Wasnt it sp
#assassination
midnight mist
royal lantern
no that isnt the problem, CT is just overtuned as fuck lol
like, we are very close to use CT in single target allready, thats how sstupid high its dmg is
spice surge
Yall are looking at end of patch logs
hollow vessel
thank you! I think I've realized what I'm doing wrong at last
pale spear
of the logs i could see for DF s2 fire is like, matching the other dps
umbral sierra
no that isnt the problem, CT is just overtuned as fuck lol
like, we are very cl...
im fine with it. makes shitting on bm hunters so much easier. ct slaming the hunter bc its on everyone of their fithly animals
marble hemlock
fire was just massivel boosted by pi+aug combo
vital haven
who knows how cooked logs were in s2, aug just got introduced so who knows how it was tracking the dam
rotund idol
Where's enhancer hotfixes this reset though tf
marble hemlock
but the runs before they redid the entire m+ scaling
just to fix the ladder being taken over by all the aug+fire+sp comps
after nerfing them
during that time, fire was just stupid good
midnight mist
Idk I'm not seeing it or
midnight mist
Not the .5 logs before hotfixes
Hm
valid leaf
??????
feral wasp
ok bro df s2 mage was fine
marble hemlock
valid leaf
U guys dont know what u talking about if ur saying fire was stronger then enha is now
Reroll to barbie dress up
royal lantern
https://i.imgur.com/542WPDJ.jpeg
nerf outlaw
royal lantern
Reroll to barbie dress up
shut the fuck up you loser jesus christ
drifting cloud
can you give this guy a mute already, all hes doing is instigating pretty sure that was still against the rules
final star
turn ur phone sideways
marble hemlock
Reroll to barbie dress up
so, im actually gonna say it now, since you clearly didnt seem to get the message when other users on this discord said it earlier but: please stop trying to incite or antagonize people with almost every single post you make
umbral sierra
BF should do 100% of its damage but only hit 1 other enemy like in classic
midnight mist
turn ur phone sideways
Wait true
final star
u dumb bitch
drifting cloud
How do I find that
probably need to go by date, july/august
past panther
the voices
drifting cloud
dont remember the timeline
midnight mist
Ye I can't do that I think
midnight mist
Like I was looking S2
marble hemlock
but that'd be around the time youd wanna filter for
midnight mist
Or well I can check a specific guy
marble hemlock
Or well I can check a specific guy
dunno who even logs m+
drifting cloud
its like seli said, you need the keys before they redid the scaling
since ladder was just ruined for the season
final star
is that on your stampeding macro?
It's the creature inside of me escaping, I hate it when I am forced to unleash my dark passenger but I was left with no choice
rotund oak
Reroll to barbie dress up
hot take,in terms of relative/absolute power might as well have been stronger
as a class is 100% stronger than any shaman spec
period and forever
royal lantern
tbh, enh shaman is good for a long time now
valid leaf
Fire mage was better maybe in defensives apartment and thats about it
rotund oak
fire mage
was better in everything
u either didnt play mage
or dont know
idk man
im playing mage for 6 years now as an alt
both pve and pvp
valid leaf
S2 fire mage is not one phasing bosses in a 17
rotund oak
shaman is junk compared to it
marble hemlock
its like seli said, you need the keys before they redid the scaling
before august 22nd it seems
midnight mist
Ok I give up
vital haven
shaman is junk compared to it
idk about that one, letse not exaggerate here
midnight mist
Too hard on phone
valid leaf
S2 fire mage was maybe alll around better spec then enha is atm
real granite
fmage was literally THE dps spec since bfa, like you had to get one and play around him
rotund oak
idk about that one, letse not exaggerate here
well ye,u are true here,its just that the gap is apparent between those two,idk
valid leaf
But nothing was like enha is now
coral ibex
isn’t enhance doing like 30m dps on that mists amp phase
coral ibex
was fire mage doing 10x the dps of the next guy
final star
Too hard on phone
marble hemlock
how many wolves you proc etc.
final star
my honest reaction
royal lantern
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1061173765863649340/1295534235771211797/f...
skill issue
valid leaf
was fire mage doing 10x the dps of the next guy
Never
marble hemlock
isn’t enhance doing like 30m dps on that mists amp phase
that seems kinda high
valid leaf
But ay fire mage s2 stronger then enha atm
marble hemlock
its a 200% amp, if you dont have the MC mob from before
cloud basin
so would it be better to swap stats on crafted gear to that of the piece i want, like with boots the haste mastery since i want the ones off Sikran?
royal lantern
i had a 10m envenom on that boss yesterday :3
marble hemlock
its bursting VERY hard
drifting cloud
that seems kinda high
think that one is real unfortunately 
vital haven
fire mage in s2 wasnt even playing the good dmg profile build
marble hemlock
but its not bursting significnatly more than other specs
valid leaf
Will need to stop here my yapping is true and it tilts people to give me a warning
vital haven
it was fucking playing cringe pillar of flame or w/e its called
spice surge
But ay fire mage s2 stronger then enha atm
Ye bro it was completely fine
valid leaf
Ye bro it was completely fine
This means what?
spice surge
There was also a bugfix somewhere that was like -5% overall
marble hemlock
- you didn't get a warning, i just kindly asked you to stop antagonizing people with every other message
- i did so not because youre jesus who was hated because he spoke the truth, but because you were, well, antagonizing people with every other message.
rotund oak
it was fucking playing cringe pillar of flame or w/e its called
think it was the ignite one iirc
vital haven
think it was the ignite one iirc
nah it was flamestrike
valid leaf
@spice surge fire mage in s2 is no where near close to being silly as enha is now
rotund oak
cool cool
vital haven
they pl;ayed haste vers
coral ibex
if you look at this log
pale spear
no ones saying fire mage wasnt busted in season 2 tho
coral ibex
he’s doing 34m dps
spice surge
<@212854714197344256> fire mage in s2 is no where near close to being silly as e...
You are entitled to your wrong opinion, have a good day
coral ibex
but that’s so much higher than any other spec
valid leaf
You are entitled to your right opinion have a good day
marble hemlock
https://youtu.be/gywaSa7CDRo?si=E2F-abfWuHd-R62u
well yeah, that looks like god procs tho. the problem with enha on bosses in particular is just how swingy the DPS can be
was very visible during MDI
coral ibex
ok but my question is did fire mage ever have peaks like this
marble hemlock
same dps across teams, except enha sitting at 1.5mil on one team, 1.1mil on the other
rotund oak
You are entitled to your wrong opinion, have a good day
they will soon understand that sub is where the true power is 
valid leaf
ok but my question is did fire mage ever have peaks like this
Never
marble hemlock
ok but my question is did fire mage ever have peaks like this
probably not? it was just insanely busted in basically every environment.
