assassination

[coral ibex]

the message should clearly state to cloak with the first second

[west crown]

You should be passively doubling up since you can’t pandemic unless you have 2 stacks

[mossy sundial]

alright well noted

[spice surge]

Idk feel like its pretty clear

[mossy sundial]

thank you gamers appreciate it

[spice surge]

But ig

[mossy sundial]

submitted a bug report ticket either way so hopefully it changes

[waxen oyster]

nah you just play safe

[drifting cloud]

just delete the first part for nitpickers

[waxen oyster]

and use evasion if you cant be topped to elusiveness it only

idk how you only get 1k vers

i dont try for it and have 4.2k

[coral ibex]

[waxen oyster]

oh that chest ehh

[mossy sundial]

Basically everything is crit mast

[waxen oyster]

which isnt ideal but yeah

i converted that chest into tier

[mossy sundial]

Sims the best whenever I sim other stuff

[spice spire]

I’m a Ceverion simp not Ceverion

[mossy sundial]

No mythic pieces to replace them with ilvl yet

[waxen oyster]

yeah figured

i need a better rash cloak

[west crown]

631?

[coral ibex]

629

[west crown]

Damn

I only have 1 myth track and I’m 628. Figured it would be higher

[waxen oyster]

and a queen ring

[mossy sundial]

Just to be clear the options are:
Cloak at 1 sec left on cast
Evasion + feint
Feint everytime for safety
Feint + external if only having Feint up

[tall atlas]

You feel the benefits of 2x crit embellishment vs the dagger?

[west crown]

Easily 1-2 ilvl with boots and trinket

[mossy sundial]

Do you have to evasion + Feint or is evasion good enough?

[waxen oyster]

feint with elusiveness talent

[spice surge]

You dont need to evasion+feint

[limpid hearth]

evasion immunes it

[mossy sundial]

Always

[spice surge]

You have evasion up

You will take no damage

[waxen oyster]

evasion will avoid the damage entirely

[spice surge]

No need to feint

[mossy sundial]

Gotcha

Cause it's an attack technically

Thanks blizzard

[waxen oyster]

it was just better gildeds to send trinket this week

got a mythic sikran one to make one slot free to 626

[tall atlas]

What we dodging

[mossy sundial]

Nw first boss frontal

[tall atlas]

Ah nice

[waxen oyster]

i mean, just better craft spend

[tall atlas]

I always forget about evasion

[waxen oyster]

when you got 2 636 weps for a a single enchanted gilded craft

[tall atlas]

Is there a list of shit I can evade

[mossy sundial]

for reference

my gear is trash

[tall atlas]

I can do 2x myth daggers I have a spare in my bags. At this point I want to move to the 2x crit but I need the crests

[waxen oyster]

did recraft bug get fixed

[west crown]

Gear is fine, farm gilded

[tall atlas]

Gear is good

[waxen oyster]

im assuming the bracers are myth

[tall atlas]

Mog is shit

[waxen oyster]

else sending those to 626 first kinda troll

[mossy sundial]

working on it

[mossy sundial]

those were a 4am misclick

[west crown]

Why are you sitting on so many? Lacking hero gear?

[limpid hearth]

i did the craft bug last week

not sure if it got fixed since

[waxen oyster]

oh those

[mossy sundial]

leave her alone

[waxen oyster]

i wasted 30 runeds week 2

due to that

[tall atlas]

Remember to buy gilded using the lower level ones at the guy next to the upgrade dude

[mossy sundial]

its all hero gear but not wasting them until vault

[tall atlas]

What’s the crafting big

Bug

[mossy sundial]

character has only existed for like 1.5 week

[waxen oyster]

game thinks you had 2 items 636

so it makes the second slot free

of crest cost

[west crown]

Fair. I usually just save 60 for that reason

But I see not wanting to waste

[tall atlas]

Is that where you change the stats on a ring

[limpid hearth]

or weapon

[waxen oyster]

not required

[tall atlas]

Fixed?

[mossy sundial]

yea

[waxen oyster]

no idea did it week 2

[tall atlas]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[mossy sundial]

its mainly cause all 626 hero is basically deleting 30 gilded

[limpid hearth]

worked as of last week, havent seen anything about it getting fixed

[mossy sundial]

and theres a realistic chance my guild lets me swap to this for raid and farm mythic loot every week

[west crown]

I’ve heard fixed and not fixed

[tall atlas]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tall atlas]

If fatebound assa sims higher why does no one play it

[west crown]

Worse for m+

[drowsy hatch]

yucky FLIPPA spec

[west crown]

Rng bad

[vagrant brook]

I play it on sikran and kyveza only

[tall atlas]

Got brood prog tomorrow might try

Never done it before

[vagrant brook]

do not play fatebound on brood

[tall atlas]

Vy

[drowsy hatch]

fatebound is only better pure st

literally 1 more target and ds mogs it

[tall atlas]

Ok ty

[spice spire]

Call me deathstalker the way I mog filthy gamblers

[west crown]

What is the difference in rotation for fatebound

I know the cold blood use but what about vanish

[vagrant brook]

no ambush on pull, macro cold black to kingsbane, and vanish before second envenom after kingsbane

that's it

[west crown]

Ez. Guess I’ll try on sikran next week

[valid pulsar]

random weird question i notice a lot of people (streamers) put the stealth button above their bars usually in the top left is there a benefit to this?

[spice spire]

Mfs fishing in their rotation

[spice spire]

Preference

[valid pulsar]

okay yeah seems like a nice spot ty

[drowsy hatch]

thats also default on blizz ui

[quasi stump]

crest farming

[mossy sundial]

eh, its kinda just happening while pushing io

not really targetting it

[gloomy hinge]

a week since hitting 80 grinding grim batol is pain

[spice spire]

Ten thousand years of pain await you

[gloomy hinge]

In what cases do we use CB?

[spice spire]

Fatebound just macro it to kb

[gloomy hinge]

the biggest pain is nobody is letting me in

[spice spire]

Damn REAL

[quasi stump]

that's season 2 with darkflame cleft

[gloomy hinge]

kb?

