assassination

[warm vortex]

ok yea big envenom lmao

but no Sbs

feels bad

[lavish geyser]

what was overall?

[warm vortex]

Fucking super shit

[lavish geyser]

XD

[warm vortex]

had a tank that wiped us like 4 times

1.5Mil overall XD
I had to solo 2 guessing game phases

me tank heal

because other 2 dps died

[grim jay]

The damage is always worth and you get either 2 or 3 Cp with the fok

[lavish geyser]

cause of crits?

[warm vortex]

Highest enven crit was 20 million tho

[grim jay]

1 fok 1 CTW 1 crit

[warm vortex]

so thats juicy

[lavish geyser]

how is that even possible? you tanked boss and killed add?

[warm vortex]

No

i said

me tank heal

as in
solo dps it

[lavish geyser]

oh

nice 🙂

[grim jay]

That boss has the funniest things

[warm vortex]

If it was higher than a 10

it would be easier as shit lives MUCH longer

[grim jay]

Had to evasion tank and brez the tank there

Quite some times

[coral ibex]

make it make sense chat

[lethal arrow]

spatter is very good

[coral ibex]

no im talking about the envenom max hits

[lethal arrow]

oh well

[coral ibex]

i have a higher non-crit max envenom than a crit

[lethal arrow]

just dont get parried

maybe u got parried on the giga hit

[warm vortex]

Is wax on both weapons still bugged

[wraith girder]

!wa

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[spare cargo]

@lethal arrow can you get parried in dungeons ?

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor yo do i have gooner energy

[thorn fjord]

[hidden depot]

whats a good build for lower M+? wowhead or icyveins

[thorn fjord]

You're a refined gentleman @ebon notch

[spice spire]

Yes

[knotty radish]

Hello again n00bies

[crimson zephyr]

I got boralus one 2nd or 3rd try and I didnt care about it

[lavish geyser]

thats the system

[crimson zephyr]

I didn't suffer enough yet to unfocus >.<

a teddy bear made more dmg than me 😦

[ebon notch]

wth

[warm vortex]

Normal build makes much more sense

lul

[proper seal]

what do people generally give up for iron wire?

master assassin or sanguine blades?

[final star]

master assassin

[coral ibex]

sanguine

[final star]

[limber lion]

Sudden Demise

Could also drop SBS but I like the talent and the qol it brings so I'm never dropping it

[final star]

dropping sbs does allow you to get everything else too

[coral ibex]

i simply do not untalent iron wire

[final star]

don't need iron wire in every key

[coral ibex]

yOu DoNt NeEd It In EvErY kEy

[final star]

Haters gonna hate

[coral ibex]

yea you really need that 1% dps

[blazing pumice]

it's more than 1%

[final star]

way more

[blazing pumice]

look at how much you are losing by dropping sanguine for it

it's like 5%

[safe shale]

Wild question, and ive asked it before but need some clarity. The vault, can it contain loot from any boss youve ever killed, or is it from only the bosses youve killed THAT week, AND OR is it different in mythic and heroic?

Eg, I got ovinax egg trinket this week, despite not killing ovinax last week.

However if i farm hc 1-6, can i still get queen ring?

Weird, but digest it

[blazing pumice]

yes

[mint urchin]

Ever killed, not just that week

[coral ibex]

you have to have killed the boss at least once

on that difficulty

[crimson hill]

twist the knife or sudden demise?

[safe shale]

So in that note, if i killed hc queen week one, i never have to kill her again for her ring to show in my vault?

[mint urchin]

Correct

[final star]

yuh

[safe shale]

Thats insane

[warm vortex]

Sim

[coral ibex]

not really, the loot pool is very large with 8/8 killed

[safe shale]

Yeah but wasnt asking that

[warm vortex]

?

[safe shale]

Doesnt matter, cleared it up

[warm vortex]

“That’s inane”
“No here’s why”
“Shut up”

Kk mb

[safe shale]

No xD

Didnt say that

[warm vortex]

Also Ik this sounds like cope but depends on your comp
I feel like with prot pally and a group stun it’s enough to get by

Sure soemtimes you need more and yes IW is good in keys

[wraith girder]

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[warm vortex]

But there are moments you can safely drop it depending on group comp and dungeon

[coral ibex]

i have never been in a key where increasing my overall by 5% was the difference between timing it and depletion

iron wire utility is always useful

[warm vortex]

I have

[coral ibex]

what key have you depleted with 0 deaths

this season

[warm vortex]

Ik that sounds like a counter argument w nothing with it but I can remember once or twice

[mint urchin]

It was changed that way because people were target farming bosses in early DF and blizz didn't like it

[warm vortex]

None, but it was an ara we overtime’s by like 1 or 2 seconds with our deaths being 1st boss

[blazing pumice]

dropping iron wire i think is only really a thing for high keys

[coral ibex]

yea i'm literally never going to untalent iron wire until i deplete a key with 0 deaths

[blazing pumice]

if you are just doing a weekly 10 no leavers then keep it

[warm vortex]

Fairs

Personally if I have a prot pally and go to SoB mainly

I untalent

Cause sob doesn’t have many casts compared to like
SV

[mint urchin]

I genuinely feel at times in pugs it has little value as some one just instant slams AOE stun 1sec into pull

But I still run it

[warm vortex]

In SV I’d take IW 100% of the time

But for SoB I don’t take it unless I really don’t trust the pug group

[mint urchin]

I don't think it's worth in SoB, the first half the dungeon only has one caster in any group

[warm vortex]

Had an NW where we had 5 aoe stuns (I think, priest has one right) and nobody but me used it (was on arms at the time)

We also had a tank that didn’t know how to route

True

[mint urchin]

And second half is mainly just the lizard casters

[warm vortex]

