assassination

[novel star]

its basically just that

[rain wraith]

but now that its not a dps loss anymore its win/win right

[novel star]

and if you take ttk you play for uptime on two envenoms instead of one

[stray panther]

is two dawnthread better than ascendance nowadays?

[novel star]

but meh

[novel star]

same as its always been

better in m+ worse in raid

but overall not very relevant

cus embellishments just suck

[stray panther]

well I do mythic raiding mostly

[novel star]

then make ascendance

• writhing armor banding

[subtle tundra]

buddy people literally drop iron wire rn for a drop of dps
it was a 7% dps loss, a vanish.
it was not correct

(cause they are dumb, but still)

people STILL dont play double vanish

[rain wraith]

you are correct if you think DPS > Any form of Convienience in keys

[subtle tundra]

all the time

whatever

if it makes you feel better

to follow the cult

[novel star]

varas this is why hes a high elo gamer and you are not.

cope.

[subtle tundra]

tbh i did play that build yesterday

[rain wraith]

I think ppl should play what they prefer

[subtle tundra]

yes they should but shouldnt spread misinformation

on whats good or bad

[novel star]

^

[rain wraith]

yes but stuff is bad in different ways tho

[subtle tundra]

no

[rain wraith]

yes u lose some dps, but you gain utility

[subtle tundra]

2nd vanish before rework was straight wrong

no buts and ifs

[novel star]

7% is a lot more than some

[rain wraith]

then from the other pov u lose utility but gain dps

[novel star]

and the utility was

pretty small

[rain wraith]

Depends what u want tho

[novel star]

it really doesnt

[subtle tundra]

nope

[rain wraith]

why

[subtle tundra]

cause 7% is a fuckload

[novel star]

you can prefer to play a build that is worse because it makes you feel happy

but it was

strictly worse

[subtle tundra]

5% aura buffs to specs make them meta

[upper spear]

a 5 second silence that isnt relevant on every pack, woohoo.

[novel star]

Nah bro it was 6 back then...

[subtle tundra]

this is not about iron wire

[rain wraith]

it kinda is aswell

[subtle tundra]

buddy

[rain wraith]

why would u go 2x vanish if ur not going iron wire?

[upper spear]

hes arguing 2 vanish for iron wire

[subtle tundra]

hope you have a great day

end of conversation

hope i never play with you

[rain wraith]

Is this guy 16-17?

cant talk to ppl without getting mad

[novel star]

to be fair

[spice surge]

You could equip a pvp trinket to stop yourself being stunned

[novel star]

im also on the verge of losing it

you are

[wispy marsh]

I just simmed the MA and it's legit a 170k dps gain over what I was playing.. lol, I'm chasing 5-10k dps gains with upping items rn

[novel star]

miserably stupid

[spice surge]

For the utility

[zinc frost]

Holy based

[charred hinge]

not to interrupt this dope convo, anyone know the math on dps loss/gain target swapping in m+

[novel star]

idk why it is so hard to just accept that you played a bad build because you enjoyed it more

[upper spear]

plz dont share this meta tech is a secret

[novel star]

theres nothing wrong with that

[rain wraith]

attack whatever target u got mark on

[novel star]

but stop coping!

[wispy marsh]

You talking about spreading bleeds at start of combat?

[charred hinge]

yeah

like spreading garrotes

[wispy marsh]

slam damage into one target

[spice surge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[upper spear]

why are you swapping targets

[rain wraith]

When im doing the same overall dps in the ''bad build'' as i did in the whispyr build then why is it bad

[charred hinge]

oh sweet thank you

[rotund oak]

or just be a human

[charred hinge]

someone brought it up i don't typically swap targets

[novel star]

overall dps in a key is never a relevant number to ur build buddy

[charred hinge]

i just wanted to see if there was math on it

[west crown]

@rain wraith L, accept it, move on

[novel star]

theres 500 things that control ur overall key dps

and ur build is 1 of them

get real

[subtle tundra]

"why do 2 different runs end in different dps, must be the talents, nothing else is relevant"

[rain wraith]

Then how do u decide what m+ build is bad or not when ur doing the same overall

[subtle tundra]

my cock man

[wispy marsh]

Tell them if they don't play the class shut up

[novel star]

by fucking SIMMING IT

AND SEEING THE 7% DIFFERENCE IN SIMS

[rain wraith]

BUT SIMS AINT GAMEPLAY

[quasi ingot]

lmfao

[novel star]

im going to kill myself

i am doing varas strat

end of conversation

ggs

u win

[rain wraith]

Ty

winner

[novel star]

holy fuck

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266209077940457525/1301318860682559558/Tumblr_l_131297895023973.gif

[upper spear]

sounds like ur really fucking up one of the builds then

[rain wraith]

1.8-1.9 overall in both builds

[subtle tundra]

i swear to god if i pug a key as tank and i get a rogue without iron wire

asjdasoidfjoiwehguvcxzji

[novel star]

have fun buddy

[rotund oak]

is that supposed to be alot?

[rain wraith]

No

but the difference isnt alot

[rotund oak]

then there is no relevance

[upper spear]

its just not a lot in your hands

[rain wraith]

thats what im getting at

[west crown]

But the lack of iron wire sure is a lot

[rotund oak]

play what u like,its not better though

[upper spear]

others migth see a difference

[wispy marsh]

Lorge

That's a very solid amount of dps gain

[subtle tundra]

i like the bleed build without vigor i outdps'd an enha with PI
does that mean its op?????

[upper spear]

ya but when he plays it, its only a 100k dps change. so in that reality its basically the same.