[quasi stump]

kold blood

[gloomy hinge]

but macro what to cb

[vagrant brook]

kb

[gloomy hinge]

im getting trolled

[vagrant brook]

macro cold blood to kingsbane

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean at this point in the season

under 620 is pretty low

relative to what signs up in lfg

[gloomy hinge]

oh right that thingymabob

[waxen oyster]

Rogue honestly also falls into the

"bad for pug comps" category of filling a key imo

You do nothing but damage really

[gloomy hinge]

kick, kidney, aoe blind, vanish into silence with garrote

idk

[waxen oyster]

Aint no way you listed kick

[gloomy heart]

back to pvp, cant get into any 7s

[waxen oyster]

as if every melee doesnt have it

[gloomy hinge]

nah, casters aint got kick

trust me

[waxen oyster]

You have no lust or cr, or way to do seasonal affixes

Well you can do this week's with dwarf.

[gloomy hinge]

Cloak to do personal

[marble prism]

!wa

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[waxen oyster]

nah dwarf

nelf is kinda troll

[gloomy hinge]

Night elf bis

shadowmelt mechanics continue dps

[waxen oyster]

Rogue is just one of those dps you can only slot one into

for a pug comp

same with warriors

[gloomy hinge]

this is true

double rogue big troll

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you can run double shaman

np

or like ret tbh

[gloomy hinge]

i mean ret just never has no dmg

[waxen oyster]

I mean rogue's issue isnt damage

[gloomy hinge]

consistant as hell damage and shaman is just illegal

Rogues issue, Squish :c

[waxen oyster]

Shaman also has lust and can solo the dispel affix.

[gloomy hinge]

yeah but poison cleanse totem is on a 2 min cd now i believe

[waxen oyster]

rogue isnt squishy unless its constant ticking damage

nah its 1min

[gloomy hinge]

aaah

Also cant you self heal mechanic away

by using a heal pot?

[waxen oyster]

5min cd

[gloomy hinge]

yes

[waxen oyster]

By that logic you just raised the value of dwarf

[gloomy hinge]

but regardless you shouldnt really ever have to solo do

[waxen oyster]

infinitely more

[gloomy hinge]

the affix

[waxen oyster]

[gloomy hinge]

and at 12 it doesnt exist

whcih isnt too far off i guess

[waxen oyster]

Well the issue is just for lower ones

[gloomy hinge]

Honestly even damage is an issue with rogue lower keys

[waxen oyster]

And i mean i did my own for weeklies a few times.

[gloomy hinge]

things like frost dk shaman etc

[waxen oyster]

It's not hard to get dps over 630 signups

[gloomy hinge]

Just destroys shit before u get to even do your opener low key

[waxen oyster]

frankly i just didnt pay attention

to anyone below 625

as dps

bigger cringe is how often you see pug leads camp out

for a resto sham

tbh

[gloomy hinge]

Yeah, i mean if u have a prot pala or ret usually its fine

Cleanse toxins huge

[vagrant brook]

its 2min

[waxen oyster]

ww is probs nice just uhh

likely 10 ret players

per 1 ww

[gloomy hinge]

ww? bro brought up windwalker

is that even a spec?

ALSO, how does fatebound compare to deathstalker

[vagrant brook]

better in pure st fights

less survivability

[waxen oyster]

ww isnt a bad spec

[waxen oyster]

singular focus alone is enough of a reason to never play fatebound

[austere bramble]

is bloodmallet updated for new racial changes

[digital venture]

is this a good breakdown of damage for a hybrid build with a subterfuge variance?

[late ravine]

What dungeon

With or without MA

[gritty laurel]

it looks reasonable, CT might be a little low depending on what key it was

[digital venture]

GB10

[static glacier]

ct could be slightly higher but it's fine tbh

[digital venture]

GB10 with MA

[digital venture]

ty, i'll look into CT right after SoB is stacked

[late ravine]

Feel like ur caustic should be more

I played sub MA in Mist 14

[waxen oyster]

I mean caustic damage should be higher in mists

[late ravine]

yy

[vast patio]

real quick, do we do 5t5m or slice for m+ sims

[digital venture]

tank was being very careful as he had low ilvl and we also had a low warrior, so no crazy pulls

[static glacier]

with MA you actually have a lot of freedom

[vagrant brook]

dslice

[vast patio]

thanks

[static glacier]

you can rup > ct > rup for finishers vs rup > rup > ct

depending on ttk for the lowest hp mobs

[jolly heath]

10 is pretty low, you can’t even send cd same time with other people

[late ravine]

Also true

[digital venture]

yeah, I'm trying to figure it out, I started to play MA recently

[shy pecan]

Dslice or MDT Sims. 5T5M is never realistic for dungeons

[digital venture]

ngl I was trying to use cds alone so that I could pad more xD

[keen spruce]

these unethical padders in this pug

making us go to enrage

[waxen oyster]

shmeepy already 629?

getting back fast

[digital venture]

how are you guys 630, jesus xD

[keen spruce]

i'm getting carved crests from +10

[oak eagle]

aoe blind does one of the weekly affixes. just need to hit an actual mob and not the orb

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

im 633

[keen spruce]

i mean if you cap crests and dump them all into crafting

since i didn't have vaults

[waxen oyster]

didnt you just come back

[keen spruce]

I'm only a little behind

I resubbed on the 20th

[waxen oyster]

Yeah checks out

[keen spruce]

but i'm only losing crests from the inefficiency of crafting

and i bbq'd 15 buying the wrong thing

but other than that all of the crests are spent

[waxen oyster]

just bug abuse

i wasted 30 once

[keen spruce]

go on

[late ravine]

is the ring thing still a thing

[keen spruce]

yeah

also works on weps

[waxen oyster]

someone said it was last week

[keen spruce]

my friend did his rings and weps yesterday

[waxen oyster]

wont have a second ring tbh

or rather queen ring just better

whenever i get that

[keen spruce]

tru

[jovial hornet]

!wa

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[keen spruce]

i got an avoidance daggie from the pug

and a leech belt but i'm embelished there

[waxen oyster]

saves the 619 to 626 step

are the pugs actually good

[keen spruce]

this one was

[late ravine]

I want the DF rings/ items back

[keen spruce]

but you might just get bricked on bloodbound

and your lockout is toast

[waxen oyster]

Oh

LMAO

[late ravine]

Queen ring doing 15 mil in a full run

[leaden talon]

uh do yall track ur poisons, bone spikes etc on plater for mobs/enemies and is there any reason NOT to just track garrrote, rupture, env, shiv, and coolies?

