assassination

[warm vortex]

improved a lot

[wispy epoch]

Mutilate every 10 seconds should be part of your aoe rotation, just like FoK after every spender might be part of your ST rotation… if you are talented

[rotund oak]

one euro says blizz next move to extend spatter duration several seconds,called it at 8/11/2024 15:57

[umbral sierra]

Talented into what?

Why would u ever fok after every finisher in st

[warm vortex]

Anyway gonna try a COt 12

sub build with ttk

ill see how it goes :D

[wispy epoch]

It’s a popular m+ build

[rotund oak]

take a tailor with u or a mage to get the stun thingy,or nvm thats arakara

[wispy epoch]

Google it

[heavy elk]

i am aware...but if you can't understand how a newer player might make that mistake, you aren't living on planet earth

[burnt dome]

Is it possible to combine kick = focus target, if no focus target on mouseover?

[umbral sierra]

Popular m+ build… the only talent I see that makes fok worth in st is clear the witness and that doesn’t proc after “every” finisher

Unless u are need to send a 7/7 envenom for darkest night and are at 6/7 cp and don’t want to send all that energy to over cap cp with a mut

[hot jay]

Is that a significant gain over other good key builds? Because if the answer is no I'm never running that

Using fok in single target sounds like dogass gameplay but if the numbers back it heavily I would try it

[burnt dome]

If its based on Clear the Witness then it wouldnbt be after EVERY finisher anywys right?

[nimble vector]

You should still mut

[umbral sierra]

I legit only use it for example above where I want a singular cheap cp, or can’t be in melee to hit boss bc mechanic but am close enough jumping fok hits

[umbral sierra]

Exactly, I said this earlier as well.

[umbral sierra]

Interesting. Figured the save on energy would be worth

[clever sapphire]

I hate cot, gl

[nimble vector]

Fok without clear the witness goes negative damage

[umbral sierra]

Gotcha

[eager condor]

is cheat death worthless on m kyveza?

[quartz relic]

excuse my ignorance but what is fok?

[eager condor]

fan of knives

[umbral sierra]

It’s always worthless if ur good enough to not need it

Jk

[eager condor]

im not

so my question stands!

[quartz relic]

aaaaa xd

[umbral sierra]

A British person saying fuck after I told them no they can’t have a boh o wutuah

[umbral sierra]

Idk the answer to the question, mostly giving dunce level advice of “git gut”

[eager condor]

i mean its not bad advice

but yeah

guess ill test it, she probably executes you too fast

ran elusiveness lastnight still got shit pushed

[wispy epoch]

Cheat death keeps you alive and prevents her executing you below 20% during intermission

Wait mythic

Good luck

[umbral sierra]

I always run it c bc I’m bad

[eager condor]

lol. literally everything 1 shots, elusiveness lowers that damage overall, im assuming cheat will proc THEN she executes

but ill try it

[hot jay]

I'm usually like .25 of a global late when I try to press my health pot to save my life on any boss so I would probably run cheat until I was fully comfortable with the bosses damage profile

[arctic venture]

Guys use or not use lethality for m+ build?

[wispy epoch]

Looks like cheat death is still taken by majority

[normal mist]

Your choice

[wispy epoch]

Feint is a dps loss…

[eager condor]

ah shit - Hakari, i should have just looked at warcraftlogs shouldnt I.

thanks lol.

[warm vortex]

aAt 2nd boss

overall is 1.7mil so far

[wispy epoch]

Augment evoker in the group?

[normal mist]

If anyone ever ask "what should I use in m+"

Link them this

[wispy epoch]

No. Lethality is dog water unless Fatebound

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[wispy epoch]

I can’t make out the insane ramblings of this post

[normal mist]

[royal lantern]

what, no

[royal lantern]

you dont play CD

you take elusivness and feint when you get a line

and use evasion when the intermission is at 10seconds remaining

[wispy epoch]

Only lines I do are lines of cocaine

(For legal purposes this is a joke)

Feint is a dps loss btw

[bold drum]

And if ur dead so is cheat death

[wispy epoch]

That’s a healer issue

[rotund monolith]

can someone give me insights on how we actually have to play the ovinax trinket? Is it better to keep it at 30 stack agi or 30 stack mastery or 10/20 into either?

[wanton imp]

Do I ignore Darkest Night in AOE?

[grim jay]

Had enough yet?

[wanton imp]

The AOE priority doesn't mention DN buff

[normal mist]

You absolutely do not

You just keep it rolling

[grim jay]

Because it just happens mostly on aoe and you get into it after your setup

[brave vector]

Will kick your mouseover, if it doesn’t exist it looks for a focus, if that doesn’t exist it kicks your current target

#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm] Kick; [@focus, exists, harm] Kick; Kick

[burnt dome]

Thank you!

[wispy epoch]

Fuck I wanna play Outlaw again

But I need contract and the princess main hand

[real pike]

this is why I liked the flask last season, it gave incentive to take less damage

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sympathy-deepest-sorry-for-your-loss-prayers-rose-gif-15284751782267351188

[wispy epoch]

Subtlety is going heavy vers too, right? Wouldn’t mind either of those

I just hate being so squishy in keys unless I’m actively anticipating damage

[warm vortex]

And everyone left

fuck

[solar wyvern]

Tragic

[warm vortex]

Apparently was healers fault

He used like 3 Healing CDs at once

[oak tangle]

Had that in an Ara Kara just now

[solar wyvern]

Where is boss damage in this comp 😦

[warm vortex]

God knows X)

Idk tho i might go back to SD?

TTK doesn't feel too impactful withou DS

but to get DS i gotta cut SBS and DB

Might try this one next but idk

Dropping iron wire for a pug seems

iffy

[late surge]

elusive is just giga on kyveza

[grim jay]

Looks like you are close to full circle to a decent build

[eager condor]

it makes sense, i just gotta stop getting sniped!

[warm vortex]

Hmm?

[late surge]

by others charges=

[warm vortex]

wathca mena

[eager condor]

maybe swap once we get further along

[late surge]

nono

keep elusive

unless u have insane healers

also u have to feint either way

[eager condor]

we will be 5 healing

[late surge]

in intermission

[eager condor]

this is true

[late surge]

so

its guaranteed value

[eager condor]

I think it might just be people arent in the right spots

fair

errant ball/queens bane

[warm vortex]

Btw for sob

[spice surge]

You wouldnt feint intermissions without elusiveness

[late surge]

no?

it doesnt help the line?

