assassination

[subtle tundra]

my ele shaman talks about his builds all the time

[bleak spoke]

well that's the shiny new car smell with the rework right

like

about a month ago

they were pressing lightning bolt for 75% of available globals

[subtle tundra]

its cool cause we are 2 losers 1 tricks that finally have good tuning in m+

[bleak spoke]

[subtle tundra]

so we play together

[bleak spoke]

kinda pog

make that io zoom zoom

[balmy condor]

sometimes I wish things didn't matter in a way that the sim could be simplified instead of having a spec that a monkey could play blindfolded and then opening the APL and seeing just a waterfall of shit

[subtle tundra]

im just having fun!

but our dps is also really good cause we are 1 tricks playing together

[balmy condor]

feels like every time I try to rip parts out and simplify the APL I'm pulling a block out of a jenga tower and no matter what I do I mysteriously lose like 0.4% from god knows where

[subtle tundra]

we timed 14 dawnbreaker with 17 deaths, 3 whole wipes

LOL

[bleak spoke]

yeh playing high keys is a good time inherently imo, and a lot of the fun is playing with ppl who know their class super well you learn things about how to deal with mechanics that are really novel as well

[bleak spoke]

curse you lethal dose!

[balmy condor]

like this is the newest thing

legit all I did for that -0.4%

is put tea and vanish off gcd

that's it

only change

and then it was -0.4%

[bleak spoke]

rofl

[opaque sigil]

kekw

[balmy condor]

and I had to go figure out why the fuck

and recover it

[bleak spoke]

i guess it covers a global less with tea

[balmy condor]

it's so miserable

[bleak spoke]

is the only thing i can imagine

like assuming you global on shiv with tea right

[drifting basin]

i see a lot of people play subterfuge in m+ (with 2x vanish even) but don't take Master assasin; i thought subterfuge was good because of MA? am I wrong?

any knowers

[bleak spoke]

like if you offgcd then the possible? env at the very end

might not be buffed? idk

[balmy condor]

those people are strange

[bleak spoke]

that's the only thing i can think of

[bleak spoke]

that seems completely incorrect

i played some subterfuge with wat and MA was like the first thing i thought to take

dude it's so nice in grim batol btw, being able to just garrote the 3 mooks in front of the dragon

and walk to the drag and ambush him

damn it feels so good to have subterfuge

LOL

[drifting basin]

i love subterfuge, but also thought that MA is basically mandatory if you play subterfuge

[balmy condor]

yeah so this is actually a funny thing cause if I gave you 30 guesses you would not guess what the change is that recovered the loss

[drifting basin]

but yeah, good to know im not the one who's cooked

[bleak spoke]

oh no

explainge

[opaque sigil]

people playing subterfuge with no MA are essentially “doing shit for sake of doing shit”
they are like “there’s a biggest upgrade to whole subterfuge talent and I wont play around it”

[balmy condor]

so like !buff.thistle_tea.up&(dot.kingsbane.ticking|debuff.shiv.remains>=4) this right

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[balmy condor]

you just

[subtle tundra]

our class is strong and all of our talents are close to power so it just ends up being a whatever mess of talent choices

[balmy condor]

!buff.thistle_tea.up&debuff.shiv.remains>=4

like you just

cut the kingsbane

think about what that does

think about it

internalize

[subtle tundra]

nothing

[balmy condor]

you figure it out?

[bleak spoke]

no my brain is too small and my adhd is ruining me

umm

[balmy condor]

it fully macros tea to shiv

[bleak spoke]

okay

i was like

it is gonna be something crazy

[novel star]

Based

[bleak spoke]

but that was almost too obvious

[balmy condor]

yeah sims are truly incredible

[novel star]

god is good

[bleak spoke]

actual hashtag just do it

[balmy condor]

shit sucks man

I hate this spec

[subtle tundra]

bring back talent rows! ! ! !

[bleak spoke]

i was talking to the guildiies and i was like

my hot take

is that we get mop talents back in 3 years

[balmy condor]

I mean lowkey

I'm starting to agree

there's too many mfers that see that more than 1 build is viable and their fucking brains explode

it's a ton of work for blizzard

it's a ton of work for TC's

literally no one is winning in this

[bleak spoke]

but also it's like there's a ton of stuff that actually bloats classes imo

[drifting basin]

except the players

xd

[balmy condor]

they aren't winning at all though

[drifting basin]

really? i think its fun that there are multiple builds available that i can choose between depending on key/content

[bleak spoke]

everyone feels like their talent tree is like 1 point from being incrazyable

[subtle tundra]

they need to lean into making talents to synergise.
make the bleed build strong by going full bleed talents
make the poison build strong by going full poison talents

[frigid niche]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[bleak spoke]

it's just so edgetastic

[drifting basin]

and not only be like "oh i use this in aoe, i use this in ST" like mop talent were

[subtle tundra]

you shouldnt be able to take CT+IC+Caustic+KB

[agile fossil]

do we rly chose that much tho , we swap like 1-3 talent max , everything else is the same

[balmy condor]

the #1 feedback I get on my guide is "there's 3 m+ builds can't you just put one", followed closely by "why does the recommended m+ build not have"

[subtle tundra]

or if you do, they should not be as strong individually

[bleak spoke]

lmao

[drifting basin]

well yeah obviously thats a skill issue, but complexity is still FUN

[bleak spoke]

i do think so as well, but as we were discussing, i would like those complex moving parts to have impact to how we played

[balmy condor]

I have fatebound m+ talents supported in the guides just for completion sake and we still get the odd "why would he put fatebound in if it's worse that's baiting"

so like

[bleak spoke]

like the sim should not do the same dmg optimzing for 4 different things

[peak gull]

How often are you guys reapplying bleeds on aoe packs? After your aoe bleeds from stealth breaking start to expire

[warm vortex]

Have some dude not running splatter

[drifting basin]

yeah being the guide-writer is probably giga frustrating

[warm vortex]

saying "He has been playing for years without it and prefers playing without it"
like

huh??

Tf is he on

[subtle tundra]

Zoldyck should be choice node -> either bleed or poison
CT + SOB + SD
OR
IC + CAUSTIC + KB

[drifting basin]

but i still feel like for the vast majority of players, talents are FUN

[subtle tundra]

make the talent tree binary!

