bit lower outide of cd, bit higher during cd, but ~800-1mill is a benchmark you will hit most of the time
#assassination
royal lantern
umbral sierra
speeding up ramp and extra energy but sbs coutns as a bleed so it adds an extra stack for leathal dose
wispy epoch
but is it just this?
Yes, and chaining envenom
lavish geyser
i would open with like ambus 2x garrote and then 1 rupture, go envenom and then pop
lavish geyser
Yes, and chaining envenom
ah ok, am I not doing that? 🙂
wispy epoch
Chaining envenoms isn’t important until after opener is done and you’re kinda just
You’ll chain envenoms without thinking
During opener
lavish geyser
ye
wispy epoch
But after, when you’re pressing one mutilate every 4 seconds
That’s when you’ll be able to maximize envenom
Also your logs are in Spanish
Dps loss
candid anvil
speeding up ramp and extra energy but sbs coutns as a bleed so it adds an extra ...
By extra energy you mean that it returns some combo points?
lavish geyser
I do, but I dont have a profile
idle roost
are assas gettign changes on 0.7?
strange python
Also your logs are in Spanish
There should be a “translate” button.
umbral sierra
this is true. i just get lazy and hardly find myself trying to spam out muts in m+ outside of st
umbral sierra
just new metas and ring gem bs
lavish geyser
@wispy epoch you also said that my garrotes were bad sometimes or just less optimsed?
wispy epoch
<@115959516037644289> you also said that my garrotes were bad sometimes or just ...
You pandemic an empowered garrote with a non empowered
umbral sierra
By extra energy you mean that it returns some combo points?
no im getting triped up bc im thinking of the 2ndary on venom wound
wispy epoch
Or you overwrite it
umbral sierra
You pandemic an empowered garrote with a non empowered
swap these
wispy epoch
I’m saying he had an improved garrote ticking
umbral sierra
u want to pandemic a non empowered garrote with an empowered or 2x empowered but if u apply an empowered u generally want to wait for it to fall off
umbral sierra
I’m saying he had an improved garrote ticking
no i get that
was just saying ideally u swap that order
for imp dps
wispy epoch
https://tenor.com/view/moula-gif-25219826
Chatgpt and Goldshire moon guard
lavish geyser
bruh
I have a char on it XD
we did get like 500 gold me and my friend, just for fun
wispy epoch
Gotta download the rp addon
slate crown
Chatgpt and Goldshire moon guard
If you're going to engage in goldshire play
at least don't taint it with chatgpt garble
umbral sierra
we did get like 500 gold me and my friend, just for fun
bro risked his account being banned for nsfw against tos whispers so he could get 500 gold
wispy epoch
Can get 10k per sloppy
lavish geyser
You pandemic an empowered garrote with a non empowered
what is pandemic? I dont see it in the tree
umbral sierra
at least don't taint it with chatgpt garble
its already full of furrys and scalies what is there to "taint"
umbral sierra
Can get 10k per sloppy
see this is fine
wispy epoch
!pandemic
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
lavish geyser
bro risked his account being banned for nsfw against tos whispers so he could ge...
no it wanst anything like that, not even close XD
thats wierd my g
umbral sierra
dont tell me i can get $20 off my homie and expect me to give u the same treat ment for .50 cents
lavish geyser
is it a talent?
lavish geyser
bro
slate crown
its already full of furrys and scalies what is there to "taint"
If I had to pick between a world filled with furries and scalies vs a world populated by chatgpt bots, I know which path I'd pick.
lavish geyser
💀
wispy epoch
If I had to pick between a world filled with furries and scalies vs a world popu...
Bath tub toaster world
lavish geyser
so how would I go about optimising for that
?
and if Im not doing anything terrible, why am I not pumping fat dmg like the other rogues XD
umbral sierra
garrote rupture and corruption get pandemic which lets u increase their duration so they never fall off where others like devour plague on spriest have their duration hard capped but extra casts make the dot hit harder per tick
wispy epoch
so how would I go about optimising for that
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
umbral sierra
If I had to pick between a world filled with furries and scalies vs a world popu...
at least the bots will have something intellegent to say
umbral sierra
u can also use kui nameplates
wispy epoch
Only thing I like about his plates
umbral sierra
but if u use plater whispyrs plates is the move
lavish geyser
They glow when dots are in the pandemic window
so when they are in the window, I can apply to get it to last longer?
umbral sierra
yes
lavish geyser
so that would kinda be when i vanish and reaaply improved?
lavish geyser
idk why im talking like im gonna play the game, with 30 gold Im gonna be running 10s for the rest of the expac XD
lavish geyser
But I use vanish for cooler shit
I dont run 2x vanish
wispy epoch
Neither do I
lavish geyser
then what do you use it for?
umbral sierra
garrote is a 18 second dot with max duration of 24 seconds. the first cast will be for 18 seconds. ideally u send the 2nd cast at 6 or less seconds of duration so that u get full extention of time without going over the 24 second cap
umbral sierra
I just usually am vanishing for 12 more seconds of interrupts
this tbh'
wispy epoch
Bc of iron wire
umbral sierra
I dont run 2x vanish
i run 3x vanish bc nelf
slate crown
Pandemic just means you don't clip debuff uptime like you did in the classic era. there are edge cases like extending imp garrote but don't worry about that. It just means that it's safe to refresh any time under that window with 0 downside, anytime during that window
there isn't an "optimal" time to refresh a dot under that window
it can be whenever
lavish geyser
i run 3x vanish bc nelf
I have 2x vanish cuz belf 😄
wispy epoch
Shadowmeld doesn’t always work
lavish geyser
Bc of iron wire
ddoes IW stack?
umbral sierra
smeld is my trash vanish that will sometimes work
lavish geyser
No but when you have run alot of fdungeons you kinda get a feel on when you can use it
wispy epoch
ddoes IW stack?
