Same dude
#assassination
arctic socket
@grim jay double vanish is dope
royal lantern
mate you use #assassination
timber meadow
I mean yeah but when im being told "its just not true" and it clearly is true, if you just move the goal post i mean wtvr
woven shore
<@314360286247124992> double vanish is dope
arctic socket
It goes hard in m+
timber meadow
i didn't mean to make it an argument i was just curious as to why
woven shore
You sure
timber meadow
like is there something i can personally do to increase the boss dam of ct
spice spire
i didn't mean to make it an argument i was just curious as to why
And I answered
Crit more
timber meadow
that was my initial goal of asking
woven shore
like is there something i can personally do to increase the boss dam of ct
Cast it with deathmark?
spice spire
But “all top logs” is still not more
timber meadow
aight ye its just rng its fine
timber meadow
Cast it with deathmark?
bruh lol
woven shore
spice spire
Cast it with deathmark?
Yeah that’s not it either
woven shore
But it does more dmg right
arctic socket
Just rng harder forehead
grim jay
<@314360286247124992> double vanish is dope
Its pretty good right? I wish I could double vanish irl
grim jay
mate you use <#316923750073499648>
Dont expose me 
slate crown
AGAIN
arctic socket
Its pretty good right? I wish I could double vanish irl
I like using it with certain groups where tanks are brainless n chain into. Next pack with no hp 😭
grim jay
I like using it with certain groups where tanks are brainless n chain into. Next...
Ye for that and for just not holding your vanish in a way that lose you casts. Like my tanks usually post routes with potential bigger chains and I can comfortably hold for those
normal mist
Where the F do you find these
proven jasper
Where the F do you find these
Why do you wanna know 
normal mist
A friend asked
proven jasper
A friend asked
little burrow
what is the ability of choice for getting that last combo point to 7 if you need only 1? just a natty mutilate?
proven jasper
Sure sure
normal mist
what is the ability of choice for getting that last combo point to 7 if you need...
yes
grim jay
You get tanks that post routes?
They kinda start that if they are maintanks and try to push for rio 
arctic socket
They kinda start that if they are maintanks and try to push for rio <:bla:126468...
I’m hard stuck 2728
I wanna push higher tho 😦
grim jay
Thats one way to go about it
spice spire
I wanna push higher tho 😦
How about you push for some bitches
grim jay
But if you are famous, all the big boys know you too
grim jay
How about you push for some bitches
For us? Bitch
arctic socket
How about you push for some bitches
@slate crown get him 😦
crisp walrus
what is the ability of choice for getting that last combo point to 7 if you need...
I've wondered this too! On pure ST fights I use fok at 6 CP for darkest night instead of mutilate
strange python
Why is bitch allowed but the Australian c word isn’t
crisp walrus
Does it really matter though? such a minimal difference
grim jay
Does it really matter though? such a minimal difference
Yes
strange python
Genuine question btw
arctic socket
Talking to women is hard someone send me the sim on how to approach them
grim jay
Why is bitch allowed but the Australian c word isn’t <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
Bcs its australian? Schlampe.
strange python
Fötzchen
crisp walrus
Bcs fok does way less dmg
Just looking at my tooltips fok deals 60k while mutilate deals 63k
strange python
grim jay
Talking to women is hard someone send me the sim on how to approach them
You should know best
proven jasper
Just looking at my tooltips fok deals 60k while mutilate deals 63k
Tooltips lie
crisp walrus
True
grim jay
Just looking at my tooltips fok deals 60k while mutilate deals 63k
Mutilate has tons of talents with interactions while fok barely has any
crisp walrus
Fair
grim jay
Those talents arent necessarily, or in that case mostly not, accounted for
crisp walrus
still probably close to unnoticeable as a whole but will do mutilates instead
warm vortex
average assassination player
arctic socket
@grim jay xayah or vex cosplay next?
royal python
If a darkest night envenom kills a mob I'm losing darkest night rebuff, this bug still exists?
real onyx
hey, do we castr the aoe bleed in ST
normal mist
no
royal python
hey, do we castr the aoe bleed in ST
No unless you got 60% haste
normal mist
why the 60% haste?
coral ibex
royal python
Then it's worth it
normal mist
but why
coral ibex
source?
normal mist
?
coral ibex
source just trust me dood
normal mist
Like in bfa
Sounds like bullshit
proven jasper
good thing its been like 4 expansions since bfa and things change
normal mist
"ah man with BL i have 59% haste, not worth casting CT in ST"
subtle tundra
Man bait is obvious sometimes
royal python
It is, at 59%
subtle tundra
Stop biting
royal python
Cause of lethal dose
proven jasper
royal python
Why we debating , you all sitting at 5% haste lmao
proven jasper
??????
normal mist
i'm at 14 actually
proven jasper
im actually at 12% thank you sir
cinder bone
all these wars that rerolled prot pal are driving me nuts
spice spire
Like in bfa
When we had completely different talents system and old abilities that no longer exist
So real bestie
vast patio
Is sudden demise bugged? Noticing a lot of mobs living even to like a mere 50k without it exploding them.
cinder bone
just had a 2400 prot pal brick a grim batol 8 because he kept running ahead doing monster pulls realizing hes not geared and melts like paper if healer isnt on top of him
fallen arch
2400 iq?
proven jasper
Why is that warriors fault though
royal python
Is sudden demise bugged? Noticing a lot of mobs living even to like a mere 50k ...
You need more haste
vast patio
You need more haste
wut
cinder bone
Why is that warriors fault though <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
cause his main is prot war and they're like unkillable in low keys
spice spire
Is sudden demise bugged? Noticing a lot of mobs living even to like a mere 50k ...
