assassination

[balmy condor]

Case by case

In general if it’s hitting more than 1 person it’s aoe

So pulses, swirls, circles, soaks

All that shit

[real otter]

Is there an easy way to tell with a certain spell id?

[balmy condor]

No

[real otter]

Ok thank u

[vale shore]

pretty sure the lines on the first boss of stonevault too

[balmy condor]

Spell id’s are just the spells numbered sequentially in chronological order of them getting added to the game

[vale shore]

even though they target one player

[balmy condor]

So that wouldn’t help much

[real otter]

I just meant going into the wowhead page

Like for this spell for example https://www.wowhead.com/spell=435415/starless-night#changelog

[spice surge]

No, you have to look at logs

[balmy condor]

Yeh

It should be fairly obvious 99% of the time

[tropic cedar]

im glad ur mental is feeling better Whispyr

[gusty mirage]

would be nice if it was tied to spell data

[spice surge]

Should be but it almost never is

[gusty mirage]

then we could redo the dungeon defensive guide without wanting to stand in front of a full speed semi truck

[echo island]

Does anyone have a macro for me that helps me step on a specific player?
In queen prog, my mouse over macro is not really working too well in p3

[balmy condor]

Should just be /cast [@playername] shadowstep no?

[gusty mirage]

/cast [@target=<framename>] Spell

[balmy condor]

Or that

[gusty mirage]

so /cast [@target=whispyrsgiantdong] Shadowstep

or just @balmy condorsgiantdong

nice

[balmy condor]

Nice

Sgiant

[forest nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[spice surge]

Only step on it if you have stilettos

[gusty mirage]

are we kink shaming or kink appreciating with this

[echo island]

Thanks boys

[spice surge]

Yes

[stray adder]

how is no nut november going?

wrong chat

[gusty mirage]

nah this is the right chat

mfers failed day 1

[stray adder]

I'm still going strong

[spice spire]

I’m clean

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-it-i-dont-believe-you-will-farrell-anchor-man-gif-5332521

[stray adder]

can't nut with the quality of my greater vaults

[balmy condor]

That’s not what my tongue said last night

[stray adder]

big pause

[spice spire]

First time I’ve had a chance in like

15 years

I’m trying

More accidentally succeeding than anything tbh

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

Dog you failing me while I’m unconscious?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[spice spire]

Damn

Hate that

[balmy condor]

I gotta make sure all the pookies be waking up refreshed with that post nut clarity

Ready to attack the day

[stray adder]

gyat

[spice spire]

Mf Santa clause but with swallowing children ain’t no way

[stray adder]

I'm glad people stopped asking questions about tea so we can discuss things that matters

[balmy condor]

Every action equal and opposite reaction whatever

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Bro I got bars today don’t test me oxi

[balmy condor]

Santa Claus be coming down the chimney, I be making the chimney cum

[stray adder]

chocolate bars yeah

big boy

[balmy condor]

I’m for sure on a watchlist

[spice spire]

Only if they’re protein bars king

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna say it

You know those payday bars that’s just peanuts on caramel and everyone hates

Those things are fire

[stray adder]

nature valley bars?

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s like

One of my favorites

Caramel and peanuts hit

[stray adder]

https://tenor.com/view/bite-laptop-crisp-suit-spill-gif-4839862

[balmy condor]

I enjoy old man candy and I’m not afraid to say it

[spice spire]

But I really avoid candy these days

[balmy condor]

That’s why I like quake

[stray adder]

I avoid free candy white vans

childhood trauma

[gusty mirage]

wtf payday is the best candy bar

[balmy condor]

YES

THANK YOU

[spice spire]

Not the best but like.
Top 5 for sure

[gusty mirage]

I don't trust mfers who don't like caramel

[spice spire]

I’m a Twix simp for life

[gloomy otter]

https://i.imgur.com/J31omVn.png

what am i doing wrong? im 627 ilvl this is ulgrax mythic fight

https://i.imgur.com/jXKhIuX.png

[balmy condor]

What if we make like a Twix and wrap our two sticks together

[balmy condor]

Based off that, hitting the enrage it seems

[spice spire]

Just a cursory glance

Your garrote time is lower than it should be by like 20ish %

[balmy condor]

That’s intermissions

[spice spire]

If rupture and envenom are at 85%

And garrote is at 68

That’s not just intermissions yeah

[balmy condor]

Hm

[novel star]

i’ve said it before i’ll say it again

cadbury salted caramel

all

[spice spire]

Even then

This says nothing

[proven jasper]

Salted caramel bussin

[spice spire]

It’s just a damage breakdown

[proven jasper]

bigtime

[spice spire]

On a team coordinated fight

If you’re having 3m of not doing damage

Yeah your damage is gonna suck

[novel star]

cadbury dairy milk is just the peak of grocery store chocolate idk

[tropic cedar]

i bet you like candy corn too

[spice spire]

Don’t you ever compare paydays and candy corn

[runic hinge]

candy corn is an abomination

[novel star]

what’s wrong with candy corn

[coral ibex]

everything

[spice spire]

It’s bad

[novel star]

i haven’t had it in years but my memory of it is nice

[gusty mirage]

yeah everyone's memory of it is nice

until you eat it again

and you remember why you haven't touched it in decades

[cobalt sphinx]

bro got parried on kingsbane lol

[runic hinge]

it's candle wax people convinced others to eat every year

[cobalt sphinx]

8 casts 7 hits

[novel star]

i bet i’d fuck some candy corn up rn

[coral ibex]

that’s bc your memory is as a child whose brain felt sugar and went POGGGGGGG

[novel star]

ok this is real

[ember orchid]

How many finishing moves does supercharger consume? Is it just 1 finishing move or

[novel star]

wuh

[coral ibex]

1

[novel star]

oh i see

[coral ibex]

you get bonus cp

[ember orchid]

for 1 move ye?

