assassination

[woven shore]

What m+

[safe shale]

12 NW

[spice spire]

But the system was neat

[woven shore]

Fdk only plays breath if grp knowd what to do

The shaman is dogshit
Yes

[woven shore]

Very very dogshit losing to a rogue

[safe shale]

XD

The calibur of players i gotta deal with in pugs breaks my mental

[woven shore]

Lol breath 7th

Breath could do easily 200mil one pull

[royal lantern]

Zones where better structured and filled with more stuff that makes them feel like zones you can do things in, TWW zones are overall just kinda empty

Some of its dungeons where really good

Covenant COSMETICS where good if they would have did the later changes immediately

sidequestlines/personal quests/covenant quests where overall really good, and the Lore behind SL was actually also kinda good in many concepts(a few of them are still used btw, and it kinda gets overhated by people that latch on the same bad tory things AND also mix it with weird headcanons and ypoutuber outrage bait that is not even correct in the first place, like the "jailer planned everything!!!! xdddddd" thing that was never said in any shape or form that way)

[safe shale]

especiially in nw

[royal lantern]

here you are, some good things

[woven shore]

He is playing for fun

[limber lion]

Yeah I can think of a few guys where that applies pretty accurately :P

[woven shore]

Because breath is not worth it

But yes
Enh shaman is bad

U did good sir

[safe shale]

Great

Ty

XD

[coral ibex]

counterpoints

The Maw/Korthia (zones bad)

every expansion has at least "some" good dungeons

every expansion has reputation based cosmetics and some are always fire

[woven shore]

Insane how strong Paladin is rn in m+

[coral ibex]

i will give you that covenant stories were good

i fucking loved being a bone man

[woven shore]

Yoda fucking +18s now everyone switching to paladin

[safe shale]

Paladins damage can be crazy

[spice spire]

Man said korthia bad

[woven shore]

I refuse that agree on that

Most boring shit ever

😂

To me atleast

[spice spire]

@deft sluice korthia hater detected

[coral ibex]

korthia can suck me from the back and i'll stand on that

[mint urchin]

Plaguefall and ToP existed

[safe shale]

Yeah i hated being forced to do covenant stories for covs i didnt give a shit about

[mint urchin]

Major point deduction

[spice spire]

Top goated dungeon

[safe shale]

Played hunter in SL and was made to play nightfae like a fucking loser

[spice spire]

Shut your beautiful lips or I’ll shut them with mine

[mint urchin]

Well see soon won't we? Lol

[safe shale]

Which i hated to my core, the zone the story

Bad game

[woven shore]

The finally of Shadowlands is confusing

[spice spire]

You saying we’re going to kiss soon or?

[woven shore]

What is the jailor now

A doll?

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[safe shale]

Whole expansion was trash but first tier raid

Only good content

[cobalt sphinx]

What about wildshape though that shit was kinda crazy

[spice spire]

(I’m being obtuse)

[mint urchin]

You are already in my pants and now you want my lips too? Oh baby

[spice spire]

Didn’t say which lips big dog

[woven shore]

Covenant shit was fun

[mint urchin]

Please tell me more

[pliant remnant]

[woven shore]

M+
Raid

Season 1 SL was PEAK

So much fucking stuff to do

[royal lantern]

yes maw/korthia where bad, never said otherwhise

yes they have, but DF/TWW have way worse dungeons, BfA argurably aswell, SL imo had the strongest dungeon setup since M+ exists

SL cosmetics are WAAAAAAAAY more elaborate and just simply more then we ever had before, like rn in TWW the reps have 1 armor set+1-2 mounts and thats it, in SL every covenant had 2-3 + multiple recolors and 8+ mounts just as rep rewards themself, side activitys had even more stuff in that regard, for collector purposes SL was absolutely insane in content, nothing in the game comes close to SL in that regard

[pliant remnant]

I fuckin' loved covenant energy

Such a satisfying feature

Absolutely poggin'

[cobalt sphinx]

M SLG and council

What the fuck was that

[spice spire]

Honestly if they turn xavius a hair down and make the hooks on whatever gorechop ass dungeon that is.
Top is peak

I just remember doing a 21 and xavius stomp almost aoe one shotting me

[woven shore]

XD

[spice spire]

At near max ilvl at the time

[woven shore]

Lol

Feint

[spice spire]

Buddy

If you think I wasn’t dueling for my life downstairs

Ur lit

[woven shore]

[spice spire]

I’ll hold CDs for the mf down there

[woven shore]

😂😂😂😂😂

[spice spire]

Enjoy the vendetta bozo

[mint urchin]

True

[royal lantern]

go down->instant max cp kidney

[spice spire]

Accidentally sbs’d early on and killed on the way up

[woven shore]

"Duelling for my life" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Sounds like sweating all time

[spice spire]

That was a shit feature early

[cobalt sphinx]

About to be popping all cooldowns on the aug

[wispy marsh]

When running TTK in M+ is the goal to try to keep up both or is it more about having the extended timer on Envenom buff?

SD sims higher for me, trying to figure out why tot ake it

[spice spire]

You get me

[sullen phoenix]

guys any tip how to survive 2nd boss in necro? i use feint/crimson but dmg that i take when he spawn adds is just too much

[thin portal]

I want to see 3 master rogues in a dps race. Who will play sin ??

[royal lantern]

me

[coral ibex]

this is either gonna be super sick or literally useless, can't wait for it

[spice spire]

The Aug goes down and he’s about to understand the frustration I have with that mf class

[cobalt sphinx]

Which boss? Amarth?

[sullen phoenix]

yea

[coral ibex]

kick the volleys

[lament glade]

I just started playing rogue last week, is it normal for my mutilate to miss sometimes 2 or 3 times in a row?

[cobalt sphinx]

What ability is killing you

[coral ibex]

it has to either be volleys or boss necrotic bolts

[sullen phoenix]

tortured echoes

[royal lantern]

are you getting parried?

