyric hill]

to leeway for kicks true

[keen spruce]

you only take atro if you absolutely have to

to live slams or what not

which 99.99% of people will not ever encounter

[lyric hill]

yeah i get you

so deadly/amp/instant/numbing?

[keen spruce]

deadly amp crip

numb

can't have 3 dps poisons

[humble verge]

jesus, no wonder i have used adblock for the past 8 years

[lyric hill]

sorry yes i misspoke, gotcha

[tall flint]

Hey everyone! I just rerolled rogue in war within, how is everyone doing?

[keen spruce]

swell

[quartz spear]

Eh I don't use crip in m+

[humble verge]

i hate my life

[lyric hill]

mine is only a 606 alt atm but im loving it, so many nice defensive tools

[lyric hill]

what to use instead? there's no other option is there? under nonlethal

[quartz spear]

Just use 3 lol

[keen spruce]

there's no other option

[humble verge]

maybe i should make a new rogue to try outlaw

[lyric hill]

i really like outlaw too

played outlaw only in df

i really liked how steady the damage output was

[proven jasper]

No more sanguine to troll with crippling poison

[tall flint]

Does anyone have any good addons for maintaining ruptures on enemies in AOE? I can't possibly keep track of all those timers at once lol

[novel star]

some people just run 3 poisons because they don’t want to slow the mobs down for grouping or something but it’s strange and kinda cope

and you lose damage on lethal dose

so it’s cringe

[keen spruce]

you shouldn't do that

[lyric hill]

ty all

[proven jasper]

yeah you only ever did that during sanguine week and that no longer exists

[novel star]

^

[novel star]

but muh iron wire grouping!!!

[proven jasper]

skill issue

group the mobs cuh

[keen spruce]

i mean if LD didn't exist

there could be some arguments to drop it occasionally

depending on the dungeon

probably not this season

[novel star]

that’s true

but it exists

[lyric hill]

odds are there are other snares in effect anyway

[novel star]

so

[proven jasper]

We stay crippin

[hard wolf]

Thanks!

[keen spruce]

I didn't realize i had a bacon bit

[spice spire]

Sorry blood for life

[keen spruce]

stuck to my face

and i licked my lips

and got a free bacon bit

[lyric hill]

ew

[proven jasper]

🥶

[keen spruce]

I mean i literally just finished my bagel like 45 seconds ago

it's not like a day old bacon bit

[proven jasper]

You had bacon on ur bagel?

[lyric hill]

hahaha

fossilised

[proven jasper]

What kinda bagel

[lyric hill]

i had to google what they are theyre soy apparently lel

[keen spruce]

it was just half of an asiago bagel

with garlic herb cream cheese

some sliced onion

feta

bacon bits

[cobalt sphinx]

crippling can be annoying sometimes

you can just click it off for pulls that the slow will hurt you though

[keen spruce]

I really can't think of anywhere

[cobalt sphinx]

and then put it back on if you care

[keen spruce]

where that's the case rn

except maybe that one spider before 3rd mini boss in ara

[cobalt sphinx]

there are a few doubles and triples in stonevault that it can be annoying

everyone has different strats

maybe amarth

[keen spruce]

i think IW last slong enough taht the mages get gathered either way

like if LD didn't exist sure, drop it whenever

but i don't think there's a compelling reason atm

[teal lark]

guys for m+ when do you take ttk over sudden demise? and is without a trace worth it? im doing +11 to +13 keys and can't decide what talents to pick

[keen spruce]

it doesn't rly matter

at 13's you might like TTK for a little more ST

without a trace is actually quite handy

once you get to key levels where you need to reapply poisons

[teal lark]

but is losing Lethality worth it?

[keen spruce]

i think so

having an emergency IW

is quite nice

[teal lark]

i see

i will test it

[keen spruce]

and with 2x subterfuge you can really maintain a lot of damage in large pulls

by getting refreshes on a lot of bleeds

but it's more of a preference hting

thing

it's not like categorically better

all of the builds functions roughly the same way

and do basically the same thing

you're trading a little utility here for damage there

or a little ST for AoE

or visa versa

within a couple of % either way

[novel star]

i want to raid so bad this trial has to start sooner

[arctic socket]

Go to lfg

[hollow gazelle]

no. i believe more vanishes is categorically better when pugging. tanks dont even know when they should use drs let alone to allow a restealth

[spice spire]

No u

[arctic socket]

I tried

It doesn’t work out

[spice spire]

Why not

Also deadass thought you meant lfr

[arctic socket]

The looking for guild thingy they have

It doesn’t work out well

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

Raider io, discord for NA, even wlogs LFG are all great

Guilds still use wowprog for some reason

In game LFG is rough

[spice spire]

When does ur trial start big dog

[novel star]

nop

[novel star]

Idk few weeks i think

[mystic quiver]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

Trial this

[novel star]

they got ce 2? weeks ago and recruiter guy said they were taking a month off for holidayge

[spice spire]

I might

[novel star]

so holiday break really could mean a number of things

but

[spice spire]

[novel star]

eventually.