[novel star]

elusiveness = dps

[rain wraith]

dead dps is no dps

[wispy marsh]

Dont die 4head

[rain wraith]

ezclap

[upper spear]

i somehow died throgh my cheat death, cloak, evasion, feint

[rain wraith]

did u turn ur back to the mob

and cancel ur buffs

[upper spear]

hit taunt on GB fire elementals

haste buff

[clever topaz]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund oak]

the problem that u have to understand is that doing more dps isnt always better.IW is incredible because it gives 15% dmg dec each time u apply gar from stealth.Its a no brainer as why thats millions times better than MA.U have brainrot tanks running around bodypulling everyhting to brick their keys coz ''healers dont heal'' or ''u dont kick'' and the grim reality is that they dont have the cds or active mitigation to perform the pull

thats where IW comes into play and makes that possible

[rain wraith]

Thats why i play it

[rotund oak]

then whats the whole point in talking MA in the first place

[rain wraith]

Sims never take Mongo tanks and dps that dont kick into concideration

i was never talking about MA

i was talking about 2x vanish with wire before it was good on sims

[rotund oak]

yeah that isnt good either but if u wanna play it sure why not

no one rly cares or should care that much

IW is all that mattes

[rain wraith]

Agreed

[rotund oak]

whatever floats ur boat

[real granite]

i dont really want to kindle anything, but i just dontt really understand the argument

[upper spear]

the only reason this conversation is stupid is because it debates a build that has changed or doesnt exist anymore

[subtle tundra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[upper spear]

so all of it is irrelevant

[real granite]

your whole point was that double vanish with iw was worth it before the rework if i understand correctly?

[subtle tundra]

nah my problem is that a streamer does something, says its good and the flock follows

[rain wraith]

Yes because of dumb tanks and non kicking dps in some keys

[rotund oak]

its all zerocool's fault

[subtle tundra]

idk who that is

[upper spear]

i see Shiv posting some sus shit

[subtle tundra]

or rather i dont want to

[rotund oak]

it was zerocool,its even on the pins,the man came here and say to pin his msg about playing stuff that sim less

u can check the pins

[upper spear]

it was removed from pins

[rotund oak]

[rain wraith]

[rotund oak]

should be added back

it was monumental

[rain wraith]

If you play with a good premade you wouldnt really need to use that spec

[rotund oak]

u can play whatever if u want as a premade

[real granite]

well..., you dont really know how well you'r party is gonna interrupt until you are inside, so thats kind of a gamble, in exchange for a 7% of consistent damage, which is no gamble at all

[rotund oak]

most of the general rules might not even apply coz the strategic approach might be different,premade is a different game

[rain wraith]

Its like driving a new volvo with all the airbags vs driving a Miata

wich one would u be in when shit hits the fan

[subtle tundra]

[upper spear]

I run with 3 assassination rogues, we stack Sudden Demise an all the mobs die at 30%

dont question me

[real granite]

iron wire per se is omega usefull cause the cost its almost nonexistent, unless you'r depleting by 10s with no deaths or mistakes, its almost always worth it

[rain wraith]

God premade

[rotund oak]

idk if u are aware of the difference but its like queueing solo shuffle vs rated 3v3,its world apart,completely different game

[subtle tundra]

i liked this chat more before this spec was meta

[rotund oak]

same

[blazing pumice]

i liked this chat more when it was outlaw

[rain wraith]

remember the outlaw bug guys

that was fun

[upper spear]

trick question, both trash.

[subtle tundra]

i wouldnt know, i dont need to exploit to feel good playing

[brisk forge]

Volvo is good asf tbh

[upper spear]

Volvos are for aunties

[brisk forge]

My xc60 t8 with 460hp will pass Alot of cars xD

[rain wraith]

Safe cars tho

New XC60 looks goood

[brisk forge]

And i wont hurt myself if i crash xD

[rain wraith]

Waiting for my tesla to spontaniously combust while charging

[upper spear]

i drive motorcycle

gonna test airbag

[rain wraith]

Post review?

[brisk forge]

I’d be dess if i owned a motorcycle 🙈

Dead*

[rain wraith]

Im not allowing myself to buy one

[upper spear]

i also have GTR but motorcycle more fun

[rain wraith]

maybe when i turn 40 and the kids are old

[rain wraith]

You see, this is the kind of guy that does 2x vanish for MA and not Iron wire

[brisk forge]

I got 1 year left then b4 i can buy 😜

[upper spear]

i consider dropping iron wire every day

[rain wraith]

Yeah cus u got a GTR and probably a R1 or something

live a little

[upper spear]

ill try

[rain wraith]

I'll probably get a GTR when i turn 40-50

no room for kids in the back tho

[upper spear]

sell the children

good down payment

[west crown]

Am I missing something. Are we not running both IW and MA?

[plucky zodiac]

Is dungeonslice still the way to go to sim for m+?

[upper spear]

theres options, i do.

[rain wraith]

Depends on the dungeon

[west crown]

I understand the plethora of options but the de facto build takes both I thought

[upper spear]

defacto has changed like 3 times in the past 2 weeks

[blissful fractal]

I just play in pugs, IW mandatory out there ha

[rain wraith]

DB, CoT, Mists and Siege u dont really need Iron Wire if ur group can do kicks

[west crown]

I mean

The only correct one there for pugs is mists

[rain wraith]

well for pugs just use IW always

[west crown]

Even in a group you want it

[brisk forge]

Iw is very good in puh life. I am just amazed how bad ppl are to adapt and learning from misstakes 😳

[west crown]

It just makes the dungeon 5x easier

[strange python]

You are aware that the Dr doesnt work on like 90% of the mobs in dawn and in order for it to work it has to silence the mob so on minibosses and bosses its useless and mobs that dont cast?

Which in most cases do the most dmg unavoidable tank busters etc, so IW doesnt seem to have a big impatc unless you are playing keys like necrotic wake or GB

In dawn you can straight up drop it

Same goes for siege

And every dungeon apart from tnw gb and sv

And if u run a prot pala ur gucci with kicks

[cosmic berry]

hey guys hows assasination in the war within from your experience?

