assassination

[royal lantern]

hahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

[humble verge]

this is my subpar build, simming like ~2m on slice

[graceful heart]

fair enough, I just wasn't 100% sure

[subtle tundra]

why avoid?

i want..

[humble verge]

i already removed my comment

[balmy condor]

seek help varas

[graceful heart]

appreciate the help

[subtle tundra]

yea

[graceful heart]

TBH I was hoping he was referencing me, I don't mind choking

[humble verge]

man, lootcouncil will never give me offspec maces in raid on rolls

[graceful heart]

2024, why be the dom anyway?

[balmy condor]

^

can reference this

if you want build idea

[graceful heart]

thank you my dude, appreciate it

[humble verge]

my honest reaction

[ruby birch]

What

I had no trouble on that boss idk

But I prog it a while ago idk if the .5 patch bricked him

[tired gull]

abilities with a cd >= some random number shouldn't be parryable, or just remove parry from bosses

[vast patio]

I'm having trouble getting my plater to track rupture/garrote when not in automatic mode. There something weird with the spell ids? >_>

[violet flint]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[stark scroll]

which ones the best

https://tenor.com/view/haha-funny-laugh-baby-cute-gif-1231826826475224608

[next dust]

[stark scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-holding-head-cat-sad-cat-rahh-wahhhh-gif-1269381876110443381

[stark scroll]

whispyr irl

[ruby birch]

What build for m+

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-enrage-angy-gif-25372308

[ruby birch]

[stark scroll]

#assassination message

[ruby birch]

Echoing Reprimand?

[stark scroll]

sim all of these

[ruby birch]

Ty

[stark scroll]

np!

[ruby birch]

Rerolling Prot pala

[left mauve]

What build requires the least amount of buttons, I want it to feel like ret paladin

kappa

[stark scroll]

yes

[ivory mountain]

What embelishments are best for m+? Already have ascendance and need second one either lining or armor banding

[spice surge]

It doesnt particularly matter

Embellishments are all absolute dogshit

[ivory mountain]

okay ¨^

[spice surge]

As in theyre not worth a lot

So lining or ascendance+banding are both fine

[ivory mountain]

alright thx

[river swallow]

What do you do with the affixx as assa rogue this week? can you do something?
i am no bloodelf, i am undead

[rich elbow]

Be dracthyr rogue and blow them away with your big wings 🙂

[acoustic roost]

Aoe blind, but you have to target a mob, not an affix or the aoe portion won’t work. Kidney shot, kick, cheap shot also work if there’s one out in narnia about to go off

[river swallow]

aoe blind is a skill? thought i blind only one xD i look into it thanks

[brave vector]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[valid pulsar]

Brain dead question, cut to the chase gets rid of you manually having to press slice and dice correct?

[normal mist]

yes

[valid pulsar]

Ty

[left mauve]

It’s pretty brain dead

[valid pulsar]

I know lmfao

Sorry I just wanted to be 100% about it

[ornate wagon]

guys do we track caustic splatter pls?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

idk if your asking if we track it, or a way to track it

[ornate wagon]

a way to track it sorry ;[ as no weakaura pack i tried seems to?

[gusty mirage]

Hi friend

[normal mist]

I use TMW to track it, and you can make a WA for it

[ornate wagon]

ok ty mate ❤️

[normal mist]

I'm more used to the addon TMW than WA's

[cobalt sphinx]

I track it with cev plater and whispyr WAs i think

[ornate wagon]

thanks mate will check it out ❤️

[cinder steppe]

ovinax is dead finally, are you guys playing fatebound or deathstalker on kyveza?

[plucky dock]

Have they done something to energy regeneration? I feel like him regaining energy slower than i used to? I haven't changed any gear or forgotten any poisons.

[cobalt sphinx]

Nope it always sucked

[hollow river]

could you not avoid it for me ok thanks

[safe patrol]

my friend who has a rogue alt was surprised I was playing numbing instead of atrophic in dawnbreaker 13 because the top rogues play atrophic in whats obv a complete other ballgame. Pissed me a bit off, kinda cringe or?

[jovial idol]

Plater

Guys, I ran today a 12 without iron wire and I have to say that I have been converted into a believer of the non iron wire build

[cobalt sphinx]

Atrophic and numbing are both fine

I don’t believe in pretending there’s a magic key level where you swap from one to the other

[safe patrol]

nah I agree both have value

but the general rule is numbing for m+ and atrophic for raid so got a bit tilted when he was amazed I played numbing

[rich elbow]

What do you run instead of IW?

[dapper cradle]

I’m getting tilted just reading about your experience

[hollow river]

i think in some higher keys people swap to atrophic

[runic hinge]

Depends on the key tbh

[cobalt sphinx]

Atrophic is much more common so I think it might be a you problem

[runic hinge]

A lot of damage can still be environmental

[cobalt sphinx]

I don't think it's necessarily better, but it is bizarre to get tilted when it is pointed out that you have elected for an unpopular talent

[drifting narwhal]

I'm having a situation where my deathstalkers mark isn't being applied not in raids, mythic plus, or solo test dummy's. I don't understand what's happening I can not get it to proc anyone have any ideas?

[runic hinge]

Are you opening with ambush?

[drifting narwhal]

Yes

Vanish ambush

[runic hinge]

Have a log?

[spice surge]

Are you sure youre using ambush

And not mutilate

Bound to the same button

[drifting narwhal]

Uhhh give me a sec

And yes it's ambush

[cinder steppe]

are you guys playing fatebound or deathstalker on kyveza mythic?

[drifting narwhal]

@runic hinge https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/dakthegash#boss=2902

[solar wyvern]

The defensive value of 20% magic DR evasion is far too good

[rich elbow]

Do you need ambush & Mutilate on different buttons? 0.o i just thought ambush overrides mutilate when stealthed lmao

[solar wyvern]

Maybe try it on farm but the damage diff between fatebound and DS is like pretty meh

[coral ibex]

ambush without blindside proc is a small loss vs mut but it doesn't really matter

[drifting narwhal]

I noticed when I was like 15 in dmg and other rouges were crushing we found it was because deathstalkers mark wasn't applied this whole raid it was applied

[cobalt sphinx]

[drifting narwhal]

Wait lol

[cobalt sphinx]

what are we doing dinger

[solar wyvern]

Well my friend we've found the problem

[drifting narwhal]

Hole up

[solar wyvern]

Check your stealth bar m8

[drifting narwhal]

Ok ty I didn't notice that

I swear I'm hitting ambush

[runic hinge]

Don’t forget to shiv between dm and kb as well

And envenom before

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that looks like you generated like 9 cp

on the opener

[umbral sierra]

does bottled flayedwing toxin get affected by spatter

[runic hinge]

Envenom>dm>shiv>kb

[drifting narwhal]

Yeah I need to do that more lol so my bar says it's ambush I'm so confused

[normal mist]

99% sure it doesn't

[runic hinge]

Were you in the other rogues shroud and not in stealth yourself?