[novel star]

why die

[spice spire]

Few weeks of twiddling thumbs

[novel star]

oh like the in game shit? hell nah

[spice spire]

Damn

[novel star]

made 300k this week with my lockout by doing ovinax for an hour

could be worse

but yeah little aids

3% kyveza into no guild for a month straight

insane edge

prog gooning rn

[spice spire]

Well it’s November

So you should be edging

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/whiplash-edging-gooning-were-you-edging-or-were-you-gooning-gif-3135694653749179992

[novel star]

True but it’s continuing into december i think…

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Into the equally sacred destroy dick December? Miss me w that

[novel star]

i got other offers but the long wait one is the highest rank one…

fuck my little hole man

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-sleepy-tired-gif-22815403

[novel star]

Deadass

destroy dansurek december

[spice spire]

God would tho

[novel star]

same

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/jiminoreo-gif-4884042028109983039

[novel star]

rashanan i would faster tbh

she can get it

[spice spire]

Me when ansurek on screen

[novel star]

holy fuck

[spice spire]

Nah

Ansurek got the unholy GYAT

[arctic socket]

Yeah that

[novel star]

web me mommy..

[torn dome]

anyone know of some spatter bug with rasha'nan?

[novel star]

i did that when i was a brand new player in bfa to get a guild for hc nyalotha

bad vibe

[novel star]

No bug, but the range is based on the center of the mob

[spice spire]

I have a response here that is not appropriate for this channel

[novel star]

so the adds have to be dropped close to the edge

[torn dome]

seems rlt small

[novel star]

or they don’t be in range

[proven jasper]

Yeah rash’s hitbox is cursed

[novel star]

more like rashanan is just really big

i said center of mob,

meaning if the mob has a giant hitbox/auto attack range

that doesn’t matter

your spatter is still the same static size inside of it

your guild has to drop the adds real close to the edge

or spatter just gets ranged

[arctic socket]

Response to it

Wheee

I don’t see no dms

[spice spire]

No bitches ig

[keen spruce]

restealths aren't really important anyways. I don't think I played WoT until I was doing 15s and that wasn't really out of necessity. it was just a "try it out and kinda liked it" kind of angle

[spice spire]

Hold

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/098767890985674635-no-bananas-gorilla-tag-megamind-meme-gif-25207373

[spice spire]

Damn

I laughed at that one ngl

[torn dome]

ok makes sense, ty

[runic hinge]

increase spatter range to 30 yards

[keen spruce]

[torn dome]

xD idd

[keen spruce]

surely it won't spatter things out of combat rite

rite

[novel star]

ew

[torn dome]

is it different on heroic?

[novel star]

it would

[torn dome]

seems to do way more dmg on hc vs myth

[novel star]

nope

[keen spruce]

I'd only run spatter on Ovinax and Court

tbh

[novel star]

adds prolly just coincidentally being dropped better

on hc

[keen spruce]

adds also die in about 1 global on heroic tho

[novel star]

i mean yeah when ur in a good enough group this is just correct lol

[keen spruce]

so spatter ain't gonna do anything

[novel star]

even on like horror

you legit just use the adds to get faster envenoms out

[keen spruce]

I don't even tab to the adds on horror

[novel star]

for like 5 seconds

yep

[keen spruce]

heroic or mythic

[merry pagoda]

which poisons do you use in mythic plus, because i can use 4 and dont know which 😄

[runic hinge]

!poisons

[keen spruce]

amp deadly cripl numbing

[novel star]

in mythic it feels a bit troll to not spatter horror but i also havent played in a good guild + the stacked up buff

[runic hinge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[merry pagoda]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[runic hinge]

yes, very good

[arctic socket]

Just had to educate quake about astolfo

Bro thought he was a she

[spice spire]

Sorry for not being a weeb

[arctic socket]

Bro got them sus pictures of him

Got something to tell the class

[spice spire]

I’m literally a clown

[arctic socket]

Type shit

[spice spire]

What do you mean

Nah

[novel star]

Quake prolly hitting anyway

that's my goat

[arctic socket]

You wouldn’t?

Felix could get it to

[novel star]

dont put words in my mouth

[spice spire]

Bro this line is vile work ngl homie

Ty tho

[novel star]

whats wrong with that

[arctic socket]

What about other things

[novel star]

when? where?

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dance-dancer-girl-anime-girl-gif-26428864

new anime channel inc

[spice spire]

Nothing wrong with that at all homie

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-happy-easter-gif-25371743

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/very-soon-gif-26337169

[hearty coral]

Since i have no more friends and i know my rogue ppl will understand. What i should do? I never played ally before and all my friends went to ally on classic.. I should go ally too? Or keep playing tww and forget about it? Thanks

[pliant remnant]

So do you have no more friends, or do you have friends who went ally on classic?

