assassination

[haughty lantern]

dead branches at this point

[pulsar ether]

is there a sweet spot or timing to get an extra shiv in when KB and DM are on cd? when KB is 23 sec before cd or something like that?

[haughty lantern]

to my understanding it's ST vs Cleave

Radiant Power pulls ahead in m+ b/c of how much multitarget their is, but in ST, depths pulls ahead. Typically I just do one of each

[drowsy hatch]

Well it's a 30s CD and kb is a 1 min cd

So if you use it exactly on CD yeah you get a freebie shiv

[royal lantern]

dracthyr is broken?

in what world

[proven jasper]

Dracthyr sucks

[haughty lantern]

idk i thought the knock up/back, the glide and the extra mastery made it strong?

[proven jasper]

on god

[pulsar ether]

ty been playing around with it and wasnt sure if i was just supposed to hold it or not.

[royal lantern]

they only have the knoackback on a long cd

and the "extra mastery" is the same shit as every other stat racial lol

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah it's fine just try not to make yourself delay a kb by getting it too desynced

[royal lantern]

nobody says "belf/worgen are broken cus they have 1% crit"

and thats probs more value then the mastery for most classes

[proven jasper]

Human

[haughty lantern]

i mean, nelf seems pretty stacked to me imo

• 1% crit or haste
• free like 7% movespeed while stealthed
• shadowmeld

[lime echo]

Hello everyone ! someone can switch in dm's to a few questions on assa mono ?

[royal lantern]

scaring you away with something that is to exotic for the average human player

ice cream that is not vanilla

[proven jasper]

Is this

Strawberry?

or

[haughty lantern]

the fact that it is strawberry?

[drowsy hatch]

The point is it's not the most boring version of ice cream

A la humans are the boring race

[royal lantern]

the 1% stat increases dont matter, like nobody cares about thoe AND im sure itss always 1% haste for nelf anyway cus dungeons/raids always count as "night"

stealth movment speed helps you in what way excatly

[royal lantern]

ye

[proven jasper]

meld is overrated af

imo

[haughty lantern]

going fast?

[spice spire]

If you think tryan would ever play elf

[royal lantern]

then i mount?

[haughty lantern]

i like going fast....

[spice spire]

You don’t know the lore

[proven jasper]

Just play sub rogue and you can already go fast

[royal lantern]

quake knows me

death to all elves

[spice spire]

I got the soul read king

Even my mains

[haughty lantern]

but i don't want to be a weeb

[spice spire]

Damn

[austere snow]

Could someone please explain to me what " clipping " means? I'm new to the spec, tried to search for the meaning but nothing really

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[spice spire]

What context

That matters here!

[austere snow]

Clipping envenom or ksb

[proven jasper]

I played undead for like 5 years before i went human i just like i mogs man the mogs!!!

[merry bison]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-halp-gif-14617854

[languid tide]

played gnom since release.. change a toon to human cause i wanted to enjoy transmog

[pliant remnant]

big up dwarf gang

[spice spire]

Ksb being kingsbane?

Assume this is regarding MA?

[haughty lantern]

tbf I made my rogue in like....i think mop? and based him off of Rel Nightwind

[spice spire]

I was a troll until shadowlands

Succumbed to belf greatness

[austere snow]

Yes, idk i've heard on whispyr's clips about clipping envenom and on your reply to someone regarding clipping ksb

[jaunty lotus]

Dwarf is bis

[austere snow]

Idk how much of a min-max thing it is but i'd like to be aware so I don't troll my dps 😄

[spice spire]

So kingsbane and master assassin is easy

[hallow pelican]

Im guessing but the context for "clipping" that youre asking about is spending energy to cast a second spell before the 1st spell has expired. EG - casting rupture and then casting a second rupture before the first one has completely expired. Its bad because it can lessen DPS if the first one was empowered, and it's poor energy management.

[spice spire]

In the final 6s (9/12 pending on subt talents) you want to press vanish: this way your madder assassin buff will hit with the kingsbane final ticks (when you should have max stacks) and higher crit chance for them

[haughty lantern]

Taz Dingo intensifies

[sullen steppe]

do you guys prep crimson tempest on the stitchflesh creation before the boss comes down in NW? just for energy? i also noticed i kinda NEED to keep vanish for the main boss or it won't have deathstalkers mark, right?