[coral ibex]

well it depends on the talents

[novel star]

or 2 if you have 2/2 charger

[coral ibex]

1 or 2 and +2 or +3

[novel star]

^

[quaint knoll]

Is the transmitter good for us?

some people saying unplayable

[winged widget]

yes.
it's just annoying to use in practice, especially in hectic scenarios. much simpler to just macro skardyn to DM and forget about it entirely instead of having to do some stupid minigame every time

[novel star]

unplayable is kind of an exaggeration considering how simple sin is but it is pretty damn bad

[jagged slate]

the assa apl doesn't seem to account for it being ok to finish at 2 CP with forced induction.

[novel star]

because it’s an insanely minor gain and not recommended

[coral ibex]

bc it doesn’t matter

[raven dew]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

it may even be neutral instead of a gain actually i’m not sure

[jagged slate]

"it doesn't matter" "it's a minor gain" but it not something you're even going out of your way to do

[novel star]

well it is

[jagged slate]

you can get an extra envenom in kingsbane opener without having to worry about crits

[coral ibex]

i don’t pay attention to my charged combo points

[novel star]

you have to change your rotation under one very specific situation

and track something you otherwise just completely ignore and let it work passively

[true lintel]

avoidance skardyns grace out of vault ;)

[jagged slate]

respectfully I disagree because it's ridiculously easy to track

[novel star]

you can do whatever you want

i’m just saying why nobody recommends it and why the apl doesn’t do it

[jagged slate]

it's still an extra envenom in kingsbane if you fail to crit on shiv or kingsbane hit

[runic hinge]

You’re saving like ten globals in 5 minutes to do smaller envenoms idk

[novel star]

dope man

go for it

[coral ibex]

an extra envenom whose damage is scaled the same way as a 10p envenom

which is why it doesn’t matter

[cobalt sphinx]

has it been simmed

[jagged slate]

This is what I'm wondering

[gloomy otter]

how much of a difference is there between goin for forced induction or having 2 points in lethality

[jagged slate]

this all just sounds like feelycraft

[coral ibex]

envenom cp scaling isn’t feelcraft

[waxen oyster]

whatever your sim says

[jagged slate]

envenom cp scaling isn't feelycraft but the way you're using it is

[gilded oasis]

!upgrade

[jagged slate]

lol

[balmy condor]

yes and it's within margin

[gilded oasis]

tf

[jagged slate]

k ty

[gilded oasis]

!uppies plz

[runic hinge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[gilded oasis]

ty

[coral ibex]

lmao bro you just took his word

no math

[jagged slate]

he said it's been simmed

and if anyone did it he did

not you

[novel star]

where do you think the other people who are actually active in here get their information from

hint

[cobalt sphinx]

their asses usually

[novel star]

it’s from whispyr typing about it

[coral ibex]

me when u literally make shit up

[novel star]

you fucking idiot

stop being an asshole

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

he wasn't even that rude

chill

[novel star]

was earlier imo

[jagged slate]

I looked at his messages and this wasn't discussed

in particular

[runic hinge]

Shoulda checked tc research

[coral ibex]

don’t care either way, i was right

[spice surge]

Well you also do less damage with that envenom

[balmy condor]

it's not even lunch time and y'all fightin

[spice surge]

So its not a straight 1 envenom VS 0 envenom

[gilded oasis]

[spice surge]

Its all just within margin

[coral ibex]

you live in the past, get with the times (3:28pm)

[tropic cedar]

HUH

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i think there is also merit to generating more combo points without overcapping @jagged slate

one reason you finish on 5 is because another mutilate will waste combo points, but you can safely mutilate on 3

[jagged slate]

yes

I was just particularly wondering if it was overlooked that finishers on 2 at kingsbane window are also possible, most questions have been unrelated to using CPs at 2 when I looked up forced induction

[subtle tundra]

youre lunch

[coral ibex]

envenom damage and duration scales with cp linearly so the discussions on say DN envenoms at 7 vs 10cp envenom is the same as 2 vs 5

5cp envenoms do less damage

[novel star]

sorry for malding the real issue is just i’m tired i need to sleep so badly

[solar shoal]

Sorry I’m quite new to assa, I know it’s a stupid question but I don’t find the answer on guides: once stealth finishes, and assuming I can’t use vanish because it’s on CD, how should I reapply garrote and rupture? I mean if mobs live longer than their durations, and I can’t vanish, should I just forget of these dots? Or what?

[cerulean nest]

they can be applied outside of stealth

they just wont be "empowered" aka extra potent

which is fine

[serene solar]

Just ran my second ever GB on my baby rogue that is 589. First one was a +2 and this was a +9. I feel for anyone that has had to chase this trinket. xD

[solar shoal]

Ok so I should begin the opener again applying dots to all mobs and so on, got it thx

[cerulean nest]

you just want to make sure they never drop. so apply them again every time they're close to dropping and youre good

[coral ibex]

reapply dots during pandemic

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[runic hinge]

5 ruptures for scent of blood and garrote on your main target and keep spattering

[cerulean nest]

I was trying to keep it simple lol

[runic hinge]

I was just thinking all mobs can be too many lol

Could end up spending too much time dotting

[solar shoal]

On so aside stealth, just rupture to mobs and garrote on main

[coral ibex]

there is some amount of experiential knowledge you need about how many mobs to re-dot vs just slamming envenoms when a pack is almost dead

there’s no sense in dotting them all up when they’re about to die

barring rupture snipes for energy

[cerulean nest]

dont worry about rupture snipes if youre brand new lol. in m+, aim to have 5 ruptures rolling at once, garrote a few, mutilate every now and then to keep caustic spatter up, and fill any remaining time you have pressing envenom

thats the most basic idea

[patent snow]

On all targets? Or just your focus?