[bleak spoke]

i try not to let my ruptures drop ever basically

[solar lynx]

The sureki zealot insignia any good?

[little tulip]

yeeeees

[bleak spoke]

wait that's actually a good cook

[peak gull]

what about garrotes?

[bleak spoke]

make it more aggressive but have it only work on bleeds or poisons

[bleak spoke]

i only garrote my main target after the stealth garrotes run out

but even that might be wrong

[peak gull]

Bet thank you

[bleak spoke]

i just assume it's good

[warm vortex]

Still cantr getr over someone not running splatter cause they dont fint it fun

like thats literally the biggest damage you have in m+

[subtle tundra]

i dont like it

but its troll to not take

[molten flicker]

I keep garrotes and ruptures up whenever things won't die soon (tm)

[bleak spoke]

i don't like the activation conditional either

but like

it is very very very powerful

[peak gull]

also do you pool on single target like right off the bat or is that after your cooldown window or how does that work

[solar lynx]

already simmed it it's 63k dps loss, asking about the effect

[subtle tundra]

you need caustic cause IC exists

[molten flicker]

the effect is good

[bleak spoke]

i woudln't say the effect is essential

but it is generally good

[subtle tundra]

its "bad" in m+

cause it has bad stats for aoe

[balmy condor]

the effect is simmed btw

[sharp crag]

how do you guys deal with the heal absorb mechanic

in m+

[royal lantern]

not at all cus you cant?

[balmy condor]

call the healer a slur

[royal lantern]

paladin?

[sharp crag]

you can cloak it

[subtle tundra]

fucking 1 trick

[royal lantern]

throw out ylur main deffensive??

bruh

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1101131877290606712/E9BA9118-4AB4-483C-83A0-1E45FFD314C0.gif

[royal lantern]

you need that to survive boss mechanics lol

[bleak spoke]

dronk hp potion

[dawn heath]

call them a vegan

[royal lantern]

you see

i dont count druids as humans

[royal lantern]

back to reddit with you

2013 ass take

[bleak spoke]

i really don't like discrimination against our druish breathren

[dawn heath]

💀

found the leaf enjoyer

[sharp crag]

i usually just cloak and mushroom it

[bleak spoke]

(but actually there is not a healing spec that deserves human rights)

[subtle tundra]

you fucking mushroom it?

[lavish geyser]

@dawn heath gave up on dh?

[subtle tundra]

what the fucking is a mushroom

[bleak spoke]

i think he means dip into efflo

but like

omegalul

[subtle tundra]

?!?

[dawn heath]

ye guess so

[royal lantern]

mate, its literally a healer mechanic

[dawn heath]

only doinng few weeklies on it here and ther

[subtle tundra]

i only go into efflo when theres a mechanic on me

[sharp crag]

this item from tbc removes the absorb enjoy

[balmy condor]

if you dip your dick in paint and then slap it on a canvas is looks like a mushroom, maybe that has something to do with it

[subtle tundra]

otherwise i stay outside

[bleak spoke]

oh

[vernal snow]

What can I do to not be insulted from pugs while doing Higher Keys (13/14) for my extraordinary bad Boss DMG without Aug in group?

[bleak spoke]

actually mushroom it

MAYUN

[subtle tundra]

AHHAHAHA

[bleak spoke]

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[copper hazel]

legit on shrooms

[bleak spoke]

NO SHOT/COMPLETELY EXPECTED

[lavish geyser]

Same, got to 2700 and just dipped, leveled and played the char for 2 weeks and gave up on it XD

[balmy condor]

nice m+ brainrot

[subtle tundra]

IM MUSHROOM IT

[sharp crag]

please credit me when it goes viral ok

[bleak spoke]

that's BRAZY

l0l

[balmy condor]

I hate this community

[royal lantern]

why should it go viral

[bleak spoke]

someone report it please

[royal lantern]

those affixes dont exist in serious keys lol

[subtle tundra]

i usually just step into a 12 when i get the affix and it just removes it

[bleak spoke]

^i mean yeah but it's so fried

[dawn heath]

no one cares about 11 keys

its just weekly keys for vault

[royal lantern]

*no one cares about keys

[sharp crag]

i just think being able to remove the mechanic entirely on your own is nice

[bleak spoke]

tbh yeah but it's still funny

[hollow river]

[lavish geyser]

Eveything just dies instantly 11s is rly basically 10s

[bleak spoke]

i wouldn't be discouraged this tech owns (but do report it)

thats fried

[sharp crag]

it removes any poison effect i think they forgot to curbstomp this item when they made all the consumes useless

[bleak spoke]

when they got rid of faps and stuff i guess

they didn't think of this or soemthing

[balmy condor]

I don't think people running 11's are gonna be bothered to run back to an expac from over a decade ago for a 2 min cleanse consumable to use once every 4 weeks to be fair

[royal lantern]

did an+10 with 2rat alt paladins from guildmates

they out dps me on trash with ilvl 612 cus the double ret burst Killed stuff before i could even press mutilate for spatter

[bleak spoke]

that's why you have to tricks them

insetad of the tank

🙂

[sharp crag]

i duo mythics with a resto druid and we are still trying to gear so it helps alot

also all the people in 7s dont use their stuff ever

shaman has poison cleanse totem but never drops it

[subtle tundra]

where do you get the mushroom

from

i need for city of threads

and uh

arakara

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah so what makes you think they'd mushroom

[royal lantern]

mate, they dispell it

[subtle tundra]

rogue mushroom

[royal lantern]

not heal it

[bleak spoke]

tbh i think you open g r ct muti kb and just start banging like there's no way

[royal lantern]

lol

[bleak spoke]

you knwo what i'm sayin'

[royal lantern]

you think i give a single fuck about minmaxing meme+ dmg

espacialy in alt runs

[bleak spoke]

i mean

[sharp crag]

portal to shatrah city, set dungeon to heroic and go into heroic underbog > kill everything and hit honored with mushroom people > get like 100 glowcap off the AH > turn it into shrooms in sporeggar in zangarmarsh

[bleak spoke]

it's the fun in playin for me personally

[balmy condor]

holy brainrot

[bleak spoke]

i'm retired as fuck, still gotta flex on the homies sometimes

[balmy condor]

that's like 6 steps too many

[bleak spoke]

underbog is CRAZY

[copper hazel]

lost me at portal to shat

[lavish geyser]

Dude that is the thing like you can barely get splatter off vefore everything dies

[timber coyote]

hey, looking for some guidance - ive been seeing a lot of mixed info on Twist the Knife.
It sims much higher than not taking is, but it havent seen it recommended on any guides (or maybe i just cant read..)
My focus is M+

[royal lantern]

how2deal with the affix

the group gets it->everyone with a dispell presses dispell, the healer presses theit dispell on the remaining one when its ready again

the end

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[balmy condor]

it's an option you can take if you'd like

it's also an option you can not take if you don't like

[subtle tundra]

time to farm sporegarr...