[austere snow]

Isn't pandemic a similar word to it? That's also a assa rogue specific one which i've managed to research but i'm not 100%

[wheat bone]

Guys playing with the trinket egg of ovinax, you play it for agility or going for mastery?

[spice spire]

Not in this case

[spice spire]

Primary but you kinda hover 20 stacks

[wheat bone]

20 agi?

[barren linden]

i dont think its matters a lot?

[olive shore]

my brother told me we should play outlaw now, is that so?

[barren linden]

just keep both under 20

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah dude go to outlaw

Actually skip the outlaw part just go enh

[olive shore]

my gut feeling is you dont want me here

[spice spire]

Wtf

She’s a troll

[jaunty dew]

Curious about Rashnan mythic, we got 2x fury and 2x fdk, so adds just melt, consderinng dropping the caustic for the internal bleeding

[drowsy hatch]

The 18% ovr damage nerf from losing flensing knives was too great for my heart

[subtle tundra]

?!?

its 16%

dumbass

misinformation

[drowsy hatch]

Sorry working on literacy issues

Just learned to read a few days ago

[subtle tundra]

yea we can tell

[coral ibex]

yup that’s what i did

if your guild doesn’t drop the adds in rash’s butthole caustic doesn’t hit

[mint creek]

Can shadowmeld act as an extra vanish or is that not really an option? Just switched to nelf

[jaunty dew]

In m+ yes but not on boss fights

You would usually use it for cheesing things

[barren linden]

yea mostly for dot thing

dot kills us kekw

[empty mortar]

Is the transmitter trinket good in M+? thanks for the answers

[mint creek]

Is there a macro somewhere to make it work? Cause a simple one with casting shadowmeld then stealth doesn’t seem to work or I just might be stupid

[stray adder]

it's weird, you have to step away from the pack

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor wait, edge case + double jeopardy still interact? i thought they removed that

does that change how you vanish at all, or is it just "ignore it, use vanish for MA+imp garrote and stop caring about it"

[barren linden]

just use it as ur DCD bro

[stray adder]

just a very meme racial

[pliant silo]

I find meld inconsistent on big aoe pulls

[spice spire]

Dog you can read wat

Must be nice

[drowsy hatch]

I can read things that allow me to hornypost

Like DHs seeing demons

[mint creek]

Alr I guess I just need to play around with shadowmeld a bit more to get used to it

Ty gamers

[barren linden]

pro tip, dont move when cast it

cant cast during moving is what i noticed

[royal lantern]

most people dropped caustic day 1 for her

the addss also need to be REALLY close to her to get cleaved at all

so caustic most of the time does nothing

[stray adder]

I would advise to lower your expectations when it comes to shadowmeld

[tired panther]

How come it's not recommended to Deathmark -> Rupture -> Garrote? If I have either running already and Deathmark, does it still double them?

[stray adder]

it's not that great

[drowsy hatch]

Definitely don't expect to rely on it

[mint creek]

Yeah I wasn’t expecting anything crazy, it’s a racial after all, was just curious if it could work in some weird way

[drowsy hatch]

It dupes bleeds already on them, so you have 2 gcds where it's not duped if you do it after

[barren linden]

u dont want to waste death mark 1 sec

[pliant silo]

Meld works often, especially if you step away or if the previous pack is mostly dead and you just need a re for the next

[tired panther]

coolbeans - My brain lives in snapshot world I'm afraid

[pliant silo]

Mostly bis for breaking casts targeted on you

[tired panther]

thanks guys

[stray adder]

yeah I'm just hoping it wasn't the main reason you went night elf, like being able to front flip is probably a better reason

[tawny junco]

You can even meld -> stealth

[mint creek]

No no, just wanted to switch race and always wanted nelf

[stray adder]

fair enough my guy

[pliant silo]

Nelf is good

[royal lantern]

its not

its a elf

[pliant silo]

Just when you really need it and you don’t get the stealth is sad

[royal lantern]

opposite of good

[fallen arch]

Ur tripping

Elves bis

All of em

[native nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/live/apjG_pEn5V4?t=7745&si=igDuzMCnJ1s5zbSN

Haven’t noticed before but my envenom kept falling off at around 6 seconds here. WA bug or was it really falling off? It scuffed my rotation

[hallow pelican]

doesnt matter all rogue mogs are shit. Rogues havent had a good looking set since Serpentshrine Cavern

[royal lantern]

mfs will play a blonde guy with blue eyes and then say its a fantasy race cus it has pointy ears

[wind totem]

Hey guys. I'm currently using 2 dawnthread lining (belt/waist) and want to change it from the waist to weapon. Obvioulsy I can't but what embelishment is the next best one? Should I just go for raid embelishments and use those in both content?

