assassination

[vernal turret]

Maybe will be handy for someone

Fast focus

/clearfocus
/focus [@mouseover,harm,nodead]

Kick (same for kidney)

#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus,harm,nodead][@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Kick

Rupture / Garrote

#showtooltip Rupture
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Rupture

[velvet nacelle]

wouldn't that make your kick prioritize focus over mouseover?

and i didn't know you could just leave the condition empty, mine looks the same for rupture except i specify [@target, harm,nodead] in the second condition

[vernal turret]

it is, in big packs if i have prio target for kick, i prefer to secure it by locking in focus

[velvet nacelle]

yeah i usually will focus and then move my mouse cursor way out of the fight for kicks

but i've accidentally kicked the wrong thing before during the swipe

maybe i should swap the priority...

something to think about

[viral current]

would u rather macro SHIV+TEA or KINGSBANE+TEA? ive seen both 🤔

[velvet nacelle]

it's rare enough i probably don't need to change anything

[vernal turret]

!macro

[winged quail]

If ur gonna macro tea macro it to shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[oak tangle]

maaaaan why i getting declined from 2's at 575 😦

[rare isle]

U Kinda need 600 to get into anything

[lavish geyser]

Just link your main rio

[latent cliff]

just scam your own key

[last otter]

hey guys got back into assa rogue and have been kinda struggling with my single target dps not sure if its my gear (im 614 ilvl with no trinkets but have 4 set) im ending bosses on like 4-600kdps when im told i should be doing much higher can anyone give me some idea on the rotation cuz i find myself running out of energy super quick

[subtle tundra]

do you get your mark up from the hero talent

[strange python]

It's raised a lot, over and over, just read back. But basically it's intentional and just focus on envenom uptime

I think the question seems to be asked more since anniversary patch because in a raid setting we are so flooded with energy

[last otter]

i try to keep the mark up as much as i cant but after like a minute into the fight im really now on energy

[strange python]

The reality is, the m+ ST approach hasn't really ever changed from what it was before

[strange python]

That shouldn't matter, to maintain mark you just need 1 finisher every 30s, or a full point envenom every so often

Basically don't spam envenom outside cd windows, just kinda do nothing until it's at <1s duration then refresh

But prio maintenance of bleeds in pandemic window if there is a choice between that and envenom uptime

[last otter]

i just maintain garrote and rupture?

[strange python]

Always maintain garrote and rupture, that will give you energy through vw

[last otter]

ok

[strange python]

For a good portion of the fight you will also be able to weave envemom

But don't spam, just hit it with 5+cp (unless 7 needed for darkest night) let it tick to <1s then hit it again

[last otter]

okok

[strange python]

Envenom buffs your poison that is applied through auto attack, so just maintaining the buff and autoing when energy starved is the play

[last otter]

ok thank you :D

so i open from stealth garrotte rupture i hear u use shiv then kingsbane?

then use envenom on 5cp or 7 to reapply the buff for darkest night

[strange python]

In m+ it's kingsbane then shiv with 8s left on kingsbane

[last otter]

and then keep garrotte and rupture up

[last otter]

okok

[strange python]

We only run 1 shiv in m+ so you want the damage amp for the end of kingsbane where it has already ramped some

And make sure to pop DM before KB, ideally

[wispy epoch]

the lengths we go in m+

to super charge our aoe dmg

is absurd

compared to other classes

[last otter]

okok

yeah the aoe is super good i do good in aoe

just sometimes in st im suuper low

[wispy epoch]

im over here like rupture rupture garrote garrote crimson tempest ok ok fan of knives envenom kingsbane shiv fan of knives envenom mutilate

ok ok

maybe through in your 2min cd before kingsbane

sorry swap garrote with rupture

on first part

meanwhile my fury warr just has to press thunderclap

sorry

ravager, CD macro, thunderous roar, OF, into normal rotation

[subtle tundra]

ok?

so

you fall asleep

i like to actually think while playing

[last otter]

the ramp with the posion bomb is so much more satisfying than a warrior

[wispy epoch]

in raids, the adds are dead in like 3-4 globals from fury warriors so

no ramp there

[subtle tundra]

poison bomb?

wtf

bro

[last otter]

when it explodes everywehre

it looks cool

[wispy epoch]

p-poison bomb!!!

[subtle tundra]

im so lost

[wispy epoch]

you sound silly man

[strange python]

Imo the hardest thing about sin is more group / instance related, and it's understanding how much to ramp, when to send, being aware of how quickly mobs die due to your group / mob health

[subtle tundra]

i have yet to notice poison bomb in a lonnnnnnnnng time

[worldly sail]

poison bomb chads

[strange python]

And that just comes with reps

[wispy epoch]

poison bomb does dick all

caustic spatter

now that's a move

unfortunately it's fuckin wonky for hitboxes

[worldly sail]

cant see spatter, virgin no animation vs chad poison bomb exploding

[wispy epoch]

also why does my sudden demise drop something from 5mil to dead sometimes

but other times

im watching hp go to 0

[subtle tundra]

y'all need to do some relevant content if you get to notice your poison bomb 😭

[worldly sail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515962048669286414/1300111414580744304/attachment.gif

[strange python]

Mob health and bleed duration

[wispy epoch]

yeah

i know that

but ill have like a mob at 2mil hp, a crimson tempest, improved garrote and rupture on it

and it wont auto die

or lots of mobs

doesnt sudden demise say like "ok this mob is below 5mil, all your bleeds would tick at 5mil, so imma kill it insta"

[clever sapphire]

i do notice my poison bomb, its when its hiding shit on the floor and i suddenly take a lot of dmg

[worldly sail]

poison bomb OR tredova pool?

[late tusk]

Hello! Do you have macro on Death mark with Skardyn Grace trinket?

[novel star]

Yes

[late tusk]

But what do you use first?

[timber gate]

for m+ which. 2 embelish's r BIS?

[clever sapphire]

doesnt matter

skardnys is off gcd

so its gonna go off at the same time anyways

[timber gate]

Currently Have Sigil Asc + Writhing Armor banding but iknw thats only for raid.

[late tusk]

I mean, with affix of time trinket will go out of cd no?

[clever sapphire]

well with the affix you will just delay dm till you have the trinket up

you just ignore the affix cdr

and still play as a 2 min cd

[late tusk]

mmm think im not able to do it by myself

will check wowhead to the macro

thanks

[clever sapphire]

im confused what you are not able to do

[late tusk]

The macro

writting it i mean

Not used to create mines

[clever sapphire]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Skardyn's grace
/cast Deathmark

[late tusk]

Oh, thanks

thought i ahd to do something similar to shiv ones

[daring glen]

how does this guy have kb on 50 s cd?

deathmark on 1 min 40 s cd

[oak tangle]

that good old bugged chestnut log

[leaden garden]

Whats up with shiv macro? Never used

[normal mist]

probably paladin buff

[lyric grail]

i got a question about the bis sim list from fuu, anyone knows why the 2nd embelishment for single target raid has different stats on fate/deathstalker like its haste/mastery or vers/mastery - can i just go crit/mastery and do rest with gems?