[marsh raven]

Sus'

[novel star]

i have never and will never give a fuck about factions in this videogame

[spice spire]

Play with friends

Friends make game fun

[novel star]

^

it aint real life brotha

go blue guys if your real human friends are blue guys

and be happy

[normal mist]

Horde or alliance... it doesnt matter brother. What matters are the memories we create with the friends we have

[spice spire]

And the asses we eat along the way

[marsh raven]

I'm starring at Ovinax right now... thanks for that association xD

[normal mist]

Those are the most important ones

[spice spire]

[fresh kelp]

Ally is cooler in classic anyway

[spice spire]

That’s definitely an ass that eats you

[lethal turtle]

Crawl inside it

[marsh raven]

Yeah, by the maw, painfully. Progress night pleasures ✨

[wispy apex]

Anyone using the JNTR deathstalker Wa and it bugs out quite often?

[snow kindle]

yea

it does bug often for me

[stray adder]

NSFW channel

[novel star]

Yea

[cinder birch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[cinder birch]

how do i see other usefull commands? the ! ones

[spice spire]

Uh you kinda don’t

Gotta know them

What questions do you have?

[cinder birch]

just curious, just wondering if im missing anything else thats usefull

[shell hazel]

What do you need ?

PVP PVE?

[cinder birch]

pve

[shell hazel]

#showtooltip Stealth
/cast !Stealth
/stopattack

#showtooltip
/stopattack
/stopcasting
/cast vanish

[cinder birch]

dont think ive ever had issues with breaking stealth in mythics, unless i fail to notice a dot on me 😦

[quartz spear]

Is everyone else getting their stealth knocked in Mists?

[cinder birch]

what part

[quartz spear]

When you go into a new room

[cinder birch]

no

[quartz spear]

It's during the animation when mobs "spawn"

The big white/blue swoosh

[bronze marsh]

def had that happen

[spice spire]

Yes

Don’t rush ahead

[quartz spear]

It's p consistent. I just stay back now

[spice spire]

Hang back

It’s been a bug all season

They fixed in sl

[quartz spear]

👍

[desert pasture]

pretty sure it was never properly fixed in slands

still happened randomly

[shell hazel]

@cinder birch Enjoy this then Single target one button for you LMAO Remember press your
Press when this when Deathmark shows up on the macro

#showtooltip
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13

One button:

/castsequence reset=10 Ambush, Garrote, Rupture, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Deathmark, Shiv, Kingsbane, Mutilate, Envenom, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom

If u want it on Aoe just swap the mutilate with Fans

[subtle tundra]

💀

wtf

💀

[spice spire]

The fuck did I just read

[little tulip]

macro money

[blazing totem]

and then you die, your macro resets and you can go unalive yourself

[shell hazel]

after this just continue the borning 3 buttons 🙂

keep up the dots

[mystic quiver]

!TotT

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[little tulip]

what happens if you i dunno feint or cloak of shadows mid macro though

or like throw a blind out

[shell hazel]

Well it is for logic only haha

[spice surge]

Or if you crit with mutilates 💀

/dont crit

[shell hazel]

Then use this
/castsequence reset=10 Ambush, Garrote, Rupture, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Deathmark, Shiv, Kingsbane, Mutilate, Envenom

part

[gritty cypress]

On the WoWHead Talent Builds page, it describes taking Crimson Tempest for a Council fight build, but the calculator build linked doesn't include it. Which one is the old information?

[shell hazel]

#showtooltip
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/castsequence reset=10 Ambush, Garrote, Rupture, Mutilate, Mutilate, Envenom, Deathmark, Shiv, Kingsbane, Mutilate, Envenom

[little tulip]

boo

hiss

[cinder birch]

ty

[shell hazel]

Works right @cinder birch

Enjoy brother haha

[subtle tundra]

i think this counts as terrorism

🤨

[shell hazel]

LMAO

[spice surge]

Id HIGHLY advice against using a cast seqeunce macro

Like massively

[little tulip]

yea there's not that many fights that don't let you hit opener

lmao

also that open doesn't accoutn for c lear the witnesses

there's no way that's optimal

[cold raptor]

for long ST fights, what's the energy levels i should be watching out for while waiting for kingsbane/deathmark to come back up

[shell hazel]

Tea it

[little tulip]

yeah if you have a tea going into cd's

[subtle tundra]

🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨

[cold raptor]

i mean should i never use envenom below a certain amount of energy or soemthing like that

i'm coming from outlaw where you only run out if you fuck up and this playstyle is v different lol

[little tulip]

yeah it sucks having ur 2 min cd's and no energy to spend them

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[cold raptor]

basically don't auto trigger tea?

[runic hinge]

Auto trigger tea is whatever

Also dm doubles your bleeds so you’ll have plenty of energy

[little tulip]

but also if you're not spamming kb procs it should quote unquote never happen

[shell hazel]

Usually use tea with shiv

[teal patrol]

Hey guys I just had one question when do you use indiscriminate carnage in m+ and when do you use twist the knife?