Tbh
The banana section is the only time you might need it there

[coral ibex]

unless a mob is literally silence immune, it can be iron wired even if it never casts anything

and will be DR'd as a result

SOB mobs hit like a truck maybe its just me

but that DR is good

[celest helm]

Anyone know if this is actually any good if you have a paired partner with the same ring in keys

not entirely sure how to sim it properly

[blissful cosmos]

yo is there a talent that i dont have that makes it so your not low on energy in deathsmark in mytic plus build i dont have casue im low on energy on death mark in single target

[lethal turtle]

Its pretty close to what we would run anyways in a m+ scenario

[celest helm]

you should not be low during CDs ever, you gain energy based on bleed ticks

[celest helm]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAziHwsNDAAAAAAttMzMMzMGzMzysMmZwMzMzgxMbWGzAsZWGYALBLDTghFA

[hasty spade]

Would u guys say skardyn+ dead eye or skardyn + transmitter( hate the minigame tho xD)

for m+

[molten flicker]

if u hate minigame it's easy right?

[hasty spade]

Love/hate relationship

[molten flicker]

I never used either but I would choose dead eye because it's not on use

[spice spire]

Hey babe

[celest helm]

i am so back

[spice spire]

The prot pal arc is joever? god bless

[molten flicker]

depends on the adds

in db 2nd boss u dont vanish for them

just ct and fok off them

[real pike]

sometimes I vanish to spread bleeds for energy even if they won't last that long

but that might be NAUGHTY

[molten flicker]

I'd say most of the time that's a waste of a good cd

but who am I

[real pike]

I mean I'm not really using vanish for anything else, not running MA/sub and it's usually up again soon after the fight anyway

[coral ibex]

if you run WAT then its probably fine

[real pike]

but I am massively bad at games so

WAT?

[coral ibex]

CT snapshots the target count on cast so casting it with little guys up is good

[molten flicker]

wet ass tits

[coral ibex]

so even if all the little shitters die, it will still tick on the boss for 5 target damage

[real pike]

I always have those, sweat is real

[coral ibex]

without a trace, +1 vanish charge

[real pike]

oh that's common enough to get an acronym now?

gross

[coral ibex]

everything gets an acronym

im not typing out "without a trace" every time

[real pike]

you just did th

tho

hehehehe

[coral ibex]

IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN

i can say something like "-sb -sd +ttk +ma -leth -sc +wat"

and it makes sense

[hasty spade]

i like to put 1-2 ruptures if im starved

even without vanish

[real pike]

shadow blades and shadow dance are sub abilities bro

[slate crown]

yeh but they all call it blades and dance

not sb sd

[real pike]

fack

[coral ibex]

the context clues of you are in #assassination would tell you im talking about assa talents

[real pike]

my amazing joke in the dust

[coral ibex]

sanguine blades and sudden demise

[slate crown]

DUST?

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[real pike]

of decay?

[feral crag]

is TTK in the M+ build now?

or is it still the hybrid build on wowhead

[blazing pumice]

no

[coral ibex]

there is no "the m+ build" rn

talents are balanced enough that you have a wide variety of choice

if you want to take ttk for more ST damage then take it

[molten flicker]

ttk should be more dmg than lightweight shiv for general m+ right?

[coral ibex]

yea i've never heard of an m+ build taking lightweight shiv

[pearl steppe]

the quest actives block my WA

anyone know how i can move that?

[molten flicker]

just move it

[sturdy niche]

Edit mode

[pearl steppe]

i am in hud edit mode but it doesntmove

its' like stuck in place

[fickle light]

is it worth doing the craft bug for rings or did they fix it?

[molten flicker]

it is worth if u are bug abuser

[pearl steppe]

had to tick extra ability

thanks

[blissful cosmos]

is sanguine blades better then sudden desmise in keys?

[keen spruce]

finally 14 cot done

[ripe bobcat]

which bug?

[ripe bobcat]

if you use elvui etc u have to do it there

[keen spruce]

so based

[humble verge]

poggies

[keen spruce]

delete it on shadowplay and send him the clip

[humble verge]

i never use my sacbrood

[coral ibex]

huh

oh

[spice spire]

Common bit tbh

[coral ibex]

sorry i am enjoying substances between keys rn

[humble verge]

gooner

i ment goner

shit

[coral ibex]

https://imgur.com/vuQ0ZEz

[humble verge]

goated

actually

[spice spire]

Ur cooked

[humble verge]

ill show you cooked

[spice spire]

I’m waiting

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/sata-andagi-osaka-azumanga-daioh-explode-funny-gif-5782905220078759346

i got cooked

[spice spire]

[coral ibex]

[keen spruce]

finally

[spice spire]

Mental Illinois

[humble verge]

bro reached the cutoff

now to keep it going until like

[spice spire]

Casual btw

[humble verge]

same

im only like 3k

sadge

SV13 beating my ass fr fr

[keen spruce]

i'll have u know

my 3200 key was with a fury warrior and a WW monk

[slate crown]

[keen spruce]

very casual

group

and 15 seige was with a devoker

and 15 ara was with a ferald druid

[humble verge]

im happy i managed to time 2 13s without hero

[keen spruce]

that is actually kinda based

[humble verge]

nothing wrong with feral druids

but also

we were a full premade

[keen spruce]

except their damage

[humble verge]

and used drums

so that helped

slightly

i straved my way through trying to do 12 gb

then i do that 13 with them

and we just roll it lol

[keen spruce]

oh wait i lied i had a fury warrior for ara

[humble verge]

is fury still capped

[keen spruce]

getting 13gb early is big stonks for pugging

[humble verge]

yeah

like

the premade was a funny combo too

[keen spruce]

gb 13 was my 2nd 13 timed

[humble verge]

me, fury, ret, mist and guardian

[keen spruce]

bonk comp

[humble verge]

first we did 13 gb then 13 siege

without problems lol

[keen spruce]

just needs a surv hunter

[humble verge]

we wanted to do 14 siege with a random

but like

tank just died on pull LMAO

idk she said she did what she usually did idk

and enhance just dipped cause of it idk

kinda cringe ngl

[keen spruce]

the bombers in first pull of siege are spoopy

[humble verge]

didnt check what killed

but she also wanted the caster/whisper or whatever

on the pull

[keen spruce]

if they double up on someone they're probably dead

[humble verge]

tricks pulling those

[soft surge]

@balmy condor whats the best whole raid log analyzier? (if you belive in them

like wipefest etc

[humble verge]

wowanalyzer works well

wipefest too

wowanalyzer is also per user

seeing what you do good or bad

[soft surge]

i want raid wide mostly

for ovinax

[humble verge]

wdym by "raid wide"

like

[cerulean burrow]

are stats important for our damage?