[normal mist]

ST requires simming
M+ you're good to go with crit mastery, since haste has really low impact

[lyric grail]

y but it values versa for some reason in raid

while crit sims way better

or mastery

[late tusk]

Well this says a lot to me, cause i simm my self to ms and it looks like game want me at 0 haste

[oak tangle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

i was about to use that command

hehe

[oak tangle]

the number one question that isnt a question

[lyric grail]

okay and if its the same

[oak tangle]

SIM YO SELF

[lyric grail]

its THE SAME

[normal mist]

What is the same?

[lyric grail]

crit/mastery or vers/mastery for waist embelishment

+0

[normal mist]

raid or m+?

[lyric grail]

raid

[normal mist]

sim

[oak tangle]

then sim it for m+

[lyric grail]

BRO

can u read?

[oak tangle]

and pick the one that is better for m+

you're asking what to take when they sim equal

[blazing warren]

Hey

Why is there such a difference in build for Wowhead/Icyveins?

[oak tangle]

if they are the saem for raid it doesn't matter

[lyric grail]

yea and people telling me to sim

its the same - the sim doesnt tell me what is the better choice

[dry dagger]

Anyone know how I can make a specific debuff larger with Plater?

[oak tangle]

???

[lyric grail]

i use in m+ different embelishment

cant use it in m+

[normal mist]

can you link the sim in question?

[oak tangle]

what do you mean the sim doesn't tell you.

it's telling you they are equal

[normal mist]

there are ... 500+ builds possible for assassination iirc, from Whispyr's quick maths

it got to a point people just SIM their best choice

[blazing warren]

Sim each talent?

[oak tangle]

what you are experiencing is the reason we tell people to sim, and not just dumbass recommend stat weights, because they are so balanced for our spec

[normal mist]

different sets of talents

this is my best simming build

[blazing warren]

So no talent build you can just always run?

[oak tangle]

any of them

[normal mist]

i mean, i run this 100% of the time

[blazing warren]

For M+?

With Caustic Splatter

[leaden garden]

Yes m+

[frosty bridge]

you can run any of the builds, they all blast, i would for example drop iron wire in groupsi with prot paladins and resto shamans in some dungeons

[blazing warren]

Whats the philosophy between the builds? Wowhead stopped kinda explaining it to be honest

[oak tangle]

not really much difference

[blazing warren]

The second Vanish charge

[oak tangle]

they all play identical

[warm drift]

More utility with 2 vanish

[oak tangle]

shifting some damage to / from kb

is about as nuanced as it gets

[blazing warren]

I see some people go for Supercharger and they dont play 7 CP

[frosty bridge]

can you link that build?

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[frosty bridge]

i have only seen supercharger with lethality and subterfuge dropped

[normal mist]

People can literally play whatever the fuck they want

[oak tangle]

caveat being kb and DTB

[normal mist]

and caustic

and CT

[oak tangle]

even CT can be dropped though

if you omega nerd prio damage

[blazing warren]

The Icyveins M+ recommended build plays 1/2 Supercharger with no right side

[frosty bridge]

not sure how worth that would be with singular focus

[blazing warren]

2 Lethality

[oak tangle]

2 points saved and you can take 2nd shiv

just dependso n content

[frosty bridge]

yeah but you dont drop Deeper stratagem

[blazing warren]

13-15 keys?

[blazing warren]

Yeah i meant the Sub and dobule Vanish

With Soothing Darkness as well

[oak tangle]

moral of the story, is sim yourself, play whatever you want, stats dont matter

[frosty bridge]

yeah the amount of builds is kinda nuts

[blazing warren]

That cant be true

[oak tangle]

reading the guide and importing their build is good enough

if you want to go further, sim yourself

[frosty bridge]

nobody knows what the best build is in a given scenario, too many combinations and variables, comp differences etc

[normal mist]

^ this guy knows

[blazing warren]

There isnt a staple build you could just run every M+?

[normal mist]

no

[blazing warren]

I understand once youre better you can adjust it

[normal mist]

i mean

yes

[frosty bridge]

that is kinda any build

[normal mist]

but no

[blazing warren]

But no "play this until you feel the spec"?

[frosty bridge]

you cant really go too wrong

[warm drift]

People love cookie cutter builds

[blazing warren]

I dont care for cookie cutter

I just like stability

I dont enjoy swapping builds around

[normal mist]

pick one then

and stick with it

[blazing warren]

I like to have one build i can just go with

[frosty bridge]

Most builds are "stable", there is no wrong answer

[oak tangle]

every single m+ build is this, 5 ruptures out, CT, spatter main target, kb main target

[frosty bridge]

use this build for every key, switch iron wire for MA when you have enough kicks in your group and not need iron wire to group packs:

[oak tangle]

the nuance is the added stuff of extra vanish, or of extra shiv, or of extra cp

pick your flavor of added nuance

[blazing warren]

What of Hero Talents?

[oak tangle]

DSM

[frosty bridge]

those are always the same#

[blazing warren]

I still need to learn from some source, so picking a talent build that people dont really play as much would make it worse?

[warm drift]

People play this build

[oak tangle]

fatebound is only played in pure ST in raid

[warm drift]

Take it

Its good

[oak tangle]

and it is a minor gain

with high rng variance, so potentially even not

[blazing warren]

The one someone posted just now?

[warm drift]

Yes

[blazing warren]

How would Assassination compare to Outlaw if i only ever played Outlaw?

No Subtlety no Assassination

[normal mist]

nothing alike

[oak tangle]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAttNzMYmxYmZWmlxYwMzYGMzMbbLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwyA

just import that and go with it

[warm drift]

^

Most people know there stuff in here

[oak tangle]

sin is slow, methodical

[frosty bridge]

very different, but assa is just the best spec for keys easily at the moment

[blazing warren]

Is Assassination harder than Outlaw?

[frosty bridge]

Marginally harder i would say

[oak tangle]

entirely dependant on the person, I find outlaw too hard

but im just wired to spin plates

[blazing warren]

Shiv is required?

[oak tangle]

yes

i guess you could consider shiv the equivalent to BTE?

[frosty bridge]

not really

[blazing warren]

BtE is spammed

[frosty bridge]

more like Ghostly strike i guess but even that is a bad comparison lol

[blazing warren]

Does Shiv reduce cooldown?

Oh okay

[oak tangle]

sin has no cdr

it's just our damage amp

[blazing warren]

Do you often put dots on multiple targets?

[oak tangle]

yes

5 ruptures on every pack

[blazing warren]

Like Rupture 1 then 2 then 3...

I assume that takes some time?