royal lantern
i know it’s amped i’m not regarded
no filter evasion :3
marble hemlock
so it really excelled at every single pull environment
thats what made the spec so insane, it just didnt have a weakness, scaled super well with PI while also having aug to buff it up further
and would just scale infinitely
spice surge
People see burst and assume theyre doing that every pull
marble hemlock
fire didnt have insane peaks, it just had a much higher baseline than every other spec, pmuch
just like SP
but fire was worse initially in terms of how good it was, its why it got gutted hard multiple times (and still ended up being top3)
drifting cloud
dont get me wrong its insanely broken in that specific scenario that is ingra, where the shaman on its own basically shaves what 2mins of the key
or close to it
marble hemlock
dont get me wrong its insanely broken in that specific scenario that is ingra, w...
it can, ye. but its not 100% consistent either
doesnt make it any less stupid, ofc
spice surge
Isnt this the key where ascendance was still bugged though
And it was effectively giving you 2x the value
coral ibex
ok but don’t you just keep trying the 17/18/19 whatever until your enh high rolls and then ur gucci
vital haven
the only thing that matters in this discussion, is that you are cringe if you were playing god comp back then enhance > fire mage
valid leaf
A class where a single proc gives you 200 mil damage on your meter by pressing a single button is silly
Fire mage and sp are not even close to enha
coral ibex
that does sound a bit silly yea
drifting cloud
I mean the difference is non enh comps have timed a 17 mists
in s2 nobody could do same lvl as god comp
marble hemlock
ok but don’t you just keep trying the 17/18/19 whatever until your enh high roll...
i mean, thats not a realistic environment tho
coral ibex
yea but they didn’t do it first
marble hemlock
yea but they didn’t do it first
being first really doesnt matter in the slightest
unless no one else does the same level of key
coral ibex
don’t these people care about being the first to time a key
marble hemlock
in many cases, being first just means you got the key and another team didnt
coral ibex
why do they post world first key videos then
marble hemlock
don’t these people care about being the first to time a key
if they do, theyre idiots
marble hemlock
why do they post world first key videos then
clickbait
spice surge
don’t these people care about being the first to time a key
They do, but that doesnt matter for balance purposes
vital haven
in s2 nobody could do same lvl as god comp
thats actually not true
marble hemlock
"World First" just sounds nice and gets people to view it
vital haven
there was one comp that could do those keys
drifting cloud
thats actually not true
before rescaling?
spice surge
thats actually not true
Are you completely fried
marble hemlock
but its ultimately not a measurement of how good or bad a spec is, or team is, comparatively to other teams
spice surge
They completely reworked the scaling
Because they nerfed the best comp and nobody could do the same keys anymore
spice surge
Ye thats like 4 months after
vital haven
ye well didnt say that they won
but there were up there in the mainstage
living the enha dream
valid leaf
Enha is silly.
marble hemlock
they didnt make it to globals
vital haven
also no wonder everyone trolls this disc jeez you all get one guyed
spice surge
More like one-specced
rotund oak
im still buffled ppl havent woken up on sub yet
are u ppl blind or something
spec is awesome
valid leaf
Well spec is awesome damage wise
royal lantern
im still buffled ppl havent woken up on sub yet
assa is still the shiny new hype thing + people are notoriously slow to notice that something is strong in every single game ever
marble hemlock
im still buffled ppl havent woken up on sub yet
woken up to what
strange python
I’m switching from assa to sub
valid leaf
But it comes down to utility and survivalbiloty
rotund oak
woken up to what
to see sub's potential 
marble hemlock
sub would have to be noticeable better than assa in terms of prio dam and utility to be "better"
final star
spec is awesome
you've convinced me I'm swapping
marble hemlock
and people dont really change specs or classes until smth is noticeable better
final star
It's so over for assa
valid leaf
But sub potential is week ngl
marble hemlock
never change a running system etc.
valid leaf
It not consistent enough to be viable
rotund oak
you've convinced me I'm swapping
ive convinced u long time ago baby
valid leaf
Outside of your 90 seconds you are kinda dead
marble hemlock
But its also not very far away
think even if it was even, its just not comparable
double poison big
spice surge
It definitely is
marble hemlock
well, matters a bit less with fdk
but people are waking up to unholy more and more
valid leaf
Like if assa takes a small nerf then were talking
Even then wouldnt you opt for frost dk and shields for group
spice surge
You just swap to crippling if you need
marble hemlock
ye
few tanks really care or notice ironwire or blackjack so
think most teams at the top just play tricks again for threat
spice surge
Speed shroud is slept on for sure
marble hemlock
ye
but youd need a team to actually build routes around it, and even then its just
idk
routing this season is kinda dog
valid leaf
Its not being slept on
It has no uses
marble hemlock
most dungeons are very onedimensional when it comes to routing
marble hemlock
so you cant really get good value out of classes that would allow you to route differently
final star
(he won't)
marble hemlock
(he won't)
is (he) in the room with us rn?
valid leaf
Only situation i can think of where u would use speed shroud is CoT if you wanna take a buff for 1st boss and dont wanna lose time on it
spice surge
Its not being slept on
It has no uses
I mean sub bursts as harder than enhance does if they dont have BL on prio targets, the aoe burst is way lower though
final star
is (he) in the room with us rn?
Seli getting backshots:
gulps He's right behind me, isn't he...
spice surge
Only situation i can think of where u would use speed shroud is CoT if you wanna...
Grim batol after dragon, after first boss, after second boss
valid leaf
I mean sub bursts as harder than enhance does if they dont have BL on prio targe...
I said this for speed shroud
spice surge
Most of the places where you use speed totem you can use speed shroud
rotund oak
and people dont really change specs or classes until smth is noticeable better
Ye true,im inclined to believe that ppl see sub as a ''complicated spec that doesnt worth the try''.I think sub is stronger ST than sin.yes sin might average out better coz IW but cant see a way why sub isnt as good
spice surge
Ye sub absolutely dumpsters most people in ST in keys
spice surge
No consistent aoe though
rotund oak
<:Shruge:1039300028189134858>
wasnt like mists and one more
final star
you can drop it in 5 out of the 8 dungeons
marble hemlock
hm, its one of the less intrusive ones imo
i find DKs or DHs to be worse personally
valid leaf
Sub buys time for key because of its prio and boss damage
Assa buys time for key because of its insane aoe and prio with kingsbane
Outlaw buys anti depression pills
marble hemlock
oh yeah, if its yellow on yellow then itll suck
final star
not the elephant dudes
marble hemlock
wow in general just isnt very good when it comes to visual clarity in melee, sadly
final star
I been playing healer
and you have the lay of the land
watching down upon the melee peasants
everything so clear and easy to dodge
it's crazy
valid leaf
I found black ink pot really useful for these dungeons
Its dark af but u see visuals clearly
final star
stinky bright potion is big
valid leaf
But i would say sub is the best rogue spec atm if it gets to press black powder for better aoe
Sub is insane ngl
I played a 14 mists with sub i finished last boss with 2.1 mil
rotund oak
plz no,we are trying to escape the outlaw compulsive disorder loop
dont repeat the circle
valid leaf
Secret technique is such a padding tool on some bosses i love it
marble hemlock
just wish wow wasnt so swingy where only a few select specs are really allowed to go all out every single patch
and then it just randomly and arbitrarily changes what those specs are every season
(except mage)
miss the good ol days of mage being shit in legion
fallen arch
And aug
rotund oak
yeah thats gonna remain a memory most likely
marble hemlock
i dont mind aug that much
need more support specs in the game, not less (and better log hooks)
rotund oak
u are insane
deep gyro
i dont mind aug that much
Hot take
rotund oak
its the most toxic spec in the game
valid leaf
miss the good ol days of mage being shit in legion
I play on uwow sometimes (legion private server) and this was from a run few days ago
marble hemlock
that warlock seems afk
fallen arch
Cumslinger nice
deep gyro
I think supp specs work if u have more than one. Like how ff14 does it.