[coral ibex]

oh you're not killing the adds

you have to kill all the adds before that cast finishes

[thin portal]

Are you a master sin rogue?

[cobalt sphinx]

Tortured echoes i believe is the aoe pulsing damage he gets when anything dies around him

[royal lantern]

see, im that good, so stealthy that you dont even know me

[exotic apex]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-you-kiss-kisses-blowing-kisses-blow-kisses-gif-1919748813845257400

[spice spire]

It is

[lament glade]

i'm not to sure maybe? it makes like a weird sound then i get no cp for it

[cobalt sphinx]

I believe the buff is refreshed by any deaths, so player or staggered add deaths will increasee your damage taken

[royal lantern]

ye, parried

dont stand in front of enemys

5% chance to get parried, same for all melee dps

shit mechanic that should not exist in modern wow, but blizz is blizz

[lament glade]

ah i see ty

[cobalt sphinx]

Evasion and health pot and cloak should help but i haven’t really experienced that mechanic killing me unless players are also dying

[thin portal]

EU?

Zac will be outlaw. We still need a sub rogue

[short night]

on ST during m+, do you shiv before kingsbane? or no because you only have 1

[weary spear]

Tortured echoes happens after he casts final harvest, but it shouldn’t kill you unless paired with a necrotic bolt (assuming you feint). Also make sure to save shiv for each time he enrages, instead of for KB

[warm vortex]

ready for wedmesday

also

Solo tier 11 no deaths
literally had to use all Cds

every pull X)

[static glacier]

highkey

i think outlaw has to be the play

for that kinda content

evasion cd is super low for them

[warm vortex]

Define high keys

[static glacier]

not high keys

highkey

[warm vortex]

oH

[static glacier]

xdddd

[warm vortex]

im a fucking idiot

XD

[short night]

so if you dont have 2x shiv talent, do you always save your shiv for latter half of KB?

the tlaent i mea

mean

that gives u 2

[static glacier]

in st yes, in aoe it depends

[warm vortex]

Tbf

[short night]

i see. depends on what?

[warm vortex]

use it for latter half of KB

and most likely every trime its off CD otherwise

[static glacier]

well unless you take arterial precision shiv empower doesn't affect aoe

[warm vortex]

cause you can fit more shivs in

which means more damage

[static glacier]

and if shiv makes ur kb target die prematurely

[warm vortex]

It makes them take more nature no?>

[static glacier]

you've lost overall dps compared to not shiving at all

[warm vortex]

So it's a good idea to use it every 30sec outside of kings

right?

[static glacier]

shiv on aoe is kinda trash

[warm vortex]

cause you use it during kings, then while kings is on CD you get it back

[short night]

this is kind of vague, so do you rupture outside of IC throughout the fight?

[warm vortex]

still a good idea on splatter target no?

Normally

your targets will have rupture until they die

unless it's a chainpull or higher key

[static glacier]

yes, rule of thumb is if something would live 9+s it's fine to rupture it, you want to keep enough ruptures out for energy / scent of blood stacks

normally once your initial ruptures drop off and the pack isn't close to dying i'd say keep like 3 ruptures and 2x gar up

[warm vortex]

if they have a lot of health left, Vanish to reapply rup
if not save it
and if you encounetr a pull outside of stealth, just worry about getting 5 rups u

[gloomy heart]

i love parsing on normal for reps

[static glacier]

if the pack is dying I find sniping targets with DN envenoms is more rewarding

[short night]

got it okay ty (:

so off target garrotes are kind of worht it?

it says almnost never worth it

[static glacier]

it's worth it ONLY IF you're running out of energy

venemous wounds is where a lot of our energy comes from. we want to have enough energy to use a spell every global

so we spread bleeds in order to fuel that

outside of that rupture spreading matters more bc of scent of blood stacks, but gar is a lot lower commitment to spread since it's a generator

i'd say watch some high key pusher play packs and you'll see what I mean

casualaddict is a good example

[short night]

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plater script that changes plate color based on garrote/rupture missing

if anyone wnats it

just made this real quick based on another script i have

[short night]

oh okay this make sense. im not intimately familiar with all the talents yet

[runic hinge]

Korthia was goated don’t @ me

[drifting cloud]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/963967500171763843/1073733493479194624/attachment.gif

[balmy condor]

me

[thin portal]

Whispr

Can you help organize a 3 spec rogue dps race

[spice spire]

Hey king

[thin portal]

Zac for outlaw.
Tryar volunteered for sin
Hach declined sub so still need volunteer

[balmy condor]

what

[misty kernel]

@thin portal if it's the dummies in the city outlaw always wins

[balmy condor]

what is the point of this

[thin portal]

It will be a key

Just for fun

[balmy condor]

okay well good luck with that

[misty kernel]

XD

[ruby bolt]

Is it bad to blacklist most debuffs from plater except garrote/tempest/rupture

[balmy condor]

nop

can even blacklist tempest

[ruby bolt]

okie thank you

[balmy condor]

you're not gonna re-cast tempest if you're in like 8 target aoe and 6 have it and 2 are missing

so like

no point ya know

[ruby bolt]

yeah that makes sense

[sullen phoenix]

roger! ty a lot

[runic hinge]

Yeah so what

[foggy orbit]

wowhead says 2 dawnthread lining on crafted items, i cant equip the other one now, what am i missing? any info on this thx

[winter willow]

post armory or something

[foggy orbit]

also got crafted weapon with embelisment so i guess u can only have 2 embelishents total

[winter willow]

yeah

you solved your problem

[foggy orbit]

thx man for helping me think

any way to remove embelishment?