[keen spruce]

there was just no keys i wanted up and i figured i wasn't gonna raid otherwise

[leaden talon]

feels like so much up at once

[keen spruce]

so might as well send it and try toget some very rares

and morevaults

[late ravine]

I track garrote and rupture and capstone

[keen spruce]

gar rup DMS

DSM

[late ravine]

You usually know which one you shiv and env

[keen spruce]

kinda all you need to track

[leaden talon]

okay cool, thanks!

[keen spruce]

poisons definitely not

[leaden talon]

im feeling silly for still having them on ngl

it like just clicked on me to even ask

[keen spruce]

and normally your WA ui or w/e will track env and shiv and CDs

!wa

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[late ravine]

Got one of them cool damage number addons, went into NW first pull pc melted, cause ofc it highlighted poison dmg and so on

[keen spruce]

these platers are pretty nice

[regal linden]

!wa

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[vagrant brook]

I got garrote, rupture, and ct with pandemics, kingsbane, deathmark on plater

• nameplate colored dark green when caustic up, colored bright green when mark is up

[leaden talon]

imma borrow that thanks

[waxen oyster]

yeah more surprised pugs can clear first 4

[keen spruce]

no one was as surprised as me

first group i signed up to

last one invited

in and out in like under 2 hours

couple of wipes on bloodbound and like 4 wipes on rashanan

[waxen oyster]

yeah considering i see pugs wipe all day

on hc ansurek

[limber coral]

can cloak be used to get rid of the web on rasha'nan?

[tall jay]

how can you tell what an encounter id is? for example Ulgrax: 2902?

is that mythic?

[quaint niche]

So maybe a stupid question, but for raid single target, do you spam until you run out of thistle tea? or do you spam envenom until out of kingsbane window then wait to hit your envenoms at the last second

[wispy epoch]

Web still goes out, auto breaks it too, but you still get linked on mythic

[west crown]

Spam during KB, maintain outside of CDs

[limber coral]

so could I just hit cloak and stack where my group wants to stack since I am linked still?

[wispy epoch]

Yes

[limber coral]

noted thanks

[wispy epoch]

But you’d kill your group if you stack on them with your initial web

[limber coral]

no yeah I know, they have web stack together

[wispy epoch]

So go nearby, pop cloak of shadow then shadowstep to one of em

Honestly though I prefer cloak if I get the little adds

Feint and shadowstep is all you need for webs

[waxen oyster]

How does the link break again?

[quartz spear]

Does "Raid Council" mean Silken Court?

(from the guide)

[quaint niche]

With you the twist the knife talent im just trying to maintain 1 stack at least and have 2 up during KB

[waxen oyster]

no its just ovinaxx

[quartz spear]

Oh ok

[echo heath]

!plater

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[wispy epoch]

Lasts 4 seconds

[waxen oyster]

doesnt it break by being close to another linked person

[spice surge]

No, rashanan links are time based

[waxen oyster]

oh so you just had to wait it out

close to each other so you dont hit nonlinked people

[primal quest]

i just recently went nelf for visuals but ive seen them use meld mid combat to reenter stealth. how tho??

[spice surge]

It doesnt work on bosses, and it often doesnt work on trash, but you have to move out a bit and then press meld > stealth asap

What keeps you in combat is often janky and not very obvious, so sometimes theres something that keeps you in combat anyway and prevents the stealth

[peak saffron]

#showtooltip shadowmeld
/stopattack
/cast [nostealth] shadowmeld
/cast [nocombat] !stealth

[primal quest]

does the macro imrove the odds when the comvat is not janky and im out of that ideal range for restealth?

[drifting cloud]

yes but not by alot

[shy marten]

Are there sims for how much damage assa gains from funnel?

[plain wind]

does iron wire give damage reduction to everything you put it on or only casters?

[drowsy hatch]

as long as the little squigly lines are on it should work

even if they dont actually cast

[plain wind]

that's what i thought too, some shaman is telling me otherwise

[spice surge]

It gives the damage reduction to all mobs that can be silenced

So small melee mobs yes

Big commander type mobs like lavabenders in grim batol no

[lofty wind]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xmwfZgkqYaGnTbyK#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=12

I suck, why?

[stark scroll]

On rash rn any tips to do 1 bill damage

[past forum]

get good

[stark scroll]

leave me alone

filthy ret player

[winged widget]

you are playing internal bleeding instead of padding with Caustic Spatter on adds.
you're fine

[lofty wind]

Why am I only parsing 35 for my ilvl tho. also that log is from ky'vesa so there are no adds

Can't tell if its rotational or stat issue

[winged widget]

ilvl parsing is kinda bad. and when I say "bad", I mean, dont sweat over it at all.

[gloomy hinge]

is parses for ilvl most important or overall?

[winged widget]

also, heroic runs tend to get kinda nutty with parses because people do wacky stuff with them.
Kill timers might be an issue, padding, etc

[solar cipher]

ilvl parse is irrelevant, always

[gloomy hinge]

dayuuum really?

sad

[lofty wind]

Ah okay. I was just trying to figure out if its possible for me to get from 80 parses to 90s

[gloomy hinge]

i was excited about my 616 99 and 97 parses today

[winged widget]

it definitely is if your guild is willing to let you pad on the adds.
if they are, swap to caustic spatter and hope that they drop adds right on top of boss, so spatter actually hits them. and also your teammates don't blow them up immediately

[solar cipher]

theres no adds on princess

@winged widget

[winged widget]

thought he was talking about rashanan still

[solar cipher]

oh mb

the log that was linked wasnt

thats why

[winged widget]

no wait

[gloomy hinge]

Adds on rash dont count

[winged widget]

it was always kyveza

i'm dum

[gloomy hinge]

for log damage

[winged widget]

it started to count after patch

[gloomy hinge]

really?

well thats fkin dumb

[winged widget]

why? ask wowlogs people

[lofty wind]

I have a mythic rash kill where I do that as well

[gloomy hinge]

protest

[agile locust]

Is this the same principle in m+?

