assassination

[proper hare]

edge of platform

[tawny geyser]

Whispyrs guild kills Sikran in 3 mins kekw

[wispy epoch]

???

[coral ibex]

adds have to be literally up rash's asshole to get hit by spatter

[lost wharf]

How come Force Induction is a thing now and do you play it differently than without it?

[west crown]

3 min mythic Sikran is pumping

[wispy epoch]

Should I swap from Dawn threads to ascension today…

[proven jasper]

its like less than 1% of a difference ngl

[wispy epoch]

Probably not bc the likelihood of another 639 dagger dropping is high, with me as the only rogue

It’s more so factoring

What mythic pieces I’ll get

And what I can keep at 636

[proven jasper]

Its so much more worth to just upgrade gear with crests atm

[wispy epoch]

Oh def

But I literally am capped on crests

[west crown]

I’d upgrade my gear

But I’m capped

[wispy epoch]

But I have a 636 belt and dagger

So I’m thinking

[west crown]

Makes me want to craft even though it’s “sub” optimal

[wispy epoch]

I need to change them to crit mast

Anyway

So why not swap embellishments while I’m at it

[novel star]

do you though

[wispy epoch]

They’re haste mast rn

[novel star]

yeah

[wispy epoch]

Bc I thought it’d be smart to offset

[novel star]

but

[wispy epoch]

Some haste in there

[novel star]

whats the difference between haste mast and crit mast

like .2?

[wispy epoch]

In AOE

[west crown]

I mean if you raid I’d just keep it

[celest ruin]

am i tripping or does scent sometimes break? my stacks went from 4 to 0 with rupture still up and i had to rerupture again to regain the stack

[novel star]

i really dont think its going to be that massive in aoe either but

do whatever you want with your gold idc its not mine

[spice spire]

You’re five healing rash

Also

[craggy shard]

Quick Q about single target rotation, if your envenom is active and your max combo points do you wait/pool to proc envenom again when the timer runs low or just hit it for dps

[wispy epoch]

Yeah I’m not a paypiggy

[spice spire]

You’re missing war buff didn’t second pot and didn’t hit max stacks kb at end

[wispy epoch]

That’ll do it

[tawny geyser]

boss died as soon as i clicked KB

[wispy epoch]

5% attack power. No 2nd tempered pot…

What’s your boss damage parse

Just boss damage

[subtle tundra]

when deathmark expires, it bugs it out, and lose the stacks until you reapply

[wispy epoch]

That’s crazy

I almost don’t want to use DM in trash now

But I’d be inting

[celest ruin]

since when was this happening? first time ive heard about it

[subtle tundra]

i think you only lose the stacks from that 1 target

[coral ibex]

[subtle tundra]

idk probably since df who knows

[coral ibex]

[proper hare]

apm assa is now

[spice spire]

It did not

That’s ten seconds before kill time

[west crown]

Yeah I hit 250+ that could use some work

[spice spire]

Missed a tea usage too that could have helped (haven’t super deep dove beyond basics am at work)

[coral ibex]

bro i dont even talent caustic

[west crown]

Rip stonks

[coral ibex]

the adds get dropped on the very front of the boss target circle

i'm never getting caustic uptime

[spice spire]

Caustic is part of it but also like, you can’t play around guild strat or play so sometimes it just is what it is

If adds aren’t down the bosses ass on the very edge you’re missing that dam

[west crown]

Like one caustic per pack adds up to 250 for me

And that isn’t stacking

[coral ibex]

ok

idk how else to explain to you that my guild drops the adds such that caustic spatter does not hit any of them

[raven vapor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[crisp stream]

any rough idea in m+ bosses how many env's you guys get in kb window?

[coral ibex]

idk probably like 4-7?

7 would be like

[crisp stream]

5cps or max?

[coral ibex]

perfect seal fate procs

[brave comet]

any that i like? so all of them are viable?

[coral ibex]

why would you force 7cp envenoms

in kb

you only do 7cp envenoms for DN consumption

[sullen steppe]

How much energy should i be pooling before sending KB in m+ st without DM

[crisp stream]

i dont, trying to understand how many cps env's are ideal during windows 🥲

[coral ibex]

the combo point finisher logic doesn't change in kingsbane

5+cps, 7cp for DN

[crisp stream]

got it, thanks man

[nimble vector]

between duskthread / dawnthread and ascension + patch yes pretty much

[marsh oyster]

Howdy, always interested in leveling a Rogue and really getting into the class, just never made the effort. From what i've heard, it's a really difficult to master class with lots of keybinds, is that true? I'm kinda intimidated ayy

[pliant silo]

Button bloat isn’t too bad tbh, maybe spec dependent

[coral ibex]

leveling rogue is easy

questing is easy, you have lots of CC and do good damage

[pliant silo]

Hard to master maybe, but skill ceiling is a good thing for a class.

Skill floor is what you’re asking about and I’d say that rogue is pretty approachable in that sense

[royal lantern]

not really much

like, its a wow class

none of them are giga complicated or smth like that

[gaunt pendant]

do i want acendance or dawnthread

[royal lantern]

yes

[stray adder]

rogue is definitely up there in term of complexity

it's not BM hunter

let's be honest

[marsh oyster]

Well, I'm used to playing Shaman, which has a fair amount of bloat

[stray adder]

yeah shaman is giga bloated

[drowsy hatch]

WAKE OF ASHES WAKE OF ASHES

[stray adder]

but i dont associate bloat to complexity necessarily

[brave comet]

Ascension only goes on a crafted weapon correct?

theres no way to get it on other equips?

[stray adder]

correct

[umbral sierra]

In single target am i trying to stay over 150 energy for the bonus sanguine blade damage or nah

[pliant silo]

ST below that threshold to not waste energy

It’s less ideal spending than envenom

[quasi stump]

6 db

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah sb is for aoe when you're energy flooded

Sucks in st

[quasi stump]

for a run where I was making an active effort to not rely on hekili

i think thats pretty alright

[umbral sierra]

so sanguine blades not worth for st and just send mut+envenom spams

[normal mist]

in low keys its kinda "impossible" to check how much you can do

[quasi stump]

well i got a 8 gb so

[proper hare]

at least you dont keep getting this or sv

[umbral sierra]

idk man wake is legit my favorite key this season

[cobalt sphinx]

i like sv

[spice surge]

Wake is fine

[crisp burrow]

do the extra seconds from subterfuge work with iron wire?