No but you can keep spamming it
umbral sierra
during ur 12 seconds of aoe gar and rup and imp gar
lavish geyser
and ic is 6?
wispy epoch
Garrote garrote, rupture rupture, garrote garrote rupture garrote garrote
umbral sierra
u can also just gar gar for 6 cp and get the extention on the imp gar to 24
limber lion
and ic is 6?
As in 12s because of Subterfuge
lavish geyser
lol
lavish geyser
As in 12s because of Subterfuge
ok so that is if he is talented into it ig
umbral sierra
when u have iron wire active u also have the 0 cd garrote so u can spam
limber lion
Yeh probably should
umbral sierra
if u are going master assa u need subterfuge
lavish geyser
im running this. feels pretty saucey
umbral sierra
well ur not on master assa so its fine
limber lion
You do you homie
lavish geyser
yeah I dont have MA
lavish geyser
I see
umbral sierra
ive just been rocking this
solid hemlock
im running this. feels pretty saucey
this is a prio target build, u wanna pick up TTK no?
brisk forge
Fatebound baby!
lavish geyser
you can swap
limber lion
Yeah, it's a bit weird running the full Supercharge thing and not taking TTK
lavish geyser
inbetween the bottom right talent and ttk
umbral sierra
i pvp too much to not run a subterfuge m+ build. my muscle memory is too shot to have to ambush first gcd
brisk forge
I cant stand DS
limber lion
Not a fan of supercharge in keys personally
lavish geyser
im 4 days into learning assa idk what im doing was told this was a viable build
by a mr rogue probaganda
solid hemlock
Not a fan of supercharge in keys personally
i think there are keys where this is literally the best build
limber lion
i think there are keys where this is literally the best build
I doubt it
Everything is super close anyways but yeah
umbral sierra
No sanguine blades
i did sims and this build was 100k dps more
lavish geyser
what makes this a prio build?=
umbral sierra
than my non subterfuge one
solid hemlock
I doubt it
Dawnbreaker?
umbral sierra
also I WILL DO SANGUINE BLADES WATCH ME DROP IRON WIRE FOR IT
limber lion
Dawnbreaker?
Yeah sure, but then you'd want to take TTK or whatever else
And not just Supercharge
wispy epoch
Sims < my subjective opinions
lavish geyser
also I WILL DO SANGUINE BLADES WATCH ME DROP IRON WIRE FOR IT
that is crazy. IW opppp
umbral sierra
fuck my healer bitch needs to heal i aint silencing or kicking shit
limber lion
Like you don't want to press Shiv in AoE in the first place
So Supercharge is kind of a dead talent there
solid hemlock
Yeah sure, but then you'd want to take TTK or whatever else
yeah u need TTK
limber lion
Yeah
solid hemlock
thats what im sayin
wispy epoch
Sims assume you’re not fucking up
umbral sierra
Like you don't want to press Shiv in AoE in the first place
u do
limber lion
Ok
umbral sierra
u press shiv for ur kb window and every 30 seconds
limber lion
Only for your KB windows
If you're in AoE and you don't have KB up
you don't press Shiv
lavish geyser
what changes do I need to make? I mean was told I could go ttk for more st dmg, and for more aoe I go Sudden demise
umbral sierra
if u shiv it makes ur envenom do 30% more which makes ur cs go bbbrrrt
limber lion
No
It does not work like that
Spatter is applied first
Then the Shiv
If you Envenom a target, then Shiv and Envenom agian
Both of the Envenoms do the same damage
It only increases the damage done to the main target
Not everything around it with Spatter
autumn gyro
with twist the knife do you apply it to two targets or still one?
limber lion
Damage amps (Shiv) is the very last thing in the calculation
solid hemlock
which is the whole point of a prio build
limber lion
with twist the knife do you apply it to two targets or still one?
It's a buff on you, not a debuff on the enemy
wispy epoch
Not everything around it with Spatter
Kingsbane?!?
lavish geyser
btw also im currently 624 ilvl and still missing some enchants and gems. once I hit like 630 and get my stuff enchanted and gemmed, will I see a big dps and just survivability differnce?
limber lion
Kingsbane?!?
Read above
autumn gyro
It's a buff on you, not a debuff on the enemy
ahg
limber lion
btw also im currently 624 ilvl and still missing some enchants and gems. once I ...
Probably not
wispy epoch
Read above
Kiiingsbane?!?
wispy epoch
Ah ty
lavish geyser
Probably not
ok, then why am I doing so piss dmg if my rotation is good and im not messing stuff up big time?
wispy epoch
Ah ty
umbral sierra
Both of the Envenoms do the same damage
both envenoms do same dam when 1 gets a 30% damage amp
limber lion
ok, then why am I doing so piss dmg if my rotation is good and im not messing st...
You can always improve
lavish geyser
You can always improve
100%
limber lion
both envenoms do same dam when 1 gets a 30% damage amp
Yes, the targets that get hit by Spatter take the same amount of damage from both Envenoms
slate crown
If scrolling is too difficult
hoary ginkgo
Shiv buff nature damage so it buff the after envenom then it also indirect buff the spatter damage ?
lavish geyser
was on my way to time 13 sv, but sadly we didnt make it :C
limber lion
Shiv buff nature damage so it buff the after envenom then it also indirect buff ...