You have more than a few ticks of bleed left correct?
vast patio
aye
cinder bone
I am seeing all the rogues in murlok io drop sudden demise
spice spire
I am seeing all the rogues in murlok io drop sudden demise
Because there’s several builds
royal python
Is darkest night still bugged if i kill a mob with it active, not getting rebuffed in open world
spice spire
Nothing is concretely bud
spice spire
Is darkest night still bugged if i kill a mob with it active, not getting rebuff...
It shouldn’t be bugged in that regard
at least not that I’ve seen
royal python
It shouldn’t be bugged in that regard
Certainly is, happening continuously as I'm skinning
Basically the bug is , if clear the witnesses is up, then darkest night killing blows bug out
You can try it
royal python
Thanks
spice spire
Kill with darkest night > immediately max co envenom kill with darkest night > lose marks
So if ctw is the root
That’s good info ty
Been trying to figure out
royal python
I dunno if it happens in dungeons but for sure has been happening last 1 hour of skinning
proper seal
Is there a plater profile for assassination rogues? hard to keep track when you apply 10 different debuffs...
drowsy hatch
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cursive adder
Arent assa talents kinda badly developed? There is big diff between aoe and single target, some classes switch one talent, its kinda like mm hunter, either total aoe or single
royal python
You can toggle internal bleeding n caustic spatter, to do incremental single target / huge aoe
sharp viper
what are you smoking
proven jasper
Assa has like 10 different builds that all do things well differently, wouldnt call it badly developed at all lmao
royal python
The aoe requires a multiple gcd setup , with rupture being cast + deadly being applied
proven jasper
I mean deadly just gets applied passively, not sure why that’d be a problem
Also lots of other specs have setup as well
spice spire
I dunno if it happens in dungeons but for sure has been happening last 1 hour of...
Has happened in dungeons. Worth investigating ty
royal python
Ya it's not, but you would do a 5 point rupture which eats into 2 gcd at least if deathstalker, n then build again for your envenom
royal python
Has happened in dungeons. Worth investigating ty
Hope it's fixed!
sharp viper
while I don't think they are perfect, we don't have aoe/st issues like other specs
royal python
Has happened in dungeons. Worth investigating ty
Have retested, happens consistently
primal yoke
Hey looking for some trinket insight. I've ran sims for several different scenarios, and Skardyns always sims lower than Transmitter. Is there more to the story with these trinkets than just sims? Is it because 2 min CD lines up better with Sin CDs? Just wondering why so many sin rogues choose Skardyns over Transmitter
vast patio
You have more than a few ticks of bleed left correct?
seems to be mostly in delves, world mobs and dungeons just explode as expected.
spice spire
Hey looking for some trinket insight. I've ran sims for several different scenar...
Yeah you nailed it + transmitter mini game can be rough
tropic rover
Yeah transmitter is pretty ass to actually use
primal yoke
Yeah one time on Siege I used Transmitter and the orb yeeted out into the water faster than Usain bolt
royal python
Hey looking for some trinket insight. I've ran sims for several different scenar...
It's like witherbark branch vs ashes of the embersoul, ease of life better than theoretical damage
tropic rover
royal python
I did 82 runs
primal yoke
😭
tropic rover
I'm up to run #33
spice spire
Just loot it 
royal python
In those 82 runs it dropped once for a hunter
spice spire
(I hate the loot pool of the dungeon)
primal yoke
Look man I can only handle the gloomy atmosphere of GB so many times 😂 plus pugs love to grief that dungeon
tropic rover
I think I got mine around run 50 or so
royal python
It's like a mount farm, drop rate is 5%, but personal chance for loot is 20%, so overall personal chance is 1%
tropic rover
(I hate the loot pool of the dungeon)
Yeah it's asinine
primal yoke
I did 5 runs in a row with friends where all 4 other people could trade it to me
crisp walrus
Can this weeks affix heal bosses? had last boss on arakara and second boss in dawn randomly heal a shit ton this week
primal yoke
Yeah if not all 5 are dispelled it heals for like 10% per stack over like 5 seconds
spice spire
bruh earthquake 5klm away from my place,my house was dancing
Mb mb
spice spire
Didn’t mean to make it quake 
royal python
Has happened in dungeons. Worth investigating ty
Happened once without clear the witnesses up, but momentum of despair hero talent was up. Not sure if this helps
spice spire
Any bit does - appreciated
timber gate
anyone got best m+ talents for high keys 13-15
royal python
Any bit does - appreciated
Yeah confirmed, without clear the witnesses, even if moment of despair is up, it bugs, i replicated it while skinning
normal mist
anyone got best m+ talents for high keys 13-15
I mean if you're doing that high lvl keys, you should be cooking your own talents
Since the ones on the guides are more like a baseline for most of the playerbase doing up to 10/11s
royal python
Has happened in dungeons. Worth investigating ty
So, just to clarify, if darkest night is not up, things work fine, you'll get the DN buff on kill, if mark was applied. However if DN is up, n Max cp envenom lands a killing blow, it will bug out if clear witness or moment despair is active
pure moth
How many bugs we got now?
royal python
I don't care about any of them except tails flip not working on zoldyck 😄 , been complaining about this one since expansion release
Why should one coin flip scale into zoldyck but other doesn't
spice spire
How many bugs we got now?