[spice surge]

But dawn is a banger

[waxen oyster]

wake is fun as sin

big spatters

[spice surge]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

[crisp burrow]

nice

[spice surge]

It doesnt extend the silence, but you can silence upto 12 seconds after leaving stealth

[merry bison]

Even on +13 SoB you won’t do any dps because you are not able to ramp on the first two pulls, you have a shami, dk or ret in the group = ggs

[spice surge]

The silences are still 5s

[crisp burrow]

thanks

[proper hare]

its fine i just pref mist/db

prob my favs atm

and ara kara ofc

[umbral sierra]

I hate mist bc of the stupid maze

im legit like, oh this and this and that means this way... and by the time im walking into it someone else sent us all to the start

[proper hare]

i always have someone i know healing so i dont need to think about it

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah wow players and kindergarten puzzles don't mix well

[umbral sierra]

i wouldnt mind it if i didnt have to go sit on the statue to see what symbol it is XD

[proper hare]

true and based

[pliant gazelle]

I might miss something, of it might be normal, but why does the quick sim only apply rupture on the second target at 40s ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kuVJUey2uGEt4Ppv8tkdfS

[umbral sierra]

then when u ping a statue for someone to go see it they go "oop this the way" proceeds to walk through the wrong door

[proper hare]

i know how it works just annoying to sit on them instead of having a healer just soloing them

[drowsy hatch]

Nah I'm messing. People who fuck up the guessing game are hilarious though

[umbral sierra]

honestly if it just outright killed u for picking wrong and didnt tp the party back i think that would be best

[proper hare]

i did the first few keys since i havent played retail since wod xdd

so i was a bit confused at first glance

[pliant silo]

Pugging mists, nobody hits the right guessing game until pinged

Kinda sus

At 12+

[drowsy hatch]

Makes me want to ping the wrong one

And just see if they go for it

[pliant silo]

Lmfao you could EASILY brick keys with that tech

People would hit it

[regal cape]

Is this actually worth a lot

[pliant silo]

That is a funny ass idea actually

[regal cape]

Im being hella whispered

[brave comet]

what are the stats that i should put on my crafted dagger?

[grim jay]

I always die inside if the healer doesnt do the puzzle

[pliant silo]

Bis @regal cape

Every class

[proper hare]

yes

[nimble vector]

sim it, but probably crit / mastery

[regal cape]

Im likely keeping this right

[pliant silo]

You want it

Tbh

[regal cape]

simming

[pliant silo]

Unless you want gold, done for the season etc

[umbral sierra]

nah vers haste 100%
im memeing dont listen to me

[pliant silo]

Or you can sell it and need on all future ones!

[gritty laurel]

won't the game prevent trading it if he doesn't have a high water mark of 626 on neck without it?

[proper hare]

i would use that in a heart beat so send it over

[gritty laurel]

or am i still previous expansion brained?

[nimble vector]

that's only personal loot - stuff from end of keys for example, things won by rolling can be traded to anyone in the group

[weary spear]

anyone find a solution to not hitting like a wet napkin on bosses in high keys

[drowsy hatch]

That's just how the class is

Or the spec rather

[umbral sierra]

am i looking for rupture on just 3 targets in say a 6 target pack or should i just be fan rupture tab fan rupture etc to maintain 6 while spreading garrote on cd across 3 mobs

[coral ibex]

always maintain as many stacks of scent of blood as you can, up to 20

ie 5 ruptured targets

[umbral sierra]

rgr

also in aoe opener if i have darknight proc, it would be like from stealth. gar, rup, ct, tab to a tar with 0 bleed gar rup then go to the target i wanna mark and go from there? also does the aoe rup prioritize hitting targets with no rupture at all or will it just hit whatever

[charred helm]

it prioritized targets without rupture yes

same goes for garrote

[drowsy hatch]

That's why you don't really have to tab if you don't want

[charred helm]

if its a 5 mob pack you can just double garrote/rupture the prio

[drowsy hatch]

Also you should slap down your darkest night sooner

Since you're losing stack consumption by rupturing with it down

[coral ibex]

if you have 7cp and DN going into a pack, just envenom first

then spread bleeds

[snow grail]

anyone have a standalone slice and dice weak aura

[drowsy hatch]

For what purpose

[snow grail]

because soemtimes i forget to reapply it if i die and run back

[quasi ingot]

you envenom so much you dont need to track it

[proper hare]

just envenom

[drowsy hatch]

Envenom puts it on auto

[snow grail]

oh does it?

[drowsy hatch]

Never need to hit it

[proper hare]

yeah 2 weeks ago now ish

[snow grail]

wow, what talent does that?

[proper hare]

baseline

[drowsy hatch]

Cut to the chase baseline

[snow grail]

amazing

[inner scroll]

quick question , when im simming top gear and just switching mainhand and offhand weapon but also selecting diferent gems, does it show me the best gem to use ? I feel like having less haste (~6%) gone full into mastery and crit

[proper hare]

if you have diff gems selected in the gem section it auto switchtes to whatever is best

afaik

[inner scroll]

okay so it's really mastery/crit gem for me

[proper hare]

yeah i have some crit/haste mast/haste rest is just straight mast/crit

[inner scroll]

just felt wierd in ST when having less haste , specc feels really cluncky sometimes when no tea is rdy and just 1 target to bleed

[proper hare]

!haste

nvm

its like 2 action per minute change

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[iron valve]

there's an option in raidbots results to show all similar combos, if you want to check the difference between gems

[proper hare]

i just go for the "best" suggested and call it a day

[inner scroll]

alright will check it out thx

[proper hare]

usually right but its not the end of the world

[cyan surge]

Are any of the BRD weapons worth farming/buying?

[drowsy hatch]

No

[coral ibex]

no

[inner scroll]

felt like thats my prob in ST situations when im spamming too fast

[proper hare]

alts yes main no

[drowsy hatch]

It's a very common issue

Assa m+ St is low apm

Raid is less low apm but still not fast

[inner scroll]

alright thank you senpaiS 😉

have a good night all 😗

[spice spire]

np

[crystal helm]

!trinkets

!trinket

[spice spire]

Wat

[crystal helm]

tried to see if theres a command for it

[spice spire]

For what specific

[crystal helm]

What are the preferred trinkets for m+ and for raids?

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[proper hare]

skardyns/spyglass

[spice spire]

Wowhead even has a list tieredf for you

[proper hare]

myth spyglass, im a ritual knife hero track enjoyer still

[spice spire]

Spyglass isn’t the end all be all but it’s good

[proper hare]

yeah its just really good if you get it

im still "stuck" on champions skardyns w hero track ritual knife

[scarlet meadow]

does a guide for rogue util in each m+ dungeon exist? like you can vanish this cast here, cloak is high value here etc

[coral ibex]

no because such a guide would be entirely crowdsourced and therefore take a lot of effort

i think such a guide used to exist in past expansions

[drowsy hatch]

People try

[coral ibex]

and fell out of relevance bc of the effort to maintain

[drowsy hatch]

Or used to try

[cobalt sphinx]

it probably wouldn't be hard at all, people just dgaf

it's 8 dungeons every few months

[drowsy hatch]

It's both not that rewarding to put out and takes decent effort

[scarlet meadow]

yeah totally, the DK wowhead page has one for m+ bosses which is fairly light touch. im a reroller so just trying to catch up in knowledge ^^

[spice spire]

Ag probably the most common one is the first boss of NW, seems like a cloaker but is an evasion

But first second of cloak also works for reasons

[scarlet meadow]

damn evasion works on that? literally just came out of a nw12 lol

[spice spire]

Yep

[cobalt sphinx]

evasion and intervene

[drowsy hatch]

It's quicker to learn the exceptions or weird parts usually

Cause at least I find cloak is pretty intuitive

[spice spire]

Yeah

It definitely is

Idk why it’s so crangled now

[upper oak]

is there any way to catch up on nerubian finery?