[oak tangle]

we take IC which sends out 2/3 at a time

[warm drift]

I think you should read or watch a guide on how to play assa in m+

[oak tangle]

you should read the guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fickle light]

assa looks super difficult on paper but just read a guide and go hit some dummies, i went from being a outlaw 1 trick to playing it as well

[blazing warren]

Yeah i do read them

The rotation just feels very complicated

[fickle light]

give it a few dungeons and you will have a rough idea of whats happening

[blazing warren]

IC?

[oak tangle]

the number one tip i can give you for sin as an outlaw only player... don't try and gcd lock

[atomic relic]

i think its cuz of thsi week affix

[daring glen]

its in raid

sikran log

[oak tangle]

nah the log is bugged, the entire log was hit with a .75 multiplier for time

lust lasts 30s

[blazing warren]

Hm?

[oak tangle]

instead of 40

[blazing warren]

Dont fill every GCD?

[atomic relic]

oh okk

[fickle light]

in ST for example you will run out of energy if you spam constantly, its very different to outlaw where missing a gcd is a loss of dps

[slate crown]

correct

you do not have enough energy to fill every gcd

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[blazing warren]

So you pool energy for your cds?

In ST?

[oak tangle]

kinda, yeah

i mean we do pool, just not how we used to so i guess people will say we dont

[blazing warren]

Can you play with 0 haste?

[oak tangle]

yes

[blazing warren]

Is that recommended?

[normal mist]

above 1

[oak tangle]

sim

is the answer

stats dont matter

[blazing warren]

Do as the robot commands?

[normal mist]

yes

[blazing warren]

Okay

Really i just want to actually play the game

[oak tangle]

i think you overthinking it my man

[warm drift]

Then do it and dont overthink

[oak tangle]

import m+ build, and go hit mobs

[blazing warren]

I meant like play instead of apply to keys haha

Outlaw isnt even bad or anything

I think that at least

[oak tangle]

sin just has an extreme burst damage profile, which lets you front load into bigger packs

[blazing warren]

Do you need to restealth between each pack?

I would assume just chaining is better

[oak tangle]

no

[blazing warren]

But i hear people constantly complain about not letting them stealth

Feels like a waste of time unless its a big pack or a boss

But i dont play Assassination so

[oak tangle]

without a trace build, which i believe is the one i linked you makes it even easier with 2 vanish charges

even if chain pulling is a damage loss for you (the rogue) your group gains damage by not having to wait, meaning you do it faster

[fickle light]

think of it like restealthing on outlaw, its not the worst thing in the world but it feels a lot nicer

[blazing warren]

You mean without Without a Trace or with Without a Trace?

[oak tangle]

with 'without a trace'

[blazing warren]

The screenshot posted didnt have it?

[oak tangle]

stealth garrote is powerful utility, it saves some gcd's on openers, but the silence from iron wire is king

yeah it didn't. it's more of a nice to have build, because it really doesn't end up making a whole lot of difference, as the cooldowns of each charge are not independant, meaning once you use the 3rd cast or so of vanish in the key, if you were to use it on cd, it's like not having the talent, so it is more useful when you sparingly need to use vanish in a snap

which could be a big pack that needs interrupts and you weren't able to restealth etc

[atomic relic]

if i want too simulation a talent i ahve too use which section in simc/

[balmy prism]

Proper chain pulling is good, but most tanks don't know how to do that, instead they pull when like only one mob remains with 10-15% hp, that's bad

[oak tangle]

you use top gear, and create the tree down the bottom

[atomic relic]

thnak you

[atomic relic]

i got confused there xD

[blazing warren]

I got 2xKukri should i try to get Regicide?

I would imagine its not really that big of a deal

[oak tangle]

what ilvl

[atomic relic]

and hwo its simulate both talent builds?

[oak tangle]

just click them

[atomic relic]

ah kk

[blazing warren]

Myth track

639

[oak tangle]

best to just sim, again ilvl is the only important stat, secondaries are up to robot

[late tusk]

Mm more or less ( i know it depends on dungeon) which overall you running to do 12s?

[blazing warren]

Does Assassination have any cool flavor thingies?

Some Glyphs maybe or similar

[oak tangle]

i mean we have just basic rogue ones

nothing really cool

[blazing warren]

No stuff like a Legion talking Artifact?

[late tusk]

THere is not even beauti daggers

[oak tangle]

not that i'm aware of

[late tusk]

so imagine about glyhs

[oak tangle]

the closest was sylvannas daggers from SoD

i guess you can count the shards of azzinoth from illidan?

[noble vault]

In m+ how long should I wait to line up death mark and kings bane?

[oak tangle]

they dont talk or anything, but they are legendaries

[oak tangle]

you should never desync them

[late tusk]

but you can use kings between dm cds

[rare isle]

It lines perfectly every two min if you always use on cd

[noble vault]

I mean ideally yes but if there is 2 dude left with 15% hp I’m not gonna pop kings bane at the 1 min mark

[rare isle]

Why not?

I rather do that than desync

[oak tangle]

i mean it's a fair point, that is just knowledge of what's coming up tbh

[blazing warren]

Does Assassination struggle in some target count situation?

I know Sub used to have issues on like 2-4 targets?

Not sure if thats true still

[oak tangle]

there are cases to kb without dm, if you know you're coming up to a more important pull

but ideally, you should aim to have no downtime

[lethal turtle]

Are we talking about in m+ scenario.

[noble vault]

Ok let’s say I fucked up and now it’s desyncd by 15 sec. I should wait both before popping it?

[blazing warren]

Yeah, but i wont ignore raid as well

[oak tangle]

i would hold dm for kb, probably just send kb if dm was desynced

dunno what is ideal tbh

[rare isle]

I would wait simply just to have them synced again

[oak tangle]

in keys dm loses some value at times, because it's just not worth it on some packs because the mob will get obliterated (depending heavily on key level)

[lethal turtle]

Our raid ST slaps. But I feel pure st in m+ build is our weakest point inside a dgn. I’m no rogue expert just a reroll around 3100

[atomic relic]

TTK just giving +2 sec on envenom duration?