[winter willow]

yes

vanishing powder in the embellishment slot

forgot the exact name

[cobalt sphinx]

griftah's heavy duty

[winter willow]

but if you recraft, you can select it for the name

[rare horizon]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[warm vortex]

I want his heavy duty fr

Bro could sell someone air

[mortal sail]

my raid leader said to me that outlaw "looks like it is insane for that fight
Would love to see you on top of them meters!!" is he being nit picky or something i dont know? Princess Ky'veza mythic fight

[drifting cloud]

wcl stat watchers

[south drum]

Unless you know how to play it and got the gear you're not gonna top anything

[cobalt sphinx]

It’s good but you can just tell him you don’t have the gear or don’t know how to play it

[jovial idol]

Or the cocaine

[mortal sail]

not going to play it mistake free by a couple days yea or have the versatility ok he just looked at the top parse and doesnt know much about rogue

[jovial idol]

To play that spec

[mortal sail]

i dont think its anything insane enough to drop everything for

[south drum]

Not at all. You need a MH and Trinkets plus the 20% haste and vers

[cobalt sphinx]

Assassination is not really weak enough to swap

[mortal sail]

this ^

[warm vortex]

Yea

[cobalt sphinx]

It’s an execute class too so your damage will pick up on a kill pull

[mortal sail]

yea dude is smoking some outlaw kush

[thin portal]

We have that effect on people who learn outlaw

[mortal sail]

i enjoy outlaw but assas just simple enough for the performance it does lol

[gusty saffron]

Could anyone take a peek at this log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3Aq1b8kf6PZ7rFYX#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=26

Really trying to improve in the coming weeks

[warm vortex]

I feel like as a whole

Taking aoe and ST into account

They are pretty simmilar in skill?

[gloomy heart]

if i get normal dagger from kyveza and upgrade it fully i get the heroic appearance?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[gloomy heart]

fire

[shy creek]

Just from looking at casts, you're missing 3 shivs

[ornate wagon]

guys entering a pack sometimes why do i break stealth which is annoying then i cant open with the caranage talent?ty

[cobalt sphinx]

is 2 lethality over FI correct

[gusty saffron]

Thank you! I'm not really using shiv outside of KB and DM, or perhaps I missed them from what you're looking at. Do I save them for KB and DM or can I use outside?

[shy creek]

Are you running double shiv?

[gusty saffron]

Yes

[shy creek]

Nvm I lied, you did the right amount of shivs

LOL

Let me see if I can take a closer look

[cobalt sphinx]

still missed a few hits and ticks

shiv covered 3 hits and 30 ticks out of a possible 5 hits and 35 ticks of kingsbane

so that's a very slight damage loss

[gusty saffron]

Thank you so much! I'm really trying to improve. I'm looking through logs in prep for next week, but it's kind of hard to tell where I'm screwing up

[cobalt sphinx]

i ran forced induction

over lethality

not sure what's correct

[balmy condor]

forced induction should generally pull ahead

but it's pretty marginal

I've seen it be completely equal for some people and up to like 0.5% in favor of FI for others

kind of hit or miss

[gusty saffron]

I noticed people taking forced induction in some logs I'm looking at. I'm wondering if there is a change in rotation for it at all

[keen spruce]

i just use whatever papa whispyr puts on wowhead

and don't ask questions

[balmy condor]

nah

[keen spruce]

except for the trinket tier list

[balmy condor]

it just empowers the next finisher

[gusty saffron]

Okay, cool

[balmy condor]

asking questions is good

I am not infallible

[vale shore]

I just replaced a 619 Void Contract with a 619 Shadow Blade from delves today!

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

no question

only listen

[balmy condor]

question good

argue bad

[keen spruce]

question:

wanna grab a coffee some time?

[balmy condor]

like that shit the other day with CT on 2 and I say CT on 2 and then have to spend another 15 minutes explaining CT on 2

fuck that

[gusty saffron]

I'm also wondering if we always use tea twice on the opener. Should we also try to save a charge of tea for following KB and DM windows?

[balmy condor]

but "how many targets" ct on 2 "thanks"

love that

[balmy condor]

even better than that

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

just do that

[vale shore]

oh wow, I thought we only crimson tempest when the entire dungeons worth of trash is brought into a tight little ball for us

and even then, only once

[gusty saffron]

Thank you, Whyspyr!!

Should have seen that already...

[balmy condor]

tempest assumes a weather event, so I think it would be accurate lore wise for us to press crimson tempest at the start of a key and the entire dungeon rains blood like a biblical catastrophe, ticking all mobs until the end of the key

could be cool and definitely not op

[vale shore]

that would be a lot of packs pulled...

[balmy condor]

nah no aggro though

what are they gonna do

hit clouds?

[vale shore]

"It's raining blood! find that rogue!"

[balmy condor]

rename it to crimson monsoon

or crimson hurricane

[cobalt sphinx]

@gusty saffron are you finishing on 5 combo points? comparing to my rasha'nan it looks like you're building to 7 and cycling your deathstalkers mark much less than i was in my fight

[ornate wagon]

guys entering a pack sometimes why do i break stealth which is annoying then i cant open with the caranage talent?ty

[vale shore]

Crimson Tornado, to go with Shuriken Tornado for sub

[balmy condor]

just like a huge tornado tearing through the entire dungeon

steal the druid ability, increase size by 5000%

[gusty saffron]

Really curious about that actually. I think I'm building to 7. Should I be hitting on 5?

[vale shore]

"Focus for 3 seconds, then unleash a 400 yard radius Crimson Tempest"

[balmy condor]

gonna need more info than just "sometimes I break stealth"

could be any number of reasons

taking damage usually the first go-to

[vale shore]

having that shock buff from Rookery

that threw me through loop at the start of the expansion

thats going to come back next season and you are going to get complaints of it, mark my words!