[wispy marsh]

good

[novel star]

pretty fun

[cosmic berry]

good to hear, thanks! you think it has spot in end game content like mythic + and raids?

[quasi ingot]

yes

[wispy marsh]

yup

[west crown]

I mean, I’m 99% sure I’ve seen Whispyr say that the silence is not tied to the DR

[normal mist]

He did say that

[strange python]

Pretty sure zero and casual said it is

And the notevenclose website doesnt show it as usable DR on minibosses

[west crown]

I know the tooltip reads that way. I’ve just heard otherwise that those wiser than me

[strange python]

And dungeon mechanics

[strange python]

Same

[boreal pond]

I’m concerned I’ve been trolling this whole time.. does shadowmeld trigger stealth bonuses for garrote, subterfuge, etc. ?

[west crown]

No 😂

[real granite]

meld per se no, but meld into stealth does

[normal mist]

Shadowmeld alone no

[west crown]

But you can meld and restealth if you don’t get out of combat in time for next pack

[merry bison]

Only on trash mobs, meld doesn’t function on Boss fights

Just macro meld and vanish

[manic pebble]

!cloak

!evasion

!defensive

[blissful fractal]

mainly go nelf to meld mechanics

[blazing pumice]

idk i get decent restealth value, particularly when tank is chaining

[manic pebble]

bro, where can I find list of abilities that we can cheese with our defensive?

[blazing pumice]

it mostly doesn't work when you are in close proximity of the mobs

[stiff bronze]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[hollow moss]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rapid pine]

Anyone who can tell a pleeb like me, if we are running subterfuge in keys now or what is the go to build atm?

[west crown]

Yes

Subterfuge, ttk, and master assassin. Without a trace is an option

[west crown]

Pins explains a lot of it

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[whole wadi]

Man I hate the thistle change. So derp.

[vagrant obsidian]

how much need to cry in this channel to revert auto tea and feint nerfs?

[whole wadi]

[snow kindle]

there were feint nerfs?

[subtle tundra]

feint got buffed

wtf

[vagrant obsidian]

11.0.7 elusiveness nerfs

[subtle tundra]

🤨

[vagrant obsidian]

whispyr do smth

save us

pls

[subtle tundra]

shouldnt that be a change to elusiveness

not to feint

[snow kindle]

more of an m+ change only rly 2 bosses currently elu is good on imo

is unfortunate but cheat death still op

[marble hemlock]

doesnt matter, rogue dead

[subtle tundra]

rogue been dead since df

[vagrant obsidian]

gl to play 15+ mists with mistveil bite

[hollow river]

Why are people saying feint is nerfed I don’t get it

[snow kindle]

elusiveness nerf not feint

but dat do be feint

[subtle tundra]

well they chaned the tooltip for feint but not the elusiveness

so?

is it nerfed?

[hollow river]

Folks be wilding out

[fallen arch]

Just play dk ez

[whole wadi]

im gonna hold my horses till I see actual bluepost and not just a screenshot of datamining

[fallen arch]

Enjoy the 2 million extra hp

[hollow river]

It could just be random tool tip crap

[subtle tundra]

someone go on ptr and check idk

!shivz

damn

[trail jacinth]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[winter gale]

Do we use one cursed ring enchant or ?

[whole wadi]

[slim swallow]

can you pandemic "improved Garrote"

[whole wadi]

only if you do it with vanish

otherwise it overwrites

[slim swallow]

And does it snapshot? Will it do more dmg if i use it with Skardryns grace + potion ie? @whole wadi

[subtle tundra]

its dynamic

[whole wadi]

no snapshotting, dynamic update

[subtle tundra]

as is everything

[whole wadi]

snapshotting hasnt been a thing since mop/wod really

[slim swallow]

ah ok ok

So a: yes it does more dmg with skdryns grace + potion, but only during the duration of said trinket+consumes?

[subtle tundra]

yes all of your damage is increased by those effects

for their duration

[whole wadi]

As per feint discussion earlier. There seems to no changes on 11.0.7 ptr

[subtle tundra]

thanks!

[slim swallow]

God damn we ahve it good with defensives really

Elusiveness is such a must have talent IMO

[subtle tundra]

well do we really have it good

[whole wadi]

yeah there is no shot i live the dawn trash dots if i dont have that and get targeted multiple times

[subtle tundra]

we have nothing passive

[meager granite]

Take into consideration that you have less hp than most classes in compensation and it takes us ressources to survive

[subtle tundra]

no real dr no stam

no shields

our heal is a heal over time that does borderline nothing

[whole wadi]

yeah more pressure to be topped vs certain mechanics. healer defo squeals more when i take dmg than when mage or dk does.

[subtle tundra]

our "niche"(cheat death), is not even played cause we dont have defensives if we take it

[slim swallow]

You can litteraly have uptime off 20% dmg reduction for 35 seconds, idk how you can complain

[subtle tundra]

i can complain cause thats not enough

compared to others

when doing cutting edge content

[slim swallow]

You jsut need to use defensives BEFORE incomming dmg as a lot off ppl use it after it has already comee

[subtle tundra]

bud

i know how to play

dont worry

[whole wadi]

[slim swallow]

Then i dont understand why you complain aboujt the defensives 😆

[subtle tundra]

use defensive before the damage

good argument

yes anyone with braincells does

[subtle tundra]

cause any rot dmg kills us

need a personal ambulance

[slim swallow]

cloak dont work?

[subtle tundra]

let me cloak every dot that comes out every 30 seconds

[whole wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-and-pippin-lord-of-the-rings-breakfast-second-breakfast-gif-23495544

[slim swallow]

Stoneform 2nd

Healer issue/potion 3d

[subtle tundra]

ok but thats not rogue

thats dwarf

[slim swallow]

" I PLAY CUTTING EDGE CONTENT" rerolls tauren rogue

[low kernel]

that's a strawman if I've ever seen one

[subtle tundra]

HA STRAWMAN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION

[meager granite]

That sounds cool in a vacuum and sometimes it works like that but having to spent 25 energy for every mechanics cause otherwise you die or get 1 shot, is 1 trade off that other classes don't have most of the time.