Too many
runic hinge
oops! All bugs!
lost grotto
is the algari diamond effect worth getting?
winged sun
is the algari diamond effect worth getting?
depends if u want to do more dps or not
If u feel like doing some low dps u can ignore every minmax out there 
Brb sleep
pliant remnant
Wise beyond his years
twin bay
How do you play the fight?
jokes aside what do you wanna know exactly? cd timings?
river shoal
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short sedge
jokes aside what do you wanna know exactly? cd timings?
This and talents
twin bay
regular st talents but with spatter is what i played
cds is either on pull or after the first charge (this is rly whatever)
then you pop 1 kingsbane in the second charge if you popt on pull and after that you delay it for the dispell dmg amp
i suggest checking lorgs
very good timeline for cd timings
royal lantern
is the algari diamond effect worth getting?
sim it
twin bay
the one thing that you should keep an eye on is not losing your darkest night buff
fallow sentinel
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royal python
the one thing that you should keep an eye on is not losing your darkest night bu...
Doesn't fatebound do more damage on 2 target with delivered doom buff
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twin bay
i havent bothered checking it out tbh. we had it on 1% before the patch and i didnt feel changing anything up for the few tries it took after the patch
royal lantern
Doesn't fatebound do more damage on 2 target with delivered doom buff
im somewhat sure that fatebound is kinda bad everywhere that is not 100% ST
+, you know
fatebound is absolute cringe hellhole lol
did an entire heroic re-clear + the first 3 bossess on mythic and got the capstone ONCE
twin bay
losing my mark because it didnt pay attention on intermission was also cringe i can asure you
royal python
Strange, i always cap
frank condor
did the shiv macro get fixed or something? it stopped working for me today
shiv/tea*
twin bay
looks like the typical husband and wife dungeon combo that gets salty when the time inbetween pulls is to short
sage egret
Quick dumb question: Do you apply CT on mono?
twin bay
ct on 2+
sage egret
Ok ty!
vivid mulch
looks like the typical husband and wife dungeon combo that gets salty when the t...
I got killed and when i went to click release it spawned me outside the instance
And they somehow kick me for it
Gl to them without a tank
twin bay
xD
vivid mulch
dry dagger
Are you saved to a lockout on Mythic still?
twin bay
yes
twin bay
yeah idk why that is still in the game
tall atlas
twin bay
nah that shit should be just gone. get id for the boss so you dont get loot more than once and be done with it
people gonna boost anyway who cares
twin bay
yeah but if you dont get id for the entire raid a team of 18 people could sell mythic runs all day long
but i couldnt care less i dont want to get fucked over when raiding on alts
rain wraith
Thoughts on Fatebound for mythic kyveza?
twin bay
gamba it up
nimble vector
fatebound 
dry dagger
yeah but if you dont get id for the entire raid a team of 18 people could sell m...
It would make life for guilds like mine a lot easier. Not big enough for a full mythic roster, but we're good enough skill wise to at least kill a few bosses
twin bay
exactly that would make the entire raiding scene so much better
imagine how many heroic only guilds could step into mythic without that stupid restriction
dry dagger
Yeah
royal lantern
imagine how many heroic only guilds could step into mythic without that stupid r...
not many
cus they would get stopped by the first slightly harder boss lol
dry dagger
And right now, we're stuck in a pinch, cos we're pugging like 1/3 of the raid, and one guy is late but should be coming, so if we fill his spot momentarily we'll fuck over someone's lockout
royal lantern
the entire "we COULD do mythic if it would not be for the evil 20man req >:C" thing is the biggesst cope in wow
dry dagger
the entire "we COULD do mythic if it would not be for the evil 20man req >:C" th...
Not even close to it
Doing Mythic is not the same as getting CE
twin bay
its not the 20man its getting locked out of the enitre id if you joined a mythic pug
royal lantern
Not even close to it
ye, people that think that m+ is a relevant content are coping harder
nimble vector
cus they would get stopped by the first slightly harder boss lol
if you can kill heroic ansurek you can clear 4/8M
dry dagger
ye, people that think that m+ is a relevant content are coping harder <:kekdog:9...
If you can do 12s you can do the first 4 bosses in Mythic every tier without much issue
dry dagger
if you can kill heroic ansurek you can clear 4/8M
And this
royal lantern
if you can kill heroic ansurek you can clear 4/8M
stopped by the first slightly harder boss
yes
palace has a fucked difficulty curve
everyone knows that lol
stray adder
World of Warcraft has begun.
nimble vector
>stopped by the first slightly harder boss
yeah but when the first difficult boss is over halfway through the raid it's pretty good for people to be able to go in and try 
coral ibex
cus they would get stopped by the first slightly harder boss lol
plenty of AOTC guilds could also be 4/8M
mythic rash is not harder than ansurek heroic
lavish geyser
is the queens mandate good for m+?
twin bay
is the queens mandate good for m+?
good trinket all around but what are the alternatives
royal lantern
mythic rash is not harder than ansurek heroic
after all the weird nerfs she got, im not sure about that anymore tbh lol
nimble vector
is the queens mandate good for m+?
any passive stat trinket is probably better
lavish geyser
damn, fr?
royal lantern
like, idk why they nerfed her ON HEROIC over and over and over and over again
nimble vector
just an awkward single target trinket to use in m+
lavish geyser
Was gonna gonna trade the raid mount for it
nimble vector
like, idk why they nerfed her ON HEROIC over and over and over and over again
because the boss was far too difficult for what a heroic boss should be, especially at this point in the season
proven jasper
World of Warcraft has begun.
Big nose log in
lavish geyser
so going skardyns and then just some passive trinket is better then 2 active uses trinkets?
worldly bridge
How can i see what flask is my sim using with "SimC default" ?
twin bay
top right "simulation details"
gloomy heart
Is radiant power better in raid than depths?
spice spire
Is radiant power better in raid than depths?