[drifting narwhal]

No I'm in stealth

Like I hit stealth then hit the ambush button but my logs are saying I'm hitting mutilate

[umbral sierra]

maybe u got hit with a mechfirst

[normal mist]

Easy way to check: do you have dsm on the target?

[umbral sierra]

and it pulled u

[waxen oyster]

How much of your setup should you do before anubarash gets webbed

on court?

[umbral sierra]

ngl xi ive just been sending all cds with hero on pull lol

[plucky dock]

How much energy should i have pooled up before kingsbane with for example one charge of Thistle?

[waxen oyster]

Meant mythic

XD

[humble verge]

finally "somewhat" fixed my logs, should be better, but also ignore blood 💀

[cobalt sphinx]

just sit boss on bbh

use internal bleeding

the adds are someone else's issue 👍

[humble verge]

hmm

doesnt sound that bad

i guess

[cobalt sphinx]

hot tip, deathmark at 3 mins insead of 2 mins

[humble verge]

say what now

[cobalt sphinx]

you only get 2 deathmarks, might as well send the 2nd one in execute phase

[humble verge]

ehhh

[rich elbow]

Bro my logs on at 623ilvl are beyond disgusting.. i dont know what i am doing 🥲
My FPS drops to about 10 on pull of bosses and it just sets me up for failure...

[humble verge]

maybe

[cobalt sphinx]

unless your fight is 4:30 long then you can get 3 in

[humble verge]

the kill was barely 410

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah idk if you can get 3 deathmarks in so i would just use the second one with the 4th kingsbane

[umbral sierra]

do u have 30 people in ur raid

[safe patrol]

I see I am a bit outdated on the most popular poison for m+ among the playerbase and was in the wrong there so my apologies. but yeah didnt tilt there and then if it makes anything better but yeah my bad

[coral ibex]

4:10 mythic ulgrax???

[rich elbow]

20 man Mythic

[coral ibex]

HUH

[humble verge]

yes

no

blood

[coral ibex]

holy cow

[humble verge]

not ulgrax

[coral ibex]

oh ok

[humble verge]

our ulgrax was like

6:30

[coral ibex]

i was gonna say

[humble verge]

couldve been faster imho

[waxen oyster]

Does anyone remember the exact time anub gets webbed the first time

[coral ibex]

my ulgrax best is 5:34 and i thought we were kinda quick

[umbral sierra]

i only say that bc i had a heroic council with 30 people and it was laggy af

[coral ibex]

4:10 sounds insane lol

[waxen oyster]

is the debuff called something

[coral ibex]

i think thats during intermission tbh

[coral ibex]

yea this is tech

[rich elbow]

I think its something to do with ELV UI upon further inspection

[graceful solstice]

It’s like 45-48s in. 2nd is exactly 1m later.

[rich elbow]

like i drop all my graphics settings to minium.. the game looks like classic ffs

[humble verge]

looks like the faster ulgrax are like 5minutes

just around

[waxen oyster]

Yeah trying to figure out if you vanish for empowered garrote etc before he crashes

if you start kb as he gets webbed the later ticks dont have the damage amp either

[ruby birch]

Assa is just not good at that amp

[waxen oyster]

It 100% isnt

[ruby birch]

Timers are too weird

It only happens twice in p1 though

[lavish geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-budy-ronnie-coleman-gym-lightweight-light-gif-20762394

[ruby birch]

And in p3 you should have line ups

So it’s not that big of a deal

[cobalt sphinx]

You lose a lot of MA if you break stealth early

[waxen oyster]

I've kinda just been holding a DN proc to env anub right after a shiv

[spice spire]

Love Ronnie

[lavish geyser]

is it worth swapping to WaT build for m+ if I sim 60k dps more? I like the no stealth build tbh

[heavy jolt]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[lavish geyser]

haha yeh, dude is a champ

[tight sparrow]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ornate wagon]

Does garrote cd get lowered with haste please? Ty ♥️👍

[royal lantern]

no

[ornate wagon]

Ty mate

[snow kindle]

is there any aoe trinket sims i can see

[gloomy heart]

you can hold DN

[molten fulcrum]

learning assa atm, on ST when energy regen is a bit lower is there a point when i should stop spending and pool for a bit or is that just not a thing

[coral ibex]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[molten fulcrum]

appreciate ya

[hasty spade]

What 2 trinks to go for M+?

[tacit otter]

The 2 that Sims best for you

[ornate wagon]

In aoe in big packs is the do get 5 ruptures-1 garrote- 2+ tempest that correct? Ty guys

[lime echo]

Hello friends ! can someone send me the macro for tricks the leader of the group pls, thank you

[tacit otter]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[umbral sierra]

sim it

but ur generic "bis trinkets" from m+ is gonna be sac brood and skaradyns

[lime echo]

thank you

[keen spruce]

Crystal generally better

But also depends on gear

Also his lists are stinky

Bis

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah sacbrood isn't as good on AOE as knife and crystal but it's like basically the same thing

I'd just grab whatever you see first in the vault

[keen spruce]

It’s within like 10k dps for me

[cobalt sphinx]

Spyglass too

[keen spruce]

In a dungeon slice sim

Which is basically nothing

Spyglass, crystal, sac, knife all basically the same

Even contract is fine

[cobalt sphinx]

Allow me to consult the simulations

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-orb-gif-26002992

[silk sundial]

Those all sim about the same for me too. They also all have a static 3k agi stat which imo is why they do so well. Looking at buff uptime, Spyglass is like 3 min total. Contract dmg was next to nothing

I don't have a crystal to actually check how often it procs

[cobalt sphinx]

Doesn't matter you just gotta believe in it

OUCH!

636 equipped with 639 sacbrood, only .5% difference between the 4 trinkets

[mint urchin]

That sweet sweet 7k dps

[hasty spade]

runnin transmitt+ deadly atm as they are my highest ilvl, got a 7 ilvl lower knife than deadly aswell. Waiting for dat skar

[cobalt sphinx]

We need simcraft to cloak the knife debuff

I wonder if that makes it bis

[hasty spade]

is it possible to get higher than 619 knife tho?

[heavy jolt]

vault

[coral ibex]

yes hero track

[cobalt sphinx]

Even less of a difference on single target

[scarlet wyvern]

Is it required to use Iron Wire if you dont have a Prot Pal in M+?

or can i leave it out?