[gloomy hinge]

what kind of overall should i be doing in a 10 with 615-620 ilvl?

no skardyn

[winged widget]

hard to say]

[solar cipher]

if tank pulls big u do bigger overall

if tank pulls small u do lower overall

[winged widget]

depends on key, depends on the rest of your group

if you have other classes that simply blow up adds instantly, your overall is gonna be much lower. or dungeons with smaller packs, etc.

[solar cipher]

if u have an ele shaman annihilating big packs every 3min u do lower overall etc, very subjective cant rly say lol

[keen spruce]

what they said but probbaly more than 1m

i mean definitely more than 1m

[young sluice]

in aoe opener wouldn't you want to hit fok before CT for the buff?

[keen spruce]

you do

wait no you don't

getting the CT out faster just better ig

[young sluice]

does the buff apply to the existing ones if you hit after?

[buoyant mortar]

I am by no means perfect, but you missed out on 1 kingsbane (Due to fight duration I think), secondly you held on to darkest night proc for like 30 seconds almost letting it expire, and you didn't restealth for Garrote during your second deathmark and finally, your third kingsbane was outside of your deathmark. I was wrong about that last one.

[young sluice]

makes sense hmm

[winged widget]

yeah. holding DN for that long is a big no no. gotta consume it asap.

[lofty wind]

Yeah kingsbane came off cd right as she died

Thank you for the analysis 🙂

[winged widget]

his 3rd Kingsbane was inside his 2nd Deathmark by the looks of it. seems fine

Deathmark cast at 2:09, with the KB at 2:10.

[solar cipher]

theres also minor issues like u should shiv > kb when playing with 2 shivs, u should vanish into ambush and got garrote @lofty wind

[winged widget]

just gotta fix the order of the burst

[solar cipher]

ngl i have no idea why ur envenoms are so small

[winged widget]

it's DM>Shiv>KB

[solar cipher]

my recent princess log and i have 2.5m envenom average compared to ur 1.5m

[winged widget]

the average might be low to the DN procs not being consumed right away.

big envenom dmg there being missed

[buoyant mortar]

Yeah I was wrong, I have editing my comment now. Iw as looking at the wrong thing.

[solar cipher]

@lofty wind but ye between 1:37 and 2:07 it took u 5 finishers to consume darkest night (DN) procc, u really really need to do a max cp envenom to consume it earlier

make sure ur tracking it properly, losing out on free dam

[west crown]

On ST this applies. You should have enough energy to always spam in aoe

[agile locust]

Thanks, but during burst windows I should pool enough energy to not cap tea procs, even in aoe?

[lofty wind]

Noted, thank you.

[west crown]

You can’t pool in aoe is you are playing properly

[west crown]

Don’t ambush out of vanish in ST

[solar cipher]

really?

ic

[west crown]

Yeah don’t do that. Only do that if you drop mark

It used to be a thing early season when there was bugs but it’s been fixed

[shut wave]

guys, I fked up and crafted a third omencraft item and I cannot equip It. I believe it's because I crafted It with an embellishment, is there a way to get rid of the embellishment? :/

[solar cipher]

alright thanks!

[west crown]

Recraft without it maybe?

[shut wave]

It doesn't seem to allow me

[winged widget]

yes. there's an npc near the black market auction house "griftah" or something that seels an item that you can use as a "neutral embelishment" when you recraft the item

so it doesn't count towards your embelishment limit anymore

[shut wave]

😮 is that in dornogal?

[winged widget]

yes

[shut wave]

I'll try that thanks

[winged widget]

lots of videos showing how to do it. just type "how to remove embelishments in TWW"

[manic sphinx]

Hi All. Thinking of using my free 70 to get a rogue. Always wanted one, but never did. I main guardian and disc priest and have feral'd before. So feel Assassination is the best way. But I'm completely new, and all the spells in wowhead are alien to me, lol. Feeling a bit overwhelmed. I'd even have to figure out what abilities to put on keybinds and whatnot. Any tips, or just get into it at 70 and start levelling?

It's odd not learning a spec from L1, feels like cheating 😒 ..and wouldn't get to learn things as I level. But I guess that's a thing of the past anyway, with how quick it generally is to level

[west crown]

Hit 80, read wowhead, watch Whispyr on YouTube. Grab one of these weakauras

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brisk bough]

Hows Blessed Weapon Grip compared to ascension? For M+

[west crown]

All embellishments are shit and pretty equal

Just get 1

[manic sphinx]

Legend, thanks. I use Afenar for my other classes, so this will work well

[brisk bough]

ok cheers

[manic sphinx]

Sorry, I"m sure this is somewhere, but wowhead is very generic. Is there any preference for race for my new rogue?

[drowsy hatch]

no

mechagnomes are top sim but its so insignificant that youll be better from the morale buff in being pretty

[west crown]

Night elf is a nice qol for being able to drop combat and restealth for m+.

[manic sphinx]

Thanks, how about Dracthyr?

[cerulean walrus]

If you like how they look then go with that

[slate crown]

I'm considering it, their options look p good

[winged widget]

the rotational stuff isn't that many abilities, imo. when you get confortable with the rotation, slowly start getting confortable with the non-dmg stuff, like defensives/utilities and you will be fine

[slate crown]

#wow-general message

[winged widget]

also helps that Sin is a very chill spec to pick up and very fun to perfect yourself as you get more confortable with it

[manic sphinx]

Thanks, that's helpful

[slate crown]

looks real nice

[west crown]

That’s actually really good

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah but do they do front flips when you envenom?

Undead stays winning

[vivid elbow]

are we fast enough to reliably kick mythic Rasha'nan?

[rotund oak]

[coral ibex]

yes but if you beat the DH you should mock them

ruthlessly

[rotund oak]

outlaw could win in a vaccum,but there are several classes that can win,like monks or hunters or mages.All got stupid amount mobility/range.Mage has both but ye.. mages

[west crown]

I would never convert to dragonic heresy though. I am a proud NElf

[spice spire]

Elf lovers amiright @royal lantern smh

[quartz spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[worthy surge]

hi all just wondering if people feel like they are energy starved after changes and if people are running more hast because of it ?

[balmy condor]

Just as energy starved as usual in m+

And haste won’t change that

[merry cave]

Is this any good for us?