[cerulean nest]

5 total

one of which should be the one youre focusing yeah

and crimson tempest should be up always too

[exotic apex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-comment-scary-movie-doofy-gif-11236203

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cat-funny-smite-gif-17567204071102087896

[harsh stream]

sorry a little bit late...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dypyMNdZG3hKasNZwWv2ct

or maybe someone else knows why according to the sim two Blessed Weapon Grip sim 10k higher. Does it just procc more often and thats why?

Does it even makes sense to use two? Or should I ignore the 10k and just use again one Dawnthread?

[exotic apex]

ahh buying runs, nice

how much do you pay?

[spice spire]

Also double rogue is dastardly work

Also not necessarily a bought run: some guilds are just crest farming and will say “yeah bring that rat”

[lethal arrow]

can confirm

brought our guildies 580 shaman alt into a +10 ara for fun

[exotic apex]

what are the chances

[solar shoal]

Yes I know of course it’s useless to apply dots to a dying pack, I understand these basics, I couldn’t figure it out if it was worth to apply dots outside of stealth, now it’s clear

[spice spire]

Uh I came from his guild (at least I think Tyler is still there) decent chance

They’re a nice bunch of dudes

That just game

[fresh kelp]

it's just good business to get your rat alts a key or two when your friends are filling their vaults on mains

[exotic apex]

i need to find me one of those guild

[lethal arrow]

also its +9

those are piss easy

[spice spire]

Yeah

Half the affixes

[exotic apex]

did you sit at the beginning and afk lol

[spice spire]

I’m sure they’re recruiting

Most midrange guilds always do

Nah you can play 9s just fine

[exotic apex]

whats the guild called?

US?

[spice spire]

You have to play hyper defensive

US

[lethal arrow]

lots of mid tier M+ guilds recruiting rn

[exotic apex]

i cant find any

[lethal arrow]

check the guild recruit channel

[spice spire]

I say midrange not to call the guild mid, but like late tier CE type guilds.
It’s solaria (if he’s still there)

[lethal arrow]

oops yeah mid range

either late CE or like 8/10M type guilds

[cobalt sphinx]

any guilds recruiting with cute single egirls on the roster

i am 3060 io and orange on all fights

[lethal arrow]

those are m+ players

just go do keys

you too can be equinox and end up on twitter

[fresh kelp]

ive heard good things for those with a penchant for spitting monster

[serene solar]

I dont buy runs lol

[spice spire]

Man named Breadgetter trying to get bread

[spice spire]

Tell these frauds

Also he is still in Pyrian my goat

[exotic apex]

with aug, doesnt count

[serene solar]

3 guild member. 2 alts

[lethal arrow]

yeah cook that fraud

[cobalt sphinx]

the grind never stops

[serene solar]

I love that man

[exotic apex]

i dont think its there anymore :/

[spice spire]

Same

Miss him so much

[jaunty lotus]

My best item in vault is a Vers haste ring.... Over a crit haste one. What the hell?

[lethal arrow]

well vers is good

[serene solar]

Yeah that is the guild

[spice spire]

I’m sure they’re recruiting right @serene solar (I actually don’t know, I just know we perma recruited specific spots, rogue wasn’t one of them, and likely isn’t still now)

Fwiw idk if that’s a Pyrian alt or main

Man just plays whatever is needed

[lethal arrow]

finding a guild lacking a rogue is rough

most guilds only run 1

and we dont bring shit to the table

[exotic apex]

i want to say usually alot lack rogues

[jaunty lotus]

Vers is good? Over crit?

[spice spire]

I came in with a bud of mine on dk

[spice spire]

At some point

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[lethal arrow]

if it sims better, it simms better

[serene solar]

Yeah an alt. You know him well. Pyrian is constantly swapping around when needed

[spice spire]

Only played with them for a tier, life kinda happened took a long break, they got an upgrade at the spot

Very fond of a lot of the folks from that tier though

[serene solar]

Yeah good group of people for sure. I will let them know you said hey

[spice spire]

Nah no need

[serene solar]

Look I will take that overall with this gear.

Swap the grace for a veteran void contract. Cause I got the grace after that run

[spice spire]

Sub though

You’re dead to me

[serene solar]

I play all three.

[spice spire]

Even worse

[lethal arrow]

well you shouldnt

[spice spire]

Willingly plays outlaw Smdh

Sub I can see, if you’re a bottom you’re a bottom.
But a rule breaker? Smdh

[serene solar]

I started as an outlaw main and have branched out. My end goal this season is 3k on all three specs.

Haven't really tried much with outlaw yet

[spice spire]

Just ping Zac

[torn mist]

dang da rogue

[exotic apex]

your gears not bad, assuming the guildies were overgeared to keep ya alive

[tropic cedar]

@midnight mist

[torn mist]

what's your feel with outlaw ? I'm curious to play again this spec (last time i play it was at BfA (prime gamingo))

[midnight mist]

dont ping me

[tropic cedar]

quake told me to

[exotic apex]

lol

[midnight mist]

!ban @spice spire

[soft surge]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

Damn

[tropic cedar]

4 months ago you woulda been toast bozo

how times have changed

[spice spire]

4 months ago I was also green

Hello

[midnight mist]

well green could ban green

[tropic cedar]

ya but 4 months ago i didnt know you

[midnight mist]

so that doesnt change anything

[tropic cedar]

checkmate

[cerulean walrus]

Green on green violence

[runic hinge]

Green on green violence

[tropic cedar]

Green on green violence

[serene solar]

Outlaw is good this season. Outlaw has all the same issues it always has when its good though. Zac could probably give you more on its pros and cons since I haven't ran it too hard this season yet. But I assume it is a lot the same stuff like not being great in massive pulls like the first pull in NW.