[cobalt sphinx]

Up to you

If you skip iron wire and you guys all die to shadowflame bolts, you might end up thinking to yourself that Iron Wire could have made a difference and you'll bring it in the future

But if you guys do completely fine without it, it's all good

You can time the key even if you never mutilate and generate all your combo points with fan of knives but that might not be the best course of action

[coral ibex]

yea drop your best utility for a 1% dps gain

[scarlet wyvern]

it will be a +15 Ara Kara

[idle inlet]

can someone tell me what the little blue lines mean on whispyrs envenom tracker weakaura

[left sundial]

Boralus first boss sending deathmark before bombs troll or worth ?

[scarlet wyvern]

i'd like to take Twist the Knife for Boss fights

[left sundial]

İam instant opening every rog streamer instant opens is it right?

[coral ibex]

yea i mean ttk vs iron wire is a strange decision to be making

i feel like if you are doing 15s you should be able to figure this out tho

[cobalt sphinx]

I think people usually take TTK and then decide if MA/SD go to IW

Or you drop bonerspike and take it all

[scarlet wyvern]

god i wish we could have +1 talent point xD

so annoying to adjust every dungeon

[gloomy heart]

worth to buy mythic boes for ilvl?

[scarlet wyvern]

the second stats are trash

unless u wanna go sub xD

if u have spare gold then go for it

[coral ibex]

if you are lacking myth tier you can catalyze a boe

[hasty spade]

so MA or SB?

[coral ibex]

MA

personally

the spec struggles in ST and SB is really really bad in ST

[scarlet wyvern]

what is SB?

[coral ibex]

sanguine blades

[scarlet wyvern]

ah

[coral ibex]

burning energy on bleeds in ST stinks

[scarlet wyvern]

for M+ or ?

[gloomy heart]

crit vers belt insnt that bad, and shoulders can be toer

[coral ibex]

yea

m+

[onyx rain]

why are folks playing subterfuge in keys

[scarlet wyvern]

chain MA crit

or silence

[coral ibex]

subterfuge extends carnage, iron wire, improved garrote, and master assassin

[onyx rain]

got it. so not for extra ambush spam

[coral ibex]

no

[onyx rain]

changes opening at all?

[umbral sierra]

wowhead says sac brood is S tier just passing along the info. also hallowfall trinket is only a tier not s according to wowhead

[onyx rain]

or still spread bleeds into rotation

[coral ibex]

you would vanish at 12s left of kingsbane

in the opener

and then every 2m after

[onyx rain]

got it thanks!

[coral ibex]

[coral ibex]

brother

tier lists dont matter

[umbral sierra]

yes ik sim it yes ik "bis" is a myth but homie just wanted to know which trinkets to look for the most

so i just told him the top 2 according to wowhead

[cobalt sphinx]

crafted 636 crit/mast is a 0.3% dps loss over my 639 socketed auction house belt

[umbral sierra]

lossing out on sockets worth of stats+ 3 ilvl of agi stam and other secondarys

its my understanding of 9/10 times ilvl> secondary stats no?

[idle inlet]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

pandemic

[idle inlet]

But I thought pandemic no work with a sync buffs

[umbral sierra]

are we going back to quarintine?

[balmy condor]

surprise, they made it work

[idle inlet]

oh my god

god bless daddy gates

[slate crown]

It's kind of just imposed by the fact that it can't stack more than 2 times

er, 1 time I guess

[royal python]

Petition to bring back real kingsbane play, not this shit envenom spam play

[slate crown]

If it stacked higher than 2, it wouldn't pandemic until the max stacks, the pandemic is just to preserve duration like typical pandemic does, so that we aren't sweating trying to refresh only at the very very final milliseconds of the buff

pandemic on it just means it's like normal, minimal uptime loss by clipping

It would also be removed entirely if you could stack beyond 2 but because we can't, we get pandemic

[gloomy heart]

just saw a armadillo

[slate crown]

like in your back yard?

[cobalt sphinx]

@slate crown do you have the smart tricks weakaura? I would love a smart step weakaura that will have you automatically step the tank, so the exact same functionality with a different ability id

I haven't looked at it yet but I've never modified a weakaura, if I can't figure it out I might need help

[slate crown]

I don't but I helped someone make one before

sec, let me find it

[royal python]

Love the way this point gets ignored

[slate crown]

it's in this channel

[cobalt sphinx]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah it's this one but I want to change it

[slate crown]

Sorry friend I can't read or have an opinion on every take in the channel

[cobalt sphinx]

I suppose if it's easy enough to change I can do it myself but if I can't figure it out I need help

It's funny watching @midnight mist click the tank on his party frames every time to step the tank

[slate crown]

Thinking of the keywords that would be in that convo

[gloomy heart]

LOL NO, was near the sidewalk around my neighborhood

was going on a walk and it popped out

[slate crown]

Ah!

[cinder birch]

Is there a way to track which mob gets the dead-eye spyglass debuff?

[slate crown]

Here it is! #assassination message

they posted it to wago too

[cobalt sphinx]

[slate crown]

I don't know if it had any issues

but looks like they got it working

[royal python]

Why should kingsbane damage be capped, it allows every Johny to play assassination

[slate crown]

NGL every johnny could probably play assassination if the cap was removed

[cobalt sphinx]

@rotund oak

[slate crown]

don't really know why that would hold up the skill ceiling

[cobalt sphinx]

Wasn't that PI mandatory

[molten fulcrum]

probably another very dumb question, but does deathmark dupe already applied bleeds or only ones after its pressed, i think its the first but just checking

[slate crown]

I'm sure there's a way to make a plater color for it

[cobalt sphinx]

Was that DF S1? PI on exile on every pull

[vagrant brook]

plater

[slate crown]

It just copies the instances of the currently applied oens, and keeps any new ones doubled as well

[molten fulcrum]

word ty

[slate crown]

Just think of it saying "every bleed/poison tick ticks twice for the duration"

[ornate wagon]

Most builds only having one charge of vanish if ruptures and garrottes fall off in a pack is there no easy way to apply fast please?

[gloomy heart]

got this for 200k not bad

[slate crown]

nice cheaper than I got it

[cobalt sphinx]

I bought avoidance shoulders and socketed belt

Gotta do something with the gold

[slate crown]

I've never seen one in person I think, unless maybe I saw it one time I went to AZ on a trip

Yeah I bought socketed belt too

[cobalt sphinx]

I heard they're a thing in texas too

[arctic tusk]

why are people not running lethality

on ansurek

[slate crown]

and a ring

[arctic tusk]

or not everyone

[gloomy heart]

I lived in south carolina for like half my life and just moved here to georgia and i see one weekly

[slate crown]

I associate them with like, middle/west of the country not the southeast, breaks my association bias

[tall jay]

Evening fam, how “reliable” is wow analyzer?

[cobalt sphinx]

Not at all to my knowledge

[umbral sierra]

Wow head rec build uses super charger and forced induction so a lot of avg joes just looking at wowhead and hitting import

[gloomy heart]

Whjat is wow anaylzer

[tall jay]

Hmm ok.