[little tulip]

unless it's burning like skarmorak's shield etc

[cold raptor]

cool ty

[little tulip]

or like nuking deadly adds on ara kara 1st

then yes say bye to teas and pool better

[shell hazel]

M+ this is the only important thing

And you are a bot

[subtle tundra]

🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨 🤨

[coral ibex]

there's not much to gain from not triggering auto tea

[cold raptor]

CS is so nutty

[subtle tundra]

dont look at crimson tempest dmg

[coral ibex]

its a minor loss

[stray adder]

make sure to not run IW in M+

[subtle tundra]

yea

dps loss

cant be happening

[cold raptor]

why

[subtle tundra]

blame the healer

[cold raptor]

my group loves iw

[little tulip]

iron wire is great

[stray adder]

but what about your damage bro

[quartz spear]

They are joking

[cold raptor]

lmao i'm new i didn't know 😩

[little tulip]

nu uh

[shell hazel]

611ilvl

[little tulip]

mid season vibing is great lol

[cold raptor]

does your damage improve at higher m+? i'm finding the lower keys eveyrthing dies too fast

[stray adder]

of course

a ret paly in low keys will destroy your overall

[shell hazel]

it doesn't matter cuz u get more buffs if things die faster

just don't swap target much

[subtle tundra]

what man

[floral reef]

so is the only way i do damage on queen p2 if other people dont do damage

[subtle tundra]

what buffs

[burnt dome]

wdym lol it matters

[shell hazel]

Read your Class talents

one by one

[burnt dome]

any dpsers in your group that knows how to press half his buttons will take away from your dps in low keys

[subtle tundra]

read my nuts

i typed that midpull

lets go

[dapper cradle]

which of the dungeons can you safely drop IW

siege, mists, cot?

[cold raptor]

how do you deal with tanks that chainpull groups leaving the last guy with like 8% health so you can't keep stealthing

just suck until vanish is up?

[quartz spear]

Just vanish that thang

[dapper cradle]

if you know it's about to happen, just start running into the new pack and foking + spreading ruptures

unless there's a way to kill that mob before you get into combat with the new pack

[burnt dome]

depends on timing, kill the last one fast so you can get a restealth (even when your tank is already in combat with next pack), take the mark with you to next pack or vanish

[dapper cradle]

sometimes, you can cheese a restealth

[shell hazel]

[Shadowmeld] problem solver for packs

play this

if u have brain dead tank

[cold raptor]

i play kul tiran rogue and will never change

[floral reef]

any gamers for this question

[quartz spear]

HAYMAKERRR

[snow kindle]

what really is there to say thats the case for anything really

[stray adder]

KT rogue is demonic

[snow kindle]

hitting adds is always about stealing dmg

[floral reef]

i mean, more like

[floral reef]

am i missing something

[stray adder]

wtf is this paint montage

[floral reef]

shield guy dies like 6 sec into my cds

[teal patrol]

Hey guys I just had one question when do you use sudden demise vs twist the knife?

[snow kindle]

hit the guardian instead then

[dapper cradle]

i mean, strategem is kind oflocked in

[floral reef]

i guess

[shell hazel]

Yea

[floral reef]

kinda wanted the execute damage :p

[stray adder]

the name is funny though

[subtle tundra]

not kind of
its fully locked in

[snow kindle]

if your dps are good and doing dmg just focus guardian

[stray adder]

it matches how dumb it looks

[cold raptor]

it's the ideal male body

[stray adder]

cope

[floral reef]

dont think guardian will live my ma window even

wtb less damage

[snow kindle]

it will

[coarse summit]

pressed evasion on last boss siege, and it had no effect for some reason. do you know why?

with elusiveness + bait and switch

[subtle tundra]

yep

[cobalt sphinx]

Take the rez

Good fight

[cold raptor]

get 134k more health

[coarse summit]

evasion should work tho, no?

its as if i didnt get the dr at all

[subtle tundra]

have to use before the casts

[coarse summit]

ah i cant do midair

[burnt dome]

irrelevant with bait and switch

[subtle tundra]

nope

[coarse summit]

ok ty

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah for some reason, damage reduction doesn’t work when the projectile is already in the air

Which is absolutely ridiculous

[nova python]

quick question, can we shadowstep queen during intermission?

[snow kindle]

yes

[nova python]

or we need to shadowstep someone else?

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah in phase 1.5 or whatever it’s safe

[snow kindle]

stepping to someone is better

[coarse summit]

feel like fainting while its midair has worked tho

[subtle tundra]

nah

[coarse summit]

maybe im delusional

ig so

[burnt dome]

dunno, feels like feint works for me too cus im definitely not big brain enough to press it before it goes in the air

[cobalt sphinx]

You’re fainting alright

Gonna end up at the pokecenter

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt work

[coarse summit]

yeah i fainted and hit my head

[burnt dome]

placebo maybe

[subtle tundra]

its noticeable af

[burnt dome]

[subtle tundra]

when feint works

[floral reef]

guardian dies early too, so its gonna be scuffed either way then

i deal

ty anyway

[coarse summit]

classic placebo gaming

ty for clarifying tho!