[hallow pelican]

Nathria and Antorus arent terrible but theyre not good either

[normal mist]

There are wild takes and then there's you

[pastel onyx]

[royal lantern]

i mean ye, can just go ascension+patch

embelishmentss dont matter anyway

[hallow pelican]

Serpentshrine good ... everything since poop

[normal mist]

boomer confirmed

Can't let go of the old days

[hallow pelican]

GenX actually

[spice spire]

I didn’t even ping you smh

This is the danger of including me in your name

People ping me a lot Smdh

Just ask @eternal hawk

[proven jasper]

T2 set looks really good i got mine yesterday but i wanted to ask if you know a good tabard to match it(alliance)

[spice spire]

Mf removed the hate from her heart to stop getting pinged

[normal mist]

If you're NA, there's the promotional tabard from the gummies

[proven jasper]

brother i am in a store right now im on the hunt for the trolli’s

[normal mist]

if you're not NA, you can either try TCG flame or ask an NA guy to do it for you

[spice spire]

What does it look like

[gusty mirage]

U smell

[spice spire]

The tabard

[proven jasper]

the gummy one?

[normal mist]

simple red

[gusty mirage]

Trolli gummy worm promo

[spice spire]

Yeah

Oh that’s nice

Nah I know

[stray adder]

oohh

spicy

[spice spire]

I know where it is

[stray adder]

is that shit on ebay

[spice spire]

I have many near

[proven jasper]

Yeah i gotta get that

[spice spire]

Can find

[stray adder]

cuz im buying it

[hallow pelican]

get yourself the venthy sacrificial dagger mog. they look better than those rusty butterknives

[normal mist]

from someone who thinks rogue transmog peaked at T5, no thanks

xD

i only use that dagger in 1 specifc transmog

the venthyr one

[proven jasper]

Im using the red fangs of the devourer with it

[hallow pelican]

its probably top 3 best looking dagger mog all time

[hallow pelican]

wrong one

one sec lemme clip it

[normal mist]

i mean sure

i guess

im talking about the model

there are like 5 recolours of this dagger

[subtle tundra]

do i go this in a 14 cot

[hallow pelican]

its the wrong model too. gimme a sec

even u cant disagree on this one

[royal lantern]

@normal mist we can agree that the BfA S1 Alliance PvP dagger is in the top5 right

[normal mist]

any of these?

[hallow pelican]

the one on the right

[normal mist]

Yeah its simple and awesome

[stray adder]

just buy night blade for T2

[normal mist]

yeah looks alright, i dont particulary like it

[hallow pelican]

it looks better for orcs. bigger body ... sometimes hooman isnt the best mog

[normal mist]

Btw you can check #1262437829150113855 for some tmogs we do over the months

[hallow pelican]

see? better on an orc

[normal mist]

Its alright

[hallow pelican]

I also really like the new one "Runed-Ice Dirk"

Sleek Obsidian Kris and Mythic Ruinous Gutripper round out my top 5

too much serration and baubles make daggers look shitty ... Daggers need to be sleek and clean

[quasi stump]

Whats ur fave rogue tier set look wise

I really like the felblade set from HFC

All the mogs in that raid are fire

[hallow pelican]

Deathmantle without Question

[normal mist]

deathmantle is another set that needs a rework

[quasi stump]

What is that

Hyjal?

[hallow pelican]

Serpentshrine

[fallen arch]

My eyes hurt from the pixels here

That set needs an update badly

[normal mist]

it was good, like 15 years ago

[hallow pelican]

needs better gloves and boots. Rogues have really bad gloves and boots

the DK set? that shit is fire.

[normal mist]

My favourite sets of all time is LEGION ELITE S1/2 and S3/4

[balmy condor]

Iron wire? In 2024?

[normal mist]

we usually cook some of those

[hallow pelican]

legion S4 is good but im not a fan of the shoulders

[royal lantern]

liked antorus set

[quasi stump]

Ill be real it pisses me off when mog sets have exposed elbows

[normal mist]

#transmog message

[opaque wren]

New talents assa is worth ?