No again
It does not work like that
hoary ginkgo
Oh
limber lion
Shiv is applied after Spatter
So the game goes "okay you envenom, so we deal 100 damage to mobs" then after that it goes "oh you have shiv, increase envenomo on the main target by 30%"
umbral sierra
but spatter states 40% of poison dam done is splashed to nearby enemies. if u do 30% more nature dam meaning 30% more poison dam then ur going to have a spatter that does 30% more damage
limber lion
So everything gets spattered for 100 damage
lavish geyser
but idk im also just learning assa, so rn sometimes i dont feel insanely confident, when pulls get big and I get low hp
limber lion
but main target takes 130
limber lion
but spatter states 40% of poison dam done is splashed to nearby enemies. if u do...
My christ please learn to read
The calculation does not work like that
Spatter happens FIRST
Shiv happens after
umbral sierra
kinda ass if u ask me
hoary ginkgo
Nice info
umbral sierra
either way it still will make u hit prio target harder
solid hemlock
or running SC build and you need prio dmg
limber lion
either way it still will make u hit prio target harder
Yes but using Shiv means that you get less cp and less damage overall and less finishers
You could pump out 2 Envenoms instead of 1 Shiv Envenom
lavish geyser
There is literally 0 reason to press Shiv in AoE
why not? isnt it better then doing a mutilate?
limber lion
More Envenoms is better than one bigger one
limber lion
why not? isnt it better then doing a mutilate?
Yes, but that is not AoE if you're pressing mutilate
2+ targets is FoK
slate crown
There is literally 0 reason to press Shiv in AoE
you may need to dispel an enrage effect
lavish geyser
Yes, but that is not AoE if you're pressing mutilate
ok yeah good point even I dont do that, BUt what about when you fot and get 1 cp away form max
use shiv
limber lion
6CP Finisher, FoK, 6CP Finisher
vs
6CP, Shiv, 7CP Finisher, FoK
So now you're 1 GCD slower
When you're using FoK, you could be using a finisher by then again
But because you use Shiv, you slow down the entire rotation by 1 gcd
lavish geyser
but why dont you wanna buff nature dmg by 30% on main target?
limber lion
btw plz dont take it like I know what I am talking about
Hah no worries
limber lion
but why dont you wanna buff nature dmg by 30% on main target?
Because more finishers is better than increasing the finishers by 30% for a while
candid anvil
So even KB spatter damage doesnt get buffed by shiv? From how many targets its better to not even shiv KB? 
limber lion
If you REALLY have to prio something, then it can be fine to slam down a shiv
But that is very, very rarely the case
lavish geyser
Because more finishers is better than increasing the finishers by 30% for a whil...
but wouldnt that allow you to just use less cp envenoms to not loose a gcd?
limber lion
It is generally better to use the mobs around to build combo points faster for faster and more finishers
lavish geyser
and then you would be even but with 30% more nature dam
limber lion
but wouldnt that allow you to just use less cp envenoms to not loose a gcd?
No, the normal rules still apply
slate crown
So even KB spatter damage doesnt get buffed by shiv? From how many targets its b...
correct kb spatter damage does not get buffed by shiv's damage increase if it's only on the kb target
limber lion
You always finish at 5+ combo points
Shiv or not
It's just not efficient to do at lower combo points
hollow compass
can i use asenscion without crafted weapon
lavish geyser
buut do you get what im trying to say? 🙂
limber lion
We've mathed it out many times, even situations like "1 second of Shiv left and 4 CP, do I use a finisher?"
And the answer is always the same
slate crown
So even KB spatter damage doesnt get buffed by shiv? From how many targets its b...
Arterial Precision spreads shiv around, and that increases spatter's damage, but most aren't taking AP rn
limber lion
You should not, you should just generate
limber lion
buut do you get what im trying to say? 🙂
Yes
umbral sierra
6CP Finisher, FoK, 6CP Finisher
vs
6CP, Shiv, 7CP Finisher, FoK
6/7 points but need to use darkest night proc
lavish geyser
didnt actually know that fot was used for 2 targets
is it just so you have chance for the crit builder?
lavish geyser
idk what that is lemme read rq
limber lion
is it just so you have chance for the crit builder?
No, it just sims better and is better
It generates more combo points
faster than Mutilate
lavish geyser
ok good to know!
limber lion
Thrown Precision + the Deathstalker talent
Is just a bunch of crit
And a lot of crit with FoK means a lot of CP
wanton needle
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
lavish geyser
I also have the mandatory assa wep mog, som im chilling on that front
hollow compass
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
limber lion
It's true
umbral sierra
And a lot of crit with FoK means a lot of CP
this and if u crit a mut its only 4 cp where a single fok without 1 crit can give 7 cp. also fok can land more poison applications as well. so deadly poison+amp poison+numb poison+crip poison proc damage dot damage and buff on ur overall dam bc lethal dose
limber lion
Sure
umbral sierra
Sure
yeah that caustic spatter shit is weird though wish they would fix the code
not used to having it talented though usually running around with internal bleeding instead
dim mural
In m+?
dim mural
Aha
umbral sierra
pvp first pve 2nd so im not familiar with the intricacies of rogue m+ hence why im here
dim mural
Was hoping you weren't gimping yourself like that
bronze flicker
alot of ppl seem to be skipping MA for ttk now how come ?
umbral sierra
alot of ppl seem to be skipping MA for ttk now how come ?
they like knife play
limber lion
alot of ppl seem to be skipping MA for ttk now how come ?