[cobalt sphinx]

yes, just comparing your darkest night to mine -- you should try to cycle deathstalkers mark and darkest night much more often if possible

finish on 5, and then finish on 7 with darkest night

[gusty saffron]

Awesome, I think that's probably one of my problems, amongst others

[cobalt sphinx]

very high priority

[ornate wagon]

yo thanks for messaging bk its if the the tank pulls by a few seconds sometimes before i have chance to burst i drop stealth only happens 25% of the the time though,so taking dmg and what else can drop stealth please? ty

[royal lantern]

hey

are you ok?

[shy creek]

Question: how often do you guys drop envenom uptime to proc darkest night in m+

Is this a normal thing that happens? Or am I just playing like piss

^ For context I'm talking about St bosses that don't require me to reposition and lose uptime

Like first boss of stonevault

[lethal turtle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

it is a bit of a skill issue to drop envenom

m+ single target energy is pretty rough

[balmy condor]

yeah so you can get in combat by proximity, so if the tank pulls before you drop combat it can chain, we call it a chain pull

that's normal

[coral ibex]

but you just play very conservatively

[shy creek]

Yeah, I figure

[cobalt sphinx]

i think even the best players drop envenom but obviously it is something you want to avoid

[coral ibex]

sometimes you have to press mutilate 4 times to get 7 cp

[shy creek]

Idk what it is about single target M+, but for some reason I cannot fucknig get it down

[cobalt sphinx]

darkest night does technically give you 40 energy to help you build to 7 hahah

your single target is gonna suck no matter what

[shy creek]

yeah its a bit sad

[cobalt sphinx]

gingi's team posted a city 17 (edit: this is coaglamation)

check that gap

rogue under evoker

👍

enhance doing 50% more damage

rogue probably had to do a lap around the roomwith cloak and didn't get PI but that is still a dps canyon

[shy creek]

yeah the only place u have to make up dps in CoT is platform

bit of a pain

[ornate wagon]

ty so i just need to be faster getting to the pack yeah?

[balmy condor]

slower

if you're too close to the new pack

you get chained in

[ornate wagon]

thanks for that thats the problem then im going in to fast so let tank gather get aggro then go in yeah 🙂 if it ever happens and i cant open with the carange talent how should i open to get bleeds out fast if i have full cds ready pls?

no vanish either

[balmy condor]

well if you have no vanish just rupture 2-3 things for energy and go into your envenom spatter

but you should have vanish

holding vanish for situations like this is a good thing

[ornate wagon]

thanks so much for your help ❤️

[ornate wagon]

am i using the 4 correct poisons for m+ please deadly-amphliphying-crippling-numb? ty

[balmy condor]

yep that's fine

[ornate wagon]

awesome ty so much ❤️

[balmy condor]

np

[humble verge]

aint noway

they animated yakuza fiance

[delicate magnet]

hey guys, if i want to play with Master Assassin, do you recommend removing a point in Sudden Demise or Sanguine Blades?

[humble verge]

sim it and see whats better

[delicate magnet]

lol why didn't i think of that

kk ty

[humble verge]

also

im not even running either with MA

[delicate magnet]

i see people in super high keys not even running iron wire

[humble verge]

huh

[delicate magnet]

oo twist the knife?

how much DPS is that increasing?

[humble verge]

ttk is for ST

it helps on bosses

but also

sim that too xD

[delicate magnet]

gotcha, doing 11s and 12s rn

[humble verge]

thats what im running in 13s and 14s

might change TTK and see if anything is better

but i dont think so

[wheat tiger]

Sup guys! Anyone have an opinion on dps improvements for cycling targets for DOTs

[unborn wharf]

!stealth

!restealth

[wheat tiger]

Is it worth in multiple add packs?

[humble verge]

vanish to re-dot

oh

waiti read worng

i usually do uh

well depedning on the pack

[wheat tiger]

Like 3 targets?

[humble verge]

if its like a 10pack

[unborn wharf]

!chain

[humble verge]

i do more than just gar rup rup gar

[wheat tiger]

Yea like in M+

[humble verge]

i might do like

[unborn wharf]

anyone know the command that talks about restealthing

[humble verge]

gar fok rup

again

[wheat tiger]

Ok

[humble verge]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[humble verge]

xd

wait

!meld

idk

[humble verge]

but on 3 targets

i still usually just do gar rup rup gar

[unborn wharf]

i just want the copy pasta to tell my group its ok to chain with sin

[humble verge]

just for more uptime on the dots

[unborn wharf]

buti guess ill have to do the unthinkable and explain it in my own words

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rcpsSsd8ZK75Zm5HCroccu https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/huxSxizrTuaiiwM1YLwBU2
Hm... sd IS simming higher than running ttk but

[balmy condor]

not as much as one would think :P

the combo on bosses where TTK shines is with dashing

[humble verge]

hmmmm

[balmy condor]

cause it adds an insane amount of energy to dashing

[humble verge]

so SD would in sense be betterthen

[balmy condor]

probably

[humble verge]

maybe ive been stupid this whole time?

pogga

[balmy condor]

m+ is just endless sea of feelcraft

[humble verge]

true

like

[balmy condor]

ttk is probably still a gain in st

[humble verge]

at 13 keys

[balmy condor]

but like

[humble verge]

idk

[balmy condor]

not really that much

[humble verge]

yeah

honestly

after DM KB

im out of energy

[balmy condor]

people like to pretend like swapping demise for ttk is gonna save them 3 minutes on a key and be 100k more overall

[cobalt sphinx]

Just drop bonerspike and grab everything else

[humble verge]

nah i dont expect that

[balmy condor]

when in reality it'll probably save like 2 seconds on a boss and lose that amount in aoe

[humble verge]

bone spike

guh

[balmy condor]

and then the overall will be equal

[humble verge]

idk

maybe running double shiv could be a choice idk

you did make one for wowhead no?