[warm vortex]

is it a good idea even in pugs to swap iron wire out for sanguine or smth

[spice surge]

It does not work on the line no

[late surge]

oh kek

so without elu

were ded

mb mb

[spice surge]

Just dont take two

[late surge]

bro I almost die from 1

with my healers

eleem

do u still play long cloak

on kyveza or nah

[eager condor]

i was running the 20/20 one

not long cloak, but i could see the argument for it

[spice surge]

Probably wouldnt

[velvet dagger]

How do you properly use the Ovinax trinket? Is there a stack count we aim for?

[late surge]

oh ur extended

I c

[severe sparrow]

is the random dam that goes out not from lines in intermission not feintable? i havent got to mythic yet cuz im stuck in ovinax jail

[late surge]

I got so used to having cloak last 6 sec

so need to rewire brain

for last 4

[spice surge]

It is, but its not really worth feinting

[severe sparrow]

fair enough

[spice surge]

The line is the dangerous part

[coral ibex]

you should just be feinting every line you get

[spice surge]

If you have elusiveness ye

[late surge]

if u pla ycheat

[coral ibex]

cheat death in mythic kyveza lmao

[late surge]

u press evasion with the DS talent ig and hope ur healers are chads

[coral ibex]

trolling tbh

[spice surge]

I mean its completely fine

[late surge]

yeah its completely dependant on ur healers no?

like I know for a fact im dead without elusiveness

does normal feint work on the charge btw

[spice surge]

No, but you can just cloak it

[late surge]

do u still get debuff if u cloak it

or is this hidden dps tech

[spice surge]

You do not

[late surge]

HMM

[thorny lantern]

no you dont

[coral ibex]

wym completely fine it’s literally a dead talent in that fight

[violet berry]

How much vers yall rocking with

[late surge]

IM TRYING SMTH DIFF

next week

unless we extend

[coral ibex]

cheat does absolutely nothing for you

you just die anyway

[warm vortex]

I hate wiping super close to a key it just kills all my motivation

[spice surge]

Its not?

[grim jay]

@warm vortex the OG build

[coral ibex]

it is?

[grim jay]

Still best imo

[violet berry]

No more sudden demise?

[warm vortex]

Thats just what i run lol

[coral ibex]

what damage are you taking that takes you to under 10% hp that you don’t immediately die to

[late surge]

wait so what is actually feintable on kyveza

what counts as aoe

[warm vortex]

I was suggesting the other one i could try

[grim jay]

You had sb instead of MA

[thorny lantern]

so twisted knife better ?

[wispy epoch]

Dps loss

[warm vortex]

Yea but i took supercharge instead of MA

because subterfudge wasnt taken

[spice surge]

What

[warm vortex]

Or is ma still better

cause i remember CA using SB over MA

[grim jay]

Good question actually

[gentle jetty]

Hello Lads ^^, i have an issue with my damage being really low when it comes to single target and a bit decent in AOE, my eneregy keeps getting depleted fast despite having my garrote and rupture up, there are my talents if anyone can help out :")

[coral ibex]

if you survive anything with cheat you just get executed anyway bro idk how this is hard to get

[late surge]

energy is p low on ST in m+

[thorny lantern]

m+ ?

[spice surge]

You drop below 10% > get hit by the execute > proc cheat > get healed > live

[late surge]

need to pool more

[gentle jetty]

8+ delves

[late surge]

eleem my goat

[late surge]

whats feintable on kyveza

[coral ibex]

there is no damage that procs your cheat that is unavoidable

[late surge]

without elu

[coral ibex]

if you proc cheat you are eating mechs

and trolling

[wispy epoch]

This

[spice surge]

And it would save you a pull/cr

[thorny lantern]

thats pre 10.5 build, you should look at the guy with the pic before, go to something sim like that

[wispy epoch]

Cheat death saves you bc the instant kill won’t kill you and it has like a 5 second period where it’ll check again

Then you die

[coral ibex]

the only thing doing that is daggers and you explode the raid with balls if that happens anyway

you aren’t saving shit

[warm vortex]

Ok got into a

[coral ibex]

not having feint for lines is trolling

[warm vortex]

12 DB

hoping to god im not gonna go 4 12s attempted and 0 12s completeed

[wispy epoch]

Feint is baseline? lol

Also a dps loss

[warm vortex]

He means it up

when lines come i assume

[coral ibex]

feint doesn’t work on lines without elu bud

[late surge]

just evasion

[spice surge]

You do you

[wispy epoch]

Wasn’t your first kill on bloodbound horror like 2 weeks ago?

[late surge]

ELEEM

is anything feintable on kyveza without elu

[spice surge]

The charge and the lines arent

[real pike]

surely regicide is?

[spice surge]

And thats the relevant parts

[granite gyro]

hello question, with Sanguine blade on ST should i always keep my energy >50% while keeping bleeds and spatter always?

or should i spend energy to "chain extend" envenom until i ran out of energy, wait until near max (while maintning dots and such) and do it again?

or should i only spend energy during shiv/kingsbane

this is primarly on bosses in mplus

[late surge]

ik the dot explosion is

[coral ibex]

every interaction with you is a fucking iq loss

[wispy epoch]

Damage gain is minimal with sanguine blades on st

[late surge]

u play under 50% to avoid SB

for more envenoms

[real pike]

I'm 80% sure anecdotally that feint reduces damage on regicides on kyveza

[late surge]

with DS talent it does

so u have 20%

ig

[coral ibex]

evasion also doesn’t cover all of intermission

[late surge]

no

[real pike]

wait

I meant Feint

LOL

but also evasion does too

cause everyone should be running that talent now the knives bug got fixed :>

[spice surge]

Logs arent agreeing with your anecdotes

[arctic socket]

Cheat death be poppin in raid

[royal lantern]

bro you joined 1month ago, say shit like "feint is a dps lost" like some smothbrain and then shittalk people for their Progress

[real pike]

he is surely trolling

[royal lantern]

be happy that this palce is moderated or i would say some strong stuff

[warm vortex]

He has an anime pfp

[real pike]

with evasion or feint sorry

[warm vortex]

what do you expect

[spice surge]

Feint

[arctic socket]

Feint away the haters

[late surge]

yeah feint is fake spell on kyveza without elusive xd

[wispy epoch]

Literally been here for 5 years

[novel star]

it’s true wasted energy

[wispy epoch]

Chill zaddy

[real pike]

are the regicide lines not aoe?