Depends on profile
Some have way better results with radiant inbsims than most
dim hill
!craft
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Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
gloomy heart
Also, why do we play bonespike over shrouded suff
dim hill
Yo guys, can i craft 4 items? Or is it better to upgrade what i got? I have no mythic items yet tho
rain wraith
Has any1 played fatebound on kyveza?
drowsy hatch
Whispyr plays fatebound on kyveza prog
spice spire
Also, why do we play bonespike over shrouded suff
There’s like 60 builds king
Pop off
gloomy heart
I am new to pve
gloomy heart
Also not even close to full gear so idk why im tryna minmax
twin bay
easiest way is to just check the top logs
frank condor
The dismissive answer is because it sims higher but also it’s an extra bleed vs juicing an existing one
spice spire
spice spire
Also not even close to full gear so idk why im tryna minmax
Average WoW player experience
coral ibex
after all the weird nerfs she got, im not sure about that anymore tbh lol
maybe you’re right but even then an AOTC guild with less than 20 could pug 4/8M as their goal each week
spice spire
But like whatever let people enjoy what they want
coral ibex
adding more rungs on the prog ladder to climb is good
and is a more player friendly way to keep up the MAU stat
worldly bridge
Whispyr plays fatebound on kyveza prog
Why is that ?
spice spire
More dam
worldly bridge
I would understand fatebound when you need to switch target often and don’t want to manage the mark. But Kyveza?
drowsy hatch
Why is that ?
fatebound is slightly more dmg on pure st
worldly bridge
Oh
spice spire
I would understand fatebound when you need to switch target often and don’t want...
That’s actually a worse time to switch to fatebound
drowsy hatch
like between 1-2%
gloomy heart
What tier piece do i not play, i see some play 5 set some play chest
worldly bridge
Ok ill give it a try tonight thx
spice spire
What tier piece do i not play, i see some play 5 set some play chest
Chest is the odd one out
But all 5 who cares
gloomy heart
Sorry for all the questions, ty
worldly bridge
That’s actually a worse time to switch to fatebound
I don’t mean dmg wise. I mean to keep ur sanity intact. The amount of time I got fucked cuz I dropped the mark 💀💀
spice spire
Sorry for all the questions, ty
How dare you (this is the role of the discord you’re fine king)
spice spire
I don’t mean dmg wise. I mean to keep ur sanity intact. The amount of time I got...
Real tho
gaunt pendant
what are best W/A and addsons for sin rogue to get
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Pick your flavor
worldly bridge
Any rotational difference Fatebound vs Deathstalker on ST ?
spice spire
Wa/player seem to be the general gist
spice spire
Any rotational difference Fatebound vs Deathstalker on ST ?
Don’t open with ambush (Tybg)
And uh
Min max is some funky vanish logic
Outside of that nah
worldly bridge
Thx! Vanish for big KB I suppose ?
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carmine moth
This might not be the right channel for it, but is there anyone who has a wa that shows the remaining duration on poisons when there is a rc?
sage egret
Hey guys, is "Shiv" a press on CD?
spice spire
Thx! Vanish for big KB I suppose ?
Then min-max is fishing for a 7 roll to get fateful ending during CDs
sage egret
Like just before?
spice spire
If you’re not in a place to do that
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spice spire
Then just end of kb
sage egret
Like I do DM -> Shiv -> KB?
sage egret
Alright got you, thanks!
spice spire
Like just before?
So if you have two shivs(raid):
shiv > kingsbane> (once other shiv rolls off) shiv again.
If you have one you just shiv last 8s of kb
spice spire
Yeah so just at the last 8s of kb
sage egret
Aight
spice spire
Because that’s when the most stacks are had and the largest dam of the ability
twin bay
in keys you can send it more or less on cd since you will hate it up for end of kb
have it
sage egret
Ok so (excuse me I'm having a hard time figuring out those mechs), I press Shiv during the last 8sec or after?
twin bay
jeez whats wrong with me today
spice spire
Ok so (excuse me I'm having a hard time figuring out those mechs), I press Shiv ...
Last 8s of kb
Then yeah you can rawdog it outside
But you want it in the last 8 seconds of kingsbane
sage egret
Alright, thanks a lot!
carmine moth
BUT
sage egret
BUT?!
limber lion
Hmm
carmine moth
Rather have it for the last 7 secs, instead of missing the last tick on KB
As in using it 9sec before kb runs off
frank condor
Oh
Fatebound is weaker defensively though by quite a bit especially on Kyveza where you need something consistent for intermissions
spice spire
Fatebound is weaker defensively though by quite a bit especially on Kyveza where...
Elusiveness should be enough eh
frank condor
If you’re progging the safety net of evasion is good
primal oasis
Is there any reason to track fatal intent, poisons and mutiulated flesh or can I just blacklist them?
twin bay
having 20% magic dr on evasion is so good#
limber lion
Is there any reason to track fatal intent, poisons and mutiulated flesh or can I...