[cobalt sphinx]

Or play whispyr’s shiv build

[humble verge]

...fatebound?

or does he have DM shiv

[balmy condor]

oh no no no

not the shiv build

the big bomba

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/sloppy-walrus-gif-25116103

[balmy condor]

build is lowkey ass

but it's dopamine cause you take arterial and ttk and forced induction

[humble verge]

yeah i never said i was gonna go it

saj

[balmy condor]

and then you shiv

and it crits the shiv and it does a mini kaboom

cause that's like a 3 mil shiv

[humble verge]

ohlmao

[balmy condor]

and then you have a 7cp darkest night

juiced to 10cp

and arterial so the targets are taking increased caustic dam

and then you big bomba

[humble verge]

sounds hot ngl

[balmy condor]

yeah it sounds hot until you realize it doesn't take shrouded or scent

[cobalt sphinx]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

cause like

it's a cleave build

takes the left side

and then it doesn't look so hot anymore

[humble verge]

D:

[cobalt sphinx]

the only thing i hate is that garrote only generates 1 cp

[humble verge]

just vanish

[balmy condor]

I think if you just move dashing to shrouded

it's probably better

but that's not thematic

[humble verge]

wait is it actually viable tto run dashing in general?

for keys

[balmy condor]

fuck no

[humble verge]

lmao

[static glacier]

if you want more st I guess?

[humble verge]

was expecting that

[static glacier]

its an aoe loss for sure

[humble verge]

yeah can see that

[balmy condor]

dashing is absolutely useless in aoe is the issue

like completely wasted talent point

[humble verge]

wait

i realised

[static glacier]

doesn't it translate to slightly more caustic damage

[humble verge]

the good sim i posted

it was SB

not SD

im tired

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess if you count 5% poison crit chance to more caustic

[humble verge]

man its 2am almost

[balmy condor]

then sure yeah

[static glacier]

issue is what we give up in capstone

area

[balmy condor]

you can kinda write off the poison crit chance for your caustic

but yeh

[static glacier]

if dashing was middle third I think it mighta had a chance

[balmy condor]

I think the real gain would be being able to do less bleeds

to still saturate

but that's way too esoteric

and rarely ever relevant

[static glacier]

would only really ever have value in mass aoe

[balmy condor]

well no

would have value in chain pulls and lower target counts

in mass aoe you just press vanish

[humble verge]

im just looking at bloodmallet

but is even ovinax egg that good

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

i feel there are so many better options

ok

[balmy condor]

ovi'nax egg is a bit janky

[humble verge]

but i would need to hav emore crit

[balmy condor]

but numerically insane

[humble verge]

or just keep mastery higher?

[balmy condor]

doesn't really matter

both good

[humble verge]

hm ok

[balmy condor]

whatever your highest is

[humble verge]

cause like

i did want to cheese trying to get the queen ring

pepe

but we didnt kill ovi on mythic this week...

so now i gotta kill another one

so maybe ill just try ovi and get egg

ill try SB and see if i can find any difference at all @balmy condor probably not

can you even see SB as a buff anywhere on details

or would i need to log it

🤨

[coral ibex]

even if ttk is mostly a wash as far as being an overall gain, it makes m+ ST feel better and that makes my mental in m+ better which is a W

[balmy condor]

Sanguine blades?

[humble verge]

yea

[balmy condor]

Blades is its own bar

Sudden demise is not

[humble verge]

hm ok

[balmy condor]

Blades actually deals damage

Cause it’s % of X

[humble verge]

yeye ofc

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise is just “things do more damage”

So that doesn’t show up in details

The execute part does do damage though, so that gets a bar

[humble verge]

maybe this has to be delayed until tomorrow

well, not getting any tanks in these keys i join xd

[exotic apex]

is it still a damage amp to attack from behind the enemy? or was that removed

[balmy condor]

There’s nothing that does that, no

[humble verge]

only ambush for sub

[exotic apex]

sweet so its gone

[balmy condor]

You can’t get parried from behind

[humble verge]

i believe?

[balmy condor]

So that’s good

[balmy condor]

Backstab*

[humble verge]

yeah i ment backstab

jesus

[balmy condor]

But I think they’re gloombladers

[humble verge]

gloomblade too then

yea

[balmy condor]

Gloomblade doesn’t have the positional

[humble verge]

oh

[balmy condor]

Backstab is increased from behind, gloomblade is just gloomblade

[humble verge]

just the extra damage?

hmk

ive forgor

last played sub in SL

when it was """"viable"""" for m+

[exotic apex]

sub was amazing in sl

wasnt it meta?

[humble verge]

well yeah

assa was on par

i swapped to assa mid mythic prog

[exotic apex]

this is my first time playing assasin

[humble verge]

cause it WAS better

[exotic apex]

ive only ever played outlaw

[humble verge]

but jeez

assa now

and then

whole different spectrum

[exotic apex]

yeah ive heard they fixed alot of things with it so im happy to be here again

i love rogue

its always just been really hard to play in the past

competetively i guess

or i should add

[humble verge]

eh

[exotic apex]

for me atleast

[humble verge]

hard and hard

rogue was easier before imo

with how theyve changed a lot of stuff

ive gotten used to it ofc

but like having to relearn assa took some time

im still not like

optimally good imo

can still improve

[exotic apex]

high skill ceiling, which is nice

this might be a dumb question, but what poisons do we run with the m+ build?

its letting me use 4?

[humble verge]

depend

i use DR

for high keys

so not this

[exotic apex]

the wound poison?

[coral ibex]

no

either atrophic or mind numbing

[humble verge]

atropic

is what im running

[exotic apex]

-__- i dont have those

[humble verge]

i feel DR is better for me

yeah you just uh

change a talent

:D

[spice surge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[humble verge]

^^

[exotic apex]

so should i not run the wowhead build?

its from october so i wasnt sure

[humble verge]

it really depends

im running DR

cause im doing 13/14 keys

a lodda damage

[coral ibex]

no idea whats on the wowhead build tbh

[runic hinge]

October is 2 weeks ago

[exotic apex]

looks like the M+ Hybrid build

[winged gust]

hey sorry whats DR again?