I take em both
Doesn't really matter
Depends what you want to do and focus on and whatever
All the builds fall within a few %
Play whatever you want honestly
dim mural
Watching speed, casualaddict etc play, they seem to have no problem keeping energy up while maintaining envenom buff etc. I don't get it. On single target.
normal mist
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
normal mist
^
umbral sierra
The real play is drop iron wire for ttk sanguine and ma
lavish geyser
The real play is drop iron wire for ttk sanguine and ma
Imagine having teammates who knows what a kick is
winged quail
Honestly some dungeons you can get away with no iron wire, Siege is great for dropping it
Depending on pulls Dawnbreaker is fine to drop too, probably others
umbral sierra
Imagine having teammates who knows what a kick is
You say “kick” I say healable damage
grim jay
Fuck it
but how can you fuck something that you cant kick
I'd say the forced movement is comparable
but the requirements are even more specific
grim jay
Honestly some dungeons you can get away with no iron wire, Siege is great for dr...
I personally dont think its worth dropping anywhere
trail locust
I take em both
Take iron wire or noob
trail locust
Whaat
trail locust
iron wire + ma + ttk
Take sudden demise
gusty mirage
I wish I'd get sudden demised
limber lion
🥶
winged quail
Some packs literally have one mob worth kicking, even if you chain a few of them it's easy to handle the kicks. Also Sudden Demise is so not worth
limber lion
I wish I'd get sudden demised
Better than to get mutilated
limber lion
Some packs literally have one mob worth kicking, even if you chain a few of them...
Easily worth it
Very good talent
Would recommend
winged quail
costs too much singletarget
winged quail
ttk or MA are basically the only shiftable points, along with iron wire
limber lion
Oh okay'
limber lion
Forced to take Sang, forced to take dashing, forced to take sbs and doomblade
unlucky
winged quail
i mean you can drop any of them but it's not worth to
winged quail
dropping doom bonespike is fine but I've had more success with them
sang i like in keys
trail locust
I take 2x shivs aswell
limber lion
I take 2x shivs aswell
monkas
winged quail
pretty much every high key drops SD at this point
winged quail
I do like that there's choice
trail locust
I wish zerocool was here to help you guys with talents
limber lion
first key I check out
is Speed's highest Ara Kara
and he's rocking sudden demise
damn
rotund oak
thats ttk though
trail locust
Hes padding probably
winged quail
no MA no Iron wire tho
rotund oak
limber lion
I do like that there's choice
It's a bit of an illusion of choice though
Because they all do the same thing basically
Which is to increase your overall damage
subtle tundra
And some are better in some scenarios and some in others
limber lion
TTK vs idk Sang is like the only thing where it's more of a ST vs AoE pick
subtle tundra
And overall it's whatever
winged quail
I mean MA is more burst which has value on keys like Mists and NW
limber lion
Yeh
winged quail
IW is the only dps loss talent but some dungeons it feels Op whereas some it's not neccessary at all
limber lion
IW is the only dps loss talent but some dungeons it feels Op whereas some it's n...
Yeh for sure. Personally don't run it in stuff like Ara Kara and Mists
winged quail
the 15% DR is also quite valuable in some dungeons where mobs spam random damage
limber lion
Not necessary for Siege either really, it is pretty comfy for the pulls before the first boss though
Yeh
rotund oak
GB being one of them
winged quail
i never take iron in siege
grim jay
IW is the only dps loss talent but some dungeons it feels Op whereas some it's n...
did your tank in a key ever die on a pull or had to use a big cd on a pull at the beginning?
winged quail
did your tank in a key ever die on a pull or had to use a big cd on a pull at th...
yeah in CoT multiple times
but I take it in CoT
grim jay
did mobs in a pull ever cast something, even if not interruptable, that did huge loads of damage?
trail locust
Never damage
winged quail
like I said the DR is valuable but most of the time it's not gonna be the difference maker
grim jay
I'd argue the difference is immeasurable
winged quail
pulls tend to last more than 5 seconds
grim jay
like the difference could even be there 2.5min later
and you wouldnt know
bcs something else wouldnt have to be used at that time
winged quail
if the uninterruptable cast goes off more than once like in Siege with the pulls or shouts, having a 15% dr on one isn't really that important
grim jay
which was needed later
winged quail
you were gonna die anyway
grim jay
yeah but its not only that
like literally all the damage a mob does
tank might not need to use big cds
and all that stuff
winged quail
for 5 seconds on pull, that's up to the tank
grim jay
yeah obviously its up to the tank, doesnt change the fact it can have valuable impact regularly that goes unnoticed
winged quail
a lot of WF keys don't run assa and manage to live the pull
trail locust
Dk can grip thoo
brave swift
People still using master assasin in keys? for 12+?
grim jay
a lot of WF keys don't run assa and manage to live the pull
a lot of people live unhealthy lives and still get old
does that mean its the better approach?
grim jay
100p if it makes you happy
its not about the feeling of it, as the feeling of not taking IW and taking IW is pretty much the same from a personal enjoyability perspective
winged quail
all i'm saying is I see more high keys with MA than Iron Wire
grim jay
only about the result
brave swift
all i'm saying is I see more high keys with MA than Iron Wire
i see no one with iron wire in 12 + but seems to be a mix of MA or supercharger/SD
grim jay
all i'm saying is I see more high keys with MA than Iron Wire
yeah but we had that shit for ages now, where high key people just do whatever they feel like
trail locust
Its true
grim jay
like without a trace in the past season
subtle tundra
i see no one with iron wire in 12 + but seems to be a mix of MA or supercharger/...