[subtle tundra]

can i ad hominem him

[low kernel]

do as you please

[subtle tundra]

youre bad at the game dont talk to me

(im mild)

[slim swallow]

Id rather live during mechanics than whine about DPS loss 😄

[slim swallow]

Strawman?

[subtle tundra]

[slim swallow]

i dont get the. referance. Pardon my lack off knowledge.

[meager granite]

I would rather have a better design and either have a lower cost on feint or a talent that does it since it's obvious we are required to press it a lot in m+ content and not play CD

[real granite]

google it, strawman fallacy

[subtle tundra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[slim swallow]

It might be a strawman, but i mean. If you play at high level, why play something other than FOTM class?

or race

[real granite]

beacose we are not speaking about races

but classes

other classes can also be that race

and still have an advantage

[marble hemlock]

The problem with rogue is how binary it's defensives are. If feint works baseline, we're basically an immortal class. If it doesn't apply, we're about as durable as hunters, which is to say we're one of the worst classes to keep alive.

[subtle tundra]

hunter being squishy is a myth from before DF

they are quite tanky

they got pretty sturdy with the talents

[marble hemlock]

It's gotten better but it's still ass

Hunter/boomkin/rogue without feint are the bottom 3 in terms of survivability

WW kinda ass too

[royal iron]

Is subterfuge our new m+ spec or do it shine more on 12+ keys ?

[subtle tundra]

id say its even better on lower keys

if stuff dies faster -> higher uptime % on MA

[marble hemlock]

And fwiw, a 20% dr doesn't cut it for most encounters

[royal iron]

true, ty

[marble hemlock]

It's better than nothing, but I'd rather have a personal that gives 40+ on a 2 minute cooldown than feint

[slim swallow]

feint gives 40% on AoE effects, no?

[marble hemlock]

If it works, yeah

Like I said

[subtle tundra]

its coded as AOE=we are tanky

[marble hemlock]

If feint applies to the damage of the encounter, we're one of the tankiest classes in the game

[subtle tundra]

if not unluigi

such as queen ansurek, before it was nerfed

i had to get externaled

[marble hemlock]

If it doesn't, cuz rot damage or not considered AOE dam, we fucking suck

[meager granite]

Bring Aug evoker and have his rescue bind just for you ❤️

[subtle tundra]

fucking hate aug evoker

fucking hate

HATE THEM

[meager granite]

55% bon might uptime

Wdym

[slim swallow]

Aug Evoker is carried by their rep.
90% they underperform

[royal lantern]

delete aug

[marble hemlock]

Delete outlaw

[slim swallow]

seems people who play it does not track party CDS and does not really understand how the class works. Only a handfull it feels knows what the fuck too press

[grim jay]

deleta aug and outlaw

same patch

[bronze pike]

Delete seli

[grim jay]

I'll sacrifice something to the blizz gods on that day

[bronze pike]

Not cause to defend outlaw

[subtle tundra]

man we argue so much then you say the truest shit ever

[bronze pike]

But cause he’s a cat

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[marble hemlock]

I'm not

I'm a human boy

[bronze pike]

That’s cat talk

[meager granite]

You are to us

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/ray-cat-cat-man-screech-gif-14544579

seli irl

[royal lantern]

🐱

[subtle tundra]

so much misinformation

youre cat

[royal lantern]

did we ever see Seli and Nova in the same room?

gotcha there

[marble hemlock]

Weirdos trying to fetishize me into a catboy

[grim jay]

people would be happy if they ever turned into other peoples sexsymbol

[marble hemlock]

Literally on stream, yeah

[grim jay]

uh what

[royal lantern]

photoshop

[marble hemlock]

Anyway, I gotta take a nap

[grim jay]

a... cat nap?

[subtle tundra]

its 11:44 wtf

[grim jay]

10:44

[subtle tundra]

nvm its understandable

cat behavior

[grim jay]

yermany got turned back 1h

last weekend

[subtle tundra]

yes yurope did

finland too

[grim jay]

well

its

part of europe

[subtle tundra]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[grim jay]

but did you know

romania did aswell?

[subtle tundra]

holy. shit.

[brisk forge]

Was so close b4 covid hit we would get rid of time changes….

[grim jay]

maybe one day

funny thing is that it doesnt really work as much in germany anyways, like you still wake up in the dark and get home in the dark

why even bother

[brisk forge]

Same i Sweden, make no diff

[grim jay]

only animals go crazy

because they dont have a clock

[subtle tundra]

i need to go to finland

live there

on god

[brisk forge]

But most animala goes by our clocks

[balmy condor]

actually straw man is just a scarecrow

[subtle tundra]

did you just call me a crow? cause im scared of strawmans

[unborn barn]

Oh wow, what's this! Wowhead mythic+ is now recommending Without a trace! Have we come full circle? xD

[subtle tundra]

nope

subterfuge was omega buffed

[grim jay]

@balmy condor there you go

[subtle tundra]

you wouldnt play WaT otherwise

[subtle tundra]

bro where were you earlier

when i had this discussion with some random

[grim jay]

honestly

sleeping

[subtle tundra]

i fucking wish

telling me 7% dps was worth the utility...

if any dps got a 7% nerf they'd be in the fucking garbanzo bin

(considering healthy balance)

[winter gale]

2x Dawnthreads is the way to go for M+?

[river nebula]

Yeh but is like 1% dps so no stress if you don’t have them.