valid leaf
I mean dark consumption is insane yes
obsidian walrus
Random question. I keep seeing sigil and writhing armor banding as top embellishments. This only applies if you don't have to mythic max level daggers right
valid leaf
25% leech to group is wicked
marble hemlock
Random question. I keep seeing sigil and writhing armor banding as top embellish...
applies then still
youd just play a 636 in your OH with the embellishment
and 639 in MH
marble hemlock
25% leech to group is wicked
tbf, 25% leech would be worse now as well. what made it so busted was the damage output relative to players healthpools
and less cd-based gameplay
so most classes just fullhealed with 25% leech outside of CDs anyway
obsidian walrus
youd just play a 636 in your OH with the embellishment
Oh jeez ty. I assume it's not a massive buff over double dawn thread but we are at a point where swapping is pretty easy
marble hemlock
dawnthread is good ye
coral ibex
you would full heal in like 5-6 globals at worst today with 25% leech
marble hemlock
better in m+, and better in raids if you have high enough uptime
but with the encounter design this tier, thats kinda difficult to achieve
valid leaf
tbf, 25% leech would be worse now as well. what made it so busted was the damage...
It would be for sure after nerfs
Leech stopped working for aoe abilities and mostly works with st and melee
marble hemlock
you would full heal in like 5-6 globals at worst today with 25% leech
definitely not, no
marble hemlock
i.e. assa outside cds would maybe heal like 100k/sec with 25% leech
(on bosses, obviously)
which is what bdk leech was so sick for, cuz it basically meant healer didnt have to heal back then
sharp hill
is the opener primarily the same? ambush - garote - rupture - fan - mult - envenom - trinket/pot - death mark - shiv -kingsbane?
valid leaf
is the opener primarily the same? ambush - garote - rupture - fan - mult - enven...
Sounds about right
In aoe i start with garrote rupture then in last sec of subt window i press ambush for mark
marble hemlock
cuz people would do 2-3mil dps back then on st, while having 7-8mil hp.
now you do half that dps with the same or bigger healthpools
sharp hill
gotcha gotcha
marble hemlock
you can
for raid it might end up slightly better
for m+ itd be worse
then dawnthread might be better for you, ye
sharp hill
just going over logs and seeing how i can do some more dam, my main problem is outside of cds i feel like im doing less than other sin rogues by a large margin
marble hemlock
just going over logs and seeing how i can do some more dam, my main problem is o...
well outside of CDs its just about maintaining high envenom uptime
and not wasting resources
valid leaf
just going over logs and seeing how i can do some more dam, my main problem is o...
Never drop scent of blood the end
marble hemlock
sorry, phrasing was bad. for raid ascension would be slightly better, for m+ itd be worse.
yes
sharp hill
well outside of CDs its just about maintaining high envenom uptime
i try to, i just feel like i run out of energy so fast, even getting the ambush procs
marble hemlock
i try to, i just feel like i run out of energy so fast, even getting the ambush ...
thats normal
we're not a gcd capped spec, so especially outside of CDs, we end up dropping to 0 energy and end up not hitting buttons for a few seconds at a time
sharp hill
before i get second kingsbane i try to refresh garrote and rupture and im starting out kingsband with low enery, idk if i hold to have more or just send either way
marble hemlock
well, you shoudlnt ever drop to 0 energy, but you get what i mean 😄
marble hemlock
before i get second kingsbane i try to refresh garrote and rupture and im starti...
its fine to refresh them during KB
as long as you have high envenom uptime
(which with the new TTK means having high uptime on 2 stacks, not just 1)
sharp hill
got it, i always thought u need to only hit envom as a finisher when in cds so i try to refresh before going into them
marble hemlock
nah, assa as a spec now is very much centered around high envenom uptime and casts
which sucks, but it is what it is
marble hemlock
you refresh garrote/rupture when they get into pandemic, and then you spam envenom outside of it
sharp hill
pandemic is 6 sec right?
marble hemlock
(assuming were talking about raid rn btw)
garrote is 5.4
rupture depends on the amount of CP
sharp hill
yeah raid
marble hemlock
its 30% of the new duration
sharp hill
been doing both garrote and rupture at 6 seconds, sometimes i let it fall off cause i hit shiv so its up for the whole duration of kingsbane
marble hemlock
so its 7.2/8.4/9.6 depending on whether your rupture will be cast with 5/6/7 cp
thats too early for garrote, ye
wont matter a whole lot if its been sub 6 seconds
doubt thats whats causing issues for you (or if you even have issues)
envenom uptime should be somewhere around 150%, meaning for 50% of the time youd want 2 stacks up, rest 1stack
sharp hill
i dont think thats it, but its mainly in between cds im just giga lower than others i see
valid leaf
Thats just assa in raid
sharp hill
its more than likely the not being at 2 stacks of envom a lot
marble hemlock
i dont think thats it, but its mainly in between cds im just giga lower than oth...
wdym by lower?
sharp hill
like lower damage compared to other sin rogues
marble hemlock
do you have an example?
sharp hill
do you have an example?
this is from first boss last night
compared to our other rogue
obsidian walrus
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dapper cradle
He was padding on ads more than you
obsidian walrus
For a log review do I just post it here? Im used to the sub rogue channel setup
dapper cradle
He specced tempest on ulgrax
marble hemlock
so ye overall just seemed like he like
dapper cradle
marble hemlock
did more dam on adds
sharp hill
tbh i did not notice he went tempest lol
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/baYdZGhC6Xwt9PfH/self#fight=9,9&sou...
He has more ST by like 100k dps.