No one with iron wire in 12+?
winged quail
I feel like more high keys rogues should drop tricks for blackjack, rather than MA for Iron Wire
subtle tundra
What the fuck you on about
subtle tundra
Nah
winged quail
but keys like Grim I'm taking IW every time
subtle tundra
People think they do keys where they need 3% dmg to time otherwise they run the timer
grim jay
idk, the data gathering sites are kinda wonky anyways, so I dont go into much detail about that
brave swift
No one with iron wire in 12+?
murlock io shows top 50 only 16 running it. seems like key specific only
or if your group needs the interupts
grim jay
but keys like Grim I'm taking IW every time
ye that shit is a perfect example of why IW is good
had one not running it the other day
on my alt
definitely feel the diff
brave swift
Just bring a prot paladin 😛
winged quail
yeah I'm not saying IW is bad or not to take it, just sometimes it's not needed
tawny geyser
People tend to forget that IW is not just silence but damage reduction too and the tank appreciates that.
grim jay
People tend to forget that IW is not just silence but damage reduction too and t...
people dont care about tanks, thats actually a thing
trail locust
Tanks LUL
grim jay
One more case where I should have my credentials in my name
Iam Supercute?
tawny geyser
Well I'm not sure what level of keys we talking here, but I am on 15's and I do care.
brave swift
One more case where I should have my credentials in my name
i see them
limber lion
One more case where I should have my credentials in my name
You and me buddy
subtle tundra
Idk the problem is
This fucking channel never had so much shit info
Before
I hate it
limber lion
shit info?
subtle tundra
Random 3k Rio comes in and says random shit
And doesn't listen cause Mr strimmer is right
winged quail
ok if ur gonna start egoing that's just weird I was only having a discussion about when IW is and isn't worth it
brave swift
ya imagine having opinions in an open thread
winged quail
🙂
trail locust
Unlucky
drifting burrow
have you guys had people get mad at you for using crippling poison recently
limber lion
ok if ur gonna start egoing that's just weird I was only having a discussion abo...
You're fine, don't worry
limber lion
have you guys had people get mad at you for using crippling poison recently
Happens here and there yeah
drifting burrow
it's happened to me more than usual lately
limber lion
But then on the contrary you also hear "omg doesn't anyone have fucking slows?" when you don't have it spec'd
solar wyvern
have you guys had people get mad at you for using crippling poison recently
I just dont put it on unless theres a reason to ngl
winged quail
I'm guess that's clueless people that have never touched rogue lmao
trail locust
I dont like speak
fallen arch
Why would anyone get mad for using crippling poison
drifting burrow
usually tanks
limber lion
gathering mobs
drifting burrow
trying to do some weird pulls
winged quail
some tanks still need to kite in high keys sadly
limber lion
and whatever
subtle tundra
Chaining and casters coming into packs etc
winged quail
so crippling is kinda useful
fallen arch
So they also wouldn’t play with a frost mage?
limber lion
crippling is based
fallen arch
Bring back sanguine
Stfu
limber lion
bring back spiteful
fallen arch
Mute this person
solar wyvern
Literally dps loss
Wait holy shit I've been trolling this entire expansion hahahahhaha
subtle tundra
limber lion
Around 1.2% or something like that
solar wyvern
OH MY GOD
limber lion
A bit more and a bit less depending on the pull size
solar wyvern
Does it apply to things that are slow immune? Like lieutenant mobs? Bosses?
limber lion
Yes
solar wyvern
Hahahahaha
warm vortex
Just had a run where the heal died on first boss of CoT and """""""""""""""DCed"""""""""""""""" after dying
limber lion
Well, tooltips are always a bit funky
solar wyvern
Look at choice nodes and choice talents
XD
1.2% dps lost
on all of these
WHY
well actually not broodtwister
BUT WHY AM I LIKE TIS
solar wyvern
oh saved
subtle tundra
It's adds only
subtle tundra
Fr?
subtle tundra
Cool
solar wyvern
omg
solar wyvern
Yeha i guess it says effect on them, not effected by them
cool
Im just mega griefing every raid and key
glad tusk
guys, when we are doing AoE rotation and we get a caustic splatter, should we swap to another target to get another caustic splatter on that target? or is this not how it works? might be a dumb question but i dont know xD
solar wyvern
Caustic can only be on 1 target
limber lion
guys, when we are doing AoE rotation and we get a caustic splatter, should we sw...