Someone want to take a crack at 2 of my ST parses?

[slate crown]

tool where you plug your log into it and it has a bunch of rules built into it to analyze the log and determine things like critical buff uptimes, cd usage, etc

[tall jay]

They are decent, but wondering if there are better things I can do and I don’t want to keep bugging whispyr lol

[slate crown]

It needs to be maintained by someone that knows what's important for any given spec

the person that was maintaining it for assa stopped so

[arctic tusk]

@balmy condor is that for people who have to use vanish as a root removal

oh wait thats not lethality that would be imp garrote and mA

[balmy condor]

what

I don't get the question

[hasty spade]

isnt sub w/o trace the go to for m+?

[balmy condor]

it's one of the builds

[hasty spade]

so raid Leth and 1/2 supe is the way?

even with 2 shivs?

[arctic tusk]

im asking why no lethality on ansurek specifically

i got myself confused

but

that is the question

[balmy condor]

in raid you play forced induction

[balmy condor]

what does lethality do on ansurek that makes it special

[hasty spade]

more use of it on p2 etc

[arctic tusk]

nothing I Just thought its the highest simming st

[hasty spade]

than shivs D:

[balmy condor]

forced induction

is highest simming st

that's why forced induction

is recommended in all raid builds

[vagrant brook]

what is going on rn

[balmy condor]

no fucking clue man

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think this does anything special for the mechanics of the fight

[balmy condor]

yes that is indeed lethality

[arctic tusk]

oh so !fuu is out of date

[balmy condor]

no clue

I haven't opened that spreadsheet all expansion

[hasty spade]

Without a trace vs lethality for m+ what ya guys think?

[balmy condor]

whatever you feel like man

[umbral sierra]

I mean 4x 3 extra cp finishers in ur kb window is huge esp when u hit darkest night venom with 2x ttk and a shiv going

[arctic tusk]

👍 okay thanks just had the wrong highest simming one

[vocal cradle]

what build yall running in keys? there is this one build that takes iron wire and twist the knife instead of doomblade and serrated bone spikes...i feel like with like 3 or less mobs im more starved for energy than i used to be (yes keeping bleeds up) think im just mashing envenom too much?

[cobalt sphinx]

You can always sim the builds against your character and see what is best for your specific set of gear

[coral ibex]

lethality vs more vanish flexibility is a no brainer imo

esp since its 1/2 leth

and kb doesnt double dip anymore

[umbral sierra]

Whisper I got my aotc today, if you get a chance could you check the log see where I goofed

[royal python]

Don't think so, differences will emerge

[vagrant brook]

there are many m+ builds which are overall similar in terms of damage
it comes down to the dungeon you're running, the keystone level, your team comp, and what you personally like the most

[umbral sierra]

No iron wire bc prot pally

[vagrant brook]

that's valid

[hasty spade]

what do they got that makes it obsolete?

[umbral sierra]

Prot pal is new dh

[visual sun]

Wait, can you catalyst mythic boe? I.e shoulders will be mythic track?

[hasty spade]

guess twist or SB if prot pally then?

[umbral sierra]

Divine toll sends 5 shields that bounce to 5 people and silence everyone

[umbral sierra]

I just take sb bc I would need more than 1 point for twist

[umbral sierra]

Ye

[vocal cradle]

ive only really been doing 10's so i guess ill stick to what im comfortable with.

thanks for the input broskie

[umbral sierra]

Tbh outside of flexing there is 0 reason to go past a 10

[hasty spade]

they should have 1x 1/6 myth item drop at 12+ 😄

and 2 at +14-15 😄 but maybe thats OP

[vocal cradle]

they gotta gate gear somehow lol

[vagrant brook]

iron wire, sanguine blades, twist the knife, sudden demise, master assassin, serrated bone spike
lethality, subterfuge, without a trace, supercharger, forced induction
you can make many build permutations changing these talents around for m+

[frozen jasper]

Does second vanish charge have a asynchronous cd or is it 2 mins After using charge 2?

[slate crown]

It's not async

it's just normal charges

[frozen jasper]

Like tea?

[slate crown]

Yes, like tea

Or shiv

[frozen jasper]

Got it, thanks

[vagrant brook]

if it was async it would be 100% taken

and maybe a lil broken

[eager root]

Is there a bug that prevents deathstalker's mark when tricks is used?

[umbral sierra]

M+ lockout 2 per key per week + 12 drops myth track item

[digital spindle]

any common things to check/change for FPS drops? Just basically went to 0 on a first big pull in NW, first time I've experienced that. Got a 5900x and a 3080 and am running in game:

• [LE] Rogue WA pack
• Whispyr Assassination Plater Profile (v5.2.2)
• Details
• DBM
• OPie
• PasteNG
• Premade Groups Filter
• TipTac
• SimulationCraft
• TomTom

[slate crown]

Plater in general, not specifically Whispyr's profile, is high impact

As is elvui if you use it

[digital spindle]

no Elv, heard that was an FPS killer

[slate crown]

Details can be as well if you have its update frequency set very high

[trail scarab]

is there a way to track your energy on warcraftlogs?

[digital spindle]

would hate to lose Plater, that profile is so good

[slate crown]

Resources tab

[trail scarab]

oh, thanks

[digital spindle]

and assuming you are the LE of [LE] Rogue WA, that thing is awesome as well

[slate crown]

I try to test when I make a complicated aura for the pack, the primary killer points are going to be imp garrote tracking, and the damage windows aura, you could try disabling damage windows and next-cast tracking in custom options of imp garrote

If you want to see your usage, you can also right click on the WA minimap icon and use profiling

to capture resource usage of all of your auras

[slate crown]

Glad you like it

[vast patio]

Ogcd feint is so nice.

[digital spindle]

I noticed some performance hit on the aoe dummies so I'll go and give that a shot now, thanks for the tips

[vagrant brook]

my favorite part of the LE aura pack is the bar that pops up when my Kingsbane gets parried

[trail scarab]

need to swap my mutilate keybind i think i just keep spamming it

[slate crown]

Contrast is an important part of life. What good is the high of using your cooldowns if you don't have the lows of despair of a parry?

I made it show the Parry message to impart this lesson to you, specifically

[digital spindle]

I profiled WA on the 5 aoe dummy in dorn and there was nothing crazy on that - how do you change the details speed?

[thorn fjord]

AMEN

[ornate wagon]

Guys how many poisons do we apply please as i have 6?

[spice spire]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[spice spire]

Unsure if you ran that

[slate crown]

My pack no models

for plater update

[thorn fjord]

You are the model

you beautiful creature you

[spice spire]

Oh I thought he had more weak auras

Ik yours never ran them

[digital spindle]

that script returns "Energy Fancy Effect", nto even sure what that is

[slate crown]

for details update

[digital spindle]

thank you Lisonna | Ensconced - are the values you use good to match?