[soft surge]

well is it bad to be getting molested by the affixiated worms and whoes getting molested the most by them

[coral ibex]

you definitely want stats

having stats is better than not having stats

[humble verge]

wipefest shows you this

[soft surge]

will check it

[humble verge]

though i think you need sub

[soft surge]

yeaaa

[humble verge]

for it to show most of it

in detail

[soft surge]

i saw that

[cerulean burrow]

well I only ask becasue im item level 611 in outlaw gear with lower il daggers and im doing like 1.8 mil bursts should i be doing more ?

[humble verge]

if your raidlead/raider in your team has it

[cerulean burrow]

i feel like i may be doing the rotation wrong

[humble verge]

they can link it to you

[soft surge]

checking sub price

nah i wanna have my own personal one

[humble verge]

prolly like 5 bucks

ah

[balmy condor]

outside of wipefest telling you that people died or whatever it does I don't know of any

[soft surge]

we have some padlords in our raid

[balmy condor]

but idk

wipefest is pretty pointless imo

[humble verge]

if you arent padding

youre doing something wrong

on ovi

: D

[soft surge]

is it worth getting badly molested by the adds tho

for extra pad

[humble verge]

just like

run around the boss

while you do damage

if youre running the WA way

it should show your fixate on you

[balmy condor]

how are your adds alive long enough to infest

[humble verge]

by a direct pointer

[soft surge]

it aint me

[balmy condor]

also ovi'nax isn't a part of all stars

so whats it matter

[soft surge]

why dont we play st spec then

[balmy condor]

we do

[soft surge]

let war and or dh do the aoe?

[balmy condor]

yes

[soft surge]

out best is 20%

[humble verge]

dh?

[soft surge]

using ct and co

[balmy condor]

correct

[humble verge]

you guys dont have dks and palas?

[soft surge]

we have them too but idk we wiping at 20%

[humble verge]

it was just a rhetorical question but

[shy creek]

whispyr cold blood testing?

hmmm

[soft surge]

ill investiaget further with wipefest

[balmy condor]

did.... you look at the hero talent?

[soft surge]

cold blood foutbound is so chill

[shy creek]

Oh

[soft surge]

i wish it was bis

[shy creek]

nope

Never play fatebound LOL

[soft surge]

in st raid its chill

can be hard chillin and rando get good rng and do huge dam

[humble verge]

ive wanted to test fatebound

but have just let it sit there

[balmy condor]

yeh you like

kinda need cold blood

[soft surge]

do it in heroic

[humble verge]

who raids heroic anymore

[soft surge]

or any farm boss

[humble verge]

nah

i gotta get my logs up lmao

[humble verge]

only orange log i have is on sikran

[soft surge]

silkran and princess etc all fine for foundbount

[umbral sigil]

PUMPERS ONLY

[balmy condor]

yeh I play fatebound on kyveza

[humble verge]

wait so with this, CB is not used on mut, only envenom?

as an example

[balmy condor]

you press cold blood

it will not consume

until you envenom

[humble verge]

well

thats great

[balmy condor]

I mean it's whatever

it's about the flips

not the envenom

[humble verge]

yeye

[balmy condor]

but yeh

[humble verge]

im sitting here thinking if im gonna slave myself through another 13 sv try

[balmy condor]

every kyveza kill I have

is fatebound

[humble verge]

cool

[balmy condor]

good hero talent

[humble verge]

oh youre also orc

feel most are nelf or belf

[keen spruce]

orcspyr

[soft surge]

nelf supreme

[keen spruce]

i'm still velf from razegath

someone send me 25 sheckles

[soft surge]

might go velf if the hype is real next patch

[balmy condor]

I was void elf but week one I couldn't queue dungeons with a friend, and the friend has unobtainable collectables that would go away on race change, so she's forced to play horde

[shy creek]

Is fatebound any worth learning

[balmy condor]

so I swapped orc at the start of the expac

[shy creek]

Im mostly a mythic+ person to begin with

[balmy condor]

probably not then

it's bad when there's more than 1 target

[humble verge]

oof

might try fatebound for raid

idk

atleast ulgrax and sikran/rashanan

[slate crown]

There are unobtainable collectables that go away on race change?

[balmy condor]

you'd have to ask her

I'm way out of my depth on collectables

[humble verge]

probably old stuff

thats not obtainable anymore

[slate crown]

I would assume so just seems odd if it would actually go away once collected oh well

[balmy condor]

ATT thing

[soft surge]

theres nothing to learn with fatebound

in raid

[balmy condor]

faction changing to alliance un-checks horde only quests for example

[humble verge]

^

[balmy condor]

and when your quests look like this

losing quest completion

is a bit rough

[humble verge]

now thats impressive

[sonic raven]

sanguine does so much dmg, sucks to lose it for silence

[humble verge]

run SB over ironwire

i dare you

:D

[novel star]

it’s bis on horror also

dsm aids on that fight sometimes

[crisp blade]

Based on my sim, removing scented blood generally improves dps in keys, and I think this is a talent that works well mainly on lower keys that target dies too quickly? At what key level in general it is worth swapping out the scented blood? Thanks!