Read the tooltip once more
:P
solar wyvern
thats who you cleave off of
glad tusk
so we just fan of knives and dump envenom in 1 prio target
limber lion
Yeye
glad tusk
alrighty
limber lion
Bleeds up, maintain em
glad tusk
ty
limber lion
Absolutely not
solar wyvern
no
solar wyvern
Caustic should be 1
solar wyvern
Just once every 10 seconds
limber lion
Just to maintain it
glad tusk
i didnt even know it was mutilate that applied it b4 just reading it tbh
glad tusk
ye fair
limber lion
Well now you know
glad tusk
damn okay, so i can do alot more dmg then this
glad tusk
is there a pre made WA for it?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
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limber lion
You can just yoink someone's
It's also very easy to just make one
Trigger:
Aura on enemy
Caustic Spatter
That's it
And can add a condition of "In combat" and "missing trigger 1" to then make it glow or desaturated
solar wyvern
for reference this is what caustic looks like
glad tusk
i found one online ima try it now ig
and damn lol
im gonna do alot more dmg indeed lmfao
night bronze
limber lion
Again
It only works on one target
So you apply it to one target and spatter from that target to everything around it
glad tusk
u just want caustic to proc as soon as its off the 10 sec cd
ig
gonna try it now in a key
limber lion
To proc?
limber lion
That's not how it works
limber lion
You reapply it
glad tusk
reapply ye
limber lion
It procs from all the damage that you do
All the time
24/7
Doesn't happen in chunks, just happens all the time
while the debuff is up
wanton imp
does anyone have a good melee range check wa to share?
limber lion
But yeh, you'll pump if you just track it
limber lion
does anyone have a good melee range check wa to share?
Most weakaura packs have a melee check on their garrote/rupture weakauras. If they turn red, you're out of melee
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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limber lion
It's not that useful though
distant plinth
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
rotund oak
for reference this is what caustic looks like
just so u know this doesnt look right,garrote should be higher than rupture and close to envenom,followed by rupture and CT in close proximity
limber lion
just so u know this doesnt look right,garrote should be higher than rupture and ...
That's just not true
rotund oak
stuff can vary but a normal details should be spatter=>envenom/garrote=>ct/rupture
limber lion
More like Spatter > Envenom/CT > everything else
rotund oak
when did that change
limber lion
It never has
rotund oak
casting doubt here
limber lion
It really just depends on the dungeon, the pulls and everything
Saying that it should be one way or the other is simply incorrect
As long as Spatter, Envenom and CT are high
You're fine
Nothing else matters
rotund oak
it depends ofc,many factors into play
rotund oak
everything matters
oak tangle
could have the details which doesn't combine rupture?
winged quail
It depends on build I think, if you gar-gar-rup-rup-build-CT for a faster opener I find garrote damage is lower than CT
if you spread more garrotes for IW value I find gar overtakes CT
rotund oak
could have the details which doesn't combine rupture?
as in the plague dmg from deathstalker tree?
winged quail
man i cant type today
oak tangle
im not sure, but garrote not higher than rupture for me
crimson gust
Is there anyone that can do a recraft for rune-branded kickers?
winged quail
rupture is usually lowest damage bleed in my experience, garrote and CT can swap
subtle tundra
Depends on key
rotund oak
yes from those normally rupture should be lowest
subtle tundra
Level
crimson gust
619
subtle tundra
If pulls are long enough where you have to reapply ruptures, garrote will be lower
limber lion
Ye
Also depends on the playstyle
Some people like to spam IG during the Vanish windows
Instead of using FoK
And that's fine too
limber lion
It is not
winged quail
with 2x subterfuge I sometimes prefer to IG instead of FoK after the 2nd rupture cast, pull size depending
limber lion
I lose my green name and suddenly it's like I don't know what I'm talking about
rotund oak
always press garrote on vanish,depends the targets(?)/press fok
limber lion
Crazy stuff
rotund oak
yes u lost credibility
errant mauve
That’s what you get for losing your green name
winged quail
skill issue
rotund oak
skill issue
limber lion
with 2x subterfuge I sometimes prefer to IG instead of FoK after the 2nd rupture...
It just really comes down to how long the packs survive and whatnot
limber lion
Except with Sudden Demise even then it's fine
rotund oak
but would love whispyr commenting
rotund oak
i dont do that
limber lion
Or go watch his youtube video
limber lion
Good
rotund oak
limber lion
I hope he does that some day
winged quail
I'm tempted to try the SD Supercharger M+ build in some higher keys
limber lion
I've been waiting for a long time now
winged quail
only build i've not experimented with
rotund oak
patience is virtue
limber lion
I'm tempted to try the SD Supercharger M+ build in some higher keys
The bleed build is pretty fun. With double Shiv, AP, SD, all bleed nodes
Nothing too serious just fun all around
solar wyvern
just so u know this doesnt look right,garrote should be higher than rupture and ...
14 mists where we chained a lot so less IG uptime (less restealths) i dont garrote more than main target if its not improved but i will spread rupture for scent
subtle tundra
It is fun but I can't play it cause it's horrid with aug
😔
You need frontloaded dmg with aug
rotund oak
14 mists where we chained a lot so less IG uptime (less restealths) i dont garro...
i tend to press twice gar and rup,mechanically unless i count less than 4
rotund oak
ah ye ofc
subtle tundra
More casters = more garrote
More prio dmg needed = less garrote
limber lion
It is fun but I can't play it cause it's horrid with aug
ouch
rotund oak
no dmg
limber lion
glad I don't have any aug player friends
solar wyvern
Yeah not a lot of time to restealth that key so less imp garro
I also 2 garrote 2 rupture CT in opener
kindred cobalt
subtle tundra
2 transmitters dropped and I got none l.
winged quail
I feel like Sub would be OP with the current affix if it was in 12+ keys
so much CDR
rotund oak
Was a banger
ye we were chatting yday for sub in general,its cool,dmg is there
limber lion
We used to have a rule about spreading misinformation.
rotund oak
so much CDR
sub has juice,that much i can tell
limber lion
Be careful out there.