[late surge]

no

doesnt count atleast

[warm vortex]

2024 was 5 years aog

[real pike]

my mind is BLOWN

[arctic socket]

Feint still helps on kyveza through the aoe pulse no?

[wispy epoch]

Check history

[warm vortex]

time flies holyy

[white lance]

is this not enabled for you ?

[late surge]

the pulse does like

no dam

I swear

[real pike]

ohh maybe I'm noticing that

[royal lantern]

the pulse is not doing anything tbh, the dmg is the lines

[late surge]

idek how much it does

per tick

[warm vortex]

Oh yea you said like 10 things per year
so
pretty much been here for a month

[arctic socket]

Like 100-200k a pulse

[warm vortex]

Anyway i got a key

hope this one doesn't deplete lol

[wispy epoch]

Don’t brick it lol

[warm vortex]

Gone back to SD

I wont't :D

[late surge]

wat key u doing

[novel star]

this post has been fact checked by real american patriots

TRUE

[real pike]

I don't run elusive on kyveza (although I think I will start as CD does nothing) and I swear with feint the lines take me to 60ish% and without it's like 10-20

but I cannot argue with logs

[wispy epoch]

Ty

[real pike]

I must just be a dumb dumb

[late surge]

I play with elusiveness

but now I wanna try cheat

and see how cooked I am

on lines and shit

[warm vortex]

12 DB
tried 12 CoT and healer was trash
and also tried 2 12 GBs and tank died on one and healer died on the other run

[real pike]

report back

[spice spire]

Why tho

[wispy epoch]

With cheat death so 🤷‍♂️

[late surge]

ez time

[spice spire]

At 15% ur dead

[arctic socket]

Elusive definitely gets more value over CD and once you play elusive during keys etc and get used to it

[coral ibex]

he has a hate boner for me. i’m pretty sure i’m ahead in prog anyway

[late surge]

nono

[arctic socket]

Definitely a better talent

[late surge]

ur alive

quake

I remmeber first pulls

cheat healed me for like 10M

[warm vortex]

HE IS THE SUBTERFUGE HATER
we found him

[real pike]

yeah I need to start playing elusive on keys cause I'm getting rinsed on 12s and above but on kyveza CD is literally useless

so deffo need to switch it up

[arctic socket]

Who ever said pressing feint is a dps lost is a mupprt and probably hardstuck 2800

[spice surge]

Its not useless

[real pike]

confused

[late surge]

its not useless

[spice surge]

[real pike]

I've never procced CD and not been executed

[late surge]

but I think elu is better if u struggle with living

[wispy epoch]

It’s a dps loss in mythic raid, good for keys though

[spice spire]

Need elusiveness irl

[late surge]

KEKW

you need some bitches quake

[warm vortex]

How is it a dps loss?

If it's off gcd?

[novel star]

energy

that’s it

[arctic socket]

In mythic raid Im pressing it to live so not a dps lost

[late surge]

uses energy

[warm vortex]

Fiars fairs

[novel star]

it’s kinda memes tho

[late surge]

like technically its a dps loss

but most of the times u press it to live

and u cant dps while ded

[wispy epoch]

I’m pressing healing pot, healthstone, evasion, and cloak before it…

[late surge]

so not a dps loss

[granite gyro]

So basically, on ST, even with SB. I want to chain envenom as long as possible, and only pool energy for cd and/or chain evenom ended

[arctic socket]

If you’re calling a 25 energy cast a dps lost you’re not pooling etc

[wispy epoch]

Find better healers

[late surge]

I need idd

but all g

we kill the bosses so who cares

[balmy prism]

only mindset that works

[arctic socket]

What are you pressing evasion for

[royal lantern]

those 10 energy man, they make the difference bettwen 1,3million and 600k dps

i sweat

[late surge]

I mean Im still 99.3 avg log in mythic while pressing feint

[balmy prism]

if you're dying and not using your defensives it's on you not the healers lol

[late surge]

so

[royal lantern]

the brainrot herr

[late surge]

kek

[royal lantern]

is insane

[novel star]

will not press my core defensive button because i can simply get healed and it saves half a mutilate

[slate lark]

yo hi, new to the server

[wispy epoch]

Bait and switch

[royal lantern]

half?

[late surge]

feint is 25 no?

[slate lark]

i just wanna ask if i need to face away the adds before using shadowmeld?

[royal lantern]

1/5th

[late surge]

or is it 10

[wispy epoch]

6 feints is like 3 and a half mutilates

[arctic socket]

Feint is 25 right?

[spice surge]

Yes

[late surge]

vial is 10

feint is 25

[arctic socket]

Multi is like

[wispy epoch]

Vial is a gcd

[novel star]

25/50 innit

[wispy epoch]

[late surge]

well on kyveza

ur out of melee anyways

so the gcd doesnt matter

🙂

[fallen arch]

Dead dps is no dps

Now stfu

[wispy epoch]

Don’t die

lol

[fallen arch]

And just press feint

[royal lantern]

meld is really wonky and most of the time doesnt really work +it doesnt work on bosses by desing

[coral ibex]

this guy is so far down the meter you can’t even see him and he’s calling feint a dps loss

[warm vortex]

Feint has saved me in keys a shit ton so
im pressing it

[slate lark]

yeah, doesnt work on bosses but i mostly use it for adds

[late surge]

I mean

[arctic socket]

From doing keys

[royal lantern]

the only thing you can do is really run out, press meld and pray that it lets you stealth tbh

[late surge]

u only press feint

[slate lark]

and yes, it doesnt work most of the time

[arctic socket]

I have got into the habit of pressing feint on everything

[late surge]

if it makes u live if u wouldnt otherwise

[fallen arch]

Same

[warm vortex]

Well with pug healers

[fallen arch]

Nothing wrong with that

[warm vortex]

i have no idea how good or bad they are gonna be

[quasi stump]

imma say smth controversial

[warm vortex]

so i use it a lot to stay safe

[slate lark]

but based on what i was trying this past few days, i just clear my target then use meld

[late surge]

ofc

[quasi stump]

im enjoying Survival hunter a lot

[nimble vector]