[humble verge]

why would you ever remove it

[gloomy heart]

how long did it take yall to get good at rog

[humble verge]

its literally a core talent

in m+

[humble verge]

took me like 3 weeks to get back into being a good rogue after leaving in SL

but i still think i can improve everywhere

[novel star]

depends on some definitions, i started playing sin in bfa but i was casual as fuck until now and didn’t touch it all of df

[humble verge]

i have actually played somewhat sub-par at all the specs since starting in legion

[novel star]

but it took like a few pre raid weeks of target dummies i guess

idunno

every class is easy

if you mean like using ur utility in m+ good then it prolly shouldn’t take very long if ur thinking about it at all

we pretty simple there

[humble verge]

ive become more prone to using defensives at higher keys lul

never really used feint

Xd

energy waste amirite

[novel star]

i mean yea

in low keys defensives r cosmetic

[humble verge]

literally have to use feint on first boss SV

in the keys im doing

or else im literally 1hp

[raven sonnet]

Not worth removing it

[humble verge]

only place removing SoB is in raid/ST

[gloomy heart]

i have exp on rog as sub/assa in pvp not much in pve

[novel star]

should be fine then idk

[gloomy heart]

this all i got so far

[blissful pecan]

how should i manage energy when doing ST bosses?

do i just wait out until energy charges pressing notthing

[marsh falcon]

spam during cds, try to keep up envenom on the last second when coolies are down is what im trying atm

its hard tho i often find myself energy starved

I just try to build up energy for the next kingsbane and then the same for the next dm/kingsbane

[novel star]

waiting for envenom to be in pandemic is pretty much it

true traditional pooling is like dead

or close to dead at least

[marsh falcon]

i do try to pool before cds tho innit

[novel star]

it barely matters

[novel star]

i mean you can

but it’s not like

as impactful as it used to be

[marsh falcon]

[novel star]

dm you don’t need to because you have dm energy anyway, “pooling” to like maybe 100 for kb is alright

but

[blissful pecan]

so the opener is ambush - garrote - rupture - fan of knives - ambush - evenom -> kingsbane rotation right?

[novel star]

the pooling happens between every envenom lol

[blissful pecan]

and then i go into normal rotation where i keep up bleeds and evenom buff

[novel star]

sure

or ambush garrote fok rupture

if the ambush doesn’t crit

[marsh falcon]

i cut out the inital fok to get the enven rolling earlier

[blissful pecan]

and when should i use vanish on bosses

do i just press it with kingsbane rotation

[marsh falcon]

vanish to renew garrote

[novel star]

this is outdated ^

and the low cp envenom thing is also really bad don’t do that

you vanish for master assassin at the end of kingsbane

last 6s or 12s based on no subt or 2/2subt

that vanish is also always applying an improved garrote but you care more about ma than imp gar

[marsh falcon]

[blissful pecan]

wait so i vanish when kingsbane duration is at ~6 seconds?

[novel star]

yep

[blissful pecan]

to enhance kb dmg?

ok i see

[novel star]

you want those stacked up ticks to crit

big dam

[marsh falcon]

whats your single target opener dps?

[blissful pecan]

i should make up an weakaura where it highlights shiv at 8 secs and vanish at 6 secs

[novel star]

idunno i think i get like 3.2mil or something in lust burst on kyveza

[marsh falcon]

no lust

im talking about on a dummy

[novel star]

i do not know my dummy dps

[slate crown]

!wa LE Collection has a bar that shows when you use those abilities

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[blissful pecan]

whats pandemic for garrote/rupture/evenom?

is it 3 secs

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[gloomy heart]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[blissful pecan]

do i always evenom right before going into kingsbane rotation

for the buff

[proud rune]

Any tips on targeting? Having troubles targeting.

[feral crag]

what is the best build for 10+ at the moment? feels super rough on boss single target in keys

and sims are only saying i'm doing 1.05m at 625 ilvl

[blissful cosmos]

how come on last boss of siege of barulus i do tank damage

[cobalt sphinx]

assassination single target in dungeon builds is terrible

[novel star]

yeah

[novel star]

wdym like in packs? try a mouseover macro for ur bleeds maybe

[novel star]

cause that boss sucks

you can multidot tho

if you want

but it’s just a shit boss

[soft surge]

!wa

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[keen spruce]

[graceful heart]

out of no where, tanks keeping chaining mobs that are sub 15% hp to the next pack and I want to SCREAM.

[graceful heart]

yea, wait until you're 30 GB runs deep LOL

[vapid geode]

is it required to have envenom buff before kingsbane? is it a dmg loss?

[proud rune]

That's a great idea. Ty.

[crisp blade]

Based on my sim, removing Sudden Demise generally improves dps in keys, and I think this is a talent that works well mainly on lower keys that target dies too quickly? At what key level in general it is worth swapping out the suddne demise? Thanks! (reposted as i messed up an ability name in my original question) The attached is showing the "strongest" dps build i got sim in dslice.

[slate crown]

!mute @quasi stump 24h Take some time to think about why we don't say things like that in this discord.

[mint urchin]

There isnt really a key level, Sudden Demise also gives a flat 10% bleed dmg buff so it can still be worth it. Its more what you prefer as the damage between talent options is fairly competitive.

[muted totem]

Idk if we can sim sudden demise

[spice surge]

Sim doesnt account for the execute ye

Because you cant really model it

[crisp blade]

ah ok...