[snow kindle]

i cannot imagine your guardian dying before KB unless you have like 2 warriors 2 dks and a ret

[floral reef]

:)

[snow kindle]

if thats your comp you just go full ST atp lol

[floral reef]

im a dreamer

do i have to caustic a gloom hatchling to effectively dps them

[subtle tundra]

if you dont play caustic youre trolling

[floral reef]

what

[subtle tundra]

on queen

if you dont play caustic youre trolling

or you mean you have caustic

and want to hit hatchlings

[floral reef]

XD

[subtle tundra]

???

[floral reef]

crazy reading comprehension

[subtle tundra]

yea man

[floral reef]

yes

i want to hit hatchlings

[cobalt sphinx]

are you logging

you can lose a lot of damage iif the logger goes opposite

happened a lot on raszageth too

[hasty spade]

Sanguine blades vs Sudden Demise?

[floral reef]

we're still progging p3 so its not about getting a log

i'll figure it out

thanks guys

[runic hinge]

One does 10% more bleed always and has some value if mobs die with bleeds still on them. One does more damage when you’re energy saturated which is only in aoe as on bosses you’ll be low in energy

But sanguine can still do decent work

[short flint]

was MA stealth nerfed to 20%?

[blazing totem]

stealth nerfed? been at 20% for quite a while

for like a month

[short flint]

oh right, stealth for my slow brain haha

i thought it was 30% down to 25 in the patch

[pliant remnant]

it's all joever MA bros

[subtle tundra]

it was, then it was nerfed again

[nimble vector]

You don't do damage in p2 as assa is the answer to your questions, don't worry about it

[novel star]

learn subtlety from scratch exclusively for queen ansurek

[spice spire]

You would recommend subbing big dog

You’re never gonna beat the allegations

[subtle tundra]

thank god assa is better

[novel star]

[novel star]

cmon man

[spice spire]

[worldly sail]

can't wait for the xalatath raid fight where the whole raid turns into subs

[stray adder]

by sub you mean submissive?

ya feeeel me

[worldly sail]

no i mean subway sandwiches

[stray adder]

footlongs

[half fjord]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[icy peak]

guys, does anyone has a special strategy to maximize meld -> stealth ?

[uneven plume]

walk back, turn around and stealth

its rng tho

[icy peak]

yeah I figured

[novel star]

i hope tthey make her really big l;ike as big as ragnaros maybe . And theres sswirlies that are the sweat dripping off of her chin or off her fingers tricklign from her arm pits haha that would be funny

[worldly sail]

hehe would be very funny

[stray adder]

best way to maximize meld is to go dwarf

[daring mica]

(cataclysm) sorry if this has been asked before, is it possible to cloak of shadows alysrazor firestorm or not ? my guild claims it works but i take damage through cloak. is there a secret tech im missing ? (with feint up ofcourse.)

[cursive marsh]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell hazel]

Sub is still good now …

[stray adder]

S*b

[cyan karma]

Turning around helps? Good to know

[runic hinge]

This is not the greatest place for cata discussion. I think #classic-discussion has some servers pinned

[spice spire]

Dog I’m gonna need you to fail November after this one

[novel star]

wha t if the odds and evens mechanic was she split the raid into twooo groups by stomping her big giant feet on the ground and sp,litting the earth .

[shy creek]

given what he said

its been a while since he failed

[turbid mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lethal arrow]

[novel star]

if u dont split u like are too heavy or something and it cracks more and u DIE and u DIE

https://tenor.com/view/jadeyanh-vylerria-twitch-gif-smoking-hot-gif-24370400

you wouldnt get it

[spice spire]

Y’know

Didn’t think I’d get left speechless while shit posting

But here we are

[lusty steeple]

Just noticed the !tea macro response - is it standard to macro tea with shiv?

[novel star]

its fine now yea

[empty tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[humble verge]

man

i die to NW mob spew

cause i wasnt topped with feint

smh

wonder if i should just gamble

with PUGs

[worldly sail]

ok we need oget you in the raid design team ASAP

[novel star]

U know that guy in fire lands

the golem boss

🤤

[humble verge]

ok but like

what was that splash art

tho

of xalatath

[late tusk]

HellO! How you handle resources on single target bosses (mythics)

[cobalt sphinx]

just sit around waiting

[runic hinge]

Play for envenom up time

[late tusk]

I try to Rupture adds, to get back energy, but i feel taht i spend too much energy out of cds

But if i play for envenom uptime i burn energy

Should i wait till rupture time ends?

[novel star]

Rupture sniping isn't worth it unless the add lives for ~7 seconds before dying

or like 14 or something with dashing scoundrel talented

you kinda just run out of energy and its how the spec works and you deal with it

[lethal turtle]

I did a 16 pug mists one time and never again. Idk how they had 15s

[novel star]

Not sure what you mean by this

[late tusk]

Ye ofc, but im doing less than 1m dmg on boss fights

[runic hinge]

Yeah I mean that’s assa

[novel star]

our m+ single target is just bad

[runic hinge]

We don’t do big damage in mythic plus spec

[novel star]

you are probably doing things wrong but its still just bad when you dont do things wrong anyway

too many st sacrifices to get the m+ talents

[late tusk]

If the duration is 20s wait 20s then rupture, or wait 19 and then ruptuire

[novel star]

there is no difference

[runic hinge]