[cobalt sphinx]

as long as you can identify what is a physical aoe

screeches and thrashing

[spice spire]

It’s a physical aoe but spits nature damage

It’s a wild one

That one

Perplexes me to the second

Roars and whatever make sense whatever

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah physical damage to your eardrums

the two big boys before ingra maloch could go either way

[drowsy hatch]

NW first boss is just a weirdo

[atomic finch]

guys does anyone know how much the difrence between damage is on outlaw vs assas

[cobalt sphinx]

in what content

[atomic finch]

m+

[spice spire]

He just like me fr

[spice spire]

Not that much especially if you’re better at one than the other

[atomic finch]

im playing outlaw currently i dont get how a ret pal can do 1.23m avg on same ilvl and im on 807k

[cobalt sphinx]

ret paladin owns

braindead easy execution and great damage

[quartz spear]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cobalt sphinx]

sin is better than outlaw but outlaw is completely fine and does great damage still

[atomic finch]

mhhh oke oke

[feral mason]

law can outdps a ret no problem

Ret just has less skill ceiling

[deep sorrel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[drowsy hatch]

God I love wake of ashes

[spice spire]

I prefer wake of ass(assination)es

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think i will ever outdamage our ret short of me tricksing mobs onto him to kill him

he does like 2.1m overall every key and i'm behind at like 2-2.05

my copioum is that sin funnel is better damage and i am 40-50% of the group's damage to big targets

[torpid lion]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[runic dirge]

did the sin rogue changes effect much of the rotation other than removing echoing reprimand?

or is it still pretty much the same opener / prio otherwise

[covert lichen]

Is 2x 639 weps with crit embelish better than 639 + 626 ascension embelishment?

[cobalt sphinx]

sounds like a question for simulationcraft

[shy creek]

damn

Question: How do we play around sanguine baldes in single target, do we care about it?

[stray adder]

you get energy starved and you cry

[nimble vector]

you don't play sanguine blades in ST

[shy creek]

You have an excellent point, I was also just looking at that LOL

[nimble vector]

but still if you were to take it, you don't play around it because more envenoms is better than optimising sanguine damage

[cobalt sphinx]

you do have sanguine blades on single target if it's part of your dungeon build

you just have to hover perfectly below 150 and above 30 energy 🙂

[shy creek]

How much energy do we go into kingbane with

[stray adder]

some people run it, I personally don't like it but it does pump a lot in AoE

[nimble vector]

^

[shy creek]

I've only erally noticed these weird optimizations thigs where I dont understand rogue at all

Despite being 2900 io LMAO

Im like huh i am missing something arent i

[drowsy hatch]

Eh

[shy creek]

Not having extra damage from the affix really fucks with me in 12s/13s

[drowsy hatch]

It's not that deep

Even if you're not really caring about playing around auto tea and sb etc

The difference is pretty minor as long as envenom is up

[shy creek]

Yeah the only reason I noticed it is because often times I'm getting chain pulled into bosses

and I'm like, my damage is far too low for this

[stray adder]

I mean pulling trash on boss is pretty good for sanguine

[grizzled geyser]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[shy creek]

Idk, it might just be the issue of pug tanking, where they chain pull super low mobs that I didn't refresh rupture on, so im running int o bosses on low energy

After that I can't seem to get my energy up at all, and I'm struggling to refresh envenom on the same timer that my pandemics are coming up

[ebon geyser]

Is Treacherous Transmitter a good trinket for us?

[stray adder]

honestly if you notice your tank is bad at chain pulling, just pool a little bit before boss

ik the struggle though

[livid spear]

any mistakes spottet would be apreciated

[drowsy hatch]

Do you want to play the minigame

[ebon geyser]

is it a pain in the ass the mini game?

[drowsy hatch]

Moderately. Not that bad.

If you want to minigame, yeah transmitter is good. Prob sims highest st of any for most people

[shy creek]

Yeah its giga cringe LOL

I think honestly maybe I just spammed keys on the haste buff last week, and I got too used to the haste regeneration cuz I was pushing 11's

then i lost the haste buff last week, and everything felt really weird

[mighty vine]

in M+ it regularly puts the orb/transmitter in bad so you just can't get the buff. Jump 3 times is the easiest one

[ebon geyser]

yah i see , im talking about raid tho

[west crown]

Spatter too low

[left jay]

Hello! I'm brand new to assa rogue (to rogue in general) and I'm kinda struggling with the AOE section of the spec (I guess it's a commong thing)
I specifically struggle with reapplying all of the dots on all the targets when they're about to expire
Like, one/two target, ez, but 5/more, it's uh, tedious
so I know we can always vanish -> reapply everything, but outside of vanish, do you guys have any advice about this? :'>

[west crown]

Fan of knives and rupture to 5 targets

Resume envenom

Garrote main target

[karmic gazelle]

Dracthyr Assassination good for someone who want to main rogue from 8-80 ?

[left jay]

garrote only on the main target?

[west crown]

Yeah

[left jay]

ooh okay okay

[west crown]

Without Iron wire it’s not that big of a deal to spread it

[drowsy hatch]

Nothing special.

But race has very little impact anyways so just be pretty

[left jay]

OH and about shiv, I see that almost all of the guides talk about the double shiv, but I think we don't play with 2 stacks now
so do we need to apply it at the end of kingsbane (like the last 8sec)? Or at the start

[drowsy hatch]

Always at the end with 1.

Raid always takes 2, M+ never takes 2

[umbral sierra]

not me casting it 1 gcd before kb, but thats also muscle memory for me from pvp

[left jay]

okayy

Thanks for you answers!

And when kingsbane is on cd, I guess we use shiv on cd

[umbral sierra]

yeah u get 2 shivs for every kb if u use on cd

[left jay]

That's what I thought, noyce

[drowsy hatch]

Just don't desync them to the extent that you're missing shiv on kb

[left jay]

Mhm

Gosh, that's a lot of tracking in aoe

[drowsy hatch]

A lot of the time you'll just be able to apply your bleeds and spatter til the pack is dead

So it isn't that bad

[umbral sigil]

this game is so fucked, im 600 il with 0 io and they declined me immediately

[left jay]

So not a lot of reapplying everything to 20420492429 mobs?