[oak tangle]

not just +2s

you get a second stack = double the bonus

[atomic relic]

hmmm

[oak tangle]

hard to maintain outside cd's

[atomic relic]

true

[novel star]

holy

velf ON TOP !!!!!!!!

an unbelievable win for the bis race

[spice surge]

Unfortunately they made the dps passive worse in general

[novel star]

DONT CARE

im pretty + my teleport is buffed

[oak tangle]

i do not think i have ever used that teleport

[novel star]

the speed is crazy

[spice surge]

Because its not rppm (aka random proc roughly every 1 minute) instead of a 60 second ICD that always procs

[oak tangle]

and my velf is a priest

[novel star]

its lowkey already useful as fuck

in some encounters

precasting it for rashanan bombs

ansurek wall

[atomic relic]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x766mBGGFZEpHyK7eS95A9

[oak tangle]

would much prefer it, if it worked like the venthyr teleport

[novel star]

i never used that unfortunately

im too gay and queer and gay

i played night fae

:3

[atomic relic]

if anyone intrest xD

[oak tangle]

was a ground target and you appear

[late tusk]

Lol you are 1ilvl ahead of me and youa re simming like 600more dmg ovearll

[atomic relic]

xDD

[oak tangle]

missed opportunity to have you sink into a void portal and appear out the other

[novel star]

eh

[late tusk]

How is that possible

[novel star]

the new visuals do make it way way cooler

but im mostly concerned with the speed and duration buff

[late tusk]

I mean, there is no clue on need rng vault to improve

[novel star]

that shit is legit already useful if you go galaxy brain

now its just insane

best racial in the game surely..

[atomic relic]

i ahve no idea xD

[novel star]

unless ur like a loser and u care about breaking cc as gnome or whatever.

[oak tangle]

i cannot agree because of every time i get to restealth / skip mechanics as a nelf

[atomic relic]

stats i think

[novel star]

[oak tangle]

some form of cheese in grim batol on every boss as a nelf

dont ask me how i know

[late tusk]

We got same items

but back and second weapon

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/it7kAHiirGyVCYQnrRJ6Gz

look

[warm vortex]

I want a vault ring

or hell neck, if guild kills sikran today i won't complain about a neck in the vault

[oak tangle]

you arent using consumables

[warm vortex]

I need 2 rings, 1 trinket and 1 neck

then ive gotten either crafted or myth everything

Anyway abck to smashing my head against a wall

i belice this is the 7th 12 this week imma try with pugss
hoping its the first one i time

Oh and boots

i didn't see the boots

[late tusk]

But consumables gives 600ks dmg?

I think its a an huge diff

[oak tangle]

weapon stones

pretty good

[late tusk]

i will re-check consumalbes then

[oak tangle]

also raid buffs

you just have that whole section toggled off

i imagine

[limber lion]

Just saying

You do not want to sim Dungeon Slice with all raid buffs

[oak tangle]

you mean i can't have a 20 man m+?

[limber lion]

:)

[late tusk]

gotcha

feeling pretty stucked right now with no valut/raid m drops

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5mHfPdzynAdTVR46X5saFS

This is the sim with the raidbuffs

But again, not really something you should sim

[late tusk]

Ye ye i get that

Prob just need to wait a little bit more from next week to push

[quasi stump]

Hi rooges

[atomic relic]

loool i ahve no idea xDDD

[slate crown]

gm

[atomic relic]

its better now

[muted ridge]

I was fucking around in +10, what should dmg breakdown look like, should CT maybe be higher?

[low kernel]

For Mythic Kyveza, if you want to cloak the dash do you have to do it in the last second during the full immunity phase or do you just need cloak on before you get dashed?

[muted ridge]

before you get hit

so if ur refering to intermission, jsut cloak last 6 sec of intermission or so

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1mahkeuNNAv1VKw1G9tGfc

without ever taking into account sims, i just follow guides and get ilvl. kinda funny how i'm optimised

[coral ibex]

regular cloak is fine

[slate crown]

ur very green

[low kernel]

ty

[oak tangle]

i embody poison

[simple gyro]

the balance of power skin for kingslayers works well with that too, especially since the blades have poison vials where the sigil would be

[oak tangle]

some say full set, i say back attachment

XD

[simple gyro]

gas mask from valentines, then full set

[atomic relic]

is there any TOT duration tracker?

[oak tangle]

tot?

[limber lion]

Tricks of the Trade

Why would you need that?

[oak tangle]

blackjack all day

[warm vortex]

Naerly just

lost a 12 DB

cause people followed boss to platform

3 ppl died

my and tank had to die so we could reset boss

alos final boss was pulled outside of melee range so he killed one person immediatly

Hate how DB fucks up your dps and makes it look wrose

had a 2.1Mil before final boss

Ended up being much lower
we also wiped on last but eh

[lavish geyser]

at what key lvl would it be worth swappoing to sub in NW? next Nw im gonna run is probably 13 🙂

[novel star]

sub like sub tle ty

or sub ter fuge

[lavish geyser]

I didnt explain very well, swapping to subtelty on the last 2 bosses 🙂

[novel star]

[oak tangle]

when you cant kill the boss

[novel star]

yea

i mean

thats some

unbelievable m+ brain there

if ur pushing world first keys maybe do it otherwise you are smoking cock

[lavish geyser]

idk have just seen ppl doing it in 13s

[novel star]

if you have to set your hearthstone to bastion or whatever

for a +13

you are

[spice surge]

Assa is just unbeliably ass on the last boss

[novel star]

really bad

[lavish geyser]

cant you use port?

[spice surge]

But ye 15ish probably

[warm vortex]

Any idea what rio you would be at with a 12 done on all dungeons

[slate crown]

can I do both tho?

[warm vortex]

like 2.9?

[novel star]

like yea sub kinda goes hard there but that shit is unhinged

[lavish geyser]

dont think it rly is, if you can use your portal to get in front

of dungeon

[lethal turtle]

Coke or cock. Lmfao wtf

[cerulean walrus]

Yes

[novel star]

Cock.

[coral ibex]

smoking on that cock pack

[lavish geyser]

ok imma go in a +2 and check

[royal lantern]

its #assassination

cock

[warm vortex]

"if you think of changing specs on a 13 you must be sucking cock"

[worldly sail]

cock smoking action

[novel star]

sure

[lavish geyser]

would only be for that dungeon 🙂

[lethal turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-kiss-suck-girl-gif-5525710854024677285

[cerulean walrus]

Cocksmokers unite

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/ninomae-inanis-takodachi-tako-no-horni-horni-gif-26104396

[warm vortex]

assa players will see this and think "Hell yea"

[slate crown]

spraying myself in the face

[warm vortex]

😳

[gilded mirage]

New to assassination. Why is this the case? Does the shield wipe the dots or something?

[warm vortex]

Shit ST

[lavish geyser]

I dont see why its weird to want to change specs for the pure st fights, that are back to back

[spice surge]

To be able to kill the downstair adds you need to hold darkest night for when the dark exile comes out

[warm vortex]

It takes time to go out and change right

[lavish geyser]

my question was rly if it was worth it

[spice surge]

To be able to break the shield you need to hold darkest night for it

So you just end up sitting on darkest night and doing no damage

[cerulean walrus]

Nah just Mandate the add

[spice surge]

For most of the fight

[lavish geyser]

yes, but you have the spawnpoint from killing 2nd boss. so you change when they go to trash

[warm vortex]

Easy solution
don't run DS, run FB instead
yes it will present you with more problems
but eh ignore that

[lavish geyser]

I mean ofc its doable, dmg is just gonna suck when on the bosses.