[spice surge]

Unless youre doing really low keys most of the power comes from the +10% bleed damage though

[crisp blade]

i am trying to do well in the 13-14 range at the moment

[crude anvil]

!fuu

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[spice surge]

Its usually like 1-1.5% or so in higher than weeklies

But it obviously depends

[crisp blade]

what would be your recommendation for me to do 12-14 say

[mint urchin]

The build you posted does well in the 12-14 range, but you would likely want to run Iron Wire for utility

[spice surge]

Whatever you feel like

The differences are minimal and theyre all fine options

[lucid silo]

iron wire is life

[crisp blade]

thinking whether i shall take twist the knief vs. sanguine blades vs.master assassin

i got the sense that my st in key boss is a bit low

[mint urchin]

IMO I would drop Sanguine and get Iron Wire and just run that build

unless you have a coordinated voice group

even then

[lucid silo]

are you pugging or running with a static group

[crisp blade]

mainly pugs

[lucid silo]

yeah have iron wire

its OP

[upper oak]

i have a skardyns and transmitter. currently skardyns is macrod into deathmark. what should i put the transmitter with?

[lucid silo]

i run MA and i swap SD and TTK depending on how im feeling

[mint urchin]

Whatever you want, odd minute KB windows? Ideally you would have 1 on use and one passive

[novel star]

Dude why do i fucking miss the entertaining people always

leave for 30 min and i miss a mute

[nova aspen]

any log enthusiasts can help me diagnose?

[novel star]

@ makeitquake

but fr just link it

wassup

[nova aspen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DjcF41kdQTvBZXPy#fight=53&type=damage-done&source=446

not sure, i thought i played well, minus some uptime dodging lines

on myth princess

[novel star]

strange low cp envenom at the start

and the 2nd shiv is real late

[nova aspen]

yea i goofed the opener slightly

on that pull, the kill pull ofc

normally its clean

96% env uptime

[novel star]

2 stack envenoms look kinda ugly

not terrible tho and i dont think it really matters that much

[nova aspen]

im not tracking that, prob why its bad

xD

[novel star]

having 2 stacks is like

more energy, 10% envenom buff

kb buff technically but that doesnt really matter too much since ur mashing during kb for shiv anyway

[nova aspen]

idk, im doing really good damage in keys, timed 2 15s this weekend

[novel star]

2/2 lethality is kinda strange afaik

[nova aspen]

what should it be?

thought igrabbed the wowhead guide one

!guide

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[novel star]

you also didnt vanish properly on the 2nd cd set

youre vanishing pre dm for imp garrote instead of last 6s of kb for MA

[nova aspen]

ahhh

[novel star]

consistently late on shivs

youd rather overcap combo points by shivving at 7 or whatever to get 100% coverage on kb

[nova aspen]

her lines come out mid shiv/kb

[novel star]

than drop shiv on kb to avoid the overcap

[nova aspen]

so i wonder if holding is better

[crude wraith]

What’s the target count to start maintaining CT?

[novel star]

only some

ive been holding for like 2 seconds on the 2nd set of charges

when solo kb comes back up

to confirm if i get marked or not

still proggign this boss

but regardless

youre consistently losing shiv uptime in ur cds

[coral ibex]

do u raid again this week

[novel star]

me? no

2 day guild

[coral ibex]

ahh

[novel star]

kyveza maybe dies on tuesday reclear

[coral ibex]

unlucky

[novel star]

surely

or at least def dies on wed

[coral ibex]

hopefully

[novel star]

i mean

we played like shit this week and still got ovinax in 5 pulls

so getting back there should be fine

and the boss is at 3.8%

[coral ibex]

like half the raid was not in for the ovinax kill

so reclear is gonna be funny

[novel star]

yea

[coral ibex]

we have been going kyveza after rash

[novel star]

bringing in new players on kyveza seems fine

cause its just like

if u have good fundamentals u just do the thing and it dies

ovinax is strat hell

[nova aspen]

i like the fight more than brood at least

xd

[novel star]

yea its way more fun

[nova aspen]

i had input lag on brood

it was cancer

[hollow river]

2 iirc

[coral ibex]

kyveza is boring

simple dance

[novel star]

but ye stuff like this is like, it feels depressing to hit 5 builders in a row

but not doing it

means you lost a second of shiv during kb

and also lost shiv on the dn big boy envenom

[nova aspen]

she also parried me

like

10 times

[novel star]

lmao

[nova aspen]

shit mechanic

[novel star]

its immersive

[nova aspen]

looks like 2/2 lethal sims

13k less than forced induct

woops

[novel star]

ye

[nova aspen]

fixed that

[novel star]

its not huge but its worth

yea idk

the main thing i notice is the shivs and the vanishes

[errant mauve]

How’s forced induct work?

[novel star]

you very consistently do like

shiv -> 10s later 2nd shiv

instead of 8s

and are using old vanish logic before we went back to talenting MA

[novel star]

supercharger gives +3cp value instead of +2

[errant mauve]

Ohhh ok

[novel star]

just a passive

makes your dns really big

[blissful pecan]

if you are talented into 2 stacks of shiv, do i use them all for kingsbane?

[novel star]

force 7cp and you get a 10cp 60% buffed forced crit envenom

[novel star]

Yeah

[blissful pecan]

before kingsbane, and last ticks

okok

[crude wraith]

Cheers mate, thanks.

[novel star]

Shiv -> kb -> mash envenoms for 7 seconds -> 2nd shiv

[blissful pecan]

do you guys think assa is better for kyveza

or sub

[novel star]

probably sin

but idunno im just a onetrick

[graceful heart]

BRUH, I missed Daikaiju coming to my city, I JUST WANTED TO VIBE TO INSTRUMENTAL KAIJU THEMED SURF ROCK.