[balmy condor]

varas no

[pastel onyx]

lfg to farm sporegarr

[sharp crag]

you can buy them item directly off the AH but its way more expensive

[balmy condor]

I'm putting you down varas

this is too far even for you

[oak eagle]

varas needs to stop

[subtle tundra]

bro the mini boss in CoT

[copper hazel]

LF sporegarr farm - must have 2.8k, BL, Bres, Jaina Curve

[subtle tundra]

before you go into the building

[oak eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-fed-up-done-upset-angry-gif-15272547

[subtle tundra]

Cloak -> shroom -> eva + feint

[balmy condor]

no shot it works on that

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt know

i need to try

[timber coyote]

ty! whats a good alternative to it? is it only iron wire?
also are the sims just inflated if its an option?

[balmy condor]

keep yourself safe varas

[oak eagle]

which trink is sporegarr

[balmy condor]

idk what you're simming to make it so incredible, but you would drop sudden demise for it generally

[timber coyote]

what should i change?

[desert cove]

run nightly build, more accurate

[royal lantern]

put its 1pm

[balmy condor]

I mean that should be latest but that doesn't do anything for this situation

[royal lantern]

can i still sim nightly?

[balmy condor]

I just don't know what comparison is being made

[desert cove]

bro there's no way you're trolling me at 3:40am

[bleak spoke]

it's ackshually 6:34 am

[desert cove]

bruh

[balmy condor]

I honestly thought they removed nightly for a while

cause latest exists and I just never swap

[bleak spoke]

^

[balmy condor]

but then I saw weekly and I was like yeah there's no way that stays

[cunning needle]

wait what happens if i sim nightly during the day

[balmy condor]

raidbots explodes

[cunning needle]

shiet

[oak eagle]

oh did nightly get fixed?

err

latest

[balmy condor]

what was wrong wtih it

[oak eagle]

didnt the apl get screwed when the .5 patch dropped?

[balmy condor]

oh sure

latest didn't work for like

45 minutes

[oak eagle]

oh was i just that unlucky

that i simmed in that 45 minutes

where it was showing me at 300k

[sharp crag]

does bubbling wax only apply from 1 weapon?

[balmy condor]

yes

[royal lantern]

ye

[sharp crag]

why tho

[balmy condor]

same reason your fucking mushrooms exist man

who knows

[sharp crag]

do not insult the mushroom tech

[cunning needle]

???

[sharp crag]

its based and redpilled

[cunning needle]

whats this mushroom tech

[balmy condor]

oh sorry

I didn't mean to insult the mushrooms

I meant to insult m+ players

that's on me

[royal lantern]

dont

[sharp crag]

life is hard on US servers

[cunning needle]

i want to know this tech

[sharp crag]

pablo from area52 refuses to cleanse his debuff

[balmy condor]

find it yourself man it's like not even 20 minutes old

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/boner-hard-on-mushroom-growing-morning-wood-gif-16786445

[cunning needle]

thanks

im raiding havent been paying attention to chat

[royal lantern]

bro is raiding at 1Pm lmao

[subtle tundra]

the honered one

[cunning needle]

holy shit

[royal lantern]

fake

[cunning needle]

this tech is amazing

[balmy condor]

I'm going to bed

I give up

[subtle tundra]

cant a guy just get a muhsroom

[cunning needle]

@sharp crag blessed mushroom

[balmy condor]

give a man a fish, he will eat for a day

[royal lantern]

give a man a mushroom and they turn into a m+ player

[balmy condor]

teach a man to fish and he will log into m+ queue and farm a rep from 15 years ago

amen

[subtle tundra]

give a man m+, he will farm mushroom

cant have fun man...

[balmy condor]

by far the most mentally ill community in all of gaming

jesus fuck

[royal lantern]

dont forget that the affixes dont exist in +12 keys anymore

[balmy condor]

may you find peace

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

It’s far worse than that, varas is trusting that the guy isn’t jebaiting giga hard on it clearing the affix, then thought to himself “well if it works on that, it’ll work on something else maybe idk”, and then stormed off to maybe get perhaps something that might work

[subtle tundra]

im watching f1 quali and there has been 3 red flags

what am i supposed to do

[balmy condor]

And then blizzard will know immediately cause they have tracking for these things

[subtle tundra]

not farm rep?

[balmy condor]

And it’ll get obliterated

And then he’ll cry

[royal lantern]

good

m+ "players" dont deserve anything good

[subtle tundra]

m+ gamers

[royal lantern]

they lost that right years ago

[bleak spoke]

why am i being flamed here

[strange python]

yo, can some1 explain why in this sim haste sim better then other gem stats? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oMYqRkem1P4hxdYckj9VY5

[subtle tundra]

cause its better

.2%

[strange python]

💀

[subtle tundra]

what type of answer do you want

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/Veksgeh.png

[subtle tundra]

cause you have higher ilvl weapon in off hand

you fucking

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/bosjG97.png

[strange python]

XDDD\

[strange python]

my bad

[bleak spoke]

HUH

oh

varas saw first

[subtle tundra]

-> sims gems for .2% upgrade, has low ilvl weapon in mh

[royal lantern]

like a true wow gamer

[bleak spoke]

it's a lot less than .2

[final star]

should use all diff colour gems to be kind to binding of binding users as well

[bleak spoke]

650dps is 0.05 that's margin of error

[ripe orbit]

out of curiosity, does it matter which hand your ascendance is in?