You got gapped on the add phase by like 600k dps.
sharp hill
only fight i would go/have gone tempest on is brood
marble hemlock
looks like a darkest night issue, honestly
you only had 11 procs, they had 18 (mostly cuz they kept theirs during the first intermission)
spice spire
You also have higher envenom uptime than rupture as well
sharp hill
they kept the proc active during the first intermission?
dapper cradle
Intermission usually fucks me for marks
sharp hill
idk how he did that, thought it would go away cause i cant hit the boss
dapper cradle
Just go coin flippa if its an issue
spice spire
idk how he did that, thought it would go away cause i cant hit the boss
Dn was up at the end, and he reset on adds
spice spire
It is
marble hemlock
overall i think youd prolly be parsing >80 with the same gear that he has
he just specced CT to do more add damage
sharp hill
sorry for dumb question but howd he reset it on adds? he saved vanish to keep it on adds?
marble hemlock
you were 40mil behind on boss,
no
you just have DN up when the boss disappears
and instead of reapplying it to the boss right before it goes away
you dont finish with 7cp envenom
until the adds are up
and do it on one of them instead
then they die, their death gives you DN back
and you keep it
without having to vanish when the boss is attackable again, just to apply mark
so you can vanish for DPS during the end of KB instead
sharp hill
holy shit, i didnt know that
spice spire
Intermission gap and a few mechanical bits too
marble hemlock
same amoutn of envenom casts so thats not the problem
obsidian walrus
holy shit, i didnt know that
haha ditto. Im wathcing thisw while looking at the same fight on my log
marble hemlock
but ye, bunch of small things that add up
spice spire
same amoutn of envenom casts so thats not the problem
Pause tho
sharp hill
ok so ill work on DN that fight and not waste mult combo points as much
marble hemlock
well
it ran out during intermission
for him
but not for the other rogue
so most of the other DN procs are during intermission
spice spire
Yeah I mean that’s another point to look at.
this one seems to boil down to mark management
spice spire
Which is fair because I’m also very shit at it on ulgrax
marble hemlock
same
sharp hill
deathmark?
spice spire
Deathstalker mark
marble hemlock
deathmark?
deathstalkers mark
dapper cradle
Proccing marks on those ads is huge
sharp hill
ah the one that builds up to DN
dapper cradle
Ctw 
marble hemlock
but ye, doesnt seem that theres any fundamental issues of "other rogues do more dam than me outside of CDs", honestly
cause you kinda do the same bossdam, if we're accounting for gear differences
tired girder
is wowhead updated for true bis? cause the crafts dont have embillishments
tired girder
i mean there is tho
marble hemlock
theres like 10 different combinations of items that all sim within margin of error
obsidian walrus
So other then trying not to proc DN on the boss to have it for the adds is there any other special thing you need to do other then hit it as soon as you can
marble hemlock
because gear is kinda w/e beyond ilvl and them not having vers
if youre looking for crafted items, theres a section dedicated to that, same for embellishments
tired girder
ya thats what im looking for primarily
sharp hill
alright, so i gotta work on DN, mark, and combo point waste. honestly thought i was doing a lot worse lol
tired girder
ah i'll just go to that section. just weird the bis list doesn't have those embellishments on them i guess
@marble hemlock tyty
marble hemlock
general rule is
- craft wep if you dont have a myth track one yet
- craft non-set off pieces (belt/boots/bracers)
- use ascension+writhing for raid, 2xdawnthread for m+
thats probably applicable to most players
marble hemlock
alright, so i gotta work on DN, mark, and combo point waste. honestly thought i ...
nah, looks good honestly
parsing is hard if youre not high ilvl since the rankings are diluted by people reclearing for the 500th time
who have better killtimers and better gear
so you can end up with a blue parse and think youre doing badly, when youre really not
sharp hill
yeah, im ok with not parsing giga high. it just felt bad looking at the damage meters and seeing i was being gapped lol
valid leaf
yeah, im ok with not parsing giga high. it just felt bad looking at the damage m...
Ur playing ethical
marble hemlock
ye
marble hemlock
id tap myself on the shoulder for that
they do play better in terms of DN usage etc.
sharp hill
marble hemlock
but not by much, and at least you dont play CT 
valid leaf
Playing ethical and moral is better then padding for details
marble hemlock
100%
that being said, they seem to know the rotation a bit better than you, but thats smth you can easily catch up on
valid leaf
You are there to kill a boss and get an item u arent there to compete who pads more on adds
Demon hunters should be the one solo padding adds because they are built for that ngl
Perfect timer for them to nuke them
sharp hill
yeah i can for sure catch up on rotation knowledge. im confident in that
valid leaf
The more u play the better it gets
valid leaf
U want to evolve in your gameplay so you are on a gamer path
Good tech
Yapper approves 
marble hemlock
you already have what it takes
willingness to improve, looking for outside advice, self critical, healthy attitude towards raiding and killing the boss
valid leaf
Do target dummies despawn on boss pull?
marble hemlock
dont think you can place them in raids
valid leaf
Ah unlucky
marble hemlock
theres some spiders before ulgrax on the bridge you can hit for CP tho
sharp hill
thanks for all the help guys, gave me a confidence boost too. now i gotta get some stuff done, thanks again gamers
marble hemlock
thanks for all the help guys, gave me a confidence boost too. now i gotta get so...
happy to help 
manic pecan
hey which are the best talent at the moment for assa rogue?
valid leaf
hey which are the best talent at the moment for assa rogue?
What ever u click ngl
Such well tuned talent tree
Never happend before
manic pecan
MA o TTK?
valid leaf
But depends for what scenario
ttk is goated but abit “harder” to maintain
MA is all around safe pick cant be bad
The difference is so small it’s personal preference id say
coral ibex
those aren’t talents you have to choose between tbh
solar wyvern
You take both
manic pecan
so sudden dimise is no longer op?
coral ibex
are you not playing subterfuge
manic pecan
yeah im playing subterfuge
solar wyvern
12 seconds of MA > Sudden Demise
manic pecan
alright
valid leaf
U can do what ever u want
solar wyvern
True!
valid leaf
Whispyr had a post few days ago
manic pecan
ty guys!
worldly sail
if you don't test all the 300+ builds in keys, can you call yourself a real rogue?
valid leaf
lets count m+ builds:
- 2 subt 1 leth
- wat
- 1 subt 2 leth
- 2 leth 1 super
- 1 leth 2 super
- forced induction
then on the spec tree you got:
- hybrid
- sanguine/sd
- ma/sd
- ttk, no sd
- ma/sanguine/ttk, no sbs
- sanguine/ttk, no sd
- ma/ttk, no sd
- ma/ttk no iw
- sang/ma no iw
- ma/sang no iw
- cleave
- ma
- sang
- ttk no arterial
- ttb over bs
- dashing over arterial
- ma/ttk no iw
- sang/ma no iw
- ma/sang no iw
- bleed
- sbs no ap
- ap no sbs
- ttk no sbs
- ap/lws no sbs
- ap no sd
- lws no sd
- ttk no iw/sd
- Weird shit we ain't gotta talk about
- 1/2/2r9
- 1/2/2r9 ttk
- 2/2/1r9
- 2/2/2r9 no kb
- 2/2/1r9 ap
Fatebound:
- 2 subt no tea
- 1 subt no tea
- dd no cb
- wat no tea
- all the same spec trees
so that gives us 6 * (10 + 8 + 7 + 5) = 6 * 30 = 180 deathstalker builds, follow the blood would make those 360, and 4 * 30 = 120 fatebound builds, so without swapping improved ambush/tight spender you're looking at 300-480 viable and playable builds for assa currently depending on how you count or spin it
coral ibex
yea but it also makes sense to take talents with obvious synergy
like subterfuge and ma
crystal vault
what are pro/con's specc wise (sub vs sin) for ansurek mythic?