[novel star]

anyways other than talents and messing up ur burst

it seems like u just got fucked

marked with charges many times

[nova aspen]

ye

ok thx

these burst windows remind me of combust

if u mess up u do no dmg

until the next window

xD

[novel star]

burst spec moment

sin is alright outside cds but yeah

definitely not good to do them wrong

[nova aspen]

it was also a prog kill so i guess it wasnt the worst

[novel star]

ye

nerves and shit

[nova aspen]

i coulda been the guy that parsed a 0

kek

[molten coyote]

Duude! They're so good. They played at a local spot in my town and set their instruments and van on fire. xD

[graceful heart]

that sounds sick as fuck. It sort of works out, I did get to see Tycho on halloween soo, I'll take that W

[gloomy heart]

pog ! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299503550056894504/1307547919032909884/image.png?ex=673ab464&is=673962e4&hm=b7ff753698a1abce49f02e373927973e6adfd8e27f913c6b122a2a053202d8d5&

[sonic raven]

https://tenor.com/view/card-flip-swipe-pay-wut-checkout-gif-11170560

[gloomy heart]

Tournamnet realm 🙂

[sonic raven]

hahaha

[gloomy heart]

Just testing stuff b4 gearing it

[cerulean burrow]

I get it

I finally get it the rotation

I can do it

I CAN DO ITTT

[quasi ingot]

what is it

[cerulean burrow]

like omg big dam

[quasi ingot]

tell me

[gloomy heart]

garrote garrote garrote garrote STOP garrote garrote garrote GG

[cerulean burrow]

soooo for the opener its just ambush ,garrot,rupture,rupture ,garrot,garrot,crimson tempest, fan of knives mutilate to apply caustic spatter

then blow all your cooldowns and trinkets

death mark and kingsbane

[sonic raven]

forgot one part

[cerulean burrow]

then envenom and fan of kinves

which part?

[sonic raven]

tea 🙂

[cerulean burrow]

oh yes tea

AND TEA

if you are specced into it

[quasi ingot]

after the first FoK you envenom instead of mutilate yea?

[quasi ingot]

here

[sonic raven]

https://tenor.com/view/uhhhhh-gif-18728531

[cerulean burrow]

are you talking in regards to after you pop cd's?

[quasi ingot]

no before the "then blow all your cds and trinks"

[cerulean burrow]

ohhhh sooo

[quasi ingot]

you said fan of knives then mutilate to apply caustic spatter

[cerulean burrow]

here

[quasi ingot]

oh nvm nvm lmfao

im brain dead

[cerulean burrow]

that is how you open

and then

and then

essentially thats it

im bursting big dam with that

[cerulean burrow]

dont play ret paladin then

your braind needs the exercise

brain*

lol

[rotund oak]

the only answer is sim urself but normally crystal should win in dungeon slice

im gonna spam ur every global buddy

[rotund oak]

[gloomy heart]

bait+ mage discord dead af

[sonic raven]

as the keys get higher the thing i struggle with for Iron Wire is eventually the silence breaks

[rotund oak]

mage discord basicly a graveyard

[sonic raven]

and everything starts casting

i feel like the extra 200kdps overall would be more value

[rotund oak]

class reach the pinnacle of godhood

yup

[gloomy heart]

itd be revived once mage buffs

[rotund oak]

ppl suffer from god complex

its fine,mage is ok,just not for everyone know

u cant afk top the meters,u need to press ur button

manather is bis slapping it in their faces eveyr single time

[gloomy heart]

Feel like assa is harder rn tho

[rotund oak]

ild say in pve about the same

not rly that different but im playing frost

thats where my comperative is

[gloomy heart]

gear isnt too bad

but i got raid rings

[rotund oak]

ild craft a staff str8 up

mages get invited with lower lvl

u can like do 9 10s and craft it

[gloomy heart]

yeah i have like 80crests

one key and im good

[normal mist]

Discord not bricked anymore?

[gloomy heart]

Wym

[normal mist]

Channels were not loading for me

And it seems it wasn't only me, just saw a towelie post complaining about the same

[graceful solstice]

Yeah I was having the same issue

[gloomy heart]

Oh mine was fine

[rotund oak]

yup can confirm this,channels didnt load/lagging

[normal mist]

Imagine, waking up at 5 am and not being able to chat with the boys up until 6 am

[gloomy heart]

Fr

https://tenor.com/view/enessy-кот-в-шляпе-кот-в-шляпе-с-волшебной-палкой-gif-8471018766869139460

[rotund oak]

need my morning therapy man

working with crazy ppl is stressful

[normal mist]

You got this homie

Breath

https://tenor.com/view/woody-handshake-didnt-know-you-were-like-that-gif-508194548043960051

[gloomy heart]

Cant do NW this week bc ppl are trolling me

Sigh

[errant mauve]

Atleast it’s not GB I haven’t done anything but that fuckin place and still have to do it more

[gloomy heart]

I rem that farm

then i got it myth track out the vault

[hasty gate]

anybody notice that rogue just blowing up when taking dmg ive been taking least dmg in keys but when i do take dmg i just die

[gloomy heart]

Just how it
is

squish

[blazing pumice]

the expectation is at higher keys that you run elusiveness

[bronze plover]

hi chat
one question if i have supercharger active and spent with 7 combo does it count as 9 combo?

[hollow river]

ye it just adds 2 combo points to whatever your finishers are

[small sequoia]

are you guys finding that rogue hybrid build in high M+ keys to be quite lacking on ST during boss fights?

with no additional adds to help generate energy

[gloomy heart]

Think it’s just assa in general, we lack ST i believe

[void mesa]

Sup rogues. Was browsing logs for funsies, and found someone who got DM/KB faster than their usual cooldowns..? Any idea how?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VKbLvJWwn4fyxctY#fight=16&source=54&view=events&type=casts&ability=360194

[slate crown]

Holy paladin ability^

[void mesa]

Logs show he never got the buff tho, is that just a wcl issue?