[drowsy hatch]

Nah. Rupture value caps at 5 anyways

[jaunty lotus]

Try looking for a big Pampers group

[drowsy hatch]

And garrote outside of imp gar isn't really worth spreading

Besides your main target

[left jay]

lovely

[umbral sigil]

Impgar is my fathers name

[drowsy hatch]

Plus it has a CD then

[umbral sierra]

yeah outside imp u can only have 3 gar up at a time

man i will say nelf is bis for m+ getting a 2nd vanish when the tank just chain pulls and i cant drop combat to get imp gar and carnage going

[west crown]

Unless your groups dps is low, you shouldn’t have to reapply until the 10 range

[left jay]

okayy, so I'll have time to get used to the rota before needing to worry about all that

[umbral sierra]

On wow hjead for keys, it shows bis main hand is splice n dice while oh is parson's. Why would we not just use 2x splice n dice since it has better stats

[west crown]

Bis lists depend on every other piece of gear and their stat balances to be “bis”

Sim yourself

[umbral sierra]

Ye i get that just curious why they were recommending the other dagger if ideal stat wise outside sims splice is better

[stray adder]

the answer is always sim

[lavish geyser]

do you macro deathmark? to something

[west crown]

Macro skardyns and potions to it

[umbral sierra]

its on gcd so i dont

[drowsy hatch]

The real answer to why the bis list is weird is cause Whispyr is forced to write it even though it's dumb

[umbral sierra]

but yeah trinkets and potions etc

[lavish geyser]

oh ok

[umbral sierra]

true. tbh it should just be like ideal items

[lavish geyser]

does the 1hr ttot still work?

[stray adder]

Different strokes for different folks

[drowsy hatch]

Assa doesn't have trickster

[balmy condor]

cause it's not ideal stat-wise

"ideal stat-wise" itself is already a dumb concept

the entire premise is cooked from the start

you get a dagger that has 300 haste instead of 300 mast or whatever

[umbral sierra]

yeah i come from pvp where the idea is stack vers and mastery and call it a day

[balmy condor]

the difference there is already less than 100 dps

but even if it were more than that

you could just swap ring enchants/gems

[lavish geyser]

oh, lol XD

[balmy condor]

and GGWP

[umbral sierra]

big true

[balmy condor]

you have the same stats

the entire problem of bis lists is not only do you need all the items

but you can also mix and match

like actually dozens of items

[lavish geyser]

since assa isnt insta big dmg, you dont need to use tott, right?=

[drowsy hatch]

Well I won't get into that discussion too deeply

[grim glen]

is there a macro for ambush/mutilate? I assume that works only for a stance condition, but not blindside?

[drowsy hatch]

Since that's a point of contention

[pliant silo]

tott can be precast and allows very slightly more aggressive play aka UPTIME

WE LIKE UPTIME

[umbral sigil]

mut turns to ambush when procced now

[balmy condor]

like lets say your rings/neck "ideally" are 10k crit, 3k mast, and 5k haste

your neck can be 5k haste and 1k crit, as long as your rings get the crit/mast remaining. The sikran neck does this for example. Or you can get the mists neck, which is 3k crit 3k mast, and then have say the broodtwister ring, which is 5k haste

like

[drowsy hatch]

But many people feel tott isn't necessary. Some do, it's run in high keys, etc. it's a choice

[balmy condor]

just within those 3 items

you can already make like 7-8 "bis" combinations

but now you also have crafted gear to choose stats on

and enchants to choose stats on

and gems to choose stats on

and boots

and belt

and your mainhand dagger

[pliant silo]

Yeah if you don’t macro it at all, mut gets straight up replaced by ambush on your bars when blindside procs

[balmy condor]

you have a skardyns? Value of mastery is going down

you have a transmitter? Value of haste is going down

[lavish geyser]

ye but like how will you gain aggro, I can easily use it, I just wondered if I was even needed

[balmy condor]

not a lot, but enough to sway an item slot or 2

and that's enough to fuck any concept of a "bis" list

[drowsy hatch]

Relative to sub or outlaw, no

[coral ibex]

you literally can't cast mutilate with blindside proc up just fyi

[stray adder]

when your tank is bad

[drowsy hatch]

But if you're running into issues a where you are being meleed

Yeah swap to it

It's utility in the end y'know, gotta adjust to what you're seeing

[livid spear]

whispyr, can you guide me ?

started assa couple of weeks ago... struggeling especially on st, and deciding on when to spread or caustic instead

[umbral sierra]

Feast of the Midnight Masquerade is there a single person food that gives this buff?

[stray adder]

no way this guy is called Paidmember with a brazzers pfp

crazy work

[hallow pelican]

BiS stat priority is a 4D graph. W X Y and Z axis ... for example crit becomes really good at X Haste and Y Mastery and Z versatility. and those stats work other ways as well. Nothing is nailed down

[livid spear]

if u know, u know

[balmy condor]

this looks fine, crimson tempest might be a bit low

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah ct being below rupture is off

[livid spear]

do i pool for envenom up time on st? struggeling ST..

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[balmy condor]

single target sucks on assa

[drowsy hatch]

I swear we need an extra pin for m+ st energy

[balmy condor]

it just be like that

[drowsy hatch]

This comes up sooooo much lol

[stray adder]

i agree

[balmy condor]

I mean idk what to say about it tbh

[livid spear]

tnx tho, but sorry spam if everyone asks xd

[balmy condor]

spec can't be doing insane aoe

but also insane single target

then it's just op

[lavish geyser]

one you are done with indiscriminate carnage, do you wanna reapply on differnt targets, or just try to use stealth to reapply it that way?

[stray adder]

why not

[drowsy hatch]

It's fine just know you aren't alone

[balmy condor]

so it does insane aoe and then meh single target

but m+ is a brainrot gamemode where no matter how good a spec is, people will never be happy

so

[stray adder]

I'm very content with the state of sin right now

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[stray adder]

it's so fun

[livid spear]

as long as i know am not really scuffing my self, and its design am ok with it

[balmy condor]

yah not you specifically

[stray adder]

just don't ask about auto tea

[coral ibex]

you can adjust your m+ talents to be more ST/prio dam focused

[stray adder]

and you'll be fine

[drowsy hatch]

You'd have to give up so much aoe to have moderately better single target

[balmy condor]

but it's like over the last year, we've seen the rise and fall of so many m+ trends it's crazy

[livid spear]

i know auto tea is not big dif, but i have to say i hate it. xD

[coral ibex]

im thinking about dropping sbs for dashing, could be cooking too much

[drowsy hatch]

I looked into that

[balmy condor]

we need prio damage!!!!!!!!!

deathstalker gives insane prio damage

okay we need less prio damage things are dying too fast!!!!!!!!!!!

assa aoe goes crazy, CT gets huge buffs

okay but boss damage sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

assa isn't brought for boss, it's brought for control from iron wire and overall dps

I'm untalenting iron wire who needs this shit!!!!!!!!!!!

.....