solar wyvern
If you play sin your guild might make you hold cds to solo platform 1 anyway hehe (this is a joke)
valid leaf
Id say sub overall is best spec for ansurek ngl
Good timings can handle adds
Very good boss damage
vast loom
i havnt seen a transmitter drop in like a month 😦
crystal vault
where does sub has cooldowns, for shield or p2 first/second platform ?
spice surge
With how its looking right now the best spec is probably the one youre most comfortable with tbh
vast loom
sitting on a LFR transmitter still for sub lol
spice surge
where does sub has cooldowns, for shield or p2 first/second platform ?
first platform
2 sets of cds on boss in p1, 1 on first platform then the rest into boss in p3
marble hemlock
adds melt anyway
with most comps
the boss got giganerfed
(we still wipe to it)
vast patio
You just send envenoms into supercharger ya?
vast loom
gotta get a clean double amp and it deadge im pretty sure
vast loom
yeah we are still cleaning up the rest of the fight tbh
slate crown
obsidian walrus
Is it normal for the damn ritual knife at 619 to be simming better then all my 626 heroic trinkets? I have mad queen, void contract, empowering crystal,
minor dagger
!focus
umbral sigil
on court(heroic) are you guys tab targetting to keep bleeds on both?
past panther
Is it normal for the damn ritual knife at 619 to be simming better then all my 6...
ya it’s pretty good
humble socket
Does this look about right for M+ Damage breakdown?
desert vault
On my mythic Brood prog most of my pulls my caustic splatter damage is just super lower, like 2nd or 3rd a lot of the time. I feel like I'm more or less keeping it up on the boss, could it just be not enough envenoms cast during adds to spread it? I have a few pulls where it is ok, going to keep looking at my logs, just wondering if there might be something obvious I'm missing. Thanks.
lethal turtle
Does this look about right for M+ Damage breakdown?
Negative.
humble socket
What should be different? Is garrote too high?
lethal turtle
Caustic and CT are typically my highest by a mile. But I’m also inside 13s-14s
lethal turtle
Tough to gauge then. As long as you are maintaining caustic uptime each pull I’m sure it might be ok then
Things even on 11s die so fast for sin dmg profile
placid adder
Usually my envenom in second in 13/14s depending on key
lethal turtle
Yeah envenom is like equal to CT most keys dependent on dgn they swap
We have started to practice pulling stuff into most bosses that we can
final star
This is the breakdown in 17 NW
most of the time the damage breakdown looks like this
lower pull size dungeons caustic is closer to envenom
enevenom is most nearly always 2x the damage of CT
coral ibex
how is garrote your #1
tired gull
low keys
coral ibex
no
tired gull
yes
still snow
cant understand why 0 dmg
coral ibex
my breakdown doesn’t look like this in a 9
tired gull
no
winged crest
Guys i was a bit away from theorycraft recently, just noticed most people are playing 2/2 subterfuge instead of Supercharger
Is it mainly for extra master assassin uptime? does it change your opener in any way depending on pull size?
lethal turtle
Guess maybe I am cooked, no aug 15 timed NW 2mil overall
still snow
cant understand why 0 dmg
Just can't understand where to get dmg
spice spire
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1306511198132...
Oh can confirm: that’s just a Tuesday bud
desert vault
Are warcraftlogs being weird and not showing vanish casts? I was trying to look at some Brood logs to see what I'm missing, I don't even a lot of logs with Vanish in the casts tables?
spice spire
Are warcraftlogs being weird and not showing vanish casts? I was trying to look ...
Link it
Had a log last night where there were 0 tea casts
But 7 tea buffs
So it happened
lethal turtle
Yeah I would just filter on by when they had MA buffs
spice spire
Don't even see a Vanish cast, but I am not the best and really breaking down log...
I don’t see any associated buffs
Yeah they didn’t cast vanish
desert vault
That is ... weird? And yet did that much damage?
There was another log I saw with no vanish casts either, let me look was in top 50
It is German, but I don't see Vanish used there either ... guess it is not that big of reason why I do no damage on that fight!
spice spire
Oh they didn’t even need to
They have no stealth talents
No imp garrote
No ma
Nothing
There’s literally 0 reason to vanish outside of applying mark
desert vault
Oh, I see that as well interesting
crisp stream
!up
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desert vault
See a number of the top logs now with no vanish the more I look, weird
they are taking no leathality, force intro, 2x supercharge ... strange maybe will try a couple pulls with it tonight and see
trail flax
I dont have a log or anything rn, but my st in keys feels kind of shitty, especially when comparing to the enh i run with. Is that normal to not have great st in keys or is it just bad play?
spice surge
Assa ST is not great yes
trail flax
Like im 628 rn he is 632, and overall is usually within 2-400k lower than him but single target is a good bit lower
spice surge
Its possible youre messing up somewhere as well, but its not amazing even if played perfectly
trail flax
I just feel constantly starved in st in keys even when trying to hold energy a but in downtime
spice surge
Overall should be closer but pure ST boss damage specifically he should be higher
On bosses where theres adds to gain energy+scent from assa does amazing
Like first boss siege or first boss nw
trail flax
Does skardyns have a big affect on st in keys, i dont have it yet didnt know if assas really rides burst damage throughout a fight
umbral sierra
ight tanks struggling for aggro on queen spider add things. do i say fuck blackjack for tricks
spice surge
Tricks is extremly unlikely to help, but go ahead and try it
young nebula
Quick question guys, I have 619 Sacbrood, 619 Empowering Crystal, 616 Contract and 619 Serum, Sim is telling me Serum and Contract are my best, Surely that can't be right, Serum is so bad :X
hot jay
The m+build seems pretty stressed for points on the sin tree, there's nothing I can really drop for master assassin is there?
spice surge
if you do not have skardyn or transmitter serum is fine
spice surge
The m+build seems pretty stressed for points on the sin tree, there's nothing I ...
Theres tons of viable m+ builds, you can drop sanguine blades for MA if you want for example
hot jay
The way my keys go on the damage breakdown I'd feel very strange about dropping sanguine
But maybe I could try it
spice surge
Can drop doomblade+bone spike for it
Can drop twist the knife you have that
Can drop sudden demise
opaque compass
I have this weird issue my stats and ilvl is good but I cant deal massive damage in M+
spice surge
Can play lethality, supercharger or without a trace
hot jay
Nah not running twist atm
spice surge
All are fine
robust heart
I have this weird issue my stats and ilvl is good but I cant deal massive damage...
Nice character sheet, what addon is this plz ?
opaque compass
Nice character sheet, what addon is this plz ?
wowanalyzer
robust heart
ah 🙂
quaint depot
Is the mythic rating title puggable in yalls opinion?
spice surge
I have this weird issue my stats and ilvl is good but I cant deal massive damage...
Your stats or talents are unlikely to have much to do with it, its almost surely something with how youre playing
oak tangle
which title
quaint depot
the title, top 0.1 percent of rated players in your region.
oak tangle
o, no clue from me
spice surge
So either you get a log and post it in a thread here for somebody to hopefully review it and/or you comb through the guides again to freshen up and ask any specific questions you have here
quaint depot
Im not super far off it as of now and have only pugged, but im assuming here is where it starts getting rough lol
solid hemlock
its puggable for sure, but way harder than premade
spice surge
Ye same as always
hot jay
I have this weird issue my stats and ilvl is good but I cant deal massive damage...