This is not how things work please just press feint on every mechanic and your group will live more

[late surge]

NAH

[warm vortex]

because me dying is much worse than losing a it of energy

[quasi stump]

i might just be a huntard

[novel star]

to be fair he has a point, in raid ilvl is so high now feint really isn’t the make or break for like any mechanics

[fallen arch]

Hunter bad

Surv not hunter tho

[novel star]

but it’s also not making or breaking your dps to spend 25 energy on it

so like

it’s a shit take

[late surge]

if im going to live with no damage inc in the next 15 sec

[granite gyro]

So, on ST, even with SB. I want to chain envenom as long as possible, and only pool energy for kingsbane or when my current chain envenom ended bcause i ran out energy

[novel star]

even if it has some merit

[late surge]

why would i feint

for fun

[balmy prism]

less shit to heal > more healer dps buttons > higher team dps

[royal lantern]

yes

[arctic socket]

Pressing feints makes you take less damage so your healers can focus on healing other people taking more damage, no point in not pressing it

[wispy epoch]

Every time you feint, you drop a % point in dps

[late surge]

ok thats fake

[novel star]

Ye

[arctic socket]

Youre re

[nimble vector]

The extra damage you take requires you to take more healing which could be needed on someone else and could lead to someone dying

[novel star]

that’s why i said it’s a shit take

[fallen arch]

Bro ur trolling

[halcyon grail]

Imagine mutilating 3.5 times in a row. #feelsbadman

[wispy epoch]

Parsing 99%? Now it’s 98%

[nimble vector]

I’m talking about prog fwiw, on farm sure just tell people to heal

[novel star]

the “merit” to it is exclusively if u have an ego parser mindset

[coral ibex]

!votemute Literally Hakari

[novel star]

but yeh

[late surge]

I mean ofc but it depends on situation

[balmy prism]

yeah on prog you're trolling if you're not using it lmao

[late surge]

Im not anti feint

[arctic socket]

I pressed feint 5 times 😭 my 200 dps will make me parse worse

[fallen arch]

Fucking parse bots

My god

[slate lark]

Q: if I have 2 stacks envenom and have 5 cp + energy free, do i sitll spam envenom? or save energy for the next envenom + kb timeline?

[nimble vector]

I would rather tell people to feint more than necessary than seeing conversations that I am witnessing right now

[halcyon grail]

If you aren't feinting you're PvE casual anyway. Everyone else has been proactively using feint for almost a decade now.

[late surge]

I think u can parse while pressing feint

[spice spire]

Homies are we okay this am

[granite gyro]

i guess i didn't play it wrong then. Just feel pretty awful on boss damage, but i check sim and i do similar dps with my sim

just need to be a bit smarter on energy pooling, because on aoe i have infintie energy lul

[late surge]

yes yes ofc

[fallen arch]

Pm

[balmy prism]

click envenom and don't think about it more than that

[quasi stump]

the thing is like, this isn't really like FF where you dont have a resource cost for your mit as a DPS, for rogue, you do use energy for feint, but the thing is, would you rather have your healer work harder just so you can do a little more damage?

[arctic socket]

No

[quasi stump]

at least thats how I see it

[late surge]

Im saying me personally bc i know when I have to press now, if u dont ofc press on everything

[spice spire]

Fake time zone - can’t be real sorry

[slate lark]

wym, how should i manage my envenom?

[balmy prism]

Just press it

[quasi stump]

plus now it's even better to use cause its off the GCD

[spice spire]

Here’s my sleep paralysis demon, enjoy.

[fallen arch]

Wrong, Trump timezone is wrong timezone

[coral ibex]

blaming bad dps on defensive usage is just screaming “i’m dogshit”

[royal lantern]

yeha, assa boss dmg in Dungeons is just kinda bad

you are the tourist on bosses and let the broken classes that do EVERYTHING great do that, you exist for aoe dmg

[arctic socket]

Not enough atm

[slate lark]

so i can just keep spamming it with 5+ cp?

[late surge]

u would want to pandemic the shorter one to minmax

unless ur overcapping energy

[fallen arch]

Yy

We envenom spam bots now too

[granite gyro]

coming from WW that do decent aoe but absolutely stomp boss damage it feels rather jarring, but i'll get used to it :)

[slate lark]

pandemic is refresh the dots that are abt to go expire right

[balmy prism]

yes

[novel star]

rank 15 rash parse with 8 feints atm it’d be a 100 if i didn’t waste all that energy man

[late surge]

pandemic exists on envenom too im pretty sure

[balmy prism]

padder

[wispy epoch]

Hopefully you know when killable dmg is going out by wipe 30

[late surge]

my r4 kyveza crying

bc i pressed feint

[halcyon grail]

8 feints is like 35 mutilates man!

[wispy epoch]

Could’ve been rank 3…

[fallen arch]

Just get pi ez

[late surge]

10 times!

[wispy epoch]

Puts you in a diff parse bracket

[slate lark]

idk if this is fair log for queen ansurek hc, should i be doing more than what i do rn?

[halcyon grail]

No envenoms. We mutilate now.

[novel star]

asking for pi next week and taking feint off my bars so i can farm rank

[fallen arch]

Yeye

[spice surge]

Y'all are also acting like healers are doing 0 overhealing and not like 40%. Yes its better to be safe than sorry and feint most of the time, but there definitely are situations where if you know youll live without feinting its completely fine to not use it

[late surge]

yeah ofc

which was my point

[wispy epoch]

You’d probably do worse overall rank bc you’d be competing with real parse bots who beg for PI

[balmy prism]

go away green guy we wanna reee

[fallen arch]

Exactly, but saying dont press it because its a dps loss is just plain stupidity

[spice surge]

I mean thats what it comes down to though

[fallen arch]

Yes exactly

[wispy epoch]

I don’t think anyone said don’t press it

I factually said, it’s a dps loss

[spice spire]

Good thing I’m central and he’s not president until January stay in the fake time zone bud

[halcyon grail]

Who up rn not pressing feint so they can have 3.5 mutilates?