[slate crown]

slide to the right to reduce the addon's impact

[spice spire]

[digital spindle]

ah it's for druid, not loaded atm

[spice spire]

Ahh

Don’t think one kills it though

I was about to make fun of LE so hard

[slate crown]

Honestly I don't know, I use those numbers, I didn't come to them deliberately

I just picked something that was much slower than default

and ran with it

[digital spindle]

my plater is in 0.50 already, oh dear

[slate crown]

It's not a surefire way to fix your fps, just something extra you can do

[thorn fjord]

Drop another 2k on a new rig

ez

[vagrant brook]

just get the new ryzen 7 9800x3d

ez fps fix

[thorn fjord]

rip

[slate crown]

can I use gold to buy a new rig?

[vagrant brook]

there are some... ways...
allegedly...

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

https://imgur.com/QBcEJjA

[spice spire]

Le have you capped multiple toons

[slate crown]

Yeah

[thorn fjord]

monster

[idle inlet]

is it worth to blind at all on ovinax

[slate crown]

I mean I have started using the warband bank

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

ive never had more that 550k at once

lol

[spice spire]

LE gonna be one of the cartel bosses next raid

[thorn fjord]

Had a dude in our guild who had like 7 maxed toons

[slate crown]

Give me a few more weeks

[thorn fjord]

Pretty sure he was autistic and lived at home with his family... Guys was in his late 40's.... he had 2 accounts capped with toons on Hyjal

[slate crown]

I only have one account rn

but

The only reason I don't have 2 is because I don't think my pc could handling running 2 at once

[thorn fjord]

He had a bad attitude mostly and when we started to get regularly get CE he would get benched because of performance and man did he not like that

[slate crown]

If it could it would absolutely be worth me getting another one rolling

[thorn fjord]

Dont fall down the rabbit hole

[slate crown]

I would only fall down that rabbit hole if I could buy a pc with gold

[thorn fjord]

He left the guild and we lost our proffessions expert lmao

I mean you technically could but that would be against TOS

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-15268759

[spice spire]

Sounds like you need LE

[thorn fjord]

hehehe

Whole group came together to make it work

[vast patio]

What's the highest key yall would take SD on?

[high walrus]

is there a way to have someone's mainscore on rio show what class it is

[lethal arrow]

11 if ur geared

and the party is geared

[cobalt sphinx]

SD is 10% bleed damage, it's always good

[lofty hinge]

n

[oak tangle]

I have 700k total, how do people make gold man

[balmy condor]

lisonna prospects half of the north american auction house's supply of ore for her money

@slate crown rat

[thorn fjord]

RISE AND GRIND

[inland escarp]

[high walrus]

people hate this simple trick: before a key ask if someone has a spare flask, sometimes they trade you 10 of them

and then you do the same thing in the next key

[hollow river]

there's loads of ways. you just have to invest the time to figure them out and do them. gathering, crafting, boosting, farming old content for BoE transmogs to sell, the list goes on.

[high walrus]

mining/herbing is like 10k an hour at this point

[runic hinge]

You forgot dancing in goldshire

[vast patio]

Unethical rogue hacks

[hollow river]

nah you can still make 40-50k/hour with gathering

[olive lagoon]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[high walrus]

sometimes the real rich fuckers mount up the AH mount though

that's when you know you lost

[vast patio]

pm me your route because I gather 30k on a good hour

[coral ibex]

W

[high walrus]

what is bro gathering

[hollow river]

it's not really about the route itself, more about your knowledge points and tools etc

[hollow river]

mining/herb

[vast patio]

my tools and knowledge are good.

[high walrus]

I don't even bother picking up herbs other than arathor spears anymore

[vast patio]

monk was going to be my second main but I kinda slowly shifted from shammy to rogue.

[slate crown]

yo wtf

this is just one of the 6 ores I prospect

[balmy condor]

hun, you purchased FOURTY MILLION GOLD worth of aqirite this expac?

mental

[slate crown]

Sure have

I guess

I don't know actually

I'm a bit skeptical of some of the TSM data

I'm sure that the purchase quantity is accurate

but that doesn't sound unreasonable

[tired girder]

it normal to have outlaw constantly out simming my assa gear?

[runic hinge]

Outlaw sims very highly most times

[mint urchin]

Outlaw is very heavy on cdr so if it has 100% uptime it does high dam

but 99% content doesnt let it have 100% uptime like sims

[slate crown]

Gotta spend money to make money

[vocal cradle]

so for brood mythic double whetstone or wax/whetstone?

[balmy condor]

always double whetstone

[agile locust]

Just about to start prog on mythic Ovinax, is there a chance as a sin rogue I’ll get assigned for interrupts?

[vocal cradle]

probably you have shadow step and a short kick cd

[loud trench]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[versed mica]

Wax THAT bad? It's expensive AF on my server

[idle inlet]

can you evasion the fixate guys on brood twister

[spice surge]

No

The parasites will still eat you even if you have evasion up

[idle inlet]

big sad

[proven belfry]

What trinkets we use on keys ?

[fiery mauve]

??????

[oak tangle]

kill the king

[fluid blaze]

it is the place to ask question for mythic ovinax?

[gloomy heart]

finally

[oak tangle]

as good a place as any

[fluid blaze]

im curious how strong PI is for assassination on that fight

[oak tangle]

keep in mind i can't answer as i have zero experience there

[gloomy heart]

i got good advice for you pacco

if you wanna hear it

[fluid blaze]

sure?

[spice surge]

PI is not that strong for aoe as assassination

Its obviously better than not getting it, but it should probably be put on other classes

[fluid blaze]

but our aoe is from caustic spatter which is related to the direct hit from poison application so it is no?

[gloomy heart]

Kill the boss.

[oak tangle]

spatter comes from envenom / kingsbane, neither of which is affected by haste

well kb is but not really

[fluid blaze]

its from poison dmg in general

[spice surge]

Kingsbane ramps a bit faster, but you generally hit the cap during deathmark pretty early on so its not that big of an increase to kingsbane damage to have PI

[fiery mauve]

give pi to the frost dk

[fluid blaze]

its not from envenom or kingsbane only

[winged widget]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fluid blaze]

its from any poison source

[spice surge]

Yes

But kingsbane and envenom are the majority of it

[oak tangle]

look at the actual breakdown though

[fluid blaze]

a rogue buddy was getting pi this week , and we are doing ish the same amount of envenom / abilities, but his poison application are thr the roof compared to me, i was wondering if PI was the reason

[oak tangle]

if kingsbanes ticks were affected by haste, it would be a different story, but they are not

[idle inlet]

does dispelling the ovinax web rings using cloak root people

[spice surge]

Yes

[idle inlet]

more sad news

[oak tangle]

are you FoK spamming on adds? is he?