Your character looks extremely similar to mine, just started gearing my sin alt recently
spice surge
Pugging works but is rough, premade usually easier
hot jay
And I'm honestly blasting
opaque compass
And I'm honestly blasting
maybe its my talents im not sure
solid hemlock
premade is always recommended, especially if you are playing offmeta
spice surge
Assa aint offmeta
oak tangle
guys how do i do more dps?
spice surge
So its fine
quaint depot
Fair, I have a ton of friends that play but not any that are dedicated to this i dont think lol
oak tangle
oak tangle
im so close to war within epic
solid hemlock
Assa aint offmeta
excactly, thats why its very puggable - i mean my irl homie is playing feral and is 0,1% pugging
rough to get invites for him tho - but thats a dps thing in general, even playing meta
spice surge
Im mostly playing sub in keys, queueing up as assa and then hitting em with the ol swappero before the key starts 
solid hemlock
used to do that as outlaw
quaint depot
Yeah Assa isnt off meta for sure, its like a choice between Assa and FDK and FDK seems to be winning mostly for some reason
hot jay
I'm enjoying assa in keys, got no desire to experiment with sub or outlaw atm
spice spire
Im mostly playing sub in keys, queueing up as assa and then hitting em with the ...
You changed
First you stopped playing panda
Now this
spice surge
Brother ive been mostly playing sub for a while
quaint depot
lol the ol swapperoni is hilarious, anyone ever call you out on it?
solid hemlock
FDK has better ST and is tanky af
spice spire
Brother ive been mostly playing sub for a while <:Cheesin:1004094333458317332>
Just say you’re a bottom eleem I get it 
hot jay
The last time I played feral, think it was sometime in shadowlands
solid hemlock
FDK and sin is very swappable tho
vestal copper
How do you guys efficiently manage your thistle teas? I’m assuming the goal is to never tap into it without kingsbane yeah?
spice surge
FDK and sin is very swappable tho
Ye and even supreme said he would probably play assa once he got more used to it and has as good gear as his dk
oak tangle
comapre the pair
solid hemlock
Ye and even supreme said he would probably play assa once he got more used to it...
ye prio dmg is king - playing enh & sin feels so good
but f.e on SOB last boss sin has to pre feint every dot application bc dmg reduction doesnt work once u get it - starving energy and hurting dmg
fdk ST is way less conditional and less gimmicky (scent etc)
opaque compass
is sub much different
oak tangle
in what regard
spice surge
Sub is significantly more tanky than assa yes
opaque compass
in the playstyle
oak tangle
much so
oak tangle
30s cd windows, and overlaying buffs for big sectec
opaque compass
i think it might complicate things rather than solve the damage issue
opaque compass
i mean my issue with low dps
brave vector
If you’re having trouble with pulling good numbers you just need to practice more. IMO sub is harder to play
solid hemlock
Ye just play sub <:kek:365510869557444628>
is BP an actual button after the buffs?
spice surge
Na
opaque compass
is fatebound any good
quaint depot
i mean my issue with low dps
Do you have a log you can link?
oak tangle
bp is a single target 'i dont wanna use my coup' button
spice surge
bp is a single target 'i dont wanna use my coup' button
No
quaint depot
Its hard to help without any information to tell you what you are doing wrong
oak tangle
not anymore?
spice surge
Not anymore
brave vector
Not anymore
Do you just not press BP anymore?
quaint depot
If you dont want to post it publicly id be willing to look at the log and pm you, or even just search your characters name, in all likelihood somone has logged a key youve done
opaque compass
Do you have a log you can link?
shy marten
but f.e on SOB last boss sin has to pre feint every dot application bc dmg reduc...
425 energy
😭
solid hemlock
You can always play the new echo talent for more prio in M+
that shit is good in DB
uneven plume
DB and CoT imo
solid hemlock
yeah
brave vector
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/NaWZwkyjhczFqHR3/1-Mythic++Siege+of+Boralus+-+Kil...
Right off the bat I can tell you you aren’t using your CDs enough, which is huge because assa does crazy damage within cds
uneven plume
feels slow though. And i feel like it does really well with aug
Can also play it in Mists for first boss prio
opaque compass
i will try to spam everything and analyze the results
quaint depot
Your uptime on bleeds is bad and you arent using your cooldowns, thats pretty much it
opaque compass
Your uptime on bleeds is bad and you arent using your cooldowns, thats pretty mu...
thx for your feedback but now after inital bleed spreading should i vanish again if the pack almost dead to spread again
quaint depot
You should aim to use your Cooldowns on CD, sometimes this is hard if your tank is pulling packs with no prio target, sometimes you are 15 seconds from a boss and it makes sense to hold it, but for example, if you are one minute from a boss for example you should be using kingsbane since it will be back up
opaque compass
or just bleed the reamaning 1 by 1
quaint depot
thx for your feedback but now after inital bleed spreading should i vanish again...
Sometimes, it depends
in keys less than like 11 or 12 you almost never have to rebleed any pack
but yeah you at the very least want your bleeds up on your prio target, and if there are a ton of healthy mobs left, you should definitely vanish and reapply them
opaque compass
is casting envenom on top of envonom considered bad?
oak tangle
no
quaint depot
Not in aoe, since you have infinite energy
cinder quartz
opaque compass
and whats the maximum stacks of posions u can get on target
or i shouldnt look into that
quaint depot
yeah, you are trying to reapply them in pandemic window in ST and you are trying to use them as often as you can with 5+ or 7 with DN in aoe
coral ibex
not relevant
warm vortex
Shocking fact Envenom buffs your damage
cerulean walrus
A spender that does damage when you spend?
oak tangle
or i shouldnt look into that
i had a quick look at a boss fight, you should take a look at the guide and try and follow the roation for cd windows
cerulean walrus
worldly sail
any shadowstep masters in the house? 
how does shadowstep work on queen ansurek intermission. i know you can stop wrest with it, but does it always place you in the same spot? sometimes it feels like it put me in an empty area, sometimes in the webs
elfin totem
Hi all, I have a question...
I mainly do pvp content on my sin rogue but I have some friends doing pve and would like to play with them
They mostly do +6-8 keys but my question is regarding my gear... I already used the catalyst twice to get pvp set gear, I'm seeing that the difference is in the iLvl and stats but I'd like to know if it's still possible to gear efficiently for pve?
oak tangle
Hi all, I have a question...