[spice surge]

You can freely move the utility points like numbing VS atrophic around

[humble verge]

damage reduction

[exotic apex]

damage reduc

[spice surge]

If you want atrophic, use it

[winged gust]

ty

[spice surge]

Atrophic is 3.6% dr for the entire group
Numbing is in practice mostly a 18% reduction for the tank from white hits

And it also slows casts, which ever one of those you feel is the most important, go with that one

[coral ibex]

slowed cast speeds is also good

that's the main reason i run it in m+

[winged gust]

can someone show me a DR builds please i might give it a shot

[spice surge]

literally

Just swap that talent

[winged gust]

oh literally just change numbing to atrophic?

[cobalt sphinx]

blackjack blind on cooldown and subterfuge iron wire garrote spam for enormous damage reduction

(nobody does this)

[gloomy heart]

armadillo was infront of my house

[exotic apex]

!macros

is there a macro cheat sheet?

i want the one for the tea

[cobalt haven]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[glad osprey]

What gems are ya'll

using

[exotic apex]

ty ❤️

[spice spire]

Whatever sims best.
For me was haste crit, and mastery vers

So that’s to say

All of them work

But depends on the profile

[novel star]

was in bed

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

good morning

[spice spire]

Without me?

[novel star]

babe u know u can join me whenever u want u don’t gotta ask…

plenty of room on this mattress

[humble verge]

@balmy condor so its a good 6% of my total damage in this 13 DB i did

[balmy condor]

Yepa

[humble verge]

i belive its pretty good

but like

[balmy condor]

And it eated some energy to do that

So

[humble verge]

true

[balmy condor]

It’s not really a RAW 6%

[humble verge]

yea

i feel like

[balmy condor]

Sanguine always looks inflated but it be like that

[humble verge]

dps couldve prolly been better overall maybe

was running with arms and fire mage lul

i need to get like proper key

with pumpers

to see if it is any good

[hushed tinsel]

yo gamers! shardyn's macro'd with deathmark or kignsbane? new rogue here. i know 2 min makes sense to line but wasnt sure

[coral ibex]

DM

[hushed tinsel]

ty!

[patent snow]

If we miss time our 2nd KB due to running between packs, etc, do we skip it? Or use it and delay DM by the delta?

[cobalt sphinx]

depends how long you're delaying deathmark but if it's only a few seconds you should be fine to use kingsbane

really gonna come down to your judgment

[gloomy hinge]

I NEED ASSITANCE, i cant get my fuckin feint to glow while active

for the duration, weak aura

[fathom cove]

when did the talent build for Court change? We dont play crimson tempest anymore?

[soft surge]

everyone did this pre 11.0.5 why not now

the black jack part anyway

[west crown]

wasnt supposed to have ct, Whispyr fixed it

[cobalt sphinx]

it's probably completely fine it just fell out of popularity

[tepid hearth]

as a rogue can i unroot myself from ansurek's web anyway other than cloak of shadows?

[balmy condor]

vanish

[runic hinge]

Vanish

[visual vault]

when playing ttk do i try to maintain just 1 stack of envenom if im trying to pool in single target or do i just SLAM IT™

[vast patio]

So before the changes, what made rogue soloing seem so bad? Right now assassination seems by far to be my most insane character for just clearing out dailies/wqs/delves via bleeds out of stealth.

But I didn't have it leveled and such before 11.0.5 so idk what was up.

[coral ibex]

rogue soloing didn't change

[vale shore]

someone boosts a rogue and tries it for a day in all boost greens then goes to the forums or discord to whine about how bad they are.

[vast patio]

Yeah I was told a bunch of bad things and I'm not really seeing it. Granted, I'd like to think of myself as a good rogue, but like

the pop dipping under monk was an eyebrow raiser

[cobalt sphinx]

are you doing t8 delves in 585 gear

[vast patio]

I ain't talking about me, just stuff I heard pre 11.0.5 when I considered going rogue a little after launch.

[cobalt sphinx]

that's where rogue is trash

doing t8 delves in auction house greens

[coral ibex]

before they made some changes you could literally stealth all the way thru some delves

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah for some of them

[vast patio]

Shoot, if we're talking delves, that's the one area my rogue somewhat struggles, in the sense that it's my only char that needs bran as a healer.

Stuff just weirdly chunks me.

everywhere else though? Gliding through.

[burnt zodiac]

somethin like this look right?

[gloomy heart]

What level

[burnt zodiac]

+9GB

farming trinket and ring

[gloomy heart]

Feel like CT is low

[burnt zodiac]

shit doesnt exist

prob is

also, should i run Iron wire>Sudden?

it did decent dam

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah iron wire is very good in gb

[gloomy heart]

I dont run sudden but thats my personal pref

whats your ilvl

[burnt zodiac]

620.75

i can send a quick sim

one sec

[gloomy heart]

dw abt damage until youre geared

[burnt zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xqxfqxUov12Lf7uJR8RB5f

Got ring upgrade in there, ill send new sim

[gloomy heart]

just gear up

then worry abt what ur doing wrong

[burnt zodiac]

i gotcha

so i shouldnt Ambush to open every pack?

only 1st pack or if mark runs out?

like darkest night

RN, say its a pack of 6, im doing this: Ambush>Garrote x2>Rupture x2>Mutilate/Ambush>Fan>Crimson tempest

then Fan - 5+ CP > Envenom

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cBGq9QwSder8ByLNPcfFoF This is new SIM

So one last question, thats my sim. If you were me, do i save up crests and upgrade belt/bracers (For embel mainly), or should i start upgrading my hero pieces

or myth trink

[novel star]

doing brd finally

why is this game so Bad

the immune shit on the seven steals ur mark

cant believe i got tricked into doing this raid from 1974

[vital ermine]

hello. i haven't played assassination for a while. Just got back to it and see that meta is now using subterfuge and mA for keys

[severe sparrow]

brood is awful and i wanna die holy shit

[vital ermine]

what is the opening rotation for subterfuge and MA?

is it the same?