[fluid blaze]

yeah

[balmy condor]

majority of poison applications are from melees so yeh, haste would impact that

like 90% of poison applications

or more

are autos

[fluid blaze]

lol thats what i was trying to tell them

but they did not believed me

[balmy condor]

happens

get smarter friends

[oak tangle]

it's not we dont believe you, it's that we dont think its an impact you should care about

[fluid blaze]

i think what you re saying is right, but you dont understand my point

envenom makes you apply poison 30% more often x2 with the twist the knife, but in definition, the more haste you have, the more auto attack you do , so in the end , more poison application

[vagrant brook]

the real question is how many priests and dks do you have in your group
then do number of priests - number of dks
if the result is > 0 then you have a slight chance of getting PI

[oak tangle]

here is my heroic logs cause i dont do mythic

[fiery mauve]

even then theres probably a whole lot of other specs that would want pi on ovi than assass

[runic hinge]

It’s only 15 seconds of haste every 2 minutes so I’m not sure it would be entirely substantial

[fluid blaze]

but heroic are irrevelant for me :/

adds dont even blink that they re dead

[fiery mauve]

same happens on mythic

parasites just bloop

dead

[oak tangle]

right but the point is that weapon poisons aren't the things explicitly doign the damage

[balmy condor]

heroic also has half the eggs

so

[fluid blaze]

yeah not in prog haha , they tend to live a bit longer + the massaive lag spike

[oak tangle]

the caustic spread from poisons is negligible

[fiery mauve]

inshallah you guys find more fury warriors and frost dks

[fluid blaze]

❤️

[oak tangle]

the only benefit to more poisons is energy regen, which you should already be saturated basically, and for kingsbane stacks, which is marginally sped up

[fluid blaze]

well my whole concern is why he got 200-400 more poison application than me for the same amount ish of fok and abilities, he was doing 3m dmg in prog, its like top 10 world , i was wondering if PI was the reason

he is just a chad then

[runic hinge]

Yeah pi is 56k dps on bloodmallet

[simple violet]

random WA question. How do I add a sound effect for when I can proc an ability

[oak tangle]

actions tab

[fluid blaze]

whats bloodmallet

[cyan niche]

is egg just a sim trap? it sims really good but i dont see people running it in high keys

[runic hinge]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/power_infusion

[fluid blaze]

oh thx tony

[glass lagoon]

This affix making me mad

[runic hinge]

It has trinket sims too

[glass lagoon]

Which spell I need to use to kill affix mobs

[mint urchin]

Blind/Kick/Stun

or be a belf

[oak tangle]

the only other thing i can say to check, is do you have a bunch of downtime not melee'ing / poor uptime on second stack of ttk

[glass lagoon]

Thx

[vagrant brook]

deadly poison does more overall damage than KB in brood mythic

so its probably a factor yes

[mint urchin]

If you blind, cast blind on the active mob not on the orbs directly for it to aoe off

[glass lagoon]

What is that debuff i receive from casting blind

It lasts 5 mins

More or less

[balmy condor]

what

hover over it

whats it say

[runic hinge]

Cheat death

[versed mica]

Was reviewing the wowhead guide:
Since the m+ hybrid build is using without a trace, how do we use the second charge of vanish?

[runic hinge]

[coral ibex]

bro just blinded a fixate in gb and then proc'd cheat

[oak tangle]

when needed

[mint urchin]

It says to ask Whispyr for details on its tooltip.

[balmy condor]

damn

got me

[versed mica]

So if you lose Deathstalker buff somehow/you want to throw an iron wire out or

[oak tangle]

yeah, for some quick restealth if it's needed too

[versed mica]

You don't wanna use vanish for MA for both DS KB and nonDM KB?

[oak tangle]

you cant

still 2 min cd

[versed mica]

Oh right duh

[fiery mauve]

surely the secret is to run double vanish

[oak tangle]

you could hit the first 3 kb's with vanish, then it's like you have no talent

[versed mica]

So what you're telling me is that if I'm an epic sin gamer I can drop without a trace and pick sanguine instead right

[glass lagoon]

Nvm I understood that incorrectly

[oak tangle]

i mean sure, but it's 1 point for great utility

1 point in lethality not gonna do all that much more

[versed mica]

Yeah, it's just depending on the comp/dungeon I could go without and prolly do more damage

Oh lethality is better than sang?

[oak tangle]

you mixing up the trees

[balmy condor]

word salad

[versed mica]

Half high rn LMAO

[vagrant brook]

[mint urchin]

How does one drop a point in the class tree and spend it in the spec tree?

[versed mica]

Skill

[mint urchin]

I want to know this hack

[vagrant brook]

secret tech

[oak tangle]

no that's jsut taking another spec trees skill

XD

[vagrant brook]

[versed mica]

So I heard about a sin build that uses flagellation

[fluid blaze]

Thx, was tired of arguiing with someone who don't do the fight i was talking about, i think im getting pi next week so we'll see if its the reason, ty again

[oak tangle]

ok then...

[oak tangle]

just trying to help you dude, if you know the answer dont ask

[vagrant brook]

no shot, next thing you're gonna tell me that we have to choose between ER, Flag or SBS?

[vagrant brook]

i mean it depends on how much more damage is he doing overall than you
PI might not explain all the damage diff

[versed mica]

U forgor bepsis

[fluid blaze]

i do not know the answer, but telling me that the main poison dmg come from envenom when im telling you that envenom is the reason you re doing poison dmg and you keep arguing, you re saying its raining when im saying there water coming down from the sky

[vagrant brook]

ew

[versed mica]

Allows use of one stealth ability dude it's so good!!

[oak tangle]

post your logs then we can actually answer instead of speculating, actually look at your damage break down

if you can't understand that the poison damage done by spattering deadly poisons is so minimal i can't help you

i dont have to do the fight to tell you that

[versed mica]

There's nothing minimal about the spatters I'm going to make when I get home in about an hour

[fluid blaze]

but all the spattering is done by deadly/amp and a little bit from kingsbane on that particular fight

[runic hinge]

Spatter is only off your main target tho

[fluid blaze]

yes

[vagrant brook]

envenom is still the main thing here ofc but yea its hard to know exactly what the problem is without the data

envenom spatters too

[oak tangle]

i mean sure i understand that you look at me not doing the fight, and you probably think i have no clue what i'm talking about

[arctic tusk]

should we play around forced induction/supercharger and send envenoms at 3 cp for example

[coral ibex]

you can but it isn't necessary

[runic hinge]

I do not

[vagrant brook]

i only do that if I need to send DN asap for some reason

[coral ibex]

the only time i pay attention to supercharger is if i notice im at 6cp with DN and a supercharge

then i send at 6cp to consume DN

[oak tangle]

i just set up a combo point weak aura with all the conditions that we shoudl finish on

if it glows i finish

the only issue is for rupturing sadly

[vagrant brook]

so you finish in like

2-3s?

damn thats good

[oak tangle]

lol

[coral ibex]

forced induction gives +3 so it is possible

[oak tangle]

yeah, the condition is either 5+ or 7+ with DN

so you just account for the forced induction procs when you have shiv

[coral ibex]

its also fine to just ignore them entirely

and just play for 5+/7

natty

[oak tangle]

yeah, i got it mostly so im not going to 7 cp when i have 6 and supercharger

[drowsy vortex]

What is the best configuration for simc on m+ ?
5 targets and 2 min?