[drowsy hatch]

But the overall damage loss seemed so high since you also have to drop sd or ma or sb

[keen spruce]

[coral ibex]

you hate to see it

[keen spruce]

it's heroic it's jokes

don't hurt me

[balmy condor]

truly hate to see it

[keen spruce]

ily

[livid spear]

hahahaha

[thorn thorn]

Realest shit I ever read

[stray adder]

that new IW trend is so cringe

[broken sandal]

With the new M+ build taking subterfuge, are we just sending vanish every KB window?

[balmy condor]

you can if you'd like I guess

most of the time in m+ you're going to want to use vanish for the aoe

on bosses you can vanish for deathmark

but after that, back to aoe

[plush horizon]

any sin streamers to watch?

[coral ibex]

nah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[livid spear]

zeroo

[drowsy hatch]

I only watch BIG FLIPPA

[thorn thorn]

On the topic of vanish, should I be using Vanish in raid st? What benefit does it provide?

[keen spruce]

zero, casual, whispyr, zac

[balmy condor]

you wanna see some psychotic logs? My logs from this week are legitimately bipolar

[drowsy hatch]

Ma during deathmark / kb

[coral ibex]

vanish for master assassin uptime during deathmark/kingsbane

[balmy condor]

rank 6 kyveza, not even a 90 on sikran

[coral ibex]

you want master assassin to cover as much of the 2nd half of kingsbane as possible

[balmy condor]

[livid spear]

whispyr, i changes order on some stuff in core units of ur WA. but now envenom placement is rly scuffed. anyway tto get this to always align again after swapping pcases with stuff ?

[balmy condor]

you'd have to align the LE envenom manually

[keen spruce]

I didn't beat some of my parses from when I Was 623 today

[livid spear]

yeah but i have to re align every time i swap to raid talents xd

[balmy condor]

what

[keen spruce]

i'm fkin washed

[balmy condor]

where does your envenom go

the envenom on LE just goes there

[livid spear]

ill show u sec

m+ is fine, then when i swap its over kingsbane

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah you're fucked

[real pike]

Think it's legit getting harder to parse the same on some bosses cause adds are dying quicker on some bosses

[balmy condor]

gl

[livid spear]

hahahha

tyty

[real pike]

Some of my parses have higher today % than initial

[stray adder]

Whispyr has logged off.

[balmy condor]

I guess you could make two copies

and then make them load

based on talents picked

[livid spear]

damn ur insane

tnx

perfect. am stupid not thinking about that

[real pike]

Are your vods available to watch

[livid spear]

anyways, i dont know how to play st annyways. only 2 weeks into assa, and have just went m+ spec everywhere xd

[balmy condor]

it's just the envenom bars are themselves a group, and the icons I use are a dynamic group, so they shift around

but you can't put a group in a dynamic group

so it's doomed

[livid spear]

ye np solved

[drowsy hatch]

St is way easier anyways

[balmy condor]

yes

[real pike]

On twitchypoo? I don't know streamer culture xd

[livid spear]

so who has the best st guide? is it in your yt vids whisp?

[balmy condor]

twitch/youtube

I stream on both, vods are up on both

[real pike]

Tyty

[keen spruce]

pretty sure i should jsut go full ST with spatter on ovinax now

[drowsy hatch]

No spreading ic whatever shit, 1 less finisher on most fights, way more energy regen

[keen spruce]

I can't even hit CT on the parasites sometimes

cuz they die in like a global

[real pike]

Yeah you gotta make sure you're set up for them fo sho

Parses are legit averaging lower think this is Ulgrax

[livid spear]

if i go fatebound on st do i just macro cold blood?

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah to kb

[livid spear]

so super ez mode then xD

[drowsy hatch]

It is 0 brain mode

[livid spear]

perfect

how many % ddiff tho

[drowsy hatch]

Use left over braincells to count flips

In pure st fatebound should be a gain

[livid spear]

honestly, raiding with no guild, even pugging mythic is so boring anyways so braindead spec is perfect for me

[oak eagle]

i thought in fatebound CB only works with Envenom?

[drowsy hatch]

It does, you do it with kb cause your shivs will be running for your next 2 envenoms

[oak eagle]

ahh that makes sense

[livid spear]

btw do we ever use poisoned knife ?

[snow hamlet]

Why the envenom buff be gone sometime in this week? Has this happened to anyone?

[coral ibex]

nah

[coral ibex]

could be envenom munching

if you apply an envenom with a shorter timer than the current envenom it can just disappear, if i understand the behavior

[snow hamlet]

What?

[coral ibex]

check this #assassination message

[balmy condor]

no

can take it off your bars

[coral ibex]

ok listen i have a use case

[livid spear]

good. never pressed once

[worldly sail]

i use it when i think my parse is going to be too high

[coral ibex]

grim batol

you are fixated and have to get off the dragon

[thick sail]

It's useful in pvp

[drowsy hatch]

Issue is then you're pvping

[coral ibex]

we dont do that here

[drowsy hatch]

Nah go off I trust

[livid spear]

does anny1 have a working meld. stealth macro ? currently using :

/stopattack
/cast Shadowmeld
/cast !Stealth

seems so unreliable

[coral ibex]

nah i play belf

[drowsy hatch]

Shadowmeld is just unreliable

[bronze dune]

i use poison knife?

[coral ibex]

though im thinking about dracthyr

a lot

[drowsy hatch]

Doesn't work in bosses and you have to be on the other side of the universe to use it on mobs

[bronze dune]

i tricks a random dps in raid and throw knives at trash lol

[primal yoke]

Noob question here. I don't really understand the Kingsbane window. Anyone willing to message me on the side and explain it?

[balmy condor]

okay but why

[drowsy hatch]

I mean I can but it's pretty much just slamming envenoms and have shiv running

And spatter if youre aoe

[primal yoke]

Is the goal to use as many envenoms as possible or just maintain the buff the entire time?

[snow hamlet]

Ty this looks kind of bad

[drowsy hatch]

Maintain the buff is most important but since shiv will help your envenoms try to slam more

[coral ibex]

well yea it is bad to lose your envenom buff

[balmy condor]

the goal is more poisons

[drowsy hatch]

And ofc if you have ttk try to keep both buffs running

[bronze dune]

i tricks a random dps in raid and throw knives at trash lol

[balmy condor]

the only way to get poisons is the envenom buff

[balmy condor]

bruh

[primal yoke]

So you just don't wanna go energy starved and unable to slam Env and maintain buff

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah maintaining the buff is priority #1

If you have more energy to envenom more do it, you will in raid build, prob won't in m+ st

[stray adder]

the longer the fight goes in M+, the worse it gets lmao

[drowsy hatch]

Feel free to be conservative and just maintain in that case lol. Don't energy overcap ofc but I don't need to say that

And I doubt it would happen

[primal yoke]

Oh my bad yeah I'm talking from a M+ perspective. Struggling on some of these single target bosses

[ivory leaf]

when we get darkest night d o we use max cp on next envenom?