[slate crown]

yeah I'm not sure

was just looking to see

[void mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VKbLvJWwn4fyxctY#fight=16&source=54&view=events&type=casts&ability=385627

[slate crown]

that's the only thing I'm aware of that could allow for that

[void mesa]

KB are also hella weird

There were only 2 casts of Autumn for the whole fight, and every KB is 50s

I was expecting Autumn to be it, but the KBs are also weirdly desyncd in a way that Autumn can't explain..?

[slate crown]

Does aug have something like that?

[void mesa]

Only for themselves normally, and as a passive (all CDs reduced by 10%)

It's as if they had Autumn permanently up throughout the whole fight o.o

[slate crown]

Save that link for when more people are around. I’m curious but do not know any further myself

And it’s

[void mesa]

Yeaaah

Friend and I are digging, and so far all we found is that the log is flagged and blacklisted for bug exploit

My guess is something with Autumn going 100% uptime/on multiple people, mage also has reduced CDs

[feral wasp]

!up

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[slow marsh]

!wa

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[thin portal]

trying to line up sin rotation haha

700k overall in +4 at 618ilvl

[sleek spear]

are most rogues running Cheat Death or Elusiveness for M+ keys?

[keen spruce]

elus

eventually

[slow marsh]

Are we still being forced to use curseforge or is there an alternative for addons

[gloomy heart]

Depends on key level

[sleek spear]

i feel like elusiveness doesnt reduce damage from non-aoe spells. so what is the point ?

[keen spruce]

lower keys doesn't matter probably just cheat to cover up woopsies

[gloomy heart]

Low keys i suggest cheat

[sleek spear]

elusiveness only gives damage damage reduction to non-aoe spells?

[gloomy heart]

Higher elusive

[keen spruce]

that is literally the main reason it is taken

evasion 20% flat DR

feint 20% ST DR

along with base feint AoE DR

[sleek spear]

sure i feel like Cheat Death has saved me so many times

than i can count

from a moment of lapse of concentration

[void mesa]

At some point, Cheat only saves you from mistakes

And there are mechanics that will kill you without Elus

So cheat will save you once, then the 2nd cast comes around, and you die for real

[sleek spear]

which talent would you recommend for 10s?

i do mostly 8-10 keys

[keen spruce]

can just run cheat in those

Elus is a strictly better if you're playing well at all levels.
Cheat covers up mistakes in key levels where consistent mechanics don't one shot you

[final dawn]

Elus becomes relevant at around 12/13 i would say

[sleek spear]

got it thank u so much ❤️

[void mesa]

Yeah, nothing really one shots in 8-10s, so it's more likely you will die from a slip up than from a lack of DR

[keen spruce]

well it's relevant sooner than that because proper feint and evasion usage also takes pressure off of your healer

but the MAIN reason to run elus

[sleek spear]

ahhh yes. sometimes 1 moment is all it takes to die

[keen spruce]

is when there are unavoidable damage events that will 100% kill you from full HP

that happen more often than your cheat CD

but since nothing should really 100-0 you in 10s and below it doesn't really matter

[sleek spear]

gotcha, that makes alot of sense

[keen spruce]

If you ever plan on pushing higher, i'd recommend switching to elus earlier so you get used to when you should be using feint and evasion

as DRs

feint is basically every unavoidable damage event

and layer evasion on top for things like pulsing damage in DB 2nd/3rd bosses

[sleek spear]

ah ys forgot 20% evasion DR is pretty huge

[keen spruce]

cycling between feint+evasion, feint+vial/pot, cloak can give really good coverage for mechanics like that

[sleek spear]

how do you guys do good single target damage though? i feel like certain bosses like 1 target my DPS suffers due to lack of energy regen

[keen spruce]

we dont

[subtle tundra]

I love feinting every mechanic 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

[subtle tundra]

You don't.

[sleek spear]

AHH. do you all use vanish on CD for more crit chance?

on single target

[subtle tundra]

Yes

[violet flax]

I've just begun to study for Assa rogue. Am I right in understanding that upkeeping Garrote bleed is not as important as Rupture? Just looking through plater extensions and they all seem to focus on Rupture

[void mesa]

AOE, rupture has higher prio yes

[keen spruce]

you can't really maintain garrote on more than 2 targets in AoE so it's normally not worth to even worry about

just keep it on the main

[violet flax]

Thanks guys 🙂 ✌️

[sleek spear]

hopw come? i thought indiscriminate carnage will spread garrote to more than 2 targets?

[gloomy heart]

falls faster than rupture

[keen spruce]

i mean after those run out

[ionic flame]

!sheet

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[slow marsh]

cev or whispyr plater

[limber lion]

!wa

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[slow marsh]

ik I was asking which is better but I used to use yours before tweaking stuff on it so i'll just stick with yours

anyone have a decent elvui template i can just steal

[void kestrel]

I’m confused on whether I should take the time to build up and use envenom before using shiv and kingsbane for AoE burst

[blazing pumice]

shiv should be at the backend of kingsbane

[rotund oak]

u mean lightweight,for 2 shiv stacks i presume?

or nvm

[oak tangle]

same bugged log as last time

[oak tangle]

bugged log sir

that's a 30s lust

sussge

[void mesa]

How does it work, out of curiosity? Is it the log that's bugged or an exploit in-game?

[rotund oak]

we wanna press shiv to cover the last ticks of KB,if u are spec'd into 2 shiv stacks u shiv before pressing kb and last 6 seconds of kb to cover its full effect.Ideally u want to press KB while envenom buff is active coz it ramps faster

[oak tangle]

multiply everything by 1.25x and you will get a normal log

[thin portal]

!plater

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[void mesa]

Ahhhhh

[oak tangle]

or 1.33 idk, but i believe they just hit the log with a 0.75x timesetep

[void kestrel]

That makes sense, thank you

[rotund oak]

u are welcome fam 🙂

[brave comet]

is blind enough to deal with the affix as a rogue?