[jaunty kayak]

hey, flensing knives fixed or?

[spice surge]

yes

[jaunty kayak]

aight, cheers

[warm vortex]

Depleted 3rd SoB this week
was tanks fault and not healers this time

[novel star]

blizzard hates us we needed flensing knives to be viable

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-glorpshit-amaryllei-gif-11210284859186783751

[warm vortex]

I think i might need to do a 12 SV or NW to get 2.8K in one dungeon atm

Nw time :(

[young carbon]

Hey all! Is there a list anyway for the recommended macros for assassination?

[royal lantern]

deathmark with your active trinket

and shiv+tea

thats it

[ocean ore]

hey all! can someone help me with this question:
why this talent isnt better then bone spikes?

since we get starved to quick on single

[young carbon]

Ty!

[torn thunder]

the answer is simple, it isn't better because its worse

[final dawn]

probably a stupid ass question but when casting deathmark, the dmg applies to already applied bleeds, right? xD

[vast loom]

Yes

[solid palm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deep breach]

another day another slog through GB. I simmed it and its not a huge upgrade on my current trinks, considering giving up

[solid palm]

Anyone know how to get a nameplate to change color based on debuff? I just need it for caustic spatter, and when i take a script from one of profiles above, it doesn't seem to work

[ivory kernel]

My guild is on Ovinax tonight for the first time, I'm watching a video claiming rogues cant remove webs from themselves? Cloak does not interact with this mechanic?

[knotty canopy]

U can cloak or vanish

[fringe crater]

Isn't the heaving retch poison damage? How do I die here with cloak of shadows on?

[clever sapphire]

afaik cloak only immunes that if you cast it 1 sec before the ability

[fringe crater]

Same question for the AOE frost from the mob before second boss:

[clever sapphire]

and seeing that log, it was 1.2s

no idea how it works only know how it happened

[coral ibex]

!nw

[prisma monolith]

The breath/frontal from the first boss in Necrotic Wake is an attack, not a spell.

In order to immune the the breath, you must be in the first second of cloak of shadows (“a moment of magic immunity”). After the first second of cloak of shadows has elapsed, the attack will hit you and no longer be immuned.
Alternatively you can use evasion to dodge the breath.

[coral ibex]

[clever sapphire]

there is legit a command for everything dafuck

[clever sapphire]

im like 99% sure that you can only dodge that with a full immunity

so like bop

[fringe crater]

but "magic immunity" seems full to me, unless this chill scythe is hpysical

[clever sapphire]

physical

[fringe crater]

I c

[clever sapphire]

since well its a scythe

so ya

[cunning geyser]

!stealth

[fringe crater]

Does the same count for spew desease from rotspew? I tried to feint that one and it did 5 mil to me

[cunning geyser]

I read something somewhere from Whispyr saying that restealthing in keys wasn't such a big deal, what's the command?

[clever sapphire]

!restealth

ye i dunno the command anymore

[slate crown]

that was the command

[clever sapphire]

ah so i do know the command

[cunning geyser]

ah it's a big deal now?

[ivory kernel]

he did a side by side of a dungeon with restealthing after mobs and it was a very very minor difference

While ago

No clue how it stands now

[fringe crater]

This seems like a lot of damage given that I had feint up with elussiveness talented

[clever sapphire]

nah its still whatever, like sure its gonna feel better to get a restealth but its not that big

[oak tangle]

You stood in the dot?

[clever sapphire]

you can just stand back a bit if the mob is like 5% and get a restealth that way

and if the tank is chaining properly its not that big of a deal

[winged quail]

depends, sometimes caustic will cleave off the mob if the tank pulls it in to the next pack even if you stand back

[fringe crater]

It's the aura around him, no? But spew disease is targetted, and I feinted it, but it still did 5.1M damage

[oak tangle]

What do you need a restealth for if the mobs are on top of you

[clever sapphire]

what key lvl was that

[vernal turret]

he said that when hybrid played without MA, now with master assassin + sub refuge it has much bigger value

[clever sapphire]

kinda need that context

[fringe crater]

It was a +12

But the 40% from feint seems more than enough. I was targeted twice, once I cloaked, second i feinted

[winged quail]

you can evasion it too no?

[fringe crater]

Evasion is only 20% though

[clever sapphire]

i also did just die on a 12 to that ability through feint, but i only took 3.6M dmg

[fringe crater]

feint seems better

[winged quail]

you can layer them

[fringe crater]

yeah that seems correct, no idea how I took 5.1m

[oak tangle]

Isn’t there a mob in those packs that debuffs you

[wheat oxide]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[wheat oxide]

just got this build from here, wanting to try it out

has anyone tried it? is it better than the recomended one from IV?

[oak tangle]

which guide has that

[wheat oxide]

someone posted this herein the assassination chanel a few days ago, but I just now got time to play, cant find the message

not sure what to think about it?

i feel like i am lacking in dps in m+ dungs

[oak tangle]

it would feel like ass on openers

[blazing totem]

no bonespike looks cursed

[oak tangle]

and your kb's will hit like wet noodles

but you will do more bleed damage

[clever sapphire]

that seems like a build from before all the changes

[oak tangle]

but you dont have bone spike, which is a bleed

[wheat oxide]

true that

the double vanish with garrote silences seems useful, thats the only thing that caught my eye

[clever sapphire]

only upside i can see in that build is having blindside

[clever sapphire]

this is the recommended m+ build on wowhead

[oak tangle]

i could see arterial pumping in some aoe though, i kinda wish the hybrid build could use it

[clever sapphire]

sooooooo there goes that point

[oak tangle]

problem with arterial is it's meh the more targets past 5 you go

[wheat oxide]

i currently use this one, but i feel like I should be doing more damage

[clever sapphire]

well what key lvl, what group size, aoe or st

[wheat oxide]

or im messing up my rotation

[clever sapphire]

gimme some context

[oak tangle]

i swap sudden demise with sanguine blades, about the only change i made

[wheat oxide]

+10 keys, mostly missing ST damage, on bosses

[clever sapphire]

well there ya go

assa sucks in ST in keys

[wheat oxide]

haha so there is no real cure so to say haha

[oak tangle]

the cure is to pull trash onto bosses

[wheat oxide]

kek

[clever sapphire]

you could talent into twist the knife over SD for a bit more ST i guess

not sure how impactful that is

[oak tangle]

as much as i say it as a joke, the funnel and energy sutain you'd get from pulling onto bosses is nothing to sneeze at

[clever sapphire]

well ye problem is, if you do that the other 2 dps is only gonna press aoe to pad their overall

[wheat oxide]

well I could only do that in guild runs, or with friends, pugs arent very welcoming to that sort of giga play

[clever sapphire]

also on like dawn 2nd boss i like rupturing the cocoons for a bit more energy/scent value

[oak tangle]

yeah, i mean even i dont do groups that do that

[wheat oxide]

energy sustain on m+ bosses sucks tho

[wheat oxide]

noted

one more question for you guys if you got the time

I am currently sitting on 623ilvl about to craft my second item for the double embelish

[oak tangle]

not sure what that statement means tbh

you only have 1 embellished item?