winged quail
Sub is definitely in a good spot
solar wyvern
Yeah sin is just OP
winged quail
Could be more OP, could be Enhance
rotund oak
u ss-mined something thats years ago buddy
kindred cobalt
u ss-mined something thats years ago buddy
oh fuck
normal mist
Pqp
kindred cobalt
noticed now LOL
limber lion
w
normal mist
I won't nuke anyone
kindred cobalt
i saw that on casul chat at few hours ago
casual*
didnt even noticed the date, scrolled down to the rogue stuff, like always do
dont need to OMG WHAT A TROLL; NUKE THIS GUY OMG WELPPP
normal mist
Usually checking dates is the most important thing
rotund oak
dont need to OMG WHAT A TROLL; NUKE THIS GUY OMG WELPPP
its a troll fam
kindred cobalt
yea like the pins here
solar wyvern
Shitpost with extreme prejudice
normal mist
yea like the pins here
btw where you from?
kindred cobalt
PT
normal mist
caralho
kindred cobalt
pqp
limber lion
:-)
limber lion
That's the overseer's language
kindred cobalt
Porto. what is benfica? its something to eat?
strange python
but when its german
It’s because everyone is to afraid to complain =p
rotund oak
:C
the new transmog sword from annniversary vendor
blue one
👌
like the crest as well
strange python
i just did
Green name = scarier than German =p
normal mist
fair
limber lion
Pink is cooler than green anyway
rotund oak
humble socket
Am i correct in understand that you dont apply garrote on the opener until you vanish without shrouded suff?
limber lion
True, pink is pretty cringe
limber lion
Am i correct in understand that you dont apply garrote on the opener until you v...
Depends on the target count. In single target you maintain it always
normal mist
jesus im being attacked left and right
limber lion
In AoE it's better to get the energy regen from Rupture's instead
humble socket
Single target
limber lion
Maintain 100% of the time
humble socket
So when do you cast it in the opener
humble socket
That's not what wowhead says
real onyx
hi is it rune branded waisted we craft
limber lion
real onyx
or adrenal surge clasp
limber lion
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
humble socket
See? it says only Garrote if you have Shroud Suff
limber lion
See? it says only Garrote if you have Shroud Suff
No
It means that you would use another Mutilate again if you don't have Shrouded Suffocation
So instead you would do Ambush - Garrote - Mutilate
humble socket
Ugh
That chart is not good then
the line should go in between garrote and rupture
limber lion
Maybe
humble socket
not on the garrote icon
solar wyvern
Thats actually fair for people who are completely new
limber lion
Garrote is #2 in line in priority
Those are new rotation images, it was more clear previously I'll agree.
Not sure why it was changed to "Ramping ST" with new graphics
humble socket
I mean yeah i could have read the normal guide but im currently in raid so i used the image as a faster reference haha
and i was like this doesnt seem right
solar wyvern
Big dam
humble socket
Also is it worth vanishing to get mark back up if i mess up on like Queen or Court?
I would assume so
solar wyvern
Yeah
limber lion
Yeah, you want the mark up always as well
solar wyvern
But try not to drop it
limber lion
Shouldn't lose it, but if that happens then yeah
humble socket
Obvi the goal is not to lose it, and to swap it to the add with darknest night on queen
solar wyvern
When you know intermission is coming just hold DN
royal python
Will darkest night bugs be fixed before midnight
solar wyvern
Maybe next expansion
humble socket
Same with Court swap to the intermission boss before intermission
solar wyvern
When they rework some hero talents kekw
Yep mark, DN is a ton of damage (and energy)
limber lion
Will darkest night bugs be fixed before midnight
We've been waiting this entire expansion
So probably not.
limber lion
Gzgz
quasi stump
I've been playing all my classes without hekili
sin rogue is pretty fun
though honestly i dont like the feeling of running out of energy in ST
i wish envenom uptime had more feedback in ST cause then I think it would feel better to me
royal python
That would make the spec piss ez, which it almost already is
subtle tundra
though honestly i dont like the feeling of running out of energy in ST
energy management is like the only identity they havent fully killed
thankfully
(yet)
vernal turret
i kinda like those gaps, for example on outlaw i feel that rogue identity became completely broken, too much energy/CP generation and you smash buttons like enhanced shamy
solar wyvern
Season 4 dragonflight had essentially infinite energy
It was actual braindead gameplay
neon cedar
Guys, on the pack where the target doesnt live until the end of kingsbane, is there an option to send the cooldown sequence earlier than usual ?
eventually replace the first crimson by an envenom to send the cooldown sequence earlier ? and send the crimson after the coolies ?
Are there any other options ?
solar wyvern
Yes you send cd early
If you know the pack is gonna live 15 seconds just rip KB
And do everything else
neon cedar
but what's the optimized sequence?
solar wyvern
Whatever allows full KB
neon cedar
replace first crimson by envenom ?
plain ridge
if we are basically 619 all the way around, i have a 636 dagger, and the other embellishment - would it make sense to craft a second 636 dagger to upgrade my 619?
neon cedar
and crimson second spender ? (after the coolies)
solar wyvern
Thats fine, envenom first is more of a luxury for KB
Most of the damage is backloaded into shiv anyway
So its not a big deal to envenom late and ct first
But tbh a pack that is going to only live 15 seconds isnt even worth using KB on unless all packs are like that
solar wyvern
but what's the optimized sequence?
For example you could go garrote, kb, mut, rupture, envenom for DN, fok CT, fok rupture and then
Go into normal rotation
pliant remnant
if we are basically 619 all the way around, i have a 636 dagger, and the other e...
You wanna craft a 3rd dagger...to upgrade your 2nd one without using crests?