[cunning needle]

3rd hand

[balmy condor]

I feel like sims should be smart enough to just automatically swap your daggers if you’re dumb enough to put a lower ilvl in your main hand

Or like

[subtle tundra]

but idk i just farmed mushroom

[bleak spoke]

warn you yeah

[balmy condor]

At least giant blaring alarms

[cunning needle]

ideally your OH so you can use a 639 MH

[bleak spoke]

holy if we had a 3rd hand that would be crazy

[subtle tundra]

they stack to 5...

[balmy condor]

We have 3 legs why not

[bleak spoke]

stand up for whispyr, lads

[balmy condor]

Bro I have a pimple in the same spot am I cooked

[final star]

🤭

[bleak spoke]

MAYUN

HE REALLY DIDDY'D IT

[little tulip]

nope i got a money photo

hold on

[balmy condor]

Stack to 5 is crazy

[bleak spoke]

I HATE THIS PARTY AHHHHH

yeh

idek

the worst part is

[bleak spoke]

that mgiht be good in city of threads or ara kara

in a real key

[balmy condor]

If it even fucking works bro

We have no idea he’s just sending it for fun

[little tulip]

im glad u did 1.1 million in a 9 buddy

[bleak spoke]

why are we playing bolt instead of drain soul in a key

that's crazy

[subtle tundra]

thats as good as ive had in 13

from some SP

[little tulip]

dude the game's winning

fuck

[bleak spoke]

we really want to stack our shadow embrace like 4x slower

that is CRAZY

[balmy condor]

You’re in assa discord talking about crazy

Pot calling the kettle a pot

[bleak spoke]

IT'S SO POT

[balmy condor]

I hate you

[subtle tundra]

? what pot
is it like the mushroom?
maybe for bleeds

[bleak spoke]

[balmy condor]

Someone showed up today with skardyns+transmitter and I threw up

[bleak spoke]

i'm so sorry

[subtle tundra]

what rep

[bleak spoke]

i didn't mean to do it

[balmy condor]

Honored with mental asylum

[sharp crag]

just sim it bro

[subtle tundra]

bro

another red flag

i have time to farm another rep

[balmy condor]

Okay commie

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/H4c9o7Q.png dude what it's actually not THAT bad like sure this is weeklies with the boys but

mayun

1.1 is egregious

[balmy condor]

Siri is this written by ai

Bro does not have a vocabulary like that

[thin plinth]

hello, what is the name of the embelishment which doubles the effect of the other ?

[sharp crag]

nerubian?

[balmy condor]

Writhing band

[thin plinth]

ty

[bleak spoke]

bro i am literally a professional writer

[subtle tundra]

nice emoji

did you shit it out

[bleak spoke]

yes

[balmy condor]

And I’m a professional lefter what’s your point

[bleak spoke]

IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO WRITES IT'S ABOUT WHO'S LEFT

[cunning needle]

i'm a professional leftist what's your point

[balmy condor]

You feelin the Bern?

[cunning needle]

he still has a chance

[bleak spoke]

LOL

[pine dew]

Does it make Sense to have a mutulate/ambush macro?

[balmy condor]

That’s the cope of a true leftist sorry I was unfamiliar with your game

[balmy condor]

No why would you need that

[cunning needle]

like i said, i'm a professional

[vernal snow]

Blizzard just announced that they fixed the mushroom stuff @subtle tundra

[subtle tundra]

ok

youre so mad

[balmy condor]

Real actually my name is Bobthany Blizzardo

I said those things

They’re true

[vernal snow]

I mean this looks legit tbh. Seems u put all that effort to waste mate...

[subtle tundra]

thank god i have haters

playing this rn

[ashen inlet]

thats insane

[vernal snow]

I mean u can drop IW for sure when playing with shrooms. It's either shrooms or IW. Both viable rn

[balmy condor]

Based cleave enjoyer

I love raid builds in m+

[misty torrent]

When I SIM myself it says Spyglass is a DPS downgrade. Are there any hidden factors?

[balmy condor]

Probably already have a fuckassload of crit and lacking a stat on use probably isnt making it better

[misty torrent]

Hmm fair. I have 28% crit. Idk if it's alot. Guess I will hope to get Skardyn's then. See if it changes things.

Do you think it would be "worth" it to change more crit stats into HASTE?

[sharp crag]

mushroom it

[misty torrent]

Sorry, I dont know what that means 😦

[little tulip]

[sharp crag]

shroom yourself

[ornate harbor]

Anuk trinnet bis?

Trinket

[brave comet]

a +4 we were destroying

this guy pulled all the ads in the dungeon after i asked him for some time to vanish between pulls out of spite

[umbral sigil]

dude

[brisk forge]

Ok? Drama

[umbral sigil]

I thought i was being unreasonable asking the tank to give me time to vanish between pulls

stealth* not vanish

[royal lantern]

haters means you are famous and people think about you

[crude sequoia]

everyone must like me then since i’m not famous

can’t have haters

[umbral sigil]

Im at like 604 ish il and ending +4 or +5 with some heavy hitters around 7-800k. How far off the mark am I or is that about normal?

[brave comet]

at 604 you should be hitting a million + on assassination

[royal lantern]

there is no clear "you should be doing X" lol

overall dmg is allready kinda a meme

and has 2000000000000000000000000000 different factors

[pearl pecan]

Hey just about to get into m+ can someone hit me up with a build for low keys

[thin plinth]

guys is there a way to bind this stealth bar to a key ?

i cant find shit in the options

[cunning needle]

drag stealth to your bars

or make a macro

hol up

[thin plinth]

i have it on the bars, but it would be nice to bind exactly this small bar to anothery key

[cunning needle]

use bartender then

#showtooltip Stealth
/cast [nomodifier] !Stealth
/cancelaura [modifier] Stealth

[thin plinth]

👍

[brave comet]

so how do i remove the huge "youre rooted" text that blocks my visibility in city of echoes?

[fickle light]

can anyone show me on plater where caustic spatter is turning the healthbar green, i want to change it from caustic to kingsbane if thats possible

[dull prism]

You could do a sim, use dungeon slice. Its alot to think about. If tank pulls perfectly and let u stealth before packs u can do more, if tank chain pulls before u can enter stealth u do less damage. On lower keys ive noticed that tanks often chain pull because they think it will go faster but it just makes everything go slower.