[quasi stump]

Let me have full sleeves

[opaque wren]

Dont take bleeds execute

For thake the doble charge envenon

[normal mist]

thats why shirts exist :3

[stray adder]

just put a shirt on

ez fix

[tired gull]

it fell off your buffs as well as the weakaura 🤔

[spice spire]

Miss me w that

[hallow pelican]

Ulduar 10Player set wasnt bad if you pretend the headpiece doesnt exist. Wish rogues had a purple bandit mask

[normal mist]

HMU when they finished red and purple sets

[stray adder]

Thanks Royal for the inspiration

[tired gull]

i love the ulduar helm

[quasi stump]

I will say

[hallow pelican]

everyones free to have their own opinions ... no matter how wrong they are

🙂

[quasi stump]

My favorite mog set in the game?

Ever?

[stray adder]

Naxx set is the best set but im too broke to craft it

[quasi stump]

Firelands pally set

Or HFC raid finder warlock set

[proven jasper]

Castle Nathria mythic rogue set

[quasi stump]

Meh

Looks nerdy

[hallow pelican]

like the witchhunter head but the shoulders are meh

[proven jasper]

You look like a bloodborne character

[calm grail]

Where them daggers from?

[proven jasper]

its cool

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=183977/house-renathal-ceremonial-dagger

[subtle tundra]

this build

is not

very...

uh

yea dont recommend

weird

[quasi stump]

You are NOT normal

[thin furnace]

Is it worth to craft a 636 dagger if i'm still climbing in m+ and not going to mythic raid? Got hc ones

[coral ibex]

this dagger is epic.

[normal mist]

Usually MH upgrade is the best dps upgrade you have

you can sim it

[hallow pelican]

see? I told him it was awesome

[normal mist]

And i don't really like it that much, and thats fine xD

[stable pasture]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[chrome dirge]

Hi guys please don't rip me a new one, i got a 75 parse on this fight and overall i parse fairly low, i am unsure why is the reason as I think im doing everything as its supposed to, could someone that has a little bit of time enlighten me
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rbyW97hwkMcaPYzK#fight=51&type=damage-done&source=38

[balmy prism]

man I need a gamer guild to parse in

literally rank 2 on sik'ran if we had same kill timer and no griefers

ree

[fiery onyx]

Whats the play when spreading bleeds in M+?
Just stay on main target and spam Garrote and Rupture in IC window, or is it better to tap target?

[barren sleet]

Its better to switch targets at a certain target count I think but for most situations you can just let IC do its thing, I think at least. There is a command about it in here

[drowsy hatch]

!ic

Nope not that

But yeah sticking on your main target is fine. The concern with switching is if you lose your mark or blow cds on something that dies quickly accidentally

[fiery onyx]

That was my concern exactly

[drowsy hatch]

The only real difference is getting an extra rupture bleed on something which is super whatever

[pliant silo]

it's a target count thing

ic covers 5 targets in two casts but not 6

so to get 6 bleeds out you have to tab to an un-bled target

[fiery onyx]

And, do i Ambush -> Garrote, Garrote, Rupture, or garrote before ambush?

[pliant silo]

ambush for mark (deathstalker)

[tawny junco]

Boys how do u deal with puddles on ovinax? I keep getting damaged by the ones inside the boss cause I can’t see them

[pliant silo]

unless you have darkest night proc

[fallow canopy]

try to play to its sides and not behind it

[elder umbra]

Hi guys, does someone have an idea why my tea get consume randomly (i have on macro up i drag spell out of bar and still comsuming)

[fallow canopy]

its tail is way too big and covers way too much

[subtle tundra]

haha

i timed the 14

lol

[drowsy hatch]

Tea is consumed at 30 energy.

[pliant silo]

it's an Automatic Cuck Mechanic

[elder umbra]

Ah ok that suck sad

[elder umbra]

sad shit :/

[pliant silo]

designed to drink your tea as you dump your final mutilate env into a dying target

[tawny junco]

I get triggered every time he parries me, but it guess it’s better than dying to stupid stuff

[subtle tundra]

14 cot viable guys

[pliant silo]

cot is like barely a dungeon

[subtle tundra]

ok

[elder umbra]

Thanks for answer roguy buddies ;p

[pliant silo]

what I mean by that is uhh

that shit sucks

[fallow canopy]

he can't parry on the sides but tank movement can troll you a bit if you are unlucky

[pliant silo]

like roleplay garbage

[dusk fox]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[wide ridge]

how is the single target dmg with this build?