[torn mist]

oh okay i see, ig i can do more thing in outlaw than assa xD

[waxen oyster]

NW designwise just favors assa

grossly

[torn mist]

^

but outlaw will ruin my tmog 😦

[waxen oyster]

Gunning down necromancers and gatekeepers with singular focus.

[ashen portal]

Sup, do i roll with 1xBlood-Kissed Kukri & 1xRegicide, or just 2xRegicide

[spice surge]

Whatever sims the highest

[waxen oyster]

myth regicide comes 639

which is nice

[ashen portal]

i have 2xRegicide//616 and 1xKukri 610

regicides sim more

but

bis is kukri

[spice surge]

NW designwise just favors assa fucking blows

[waxen oyster]

If you don't raid you're going to end up using a crafted mh

because ilvl>>>

[ashen portal]

i raid

[runic hinge]

Do you raid mythic

[spice surge]

Bis is irrelevant

[waxen oyster]

kukri is just way more accessible

[spice surge]

Use what sims the highest for your character

[waxen oyster]

Bit weird when i see people ask bis

and still like

in the 620s

or lower

get more ilvl

[spice spire]

People don’t understand what best in slot actually is

[proven jasper]

yeah hey guys im in full greens whats bis dagger??

[spice spire]

Is the issue

I had this issue in a previous guild (not Tyler’s ) where one of the tanks refused to do m+ because he had bis gear (heroic versions)

And explaining that gave me an aneurysm

[ashen portal]

Okay i didnt sim the upgraded kukri, mb ty

[waxen oyster]

If you don't raid mythic

636 crafted dagger is gonna be your bis mh

unless you pull another myth track dagger from m+ slots

[spice spire]

Erm actually you can get mythic daggers from the vault

FUCK

[waxen oyster]

i think we do extendo jail though

so no rash cloak for me on myth

[subtle tundra]

womp womp

[waxen oyster]

I imagine crafted cloak is better

in that scenario

[past panther]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cobalt sphinx]

i am myth in all slots except for heroic sikran and rash

really kind of a dumb spot to be

next week it's probably a crafted cape yeah

[waxen oyster]

hero skardyn, champ rash cloak hero ring

not having raid tierslots probably set me back a few gildeds as opposed to having m+ ones.

since m+ slot tier is 1/6

[frozen jasper]

is it normal that ma does not retrigger when i stealth while the first ma buff is still active? seems kinda off

it does for imp gar and carnage

[cobalt sphinx]

known bug

[exotic apex]

am i trippin or do we have 2 cds on hearth now?

[frozen jasper]

nvm then

[cobalt sphinx]

humans have 2 hearths i think

[exotic apex]

oh shit, i just noticed that

actually yesterday i noticed but couldnt find anything for it

[vast patio]

I struggle so much on picking what to drop for iron wire, lol

it's usually twist but twist is so nice.

[midnight mist]

what if you dont drop anything for iron wire

and not play it

because prot pal silence mobs anyway

[balmy condor]

it's a solemn day when we're picking what to drop for iron wire instead of picking what to take by dropping iron wire

[west crown]

Oh this conversation again

[balmy condor]

community psyche defaulting to no iron wire

misery

[midnight mist]

iron wire is the most overrated utility talent ever no cap

maybe if the meta tank wasnt prot pal

[spice spire]

Man said “if the one class that can do something similar wasn’t meta it would be good”

Overrated tho

[balmy condor]

yeah it's so overrated that I had to beg on my knees for mplussers to not take a 7% dps loss for it

[midnight mist]

well ye

like your silence doesnt silence anyting if the mobs are silenced

!

[runic hinge]

Their silence doesn’t silence anything if I silence all the mobs first

[west crown]

DR doesnt matter when you are getting one shot anyway

[midnight mist]

ok but their is litterlay free

dr doesnt matter cause your tank goes into pack with every cd in the game

[runic hinge]

Ours is like 1% dps. So huge

[midnight mist]

your tank prolly doesnt even know iron wire has a dr

[cobalt sphinx]

my tank doesn't know that he has a dr

[pearl steppe]

how does rapid injection work?

[runic hinge]

Envenom is a buff on yourself. If you press envenom while the buff is up it’ll do damage

[tiny apex]

So I just take this every day of the week, right

[midnight mist]

better thake the normal ilvl boots cuh

[tiny apex]

true

I would, but I have myth version of those boots

[exotic apex]

i think he was kiddin

[warm vortex]

So

just learnt my guild leader ahas been slacking cause he started a game studio

big up to him

[tiny apex]

i was playing along

[spring moat]

!oil

oops

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Let me correct that one for you homie

[spring moat]

quake XD

[spice spire]

!oilingupthehomies

[spring moat]

i forgot.. algari oil or whetstone?

[spice spire]

Whetstone

[spring moat]

my stash of oil ran out. and drew a blank

ironwclaw whetstone? 469 AP ?

[coral ibex]

yes

[runic hinge]

Wish it was 469 armor penetration

[coral ibex]

erm that is abbreviated as ArP

[waxen oyster]

oil up

[slow marsh]

hey guys, new rogue here, just wondering....how much haste should i be trying to get so i can make sure that my energies are always topped off

[waxen oyster]

energy doesnt impact it

[cobalt sphinx]

your energy on single target will always be buttcheeks

[spice spire]

Pls tell me ur trolling Ice

I’m about to cook you otherwise

[slow marsh]

you can't cook what's already been cooked

[coral ibex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[pearl steppe]

thx

[cobalt sphinx]

i got trolled

[slow marsh]

holy shit that's an actual command

[runic hinge]

Quake will make sure you’re always topped off

[spring moat]

!butcheeks

[slate crown]

!stats yeh and so is this

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

What sin being fotm does to a mf

[waxen oyster]

I mean sin is just a slow spec

[slow marsh]

I guess I forget that sin has been fotm a couple times

[waxen oyster]

That's how its made

[cerulean nest]

does cloak negate wrests on ansurek?