[runic hinge]

no

[balmy condor]

Terrible in fact

[cunning needle]

!haste

hmm

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[wide shuttle]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cinder bone]

WE DID IT BOYS

[cunning needle]

gzgzgz

[cinder bone]

took me ~20 runs, above average luck

[balmy condor]

Very above average

Gz

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[cinder bone]

it's gonna feel so good dropping imperfect ascendancy serum, i've bricked so many openers due to bad rng

[agile locust]

I looted two in less than that 🤣

[cinder bone]

im about to push an 11 wish me luck

[patent snow]

What's the best way to track DM so we know when to vanish into Pandemic?

[cunning needle]

huh?

[subtle tundra]

[thorn fjord]

Will evasion negate parasites on brood?

[cunning needle]

no

but you can press it to make you feel better

(i do)

[versed barn]

why do the IV and Wowhead have two different M+ builds

WH takes without a trace

IV doesnt

[subtle tundra]

welcome to assa

[runic hinge]

there are multiple good talents!

[oak tangle]

this seems like a bunch of assassination talents / abilities strung into a sentence by AI

[vast patio]

That's because you're not a good rogue that knows when to vanish into pandemic

[keen spruce]

There’s like 15 variations of m+ builds

They all kinda basically do the same thing

[vast patio]

I refuse to drop iron wire

[keen spruce]

Yeah don’t do that

[vast patio]

The qol is too strong

[keen spruce]

Idc what they’re doin in 17s to squeeze out damage

Don’t be cringe

[vast patio]

Yes

[oak tangle]

My assumption is you mean track kingsbane for the final ## seconds to vanish for the master assassin buff, which doesn’t require you to track DM, so ima say grab LE kingsbane tracker aura

[vast patio]

Sudden demise too idk feels weird not having those and subt

Especially for pugging

[versed barn]

Ah thanks, just trying to get in to assa from windwalker

[rotund oak]

im about 30 in,seen it drop twice

big gz btw

[keen spruce]

I’m running no subt no SD

Feels pretty gud

Little less mass aoe but better st

[jovial idol]

Hi guys, noob question: Does dot damage (and consequentially DM, Kingbane) splash with splatter?

[oak tangle]

if it's nature yes

[rotund oak]

nature damage spatters

[jovial idol]

Aha, thanks

[cinder bone]

+11 gb 😄

[slate crown]

!wa Click LE collection and find KB Timeline

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wispy epoch]

Did yall time that key?

[cinder bone]

we missed it cause tank mismanged trash and we killed last boss with 39 sec left had to backtrack

99%

[oak tangle]

😦

[subtle tundra]

yea ive done that..

tanking is hard

[coral ibex]

the gb classic

[cinder bone]

it was still a fun run, and got me an only gb vault slot

[oak tangle]

aint sure that's a thing

[subtle tundra]

that is not a thing

never has been

[cinder bone]

if 11 gb is the highest i've run it;ll still drop stuff from completed 10s?

[coral ibex]

yes

[subtle tundra]

from all dungeons

[cinder bone]

F

[subtle tundra]

doesnt matter what you did or not

[coral ibex]

you can't target farm via the vault

[wispy epoch]

Figured it was a deplete. That overall dps is kinda low

[cinder bone]

wtf when did they change that

[subtle tundra]

never

it was never like that

[coral ibex]

always been this way afaik

[cinder bone]

damn i've believed this years

[wispy epoch]

I’m usually 1.6mil above on 10+keys with other peeps being somewhat close behind

[subtle tundra]

did you play at the start of shadowlands?

[cinder bone]

yes

[oak tangle]

you may be confusing with raid vault, which you have to kill the boss to unlock that slot, but they changed that after tier 1 of DF

[subtle tundra]

yea when they announced the great vault, they said it would work that way

but never did it

probably cause it sucks

[cinder bone]

ah yeah i assumed it worked like that for both

[subtle tundra]

imagine having to do 8 of the 1 dungeon you need

and nothing else

[coral ibex]

they realized how degenerate wow players will be

[subtle tundra]

LOL

sorry cant play

fucks my vault

[coral ibex]

as if you're not running them already for the drop

but yea that part is ass

[subtle tundra]

i just farmed it first week

[coral ibex]

nah bro can't do keys i need 3 shots at skardyns

[wispy epoch]

If I’m not pushing m+ score I usually only do GB 10s for vault completion, otherwise hop on an alt

[coral ibex]

i can't get a queen ring in my myth raid vault slots after only being 4/8M right?

[subtle tundra]

first week is the easiest to farm cause every group has juicer(s) that also farm it

[subtle tundra]

ofc not

lol

this guy wants mythic last boss loot for doing "hc" bosses

[coral ibex]

yea i didn't think so lol someone in my guild was talking about it being a low % chance

[balmy condor]

@subtle tundra hey bro wanna do this dawnbreaker?

Ah man sorry, wish I could, I have 8 gb vaults

[subtle tundra]

only if we do a gb afterwards 1 key level higher to override it

[coral ibex]

the myth empowering crystal tho...

[balmy condor]

Oh true true

Huge brain

[drowsy hatch]

Crystal is my goat

[subtle tundra]

might need to fucking vod review my keys

but idk if i can do more dps

spec sucks

bro this chinese guy plays from inside the dungeon

[slate crown]

lol

[balmy condor]

so does he only get GB vaults

[subtle tundra]

probably

if you think about it

[balmy condor]

Insane tech

[subtle tundra]

gambling is illegal in cn

they get guaranteed 5 buff on outlaw

if you guys remember

[wild hound]

Wait so if I do some ara karas today ill have higher chance of sacbrood in vault??

[wispy epoch]

No dude

Read the whole

[loud nest]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wild hound]

Ahh haha, mb xD

[west crown]

Actually?

[subtle tundra]

[rotund oak]

isnt vault just random or the loot is regulated by what keys uve done

cant recall

[subtle tundra]

💀

man what brainrot

[wispy epoch]

Only do grim batol this week and tell us buddy

[amber brook]

I have 7 sieges in my vault

[rotund oak]

open ur phone and check ur calls

[amber brook]

I'll get you the result

[subtle tundra]

youre ill

[wispy epoch]

Idgi

[rotund oak]

[wispy epoch]

???