[subtle tundra]

uh

just as bad

as other builds

[wide ridge]

kek

welp

[pliant silo]

it has no ttk etcetera

[subtle tundra]

bro

if ttk is your biggest concern

from that build

[pliant silo]

he asked about single target

[subtle tundra]

yea and

look at my build

[pliant silo]

like no it's not a good st build

it's far closer to the standard m+ build

[subtle tundra]

how is it close

LOL

[pliant silo]

akathe entire right side of the tree

sbs sb ma sd

all of your standard m+ aoe bleed shit

but you went left edge instead of ttk

[subtle tundra]

this is what i was trying to make you talk about

[green nebula]

Ew double vanish, seize him

[pliant silo]

I don't think dropping tea is a crime

[fallow canopy]

you could say that part crossed without a trace 🦡

[subtle tundra]

i beat the enha overall

so

😉

yes he was doing 50% more st than me

[wide ridge]

u flirting w me? 😳

[stray adder]

how does it sim? is it a loss

can't test it out rn

[subtle tundra]

its bad!

[stray adder]

yeah i would guess so

[subtle tundra]

its more aoe!

[stray adder]

im just curious

[subtle tundra]

if we need that

[elder umbra]

more over losing tea is losing vigor OUTCH

[subtle tundra]

i guess

i just hate 7 cp gameplay

so much

[stray adder]

yeah not a fan either

especially without ER

[subtle tundra]

generator generator generator

[stray adder]

having to mutilate at 6cp

for DN

[green nebula]

The worst

[coral ibex]

just crit more

[stray adder]

it's probabl not so much about 7cp more the interaction with DN that I don't like

[subtle tundra]

the fact that its impossible to mutilate -> finish

unless fatebound ig

[stray adder]

it's still cool though

[tall jay]

anyone play with the Ovi Egg Trinketyet?

[green nebula]

I kinda miss the old supercharger for that reason

[tall jay]

Do we know when we need to press it ?

[coral ibex]

under 20 stacks

[stray adder]

yeah I might not be pressing my buttons hard enough

[tall jay]

of what, red or green?

[coral ibex]

everyone knows crit rate is equal to the average pressure exerted on your keys

press harder

[stray adder]

straight 📠

[coral ibex]

yes

[stray adder]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[coral ibex]

don’t have more than 20 of either

[tall jay]

ok

[green nebula]

Anyone got a good mouse rec? The scroll wheel on my razer death adder died yesterday, was a good 4 year run

[coral ibex]

another deathadder

[normal mist]

im using that mouse rn :3

[coral ibex]

why downgrade

it’s goated

[hallow pelican]

mogs increase overall DPS too

[normal mist]

by at least 5%

[coral ibex]

slut mogs have the highest buff

[stray adder]

my mouse has been completely broken for a few months, the scroll keeps going up and down

ill buy one rn as a matter of fact

[lavish island]

logitech g600

[green nebula]

I never really liked the mmo mouses

[coral ibex]

the side buttons are made for tiny hands

my whole fuckin thumb covers all 12 buttons

useless

[green nebula]

I was in a key and my scroll wheel broke I have buttons bound to it too, miserable

[stray adder]

hot

[obtuse arrow]

I play with corsair scimitar, i find the 12 buttons incredibly convenient.

[tranquil birch]

I think there's a happy middle ground. There's some out there with like 6 side buttons - two rows of 3. Enough to give you a significant number of extra easy binds but not too crowded

[balmy prism]

never buy logitech lol

if you want shit that lasts

[tranquil birch]

That's my preference anyway

[balmy prism]

they use cheap chinese parts, I've had every single logitech mouse I've ever owned break in either the scroll wheel or the double click issue

on everything from superlight to pros

they used to have japanese parts, but profits

[green nebula]

Logitech stuff is super expensive too

[cyan karma]

I’ll throw my 2 cents in… avoid Corsair… cause icue is the fucking worst

[green nebula]

Razer is where it’s at

[coral ibex]

i also have no real use case, all of my required binds fit on my kb within comfortable reach

i use mouse binds for my mounts

need to be able to flex the bruto

[green nebula]

I have RGB ram from coirsair I fucking hate icue

[coral ibex]

shift+m3

[cyan karma]

Its famously bad 😂

[tough widget]

we drop sanguine blades for iron wire in high keys - amirite?