Blacklist em all
frank condor
Yes you always run elusive anyway but evasion is free DR
spice spire
Yeah
crisp walrus
spatter or internal bleeding for hc rashanan parse
spice spire
So the extra defensiveness isn’t crazy
crisp walrus
adds insta explode
spice spire
spatter or internal bleeding for hc rashanan parse
Just go ib on heroic
If adds live that’s a problem
crisp walrus
ye guild has like 4 warriors so they dont
spice spire
But it ain’t yours
winged quail
unless the ads are placed inside the boss and somehow live spatter is troll there
spice spire
Hero tho
twin bay
there could always be that pull where all the padders die and you can be the padder yourself (jk who dies on heroic xdd)
frank condor
Adds die too quick anyway just fan for free CPs and nuke boss
spice spire
Adds die too quick anyway just fan for free CPs and nuke boss
Saving a ctw proc just to spite the padders
worldly bridge
Then min-max is fishing for a 7 roll to get fateful ending during CDs
This require some specific WA to track it I guess ? I’ve simmed it, Fatebound is 0.1% ahead of Deathstalker. If the sim is doing the min/max thingy I guess it’s not worth for me to make the change.
I’m assuming it’s because of my gear right ? I have WAY TOO MUCH haste regarding my crit/mast and Fatebound prefers crit if I remember correctly
frank condor
Saving a ctw proc just to spite the padders
This is the way
spice spire
It does prefer crit but it’s not omega ahead either way
Unless you just have a dumb fucking amount of crit for some reason
frank condor
Are you really that averse to managing DSM? I don’t really get it
Given you need to step off kyveza a lot anyway you might have more success with doing TDN mini game
spice spire
Managing dsm st isn’t a huge deal
Managing it period isn’t
But especially st
Most people want every bit of dps they can for the fight tho
frank condor
Sin already has weird timings with KB lining up with her 2nd charge set
spice spire
Nah she’s getting kingsbane’d regardless. 50/50 on raid getting queensbane’d tho (this is a joke)
worldly bridge
Are you really that averse to managing DSM? I don’t really get it
I’m not anymore, I got used to eventually but on some fights like silken it’s annoying. We were discussing about Fatebound cuz it’s supposed to be a 1-2% increase on ST. For me it’s not, according to sim. I’ll stick dot DS
gloomy heart
in raid, should i only save my shivs for when i have kingsbane?
nimble vector
in raid, should i only save my shivs for when i have kingsbane?
yes
spice spire
in raid, should i only save my shivs for when i have kingsbane?
Yes
twin bay
not with your 4 warrior group
crisp walrus
hahah yeah you're right
frank condor
Heroic no mythic yes
I was considering doing death stalker sub because it’s so tanky for kyveza lol. Maybe still will try it
short sedge
regular st talents but with spatter is what i played
Did you focus on keeping rupture/garrote on both targets ?
twin bay
most of the time
worldly bridge
Oh also I had a question for minmaxing KB with MA, in keys with subterfuge.
I’ve heard u should vanish the last 8sec of KB to proc MA. What do you cast from stealth ? Ambush ? Mut ? Garrote ? Doesnt matter ?
gaunt pendant
anybody got a good elvuis set up
jade abyss
the frontal from fiorst boss nw is nature damage right?
novel star
ye
normal mist
you can either cloak at the last second or evasion it
coral ibex
its an attack
nimble vector
Oh also I had a question for minmaxing KB with MA, in keys with subterfuge.
I’...
apply imp garrotes and just press what you would normally press outside of stealth
gloomy heart
Okay someone told me 8 and 3 ty
coral ibex
what were they cooking
novel star
8 is for shiv
gloomy heart
what were they cooking
ig they burnt something
novel star
with evasion
it’s a nature damage attack for whatever reason
so evasion dodges it
you can also immune with the first second of cloak
but since it’s not rly a spell the rest of cloak doesn’t do anything
gloomy heart
i need a kb timer so i can time these things
twin bay
i just use wa's i did with the template fucntion
jade abyss
it’s a nature damage attack for whatever reason
stupid but thank you oli
spice surge
The rare template function user 
spice surge
stupid but thank you oli
Yes
novel star
yeah game sucks unlucky
limber lion
Okay someone told me 8 and 3 ty
Shiv is 8s, Subtefuge is 3s
So just some things in between missing
novel star
that boss is a knowledge check af
limber lion
MA for 6+3+3
jade abyss
that boss is a knowledge check af
i mean i use eva for it but i was think cloak works aswell when eva is on cd lol
spice surge
that boss is a knowledge check af
Tbh all bosses in NW are ass
limber lion
i mean i use eva for it but i was think cloak works aswell when eva is on cd lol
And it does
warm vortex
MYTHIC
limber lion
If you time it right
gloomy heart
everytime i vanish my wa disappears ugh
coral ibex
gzgzgz
novel star
Tbh all bosses in NW are ass
well yea but they’re just bad
jade abyss
And it does
i have to use it close before the attack is done ?
novel star
not use evasion for magic damage bad
limber lion
i have to use it close before the attack is done ?
Yes, less than 1s
manic forge
In AoE do we completely play around sanguine blades and never drop below 50% unless in some CD window?
coral ibex
i have to use it close before the attack is done ?
within 1s of the cast
the first second of cloak is a true immunity
limber lion
In AoE do we completely play around sanguine blades and never drop below 50% unl...
We never play around Sang blades
spice surge
In aoe you shouldnt be able to drop below 50% even if you try
novel star
In AoE do we completely play around sanguine blades and never drop below 50% unl...
no in aoe sanguine is just passive
what eleem said
spice surge
If you play the spec like its supposed to sanguine is not something you have to pay attention to
novel star
aoe gameplay is mashing envenom
manic forge
ye ye fair, so blades is just a passive bonus when on high energy?
limber lion
Yes
novel star
once all ur shit is ticking
next laurel
everytime i vanish my wa disappears ugh
Go to the “load” section in your WA and make sure it’s not set to combat only.
novel star
next laurel
Look at all the conditions. There may be one that says “in combat”
warm vortex
Ok someone bid more
on the daggewr with thier poitsn as a jkoke
but traded me it
so i happy
gloomy heart
Look at all the conditions. There may be one that says “in combat”
is it not the first one in the pic
next laurel
is it not the first one in the pic
That was the easiest option. But that’s not clicked. So there will be conditions to which a wa will load. You’ll need to look at them to see if one says “in combat” I’d record a video for you but I’m not able to get on my pc right now
void sonnet
can somebody explain the nuance in shadowmelding?? why does it hate me sometimes
jade abyss
ok last sec worked ty guys love you
gloomy heart
That was the easiest option. But that’s not clicked. So there will be conditions...