[drowsy hatch]

Yes

[stray adder]

yeah you have to

[ivory leaf]

then we FOK after pretty much right?

[drowsy hatch]

It's normal to be energy starved. Focus on keeping envenom up

[umbral sierra]

guaruntee crit 60% more dam 40 energy and applies mark

[stray adder]

you FoK with a Ctw proc

on ST

[drowsy hatch]

You pretty much fok immediately after since that procs it yeah

Only reason you wouldn't is if there's an imminent add spawn

[ivory leaf]

ok like queen's circles for example

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah you're cool to save it. I think it's like 15 secs?

[ivory leaf]

and assuming envenom wont fall off too then

[drowsy hatch]

Well you can just st like normal

Til you use it

[ivory leaf]

true but if im capped just by happen stance.....?

[primal yoke]

BiS gear vs BiS gear which spec is better in a single target fight, sin or sub?

[drowsy hatch]

Wdym by by capped

[balmy condor]

sin by like 0.9% I guess

[ivory leaf]

on CB

[balmy condor]

very strange question though honestly

[drowsy hatch]

Well yeah you just envenom

You have plenty of time to ctw

[primal yoke]

Just a curiosity question

[crisp burrow]

what build are you guys running for subterfuge

im liking it tbh

saw one here but had MA and no sanguine

so idk if its better to take sanguine

[drowsy hatch]

There's like 7 combinations

-sd -sb +ma +ttk, -sd +ma, - doomblade - sbs + ma + ttk

Pins have some of the build logic

[pallid bough]

Sub (DS) also has a bug

Which makes it high

But also who cares just play whatever u find fun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121880917579923458/1220267087805550602/RDT_20240321_0756331218943338822063623.gif

[balmy condor]

true

[stray adder]

as long as its not outlaw

[pallid bough]

Even outlaw!

I am gonna play that when Queen is dead

Playstyle looks fun

[stray adder]

you're gonna take that back rq

[pallid bough]

Nope

[umbral sigil]

delete this now

[pallid bough]

Nah

[bronze dune]

ill play sub when danse macabre gets binned

[stray adder]

are you above 30 yo hollow?

[pallid bough]

Ya but I am also a fucking gamer

[stray adder]

yeah nah

your hands

will not tolerate outlaw

[pallid bough]

I don’t think you understand

[drowsy hatch]

This is my life with sub too

[pallid bough]

I have played outlaw in the past man

[drowsy hatch]

Danse macabre is yucky

[pallid bough]

LMAO

[stray adder]

stop living in the past, you're old now

[bronze dune]

bring back legion sub

[umbral sigil]

im over 30 and mained fury in s1 and 2 DF

[bronze dune]

those were the good old days

[umbral sigil]

just built different

[stray adder]

forcing yourself to play a target capped spec is bananazzzz

[umbral sigil]

cant feel the wrists hurting when im 3 whiskeys and 6 beers deep on raid night

[pallid bough]

I have literally played outlaw in DF

It’s the same lmao

[stray adder]

high APM is a bad mix with arthritis

[pallid bough]

Also my wrist were already gone when I was playing OW 16 hrs a day

I will be fine

[drowsy hatch]

Just play thunder outlaw

[stray adder]

trueee

[pallid bough]

My mental and sanity already non existent

That’s why I ask Whispyr dumb questions

[stray adder]

stop dragging him into your evil plans

[pallid bough]

Nah my evil plan would be convert him to play deadlock

https://tenor.com/view/lil-bro-raccoon-evil-plan-plotting-something-mischievous-gif-13052280088097666134

[errant swallow]

!wa

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[crisp compass]

😡 why is hekili randomly blank sometimes and I just sit there

[umbral sigil]

why are you using hekili is the real question

[stray adder]

might as well just bot

[umbral sigil]

poison-bleeds-envenom

its that easy

bleeds-poison-envenom*

[crimson zephyr]

is assa in general more of an easier dps to play or harder in m+?

[pallid bough]

Easier

[uncut sluice]

it's relatively easier imo

[errant swallow]

It's easy to play, hard to master.

I love it tho

[pallid bough]

Barrier to entry is very easy imo

Compared to the other specs

[drowsy hatch]

Is this comparing to sub and outlaw or other dps broadly

[stray adder]

bro it's much harder than ret

[uncut sluice]

but a lot of it depends on what you find hard - its a lot of watching timers for bleeds and what not - some people find that harder to track than hitting extra buttons

[drowsy hatch]

Just asking since I'm not familiar with other classes as much

[stray adder]

outlaw is the hardest for sure

[pallid bough]

Oh I assumed compared to other specs

Not classes

My b

[drowsy hatch]

Ok that's fine just making sure since I agree based on my knowledge

Then

[limber coral]

This is the only problem that’s taking more time for me to understand, getting used to tracking bleeds is my hurdle atm. I find myself missing much for kicks because I’m just trying to maintain uptime. Overall I’m loving though coming from DH.

[crimson zephyr]

oh I just notice how many mistakes I make and I think to be really good you also kinda need to know the dungeon in m+ to plan a bit. I mean I think of being good not average when I asked that 😄

and I never really played much else

I found raiding/ST way easiert than m+ - but I'm also very new to m+ so

[drowsy hatch]

Nah st assa is genuinely easy

M+ adds a lot

[glass fulcrum]

!wa

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[fickle jasper]

w hats the name of the embellishment ?

[drowsy hatch]

Is it not just blessed weapon grip lmao

[fickle jasper]

xd

i have candy

[scarlet wyvern]

how much ST dps is normal in a M+ bossfight for assa? (without Aug) in +13/14/15 keys

[fickle jasper]

i had a 630 assa in my +14 GB today and they did 700k

[scarlet wyvern]

so thats normal?

[cobalt sphinx]

Like 900

900-1m i think

Depends on buffs and fight length too obviously

[drowsy hatch]

Tldr yes assa St in m+ is bad

[scarlet wyvern]

i always get flamed by pugs in m+ in bossfights

while overall i do 1.8-2

they never look at my overall and always insult me at boss

like wtf..

[drowsy hatch]

Pugs are fucking stupid more news at 4

[sturdy python]

Does anyone know what kind of logic indiscriminate carnage has, if any? Does it try to apply to mobs that don't already have rupture or garrote on them first, does it do it by proximity, by total health remaining or is it just full on random?

[sullen steppe]

In m+ st how much energy should we pool before sending KB without DM

[scarlet wyvern]

i just simmed myself in ST and it says 820k so what else to do ?

[drowsy hatch]

It will apply to targets without a bleed

[cobalt sphinx]

Timers are so long who cares as long as you aren’t dying

[sturdy python]

So there's no priority beyond doesn't have a bleed? Random outside of that?

[fast mural]

What's the best embelishments in general?