[coral ibex]

dungeon slice

[oak tangle]

with a DN

it all stemmed from me disliking how elvui / normal weak aura was making the first 2 points the charged ones, i wanted the last 2

[slate crown]

what do you mean the first two

aren't you upside down?

[oak tangle]

ha

[slate crown]

so wouldn't it already be the last two?

[oak tangle]

wait your bars dont go right to left?

[coral ibex]

what do you mean what do you mean the first two

thats how my WA works

[oak tangle]

just a 🇦🇺 joke

[slate crown]

what do you mean what do you mean what do you mean the two at the end because toilets spin the other direction

in that place

[wise whale]

Same

[vagrant brook]

but that's a myth 🤓☝️

[oak tangle]

i've seen people say that i dont exist

[coral ibex]

you're just a guy in my computer

on my left monitor

you stop existing when i open a different discord server

[oak tangle]

not to get philosophical, but there is no proof im not talking to myself and have made everybody up

[mint urchin]

Don't lie, we live on your phone too

[vagrant brook]

damn imagine that

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/brent-my-hero-aus-top-guy-gif-17971844794065873200

[coral ibex]

no the phone versions of you all are just excellent quality copies

dont fool yourself

[vagrant brook]

asking yourself what the best m+ build is

[balmy condor]

@oak tangle are you aussie, cause I'd didgeridoo you

[oak tangle]

i'll show you my land down under

[balmy condor]

crikey

[oak tangle]

are you american? cause i american't stop thinking about you

[balmy condor]

[desert vault]

i am so lost on just why i can do no damage with splatter on mythic brood, just adds not living long enough? it is damn near impossible for any of our pulls for me to get cs > envenom usually about tied

[keen spruce]

I don't even spec into caustic

on that fight

if adds are dying pretty fast then it's not really worth

[coral ibex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vagrant brook]

caustic is always worth it on brood

no way internal bleeding outvalues caustic

unless you somehow need that minimal boss dmg to get the kill

[desert vault]

I was going to say, on mythic, the triple spiders/worms and stuff are up for a while

[vagrant brook]

yea

[balmy condor]

internal outvalues caustic on normal surely

[plucky quail]

Hey Whispyr, are any of the BRD trinkets decent if you can't get ahold of a good Nerub one?

[vagrant brook]

sim, but probably not unless you really lack on trinkets

[desert vault]

just early on our dh, dk and pally are doing 3mil plus on the first couple add sets i don't think i really have enough uptime to do much damage

[low hare]

positioning when adds spawn

trust

[plucky quail]

ok ty

[low hare]

depends on how ur tank pulls the boss as well

if hes fucking up, ur not doing dmg

[balmy condor]

no

[desert vault]

yeah i am learning more about standing in the right spot to pad some

[balmy condor]

BRD is full of nothing but garbage

[plucky quail]

That's what I was afraid of 😩

[oak tangle]

spatter is boss position tho

[desert vault]

well at least I'm tops for boss damage! but yeah, my add damage is just lousy

[vagrant brook]

just ask for people to get infected by parasites

giga padding

[low hare]

.< or just be there and prepared to nuke the parasites on every spawn

[wise whale]

There's no way you don't spatter on ovi

[low hare]

ovi is primary target, unless ur group needs help with big spiders, then spatter on them

[desert vault]

i don't really know, guess just hit boss and stay alive, i don't think i can really parse on this fight with my guild cause it is like a million melee

[low hare]

idk this fight is fun for us, did a 97 this week

for ilvl at least

[wise whale]

Don't worry about logging it now

[desert vault]

i will break 2mil for it i'm sure, but i feel like 2.5m will be a struggle, i think towards end though should be nice stuff lives longer, lust at 6:30 and stuff

[low hare]

be prepared, have ur spatter pre applied, and be ready with a 5+ point envenom on parasite spawn, spatter on oni, profit

only hard swap to adds if your group cant handle them or you need to intrupt to avoid wipe.

[vagrant brook]

[wise whale]

Or pray your fdk calls out

[vagrant brook]

holy fatebound

[wise whale]

Either work

[desert vault]

yeah we need our fdk and dh to call out, one of our DHs is just crazy

[wise whale]

Uncapped demonsurge kinda crazy yea

Sorta need a dh buff tho lol

[desert vault]

i guess that is true i can wait on those first couple egg breaks and hold an evenom for the gripped parasites and pray for a pb proc too

[wise whale]

Honestly your dam should be going up a fair bit in the lusted execute

[desert vault]

the lag is so real on that fight, even with settings way down, but I am learning to reapply splatter early during breaks instead waiting until 1-2s, might just fire a mut at 3-4s to be safe

yeah, I know the second half of the fight is really better for me cause the 3x spiders/worms etc live longer, more CT and splatter damage

[vagrant brook]

i'm lucky to only be competing with a fury and a ret on ovinax

[low hare]

ugh i hear ya,

first was fucking elv ui, that was causing huge drops,

then it was plater,

was still getting some drops after that,

just upgraded cpu to 9800x3d tho, havent dropped a frame in raid since, even with 30 people >.>

[vagrant brook]

x3d cpus are insane for mmos

[low hare]

i was running the 5800x3d prior

but it was showing its age trying to run at 165 fps

with jarring frame drops

[vagrant brook]

i don't think i ever had 165 fps in wow

[low hare]

i mean i had it in open world and questing, but the 2nd i got into a group or encountered multiple players, it would hurt

i dont think ive seen a frame below 153 since upgrade cpu tho, i was supprised

and all frame drops are just gone

[vagrant brook]

i might buy that one too actually

[low hare]

i really thought it may have been an engine issue

worth it if u can get it, i woke up at 5am to get mine, and now its sold out for at least a month at most retailers

[vagrant brook]

frames in 11.0 are really bad, i don't remember having this level of lag in any other expansion

[low hare]

they did something for sure

older architectures cant seem to keep up , which was not the case in dragonflight

and not much has changed graphically since then

[wise whale]

There's a plater nameplate plug-in that reduces lag specifically on that fight on curseforge

[vagrant brook]

spaghetti code caught up I guess

[low hare]

its only a small indie company, i dont know why wed expect client side optimization...