[wheat oxide]

however in raids I usually do not parse phenomenally, mostly blue and green

[wheat oxide]

i mean i have only one crafted, thought i should craft the item that doubles embelishments? or did i not understand that correctly?

[oak tangle]

depends what embellishment you have

[clever sapphire]

embelishments are pretty minimal this season

[oak tangle]

raid is ascension + writhing banding

[wheat oxide]

tl;dr any tips for the raid, specifically hc/mythic how to parse better i guess

[clever sapphire]

you can also just run ascension + dawnthread

[oak tangle]

would need to see logs

[clever sapphire]

your logs wont be that impacted by your embellishment

so its probably the fact that you are 623 at this time of the season where people with 10+ ilvl above you are killing bosses 1-2 min faster probably

which by default makes it harder for you to do a good log

but it wont be the embellishments fault

[oak tangle]

alot of the times when people are struggling it's cause of shitty kb windows

late / non existant shivs for end of kb, etc

[pine dew]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

also one thing i have seen quite often lately from people new to assa, they just forget about their hero tree

and i just see 30% uptime of that

like them losing the hero tree after first intermission on first boss

or just not opening with ambush and never applying the mark

[wheat oxide]

since i recently got into the whole parsing thing, i did not know that boss killtime affects parses

[oak tangle]

some classes it doesn't, for us since we rely so heavily on our 2 minute cd's for damage, alot

[wheat oxide]

because when I compare spell usage and analyzing my KB+shiv+tea usage I am mostly keeping up with that pretty well

aaaaaa didnt know that

[waxen oyster]

you arent gonna parse orange at 623

[wheat oxide]

thanks!!

[waxen oyster]

thats low ilvl

[wheat oxide]

oh im not trying to parse orange

i am aware of my limitations

[oak tangle]

if a fight ends roughly 20-30 seconds after a 2 minute interval, good time

[clever sapphire]

well if you kill a boss at 6 minutes (aka 5 seconds before your dm/kb window) you are just fucked by default

[wheat oxide]

but some purples here and there would be nice

[waxen oyster]

even thats idk

[oak tangle]

do you have a link to logs

[clever sapphire]

thats possible, gotta get good crits and good pad

[oak tangle]

can be more specific if you post

[deep breach]

i personally dont run sudden demise or iron wire (dungeon dependant) amd take twist the knife and sanguine blades.

[coral ibex]

we do a lot more damage in our cds than outside, so ideally the boss dies as your deathmark ends

bc that is literally the peak of your damage

[waxen oyster]

no iron wire is beyond banned

[wheat oxide]

will do that in the future sorry

[deep breach]

no iron wire is fine with a group that realises it has kicks

which granted is rare

[oak tangle]

i can look them up, what's your character name?

[waxen oyster]

so never a pug

i drop bonespike idk

[deep breach]

i rarely pug

[waxen oyster]

or play standard wowhead

[deep breach]

bonespike feels waaaay too good

im never dropping bonespike

[clever sapphire]

i also dont run SD, i just take sanguine over it and maybe swap out iron wire for ttk if i feel like it

[waxen oyster]

still doing over 2m without

[oak tangle]

i mean i can see why bonespike can be dropped, it saves 2 gcd's in the opener and that's abotu it

[coral ibex]

for example this rashanan log ended like 10s after my reopener finished

[clever sapphire]

tried it, its not bad but it just doesnt feel right

[waxen oyster]

yeah and doomblade fucking sucks

[vast patio]

I like bonespike for vault farm keys but can see why you'd drop it for anything 'high'

[clever sapphire]

well doomblade is another lethal dose stack so its not as bad as you think

[waxen oyster]

well thats the only thing its good for

[clever sapphire]

the comfort of bonespike is totally worth it for me

[waxen oyster]

i’d prob drop SD higher you go

[fiery onyx]

On big AoE pulls when using kingsbane, do i keep spamming fan or do i want to mutilate the kingsbane target till it runs out?

[deep breach]

using mutilate to keep splatter up

[oak tangle]

a mixture

[deep breach]

otherwise its fan really

[fiery onyx]

Aight. Thanks, thats what ive been doing. I just cant seem make my dps pop off like i see other rogues do. When they hit that 6-7m dps on AoE

[errant mauve]

i thought sudden demise lost alot of value in higher keys like 11+

[deep breach]

try and spread your bleeds on different targets rather than hitting just 1 target with garrote and rapture. make sure spatter is always up as well and crimson tempest

if you hit just one target with garrote/rapture it wont spread to everything in big packs.

[gloomy heart]

i don’t even like it in 8-10s

[errant mauve]

yea i dont use it but wondering why its suggested on wowhead

[waxen oyster]

average player isnt good

[worldly sail]

you don't want to waste too much time trying to bleed everything in big packs

[errant mauve]

whats scotticus talking about.. garrote and rupture both smart spread

[worldly sail]

5 ruptures for agi buff and pump spatter

[errant mauve]

pick prio target gar gar rupt rupt theres 5 of both out

[waxen oyster]

you waste a bleed

not tabbing

[errant mauve]

yea

[deep breach]

yeah i always tab once at least

[violet berry]

Has anyone made a list of mechanics that are cloakable this tier

[errant mauve]

annoying to try to relocate target with DN on it though

[violet berry]

Or evasion

[coral ibex]

tab targeting for bleeds is super cooked

you waste time finding your prio target

[errant mauve]

unless someone has a plater i can steal that like highlights DN target

[coral ibex]

which negates any gain you get from additional bleeds

either mouseover bleeds or just cleave them with carnage

its not a signficant loss to just cleave them off your prio target

[waxen oyster]

do people notbhave

mouseover focus

….

[errant mauve]

i dont mouseover my bleeds... i mouseover my kick stuns sap blind and tricks

[waxen oyster]

no i mean

[errant mauve]

even though blind doesnt need mouseover anymore i just havent changed it

[waxen oyster]

mouseover to change focus

then focus cc

[errant mauve]

ohh

nah i dont

[waxen oyster]

its the easiest way

[errant mauve]

tell me more.... im intrigued

[waxen oyster]

idk you just have a mouseover that sets focus

[keen glade]

hello, can i have 2 crafted daggers ?

without embelishments

[normal mist]

yes

[deep breach]

yes

[normal mist]

but you don't really care about the OH dagger

[keen glade]

i have 636 / 626 thats why im thinking to craft one more

[normal mist]

not really worth it

but just SIM it

[keen glade]

ok thanks

[upbeat osprey]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[vast patio]

Do you always use that macro with shiv?