[grim jay]

yeah, this season its kinda outlier heavy imo compared to the last ones tho

[stiff bronze]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

yeah so turns out if they buff the shit out of a ton of things, other talents become better

[winter gale]

Atm I am using Ascension+Writhing

[balmy condor]

But without a trace is so last week

The new hot way to hate on wowhead is to drop iron wire

[subtle tundra]

erm

nope

you play 2x lethality 1 subterfuge

btw

youre so bad

[balmy condor]

Caught

[grim jay]

smh my head whats your rio even

[balmy condor]

I’m sorry king for not including all 372 variations of perfectly viable builds

I will strive to do better

[grim jay]

isnt that also that one popular song

whats rio

baby dont ask me

or something like that

[normal mist]

Is anyone already cooking sylvanas rogue tmogs?!

[oak eagle]

nah

screw that lady

she burned my tree

[normal mist]

I'm trying

[subtle tundra]

yea thats what i thought for the whole sanctum of domination

🤤

[meager granite]

She is a dead corpse tho...

[normal mist]

a hot one

[subtle tundra]

ok?

[real granite]

UNdead*

quite the difference

[meager granite]

If there's a will, there's a way?

[brisk forge]

There is stil holes 🫣

[rotund oak]

Even in dawn all the mobs around church and the spiders that cast the web bolts are nullified by it so no,u are very dismissive of it if u ask me but it doesnt rly matter if u wanna drop it drop it,u are a free man.

[fading mason]

you doing great

[royal lantern]

people are horny for a corpse this expansion aswell

[rotund oak]

what a babe 😍

[rotund oak]

irrelevant information but im cooking snitzel with alfredo pasta and mushrooms

[shrewd night]

Oh, we talking about royal? Hell yeah he is a hot one.

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-sorprendido-shaquille-oneal-gif-23222312

[subtle tundra]

can i come over

[meager jungle]

can someone tell me when do i need to start pool energy and at how much energy do i have to stop spamming buttons ?

[molten flicker]

0

[rare isle]

Is hand of justice any good for us?

[meager jungle]

the problem on st is i dont have any energy at all

how can i solve the problem tho

[blazing pumice]

idk what build are you running

[meager jungle]

thsi one

[rare isle]

Be ST spec if you wanna ST

😄

[meager jungle]

i mean for M+ i wanna do good boss dmg tho

instead of being of energy i cant really see how i can out do it

[rotund oak]

anytime bb

[subtle tundra]

you dont

assa is bad at st

[rare isle]

Yea not in that build

[subtle tundra]

gotta live with it

[meager jungle]

hmmm so i have to live with bad st on bosses ?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[rare isle]

In M+ we just there to slay packs

And look good doing it

[meager jungle]

ahhhhhh

[royal lantern]

damm i fail at that part

[meager jungle]

okay thanks i was actually thinking of like how am i this bad lol

[molten flicker]

start pooling at 0

[rare isle]

I do alright

[royal lantern]

full set

kekw

[unreal verge]

So its not just me then 🙂

[wispy marsh]

Not my goblin wearing my old tmog for my female character 😭

[rare isle]

I like it 😄

[royal lantern]

S C R E E N C A P T U R E D

[rare isle]

But back for my question, does Hand of Justice do any good?

[blazing pumice]

sim it

i don't think so

[molten flicker]

sure it's fine

it's not the best

but it's better than worse things

[royal lantern]

its heroic gear

if heroic gear is good for you, ye its good

[wispy marsh]

It'll do for rn, I can't give him the cool set because he has no daggers at the moment.

[molten flicker]

can't give blanket statements for anything

[rotund oak]

remove cloak,add tabard(of flame if not something more fitting) + better daggers(preferable timeslicers with mongoose or sinister's revenge or mythic daggers(the red ones) from sod with glorious tyranny)

[rare isle]

Yea cloak is gone, that was just a miss on my end. Other than that i like perditions blade. Has been using it for all mogs since mogging was available. So it's kind of a must have. Can't break traditions you know 😄

[rotund oak]

perdition's is an alltime classic cant blame u but its outdated for a mog.Even legion artifacts look better now

[rare isle]

Yea a bit outdated but, hard to leave the trusty knives behind 😦

[sullen phoenix]

guys is this setup good/viable for keys? i find it i do more st dmg with this build overal than last one we had before wowhead update

[merry bison]

MA got nerfed, time to go back to sub

[sacred bloom]

yea I run that, just need a good team

MA was already nefed?

25-20?

[cunning needle]

NERFED

[novel star]

have fun man

[cunning needle]

ASSI DEDGE

SUB ROGUES RISE UP

[cunning needle]

NOW IS THE HOUR

[merry bison]

its joever

[sacred bloom]

yes

thats already a think

[merry bison]

we aint meta anymore

[sacred bloom]

thing

[cunning needle]

JUST TIMED A 12 COURT AND OUT DPS'D AN ENHANCE SHAMAN AS SUB

[sacred bloom]

its lit already a think

[bronze horizon]

tbf MA had no right to still be 25% crit with subterfuge able to extend it to 12s

[cunning needle]

ASSI ROGUES WHERE

[sullen phoenix]

you think new wowhead talents will perform better with double vanish?

[merry bison]

did you log

[cunning needle]

yeah i did

[merry bison]

this shami needs to be cooked

[rotund oak]

its a compensation for having 11 seconds subter,cant have both apparently

[wispy marsh]

Not a lot that beat these daggers for me, Legion was good to me

[cunning needle]

i got a r1 parse

[subtle tundra]

in higher keys

[sacred bloom]

I dont run double vanish

[subtle tundra]

🙄

[merry bison]

sub so back

[rotund oak]

tomb full set + wpns,yup u gucci

[merry bison]

Realz fix !

[sacred bloom]

assas on top

[molten flicker]

in what world is subterfuge 11 sec

[sullen phoenix]

i saw updated talents double vanish is to go now so i am a bit confused XD

[molten flicker]

you can use it if u want to

there is no cookie cutter build

[merry bison]

crumbl sells cookie cutters

[royal lantern]

jokes on you

[normal mist]

Builds aside

did i cook?