[late surge]

thats technically 2 more finishers

fuck feint

removed

[warm vortex]

Did they increase the range of the explosion on DB from first boss

was a mile away and it hit me

[late surge]

only time i press feint is on aoe bc then I have infinite energy anyways

[wispy epoch]

If only feint wasn’t a mandatory talent choice in the tree 😔

[coral ibex]

that’s energy you could have eaten with sanguine, dps loss

[wispy epoch]

It’s so good in m+. I have a weak aura that chirps when I’m targeted, so on 12+ when I hear like multiple chirps I’m slamming feint

[late surge]

nono Im still above 50% its fine

[rare isle]

This, only use personals when you need it. Not just because damage is coming. In higher content you need to do this or you dont have personals when you need them

[spice surge]

Well stuff like evasion and cloak have no costs associated with them

[wispy epoch]

Bait and switch really lets you diversify cooldowns/personals

I use evasion for magic shit

[spice surge]

So as long as you dont need them for something specific its better to just use it

[wispy epoch]

Use it or lose it

[royal lantern]

bro you are literally deffending some guy that says "everytime you press feint you lose a %"

i cant

[novel star]

think that was a shitpost tbf

[late surge]

that was for sure a meme

[crimson vector]

When I vanish 2s into KB in double subterfuge m+ opener should I hit a fan of knives out of stealth?

[late surge]

do u need spatter up?

do u need garrote on targets?

do u need cp?

if u only need CP then yes

fok

[rare isle]

Theoretically true, though a very minimal dpsloss. In practice probably extremely unnoticeable.

[wispy epoch]

You good blud?

[sturdy niche]

Dying is also a dps loss

[wispy epoch]

Don’t die

I’d put that just above pressing feint.

[late surge]

vial is ultimate dps loss according to hakari

[wispy epoch]

Here’s the hierarchy, one second:

[late surge]

worse than death

bc it costs a gcd

!

[warm vortex]

Wellp

4 12s in a row

0 12s done this week

[late surge]

bro have u thought about timing them? 8)

[warm vortex]

had a tank die
2 times to first boss
2 times to ads outside church
2 times to ads outside the inn

[late surge]

pugs in 12s are smth else tho

had a shaman doing 1.3M overall with an aug in sob

[warm vortex]

I might just do 10s all week

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-notebook-gif-20708336

[warm vortex]

Because holy shit i can't put up with this

[late surge]

I got you tryan dw

mind blowing thoughts

[warm vortex]

aBut i doubt feint is a dps loss in pugs imo

with how bad healers can be

Kinda of like how iron wire is a dps loss

[late surge]

HAKARI

[warm vortex]

in organised groups but in pugs it's a dps gain

[late surge]

I KNOW U AINT PLAYING IRON WIRE

[warm vortex]

because you don't die

[late surge]

iron wire is goated

actual key saver in pugs

[wispy epoch]

I do iron wire

[leaden tapir]

Hey guys, I'm new to rogue but my parses are really bad can someone help me out with a log analysis please ? These are the logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ydVhDT3brJXfW8xa

[wispy epoch]

I dropped master assassin

Sanguine blades too good in keys

No double vanish though

Just subter x2

[late surge]

IW in 4 keys

MA in 4

[wispy epoch]

Okay I made the tier list for defensive

Scream for healers to heal you (costs no gcd if you’re on an open mic which you should be bc you’re top pumper)

Use evasion (kinda meh but good for the 20% magic dmg or tanks can’t hold aggro)

Cloak of shadows (your Trump card but you’re also kinda fucked after if something else happens)

Healthstone (free and doesn’t cost money, ideal if you’re bleeding out or about to receive overkill damage)

Health pot (costs us gold, but use if you’ll die without)

Feint (so it’s come to this huh)

Death (self explanatory)

Crimson Vial (highly situational)

[late surge]

HAHAHAHAA

ur funny bro

[humble socket]

Is there any situation where we hard cast Slice and Dice now or can i take it off my bars?

[wispy epoch]

Some people will look at this list and call me restarted

[warm vortex]

Btw Hakari do you have logs or anything

just curious

[late surge]

u can take off bars

[warm vortex]

of like mythic

[wispy epoch]

I do

[warm vortex]

Yea never cast slice

show :O

[versed gulch]

Live dangerously. Take it off your bars.

But seriously you'll never have to press it again.

[humble socket]

Yeah i assumed just looking for confirmation. I feel like anytime you would cast it, you would just cast envenom instead

[fresh kelp]

this guy clearly isn't casting crimson vial on cd for the iron stomach value

[hot jay]

Bless SnD removal and the other kyrian thing that got baked into shiv

[late surge]

First thing I saw, recheck the opener on wowhead, a few things wrong in yours

[crimson vector]

Ty sir

[quasi stump]

Fr?

[wispy epoch]

Iron stomach is good for health stones and health pot

[late surge]

not on wowhead

but in his rotation

lemme rephrase it

[warm vortex]

hakari can we see the logs?

[knotty kestrel]

this is a very newbie question but are there any builds that dont take double vanish?

[leaden tapir]

oh okay ty!

[wispy epoch]

Which ones

[hot jay]

Does iron stomach modify the visible tooltip of crimson vial? Or no

[late surge]

also dont ambush in stealth unless u need to reapply mark for some reason

mut is more CP = more dam

[hot jay]

To show the extra healing

[umbral cypress]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Your mythic logs

for kyveza

mainly

[wispy epoch]

I haven’t killed kyveza yet

[versed gulch]

Also, I've only been half assed following the convo about Feint. But as a Feint enthusiast are we factoring in Feint letting the healer catch up more quickly so they can get back to DPSing too?

[late surge]

they do less dam so doesnt matter

[humble socket]

Another question as im just now getting back into my rogue, Do we still play around a Snapshot Rupture at all?

[warm vortex]

No

[late surge]

no

just refresh during pandemic

[versed gulch]

RIP and good riddance to snapshotting.

[humble socket]

What about garrote?

[late surge]

same

refresh during pandemic

unless u play imp gar

then u refresh after imp gar runs out

[humble socket]

Yeah that's what i ask, should i still track if my garrote was "improved"

[late surge]

yes

[humble socket]

not the MA buff one

[outer marten]

dumb question, but trying to figure something out and google isn't helpful. Does atrophic stack with devo aura?

[fresh kelp]

it doesn't make a big difference but this isnt true

[late surge]

u should track ur imp gar

[fresh kelp]

theyre both 2cp

[late surge]

but mut can crit

[golden loom]

is the embelishment on a 636 crafted dagger worth it over running 2x 639 bloodkissed kukris? since offhand is so irrelevant I would assume so without simming?