I never play sin pls don't bully

[oak badger]

I farm mists for a long time, no neck drops. Will I lose a lot if I craft a jeweler's neck?

[vast patio]

One of the best rogues on io has a crafted neck so

but like, this close to vault I'd probably wait eh?

[iron valve]

to my knowledge, optimally you would use tea manually for energy during shiv window, but it's fine to just macro it

[sly lion]

How's Assa for overall PvE? (Raids upto HC only) . I don't enjoy playing Sub

[vast patio]

That's what I've been doing but I'm basically winging it.

[tired gull]

assa is good, very fun

[sly lion]

That's good to know, it's not primed for a nerf?

[subtle tundra]

nope

[vast patio]

doesn't seem like it.

if anything enhance will get nuked

[sly lion]

That's good enough for me

[vast patio]

but who knows, balance has been scuffed af this expac

[sly lion]

Imagine playing/learning a class/spec and it gets nerfed in a month or so

[subtle tundra]

idk they cant nerf specs now

esp enhance

or they do and nerf all keys

which is fine ig

but if they nerf enhance gg pushing

[vast patio]

My other characters are a brewmaster and arcane mage. I was compelled to dust off the rogue lmao

I rolled ones on my class choices for the season apparently

[proven jasper]

Arcane mage is insane tho

[fading garnet]

Hi,
As a tank, how important is it to wait for rogue restealths? I see that complaint often but I read someone say it's not a big deal

[patent heart]

Most people are whiney but stealth is huge damage and utility

[fading garnet]

Is it worth it in an average key not to chain pull to wait for the restealth?

[patent heart]

If it's a dangerous pack u def want re stealth

[hexed frost]

When you play with a ret or fdk and tank keeps chaining trash

[patent heart]

If it's just a normal pack they're just bitching cause they are doing less DMG

[fading garnet]

Yeah that's really the question, is it right to not chain?

[hexed frost]

This is why I play nelf. Just go in a corner, restealth and pop garrotes left and right

[dusky lichen]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[patent heart]

I'd say to avoid them bitching don't. But in reality unless it's a dangerous pack it's whatever. They'll do probably 10-20% less DMG on the pack

[vast patio]

I'm really tempted to go nelf soon lol

especially for the non-subterfuge builds

[wanton imp]

How bad is it if I spread all my garrote/rupture casting on the main target for 10T

[iron valve]

~33% worse (because 3->2, lol)

actual answer: I don't think you really bother keeping bleeds up past ~5 targets, so it wouldn't make that much of a difference - two casts would put bleeds up on 6 targets instead of 5

[urban cedar]

!macro

[subtle tundra]

not true for ruptures

cause rupture value is scent of blood mostly

[hexed frost]

if I'm running MA+subterfuge, and I'm in a deathmark window from a stealth opener, is it okay if I refresh my first garrote during last global of imp. Garrote instead of using vanish?

It still covers the entire duration of kingsbane and DM though

[blazing warren]

Can someone explain why crafting isnt worth the crests in the pins?

[gloomy otter]

how do i sim which trinket combination is best for ST? https://i.imgur.com/DgRJ7sA.png

[blazing warren]

Isnt upgrading gear less efficient than crafting?

[lethal turtle]

A mythic track is 75 or less to 639. A craft is 90 for 636

[blazing warren]

Select ST build, Patchwerk 5m, select all trinkets and make their ilvl maxed out if same track i think?

[lethal turtle]

That is the definition of less efficient

[spice surge]

Assuming you have items to upgrade instead yes (talking to swapzxy)

[blazing warren]

Oh okay

[lethal turtle]

If your character is a rat or only m+ and you out gain gilded vs mythic gear acquisition. Then the subject changes and crafting is good

[gloomy otter]

ty

[lethal turtle]

Cause holding 300 gilded is brain dmg too

[blazing warren]

Is Assa looking to have 0 haste on gear?

[lethal turtle]

Whatever simc tells us. I have around 2k in what I have as bis 631

[worthy timber]

why do i see a lot of rogues using a higher iL dagger in the OH and not the main hand? is there something im missing?

[wheat bridge]

how long has master assassin been 12s? or is this a visual bug

or does subterfuge add 6s?

[vague pivot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m9xWqZvpqb9Ma87FfohRSp

can one explain me why the alchy trinket sim so strong and nobody use it ?

[coral ibex]

read the subterfuge talent

[wheat vigil]

Probably a stupid question, but can you turn off the < 30 auto cast on thistle tea?

[coral ibex]

yea you can remove the talent

[wheat vigil]

Oo. That’s what it is, my bad

Gracias

[blazing warren]

Do you ever use Poisoned Knife?

[proven jasper]

If you cant be in melee sure

for whatever reason

[blazing warren]

Are Tricks bugged?

Or is there some window where they apply first

[proven jasper]

you have to hit a target

[blazing warren]

Yeah i do and get meleed before it "snaps" the agro or something

Not sure how to explain it

Often happens with Spies in City

They dont attack for like 5s on spawn

[rotund oak]

why are u simming 1min patchwreck 5 targets?

[blazing warren]

But for some reason doing Tricks-hit on them makes them turn on you not the tank

[proven jasper]

idk ive never really had that issue unless a mob i didnt attack just came to auto me

[woeful meteor]

aside from 5 target patchwerk being a pretty useless metric. The trinket sims doesnt sim that good anymore, once you have more gear, since the flat mainstat proc looses value

[jade abyss]

is it worth to analyze m+ logs ?

[nimble vector]

probably easier to look through a vod than see what's happening in logs

[jade abyss]

hmm bcs im hitting +12 yet and im sure i make so many mistakes...

im not satified with my permonaces atm

[fleet pagoda]

just looking at a log probably won't improve that, more so muscle memory and practice

keep playing, you will get better

[nimble vector]

recording your keys is the best thing I can recommend, it's much easier to spot mistakes watching your gameplay back compared to just looking at a log (assuming you know what you should be doing most of the time) also helps to have an example of a situation where you aren't sure what to do if you have questions

[vague pivot]

for dungeon, or should i sim dungeon slice ?

[nimble vector]

dslice is better but still not perfect by any metric

[vague pivot]

what is the best metric for dungeons ?

[fleet pagoda]

[limber lion]

Dungeon Slice or custom sims

Dslice is fine enough

[vague pivot]

thanks

[limber lion]

np

[blazing warren]

Do you Garrote outside of Stealth?

[ionic trench]

how is it possible that during deathmark deadly poison sometimes only deals damage once, sometimes double? Shouldn't they all be duplicated?

[honest parcel]

Really stupid question but... the guides mention Ambush on opener but then switch to mutilate... Do we want to use ambush just the once or keep using ambush over mutilate as long as it's available after exiting stealth?