I checked each one and all 3 arent checked for that
molten flicker
master assassin is 6
master assassin has 6 sec duration by itself, if u have 1 point in subterfuge it has 9 sec and with 2 points in subterfuge it has 12 sec.
novel star
legit lol
molten flicker
just correcting you saying ma is 6 sec
novel star
but
warm vortex
Btw
novel star
i’m not incorrect
next laurel
I checked each one and all 3 arent checked for that
Under the conditions tab right ? If so idk without being able to see it myself lol.
novel star
..?
molten flicker
no, it was not incorrect but you omitted relevant information
novel star
enchants?
molten flicker
you don't have to be upset about it
low wedge
So im trying to set a wakaura that 1) shows Deathstalker mark with amount of charges on target, 2) if all of them are consumed i get darkest knight buff icon in the same spot 3) if i target b while i have mark on target a the icon gets grayed out. i have managed 1 and 2 but how do i make 3? Any help appriciated
gloomy heart
Under the conditions tab right ? If so idk without being able to see it myself l...
Yeah idk whats wrong with it, maybe bc i did it on a training dummy
Also when i vanish for MA with kingsbane i dont need to stay in vanish bc of subter right?
novel star
you don't have to be upset about it
whatever u say brotha
novel star
Also when i vanish for MA with kingsbane i dont need to stay in vanish bc of sub...
you don’t need to stay in vanish regardless
rain wraith
im kinda fucking with fatebound on pure ST fights
got like 3.5-4m starters on kyveza
novel star
ma is infinite in stealth and the 6s duration starts after breaking
gloomy heart
you don’t need to stay in vanish regardless
Yeah thats what i figured
charred helm
ma is infinite in stealth and the 6s duration starts after breaking
so.. youre saying we bleed > vanish > afk?
warm vortex
Like idk
apparently its not a good idea to replace a 626 crit/mast wep with a 639 crit/vers weapon
novel star
why would you apply the crit chance to a whole bunch of nothing
warm vortex
why would you apply the crit chance to a whole bunch of nothing
Intimidation
spice spire
Like idk
apparently its not a good idea to replace a 626 crit/mast wep with a 63...
Link sim
warm vortex
Oh hold on wait
i closed it gimmie a mo
maybe i was reading it wrong
Ill resim while we fight
doing myth sikran
coral ibex
there's literally no way 13ilvl on mh is a dps loss
warm vortex
and i had hero
on offhand
yea i know
i was confused
and i was thinking it was wrong
unkempt scaffold
Is there a better neck than Sikran myth?
coral ibex
the proc is pretty good but isnt a dps gain so maybe another 639 neck will sim better for you
oh it does give you vers too
spice spire
Is there a better neck than Sikran myth?
in m+ many, pending profile
in raid probably not
novel star
i would not equip any other neck on sin Personally cause afaik the mana proc is actually pretty relevant for healers
warm vortex
Ok i was high i was simming without the enchant
novel star
and stats are fake anyway
spice spire
novel star
Ok i was high i was simming without the enchant
Yea
spice spire
we found the line boys
coral ibex
extremely large aura
spice spire
i would not equip any other neck on sin Personally cause afaik the mana proc is ...
I personally hate healers
warm vortex
Radiant power is better if i play a mix of m+ and raid right
warm vortex
Lmao cheers X)
novel star
Radiant power is better if i play a mix of m+ and raid right
yes
near apex
!tea
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depths in aoe is a lot worse than radiant in st
coral ibex
power is better if you literally ever hit more than 1 target
novel star
so radiant is just better overall
coral ibex
W loot
warm vortex
One of our warriors is a chad
molten flicker
aren't all warriors
coral ibex
everything about you is an anomaly
you didnt play with wa for so long, your guild uses dkp
warm vortex
Yea i need to be studdied
spice spire
dkp
coral ibex
next you'll say you're mouse left handed
novel star
dkp is crazy
but
a guild with dkp and otherwise good vibes is still better than one with crusty people in it
pure moth
Bid more dkp than me on the dagger (im the only rogue)
They wouldn't have awarded it to a warrior if you needed it. Even when using point system.
coral ibex
ill be honest if some asshole outbid me with dkp on my bis just to troll i'd crash out like no other
there would be twitlongers about me
warm vortex
extremely large aura
Also full mog cause why not
molten flicker
guys, please correct me if I'm wrong but surely there is no way to reapply deathstalker's mark if it drops during a bossfight?
molten flicker
that hasn't worked for me for the whole of the expansion
novel star
ye it’s just vanish ambush
coral ibex
novel star
if you vanish early maybe stealth breaks and you get a mut instead
or ambush slow
or both
coral ibex
if you dont run subterfuge, you have to ambush out of stealth
novel star
but just don’t
coral ibex
you can't press another button first
calm grail
Will garrote still AOE silence without iron wire?
hard sparrow
Also full mog cause why not
based goblin gal gamer
novel star
Will garrote still AOE silence without iron wire?