[balmy condor]

yes

[pastel talon]

Is MA bugged? my buff bar says I have the 20% crit but my character panel doesn't show the increase 20%

[vast patio]

No need if you got the capstone proc from a previous pack, just make sure you slam a max cp envenom to get the mark out before it's gone.

[exotic apex]

do we ever use envenom in stealth

[shy heron]

I don't recall it ever changing your crit% since becoming a talent

When it was shoulders Lego I definitely remember it unless my memory is just cooked

[balmy condor]

they made it not character sheet crit in shadowlands

because character sheet crit works on items

like necrotic wake spears

and that was no good

[drifting vortex]

Noob here, does Assassin get energy starved?

[pastel talon]

in ST yes

Just suffer

[shy pecan]

Outlaw is the only rogue spec that doesn’t suffer from being energy starved (if you have very good uptime)

[slate crown]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[dapper cradle]

tune into whispyr's stream

3 hours of silken prog

grim bro, is that what the future holds

[coral ibex]

yes!

[rocky steeple]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[mild rock]

So are you able to shadowmeld -> stealth in m+?

[runic hinge]

Only on trash and pretty inconsistently

[mild rock]

i see

[cyan karma]

There’s a few attacks you can dodge with it… really good WA/soundcue out there for it too

https://wago.io/8hsRlCBTZ

[gloomy heart]

Yo thank everyone in here for the tips and advice on rogue. I feel like i’m slowly learning and actually improving and was very close to rerolling before but i’m glad i stayed on rogue, ty

Also, dwarf gang on top

[violet berry]

So is literally just auto attacking above 50% energy the only way to do single target I’m running out of energy fkin constantly

[balmy condor]

You don’t wanna go above 50% energy

But running out of energy is normal yes

[violet berry]

I worded it wrong but up to 50

[balmy condor]

I mean sure you can do that

[violet berry]

So it’s best to just let your dots tick and auto?

Seems like I’m just standing there

[balmy condor]

It’s best to use your energy as long as you’re not above 50%

[violet berry]

Above?

Or below

[balmy condor]

NOT above

You want to be not above 50%

[violet berry]

Ah nm

[gloomy heart]

LOL

[violet berry]

Wait why not above

I’m confused

Isn’t the goal to stay above 50

For sanguine

[balmy condor]

If it was worth having sanguine eat energy, yes

But it’s not worth

So no

[violet berry]

Ok so ideally just hover under 50

Interesting

[balmy condor]

Has nothing to do with hovering

You just don’t want to be above 50%

[violet berry]

So why are we using a talent but negating its effects

[balmy condor]

You tell me

[violet berry]

lol

[gloomy heart]

Tell em joe rogan !

[balmy condor]

Im not suggesting sanguine blades in any build

[violet berry]

Ok so I’m trolling

[balmy condor]

Only reason to take it would be cause it cranks in aoe

When you have infinite energy

[gloomy heart]

[violet berry]

So you don’t run it in keys?

[balmy condor]

I mean you can

Keys are majority aoe

Sanguine is aoe

Seems reasonable

[violet berry]

I’m having a really hard time on bosses in keys

[balmy condor]

But you were talking about single target

[violet berry]

Like in just not getting it

[balmy condor]

So taking sanguine seems kinda troll

I mean yes

[gloomy heart]

when’s the court kill whispyr, fight looks aids on mythic

[balmy condor]

Assa has hard time on bosses in keys

That is normal

[violet berry]

Do you guys macro tea to cds?

[gloomy heart]

no

[violet berry]

Wondering if I’m not conserving those fkin things enough by doing that

Ya maybe that’s a problem

[balmy condor]

Tea to shiv is good

[violet berry]

Heard

[balmy condor]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

We got a command for it

[violet berry]

I feel like auto drinking now is kinda troll

Wish that was an option

[balmy condor]

Auto drinking mathematically is totally whatever

[violet berry]

Would love to have three going into some of these bosses I feel

[balmy condor]

Realistically you’d speed up the key by not doing that

But that’s a long convo

[subtle tundra]

tea in aoe good

[gloomy heart]

Is it impossible to parse high now? I’m 630

[balmy condor]

That I’m not doing

[subtle tundra]

mastery pog

[gloomy heart]

did like a 85 parse earlier

[violet berry]

Lmfao

[gloomy heart]

what

[subtle tundra]

hawk tuah

[gloomy heart]

i’m a noob ofc my parse is low

[novel star]

blizzard has no idea what they’re doing with the spec

buff my bleeds man

[gloomy heart]

buff supercharger to give 20 combo points

[novel star]

what does that mean

why would it be impossible to parse high

[gloomy heart]

Feel like everyone with a high parse did it earlier in the season

[novel star]

you can simply get a top 5% parse by doing top 5% dps

[gloomy heart]

hmm yeah no

i can’t

[novel star]

hope this helps

[gloomy heart]

only in normal!

[novel star]

i just got my hc average to 99 in a boost this week and i fucked my ilvl a bit with early crest mistakes, shit doesn’t matter man just play the game

it is unlikely you played perfectly and got an 85

no one plays perfect

but you cant use gear to cope lol just press buttons better or get lucky with mechanics idk

[gloomy heart]

i will try tomorrow when clearing heroic

[novel star]

you can also be good but be in a shit guild

and that shit guild can either make your parses better or worse

depending on the boss

who cares

just kill them and smile and then kill the next one

[gloomy heart]

i have no guild

no one wants mcglizzy

[novel star]

then ur probably getting dogpiss kill times

with pug dogs

[gloomy heart]

Yeah probably

[novel star]

so ur parses are just nerfed as fuck

[gloomy heart]

Maybe i’m secretly the goat

[novel star]

i’m just cranky today i got bad sleep i am sorry.