[plush wasp]

good sunday to everyone! i use bubbling wax and manaoil on the weapons for m+. is the combo good or is smt better or whats the best? ty a lot

[nimble vector]

I think by default it’s Ctrl F1

[nimble vector]

I think bubbling wax isn’t good in aoe but that might be outdated info

[dull prism]

Its free tho :p

[brave pulsar]

guys theres any specific reason to my cloak not work on the spit from NW first boss?

[fallen arch]

Its physical

Use evasion instead

[primal oasis]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[brave pulsar]

bro since when nature dmg is physical

wtf blizz

[fallen arch]

Or time ur cloak so u benefit from the second of invincibility

Or ask for externals

Or use feint

Idk

[umbral sigil]

hows this working for you?

[brave pulsar]

nature dmg

[fallen arch]

Ye its kinda dumb

But it is what it is

[fallen arch]

Its cursed dont do it

[solid palm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

your first mistake i trusting WoW tooltips

[cunning needle]

you can natty dodge it btw

[nimble vector]

Evasion or first second of cloak works

[fallen arch]

Uh how

Shadowstep last second?

I wouldn’t dare

[cunning needle]

no as in

natural dodge %

[vernal snow]

Just get urself a warrior tank who will intervene every spit

Evasion is sometimes bugged with that spit tbh. So either use feint or cloak last second of cast

[fallen arch]

Just be a dk and take it on the chin ez

[oak eagle]

it be physical. its weird af, its green so you think "oh i can cloak it" but then get high enough and it one shots you, gotta press evasion and also have luck on your side for subsequent casts after that

[fallen arch]

With elusiveness ur fine feinting it though

I mean how about those last few mobs in GB

I got targeted 5x in a row yesterday by those faceless ones

At some point ur just gonna die

[ornate grotto]

!talents

[dry dagger]

Anyone mind explaining the priorities of the Raid AoE build and the Raid Council build compared to normal ST and M+ builds?

[subtle tundra]

you can cloak it

just have to cloak in the last 1 sec of the cast

[bleak spoke]

supercloak

[molten flicker]

dont get rooted

[dry dagger]

So if I've understood things correctly, in ST I don't send Garrote on my opener until I vanish if I'm not talented into Shrouded Suffocation?

[fallen arch]

Uh yes you do?

[marsh falcon]

does anyone swap gear for more haste in raid than m+?

[slate crown]

Garrote will be your second global if you are playing deathstalker, after ambush. Opening button if you are fatebound.

[dry dagger]

So does this mean that I should cast Mutilate after Garrote then?

[fallen arch]

I agree with the man that the wowhead rotstion looks confusing

[dry dagger]

Not fully sure I understand the graphic

[fallen arch]

Garrote is always there

But if u dont have ss

[slate crown]

Yes, the "If" applies to the mutilate

[fallen arch]

U wont generate as many cp for the rup

[slate crown]

Not the garrote

[fallen arch]

So u mut again

[dry dagger]

Fair fair

But also fairly confusing

[slate crown]

Follow the line with the If

If the If gate is closed ( because you don't have SS), then don't enter it

The garrote comes before the if gate

[dry dagger]

To me it looks like the Garrote is the condition of the if gate

Kind of like a ternary operator in js

[crisp compass]

Expecting me to know what SS is is crazy! It should be an icon so I can find it 😌

[slate crown]

It's the same icon as garrote so that wouldn't help much.

[fallen arch]

Shrouded suffocation, it says it in the graph

[slate crown]

I understand the confusion with the graphic. But there comes a time for us all to learn new ways of organizing information .

[normal mist]

I do yes, BCS Sims say so

[marsh falcon]

i just browsed through the top parses on silk and they still seem to be avoiding haste

im just terrible at energy management

[fallen arch]

I dont think theyre acitvely avoiding haste

[rare jackal]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[slate crown]

Just don't push buttons

[marsh falcon]

too hard

[fallen arch]

Then go yellow name

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/meditate-calm-relax-zen-im-calm-gif-14918513769384475345

[marsh falcon]

[misty torrent]

When I type /plater in chat nothing happens.. Do I need another addon? Except for WA

[slate crown]

Plater is an addon itself

You need the plater addon

[modern harbor]

hey guys.. whyspir said in his lifestream that fatebound is about 2 % more damage singletarget raid compared to deathstalker.. is there a specific talent tree for it? wowhead only has the raid easy mode talents for fate bound

[molten flicker]

is there any way to reapply deathstalker's mark if it drops?

[modern harbor]

you can reapply it with ambush out of stealth

[crisp compass]

I just play with heliki that's all you need to do purp dmg

[modern harbor]

or of the target died.. you can use 7 combopoint envenom to apply it again

[molten flicker]

yes, on new combat. I wanna know if there's a way during a fight, I have just been living with it being gone since there doesn't seem to be a way to reapply.

[modern harbor]

when you applay deathstalkers mark. you can consume 3 of them by using finisher moves over 5 combo points finisher on them.

[molten flicker]

yes?

[modern harbor]

once all 3 stacks are gone you get the"Darkest Night" Buff

you can apply the new Deathstalkers Mark then with a 7 Combopoint Finisher on any Target

[molten flicker]

yes

and if it drops

[modern harbor]

sry i mean envenom

not any finisher

[molten flicker]

like I asked

[modern harbor]

if your Darkest night drops. you have to go vanish and ambush

there is no playaround

[molten flicker]

it doesn't reapply through that

[modern harbor]

i should. it does when i do it. dont know what you pressing wrong then

[molten flicker]

like for example in dawnbreaker on the last boss, I often have my mark drop before the boss drops on the ground

and if I vanish>ambush it does not reapply

[cunning oxide]

it certainly should

[icy acorn]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[rare jackal]

single target we will want to be vanishing for last 6 of KB with master assassin

does this also go for subsequent deaht marks?

[royal lantern]

ofc

[rare jackal]

like for the 2 min DM, do we go in without an imp garrote to hold vanish for thel ast 6 sec of KB

[royal lantern]

yes

[rare jackal]

ok cool

[pliant terrace]

Are you the og killars from Vodka?

[cunning oxide]

sure

[obtuse ruin]

anyone have that shiv + tea macro?

[crimson abyss]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[obtuse ruin]

thx

[weary holly]

what do we plebs think about dropping sudden demise ?