no
coral ibex
Will garrote still AOE silence without iron wire?
no
warm vortex
Also how far behind is fatebound in ST
novel star
it’s ahead for a lot of people atm
hard sparrow
i thought fatebound was ahead
novel star
ye
warm vortex
Oh damn ok i need to play it instead then
novel star
warm vortex
For pure st?
novel star
yeh
primal oasis
leaving after 1 wipe seems to be meta this expansion
don't remember it ever being this bad
molten flicker
ye I'm aware, which is why I've been trying to reapply it through just that
I'll come back with logs if it keeps failing :d
thanks!
hard sparrow
leaving after 1 wipe seems to be meta this expansion
wipe at 1st pull/boss prob means there's more mistakes to come, so a lot just leave to not waste time
novel star
yea
warm vortex
cause i rmeember someone saying macro it to ev
novel star
changed edge case
warm vortex
alright got you
primal oasis
wipe at 1st pull/boss prob means there's more mistakes to come, so a lot just le...
Yeah but like I just started the m+ season so I'm doing 2-5 keys atm. I don't even remember failing a single +2 in the past but now I can barely finish one without people leaving
novel star
it used to be macro to envenom
primal oasis
Feels like blizz really butchered m+ with the changes this expansion
novel star
technically still is i think
coral ibex
yea m+ is tough this season
novel star
but it’s really whatever
primal oasis
I don't even feel like it's tough, people are just insufferable
novel star
the point of macroing cb is to make it a passive and kb macro achieves that better
hard sparrow
ok wow... i only had that happen in 10s-12s for me
novel star
and i macro CB to KB
Ye
primal oasis
yeah at that key range it's fine, I'm used to it happening in like 20's in the past
but in gearing dungeons it's just cringe
hard sparrow
yea definitely
spice spire
@royal python can confirm happens in dungeons
spice spire
going to see if it's ctw or mod
warm vortex
minus forcing a 7 cp finish for DN
novel star
Yea
warm vortex
Aight
carmine moth
!wa
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hard sparrow
Also full mog cause why not
what's that chest skin btw?
spring stream
is twin fang instruments trash?
raven panther
On rasharan Mythic, caustic spatter doesn't deal damage from boss to add right ?
you have to apply on an add then damage the add
warm vortex
what's that chest skin btw?
Green
novel star
On rasharan Mythic, caustic spatter doesn't deal damage from boss to add right ?
it does if your raid consistently places them right under the boss
hard sparrow
ty :>
warm vortex
One of the only good shirt mogs imo
novel star
if your raid does not do that
coral ibex
On rasharan Mythic, caustic spatter doesn't deal damage from boss to add right ?
rashanan's caustic spatter hitbox is tiny, the adds have to be dropped directly under her asshole on the ledge
novel star
don’t take spatter
warm vortex
sadly (or a benefit for most people) is it has cleavage
royal lantern
Also full mog cause why not
coral ibex
if they dont get dropped there, abandon all hope of spatter damage
you will get literally 0 damage
novel star
if your raid doesn’t place the adds well consistently
coral ibex
see if you get any damage
novel star
your spatter will do 0
novel star
it’s a strat dependent talent
rain wraith
22 flips
coral ibex
top guilds will give their rogues good caustic spatter uptime
novel star
coral ibex
meh guild will say bro just hit the boss who cares
source: my guild
0 spatter uptime
they dont give a fuck
the fury gets to turbo parse tho
novel star
my guild has the correct strats but doesn’t enforce them well enough
coral ibex
full cds on every add spawn bc they drop them at the front of her target circle
novel star
so it’s like 75% of the time spatter value
subtle tundra
top guilds will give their rogues good caustic spatter uptime
nope they wont
strange python
/wa
novel star
other 25% my ranged are lazy
subtle tundra
top guilds dont give a shit
coral ibex
oh ok i guess all the rogues getting good spatter uptime are getting it purely by chance
coral ibex
i know, he's erm actuallying me for no reason
novel star
they kill in 1 pull with easy strats anyway
quasi stump
novel star
difference between top guilds and top parses tho
especially when it comes to adds
regardless of strat
see ovinax
coral ibex
my point is people need to cater to your weird cleave bullshit to get caustic uptime
novel star
cant pad if ur whole raid has hands and does add dam
novel star
my point is people need to cater to your weird cleave bullshit to get caustic up...
Ye
tru
coral ibex
and worse guilds are less likely to do so bc they need more focus on the actual fight
novel star
just loops around
bad guilds don’t give a fuck cause they suck
good guilds care
great guilds don’t give a fuck cause the boss sucks
warm vortex
Alright first time trying fatebound ST :D
coral ibex
warm vortex
also, if the neck from sikran drops i wanna see how much people bid on it lmao
idk if i will cause i still need my queen ring
coral ibex
i dont like fb because it just feels like i'm missing my hero talents 
coral ibex
idk if i will cause i still need my queen ring
i would definitely go for the heroic ansurek ring angle with ur dkp
warm vortex
i dont like fb because it just feels like i'm missing my hero talents <:Deadge:9...