[spring moat]

no

shadowstep does

[waxen oyster]

easiest fotm check is drip check

ngl

[cerulean nest]

I see a lot of people popping cloak exactly before the second wrest on intermission platform 1

is that just for the dispell damage

[waxen oyster]

If someone is wearing cosmetic gear or current expac look

yeah...

[spring moat]

it generally does damage to you when people get stacked on top of you

[cerulean nest]

just seems oddly specific for so many to pop in that exact window

[slow marsh]

i have the best drip tbh

[pearl steppe]

just learned that during the event u can transmog for free at the caverns of time during fashion frenzy

that's gonna save some coin

[waxen oyster]

Isn't that because of trial of style

[waxen oyster]

This is a coin save that doesn't allow you to change mog anywhere you can mount

[pearl steppe]

yeah you have to travel there and wait for the event to trigger

and make sure you talk to the transmog npcs that spawn during the event on the platform

not the one next to the mirrors

[spring moat]

is it just me.. or does the set vendor not tell you what youve already learned?

for anniversary event

[runic hinge]

For t2?

[spring moat]

yes

[spring moat]

i got rogue set first.. and went to buy others but it doesnt show ive learned them lol

[runic hinge]

They go away when you learn them

[spring moat]

oooh

[waxen oyster]

Think only ones i have left are mage evoker hunter and lock

which all look terrible

[runic hinge]

@spice spire I did awakening the machine today so I could finish t2

[spice spire]

I like evoker

But like

[waxen oyster]

The rogue one needed to be darker

to look good

[spice spire]

When do they see it

[spring moat]

evoker mains kek

[spice spire]

Seek help bestie

[runic hinge]

No

[spice spire]

Mf in Maine but their mind in Illinois

[waxen oyster]

i have the mount from awakening the machine

[spice spire]

I’m think I’ve gotten 2 sets

But I have like

300 tokens

[waxen oyster]

quake my bran is 58

i think im the real mentally ill one

[spice spire]

Yeah

But like

Ik you were mentally I’ll

[runic hinge]

Mine is 52

[spice spire]

Tony just got AotC Sunday

I mean mine is 50

[runic hinge]

Last Sunday

[spice spire]

And o don’t delve that much

[runic hinge]

This Sunday I was hungover but we killed again

[nova python]

!shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[waxen oyster]

I got the queen ring on my dh

before my rogue

[dire sphinx]

Man... i was just fighting brood twister. That Mother Fer parried my kingsbane 3 THREEE times

[dapper cradle]

for FB builds, when are we pressing CB?

just on CD?

[runic hinge]

Macro to LB

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure you macro it to kb

[runic hinge]

Kb

[waxen oyster]

and just let it happen in that window

[dapper cradle]

oh interesting

so you're really only doing it with the KB shiv windows?

[waxen oyster]

Something about you take advantage of the thing

with vanish

idk i play fb when i dont want to think

not the reverse

[dapper cradle]

haha I just cba to manage marks on ulgrax anymore tbh

i'll just coin flip

[waxen oyster]

me when i forget to ambush first globalon ulg post intermission

and i have no mark

anymore

i was more thinking to mess with it on hc queen

[dapper cradle]

yeah h queen wouldn't be bad either

i just always fuck my shit up on m ulgrax

cba bro honestly

[waxen oyster]

I did that on my last kill of that boss

Idk why but i always feed on ulgrax

for some reason

brain no work

[dapper cradle]

my least fav fight in a while

[vast patio]

ah but you see

I pug often and people in pugs are stupid lobotomites

[waxen oyster]

wait your tanks press their own dr?

most pug tanks usually try to mdi pull

then die

and disconnect

[vast patio]

only if I'm the tank in question

otherwise it's "i'm going to pull this without any of my defensives"

[waxen oyster]

Bonus points to any tank that tries a "different" route

9/10 times its shit

or cares too much about skipping things

[vast patio]

or it's a big pull you can totally do in theory but nobody has cds up

[waxen oyster]

Bonus points to pulling marauders in nw through the group

and wonder why people get frontaled

[vast patio]

my personal favorite is the blood dk standing in the wells the casters drop.

but yeah, I hate taking iron wire but it indirectly makes my life easier :\

[waxen oyster]

damn that 1% dps really hurting man

[spice spire]

I feel it lil bro

[hasty quail]

is there a fatebound discussion?