I mainly do pvp content on my sin rogue but I have...
the only stat we care about / you shoudl care about, for 6-8,s is agility
warm vortex
the only stat we care about / you shoudl care about, for 6-8,s is agility
What about speed
The faster you are the faster the key
Real
hot jay
Think I'm gonna go mag'har in the next patch, been wanting a mag'har character for a while anyway and the changes are so good
elfin totem
mag'har looks badass imo
quaint depot
or i shouldnt look into that
You dont need to worry about that. In the log you linked above, i went to the last boss and there are a lot of issues with your rotation/ prio of abilities
You are always opening with multiple ruptures and garrotes on single target fights, yyou are envenoming with 1 comobo point, ytou are letting rupture drop for half or more of some boss fights, etc (almost 2 minutes or even more than 2 minutes)
oak tangle
i'm curious as to whether the last time you played sin was in BFA / slands
quaint depot
Id reccomend that you go to the Wowhead guide and take another look at the single target rotation and try to understand it a bit better, practice it on a dummy (id reccomend not the one in dornogal because its always laggy)
oak tangle
that double garrote brings me back
fluid light
Quick question, for our trink/mark of death macro, it takes two GCDs to pull off right? It’s feeling really clunky for me some times, multiple presses but taking a while for MOD to actually apply
coral ibex
no
oak tangle
Quick question, for our trink/mark of death macro, it takes two GCDs to pull off...
you are probably trying to hit mark inside a gcd window, but the trinket itself should go off when you press
hot jay
As someone who last played rogue in BFA I've also been early refreshing garrote in the subterfuge window on single target in keys, perhaps that's bad idk
spice surge
Depends on what trinket you have
Serum is on the gcd so you cant macro it, and mandate wont work either, but it shouldnt be macroed with deathmark to begin with
oak tangle
As someone who last played rogue in BFA I've also been early refreshing garrote ...
if you're gonna send a vanish, then yeah wasted gcd
proper nest
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fluid light
you are probably trying to hit mark inside a gcd window, but the trinket itself ...
More than likely
fluid light
Depends on what trinket you have
Skardyns
oak tangle
just gotta get used to 1 second between everything
grand atlas
hello guys quick quastian about energy reg, i have alot of problame with the enery reg for my second kingbane window. should i safe that for second deathmark instead?
save
oak tangle
save the kingsbane? no
fringe sierra
hello guys quick quastian about energy reg, i have alot of problame with the ene...
how mucb haste do you have?
grand atlas
alot of rogues says just pool your energy for the second kingbane but it goes extreamy slow
8%
oak tangle
haste will basically not affect this
grand atlas
27% crit 47%mastery and 8%haste
oak tangle
pooling is good, and its ok to let it build up a bit if you prepare, also having a tea charge works too
fluid light
Speaking of second kings bane window, I have been saving vanish for that, but it looks like the more efficient use of vanish is right after first improved garrote drops off so you have vanish for 2nd death mark?
oak tangle
Speaking of second kings bane window, I have been saving vanish for that, but it...
in pandemic of this yes, it's because dm duplicates the imp garrote
fringe sierra
Last 6 seconds of mark
grand atlas
ye but when my window for second kingbane both rupture and garrote are on its way too fall off aswel
oak tangle
ye but when my window for second kingbane both rupture and garrote are on its wa...
that is just learning the spec
fluid light
Yeah I’m a ret pally main (brainless) qualified for a tournament team and now on the tournament realm that want me to go ass and have it down by Dec 8, so big catching up to do on the nuances
fringe sierra
thats fine
fluid light
Ass seems to take a bit more brain
fringe sierra
way more brain
oak tangle
it's mostly wrapping your head around pandemic, and executing your burst windows correctly
fringe sierra
which makes it fun
fluid light
which makes it fun
Hard agree
harsh anchor
It’s hardest spec ever created right guys
grand atlas
how many evenoms should i finnish during the kingsbane window?
oak tangle
as many as you can with 5+ cp
fringe sierra
that's hard to say buddy
coral ibex
that’s not the right question
fringe sierra
you have logs?
grand atlas
i main demo lock but been gearing and pushing some keys with my rogue
harsh anchor
Aim for a million, settle with what you get
warm vortex
how many evenoms should i finnish during the kingsbane window?
As many as you can
There isn’t a certain amount we aim for iirc
feral wasp
sometimes i do lazy rupturing by hitting garrote and rupture on the same target to inflict 5 of those dots, is it too bad comparing havin 6 targets?
coral ibex
you should be spending your energy and cp appropriately
oak tangle
seal fate decides our fate
warm vortex
seal fate decides our fate
Yea listen to
Idk
The Russian doll cat
I forgot what they are called
oak tangle
chaos orb cat
warm vortex
The lady with a smaller lady with another smaller lady inside
Matryoshka
That’s the one
oak tangle
i never bothered to change my pfp back after settlers
warm vortex
Fair lmao
oak tangle
normally it's jsut a cat
warm vortex
Mines just an oc I have
oak tangle
warm vortex
Lmao
fringe sierra
anyone has parses
oak tangle
i can link mine, but im no role model
fringe sierra
i can link mine, but im no role model
sure
warm vortex
anyone has parses
I think everyone does
oak tangle
i do ok
warm vortex
Heroic ones are nice
oak tangle
haven't really done parse bosses in heroic for a month or so
fringe sierra
haven't really done parse bosses in heroic for a month or so
dude your pretty solid
fringe sierra
Wow i got lotsa of room for improvement
warm vortex
Blood is my fav on heroic and mythic
warm vortex
Wow i got lotsa of room for improvement
Ofc, we all do
Even at 100 there are things to do better technically
I’m always striving to improve my gameplay personally
fringe sierra
I've been following Shindig a lot for some tips and tricks
my parse went from 32 - 70 this week alone felt good but i feel like im missing more
oak tangle
what ilvl are you? that is super important
fringe sierra
627
warm vortex
I’m 631
oak tangle
i'm 603
warm vortex
But for a while I didn’t use WAs so I was p hampered
rotund oak
my rogue is like 628 and i barely do any keys
warm vortex
Ohhi sap
rotund oak
yoo
im gonna cook two crafts this week if i find the time to send some 10s
gonna hit 630
fickle girder
Imagine having good logs 
fringe sierra
imagine caring about logs <:ICANT:964717117071048774>
Why wouldnt you?
warm vortex
Hope your doing good saps
Rn I’m walking to the library for study
Lesson ended early
Thursday is 16-19 D:
oak tangle
LFR brood twister
rotund oak
Hope your doing good saps
Rn I’m walking to the library for study
Lesson ended e...
lets goooo,climb that ladder 🤘
oak tangle
ez 100 ilvl
rotund oak
day after day after day accumulate that knowledge
rotund oak
Why wouldnt you?
coz there is no reason to
warm vortex
lets goooo,climb that ladder 🤘
Yuh
Finished an assignment and other is nearly done so I get a bit to chill
oak tangle
logs are very group dependant, and dont always showcase how good a player actually is, you would need an understanding of how well they played via rotation, more than a parse number / %
perfect rotation on a 3 min fight, might lose to a sub optimal on a 2:30
rotund oak
logs are very group dependant, and dont always showcase how good a player actual...