Tbh sometimes rogue talents feel like that
DS kinda feels like a single talent for me
Yea yea
We havent seen it drop once tho
which is funny
twin bay
dkp what timeline is this xdd
novel star
are there still people holding all their dkp for it
coral ibex
this is why i spam queen pugs during the week
royal lantern
dkp and the very rare system work really badly together imo
dkp and common sense work badly togheter
like
what mother of 2004 shit is that
coral ibex
chance at a wue drop or i just pay someone if they get it
royal lantern
novel star
dkp what timeline is this xdd
Idk this person found a time traveller guild
warm vortex
this is why i spam queen pugs during the week
I try but people mess it up
coral ibex
nah ur very true
twin bay
its the worst lootsystem imaginable
coral ibex
im quick to leave shitter groups
warm vortex
Meh i still like using it tbh
novel star
dkp and common sense work badly togheter
yeah
coral ibex
no reason to stay
twin bay
id rather get my loot ninjalooted by the gm
limber coral
Any tips on what a decent stat spread should look like? example would be say myself for instance 28% crit and 55% Mastery ithout buffs or anything.
coral ibex
i think if you're in a guild you should just have a loot order for all pieces for your raiders
fallow canopy
Any tips on what a decent stat spread should look like? example would be say mys...
!stats
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
novel star
don’t need to vc or anything just be greedy about only inviting good players
coral ibex
there's no reason to cause strife over rolls
novel star
and then ur vibing
dense cloud
can dark iron dwarf use the anvil in stonevault?
twin bay
im so glad im not in this ego driven circle of players anymore. i cant imagine id still play if i had to deal with loot drama lol
limber coral
any guides on how to properly sim for top gear/droptimizer?
coral ibex
what do you mean
you just export your guy with the addon in game
choose patchwerk or dungeon slice
limber coral
yes I get that but I mean how do I go about seeing what is best to look for gear wise? just pick an choose combinations or will it just tell me what to look for?
snow kindle
Yup
dense cloud
can dark iron dwarf use the anvil in stonevault?
no one knows im guessing?xd
coral ibex
well it sees your bags so you have to choose which items in your bags you want to compare to your equipment
twin bay
number bigger you equip it
coral ibex
or you choose a dungeon/raid and compare the drops to your equipment
warm vortex
Yea wiped at 43% and only did 1.05Mil dps
twin bay
apply bell curve meme here
warm vortex
compared to me doing like
0.1 Mil more last time for dps
Ik it's low but still >:(
Ill try again
i did get shafted and get a charge in my KB so it was prolly that
twin bay
i did get shafted and get a charge in my KB so it was prolly that
we hate that
twin bay
xdd
twin bay
drop the "bro dou you even know how my class works" after you get flamed
novel star
50 dkp minus
warm vortex
But yea gonna try FB again
novel star
you would take it for boss damage
but you also shouldn’t
because they’re often spread + intermissions
novel star
gamade amp
twin bay
^^
warm vortex
I think i might go back to DS
twin bay
bad add dmg comes from bad add control 99% of the time
warm vortex
i feel likei did more damage wi it personally
snow kindle
CT ass on court unless you have the worst comp imaginable
twin bay
since you kill the boss in its dmg amps all the focus should be on execution of the fight itself.
have everyone thats able to use stuns, grips, rings or whatever to keep the adds under the boss
royal lantern
what do you need
quiet oar
i have no stelaht bar
twin bay
ambush in stealth bar muti outside. when it proccs it replaces itself
thats a huh from me
warm vortex
how
warm vortex
Wouldent getting a stealth bar just fix this however?
Just have it the same as your normal bar and replace mutil with ambush on it?
twin bay
my stealth bar mirrors the other bar with just the typical spells
quiet oar
Wouldent getting a stealth bar just fix this however?
I dont want that
twin bay
so i dont see any issue in having one
quiet oar
I jsut deleted my macro accidentally
novel star
twin bay
got deleted because not needed anymore
quiet oar
spells
twin bay
when not using a stealthbar you either need two hotkeys or that macro
but its such a odd problem to have
novel star
bonusbar:1 is the stealth bar though isn’t it 
whatever i don’t understand macros or care
warm vortex
Yea exactly
quiet oar
bonusbar:1 is the stealth bar though isn’t it <:Hmmge:965039479284981770>
Yes
I dopnt use bar swap
scarlet orbit
if i play with cb i just macro it into kingsbane?
quiet oar
i should have clarified
novel star
warm vortex
It's like making holes in a pan because you want a sieve but don't wanna use a sieve
quiet oar
!?
quiet oar
Ye
novel star
changing shiv to the shiv tea macro took twice as long
quiet oar
and Bar swap delay
novel star
with a stealth bar
novel star
swap delay thing i think is hard cope
quiet oar
and thats why i changed that
novel star
maybe outlaw memes idk
quiet oar
It was
novel star
but not a relevant thing to us
quiet oar
a problem
novel star
outlaw apm moment
twin bay
ok lil bro
novel star
hate typing on mobile discord
quiet oar
Oli buddying me here
twin bay
xdd
quiet oar
Buddyzoned
novel star
i’m sorry man
twin bay
😄
quiet oar
warm vortex
Whats the highest kingsbane people have hit here
just curious
gusty mirage
Buddyzoned
ily
frank axle
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of course
maiden sierra
@balmy condor have you progged mythic council yet? and if so do you have a specific talent build for them?
kinda unprepered after killing princes lol
balmy condor
I haven’t, I’m probably going in with ovi’nax talents and then ramping it back from there
maiden sierra
makes sense
warm vortex
Missed the answer but is crimson aoe bleed worth it in st?
If you mean crimson tempest, you shouldent be running it in ST
unless you mean m+ st
iirc you don't
quiet oar
I haven’t, I’m probably going in with ovi’nax talents and then ramping it back f...
So you play Court with Crimson tempest?
balmy condor
So you play Court with Crimson tempest?
Yeh it’s 2 target
balmy condor
Missed the answer but is crimson aoe bleed worth it in st?
No
quiet oar
They should