[late surge]

2x

ambush can crit 1x

[wispy epoch]

Naw

Go for dawnthreads

At that point

[late surge]

for raid yes

[warm vortex]

I mean woulden't it be better to sim?

[late surge]

for m+ double dawn is better

but also

can sim

and embellishments are kinda minor

[warm vortex]

Yea simming is always the right option

True
But still a dps upgrade none the less

[spice surge]

I would not recommend you waste 90 crests on crafting a dagger if you have two 639 daggers

That seems horrendous

[late surge]

agreed

[golden loom]

nah I just got the 2nd dagger

have 639 + 636 atm

[small sequoia]

This is probably asked so many times already. With the new Subterfuge changes, is there a resource or discussion that is good to read for M+ rotations now?

[late surge]

then keep ur ascension one in offhand

I would say

[warm vortex]

Yea

That's exactly what im doing rn

[wispy epoch]

I’d put the embellish in off hand and wait till you have enough crests to make the dawnthread swap while not depriving your other gear up ilvl upgrades

So maybe in like 3-4 weeks

[warm vortex]

Mainhand 639 blood kissed and off hand crafted

[golden loom]

yeah the dawnthread swap would be bad for me cause the belt/wrists are 619 compared to mythtrack bracers I have atm

[late surge]

my avoidance kukri is sitting in bags

[warm vortex]

What if ascend sims higher for raid?

[late surge]

refuse to waste 15 crests for avoidance

[wispy epoch]

It should usually

[wispy epoch]

Just use feint

[golden loom]

90 crests for the crafted pieces are so steep

[spice surge]

Its just +15 compared to upgrading a regular myth track

[spice spire]

But also 3 less ilvl

[golden loom]

mentally it feels worse

[warm vortex]

I feel like if i ask whispyr if feint is a dps loos he will call me a fucking moron lmfao

[arctic socket]

I have spent 270 crest on crafted gear

[late surge]

o.O

[spice spire]

Dog are you okay

I mean that’s only 3 pieces but still

[golden loom]

my gilded crests are at 380/810 atm cause I dont run any M+ so I can still grind them out I guess

[fresh kelp]

the apl does press ambush in subterfuge over mutilate (but inconsistently, without blindside talented) fwiw

maybe related to how many combo points it has idk not an assa expert

random quicksim seems to press it right after a finisher sometimes, so maybe not related to being at 3/5 (dn) cp

[late surge]

I mightve been completely wrong and those mightve been blindside procs

and then im omegatrolling

[vivid mulch]

Whats the addon to remove the Original hotbar and to just get 1 single hotbar that doesn't go into a "stealth" hotbar?

[late surge]

Im trolling they were blindside procs

[late surge]

we dont run subt in ST

now I need it fact checked from these smart assa rogues if we ever ambush over mut in ST

😠

[hollow gazelle]

does spattering multiple targets cause envenom to spread multiple times?

[late surge]

no

just swaps the spatter around

[hollow gazelle]

oh ok i didnt know lol

[late surge]

in apl it only ambushes to apply Deathstalkers mark or with blindside procs

[fresh kelp]

the picture you replied to refutes that, that sim was run without blindside talented

and is a single target sim

with dsm up

[small sequoia]

silly question here. In M+ Situations with Subterfuge, I can usually get rupture and improved garrote on 5 targets within the 6 second indiscriminate carnage window.
What is the primary reason why subterfuge is good to extend the window by additonal 6 second?

[wispy epoch]

Iron wire imo

[wispy epoch]

Can keep things silenced for up to 11 seconds

[late surge]

this is from fuus sim

with actual ST talents

[late surge]

iron wire and MA

[small sequoia]

Ah makes sense. Ok, so after 6 second, do another round of garrote

[late surge]

no clue how apl works with m+ talents

but my initial statement was from a raid fight

[warm vortex]

Isnt iron wire a dps loss though ;)

[wispy epoch]

MA instead of SB? 😡

[small sequoia]

one thing that kind of screws up my buttons is the stance bar changes. I'm used to the stance bar going straight into non-stealth stance after i open with ambush.

[late surge]

no

some dungs

u remove IW for MA

[wispy epoch]

You can turn that off

[small sequoia]

wah

[warm vortex]

Can't you just make your stealth bar the same as your non stealth one?

[wispy epoch]

Or just be like me and replace mutilate with ambush

[late surge]

but yeah ambush usage with subt seems random

[warm vortex]

True

[late surge]

mine used 4

in a 5 min sim

[small sequoia]

how do you do that haha

[late surge]

then u cant mut from stealth

o.O

[small sequoia]

exactly

[late surge]

I got mut on 1 and ambush on shift 1 personally

[small sequoia]

that's honestly not a bad idea

[fresh kelp]

you also play improved ambush in st talents so it gives 3+1 if crit cp vs. 2+2 if crit cp and does more dmg

so ambush is always better

[small sequoia]

i used to PVP alot, so i have cheap shot on it

[wispy epoch]

I’m usually not starting mut in subterfuge

[late surge]

but never used

[late surge]

I mean no but during the 12 sec

on ST u for sure press mut once

[warm ravine]

so with KIR... when we hit KIR and it tell us to re roll we get like waht 6 buffs depending on rng?

we aren't re rolling the KIR buff we have right?

[wispy epoch]

Ambush, garrote garrote rupture rupture garrote garrote crimson tempest

[late surge]

#outlaw

[warm ravine]

ya i saw that when some1 said garrote lol

[late surge]

but yeah in ST talents u just imp gar as ur stealth global anyways and in m+ u dont have imp ambush

[late surge]

no worries homie

just didnt want u to be stuck here waiting for an answer xd

[wispy epoch]

I wanna get that addon that Method or w/e were using that can tell me when to press feint, cloak, and evasion

[late surge]

method raid tools?

it has reminders now

idk if it works tho

[wispy epoch]

That’s so crazy

But it makes sense and I love cognitive offloading

Biggest brain play for rogue this tier is asking your down phase tank to quick taunt boss so you can shadowstep over to the 180 degree add on 2nd set instantly btw.

Think about it

[warm vortex]

Fuck this

im gonna do 12s

*10s

instead of 12s

[wanton imp]

Can someone explain assassination energy pooling? I see that we have a APL variable for it but I'm not sure how to play around it, specially when I should start pooling.