[quasi ingot]

yea ICUE is cheeks

[coral ibex]

you should have iron wire already

why don’t you

[quasi ingot]

i got a ducky keyboard and sadly a razer mouse even tho i hate them but ive been using a MMO mouse for years

[stray adder]

does anyone have the Razer DeathAdder V3 Pro

[tough widget]

to get sanguine blades and do more damage

[coral ibex]

lmao

[merry bison]

yurr

[green nebula]

Ducky is elite, I use one too

[coral ibex]

yes

[stray adder]

worth it?

[grim jay]

Based. I personally used the razer deathadder for years throughout multiple models

[merry bison]

100%

[green nebula]

I ordered it during Covid & it took like 5 months to get it lol

[merry bison]

best mouse Ive ever had

[coral ibex]

yea it rocks

[stray adder]

cool ty

[coral ibex]

best deathadder they’ve made

<- deathadder andy since 2010

[grim jay]

Is it the wireless one? Then yes

[coral ibex]

it’s so light compared to the older models

[stray adder]

yes

[quasi stump]

i have ctrlm5 and ctrlm4
shiftm5 and shiftm4
m5 and m4

you make do

[grim jay]

Alright. Its the greatest mouse ever made especially for slightly bigger hands

Light af ergo

[stray adder]

I had the logitech G Pro X superlight

but it's completely fucked

[grim jay]

That thing is too small and not ergo enough for me

The weight is basically the same

[stray adder]

we shall see tomorrow

[royal lantern]

played fatebound for the memess on heroic clear

4 bosses in a row without even triggering the capstone

who the fuck made this dogsshit tree

legit joke of a company

[coral ibex]

truly

big and light

perfect

every other light mouse is made for a small child’s hand

[quasi stump]

its so clearly made for outlaw

[quasi ingot]

why i cant use the corsair scimitar or whatever its called. shits tiny

[humble cradle]

For m+ bosses with adds is it ever worth holding vanish to spread garrote and rupture?
Like the last boss of grim batol for example

Seems like they live a decent while

[royal lantern]

i still wanna know who looked at the part of outlaw that is openly the most hated one

and thought

"yo more rng"

[quasi ingot]

exactly why i hate outlaw

[nimble vector]

they should just die to spatter + CT I'm pretty sure, idk how it is on very high keys though maybe they need more

[quasi ingot]

roll all the bones while RNGesus takes the wheel

[balmy prism]

depends on group comp too

[humble cradle]

I was thinking just for energy returns

[nimble vector]

I don't think they live long enough to warrant casting anything on them

[shy creek]

When you have darkest night up, and you end up on 6 cp, do you use fan of knives, another mutilate, or do you just send the envenom and then hope the next two mutilates go to 7?

[quasi ingot]

i either shiv or garrote for the last cp. dunno if thats right

[drowsy hatch]

Build it up to 7. You want to get the mark rolling again.

[shy creek]

I garrote if its on pandemic

[quasi ingot]

whats it mean for it to be on pandemic

[shy creek]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[amber lark]

can anyone explain why all high rogue play with subterfuge? is this for better apply deathstalker?

[shy creek]

Right, but on six CP, what do you use to get it to 7?

[drowsy hatch]

Just whatever normal builder, mut in st fok in mt imo. Obviously garrote is nice like you said

The wasted cp isn't worth delaying

[shy creek]

Okie, ty

also this is so funny to me

[drowsy hatch]

It's for master assassin

[amber lark]

thx forgot this talent 😄

[sullen phoenix]

where can we see build from high rogues ?

[quasi ingot]

murlok.io

[sullen phoenix]

ty !

[quasi ingot]

np

[sullen phoenix]

is that build stronger than curent one on wowhead?

[coral ibex]

marginally

[quasi ingot]

i think its the play for right now peronsally.

also makes it easier to get your bleed spread out with having more time to do so with the longer IC

[sullen phoenix]

i see

[coral ibex]

many assa talents are tuned close enough that you can choose based on the dungeon and your stats

[sullen phoenix]

gonna try it i guess

[nimble vector]

just press mutilate if you're in ST, obviously if it lines up with pandemics or at the end of your previous shiv you can garotte / shiv instead, but assuming you wouldn't want to press either of those buttons normally in this situation you just press mutilate

[true shadow]

is there a faq of min maxing? like my envenom dps is 16% lower than a comparable ST parse. is something Lingering Darkness timing going to move the needle much?