[mint urchin]

This and tanks that can't sit still and run all around

[jade abyss]

i try +12 key atm guys any tipps for surviving? dont know i got deleted even with elusivness very quick -.-

[hasty quail]

potions

[mint urchin]

You will get deleted if people don't kick/cc even with def

[jade abyss]

for example boralus

endboss when the debuff get on my i get insta 4 mio damage with feint

and the richochet from second boss kills me

when cloak is not rdy

[spice surge]

You have to feint before it gets casts

Not when it hits you

[dapper cradle]

i was just asking about when to use cold blood

seems like you just macro it into kingsbane

[jade abyss]

so i have to "gamble"

[spice spire]

Not really because feint is off gcd

Cast starts feint

[spice surge]

Also consider different verbiage

[waxen oyster]

I mean doesnt your healer just have to

pay attention to you more with the second boss dot

or get a warrior intervene etc

[jade abyss]

thanks for your advises @spice surge and @spice spire

[spice spire]

Np pookie

[lofty mango]

Okay at what point is it not worth rupturing the rest of the pack

[waxen oyster]

If it wont live the rupture

[lofty mango]

I’m struggling with that side of maintenance do I maintain all with 5-7 CP ruptures or all just leave it is it won’t live until expiration

[waxen oyster]

on lower keys honestly as soon as you get ruptures out for scent

you can just get to spattering

which is very soon with IC

10 and below I'll only press rupture and garrote twice in a pack

at the start

[lofty mango]

Because I currently spread all dots, tempest at max CP then just go into the cd window and spam envenoms

[waxen oyster]

You have to judge based on key level

and your comp

You'll have more time to ramp with an aug for example

[lofty mango]

Currently doing 11-13 kegs

Hmmm I haven’t played with many augs

[waxen oyster]

It's entirely a call you need to make based on how long the pack lives

[lofty mango]

Is there any way I can see the most common routes used so I can plan cds for rogue

With my Druids I have them every pack but with death mark it’s kind of harder to manage

[exotic apex]

hell yeah, beer for everyone

[lofty mango]

No no kegs lol keys I had my keyboard set to polish it auto corrected lol

[exotic apex]

i know, im just playin

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/polish-cow-cow-dancing-dance-dancing-cow-gif-19109155

[exotic apex]

i read it quickly and said hell yeah in my head

[coral ibex]

polish time

[exotic apex]

purogis for everyone

[lofty mango]

Rozumiem?

[exotic apex]

idk what that means lol

[lofty mango]

lol then no it’s okay I thought the other guy maybe polish

[exotic apex]

pierogi is the correct spelling

[dapper cradle]

this means to understand in ukrainian as well

[vast patio]

everything is on trackable timers. just send feint before the cast finishes

[coral ibex]

tylko jedo glowie mam~

[lofty mango]

Yea it translates in Ukrainian same as cebula

[cobalt sphinx]

Does putrid waters have a cast time

[dapper cradle]

🧅

[lofty mango]

Lubisz cebulą

[spice spire]

Putrid waters are the circles on last boss siege correct?

[coral ibex]

idk but my dungeon wa pack counts it down

[spice spire]

I’m not 200%

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah

[dapper cradle]

ya lyublyu tsybulyu

[spice spire]

If so yeah

They do

Cast goes out and you can even feint post cast pre landing

[dapper cradle]

we say varenyky instead of pierogi

[exotic apex]

yes

[cobalt sphinx]

Hmm ok i need a weakaura, i think i was just gambling feint and praying. I thought the thing with that move is that you can’t feint if it’s in the air

[spice spire]

You can

But don’t recommend

It’s like

[cobalt sphinx]

I got one off wago and it kinda sucks

[spice spire]

You can step an ally on ara Kara pull

But I don’t recommend

[lofty mango]

Personally you should have feint up for most incoming damage

[exotic apex]

2 charges on a short cd is always nice

[lofty mango]

The CD is not long it’s a 10 second damage reduction it’s perfect

Take GB for example you can have feint up for every commanding roar

[dapper cradle]

ya you can even feint the rock debuff safely

and still have a charge

[lofty mango]

Feint is pretty much one of those things where you need to have as much uptime as you can for incoming damage

No excuse to not really

[cobalt sphinx]

Putrid waters has a ridiculous travel time and it’s unclear when you have to feint

You don’t gotta waste the energy on umbriss because the damage is so spaced out, dps loss

[exotic apex]

itsnt the travel time less than 10 seconds?

[lofty mango]

Putrid waters is annoying to try and time

But it’s not 10 seconds like Thad said

[balmy prism]

you can literally see it in air?

[exotic apex]

yes

[balmy prism]

-> press button when it's near

[cobalt sphinx]

I am pretty sure you can’t feint when it’s in the air

[balmy prism]

Ehm sure you can

[lofty mango]

I’m 90% sure you can feint just before it hits

Like as a balance Druid you can near form it as it’s hitting and not take the full damage

[balmy prism]

yes you can 100% feint it lol

[spice surge]

Well bear form isnt a damage reduction

its just +hp on you

[exotic apex]

im trying to figure out why youre trying to soak putrid waters

[lofty mango]

No bear gives you health and reduced damage taken for 6 seconds 🙂

[spice surge]

But yes you need to feint before the cast goes of and not while its in the air to reduce the initial hit

[cobalt sphinx]

Jeepers creepers

[exotic apex]

usually it gets taken off of you

[cobalt sphinx]

After it hits you for 5 million simultaneous with a slam for a few million yes

[exotic apex]

i cant say ive been hit with a slam yet

[cobalt sphinx]

Thad

You are killing me man

[exotic apex]

unless im oblivious

[cobalt sphinx]

Both the slam and the putrid waters are unavoidable, slam hits 5 players and waters hits 2 players so you absolutely need mitigation in your group to survive any overlaps

[exotic apex]

are yall talking about like 15s?

[spice spire]

Nah even in like tens that boss TRUCKS tho iirc mikedawg is that dog

[cobalt sphinx]

Any difficulty, on a 10 the waters is 3.7m hit and then ticking for 1.8m and slam is 2.9m

[lofty mango]

Wait is Thad boosted ?

That last boss is a meme I won’t lie

[jovial idol]

At least no knockback anymore

[exotic apex]

just came back to the game after taking a break after tww prerelease

i dont know all the mechanics so was trying to remember from bfa

although i havent timed a 10 sob yet

i want to say in bfa the slam was avoiable

you would just watch the ground shadows

but, i could be mistaken

[shy pecan]

Pretty sure that’s just increased armor?