[warm vortex]

Imma try super charger

[late surge]

I think MA is not it then chief

for m+

[wispy epoch]

This, just try not to overlap envenoms if you don’t have ttk

[late surge]

yeah if uhave sanguine blades

pandemic envenoms under 50% energy

if u dont

just extend envenoms without overcapping

[warm vortex]

SB?

[late surge]

the casual build

lemme find it

[warm vortex]

Meh

i kinda want IW

[tropic cedar]

This isn't exactly true though, is it? We still pool when KB (without DM) is coming up soon dont we?

[grim plover]

Noob question, but what is pandemic?

[warm vortex]

Problem is, im pugging

[late surge]

drop SD

[warm vortex]

so idk how good non iron wire is

[wispy epoch]

My build if I want to be good at nothing and mediocre at everything

[royal lantern]

only if you are at literally 0energy lol

[late surge]

drop SD for IW

[warm vortex]

Hence why im using it on a 10

[royal lantern]

like, no energy at all anymore

[wispy epoch]

Drop SD?!?

[late surge]

u need the energy to press KB and shiv yes

[warm vortex]

Aight will try that buckster

[late surge]

yes? xddddd

are u SD maxxing

like kush

no kingsbane

full bleed build

[warm vortex]

What else am i gonna drop

tempered blades

[late surge]

hell no

[wispy epoch]

SD and sanguine blades 🙏

[late surge]

drop SD for IW

[wispy epoch]

Drop MA before SD

[late surge]

ofc

alrdy said that

look at my build hakari xd

that I sent

[tropic cedar]

so you're telling me that you send KB with ~50-100 energy? Which you will have from envenom chaining if you dont pool

[late surge]

oh

[warm vortex]

Isnt it illegal to drive with your phone out technically
ik this is the biggest erm acc moment btw X)

[late surge]

anyways

it drops

MA for SB

[warm vortex]

`Ill try it for a chill tenm

[late surge]

I run full dps build in 10s

lemme pump my weeklies atleast

[wispy epoch]

This is funny bc it’s either 80iq or 120iq

[late surge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[worldly sail]

cant even do full dps in 10s because the prio target dies before cooldowns are finished

[late surge]

indeed

[royal lantern]

well, yeha? tea alone manages energy for KB

and tea+KB always aling

[wispy epoch]

Not selling carries huh 😏

[late surge]

nah man

I carry pugs for free

😄

jk

Im getting carried 😦

[worldly sail]

i had one weekly last week which was basically a carry 630+ havoc did 900k dps

[wispy epoch]

Bro they pay just so they can get into groups

It’s wild

[cobalt sphinx]

you can 4-man 10 keys easily

[late surge]

u can prob 3man the ez keys now

[tropic cedar]

idk i definitely get more out of my 2nd KB on Ansurek when I pool, but could be feelcraft

[wispy epoch]

But doing 900k as a 630 havoc is embarrassing

[royal lantern]

did a +10 with 2 guildmates that leveled ret paladins to max level 3days prior

both with no 4set, no decent trinket, like ilvl 610 vs my 632 rogue

i regulary "lost" in aoe dmg cus they bursted shit down before my setup was done

[late surge]

how so?

[worldly sail]

[late surge]

KB does same dam unless u drop ur envenom buff during it

[wispy epoch]

I carry a dps and just pug haha….. big cuts babyyyyy

[tropic cedar]

like if i dont pool a bit during the 2nd roots, i'm typically too low energy to max out my KB, even with tea

[late surge]

its poison procs no?

not envenoms casted

so unless u drop ur buff

it shouldnt matter

[royal lantern]

^

[late surge]

and thats pure rng

[royal lantern]

kb dmg is just "did you have 100% envenom uptime"

[late surge]

sometimes it doesnt get 50 stacks

outside of dm

[wispy epoch]

Has anyone calculated how many envenoms I need to reach full dmg on KB? Or is it just “have envenom up and be meleeing” now

[worldly sail]

200% envenom uptime

[late surge]

its legit have envenom up and melee

[tropic cedar]

but thats what im saying, I seem to get a max KB every time I pool for roots instead of not pooling. Could very well be rng but it seems consistent over ~90ish pulls

[royal lantern]

TTK be like

[wispy epoch]

“D-don’t forget to shiv before and after”

“Naw I’m good”

[late surge]

Im guessing its bc u drop one of the envenom buffs

[tropic cedar]

could be

[late surge]

when ur not pooling

[royal lantern]

^

[late surge]

but that would be like legit 0 energy

[dim estuary]

Crystal is simming higher than sacbrood even in ST, is it because I have already enough haste on my gear ?

[late surge]

but if pooling works better its better

havent started ansurek prog yet

so cant tell you how it is for me

[wispy epoch]

God I wish I didn’t sit out of WoW an expansion

[halcyon grail]

I just want to talk about Jujutsu Kaisen with @wispy epoch fuck all this rogue stuff

[tropic cedar]

its the only time in the fight where i notice it, at least in p1. I have to pop a soak in 2nd set though so I get a lot of energy back just moving out for that. If i wasn't popping it may be a bit different

[late surge]

kekW

[halcyon grail]

[wispy epoch]

I went from Hall of Fame to a 2k guild

Ahhhhhh

[late surge]

bro u can take my spot

[wispy epoch]

4 mins 11 seconds

[late surge]

I want out of prog

im so bored alrdy but promised to stay the tier

[wispy epoch]

I also work 48 hr shifts Wednesday thurs

So most guilds won’t have me

[late surge]

oh

find 2d weekend guild

[wispy epoch]

I also only want to raid 2 days a week-/ I did

They said I was over qualified

But that they didn’t have a spot

Bc they have two sub 30 rogues

I’m usually a personality hire tbh

💅

[halcyon grail]

Slay all day, #fever

[past panther]

we talking lobotomy kaisen?

Gojo will be back one day

ONE DAY

[halcyon grail]

Who wants to tell them?

[past panther]

X)

[royal lantern]

if you watch anime, the pearly gates wont open

[wispy epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/hakari-gif-14183293008867298383

[past panther]

ive read the manga

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[halcyon grail]

I will pee when this is animated finally.

No exaggeration.

[wispy epoch]

I’m unironically gonna be Fatebound Outlaw bc of him

[halcyon grail]

Like. Right on the couch.