Sim yourself Patchwerk no buffs in m+ spec and see what you do for damage

[worldly sail]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[worldly sail]

you dont have to wait for rupture to fall off

[novel star]

you can hit rupture any time in the last like 6-7 seconds of the previous rupture

and it makes 0 dps difference

[late tusk]

I mean, to handle energy

[novel star]

yeah that wont change your e nergy either

[late tusk]

Well if you lose 7s on rupture

you are wasting energy

[novel star]

you dont lose 7 seconds

pandemic doesn't add duration

it just stops you from losing duration

you dont get a 7sec longer rupture when you pandemic

because the 7 seconds came from the previous rupture anyway

[humble verge]

nah but like, both my premades are offline

all of em

: (

[novel star]

it makes no difference

[late tusk]

I mean, if Rupture is up for 20s and i re-apply when its still 7s it means every 3 rupture im losing 1

[humble verge]

honestly if i keep failing it

its fine idk

just wanna try a 16

[novel star]

no it doesn't

[late tusk]

im losing 7+7+7s -> 21s of rupture

[novel star]

you need to learn how pandemic works

[worldly sail]

read the bot command

[novel star]

read the command

[worldly sail]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[novel star]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[cobalt sphinx]

you can refresh witih 30% of the original duration remaining and it will be added onto the new duration

[novel star]

in classic you would be correct

[late tusk]

ah

[novel star]

but thats not how it works anymore

[late tusk]

pandemic

okey

[swift scarab]

Hello guys, fresh rogue player here and i love the spec (compared to warlock). was just curious is there any proper cheat sheet when it comes to cloak of shadows? I learned today that you can use it on the acid from last boss in dawn for example (had no clue about that) but something that one can read and digest and try to learn and keep in back of the head :D?

[worldly sail]

so in other words, if you feel you are starving for energy in m+ bosses. UNLUCKY thats just how sin is

[late tusk]

okey, so its about wait and play arround envenom

[late tusk]

Ye, know that, but its not the same starving on min 1 than on min 2

Im arround 632 ilvl now, there is time to min.max the calss

[lethal turtle]

fuck it go chill watch MNF

[humble verge]

MNF?

[lethal turtle]

oh you a eu boy

monday night football

[humble verge]

zzz

zzzzzzzz

wait

maybe my dad is watching

whos playing

[novel star]

pretty much all you can do yea

[worldly sail]

but this is basically it yeah, envenom pandemics too so you can hit it when the old one has like 1 second left, until you go completely dry, then you wait a bit for more energy

[novel star]

refresh envenom when the buff is in pandemic

[lethal turtle]

baltimore chargers

[worldly sail]

hooly this guy shares the brain cell with me

[lethal turtle]

should be decent

[novel star]

[humble verge]

pausechamp lamar

[late tusk]

THink i dont get this

[lethal turtle]

Josh Allen for MVP

[worldly sail]

i dont think anyone made one for this season, its a big task to do

[humble verge]

🤨

[novel star]

the buff from envenom

wait until its at like ~1s left

before you hit another one

unless youre overcapping energy

[swift scarab]

Yeah i figured as much, my google fu is not helping much either. But also if there was like any obvious or "these are super good to know" ones

[novel star]

or in cooldowns

[late tusk]

ah

sure, it try

[novel star]

doesnt make an omega big difference to damage i think but it helps energy feel better

[runic hinge]

You can evasion the spit from first boss NW or you can use first second of cloak super immunity

[novel star]

spit 🤤

[runic hinge]

you need Jesus today

[novel star]

yeag

my bad

just never heard anyone call that spell a spit

[cobalt sphinx]

it's funny rotspew's is just a spell but blightbone's is an attack

[novel star]

[cobalt sphinx]

thanks ion

[novel star]

game is shit

[runic hinge]

Should I call it a puke?

[novel star]

a vom

[dense badger]

does this look right? I feel like I'm pressing the right things but just wanna check as i've been playing the class a couple weeks so still newish. Was doing 2.1m overall until last room because of some mage orb pulls and I had no stealth so missed out on a bit 😄 Dung is SV12, 630 ilvl

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah looks fine

[dense badger]

1.9 overall is good or considered meh?

[cobalt sphinx]

seems about right

[dense badger]

thank you!

[dense talon]

How is twist the knife beneficial? What does envenom overlaps twice mean? I m playing it but I have no clue what it does

[spice surge]

It means you get the buff twice

so 30%+30% envenom application

twice the benefit of rapid injection, twice the benefit of dashing scoundrel

[midnight spire]

Hello.
did they nerf the range of Caustic Spatter on BloodBound horror boss?

[cobalt sphinx]

it never worked on the boss

but you can spatter off adds onto the boss

or just ignore them and sit boss

[balmy condor]

Caustic range is huge but it ain’t 60 yards yeh

[midnight spire]

aight

it felt weird hitting boss from near center of platform, but Spatter won't hit the adds next to you

[balmy condor]

Well spatter calculates from the center of your target

Not from you

And the center of bloodbound is insano far away

[slow marsh]

so am i

[coarse summit]

what are you insano far away from?