[humble cradle]

Very noob question but when you run subterfuge does your mut keybind remain ambush until subterfuge fades?

Like when you’re in stealth

[true shadow]

yea just look at your stealth bar, it should change to ambush automatically

[shy creek]

Ty

[midnight mist]

halo

[humble cradle]

So how do you handle getting caustic spatter up while subterfuge is still up? Have a separate mutilate keybind?

[royal lantern]

the priest ability or the shooter?

[midnight mist]

when do i press ct

tryan

[nimble vector]

You should only ever press ambush to apply mark at the start of combat

[midnight mist]

answer now

[royal lantern]

2targets

[nimble vector]

2+

[midnight mist]

no wae

[royal lantern]

CT is overtuned

[crimson current]

so cool trying to pug keys!! been on lfg trying to join a 13 keys for almost 1 hour xdd

[midnight mist]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

im not making up the rules/numbers

[humble cradle]

Yeah but I’m saying if my mutilate is replaced by ambush how do I mutilate?

[nimble vector]

your stealth bar should have mutilate on it

[crimson current]

so cool

[lavish geyser]

I have watched some of that rank 1 rogue dude, forgot his name, but it looks like he doesnt swap between targets, spread bleeds, am I just missing it, or dont you need to do it? 🙂

[true shadow]

it will still apply spatter in that case, just test on a dummy to see

[crimson current]

he prolly macro mouseover

[coral ibex]

not an issue

[lavish geyser]

is that recommended?

[coral ibex]

it applies caustic

[crimson current]

u need to refresh bleeds to energy fuel

[nimble vector]

technically better because you can still melee your mark target but it's not a huge deal

[crimson current]

and scent of blood

[sour oasis]

it s me or

[coral ibex]

literally go test it on a dummy

[sour oasis]

we got a sneaky nerf

[lavish geyser]

its just kinda akward to swap between targets, but how would you do a mouseover, would you have to have 2 different buttons for garrote?

[sour oasis]

ovinax mm i cant do the same dmg

[coral ibex]

ambush applies caustic during subt

i tested this like 2 days ago for someone

[nimble vector]

are you also sure he's just not spreading through IC

[glossy vector]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drowsy hatch]

Don't need 2 buttons. If you aren't mousing over your main target it will just act like normal

Or another target rather

[humble cradle]

Hmm really? So is it better to press ambush instead of mutilate while subterfuge is going?

[ebon geyser]

best trinkets for M plus ?

[nimble vector]

no

[true shadow]

damn I was worried about having garrote and rupture up and not expiring before KB but the chad APL doesnt care, it just applies both during kb window when needed

[coral ibex]

there’s likely very little difference

[winter lichen]

is there a reason for this? genuine question im just looking at the tooltips and ambush does more dmg and generates more cp

[humble cradle]

I’m kinda consumed now because I could have sworn ambush has never applied caustic for me. Like I open ambush>garrotes n ruptures and then still need to mutilate to get the spatter

[nimble vector]

Spatter requires the target to have rupture on

so your opening ambush will not apply it

[coral ibex]

you can’t spatter prior to a rupture

[lavish geyser]

idk what IC, im just started learning. But he doesnt move his curser

[merry bison]

Casualaddict

[lavish geyser]

yeah just remembered it actually 🙂

[subtle tundra]

he doesnt mouseover im p sure

[quasi ingot]

maybe hes just spreading his bleed off of the same target

[coral ibex]

i believe they’re just asserting it

[lavish geyser]

yeye but dont you wanna do that on 2 targets?

to get 6 applied

[drowsy hatch]

It doesn't matter

[subtle tundra]

you do

[coral ibex]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[lavish geyser]

it doesnt? I just watched the whispyr, and he swapped

[true shadow]

I missed a LOT of the subtle skill rules because I didnt just read every single talent interaction. not trying to be patronizing, but reading every single talent and hero talents will easily teach you the most (reading is the biggest DPS increase)

[coral ibex]

not required at all

[winter lichen]

also i might have missed some context, this was for aoe right and he wasnt applying his spatter?