[violet sluice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hushed tinsel]

Yo pro rogue gamers - what sim profiles do you use?

[spice spire]

Raid build pretty self explanatory.
For m+ do patchwerk 3m no buffs for boss measurement, and dungeonslice for general bits of gear compare

For m+ your sims will just help you determine gear/lesser degree builds, not numbers

[hushed tinsel]

ya im sorry didnt specify. doing m plus

[violet berry]

Dungeon slice is kinda cucked

Idk if I trust it

[spice spire]

Gonna tap the sign again

[arctic venture]

its the best pick u have for m+

[shy pecan]

Need it as an image

[balmy condor]

what are you simming instead

like realistically yes, dslice blows

but dslice is like soggy bagel bad

not really appetizing, but ain't anything wrong with it

it's just wet

would you rather a pristine bagel smeared with a solid layer of poop

[spice spire]

Yea

[balmy condor]

cause if you're not gonna trust dslice, might as well just like

not sim anything

[spice spire]

Esp if it’s yours

[runic hinge]

Hold the poop

[deep breach]

can i just say how annoying it is that blind doesn't aoe on this weeks affix unless you use it on a mob. that is all.

[hidden depot]

i run out of energy, during single target with tea down, any tips ?

[tired gull]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[deep breach]

basically you are just keeping your bleeds up and envenom buff up when you arent in kingsbane window

[shy pecan]

Just basically chilling outside of CDs and maintaining buffs/debuffs

[coral ibex]

dont press mutilate under 80 energy, don't envenom under 60

[humble verge]

ive never heard about this before actually

[hushed dirge]

I got a shit vault today.

[coral ibex]

i mean if you never go under 30 energy you never proc tea

[humble verge]

true....

brain big

[hidden depot]

ok do we use crimson tempest to help with energy?

[woven shore]

haters gonna hate

[humble verge]

neck

get it now

[hushed dirge]

I did sim the vault and it basically gave me nothing.

[humble verge]

also, ive had it for 3 weeks now :p

[shy pecan]

No.

[hidden depot]

ty

[coral ibex]

no hate here brother #assassination message

[hushed dirge]

After sims it said nothing is good to pick

[humble verge]

helmet for tier eh

[vast patio]

skardyn saved that vault

[supple frost]

is there such a macro that'll rupture current target or mouse over target

[near jetty]

do people recommend taking twist the knife instead of iron wire, or is the 5sec silence worth more

[coral ibex]

that is not the kind of comparison to make

[hushed dirge]

I already have a mythic helm with a socket.

[humble verge]

guh

[near jetty]

ahh

[vast patio]

I like iron because people are stupid robots, but ideally twist

[timber meadow]

looking at top court log, those timings are actually just cringe as all fuck

[humble verge]

like

i cant trust anyone enough

[hushed dirge]

That is why I said nothing sims good from the vault

[humble verge]

so i will always run iron

[vast patio]

What do you drop for it

[humble verge]

pick for tmog :3

[vast patio]

twist is usually my drop

[coral ibex]

sanguine

[vast patio]

that feels wrong

[coral ibex]

sanguine is turbo bad in ST

[hushed dirge]

I still have wrists and belt to socket.

[coral ibex]

which is the worst part of sin's m+

[vast patio]

yeah but on 12s and such it's still insane overall value.

I tried dropping bone spike but I don't like it as much.

[humble verge]

damn

i just dced

not reconencting D:

[coral ibex]

i've yet to fail a key with 0 deaths due to damage so its not something i'm really worried about

would rather take the util

and drop the talent i personally hate interacting with

[humble verge]

did blizzard take a shit rn

[vast patio]

my tank was doing this not too long ago so

https://tenor.com/view/im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-18822004

[humble verge]

ok nvm

now

[timber meadow]

@balmy condor are you using the giga cringe cd timings for court or just sending everything lined up

[tall jay]

That looks like the Tyson fight

[vast patio]

i'm convinced it was staged.

[tall jay]

Same

[lethal arrow]

me when i walk into the poop deli

[vast patio]

is there a channel to talk about classic shite, I'm preparing for classic^2

[humble verge]

damn

[balmy condor]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/the-silken-court

I'm doing the timing used by # 4/5/7/10/11/13

[humble verge]

i just bricked a sv13 for no reason

sadge

[vapid geode]

is there a soft crit cap for assa rogue?

[balmy condor]

so hold for charge amp, then kb, hold for the dispell amp

[humble verge]

never seen this before

is this mythic court?

[balmy condor]

idk

[humble verge]

oh it is

[balmy condor]

I'm famously illiterate

don't as me anything

[lethal arrow]

cant wait to prog court again this week

[humble verge]

hmmm

so they are holding dm and kb

for 30 - 45 seconds?

[balmy condor]

no hablo ingles lo siento senior

[humble verge]

ok bro did not ask

[pliant remnant]

don't as him anything

[humble verge]

: (

[balmy condor]

but yes

people hold for the first amp

on the charge

[humble verge]

makes sense

i feel like

is it really that far in?

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

hmm ok

[lethal arrow]

yeah

[humble verge]

well

i thought it was further but idk

does make sense tho

[eager tree]

!prekey

[humble verge]

its the first web aint it?