[balmy condor]

Happiness

[runic hinge]

Sanity

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

@novel star

[worldly sail]

i only hope they will make caustic spatter work properly with the xalatath gigantic feet encounter

[spice spire]

That’s classic Oliver if I’ve ever seen it

[balmy condor]

who let peta cook

[lethal arrow]

hang on lets hear them out

[slow marsh]

What about the people who eat ham

[spice spire]

I’m gonna be porking them

Ya feel me

[slow marsh]

W

[spice spire]

See you in Boise Thursday pal

[novel star]

Nnhhhhh fuckkkk >~<

cranbussy

[novel star]

do you agree @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

haha yeh

[spice spire]

I’m ngl olii been on one this day

[novel star]

lol i wouldn’t be able to focus i’d be laughing too much

[spice spire]

But they’ve spit some bars

[novel star]

😁

[limber lion]

Love me some stuffing

(I've never had it)

[brittle cloud]

Heyo, anyone mind sharing optimal mark targets and swap points for Mythic silken court (blue team)? Is is best to pop burst before beetle runs away such that KB expires during dmg amp? Or just burst when he comes back?

[novel star]

it’s kinda just wet bread honestly

with vegetables and spices and stuff to make it real tasty

[coral ibex]

thats the worst way to describe tuffing

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you aren't missing out on anything

[coral ibex]

ok thats better

[novel star]

am i wrong

it’s like

sticky wet bread

[cobalt sphinx]

thanksgiving food in general sucks for the most part

[limber lion]

Good to hear

I'll stick to my Karjalanpiirakka

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah let me get some karjalanpiirakka

[novel star]

there’s really good stuffing but it’s not like an impressive food item

good stuffing is just slop with good seasoning in it

it’s still slop

[cobalt sphinx]

the solid can-shaped cranberry sauce is good though

this is a staple dish

[narrow basalt]

been away from wow and sin rogue for over a month now, is the rotation still the same? I am scared to hop into m+ again xD

[cobalt sphinx]

yes

[limber lion]

sure

[spice spire]

Ur real for that mikedawg

[runic hinge]

Yum

[cobalt sphinx]

i came to america when i was 7 and these americans love to celebrate the extermination of the indigenous by eating the driest meat on the planet drowned in brown salty shit

[spice spire]

Wait where did you come from

But also that’s so real

Gravy is ass

Turkey is ass 99% of the time

[worldly sail]

the karjalanpiirakka in question

[balmy condor]

but it's LEAN bro

LEAN mean

FAT GRILLIN

[limber lion]

I'm salivating

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m about to give you my fat meat if you sass me again

[balmy condor]

gotta hit the MACROS

[spice spire]

Bro I hit 200g of protein I’m chilling

[cobalt sphinx]

australia mate

[spice spire]

Ahhh good stuff.
Sorry you came here

[humble verge]

wait wtf

[balmy condor]

call me 200g of protein

[humble verge]

is this were pirog is from

[balmy condor]

(I'm a victim)

[spice spire]

I’d never hit you king

Except from the back

[humble verge]

kekw

honestly

this taste really good

its like 14 grams of protein too

[worldly sail]

that has meat in it

[spice surge]

Bro is 13 and has to eat something before soccer practice at 17:00

[humble verge]

whats wrong with meat

[spice spire]

That’s almost 10% of my daily intake

[worldly sail]

nothing, but the traditional finnish one doesnt have meat

[humble verge]

fuck

[worldly sail]

i assume there are a ton of similar pastries in different cultures

Would

[humble verge]

WAIT WHAT

THERES A CHICKEN KEBAB ONE

[upbeat needle]

guys

someone tell me why sin is good and why i should play it over outlaw in keys

[limber lion]

ya'll stealing karjalanpiirakka from us

smh

[upbeat needle]

besides it can silence things

and funnel it think

[limber lion]

because it does more damage and is more fun

[novel star]

does damage

outlaw does less damage by a lot and is less fun (arguably)

[worldly sail]

lower apm actually doing damage in big mob pulls

[upbeat needle]

ok

what elkse

or is that it

[spice surge]

Its not really a lot less

But its less ye

[novel star]

what answer are you looking for here

play the spec you will have fun playing

[spice surge]

If you like outlaw play outlaw

[novel star]

god damn

[spice surge]

If you like assa play assa

[spice spire]

What if you like sub

[novel star]

then play sub

[spice surge]

Guess what

[upbeat needle]

goddamn gang i just wanted an answer

[spice surge]

Play sub

[upbeat needle]

Make Sub Great Again

MSGA

[worldly sail]

be like me, start out as sin this tier, reroll to outlaw, then go back to sin

[novel star]

you got multiple

[spice spire]

I’d never just asking for @novel star since they’re so shy

[novel star]

i am laerning subtlety !

i dont know why

i think im just fucking bored

i have nothing to do until i have a guild to raid with again

[spice spire]

Good for you homie learning is a good thing

[spice surge]