[rotund oak]

yup i stand corrected here,it was hasted answer,i mean IC

[merry bison]

u cooked

those daggers

[royal lantern]

shoulders dont fit imo

[merry bison]

sensational

[royal lantern]

nothing in the set screams "random skulls" imo

rest is great

[novel star]

best dagger model in the game

[molten flicker]

indiscriminate carnage is also not 11 seconds

[merry bison]

where are those even from

[normal mist]

Since when do we need an excuse to have skulls somewhere :3

[normal mist]

eternal palace

[novel star]

bfa water raid

eternal palace heroic

thanks royal i forgot da name

even though i use them

[merry bison]

Finally

[novel star]

[merry bison]

something that hasnt been on a tradingpost from the past

im gonna farm that boi

looks awesome

[royal lantern]

211 StGB in germany

[rotund oak]

cool stuff cool stuff,maybe a tabard and shoulder illusion

[novel star]

tabards are shit man

[rotund oak]

should with the feathers do look weird

[novel star]

stop the tabard propaganda

[normal mist]

shoulder illusion?

[novel star]

they look awful

[novel star]

i’m a tabard super hater

[wispy marsh]

I wouldn't know about daggers from Eternal Palace, outlaw main at the time and double Diver's Folly was the tits

[limber lion]

#transmog

[rotund oak]

i dont like tabards as well

[molten flicker]

11 != 12

[rotund oak]

but might be the case here

[novel star]

[novel star]

ur not a mod bud

[limber lion]

Not anymore

[normal mist]

#transmog message pre tabard cook

[novel star]

powerless to stop the mogposting

[wispy marsh]

What if I post a question with my mog? 👀

[novel star]

ok nvm that’s a lot worse

[limber lion]

Hmm

[rotund oak]

yeah there are shoulder illusions

enchanters do them

[novel star]

enchant this

[merry bison]

I'm bout to disenchant those

[novel star]

[rotund oak]

[limber lion]

Personally not a fan of the pants, the feathers or the skulls, otherwise fits pretty well

Personally also a hater of bulky daggers but that's just me

[molten flicker]

ruinous gutripper ❤️

[limber lion]

The pants' colors don't really fit at all, that's probs the biggest issue

[normal mist]

the pants from this set are SO WEIRD

[novel star]

i didn’t notice anything wrong with pants but i’m also bedge

[limber lion]

But still beats 99% of all other tmogs running around

[novel star]

so

[molten flicker]

blood weeper also nice model

[novel star]

phone screen size gg

[normal mist]

HOW MANY COLORS

[novel star]

[normal mist]

DO YOU WANT

[limber lion]

Like if the top part was just brown or the metal color from the plates it would be fine

But why is it a blueish grey

Blozord pls

[molten flicker]

the lobotomizer is a clean dagger too

[wispy marsh]

Brooooo

[normal mist]

IDK D: thats why you see me trying to work brown / purple

[limber lion]

Yeh I mean eveything else fits

Blizzard tryna make mogging impossible

[normal mist]

and for some reason these are the only boots that somewhat work

it just continues the brown vibe descending

[novel star]

mythic difficulty transmog items

kinda based

[normal mist]

the white can somewhat be seen later in the shoulders feathers

[normal mist]

you mean heroic?

[zinc osprey]

any1 has a caustic spatter mod for plater?

[normal mist]

5/8 heroic :))

[novel star]

i mean

using the item

in a mog

is mythic difficulty

[normal mist]

OH

LOOOL

you got me there

also

[blissful fractal]

I just do LFR transmog, full set merciless glas

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

THESE DAMN PANTS ARE DESIGN TO LEAVE A SPACE BETWEEN THEM AND A CHESTPIECE

[limber lion]

Take from mine or Whispyr's

[normal mist]

BECAUSE REASONS

[limber lion]

Low rise pants

A bit of a trend now

[craggy nimbus]

Yea, had that same problem on my paladin. Incredibly annoying!

[novel star]

just equip a full set and go next

[blissful fractal]

You guys dont wear belts irl?

[wispy marsh]

Based

[normal mist]

i don't

[novel star]

no

[limber lion]

Usually wear them with my pants and not on my stomach by itself

[wispy marsh]

Only reason I wear a belt is to carry my gun concealed, lol

I buy pants that fit

[normal mist]

now... this will be fun to cook with

the colors are REALLY good

[ebon geyser]

best trinkets for M plus ?

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

skardyns+some kind of passive

same as raid

[rotund oak]

let him go into some kind of searching to enable his thinking process..

anyway whatever

nvm me

[balmy prism]

pyjama set is bis always

[normal mist]

• We got Windrunner at home:

[normal mist]

HEHEHEHEHE

That's a rare mob pet!

[rotund oak]

dont like the bow

[normal mist]

TOO BAD

ITS LEGENDARY SO ITS GOOD

[rotund oak]

ik

[normal mist]

(right?)

[balmy prism]

this started out as a meme set but I kinda like it

[normal mist]

Also go vote #1262437829150113855 , entries for October ended and we need more people to vote on your rogue brothers

SUPPORT LOCAL ACTIVITIES!

[wispy marsh]

How many rogues y'all got?

[molten flicker]

2

[royal lantern]

1

[normal mist]

2 max level, 1 70, many at lvl 30

[vernal snow]

@cunning needle we are indeed 😏 but jokes aside. Assa still better by far 😂

[novel star]

i’m still just

war within item vibing

idgaf enough to farm or cook anything

well i farmed for the daggers but whatever

[inland escarp]

I actually like the tier set look

[limber lion]

But... why?

[novel star]

also 1

[normal mist]

olii

[wispy marsh]

I'll never cook anything, I try to only use mage tower weapons so I'm pretty limited in what to wear.

[winged sun]

we're playing double vanish now?

for m+?