[balmy condor]

that’s the joke man

[umbral sierra]

i love that the pvp trinket is simming higher than the twin fang trinket lol

[rotund oak]

working,kinda detached from meaning 😦

[balmy condor]

Do you have another stat on use? Like skardyns/transmitter

[real onyx]

hey what do you guys thinnk about the extra vanish talent over rank 1 lethality in m+

good or nah

[umbral sierra]

nope

[balmy condor]

Can if you want

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’ll do it

[real onyx]

im a new assa rogue so was thinking about how sometimes i waste it idk

[umbral sierra]

im trying to get anything at this point tbh. im doing 8+ keys and getting to worst drops while only being 608 ilvl
i mostly pvp just want the mythic set

[subtle tundra]

its kinda goated in some dungeons

in others not so much

but even in the dungeon i think it would be good to drop, mists, i still think its giga

[sweet sinew]

I wonder when the Kingsbane cast breakdown is coming to wowanalyzer

[umbral sierra]

im looking at the wowhead talent builds and noticed the m+ talents changed. is taking master assassin really a dps increase over sanguine blades for keys in aoe?

[subtle tundra]

idk man

[waxen oyster]

probably never

[subtle tundra]

they are both close to equally as good

i like MA(but i hate the bug with it) so i play it

[umbral sierra]

the bug being if u have any duration of it and restealth it doesnt reset duration of it yeah

[subtle tundra]

yep i always stealth asap and sometimes i have something to do/mount up and its so annoying not being able to restealth immediately afterwards

[umbral sierra]

this was a plus 8 stone vault i did earlier and sanguine was 6th highest damage

[subtle tundra]

yes its good

[flint star]

Does Lethal Dose work with non-lethal poisons?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[umbral sierra]

ye

[waxen oyster]

there's alot of builds that work

[flint star]

So if I'm not applying Crippling in dungeons I lose 2%?

[waxen oyster]

no bonespike chads rise up

[umbral sierra]

pmuch

[waxen oyster]

yes you're losing damage

[umbral sierra]

only in pvp is no bonespike tollerable

[waxen oyster]

I mean

it barely slows down your opener

You just can't rupture rupture

[subtle tundra]

woah i have to press 2 more gcds

[umbral sierra]

eyah but it counts as a "bleed" no?

[subtle tundra]

though i did just start playing sbs all the time

[umbral sierra]

so extra dam on leathal dose

[subtle tundra]

it does yes

the sims knows that

[waxen oyster]

yep

Honestly I get similar results

playing wowhead hybrid

and no bonespike builds

[subtle tundra]

i want to squeeze out some more dps but idk what to do

😭

[waxen oyster]

regular hybrid sims higher patchwerk for me

but dropping bonespike is some yoked slice gains

[subtle tundra]

bonespike is really good for adds

[balmy condor]

Idk what that even means tbh

[balmy condor]

Generally yes

[subtle tundra]

esp since i play with aug so my adds dmg is important

[waxen oyster]

yeah aug

stinky spec

[subtle tundra]

well it makes the keys survivable

playing aug+priest+prot pala

[waxen oyster]

I mean yes

[subtle tundra]

youre invincible

[waxen oyster]

still doesnt change my opinion

on aug is terrible for the game

[subtle tundra]

true

bad dps with many disadvantages

but surviving and utility > dps

iron wire goated

my beloved

shit im carrying some pulls so hard

[waxen oyster]

idk its like they saw how much people hate PI

so they made an entire

spec

[subtle tundra]

i see the top rogues kinda fall behind omw to r1

🏎️

[umbral sierra]

wait now u mention it why dont we drop iron wire for sanguine blades?

if iron wire is just a silence effect and some damage reduction

[subtle tundra]

read what you replied to

[slate crown]

[subtle tundra]

"just"

a silence

that silence is omega good

[slate crown]

[umbral sierra]

that silence isnt gonna make my parse any pinker

[old vector]

I see casual drop iron wire

is good no?

[subtle tundra]

im banning you

[old vector]

🙁

[subtle tundra]

fucking pickles

i dont play iron wire in mists only

[umbral sierra]

iu get the util of it but outside of the opener its still kinda 1 garrote gg no?

[subtle tundra]

cause there's only packs with 1 intrerrupt

and nothing chain casts

[slate crown]

avi pic matches name ur good to go.

[subtle tundra]

fucking play iron wire

[subtle tundra]

youre doing 8s

play iron wire

youre not casual

[rain wraith]

Mag'har rogue racial next patch

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-6153870554148391864

[umbral sierra]

are 8s not casual status?

serious question btw

[subtle tundra]

we have a semantics problem here

casual is a top rogue player

casual also means playing casually

[umbral sierra]

never heard of em

u must mean pikaboo

[old vector]

playing iron wire in eh... what is in english with the heaven dungeon

?

[subtle tundra]

the greatest

[subtle tundra]

the what

[torn dome]

reckful >

[subtle tundra]

RIP

[old vector]

heaven my fat fucking nuts in your mouth

[slate crown]

ngl

he got you good

[umbral sierra]

wrecked

[subtle tundra]

gg

[old vector]

classic romanian blunder

[subtle tundra]

BRO WHO TF ARE YOU

fuck you

[old vector]

I am a bundle of pickles

[subtle tundra]

who in here is stupid enough

[old vector]

no more no less

[balmy condor]

Jesus Christ varas you got obliterated

By a leafy

Insane

[subtle tundra]

that leafy is a bunch of pickles

what can i do

[umbral sierra]

Can confirm leafy is here

[subtle tundra]

i got outclassed

[old vector]

true

pickles on top

[balmy condor]

💀

[subtle tundra]

mr pickles

was something else

[umbral sierra]

ight all mighty whispyr. iron wire or sanguine thoughts and reasoning

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-pickels-adultswim-conjure-disturbing-gif-19004261

[balmy condor]

Iron wire cause its utility and not bad

[old vector]

but casual is playing no iron wire

[balmy condor]

I hate pickles bro

[old vector]

🙁

[rotund cedar]

What is best racial for rog 😅

[umbral sierra]

nelf

[subtle tundra]

dwarf

[umbral sierra]

hands down

[subtle tundra]

someone say orc

[umbral sierra]

night elf

[torn dome]