[drowsy hatch]

Might be proximity to mt after that but I'd need someone else to confirm

Don't think I've seen someone worth about that

[scarlet wyvern]

we were fighting Generall Umbriss and we wiped because tank just got 1shot and all started flaming me "wTf RoGuE?! 800k DpS dOgShiT clAss"

[drowsy hatch]

Worry*

But anecdotally it seems my garrote silences are close, so I'd guess proximity.

[cobalt sphinx]

Lol

[sturdy python]

Yeah would make sense, I guess my primary question was regarding whether it tries to apply on non-bled targets

Regardless, target switching would therefore be optimal because that would be at least one extra free rupture and garrote

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah that's more important. So 2 ruptures on one target gets you the full scent stacks

It is more optimal to do that, just don't lose your mark

[sturdy python]

Yep noted, ty

[drowsy hatch]

So if you are or it's just annoying it's perfectly fine to just sit on 1 big boy

[scarlet wyvern]

are there any macros for rogue for efficient mob interrupts?

[quasi stump]

great news everyone

my 6 cot

depleted to a 5 cot

[urban lily]

any reason to run forced induction on bloodbound? @balmy condor

[quasi stump]

i think this week is just cursed for me

[balmy condor]

does good damage

[urban lily]

better than 2 lethality?

[balmy condor]

idk probably

forced induction is like 0.2% better for basically everyone I looked at

so I just changed all the raid builds to use that instead

[sturdy python]

just sim yourself, it can also depend on your own stats and loadout

[worldly sail]

forced induction believers

[spare flame]

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[slate crown]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/buffs-to-many-racial-abilities-in-patch-11-0-7-349535?utm_source=discord-webhook for all the pings whispyr is going to get about race sims

[novel star]

holy void elf buffs

the cooking continues..

[balmy condor]

jumping off a bridge!

[slate crown]

PROFESSION RESPEC OPTION (bruh it's like 3 years too late)

[cobalt sphinx]

NO UNDEAD CHANGES????????????

[balmy condor]

why are we buffing fucking racials in 2024

[subtle cipher]

cuz void elfs are sexy

buff more

[rancid nimbus]

Insane

[drowsy hatch]

Blizzard felt bad about people rolling mechagnomes

[merry bison]

Nelf

[balmy condor]

the funniest thing

is that they're buffing the racials

but the issue isn't that they're weak

the issue is that they don't cheese shit

[bronze dune]

all races matter

[novel star]

look man i dont gaf about any of the damage buffs i just got happy seeing usability buff to velf and ignored the rest

i get much joy from pressing velf racial

and now there will be more

[balmy condor]

like wowee now nightborne is an 80% slow and not 50%

but does it remove a mechanic from ansurek like gnome does? Does it remove mechanics from m+ like nelf? Does it remove an entire fucking debuff like dwarf?

no

it doesn't

[coral ibex]

my guild is raging about ovinax weakauras

[balmy condor]

so they stillf ucking suck

[novel star]

Yeah

[coral ibex]

they're just mad that this fight is what it is

and we're going nowhere

[novel star]

my guild is uhh

not going to be my guild very soon

[cobalt sphinx]

Blood elf racial is still worth millions of gold so i can’t swap

[novel star]

missed 2 and a half raid nights of the last 4

to fucking idiots jumpscaring absence

instead of actually calling out early

i want blood

how hard is it 2 press left mouse twice on the wowaudit bot bro

Anyways

[novel star]

Yea ovinax is just dogshit idk i cant blame them rly

[strange python]

!mark

[worldly sail]

🥚 we love ovinax

[novel star]

rhythm of the fight isnt terrible its just

a visual nightmare and weakaura bosses are shit in general

[vagrant brook]

my favorite part of ovinax is purple swirlies on purple floor under a fat boss and 10 million adds

[slate crown]

I'm just not thinking about the racial changes just thinking about the reso vs multi change

[strange python]

Guys, has the bug been fixed where you don't get deathstalker combat benefits from DM unless DN is consumed?

[novel star]

just dodge them man

[novel star]

what?

what bug

[strange python]

i.e. do we still open with garrote when DN is active, rather than ambush

[novel star]

we open with garrote when dn is active but thats not a bug

thats just how it works

and ambush is a bad button

so we press garrote instead to not press a bad button

[cobalt sphinx]

I thought multicraft came in smaller amounts and who even cared that it was stronger per point

[slate crown]

The stat itself always came in the same amounts numbers wise

[novel star]

the ambush dn bug is that you dont cycle the mark when u consume dn

[slate crown]

But yes, if multicraft worked on a craft, almost always it was better by miles than reso

[cobalt sphinx]

Value is lower on the blacksmith tree and there’s no enchant

[novel star]

[lament vortex]

lol where is this info at?

ptr wowhead?

or live?

[slate crown]

ptr wowhead

[lament vortex]

aight ty

[upper oak]

whats the strat in necrotic wake with these spears now

[coral ibex]

yea i just hate it

do the fight

[timid pivot]

Excuse me i need a macro for do shadowstep on the alliance battle standar plz

[novel star]

ye true

[strange python]

I feel I'm falling to degen level now.......but why don't we ambush in m+ when DN is up? The first envenom is quite a few globals into the standard AoE opener so would it not be higher value to get the mark and associated deathstalker buffs sooner?

[slate crown]

Idn, multi vs reso is already interesting to me because there's almost always a clear answer on any given craft, but that won't change. It's already the case, if multi doesn't work on a craft, you want reso, and I made 2 tools, one for each stat and swap between them as I craft different things. That's already interesting to me, it doesn't need this shake up to make it more interesting. It's still going to all equilibrate out, because it's a market, so it's not like it's really a "buff" to crafts profit wise. It will just shift some crafts up and some crafts down a bit. BS which is weighted towards very expensive mats will gain benefit, Gem production/crushing will benefit, multi heavy like alchemy will drop a tad. I don't see it as a major shakeup or change, I just don't necessarily agree with their comment.

[strange python]

(I know this has been simcrafted, my minds just blown by another rogue I'm talking too who pumps harder than me xD )

[slate crown]

Like it's fine, I'm ambivalent to it

[coral ibex]

my personal mountain to die on is not wasting raid time on complaining

[strange python]

quicker bleeds is quicker ramp, which I get....but my mind is being confused xD

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah i think it’s fine as is, i have multiple tools for the same profession too and i think it’s fine like that. Plenty of items can’t be multicrafted so it seems balanced enough with resourcefulness being universal. True that the market will always adjust so the change is inconsequential

I actually have a multicraft enchanter alt maxed and that guy doesn’t make SHIT

[slate crown]

I do too

literally only for making mirror powder

which I guess I'll maybe use less now with the multi nerf lol

and DEing but like, neither of those are consequential, it's just minor side benefit

and DEing is barely a benefit it feels like

[bronze dune]

anyone know the dps diff between mana oil and whetstones?