[spice spire]

mb

[gloomy heart]

i think being 630 is good for me

i got 4 myth track items in vault

[novel star]

[gloomy heart]

i only have 2 myth track items equipped so i’m bound to get a upgrade

[novel star]

ddid you touch my butt quakey >.,<

[spice spire]

HUH

[novel star]

my bad man

i’ll lock in

[gloomy heart]

myth track skardyns last week

idk what i want this week

[spice spire]

Some bitches

[gloomy heart]

Luckily i got one ☝️

is myth track sikran neck even worth taking

[golden loom]

I would snap take it personally

[rotund oak]

if u put supercharger on 20cps outlaw is gonna destroy every class in the game

just sayin'

and sub would be banned for life from arena

[gloomy heart]

LOL

[rotund oak]

sub FW combined with so many combo points would kill everyone through every defensive in the game

it doesnt matter

[subtle tundra]

❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌ ❌

dont need hurdles in my life

[languid yoke]

is there any Big difference between fatebound vs Deathstalker.

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah deathstalker good fatebound bad

we timed a couple keys today

840k dps on EDNA

let's fucking go

[languid yoke]

it do look intresting. but i guess i could try em both.

[cobalt sphinx]

fatebound is really only competitive numerically on PURE single target and there's only two of those situations in the whole game right now and it's still weaker defensively

i htink

[languid yoke]

[hollow gazelle]

fatebound is a massive dps loss unless its pure st

[languid yoke]

so it's raiding?

or pvp

[hollow gazelle]

most of the raid isnt pure st

[languid yoke]

so pvp?

[hollow gazelle]

thats a question for people who do pvp lol.

[languid yoke]

Touche.

[patent snow]

So double vanish is the recommended build fire M+ now?

[vast patio]

At least subterfuge.

But there's a lot of viable sin builds

[feral wasp]

only time you could consider playing fatebound was week 1, you would see its shit and go with ds

[coarse aurora]

Man pugs suck lmfao. Trying to do some keys for vault on my rogue and am out dpsing people 30 ilvls above me

pain

[oak tangle]

You’re meant to out dps the tank though

[coarse aurora]

I just want to get my vault done dud. It's so extruciating not having a group to run keys with

[royal lantern]

when they say "you do tank dps" but the tank is a prot paladin

[coarse aurora]

Is the prot dps in the room with us?

Fotm rollers in pugs are crazy

[uneven plume]

How much are 70 +8s?

😂

[coarse aurora]

Doing 95k on the boss at his ilvl was the point where I knew it was doomed

[misty bough]

any gamers online for a quick question?

[gloomy heart]

what key level

[misty bough]

I currently got^ and working on recrafting my shoes now to 636, i do have a spare mythic dagger so i was thinking of replacing the off hand

[coarse aurora]

5 DB. This is my alt

[misty bough]

think its worth replacing off hand and putting emba on feet or nah

I ran the sim, seems like not

[high walrus]

does the wallpull in mists before 2nd boss work as same as the first wallpull at the start of the maze

as in you need a pet or something to get around LOS

I feel like I've seen non pet classes do the second pull

[misty bough]

I think this may be the worst discord to ask for the wallpull with our limited range lmao

[high walrus]

yeah I wasn't sure where else to ask, I just know there's a bunch of m+ gamers here

[cobalt sphinx]

Idk i've only ever seen it or done it with a pet, once upon a time I think frost dks could do it with frostwhelp but I haven't been able to do it

[misty bough]

ive seen alot of classes do it

druids, hunters, warlocks are the first that comes to mind

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah hunters and locks it's free with the pet, druids I think you can lunar beam from out of LOS

I know there was something where you would lunar beam last boss of NW and snap up the gauntlet guys

[misty bough]

druid tree can prob do it, shaman pets too i bet

[high walrus]

windwalkers can do some freakshit for the first one

[misty bough]

Complete off topic question, does anyone know what happens if i remove my mining and get alchemy, will i have all my 142381841 skill points if i get it back in the future or is it big gone?

[midnight mist]

if you are of very small size you can pull trough wall with a 40 yard ability

[glad osprey]

question guys

when gearing is it ok to have 4/5 set piece as long as u get the set bonus

or do u get any bonuses for having a full 5/5

[subtle tundra]

4

[normal mist]

4 is the goal indeed

[glad osprey]

Alrighty so I won't bother upgrading a 5th

ty

wanna make sure I save so I can convert more mythic pieces as i get them

[blissful pecan]

can anyone share their secondary stats and their 3min dps sims on target dummies plz?

wanna try out some sims

[subtle tundra]

🤨

[normal mist]

Weird

[jade abyss]

that we skip ironwire for m+ depends on setup right ?

[normal mist]

Yes

[cobalt sphinx]

with what build

[blissful pecan]

ST build

[rotund oak]

wdym 3min sims

[normal mist]

A lot of weird requests

[blissful pecan]

notthing special, just wanna compare my dps with other assa settings

[normal mist]

Why

[jade abyss]

thanks bcs see the guys skip ironwire and ttk for saguine blades and sudden demis thats ehy i ask

[rotund oak]

also hi there 🫶

[blissful pecan]

i dont have crit settings

sub gears

[subtle tundra]

the setup being the team you play with

and the dungeon

[blissful pecan]

wanna check out how much differece it makes on dps

[rotund oak]

sin doesnt rly care about secondary stats and sub gear works just fine,can confirm,im running sub gear on sin perfectly

[normal mist]

I always pug so I never talent out of it