Orc gg

[rain wraith]

Maghar orc maybe next pach

[hallow pelican]

Troll isn’t terrible

[slate crown]

It’s ok to be wrong sometimes

[rotund cedar]

I remember undead from clasics

[subtle tundra]

thats 2 decades ago

think the game has been updated

[quiet oar]

Rip Varas

[rotund cedar]

I check wowhead but couldnt find information

[umbral sierra]

i say nelf bc half these keys tanks dont want to wait for mobs to die and just say "fuck ur restealth"

[west crown]

Varas stays on top wym

[rain wraith]

for m+ pick dwarf

for the rest doesnt really matter

[umbral sierra]

also pvp

[subtle tundra]

yea on top but just below the elemental

fucking broken class

"no dmg here" -> procs, does more than me with all cds up

🐍

stealing my overall

[west crown]

Maelstrom go brrrr

[rotund cedar]

Actually i never played rog but i want learn i know will be take some time but i think better idea than play dh

[west crown]

DH isn’t even thought of right now as dps

It’s down there with ww

[balmy condor]

did you know rog spelled backwards is pog

lot of people don't realize that

[rain wraith]

what abour rogue backwards

[balmy condor]

eugor

[rotund cedar]

I put in a lot of time and effort but it doesn't work.

[rain wraith]

Hello Eugor

[balmy condor]

kinda goated name tbh

[subtle tundra]

Eguor*

[rain wraith]

giving me Hodor vibes

EUGOR

[silk bane]

did u know whispyr backwards is in my bed?

[old vector]

varas how do you stop an albanian tank

[silk bane]

eyo

[rain wraith]

did u know the word ''bed'' looks like a bed

[silk bane]

my bad its passt my bed time. i go bed now

[subtle tundra]

you call the romanian to steal all the components

[old vector]

you shoot the guy pushing it

[silk bane]

holy fuck

[subtle tundra]

basically the same

cant believe dua lipa is albanian

[balmy condor]

aight maybe pickles are aight

[sudden sigil]

Does shadow meld count as a restealth for IC?

[balmy condor]

no

[umbral sierra]

no but u macro it

[subtle tundra]

only 6 years older than me.... she could be my sugar mommy

[sweet sinew]

You mean what the breakdown gonna include?

[silk bane]

youre lying to me

[umbral sierra]

so ur meld drops combat for .1second and u get a stealth

[balmy condor]

yeah like what is it supposed to accomplish

[umbral sierra]

only works for trash

[sudden sigil]

Macro for what use sorry

[umbral sierra]

#showtooltip Shadowmeld
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

[sweet sinew]

Hope we'll see! I guess its gonna tell if bleedes are in during kingsbane, is shiv buff on during etc.

[umbral sierra]

use macro x2 to get the stealth

[balmy condor]

you need an analyzer to tell you that?

[sudden sigil]

Oh shit im an idiot

[umbral sierra]

its great in pvp bc its a 3rd vanish basicall pve only m+ trash bc boss and raid boss wont let meld drop combat

[oak tangle]

this seems like both such a noob thing (tracking bleeds during kb) and a hardcore (min maxing uptimes in cds) for a tool that is tailored to people who don't understand the spec

[sweet sinew]

Well no, but someone could need!

[icy mantle]

How to improve my single?

[oak tangle]

if you are having to track your uptimes of bleeds to begin with, you are already missing the fundamental step of a dot spec

[sweet sinew]

well obviously you have to track your bleeds. wdym?

[balmy condor]

your suggestion just doesn't make sense

[oak tangle]

track bleeds (weakaura) is not trackign bleed uptime (wowanalyser)

[sweet sinew]

I'm not telling I NEED wowanalyzer for anything. But I had problems before and now I can confirm I'm doing things right 😛

I don't parse great on mythic but I know without analyzing what I'm missing out

[oak tangle]

right, but you're asking to specifically track uptime of bleeds inside kb, which is silly, because you should be 100% uptime on bleeds for the whole fight

[umbral sierra]

yeah idk sims show this build higher dps

[sweet sinew]

Well let's turn this thing to: It's fun to see what the kingsbane analyzer will tell

[umbral sierra]

but im seeing a diff in the dps meters without sanguine

fuck iron wire

[balmy condor]

what kingsbane analyzer bro

[subtle tundra]

bro

[balmy condor]

there is no kingsbane analyzer

[sweet sinew]

There will be "SOON" 😄

[agile locust]

anyone have a WA just for tracking envenom?

[subtle tundra]

if i ever tank a key pug and i see a rogue without iron wire he is getting blocked

[balmy condor]

according to what

[oak tangle]

i think you just need to learn to analyse your own logs, what you are wanting has no relevance to the average analyser user

[sweet sinew]

according to the text in wowanalyzer

[balmy condor]

oh god

is he updating it again

I'm terrified tbh

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

i cant believe people in elo hell of keys would rather do a bit more dmg than having a better chance of timing the key

[sweet sinew]

it's coming soon (tm)

[subtle tundra]

you already do dogshit dps you wont have any significant better dps

atleast bring utility

[oak tangle]

"you didn't proc enough weapon poisons during kingsbane 1, please make sure you are applying more poisons to increase the stacks of kingsbane"

[umbral sierra]

elo hell? a +8 gives the same loot a +10

[balmy condor]

a "kingsbane cast breakdown" does not spark hope for the future of the tool

[subtle tundra]

yes the players in +8s are bots

[sweet sinew]

kingsbane cast breakdown will up my parses to 99s!

[subtle tundra]

so its elo hell

[umbral sierra]

u should see pvp

[subtle tundra]

dont need to see anything, im the bot in there

[oak tangle]

-> "ME" 🔫

[agile locust]

anyone have a WA just for tracking envenom?

[royal lantern]

based

[hallow sonnet]

I feel people way too often use tools as a crutch or some sort of mental shortcut rather than actually learning stuff and then being able to use said tools to elevate them further.
Like "Oh you didn't do XYZ during your CD's" so you get some stupid reminder that when cd's are up to start doing XYZ during your cds. But it doesn't do anything about the root cause, which is that you probably just need to improve on the maintenance and get your internal clock to tell your muscle memory to keep things up before your cds even come online.