[wise whale]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/plater-nameplater-performance-units-plugin

[vagrant brook]

does this work

or is it like

placebo

[rotund oak]

ty

[wise whale]

Worked for me. First grabbed it in SL Fated for the chaotic motes, can't imagine playing without it

[vagrant brook]

i'll give it a try

thanks

[low hare]

do you need to customize it all? or is just plug and play?

[vagrant brook]

just installed and it comes with the parasites already set up

[low hare]

i still want all my bleeds/poisons/ect to show

on all targets

[wise whale]

Then gg I guess

I mean you shouldn't need to

Especially if they die that fast

[low hare]

ehh ill try it, been tyring to get a key all night, maybe ill get lucky and see how this works >.< anyone not a rogue looking for a 10+?

[wise whale]

Id ask in the not rogue discord kekw

[low hare]

.<

[wise whale]

Fuck it go triple rogue

[low hare]

actually do you have a good disc for keys?

[gloomy heart]

that lfr parse goes crazy

lfr GOD

[oak tangle]

my one and only silken lfr on rogue has appreciated over time

[nimble vector]

it works, but you need to add the unitID for the mobs

[gloomy heart]

I was just practicing

and ig someone was recording LOL

[sleek spear]

Hi all, besides Skardyns Grace, any other trinkets good for assas rogue in M+?

[oak tangle]

crystal, spyglass

[sleek spear]

Is the dawnbreaker trinket BIS?

[gloomy heart]

Wasnt even top bro

[oak tangle]

probs that guy logging

[wise whale]

Logging in lfr

[oak tangle]

don't you dare criticise my past time

[wise whale]

I ain't hatin

[oak tangle]

sometimes you just need to see oranges / pinks / golds

[coral ibex]

bis is relative to your character

the empowering crystal is pretty good

especially in m+ where all stats are good

[wise whale]

I should start logging follower dungeons

[gloomy heart]

mage was like 631

[sleek spear]

Ahhh yes I do mainly m+ only

[wise whale]

Rexgor goes hard

[sleek spear]

For raiding any BIS trinkets to have ?;

[vagrant brook]

ye but I checked and the ID for the parasites already came added

[coral ibex]

skardyn+sac/crystal/knife/spyglass/contract

you should just sim yourself

[wise whale]

In other words enjoy it stay at the batol o7

Ur*

[nimble vector]

oh okay it got updated since I installed it then, but it definitely helped on Ovinax

[coral ibex]

just get it in your vault smile

[wise whale]

Fuck off

[oak tangle]

imo it goes like this, m+ = crystal spyglass, raid = sacbrood spyglass, so i forgo any sims or bis and just go with my spyglass

[gloomy heart]

Sac over spy in raid?

[wise whale]

In longer fights prob

[oak tangle]

i a) dont have sacbrood and b) the difference is very marginal

[wise whale]

Sac is a ramping twinket

[nimble vector]

if you want to farm the bis the answer is pray for good vault trinket, any of the 3 passive trinkets at 639 will be better than the others at 626

[raven dew]

are ret paladins just super easy to play/are in a good spot atm? rets with much lower ilvl are easily keeping up with my dmg/topping charts

[wise whale]

Yes

[raven dew]

do they have just 1 button for both single target and aoe?

[nimble vector]

that's just kind of what ret does

[wise whale]

Yes

[nimble vector]

idk if it's the build they play in m+ but they had a build where you press divine storm in ST as well

[coral ibex]

ret is easy and does high burst aoe damage

[raven dew]

lmao wtf

[oak tangle]

idk about anything since bfa, but there was free cast procs on ds so might be that

[wise whale]

It's skill expression is mainly in its utility

[raven dew]

ah interesting

[nimble vector]

nah it was actual divine storm > templars verdict in ST

[wise whale]

Find 1 that sacs

Bops

Et cetera

You have wings every 30 seconds

[vast patio]

Should I be running supercharger over subt if I drop MA?

[cobalt sphinx]

anyone know mists

what time do you push droman

like 50 seconds? less? more?

[gloomy heart]

Sim ig

my sim says subter build better

[balmy condor]

You can do whatever your heart desires

M+ is a lawless wasteland

Run cold blood

Run subterfuge

Run neither

Fuck it, drop crimson tempest

You’ll be aight

[timber meadow]

thats some gang shit boss dam from ct lmao - like 800k more dmg per cast than envenom

[balmy condor]

Yes

CT fucks hard

[timber meadow]

i knew it did just didn't realize its st was this big per cast in aoe

[jaunty lotus]

I noticed that CT hits the affix balls

Do you know if they gain the bonus damage from them?

[slate crown]

no gods no masters

[jaunty lotus]

If I hit 4 balls and the boss, would it be worth doing in ST?

[balmy condor]

If it hittin, it bigg’n

[jaunty lotus]

The balls do get the debuff

[gloomy heart]

might be a new class angle, i suck at the rog

[jaunty lotus]

But would that make it worth on ST?

[balmy condor]

Ofc

It’s worth on 2

[bitter badger]

chat is cheat death useless on kyveza?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[timber meadow]

its worth casting on 2 if you're talented but do you basically have to be at 5 targets for ct boss dam to be worth enough to talent into ct in the first place?

[balmy condor]

I mean

[jaunty lotus]

It's worth on 2 but it does damage to both

[balmy condor]

Is that a real question that matters?

It’s m+

He’s running CT regardless

[timber meadow]

i was thinking more about a situation where you want boss prio in a raid environment

[balmy condor]

Yes

It’s worth on ovi’nax for boss prio

And nothing else

[jaunty lotus]

In this case you're getting 200% o CT damage instead of 240% (2 times 120%)

[balmy condor]

What are you cooking

Press CT on 2

[jaunty lotus]

I mean with the affix balls

Balls don't take damage

[balmy condor]

repeat after me

Ct

On

2

[jaunty lotus]

CT on 5+?

[timber meadow]

xD

[balmy condor]

I wish I could throat punch you

How is this difficult

[jaunty lotus]

So do i

[oak tangle]

if you take CT it's because there is 5+, doesn't make it less true that CT on 2 targets is good if you have CT

[balmy condor]

AGAIN THIS IS M+ WHO CARES

THATS NOT A REAL QUESTION

PRESS

FUCKING

CT

ON

TWO

DOS

ZWEI

[keen rover]

Funf?

🤣

[jaunty lotus]

But CT on balls on a ST boss is less damage than CT on 2 regular mobs

[balmy condor]

BROTHER

[oak tangle]

HAHA