[limber lion]

If you want

I am

[novel star]

Yo

[winged sun]

i dont want to i think

[molten flicker]

if we want to

[limber lion]

Then don't

[normal mist]

that moment your cook was so good they keep using the image you did for different posts

[winged sun]

is it neutral?

[wispy marsh]

Leveling allied races back in the day for the heritage armor, also farming rogue tmog back in the day

[limber lion]

More like situational, hard to put a number on it

[rotund oak]

i think hallowfall ambusher is an amazing cook,very nice,rly like it

[novel star]

aintnoway

[limber lion]

Alrighty

[normal mist]

I'm still waiting for them to use some of the ones whispyr gave them

like these ones

Okay i'll stop spamming tmog here

[wispy marsh]

Talking about the same dude who came back after a 4? year break and leveled every class to max for fun. Lot of people hate leveling, I enjoy it. Allied races were an excuse to level characters for fun.

[winged sun]

huh

my spatter has no number cd on it

how fix

[novel star]

idk figure it out

[limber lion]

Turn on the text prompt in the wa

[winged sun]

ah

%p

got deleted somehow

[novel star]

[inland escarp]

Oli so helpful fr

[limber lion]

Fair enough. Personally yeah I hate leveling, always choosing to take the instaboost option whenever available.

[final lichen]

which embelishment is this?

[limber lion]

Only have 2 rogues because I had to play a mirror Rogue in Method

[novel star]

i would pay money to have someone level every class to 80 on my account

except that’s something i already could pay for and won’t

[winged sun]

bro

[inland escarp]

You can indeed pay for that service

[novel star]

too lazy

and too broke

[wispy marsh]

Originally I only had the two, one to play with horde friends, and the og to play with alliance. With cross faction being what it is now it's nice I can play whatever I like.

[novel star]

i got 2 characters and might barely have the mental fortitude to level a 3rd and then it’s gg

[limber lion]

Cross faction is still shit it's so annoying, can't even level up with friends

[inland escarp]

^

[limber lion]

Hopefully they fix that at some point

[novel star]

they’re half fixing it in 11.0.7

but only half

shit game

[limber lion]

Yup

[fresh kelp]

Elemental focusing lens

Or smth like that

[wispy marsh]

Creative naming scheme. Started xpac late and came back to BC TW. Put my life on pause and lived there for a week and tortured myself to get it done, lol. Get a cool achieve for it though. Was using it to get into groups at first

[normal mist]

it isnt even a fix

its a poop

[wispy marsh]

Would link it and be like, "trust me, my mental is steel." And people trusted that

[normal mist]

"full party and you can queu"

BRO WHO TOLD YOU I HAVE MORE THAN 2 FRIENDS

[novel star]

true

[limber lion]

Jesus

[winged sun]

idk why

alot of my WAs

lost their %p

[cunning needle]

sub gang gang rise up

[winged sun]

anyone knows reason

didnt login in 2 weeks didnt expect that mucch spaghetti going on with my pcc

maybe its because i played wow on rog ally

console rotation

[radiant snow]

just wondering whats everyones favourite race to play as rogue c:

[novel star]

i like void elf to teleport around and be a pretty twink

[wispy marsh]

I'm a big wow lore nerd and I try to stick one race per class (so some get pigeonholed) But I really enjoy my Dark Iron Dwarf so far this xpac.

[novel star]

but that’s not related to being rogue in any way

[novel moss]

VE for animations/look but sadly play fugly fat dwarf for racials

[wispy marsh]

Their whole society is about backstabbing and ambushing stuff. Not above underhanded methods of victory or gaining power.

[novel star]

thematically i guess vulp is pretty goated

[radiant snow]

okay i like these answers

[novel star]

[wispy marsh]

Horde side, Goblin...Need I say more?

[novel star]

why goblin when you can vulp

[wispy marsh]

Vulpera make better hunters

Which sucks

[halcyon grail]

Time is money, friend

[wispy marsh]

because then Highmountain gets kicked out of hunters 😦

I wish they had more Vulpera lore. Really only rogue/hunter that fit and I think Goblin is the better rogue lorewise

[rotund oak]

Orc or Cow or UD i guess

[halcyon grail]

Functionality wise set it and forget it horde races, goblin and Zandalari troll were my fav. Free Crit or free haste

[radiant snow]

undead look pretty cool tbh

[novel star]

undead rogue is 2004 af

[rotund oak]

u like vulpera

[wispy marsh]

Undead are sick af, no lie. And the deathstalkers are a big part of their faction. They 100% make sense

[rotund oak]

u have no opinion to this

[halcyon grail]

I think zanda proc 4% Crit when it's racial goes?

[novel star]

ye :3

[rotund oak]

yup too bad its nerfed to the ground,only some fear niche situations

there were times Human vs UD

was an eternal conflict

[wispy marsh]

I remember that time

Weird to think about

F I'm getting old

[rotund oak]

maghan orcs buffed btw dunno how that plays out but im down

orcs are omegatryhard mode

[radiant snow]

i do like my female orc tbh

animations feel nice

[rotund oak]

yup its just a nice robust thing u see

like humans

its very very good

[meager jungle]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a2nNBJmkKdCXRthw#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=8 can someone give me some advises is that good like that or is it bad my dmg ? ^^

[pseudo cosmos]

Og human or undead rogue

Rest are impostors

[rotund oak]

fan fact my 1st 2.4 was as an undead

[wispy marsh]

Just race changed mine to a goblin literally 10 minutes ago because I'm now making my horde characters one class per race. Orc warlock iconicccccccc

[grim jay]

I wish I was motivated enough to quickly level up an orc shaman

[wispy marsh]

But I love my orc female. She got race changed when I was doing the pvp aspect of Azeroth's Champion and had to do arena stuff

[rotund oak]

its very fast tbh,takes no time if u can spare like a day if u like slow

ild def try goblin shaman as horde,reason is rocket jump

shaman can double jump quickly and dodgestuff

pretty goated

[rain wraith]

You guys play other classes?