If they just aura buffed sub instead of buffing deathstalker man

[novel star]

yea

really not looking forward to playing ds

if i play sub in the future

[novel star]

[spice surge]

Its not that bad, but current trickster is just peak sub so its unlucky

[novel star]

i dont like that u reapply dsm on accident so much

with the bug

existing

it makes it feel real bad

tilting

[rain mortar]

boooooooooo

imagine... we are missing our DH tonight so no DH buff. Sadge

[humble verge]

oof

[cobalt sphinx]

i think sin has really good funnel too, maybe some of the best in the game

[fathom minnow]

/tea

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[simple vine]

Hey guys - new here. Just wondering what the best route is to get some one on one advice. I’m doing 11s right now and always ending with 1.6-2mill overall in dps, but when it comes to mythic single target raiding, I’m blue parsing.

I know people sometimes say don’t worry about the parses, because they’re filled with people who intentionally inflate, but I did 1.2mill overall on mythic Rasha’nan and had a grey parse (628ilvl).

I don’t know what I’m doing wrong and would love to be pointed in the right direction? To save time - I’ve watched I think every assassination video on YouTube that exists, and have looked at the wowhead guide.

[timber hare]

how do people get their envenom to do like 10+M?

[simple vine]

The most I’ve ever personally seen on my screen is I believe 2.4 or 2.5mill. 10+ seems unreal.

[timber hare]

i was watching a youtube video on a +17 wake and the guys enven was doing 10+m i can look for the guys video

[spice surge]

Deathmark+darkest night+cds+aug

[timber hare]

okay thanks

[harsh anchor]

I've had 16m evenoms. big blast with the stars aligned

[cobalt sphinx]

on ingra maloch

[simple vine]

Anyone?? Is there a chat where I could hit up someone who’s good?

[cobalt sphinx]

you can link a log in here

[harsh anchor]

in raid

[cobalt sphinx]

on silken court

[harsh anchor]

queen idk

[cobalt sphinx]

the max the sim does in bis gear is 10.5

[main blaze]

Kyveza for me:

[harsh anchor]

I use cheatengine

[wild thorn]

what class discord has the most weebs

doing a study

[runic hinge]

DH

[wild thorn]

aw hell naw

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-1000-yard-stare-espresso-gif-5540644428338043927

[austere bramble]

hi everyone does the m+ build for sin no longer use supercharger?

[novel star]

you can play it if you want

but yeah

subterfuge is rly good

[cobalt sphinx]

If you hit a 9 point tempest on a huge pull in a low key, is the sudden demise insane?

Time to revolutionize the padding industry

[vast loom]

anyone know why my guy didnt jump to the boss here

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzqbA57DqeJOWHE_p23rTPnds3x2Iu6Ta?si=7ka4-5vbmEVhnVtd

[grave harbor]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[severe sparrow]

i dont suppose feint works on ovinax egg break circles?

[short night]

sometimes stops my second tea when i 2nd shiv

4 works better for me not 5

[silk sundial]

On mythic ovinax do you pop CDs on pull and on cd or do you try to line them up with the first egg break and breaks after?

[pure star]

Go on pull, it lines up with egg breaks later on in the fight

[silk sundial]

Ok, and do you pre-cloak 1st web?

[pure star]

If you want, I used mine on egg breaks

[serene mason]

guys i´ve a question im on 14k Crit, 6k Haste, 4k Vers and 13k Mastery. Every log i´ve checked everyone was running around 12k haste, 10k crit, 14k mastery.
But when i sim my char it still says Crit/Mastery is the best choice on my crafted gear.
Also every high logging rogue is using the big amount of haste.

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[serene mason]

@spice surge thanks for the answer. I know that but it isnt the answer to my question.

[slate crown]

Technically you didn't ask a question

[wild thorn]

dont have to think about anything when the sim tells you what to do

[serene mason]

okay why do so many top100 assa rogues use so much haste when it sims lower for me?

[lean plover]

It could be sikran neck, it could be sims tells them to use those pieces of gear with haste

[slate crown]

I don't know, they're the ones that have the characters with that gear. The decision to stack any particular stat is against the above recommendation from this server, so perhaps you should ask one of them why they use so much haste.

I'm sure many of them are streamers

If your sim tells you haste is lower for you, then it's lower for you, and you should ignore what the top 100 rogues are doing

for their gear

[spice spire]

Because the neck procs and has a fuck ton of haste

Neck with procs*

[wild thorn]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[wild thorn]

Based god

[tall atlas]

Is there an add on for assigning gearsets to specific talent builds within a spec and not just the spec itself

[subtle cipher]

wtf there is a limit LOL

[fast jewel]

Please take all of my toons off ignore

[slate crown]

@balmy condor

[wet widget]

helloo, i was wondering how two charges of vanish works.. i thought they would have serperate cooldowns so i could cover every kingsbane in rotation but after 3rd its on 2min cooldown D: how does this work??

[runic hinge]

That’s how it works. They do not cd independently

[wet widget]

pain...

[spice surge]

Ye theyre not seperate, thats why its not an amazing talent