[fleet pagoda]

because it's duplicating the hits not the ticks. there's a little fine print on those events that you can distinguish them from each other

a bit counter intuitive considering how it duplicates bleeds but

[ionic trench]

ah I see you are right

then I don't understand, I've been trying to figure out how other players get their kingsbane to 50 like 4-5 seconds before me while using the same rotation, do you have any idea why that could happen? just lucky?

[fleet pagoda]

ambush when in stealth or with subterfuge rolling, and with blindside procs ofc

[fleet pagoda]

maybe PI, procs/rng, there's a million things that could contribute. wouldn't worry about it too much just make sure you have envenom rolling before you send the cd sequence

[honest parcel]

Right, so it's strictly better than Muti! Thanks 🙂

[royal lantern]

not really but its like

using mutilate over ambush during subterfuge is 0,1%

and LMAO 0,1%

who make an seperate keybind and thinks about that

[potent lance]

Assassin rogue gonna get fcked after MDI? Since its main pic :(((

[royal lantern]

like, you probably fuck yourself harder by "trying" to minmax it

so just slam that ambuh

[blazing warren]

Why seperate keybind?

[honest parcel]

Yea this is kind of why I was wondering about it. The guides weren't that clear so ill just bind it so if ambush can be cast, just do that 🙂 I was wondering if there was some big difference by only ambushing once but if not it makes things easier

[royal lantern]

cus any reasonable person made their stealth and normal skillbar identical and just put ambush in the same place mutilate is

[quaint scaffold]

Hello, new to rogue and trying to figure out if it’s worth using max combo spender on abilities other than envenom on darkest night proc. I see many rogues on YouTube videos that don’t use max combo spender. Any tips appreciated

[royal lantern]

5+

is the rule

outside of triggering DN

[quaint scaffold]

Okay and on ST, is it worth spending all vanish charges to maintain improved garrote ?

[blazing warren]

Could someone answer this please?

[royal lantern]

ofc you do lol

[quaint scaffold]

Or do people use it let’s say on kingsbane + thistle tea to make the most out of it

[royal lantern]

check the wowhead guide, it explains everything

[quaint scaffold]

I did but probably missed this one

[blazing warren]

Oh i thought it was only in Stealth too much HotS LOL

Thank you

[royal lantern]

vanish rn is used to cover the 2nd half of kingsbane with master assassin/re-apply stealth boosted garrotes during cds

[quaint scaffold]

That’s what I am doing , just didn’t know if it’s the right move . I shiv kingsbane and thistle tea + vanish for the last 5-6 seconds . Still unsure how kingsbane works . I dinged 80 yday but really enjoy the spec

[lean pasture]

I got a question, Which lethal poison do you apply first, Deadly or Amplifying? Im thinking about the second one having 30% less application chance

[cerulean maple]

how do u guys maximize dps cd sync on ansu? the last few runs most of the time the pops come at the same time as my 2nd kb. Do you shorten your opener or delay first cd window by 5-10 sec?

[visual marsh]

i think u use river shen

[fleet pagoda]

it doesn't matter which is applied first, the 30% application chance is a blanket not just for the second poison

[lean pasture]

I see, they could of worded this better honestly.

[sturdy path]

i feel rather useless on the 1st boss of arakara. doing the little spiders i feel i can only really dps them with vanish. do you have some tips or secret tech for this boss?

[fleet pagoda]

I never read it that way, but I understood how you could upon reading your question. it could be better.

[sturdy path]

stuck on +14

[lean pasture]

I just shadowstep, vanish, apply garrote and ruptures and crimson tempest on them then shadowstep back to main boss. Free energy 😄

[sturdy path]

without vanish, also rupture on all?

[lean pasture]

Nah without vanish, I just crimson tempest.

Only rupture and garrote really if you can do so from stealth so you spread faster

Maybe garrote and rupture 1 mob but no more than that

[sturdy path]

i rupture 1 for caustic

but still my dmg on spiders is low

[subtle tundra]

play sbs

small ruptures

[sturdy path]

i do play that

[glad tusk]

ez

[prime stirrup]

C's get degrees, congrats exo

[glad tusk]

thanks man

[coral ibex]

my favorite version of the idiom is

do you know what they call the person who graduates last in their class from harvard medical school?

doctor 👍🏻

[gloomy heart]

how...

[torn mist]

gg brother

[royal lantern]

#2 and #7

[cerulean maple]

any smart cookies?

[coral ibex]

your 2nd kb should be done by the time 2nd pops happen on heroic ansurek

if it isn't you're drifting it too much

it comes off cd as web blades resolve before 2nd pop

[cerulean maple]

drifting?

[coral ibex]

your kb usage should be basically exactly as it comes off cd

so if you use kb in your opener at 5s

every usage after should be at 1:05, 2:05, 3:05 etc

[ebon notch]

cold blood is off gcd right

[coral ibex]

if your 2nd use is at 1:20, you drifted it 15s

[normal mist]

y

[ebon notch]

why tf is my cold blood kb macro not working

[limber lion]

What part of it doesn't work

[ebon notch]

OH

ITS 2 ABILITIES

my weakaura is tracking it incorrectly

[limber lion]

Yes, Inevitability is fucked

[raven panther]

Why would you want KB to crit ?

you want to keep it for envenom no ?

[normal mist]

ahahah

with fatebound

[limber lion]

He's playing FB

[normal mist]

it only uses CB for envenom

its due to the opener

[cerulean maple]

ah maybei was just too scared of pops

[pseudo elm]

!macro

[normal mist]

@limber lion a question, since i don't know shit about FB:

• By macroing CB to KB, aren't we losing casts? since 45CB vs 60KB?

[ebon notch]

ye but you're shivving

so i assume its more worth to line up

[normal mist]

oh true

i guess

[limber lion]

The only gain we've found with Inevitability, other than sending it on cooldown permanently, was to use it together with the Shiv's which are used with Kingsbane

We tried everything

And always "use on cd doesn't matter whatever" was winning

You can obviously do some very ultra minmaxy stuff, but generally just using it together with KB and the 2 Shiv's is more than sufficient for 99% of players

[normal mist]

I'm part of those 99%

thanks for the explanation ♥

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt get put on CD until you use both charges

so its actually 50+cd

[normal mist]

Ohhh true!!!

This just shows how much i played FB this season

[ebon heath]

How much vers% do we need to push 12s and more, I feel like im taking tons of dmg from non avoidable dmg

[solar bramble]

what % roughly should kingsbane damage be

[silver wyvern]

if i have 2 supercharge and 7 combo points does finishing moves consider as 9 combo ponits or its just waste ?

[marble hemlock]

9

[misty bough]

is ironclaw whetstone bis for raid?

[spice spire]

Ye

[royal lantern]

first pull of the 2nd prog day

[vestal cliff]

GZ

[merry bison]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clap-clapping-applause-gif-10184275

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/voiceoverpete-dab-dabbing-epic-now-this-is-epic-gif-13340330