Either way, off-hand is a pretty low prio slot, so crafting for it probably not worth
plain ridge
no i have a 619 dagger from heroic
solar wyvern
If you're exclusively sin, dont plan on getting myth track gear, then craft off piece chest crit/mast and every other non tier piece as you go
But just get a 10 done each week, do 4/8 m is better crest usage
soft shale
yea eventually you will get a kukri
that shit is cursed to drop so much even if it only is useful to rogues
solar wyvern
I mean only 512 guilds are past kyveza haha
Dont think its being pugged anytime soon
spice surge
vast patio
Good to know.
flint marsh
yo whats the right lore for twist the knife usage in general, is it like pooling where you're spamming to maintain 2 and then pooling back up? or you just focus on it during kb or what?
in m+
limber lion
No
There is no gameplay to it
It's just a passive that allows you to spam Envenom more
That's it
flint marsh
ok so out of cds im used to using envenom to maintain the twist buff at the end of it to preserve energy then pooling back up when out... is that still the same because it means only ever 1 twist stack
assuming im not flooded with energy on aoe
limber lion
You don't really need to do any pooling whatsoever
You just want to have some energy for your cd windows and that's it
Otherwise you can just spam
cyan gyro
Hey guys, a quick question on embellishments. Currently I have Ascension+Armor Banding - I want to change to Dawnthread but i don't have enough sparks. If I remove Ascension from dagger and put Dawnthread on bracers while keeping armor banding on my waist - Would it still have the same effect as 2x dawnthread?
flint marsh
do you try to avoid proccing tea or do you just let that happen too then?
limber lion
You just let it happen
limber lion
Hey guys, a quick question on embellishments. Currently I have Ascension+Armor ...
No, it is not a Nerubian embellishment unfortunately.
But you honestly don't need to swap out your embellishments
It doesn't really matter
gusty mirage
the difference between them is small enough for you to not give a fuck
limber lion
The difference is very, very minimal
cyan gyro
Thanks - I just saw my guildie run that so wanted to give it a try
Since I noticed my crit is much lower compared to him
limber lion
You will not notice the difference
I can tell you that much
And stats do not matter whatsoever
Do not look at them
cyan gyro
D:
thorn fjord
soft shale
play dawnthread dont get hit ever-> win
cyan gyro
One thing I noticed though, his Envenom were hitting for 1.8m, mine was 1.2 :<
I figure that's down to the mastery diff
soft shale
likely agi more than mastery
cyan gyro
but he was at 40% crit while i was like 20, just didn't make sense
limber lion
It's due to gameplay or other gear
soft shale
assa likes ilvl in general
static glacier
but he was at 40% crit while i was like 20, just didn't make sense
were you fatebound?
vast patio
how big's the diff between ascension and weapon grip?
same deal?
I did a switch when I upgraded my weapon just to see.
cyan gyro
were you fatebound?
Nah
static glacier
why's ur env crit % so low
wut
1/4 envs are guaranteed crit
if not more since rup contributes to stacks
limber lion
Yep
thorn fjord
@cyan gyro i love your pfp btw lol
limber lion
You're likely playing Darkest Night incorrectly if that's the case
vast patio
if not more since rup contributes to stacks
I didn't know this >.>
limber lion
Not because of gear, stats, embellishment or anything
vast patio
actually yes I did i misread
gusty mirage
actually yes I did i misread
in your defense, blizzard tooltips are dogshit
reading properly is for nerds like cev anyway
including messages on discord
vast patio
Indeed
limber lion
Listen here, son
cyan gyro
You're likely playing Darkest Night incorrectly if that's the case
What I do is hit 7 cp then envenom just before env buff runs out
vast patio
My other character is a mage so I'm used to every step of every rotation being calculus
limber lion
What I do is hit 7 cp then envenom just before env buff runs out
The latter part does not matter
But having 20% crit just means that you don't have Deathstalker's Mark on the target
gusty mirage
My other character is a mage so I'm used to every step of every rotation being c...
wdym this is very clearly not overwhelming 
cyan gyro
Since I'm assuming the goal is to get back to deathstalker's mark asap?
thorn fjord
wdym this is very clearly not overwhelming <:KEKW:660326255622619146>
That is the ugliest thing ever omg
limber lion
If you have the Darkest Night buff, you immediately get to 7CP to Envenom
But you're clearly not doing that because your crit % would be much higher
cyan gyro
Oh wait... hmmm... lets pretend we never had this discussion
Maybe I was drunk when i was reading dmg meters last time
cyan gyro
Just uploaded logs and i'm sober, the numbers are... different
cyan gyro
my crit is fine... 37%... the average cast though is still a huge diff, his hits for 2.2m, mine 1.72m for env
balmy prism
Lmao that shit is so fake tho, arcane rotation is giga simple after the reworks... Remove the 30 trinket/racial pictures and it becomes a lot easier to read
royal lantern
Lmao that shit is so fake tho, arcane rotation is giga simple after the reworks....
"arcane rotation is so giga complicated" was always kinda a meme
cus like, it was just formated really bad
always
same with shadow priest lol
balmy prism
Yeah lol
unique plume
Ok question about energy in m+, I understand we get to a low point esp on ST. However, during CDs we blow everything as it comes right. Do we have a rule for when to pool and to how much energy should I pool back up to?
balmy prism
It's not more complicated than the assa opener, it's just pressing a few keys in the right order
royal lantern
repeating 20x "use X, if you dont have X i repeat your entire basic rotation again" makes stuff look bloated af