[cobalt sphinx]

DEing would be a lot better if i used AHK but i aint about that life

[sullen steppe]

Sometimes I find I lose DN buff in m+ ST, is this a bug or have i fucked up somewhere?

[bronze dune]

bug

[strange python]

hey for m+ do i use skardyns grace on CD or do i save it for deathmark

[vagrant brook]

i'm taking this from my ass, but imo getting garrotes and ruptures up asap is more damage overall then doing an envenom to get the mark up

yeah you lose like 1 ctw proc by delaying the envenom and some mark dmg but that's not huge when compared to 6+ bleeds rolling

[drowsy hatch]

They are both 2m, use them together

[cyan karma]

Bind them together and use on cool down

[slate crown]

that the new ring has no special effects that require tracking

No janky ass bullshit

[bronze dune]

what ring?

[coral ibex]

one guy keeps fucking up by not having the right weakauras

[slate crown]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/cyrces-circlet-gem-types-and-effects-tww-patch-11-0-7-ptr-349540?utm_source=discord-webhook

[balmy condor]

lowkey kinda hate that they're just copy pasting the 10.0.5 ring

[vagrant brook]

i hate these types of items

[dim shoal]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[crimson current]

wait will they remove elusiveness? didnt understand that

[balmy condor]

no?

[crimson current]

im not understanding that then

[balmy condor]

datamining nonsense

[crimson current]

kk

[balmy condor]

general rule is that unless it's written in a blue post

it's just nonsense

[maiden sierra]

[crimson current]

yea otherwise assa would be ded

[spice spire]

Lowkey?

[balmy condor]

highkey

[bronze dune]

is anyone able to take a quick look at my rash log and tell me why its so shit?

[elfin sapphire]

did you spec splatter

[split veldt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[split veldt]

just updated whispers and it did something fucky

[bronze dune]

i did

[elfin sapphire]

thats all I can do

[maiden sierra]

if the ring comes out before my guild kills queen on mythic, i will be greatly unpleased...
cba farming for a ring that will do 20% of my damage

[elfin sapphire]

👍

[crimson current]

lol

[vagrant brook]

did your raid place adds at the edge of the platform near boss?

[bronze dune]

yeah

they were dying os fast i wasnt able to get too much spatters off

[elfin sapphire]

How many wars?

[bronze dune]

actually none lol

[split veldt]

is the whispyr WA fucked up for anyone else

[elfin sapphire]

[bronze dune]

it was about 125k of my dps

[elfin sapphire]

lemme look at my log

[drowsy hatch]

What's fucked up mine is fine

[crisp burrow]

what about running sub iron wire with sb but no ma?

[hallow pelican]

so... potential gems for the new legendary ring ...

[crisp burrow]

and ttk too

[bronze dune]

im comparing it to some of the top logs and the big diff i see is that my envenoms arent hitting for as much

[drowsy hatch]

Like 80% of the point of subt is MA

[elfin sapphire]

can you send the log

[crisp burrow]

I guess it is

[split veldt]

had two giant blocks over it, but i just re-installed it isntead of updating it and it's good now

[bronze dune]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tRpfV642LFmGM7J3#fight=29&type=damage-done&source=5

[drowsy hatch]

The two blocks over envenom are for ttk usually

Unless it was worse than that

[crisp burrow]

so if you want to run sanguine blades

what do you do., remove ttk?

[drowsy hatch]

Pretty much yeah

[hallow pelican]

The new gem combination for us for the legendary ring is ... Stormbringers, Fathomdwellers, and windsingers? or has this not been simmed yet?

[slate crown]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[balmy condor]

forget simmed yet, they're not even testable dude

[crimson current]

for damage purposes yea

[balmy condor]

what are you talking about

[cyan karma]

So are people unbinding tea altogether and just using the shiv macro for it? Any other use just let it proc by its self??

[hallow pelican]

lol

[crimson current]

but in high keys u dont want it for damage

so its good for garrotes

[royal lantern]

WHERE SIMS

[crimson current]

i dont like playing MA but like the sub for util

[royal lantern]

didnt intend it to be in all caps, but the capslock makes it better

[hallow pelican]

well ... i mean it at least LOOKs like those 3. The damage effects might be interesting though

[balmy condor]

I'll tell you what it's gonna be

it's gonna be the 3 gems that are overtuned

[vagrant brook]

you can manually press it after kingsbane when running only one shiv charge, but otherwise yes

[balmy condor]

it's the exact same blueprint as the 10.0.5 ring

and the exact same nonsense

[royal lantern]

aka, the flat dmg effects

[balmy condor]

you get the 3 gems that end up being too strong cause the number is too high

they do 1-2 rounds of nerfs

and we equip a new set

and gg

[drowsy hatch]

Let me do a ritual to have a dream tonight to get the optimal ring setup

[hallow pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[balmy condor]

idk what you're expecting here

[drowsy hatch]

Then I'll let you know

[balmy condor]

from a patch that's multiple months out

with nothing on ptr

[vagrant brook]

lets all ask blizzard to bring back azerite gear

wasn't that the best

[crimson current]

i would literally uninstall the game

[balmy condor]

we datamined 12 gems out of who knows how many please what's bis

[hallow pelican]

i dunno ... hope and the possibility of fun. deep down i knew it was a longshot

[balmy condor]

[royal lantern]

allright whisp, to distract you from the ring headache

how high are the chances to play fatebound on 4 heroic bosses and 3 mythic ones

and you get the capstone a total of 2 times

[balmy condor]

I ain't doing math man

[drowsy hatch]

50/50

[royal lantern]

:kek

[elfin sapphire]

ill dm you what ive found

[royal lantern]

fuck fatebound man

fuck that tree

[earnest hare]

does bosses in M+ feel like were just waiting for energy like 80% of the time? or am i just misplaying it

[bronze dune]

thanks man

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[earnest hare]

so basically just pooling and keeping envenom up?

[vagrant brook]

would have to know how many finishers, vanishes and deathmarks you cast total, fuck doing all that math kekw

[royal lantern]

yes

[earnest hare]

ty

[strange python]

is there a macro i can use that also pops tempered pots by chance without issues

[worthy lintel]

idk if im reading this right but are they removing the 20% dmg reduction from feint?

[drowsy hatch]

I don't use macros

So idk

[crimson current]

i had the same question

[strange python]

ah kk no worries ty tho

[worthy lintel]

was reading it on wowhead

[balmy condor]

stop reading fucking datamining

[worthy lintel]

seems very unecassary

[balmy condor]

for class changes

[hallow pelican]

lol

[crimson current]

whispyr told its nonsense datamining

so i believe him

[drowsy hatch]

Pin this one

[balmy condor]

killing myself

jesus christ

[worthy lintel]

idk whats datamine it just pops up in news on my discord lol

[drowsy hatch]

Or this one

[vagrant brook]

in game

[balmy condor]

if it's not in bold blue letters, no one cares

[gloomy heart]

Anyone got a KB weakaura?