[manic quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[pliant terrace]

I saw Kush started doing that in higher keys so he could have better st

[weary holly]

him and casual/speedoflife too

[cunning oxide]

i would imagine it becomes more and more viable the higher the key goes up

[weary holly]

but i mean is it worth it for the normies?

+12/13

[polar sinew]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[manic pebble]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[hexed frost]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[winged pumice]

best build for 8++ keys bros?

[copper sun]

can you cloak first boss ability in NW?

[flint star]

Does Lethal Dose talent work with non-lethal poisons?

[cunning oxide]

yes

[copper sun]

So if I cloak it and I die what does that mean?

[wheat oxide]

probably some melee cleave I suppose

[cunning oxide]

^

[copper sun]

No, recap shows that ability

[cunning oxide]

melee by grubby

[copper sun]

Nothing else, overkilled by 3 million

[cunning oxide]

cloak too late 🙂

[copper sun]

It was the first cast of the fight

Cloak was 1.2s before damage

[wheat oxide]

CoS usually works on all magical abilities in M+ except for a few fears for some reason

[cunning oxide]

some fears are considered physical

[wheat oxide]

what caused the overkill

[wheat oxide]

huh didnt know that

[copper sun]

Heaving Retch

[winged pumice]

guys would u use hybrid build for 8+ keys

[wheat oxide]

odd, the spell is classified as nature damage

[slate crown]

u think warriors fear you with magic??

[copper sun]

I know, im so confused

[winged quail]

you can cloak it but you hav to use the first second of cloak or it won't work

[wheat oxide]

they fear me by yelling at me, could be considered magic haha

[winged quail]

didn't work like this in SL butit does now

same as Sikran cleave, only the first second of cloak works for whatever reason

[wheat oxide]

probably something like a short imunity window that is hard coded to make the spell useable :S

[glacial imp]

how do i measure the worth of ttk in my overall dmg?

[copper sun]

If this is real its actually so troll

[winged quail]

it's real I do it every week

1st second of cloak is stronger

[royal lantern]

its real

dont question how Cloak works

or how vanish works

🙂

[manic quartz]

@slate crown i'm stupid and bad at math, at where i should be putting your kingsbane timeline vanish tick at?

[winged quail]

look in custom options you can enable Vanish to show without needing to do anything fancy

[slate crown]

Default should just work

by default it's at 5.75

and it increases by 3 sec per point in subterfuge

[manic quartz]

its 2,75 for me

[slate crown]

You should update

[manic quartz]

just deleted the old one and re imported the new

[slate crown]

The default is 5.75

[manic quartz]

actually no, it didnt update for some reason 😮 its still 1,0,15 brb

[slate crown]

yeh I updated the default and added subterfuge interaction

[lavish geyser]

what weapon enchant do we use for m+?

[manic quartz]

works now, ty<3

[hazy shale]

!masterassasin

[subtle tundra]

who tf from my guild logged a +9 publicly

[exotic trench]

Hi guys ! Is it normal that we can't use ironclaw weightstone ?

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah. We can use whetstones, not weightstones

Weightstones are for blunt weapons I believe

[royal lantern]

yes

and according to blizzard, axes are blunt weapons btw

[exotic trench]

oh damn

i'm dumb sorry guys

[drowsy hatch]

It's fine blizzard is goofy for that anyways

[worldly sail]

fist weapons are the superior type

both blunt and sharp

[exotic trench]

I try assa after outlaw but the lake of energy on single target in mythic is huge oO. I don't know what i do wrong :/

[hexed frost]

You're doing it right, that's why you're out of energy

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[exotic trench]

I'm sur cause my dps is so bad :/

[drowsy hatch]

Assa St dps in m+ is just bad

[narrow siren]

how many thistle tea should i use on my kingsbane after my death mark opener? I use 2 tea during deathmark 1 before kingsbane and 1 at 8 sec before shiv(talking about raid setting)

[exotic trench]

You prefer evenom even if you're under the 5cp threshold ?

[drowsy hatch]

No never do that

You should be able to keep it up if you're conservative with 5 cp finishers

[cursive adder]

am i destined to be lower dmg on bosses withoud adds during m+ or am i doing something wrong? in m+ build im aiming for 100% dots and envenom uptime but enhs are mogging me

[royal pagoda]

Guys where i can find a guid with BIS assa gear for m+ ?

[drowsy hatch]

You will never beat enh in st

!guide but please note that bis is a bit of a meme

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cursive adder]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[drowsy hatch]

Our m+ St is just bad

We're good at aoe

[hazy shale]

Maybe I've missed a pin but does Master Assassin seem bugged?

I thought it would always reapply when you go back into stealth but it seems if you stealth once the buff is active then it doesn't reapply?

[exotic trench]

Thanks for all your precious answer !

[drowsy hatch]

Yes that is currently a bug

[hazy shale]

Cool, be nice when it's fixed

[normal mist]

Oh I wasn't aware, what's up

[steady glen]

why is everyone playing sub 5% haste while raidbots is simming haste gear much higher for me at 11%?

[drowsy hatch]

If you vanish with MA still up it won't refresh

[drowsy hatch]

Haste is good in ST, dog in AOE

Broadly speaking

[normal mist]

Thanks 🙏

[drowsy hatch]

Just consider that bug encouragement to play better

So you get punished for clipping your buff = )

[normal mist]

Yeah just don't vanish in subter

[steady glen]

so i should keep crit mast gear around for m+?

and haste gear for raids?

[normal mist]

Sim

[drowsy hatch]

The difference there is pretty small regardless

But if you want to min max it enough go for it

(Assuming that sims right)

[normal mist]

Fun fact: Sim in Portuguese means Yes so it's rather weird when I type sim to answer

[drowsy hatch]

great now I will never know what you mean

[normal mist]

Yes

XD

[spice spire]

GM

[drowsy hatch]

good morgen

[scarlet orbit]

!wa

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[lavish geyser]

do we still use this opener for fat pulls?