[past panther]

and it won’t be the phonk song

[halcyon grail]

It fucking better slap.

[spice spire]

[past panther]

it’s probably gonna be like a SoL anime opening lol

[wispy epoch]

YOU MEAN LADY GAGA WONT LLAY DURING SUKUNA AND GOJO FIGHT?!?

[wanton imp]

why SimulationCraft report doesn't show Caustic Spatter uptime? 😕

[past panther]

WAAAAH OH WAWAAOOHHA

[wispy epoch]

Idk bc it’s a single target sim probably?

[trail flax]

Newer to rogue, and was wondering, if you dont get a restealth during a key due to chain pulling at some point, do you go for ruptures or just get one rupture for caustic ?

[halcyon grail]

Uhm, vanish

Basically.

[wispy epoch]

5 ruptures minimum

[wanton imp]

AOE 5T sim

[wispy epoch]

Scent of blood

Google it

[wispy epoch]

Weird

[late surge]

then

spatter is

99% uptime

prob

[past panther]

are you in a high key where things live long enough to matter? is it a delve or low key where shit dies fast?

[wispy epoch]

Scent of blood is unironically your most powerful dmg modifier in keys

[past panther]

Ideally you always want to maximize scent of blood but if ur rolling a low key sometimes it just ain’t feasible if you don’t get your stealth

[trail flax]

Like in a 13-14 i had a moment where i had to vanish before due to chain pulling than didnt have vanish or meld to get back in so wasnt sure in that situation if it was a dps loss to spread ruptures manually or if it was better to do that

[past panther]

If you take the time to really read your talents and buttons and put 2 and 2 together you’ll be ahead of 80% of the rest of the random rogues out there

Ya scent of blood is your #1 priority

Keeping 5 ruptures for it

[warm vortex]

Ok this build is fun af on SoB

[past panther]

Are ppl still running MA/subter/double vanish now in keys or is there another build? I know when ER got changed ppl have been tweaking talents constantly to find something comfy

[warm vortex]

At least

[trail flax]

Ok thanks, i guess you should than weave in a envenom to keey caustic up while spreading manual ruptures?

[warm vortex]

cause i could safely drop IW in a pug

[past panther]

Pretty much

It does not feel good to do

No one likes it

[warm vortex]

Shark rogue

[past panther]

But it’s what best

[halcyon grail]

I ironically reminds me of my old Diablo 3 builds for necro I affectionately named my "menstrualmancer."

[trail flax]

Yea usually its fine between vanish and meld but just wanted to know for that random situation, thanks for the help

[late surge]

u mean mut to keep spatter up right?

[indigo sinew]

sorry if this has been asked before but does rupturing secondary targets increase your boss dmg? and like when does it stop being a gain because i assume a rupture couldve been an envenom etc. without IC ofc

[late surge]

in what scenario?

bc more ruptures = more energy

[indigo sinew]

idk but i would assume spamming ruptures means youre pressing less envenoms

so i was wondering after how many ruptures it stops being good

[halcyon grail]

Rupture also grants AGI bonus no?

[late surge]

depends if u have scent

[coral ibex]

only with scent of blood

[late surge]

depends if the things u rupture need to die

[wispy epoch]

Bro if you’re doing 13-14s, you’re better than about 99% of people in here

[coral ibex]

without scent the only way rupture increases prio damage is by giving you more energy

[late surge]

yes

[balmy prism]

mfer doing 13s and 14s without knowing basic rogue stuff

what's going on

[coral ibex]

power of ilvl and fotm

[balmy prism]

fair, imma go get drunk and ruin some keys

[frigid pilot]

the benefit of being in a premade group

now if he doesnt know basic shit and it was a pug thats a diff story

[wispy epoch]

It’s normal for people who’re overqualified to think they’re not and under qualified people to think they’re over qualified

[halcyon grail]

BIGGEST THIS (especially with WoW Players.)

[wispy epoch]

He’s probably a better rogue than most of us and knows what to do, and is just getting further clarification here while yall yap and sit at 2700 io

[halcyon grail]

Sin channel honestly became reddit when it became halfway decent tbh.

[cunning basin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[halcyon grail]

Should talent into ritalin before posting 9/10

[oak tangle]

i yap cause i can

thank you very much

[late surge]

yapping is fun

hakari

[oak tangle]

and im not even 2700

[late surge]

how can I yap and be based

[oak tangle]

but i am rank 1 lfr sikran

soooo

[late surge]

do I have to be r1

[oak tangle]

like who's the real winner here

[late surge]

u

ofc

rank 1 lfr sikran is insane

[woven shore]

Lmfao

[oak tangle]

NBO

IVE BEEN DEPOSED

[late surge]

take it back!

make a guild lfr log group

[woven shore]

And i was rank 6 mythic rash

[oak tangle]

who is smeazz

[woven shore]

And almost slapped ovinax Yesterday

[late surge]

I cant even parse mythic rash

my guild doesnt spawn adds close enough

[oak tangle]

he cheated

he has 2 pi's

[brave stump]

damn feels like outlaw channel in here

[woven shore]

23% pull if we didnt miss kicks on last eggs we wouldve killed ovi after like 70 pulls

[late surge]

second set on third platform is also rough

ppl panic a ton there

[coral ibex]

nice you kill it next raid night

[warm vortex]

Just did a 12

[woven shore]

I hope

[warm vortex]

10

i mea

[late surge]

big stonks

nvm

I mea

[warm vortex]

that was so much more enjoyable than 12 tourture

holy fuck

[woven shore]

My leaders were losing it Yesterday 😂

[oak tangle]

i will ammend my statement, to i am rank 1 assassin sikran lfr with no externals

[wispy epoch]

Good example of this is rupturing a crystal that’s about to die on rock boss in Stonevault to get big energy back. It’s a dps gain and sets you up for burn phase

It’s also why you’re seeing rogues in MDI where they’re pulling trash with boss bc you’re funneling all that rupture energy into envenom on boss. If you solo pull a boss, we’re probably gonna do at best 1mil in mythic+ talents

[woven shore]

Because we are dying because people are often missing egg breaks

[warm vortex]

Might try anouther 12 now i cleared my pallete

[late surge]

sounds like ovinax prog

[warm vortex]

that supercharge build is p fun tho