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean that's not even the problem with it

"kingsbane cast breakdown" is an oxymoron in itself

aside from like, refreshing your shiv

there's nothing to break down

[oak tangle]

your last 2 ticks of kingsbane didn't crit, please make use of talents like master assassin to have a higher chance to crit

[balmy condor]

kingsbane is a button you press and it does the work on its own

[oak tangle]

(still dosent crit)

[hallow sonnet]

I guess amount of casts based on combat time etc

[balmy condor]

no

that's already a thing in the base module

this is like

casts during kingsbane

which doesn't make any sense outside of "did you press shiv"

[hallow sonnet]

Ah

[balmy condor]

so like

kinda concerning to me

[oak tangle]

im sure there is like a 2 line filter expression for logs, that would just compare kb uptime with shiv uptime that already does that

[balmy condor]

cause it feels like whoever is maintaining it doesn't really understand what the tool is supposed to help with

[hallow sonnet]

Well, I guess it's similar but less impactful than filling shadowdance window as sub or crackshot window as outlaw

[balmy condor]

there's nothing actionable about tracking what you cast during kingsbane

[visual vault]

i have that wa where it tracks how much damage i do during kb windows

its pretty toxic (get it?) cause i get mad at myself when i score bad

[balmy condor]

the ultimate pessimist in me is thinking what the worst could be, and it could lead to wowanalyzer for example suggesting that rupture during kingsbane is a "bad" cast

when it's not a bad cast

[hallow sonnet]

I mean, there can be. Like if you're often out of energy during kingsbane in AoE, that would indicate that you've set up poorly and all your bleeds drop from other targets midway etc.
Like I can see some analytics potential - however as I wrote above, it's the wrong way to approach personal improvement

[balmy condor]

which is why I'm concerned

as long as shiv is pressed, you did your job really

so if we're breaking anything else down and sorting it into buckets of good/okay/bad (which is really just what wowanalyzer does)

then the logical conclusion is that there are bad casts

which there aren't

[hallow sonnet]

Kingsbane has bad feedback though

[ionic fox]

Anyone have a good carnage WA? Can't find spell ID on wowhead to duplicate and create.

[sweet sinew]

maybe this is why it's "coming soon". it has no purpose!

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean this wa has also added major brainrot to people

[hallow sonnet]

Like a kingsbane where you sit on target and do your casts and stack it "feels" the same as a kingsbane where you lose like 30% of your poison procs because you target switch around to do maintenance or stops instead of doing them before/with mouseovers

[balmy condor]

all the people showing up "I only got 95 stacks what am I doing wrong!!"

[visual vault]

cant rot ur brain if u dont have one kek

[balmy condor]

"my KB was only 2 mil but earlier I had a 3 mil what's the issue!!"

[subtle tundra]

you played assa in df...

[balmy condor]

you didn't get lucky bro

like

what do you want

[visual vault]

fuck this is me frfr

lmao

are you one of them mystics

[subtle tundra]

you in particular probably misplayed

only you

[balmy condor]

the other rogue in my guild was log diving and wondering why my kingsbane hit so much harder than his

I hit a giga crit while I had 12 stacks of heads coins

he did not

get fucked idiot

[subtle tundra]

gamba spec when it WINS

[visual vault]

this is always what i assume

[subtle tundra]

JUST WIN

[balmy condor]

better get a cast breakdown of that kingsbane

[vestal wren]

fatebound enjoyer?

[balmy condor]

(flipping the coin)

[balmy condor]

kyveza prog still

[oak tangle]

i wonder what wow analyser would say about me, "you have gaps in your shivs" when even that doesn't matter as long as you hit all the ticks

[vestal wren]

we did a few pulls yesterday, fight is such a shitshow

[balmy condor]

yeah idk it's just cooked

[hallow sonnet]

abc though

[subtle tundra]

the only thing i hit are your lips with mine

[balmy condor]

it's just a classic fight of waiting for the slowest person in your raid to figure it out

[visual vault]

killed my raid last night trying to fill in those gaps lol

[balmy condor]

which isn't entirely fun

[vestal wren]

yes, its just throwing bodies at the boss till everyone learns the fight

good for guilds like my one

where we rarely have the same people each week

[quiet oar]

But its also a Boss

[soft shale]

and then tanks miss masks on the last phase

[quiet oar]

Where you can be Lucky and just kill it

[soft shale]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

that was our first 1.2% wipe

somet ime ago

[vestal wren]

oh absolutely, but i think the last 4 of the raid are brutal in difficulty compared to the first 4

[balmy condor]

our tanks are luckily very good

so I'm not too worried

[quiet oar]

Yeah their difficulty curve is bad

[soft shale]

tbh it was not 100% the fault of the tank sometimes people move last second

for no reason

[quiet oar]

and Silken Court

is a shit fight

idk

[soft shale]

other than being special

i dont mind silken

apart from the fucken scarabers

[quiet oar]

Its so boring

[vestal wren]

we have 67 kills on the end boss

and this with a ramping buff

[soft shale]

and several nerfs

[vestal wren]

which should trivialize the raid

[balmy condor]

idk I would really prefer if blizzard would just turn some of the 5 pull bosses into 80 pull bosses and some of the 400 pull bosses into 150 pull bosses

[quiet oar]

I think when HoF closes

[vestal wren]

the raid difficulty just wen through the roof

[quiet oar]

all Bosses get nerfs again

[soft shale]

rasha nan and sikran miss something

and bloodbound

[quiet oar]

Like Ovinax gets maybe some double eggs removed

[vestal wren]

i am not saying its bad, its just unconventional

[soft shale]

there should be like a new special mythic add

[vestal wren]

targeting a diffrent audience than mythic usually did

[brittle quail]

court bugged

[balmy condor]

feels like a heroic guild can get 4 down

[brittle quail]

one boss didnt die

we got saved

and can't get to ansurek

[balmy condor]

yep this happens

[brittle quail]

a nice fight yes

[balmy condor]

we had it happen like a month ago

[soft shale]

then ovi xan presents herself

[balmy condor]

they fixed it

[soft shale]

GREETINGS FELLOW RAIDERS

[brittle quail]

no