Ive lost interest after SL external fest
now there are hacked logs as well
ppl hack their logs
oak tangle
ok yeah is rank 1 sikran still there
jaunty lotus
Hacked logs?
oak tangle
oh thank god they nuked it
warm vortex
TBH I understand both points of caring for logs. While they can help you improve your gameplay and gauge your performance, they can also be unhelpful. Logs have so many factors and in the end treating them as the end all be all isn’t a good idea
Personally I use my logs to gauge how good I was to a small extent. I more so look at the damage i did compared to my group. While logs can help, sometimes they are misleading
For example if you died at the end of a fight due to no fault of your own and was there for 20 sec on the ground. The log might say you did shit even if you performed perfectly while alive
left osprey
guys when you should and shouldn't pick sudden demise ?
oak tangle
Hacked logs?
the rank 1 sikran parse used to have a 0.75 multiplier on it's time step
so the lust lasted for 30s instead of 40, which means a 1.25x multiplier on total dps
proven jasper
🤡
jaunty lotus
Oh I've seen one of those before, but it just look corrupted
Saw one that compressed the first 2 min of the fight in like 20 seconds
warm vortex
Think this is the first time I won’t do the heroic raid w the guild since we started it
Gonna bring my arms for gear tbh
left osprey
guys when you should and shouldn't pick sudden demise ?
oak tangle
Think this is the first time I won’t do the heroic raid w the guild since we sta...
our team called quits for the raid tier last week
lunar kayak
heroic raid is very puggable at this point, bar queen
oak tangle
guys when you should and shouldn't pick sudden demise ?
for me personally, lower than 10's on tyrannical week
but it is so subjective
coral ibex
if you can’t pug heroic ansurek by now you can’t kill that boss period
left osprey
for me personally, lower than 10's on tyrannical week
you mean lower than 10 you should or not
coral ibex
it’s been nerfed into the dirt
warm vortex
our team called quits for the raid tier last week
Oh why?
warm vortex
if you can’t pug heroic ansurek by now you can’t kill that boss period
It’s more so the pugs can’t
People messing up bombs every pull
Somehow
oak tangle
you mean lower than 10 you should or not
should take, if you are above a 10 / fort, the trash lives long enough that you can get more value out of other things
coral ibex
It’s more so the pugs can’t
yea if you can’t pop bombs by now you are just too bad to kill the boss period
that’s just insane
warm vortex
yea if you can’t pop bombs by now you are just too bad to kill the boss period
Ohhh I thought you meant like
left osprey
should take, if you are above a 10 / fort, the trash lives long enough that you ...
thanks m8 and do you maybe know if its the same with subterfuge and 3rd vanish or the left tree doesn't change
warm vortex
If i can’t join a pug and do it I such
oak tangle
thanks m8 and do you maybe know if its the same with subterfuge and 3rd vanish o...
3rd vanish? also don't take what i said as gospel, some people still run sudden demise, it's very close
warm vortex
I run it always, I just like the talent and I feel like it comes in handy sometimes tbf
Ofc some dungeons it would be better in
left osprey
3rd vanish? also don't take what i said as gospel, some people still run sudden ...
i mean 2 vanishes sry
cobalt sphinx
sudden demise gives 10% bleed damage, it's good at all levels
umbral sierra
Ight we know we will have the motherlode and the new wwi dungeon for m+ alongside priority, darkflame, rookery, and cinderbrew.
What dungeons do u think we will have and/or which dungeons do u want for M+ as the last 2 slots?
left osprey
3rd vanish? also don't take what i said as gospel, some people still run sudden ...
whats your rio ?
mint urchin
It's just do you want more ST or AoE
oak tangle
2700
coral ibex
why does that matter
left osprey
It's just do you want more ST or AoE
aoe i guess
mint urchin
Then you go Sudden Demise
oak tangle
nooo
coral ibex
HUH
warm vortex
Ight we know we will have the motherlode and the new wwi dungeon for m+ alongsid...
I’d sayyy
I wanna see them try some older dungeons. I mean I wanna see gnomer
warm vortex
Rio does not equal skill
oak tangle
i lied im 2100
warm vortex
In no way shape or form
oak tangle
:shiftyeyes:
mint urchin
Well in some shape
left osprey
cause i think i have issue with doing damage on huge packs like first in ara kara the mobs are just dying too quick
mint urchin
If you 3500 I'd say it's a good indicator
warm vortex
Fairs
But you can get very high by being boosted
left osprey
i have like 629 ilvl and doing 1,5m overall or 1,7 overall thats not so good
spice spire
If you 3500 I'd say it's a good indicator
I’m going to shit ur pants 2
warm vortex
I’m going to shit ur pants 2
Me first please
oak tangle
wait no, i'm 529, and that's not a lie!
warm vortex
i have like 629 ilvl and doing 1,5m overall or 1,7 overall thats not so good
That’s fine?
marble tusk
Is 10,700 (26%) crit and 16,300 (53%) mastery okay? Or should I aim for more crit?
warm vortex
It varies a lot
mint urchin
I’m going to shit ur pants 2
I got room for you too babe
warm vortex
Is 10,700 (26%) crit and 16,300 (53%) mastery okay? Or should I aim for more cri...
Sim
cobalt sphinx
Is 10,700 (26%) crit and 16,300 (53%) mastery okay? Or should I aim for more cri...
doesn't matter
spice spire
Is 10,700 (26%) crit and 16,300 (53%) mastery okay? Or should I aim for more cri...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
spice spire
left osprey
That’s fine?
i think i should do more tbh
warm vortex
Also hi ill
left osprey
for that ilvl
spice spire
for that ilvl
Why
umbral sierra
I’d sayyy
I wanna see them try some older dungeons. I mean I wanna see gnomer
Mythic +12 shadowlabs
spice spire
And an actual question
warm vortex
i think i should do more tbh
I’ve done 2.1 mil at 630
But I’ve also done 1.4 at that ilevel
spice spire
Not a bad faith why
warm vortex
It varies a lot depending on group comp, dungeon, sometimes you have an off day
left osprey
i think i have overcapped mastery too much
warm vortex
No such thing
cobalt sphinx
warm vortex
;)
mint urchin
Don't look at dam and just go "I should be higher"
cobalt sphinx
did the sims in his head
spice spire
You can just sim and see what you need
oak tangle
yeah between 1.5 and 2 mil is a tank diff
mint urchin
There are so many factors
marble tusk
What about stat diminishing? I’m worried I’ve stacked too much mastery
spice spire
What about stat diminishing? I’m worried I’ve stacked too much mastery
It’s all taken into account
Robot smarter than human
left osprey
im just sayin that i saw ppl on the same ilvl doing more so im thinking what am i doing wrong
should i switch from subterfuge or should i play sudden demise etc
spice spire
im just sayin that i saw ppl on the same ilvl doing more so im thinking what am ...
Comparison is a thief of joy.
You’re also trying to 1/1 compare a game mode with about 50000000 mini-variables
cobalt sphinx
do you think you're playing wrong
spice spire
If you’re relatively close.
You should be good
oak tangle
im just sayin that i saw ppl on the same ilvl doing more so im thinking what am ...
inevitably, it's how fast your tank pulls, if you got a thirsty healer you lose dps, if you get aug buffed bigger dps. if you are only doing lower keys, did you dots even get the chance to tick out
spice spire
If you’re 600k off