[cunning oxide]

it does reapply but it takes a few seconds

[limber lion]

Sure

[lavish geyser]

sound like there is a better one

[drowsy hatch]

openers are just fluid

[limber lion]

It doesn't really matter in which order you press the buttons

As long as you get bleeds up and send cds on a big boy

You're done

Obviously you wouldn't press Slice whatsoever

[quasi stump]

[lavish geyser]

hmm, I feel like I dont deal crazy dmg. I do ambush, 2x garrote, 2x rupture, mutilate, envenom (for snd) then fan of knives to get CT, and then I send my cds

[manic pebble]

what talents are we using for m+?

wowhead and icyvein are different

[drowsy hatch]

theres 7-8 builds

they all work

[manic pebble]

best of best?

[drowsy hatch]

all well within 1% of each other

[manic pebble]

one with supercharger, or with double vanish

idk what to pick xD

[spice spire]

Both will be fine

[drowsy hatch]

just use wowhead if you dont wanna think

[manic pebble]

aight, double vanish it is

[limber lion]

Forget the Envenom

[narrow siren]

dbl vanish is better for pugs with no coord

[drowsy hatch]

you get a bit more cc from an extra 1 or 2 on demand iron wires

its cool

bit more crit dmg

or chance

[ebon geyser]

yo , playing with subterfuge and 2 vanishes now , how should i use my 2 vanish charges?

[manic pebble]

omg 12 seconds improved garrote??

since when

[drowsy hatch]

subterfuge

[manic pebble]

bro this is banger

[drowsy hatch]

to spread bleeds in aoe or to get crit during k

kb

whatever you need = )

[ebon geyser]

people are saying its supose to be used after kingsbane runs out

[drowsy hatch]

thats for st

oh after?

never after

after you USE kb is fine

[ebon geyser]

i mean during kings bane before it runs out *

[drowsy hatch]

but the point of taking MA in raid build, for example, is to have MA up for more crit

They both work and can probably be used in tandem

But if your group is about to get ass blasted by 5 casters

vanishing to get iron wire back is never going to be a bad thing

the fluidity of m+ makes it fun

[ebon geyser]

this is what im runing for m plus , is this fine?

[manic pebble]

yea

[drowsy hatch]

yes thats just the wowhead build

[ebon geyser]

i see people not runing bone spike

[drowsy hatch]

thats an option

there are 8 builds

pick your fav

if you drop sbs youre probably taking ttk and scoundrel

[ebon geyser]

is twist the knife a huge dps increase ?

[drowsy hatch]

no

thats why its just an option

[strange python]

hey guys, just working into rogue, is there a good source where the exact opening in m+ is explained step by step? Like which targets to spread bleeds on and how to chose the right targets in the matter of seconds etc.?
Just like a 1-2 min explanation or commentary for complete degenerates?
(I have read the guides but didn’t find this exact explanation)

[crisp walrus]

just smash out 2 garrotes and 2 ruptures and go into spatter rotation

[drowsy hatch]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[spice spire]

#assassination message

[fickle girder]

Did you miss this part of the wowhead guide?

[spice spire]

This is a good example

Pick your flavor and laugh

[crisp walrus]

other, better players will correct me if im wrong but ive found that spreading bleeds to more than 6 targets does less dmg for me than just getting 6 mobs dotted up and then just slamming envenoms

[ebon geyser]

yah im used to play with bone spike for those rupture spreads

[drowsy hatch]

it can be good to get a lot of imp gars out

[crisp walrus]

yeha i might do an extra garrote or two

[drowsy hatch]

but 2 of each into spattering pumps

[fickle girder]

You only need 5 targets for sob, then just splatter spam

[crisp walrus]

but i never do more than 2 ruptures

[spice spire]

Uh you still wanna spread during your ic windows, but outside of that sure

[drowsy hatch]

yeah never more than 2 rups

[crisp walrus]

ive been worrying too much about it

and since i only do 11s mobs die pretty quickly, which leads to me losing spatter dmg

[drowsy hatch]

assa nirvana is when you realize you can just send it

[ebon geyser]

why only 2

[crisp walrus]

yeah and not care

[spice spire]

Think she meant garrets

[drowsy hatch]

when I say 2 rups I mean during IC

[crisp walrus]

after spreading 2 imp gars proper with target swapping i just pump them into my main target

[drowsy hatch]

You want 5 rups out total, which means do 2 in the opener

[cold halo]

Ascension but rogue

[craggy shard]

in single target is it better to manually cast thistle for the mastery burst or let it auto cast

[fickle girder]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[wary copper]

/tea

[strange python]

No, I’ve read it of course, I just have not fully understood yet which is the most efficient way to get the bleeds going and spread it effectively. Especially when opening on a pack.
But it seems with improved bleeds you just target all mobs who didn’t receive the spread bleeds and move in with rotation?

[drowsy hatch]

Dont even have to target the ones that dont have a bleed

During carnage you can just train one down and spread off him

So you dont lose your mark

Or mouseover macro to get rups / garrs on others to be a little more efficient

[fickle girder]

apply bleeds during carnage, rupture at least 5 targets if available, then proceed with cds and envenom spam while you have spatter up

[strange python]

Thanks, doesn’t look too complicated now, will hit the dummies later and try exactly that 🙏

[grim plover]

Do u guys run the talent where it drinks tea, Then u hit 30 energy?

[spice spire]

You mean thistle tea?

[grim plover]

Yes

[drowsy hatch]

It's baseline to tea so

Yeah

[grim plover]

Oh

Didnt read that lol

[tired yacht]

did blizz tune something about weapon enchants? one of our rogues started using radiant power on both weapons and I just simmed and it actually sims better than my 2x Depths on pure single target (just very slightly though)

[slate crown]

They were already very close.

Power is just the more flexible of the two for aoe scaling

[tired yacht]

Depths used to be stronger in my single target sims, there's basically no reason then to run it if Radiant is better in ST and AoE

[rigid shore]

isnt it worth getting the evenom poison b4 deathmark or doesnt it matter?

[proven jasper]

In aoe its less important

[spice spire]

Only kb matters to have that buff rolling but with things rolling over literal no point

[fickle girder]

In aoe, especially in strong aoe groups or low level dungeons, you just want to spread your bleeds asap and start pumping out envenoms to spatter. Targets die too quickly to fuck around with min maxing, imo

[rigid shore]

Im not talking about low keys

[spice spire]

But like that’s subjective

What’s low

In 10s I still wouldn’t send the envenom before ngl

[rigid shore]

Im talking about 13's

so shit survives atleast a full tempest normally

[fickle girder]

You can envenom if you want, like, the difference won't be astronomical in any way

[spice spire]

Then yeah

But really just matters for kb in a semi meaningful way. Buff is nice for dm but it’s a kb bit

[rigid shore]

Ok I see

[woven shore]

Is rogue getting changed soon?