[balmy condor]

yes

[lethal arrow]

it lines up so your KB actually comes up right when second dash happens as well

[balmy condor]

it's web, rain, rotate, then charge

[lethal arrow]

give or take a couple seconds

[humble verge]

oo nice

[timber meadow]

i think #2 cracked the code, man blasted just sending everything lined up

[golden quarry]

should i use transmitter on CD (1.5 min) or only with deathmark (2 min)

[humble verge]

he probably just know how to demug

[lethal arrow]

and after that KB you roughly have DN up to move the mark off anub to takazj

for p2

[humble verge]

also thers like 2 other people that does it in top 20

[lethal arrow]

the fight is so fking scripted

[humble verge]

man i hate sv

[timber meadow]

well there's a lot of people who know how to demuge who do less dmg using way cringier timings

[humble verge]

i will never ever justl ike

get it in 13

fr fr

[balmy condor]

yeah except one problem there bud

[humble verge]

yesman

me

[balmy condor]

all of these fucking losers

[lethal arrow]

nice kill times

[balmy condor]

are cd'ing in intermission

[lethal arrow]

[balmy condor]

on the damage hold

so

can't do that

that's illegal

[timber meadow]

😦

[humble verge]

pepelaff

[lethal arrow]

they hate their raid

[humble verge]

wait

damage hold?

[balmy condor]

"stop dps" the raid leader says as my deathmark comes off cooldown and I instantly slam it

[humble verge]

mythic only?

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

hm ok

[timber meadow]

yeqah bro heroic you just send lol

[balmy condor]

heroic doesn't have mechanics

[humble verge]

whats the mechanic

in mythic that does it

[lethal arrow]

nothing happens in heroic

[timber meadow]

the whole fight

is the mechanic

[humble verge]

nah

people fail webs

[lethal arrow]

youre perma split

[humble verge]

thats what happend on heroic

[timber meadow]

blizz just said "you want a mechanic with your mechanic?"

[lethal arrow]

they have 1 web now

so litearlly nothing happens

[balmy condor]

mythic you have the raid split into 2 groups and if you touch someone on the other team you both die insta

and you drop orbs on mechanics

which the other group has to soak

[cobalt sphinx]

heroic you just defensive the charge and the people in shit gear die

[balmy condor]

so you have to soak each others orbs

[lethal arrow]

ofc

the classic lfr strat

[humble verge]

oh yeah

forgot about that shit lol

[timber meadow]

and most likely you hold a web for a lot of the fight in mythic as opposed to just like one or two groups in heroic

[humble verge]

jesus

i dont think my guild will ever get to court lmao

[balmy condor]

in the intermission it's important to do that because of the pull in->run out that happens in p2

[humble verge]

we'll probably kill ovi

princess

[lethal arrow]

think they also spawn more adds adn they fucking slam

[humble verge]

and court is just gonna sit there

[balmy condor]

so we do a left rotation, two right rotations, then push

[lethal arrow]

add autos are like 2m each

[balmy condor]

if I slam deathmark onto the boss during intermission

[humble verge]

jeez

[balmy condor]

we push before the second right rotation finishes

and so there's gonna be orbs

45 degrees off the groups

the boss chains us together

and we wipe

[lethal arrow]

if you want a raid wide simulation of that

we lusted once on that phase for fun

and it ends so fucking fast

that everything gets thrown off

[balmy condor]

yeah

with 20 people going into the intermission

you just auto push

like 5 seconds too early

even with no one sending

so you gotta dps stop

[lethal arrow]

ethical gamers will send with the rest of their raid

[balmy condor]

which is why all of these people sending cds at 2:20

are fucking cringe losers

amen

[lethal arrow]

rat bastards

[balmy condor]

truly

[humble verge]

i will be one of those cringe losers fr fr

(i wont get there on progress)

[lethal arrow]

tbh you might be there

[humble verge]

like

we SHOULD

kill ovi on thursday

if not idk man

[lethal arrow]

yeah you'll prob see silken at least

[humble verge]

waiting for sunday

[vast patio]

lock alt got a mythic wand in vault, booya

[lethal arrow]

idk if youll see ansurek but youll def see silken

[humble verge]

nice

yea

i wasnt expecting to like go far in mythic anyways lol

[lethal arrow]

my guild WAS right next to whispyrs

but they raid an extra day so they progged over us by 10%

[humble verge]

do we have a date for next season?

[lethal arrow]

late feb early march most likely

[humble verge]

imagine raiding more than 2 days

zz

jesus

[balmy condor]

yeh late feb

[humble verge]

feb

hoooly

honestly

[lethal arrow]

yeah so you might see ansurek

[humble verge]

if we're still raiding by then

[lethal arrow]

if they nerf silken

[humble verge]

we might get there

but idk

[balmy condor]

HoF closing next week probably?

[humble verge]

guild is filled with people who have responsibilities

[lethal arrow]

for EU?

[balmy condor]

so reasonable to assume giga nerfs rolling in

[balmy condor]

for all

[humble verge]

we have some pumpers that sometimes cant show up at times

[lethal arrow]

HoF closed last night for NA

[balmy condor]

well

"closed"

[lethal arrow]

eh closed

they gotta sort out the cheaters

[spice surge]

It closed 2 hours before reset

[humble verge]

europe is at

127

rn

[rain wraith]

This is our last reset before we extend our lockout for silken court…..

[balmy condor]

when it closes that close to a reset it's fairly normal for them to keep it open another week

[spice surge]

Ye

[humble verge]

wait

oh

i forgot they ahve a certain timer

[lethal arrow]

boutta transfer to EU

[spice surge]

Queen probably easier than court now tbh

[humble verge]

do you even need more loot tho

[lethal arrow]

get HoF

[spice surge]

Nah HoF is global

[rain wraith]

Still dont have myth cloak/neck

[humble verge]

wait if hof is global

only horde is filled then?

like

there is 212 queen kills

[spice surge]

There is no horde or alliance

[lethal arrow]

no they combined it to be top 200 period

[spice surge]

Its 200

[lethal arrow]

theres no more faction split

[humble verge]

hof is over

then

[spice surge]

No

[humble verge]

yeah but

there

are

200