[grim jay]

I cant even get myself to do the missions for event tokens rn

[rotund oak]

i multiclass now ye,was a onetrick rogue for 15 years.Now im practicing mage and hpally and some hunter

[wispy marsh]

Demo warlock/Arcane Mage/Survival Hunter

[rotund oak]

😅

[hollow river]

It’s super easy and fast now tbh

[rotund oak]

oh ive got alot of alts in general got 2 accounts

many rogues and mages

[hollow river]

I got my first t2 set in like 1 day

[grim jay]

ye its just.. personal things sucking on the motivation today

[grim jay]

after or before patch?

[hollow river]

After this reset

[wispy marsh]

At my most I had 36 max level characters. Decided to take a break, lol. I'm just trying to gear what's on the warband page. I like dps and am good at it, don't want anyone asking me to tank/heal so I only play classes that have dps specs nowadays, lol

[rotund oak]

hold on im on my laptop now,doing some stuff,need to log my alliance acc

thing is slow

[wispy marsh]

Y'all might like this, wife and I found a cat by the dumpster behind our house. Kept him while trying to find his owners but no chip, no luck. We've now had him for 2 months. Wife named him Illidan while we were looking up famous hunters, lol

[hollow river]

What’s the point in having 2 accounts

[rotund oak]

one eu one na

[hollow river]

Ah

[rotund oak]

now both eu

[rain wraith]

Laundering chinese gold to not get ur main banned

[wispy marsh]

I use my second to farm stuff while playing, used to sell a lot of TLPD that way.

[hollow river]

[rotund oak]

(my first was banned for scripting many years ago,made another one,got it back)

[winged sun]

guys?

[normal mist]

Girls

[rain wraith]

Lads

[winged sun]

do i keep sudden demise

or

for high keys specifically

[rotund oak]

dont even play anymore that much,too much work but those are some

[wispy marsh]

I am not good enough to answer this question as I copy paste builds and play them to the best of my abilities

Opens Raiderio
"What're we playing today?"

[limber lion]

Yes

[dense hamlet]

if ur at 6 with darkest night active with an ambush proc do u Fok to get 7th?

or do u finish 6 and rebuild to 7?

[winged sun]

kk

first key in 2 weeks

dont watch zac's stream

[wispy marsh]

Go make us proud

[winged sun]

outlaw may win

[subtle tundra]

only time you fok in st is if you have the buff

[winged sun]

im washed up atm

[karmic gazelle]

Dracthyr

[winged sun]

didnt touch my keyboard in 14 days

[subtle tundra]

if you have DN you build to 7

[subtle cipher]

no

you mut

[dense hamlet]

u cant mute

i said with ambush proc

do u ambush

[subtle tundra]

yea

ok you ambush

[subtle cipher]

yeah lol

ambush/mut

[subtle tundra]

mutilate is replaced by ambush

[subtle cipher]

w/e

[subtle tundra]

semantics

[dense hamlet]

yeah sure but it does sound like a bit of a waste

like didnt sound right to me

[subtle tundra]

cause it is

but you need to do it

[subtle cipher]

doesnt need to sound right

[dense hamlet]

so i thought might aswell ask

[subtle tundra]

its shit design yes

[subtle cipher]

welcome to wow

[dense hamlet]

no i mean like theres no way the margin is even anything high

the way i saw it was like

wat if the ambush is a high cp one

[wispy marsh]

Sucks to suck

[subtle tundra]

if you dont force finish at 7 you might not get to 7 cp for a long time

and thats really bad

[subtle cipher]

you want to consume DN asap

[dense hamlet]

yes so thats why i said Fok

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter. Wasting 2cp is better than not having the mark up for the next 4 gcds and the finisher that comed after it

[dense hamlet]

without Clear

[subtle cipher]

fok does shit dmg

[limber lion]

And fok is just bad

[subtle tundra]

fok is bad

bad dmg

[limber lion]

Wasting cp for dn is fine

[dense hamlet]

yeah i compared shit dmg to having more cp after finishing

[subtle cipher]

after finishing you will have 0 cp

[dense hamlet]

it just sounds shit overall

[subtle tundra]

sim said no naked fok

[dense hamlet]

unluck

[subtle tundra]

it feels bad

yep

shit design

[subtle cipher]

if you get lucky you can garrote if pandemic lol

[subtle tundra]

i want to finish more 💦

[subtle cipher]

but thats it

[dense hamlet]

yeah i mean garroting dosent feel that bad

mut or ambush feels shit

[subtle cipher]

time to play fatebound

[exotic trench]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[grim jay]

sure if you hate yourself

[subtle cipher]

idk, i dont mind too much deathstalker, but needing to ambush or YOUR WHOLE HERO TREE act like it didnt existed its just terrible design

[grim jay]

kinda hard to justify ditching a good time just because you have to press a button once in a fight and something between once and a handful of times in a dungeon

[subtle cipher]

first weeks there was a bug on first boss of cot that even if you vanish sometimes wouldnt apply the mark = gg three ignored

same as third gb

its shit

simple

specially with vanish being a dps cd again

better time your mark on queen, otherwise you wont have it again

[grim jay]

didnt have an issue in cot even once and third gb is, apart from it being through the design, a skill issue that barely requires anything to play around

[grim jay]

same there, rarely had any issues

[urban lily]

indeed

[urban lily]

its shit design

[subtle cipher]

^

[grim jay]

doesnt change the fact that a majority of the problem is in your heads

[urban lily]

yeah, im pressing vanish and ambush and the mark not being applied its on my head, sure

[subtle cipher]

lmaoo

[grim jay]

its by no stretch of the imagination unplayable or impacting your deeply

[grim jay]

idk, never happened to me

[urban lily]

yeah you are an iluminated soul, all multiple reports about this are cuz skill issue