[spice spire]

99.9% of people on wowhead aren’t doing 13s so this isn’t a relevant anecdote

?

[woven shore]

What dog guy

[spice spire]

Why would we be getting changed

[woven shore]

Good Perfect

[drowsy hatch]

I had a dream

[timber meadow]

hm is there a reason my ct is doing such little boss dam /cast - I seem to be hitting enough enemeies on brood

[woven shore]

Tell me

[drowsy hatch]

That assa was getting changed to be exactly like shadow priest

[spice spire]

[drowsy hatch]

So count on that

[spice spire]

Spriest is fun..

[woven shore]

Mythic?

[timber meadow]

ye

[woven shore]

Are you doing ct on Parasites

More enemys hit more dmg

Alsoo maybe your guuld not grping enough or maybe mobs dying crazy fast

[timber meadow]

you can seee my hits

so like my hits/cast is more than enough to max

74 hits

8 casts

[woven shore]

Probably dying really quickly

[spice spire]

That’s only like 9 per cast

[timber meadow]

well thi sis boss dam

yeah thats more than enough to max

it caps

at 100

[spice spire]

Yeah for 5

[timber meadow]

20% epr enemy

[spice spire]

But you hit more things

If this is just boss dam it’s fine

[timber meadow]

i want it to do more than envenom

or its not reallyy worth

[woven shore]

XD

[spice spire]

Do you need the add dam

If the answer is no, then just don’t run ct if the answer is yes at any capacity Ct is a massive help by itself

[woven shore]

Yea im Sure your mobs die too fast

[spice spire]

This also goes into talents like, your running momentum of despair, etc

[woven shore]

Ofc you deal no dmg

[sudden sigil]

I truely hope who Ever decided on skardyns drop rate get drop kicked in the face during a nap

[timber meadow]

does it not snapshot the boss dam?

[spice spire]

Run outlaw spec if you’re not already

[timber meadow]

like this is ct dmg sspecifically to bosas

[spice spire]

It does envenom cranks

[timber meadow]

so other mobs dying shouldnt matter

ye but look at top boss dam logs

their ct

does more than envenom per cast

on boss

[sudden sigil]

I am, 7 runs today.
4 of the same cloak. Lovely

[spice spire]

Are we running correct talents at this point. (Including hero talents)

[coral ibex]

most of the top logs on ovinax take CT so if you are looking to parse it appears CT is still the move

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7MvmQgqz3VAyYZ8B#fight=43&type=damage-done&source=3&target=228

Looking at nibren’s log (first one I found) this is decidedly not the case

Like boss damage alone it’s a hard ask to meet

Overall casts sure

[coral ibex]

all these top logs that take CT also top boss damage by a significant margin

im wondering how your pulls could be so different

[timber meadow]

i think its clear from the conversation, idc about parsing considering ive only been talking about boss dam

right

[coral ibex]

yea, all these rogues taking CT also top boss damage by a significant margin

[timber meadow]

but if you look at top boss dam parses

their ct does more boss dam per cast than envenom

so i was curious what would cause that diff considerign im getting max hits

for the dmg icnrease

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[woven shore]

What do you mean

1 ct cast deals more dmg than one envenom?

[grim jay]

Ct does 100% increased St damage

If you hit enough mobs

Which is mainly on parasite spawn

[timber meadow]

sigh yes - read my entire msg's

[woven shore]

How much was it
20% per mob right?

[timber meadow]

im talking boss damage man...

[coral ibex]

are you hitting too many targets, reducing damage? idk how the first 5 targets are chosen

[timber meadow]

yeah thats the only thing i can think of

but i would assume my target is first 5

[spice spire]

Issue is it’s just not true I’ve looked at the top 5 and so far not one has a higher Ct cast avg than envenom

[coral ibex]

no it is true if you look at boss dam only

[timber meadow]

ill link the top boss dam log

[woven shore]

Yes
Im asking if the one ct deals more dmg than envenom

[coral ibex]

#1 log does more boss dam with CT than envenom per cast

[woven shore]

Didnt hear that/ saw that too

[spice spire]

I’m looking at ovinax only

[coral ibex]

yea

[timber meadow]

look at boss dam logs

not overall logs

[coral ibex]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6n2fcTZYgh9brqjw#fight=20&type=damage-done&targetclass=Boss&source=14

[woven shore]

Pls

[coral ibex]

226/98 = 2.306
24.28/10 = 2.428

[grim jay]

Afaik main target is always one of the 5

[timber meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6n2fcTZYgh9brqjw#fight=20&type=damage-done&target=41&source=14

thats the top boss dam log

[grim jay]

But could be based on range only aswell

[spice spire]

0.13 higher

[coral ibex]

that's what this guy cares about

[spice spire]

Crit more

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6n2fcTZYgh9brqjw#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=14&target=41&ability=121411&view=events

[grim jay]

Wish you would crit me

[coral ibex]

i'm not sure why, all mobs need to die and you will be top boss dam

[odd notch]

!sim

[coral ibex]

trying to minmax your CT boss dam when it doesnt matter seems cooked to me

[cunning oxide]

^

[woven shore]

Cant wait for next week

[woven shore]

My guild skipping Heroic finally and finally only going for mythic

Ovinax prog next week

😍

[grim jay]

Thats kinda hot

Or something like that I would say

If I were a furry

[woven shore]

First 34pulls best try 64% pog

[spice spire]

Also a majority of his Ct dam happens during crystal procs

[cunning oxide]

yall dont need spymasters?

[arctic socket]

[spice spire]

For big mastery buffs + crit

[woven shore]

Have i think

[grim jay]

You are the cosplay girl, its your main thing

Dont pog me

[spice spire]

So ig if we’re dying on the Ct boss hill.
Get crystal proc crystal and crit more

[cunning oxide]

we've seen 1 drop all tier from heroic/normal lol. Forever stuck killing silken heroic weekly.