[oak tangle]

not always

need a mob inside to cleave the blind off

[brave comet]

thats very odd

well good to know that i am not completely helpless against the affix

[void kestrel]

Another AoE question. I’ve seen people streaming burst 10m+ on fat pulls, but I don’t understand where that damage is coming from. Crimson tempest and caustic seem like the big pumpers for AoE but have massive damage fall off after 5 targets

[oak tangle]

spatter

[void kestrel]

It’s spatter? Seems like the damage fall off is crazy after 5 targets

[oak tangle]

depends how big the spatter itself is

[void kestrel]

Maybe I’m just not seeing fat enough pulls

[thin portal]

how do i disable the dmg window that opens when you change targets

[void kestrel]

At 8ish mobs seems like spatter caps around 1 million dps for me

[oak tangle]

what dungeon we talking i'll pull up a breakdown

[thin portal]

woowwwww

finally i found it

so plater is the addon that lets you see friendly names without the bars

so nice

[void kestrel]

Siege

[oak tangle]

what pull

[void kestrel]

A double pull before 3rd boss. The room with the 3 packs of 5ish

[oak tangle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VQhGbYr6xT4ZgjDR#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=205&start=8108644&end=8181480

[void kestrel]

Super useful thanks!

[rotund oak]

if u vanish to spread garrotes/ruptures and press that ct with cds then it comes down to how good gear u have

[blazing pumice]

basically every class has a target cap now

you're still getting dmg even with cap

and those massive pulls are usually lust/prepot/all cds

first pull of nw i usually hit 9-10m

[rotund oak]

if u execute correctly ur rotation and watch out for buffs and spater u should be able to do like 4-5mil even with lower ilvl gear

like 625

[blazing pumice]

don't waste time with ic trying to dot everything under the sun, just get your ruptures up the first pass

[void kestrel]

Interesting you say 4-5 mill around 625. With CDs I’ll finish pulls around 3.5 mill at 621, so it might be a matter of just gearing

[rotund oak]

ofc it is,gear is pivotal

e.g at 625 in 1st pull mists i waas doing like 5-6mil now that ive got 2-3 more pieces with still no good trinkets i do something like 8mil

but there are many factors that regulate that

u cant always do that much

[brave comet]

do people quit liberally in keys? i always run my own keys, but this key. the healer died twice in the first 4 trash pulls and the tank just quit right there

[cobalt sphinx]

yep

not your key = quit on wipe

[violet flax]

What fight style should Assa rogue use when simming?

[cobalt sphinx]

dslice for keys or patchwerk 5 mins for raid

[rotund oak]

patchwreck for ST dungeon slice for m+

[brave comet]

youre not being sarcastic right?

[cobalt sphinx]

that's what people do

they're only there to time it

if it can't be timed, they leave

[subtle tundra]

some people also have short temper

me
i am some people

[shy heron]

you shouldn't read that as a list of instructions, just how people seem to approach things

[rotund oak]

or complexity issues

[coral ibex]

some people have extremely fragile mentals

[rotund oak]

and alot of ego

[cobalt sphinx]

and some people are only there for themselves

they don't care about a stranger they'll never see again

[rotund oak]

everyone is so pro these days

its funny

they would dictate everything in a key before it ends and by he end of it they have 5 interrupts and 1mil overalls

[coral ibex]

m+ as a system primes gamers to leave at the first sign of friction tho so

[rotund oak]

silence is the best answer^^

[coral ibex]

i tend to have lower interrupts because i'm not trying to frame perfect my kick on mob cast

the lockout is already so short

people should wait to kick until the end of the cast

[rotund oak]

thats solvable with practice

[coral ibex]

its solved with not pugging

i just dont kick in the first half of casts

you can't make me

[cobalt sphinx]

i like kicking at the start of casts

[rotund oak]

ppl that just deny to do stuff is whats more toxic and results to keys getting bricked

[subtle tundra]

i like not kicking

[rotund oak]

same

[cobalt sphinx]

if you kick at the start, there's no confusion

[coral ibex]

if you kick at the start you kick more

[rotund oak]

yup pretty much

[cobalt sphinx]

nobody's gonna use a stun or knockup or overlap

[mystic quiver]

Hi everyone, I have a question about the Elusiveness talent: it states that Evasion reduces damage taken by 20%, and Feint also reduces non-AoE damage taken by 20%. Do these effects stack? For example, if I use Feint and Evasion at the same time, would I get a total of 40% reduction to non-AoE damage? I understand this may not be an optimal action, but I’m curious about how the mechanics work.

Thanks in advance!

[cobalt sphinx]

let a cast run until the end and people will panic and kick into a knockup

[coral ibex]

i just assume there's at least one guy like you who's gonna try to kick every cast asap

[cobalt sphinx]

multiplicative

[coral ibex]

that guy kicks within like 300ms of any cast starting

which is basically reaction + ping

[cobalt sphinx]

evasion with bait and switch will be 36% damage reduction, evasion and elusiveness will be 36% i believe

[coral ibex]

why would i try to fight that guy for kicks

[rotund oak]

just prekick the cast

predict

thats a true rogue gaming

[warm vortex]

I end up kicking the same time as someone else / 2 other people

[coral ibex]

this puts me on tilt so hard

[slow marsh]

just be better idk

[mystic quiver]

clear ty

[coral ibex]

enemy begins casting, suddenly all 5 kicks are on cd because everyone wants to check details at the end of the dungeon and have the most kicks

2nd caster begins his Fuck You All cast

nobody has kick

wipe

[rotund oak]

thats actually the main reason u want voice in higher keys.Someone needs to call the stops else the key is going nowhere

[coral ibex]

[rotund oak]

a single cast goes out someone dies

another reason why i like mage more than rogue for m+ this time around,longer interrupt cd,no animation

so when im about to interrupt and im called i press