[lavish geyser]

ok, sounds amazing!

[subtle tundra]

just a minmax

[lavish geyser]

I can just do it all on 1 target?

[nimble vector]

it is technically more dps to target swap to apply bleeds at 6+ targets yes

but not necessary at all

[lavish geyser]

is it significant dmg increase?

orrr

[subtle tundra]

no otherwise he would be doing it

[coral ibex]

no

read the bot post

[lavish geyser]

ok, that actually made it sound alot more fun

ty guys 🙂

can I still use the whispyr guide for m+?

[merry bison]

You can, he needs to focus on a lot of things in a +16 and minmaxing every single bleed aint the easiest thing so he just takes the lil dps dumb to have guaranteed control over his ramp, kicks, cc and defs

[coral ibex]

idk what you’re asking. ambush applies spatter during subt with a rupture on the target. there’s no other details to it.

[pulsar dirge]

ethereal cloack for ingest black blood onivax ?

[lavish geyser]

yeah, but like how bad is it? it doenst sonud like alot of dmg loss

[coral ibex]

you don’t press a lot of mutilate in aoe so it doesn’t really matter if you mutilate or ambush

[winter lichen]

i think i missed some context here my fault

[coral ibex]

for spatter

[winter lichen]

i know how it works but i think there was a misunderstanding on my side

[coral ibex]

gotcha

[nimble vector]

mutilate applies doomblade and the cp gen is 2-4 whereas ambush is 3-4, i'm pretty sure there was something else as well but I can't think rn

[crimson current]

idk, just assumed that cause bro said he dont change targets

[subtle tundra]

ambush isnt 3-4

its 2-3!

[rotund oak]

yes ofc u can,its actually the most optimal

[subtle tundra]

and if you take the talent its 1 more!

[brave vector]

You can technically just garrote and rupture your primary target in AoE with ID and it’ll spread your dots automatically, just not as well. Also if you need to reapply during a pull you either need to switch off or mouseover. You can use something like this

#showtooltip Rupture
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead] Rupture; Rupture

[merry bison]

Its not that bad, thats why he does it

[subtle tundra]

but you dont play the talent in m+!

[crimson current]

ambush is 2-3 and mutilate is 2-4

[crimson current]

i think i saw speed using it

[lavish geyser]

ok, its just cause he changes targets. Would I still have to the same ammount of garrotes and ruptures, on the same target, as if I swap target?

[subtle tundra]

its strictly bad

who fuckjing cares what m+ brain plays

[rotund oak]

u need to watch out the scent stacks

u need 5 of them

[crimson current]

yea i didnt liek it either

[subtle tundra]

logically speaking, its bad

[rotund oak]

if u get 5 scent stacks the gar=>gar=>rup=>rup is enough

dont worry

[nimble vector]

I was just talking about in raid, but the same thing applies in m+ it's just more in mutilate's favour

[raven egret]

Yeah it works out either way, most groups have high HP mobs mixed with lower HP mooks, so fixating on a high HP main target is more important

[crimson current]

theres a bunch of plater profiles with prio order for those who dont know what to focus also

[raven egret]

^ wise words

[severe meadow]

Can vouch, these are goated

[raven egret]

If you need it of course, they are there for that

[crimson current]

bro over an hour and still no group accepted me

fuck it

IM MAD

[brave vector]

It’s really just a matter of what you’re used to. I’m sure plenty of people switch off to spread dots (I do), you just need to be careful if you’re playing darkstalker because you need to make sure you get back to your marked target

[raven egret]

They don't deserve you

[crimson current]

i think that way

[raven egret]

Yeah mean reason I don't switch myself is it just feels slower and sluggish in getting CT out and spatter working, to me that is

[drowsy hatch]

This is a good shout. Sticking on a target is just ease for minor loss. If you do it right every time it is exclusively though

Exclusively better

[raven egret]

Side mobs die so quick either way

[severe meadow]

I'm 630 2670 io and still don't get accepted, it's the Rogue life brother

[raven egret]

True but nothing that noticeable, aside your mage friend will love the tiny bit of HP you leave to them to try to catch up to you in DPS 🤣

[stray adder]

that's tragic

[crimson current]

im 2990 and dont get accepted on those 13s

[severe meadow]

I usually run with the guild so it's not so bad

[rotund oak]

its the pug life not the rogue life,u can be 2k and form ur own premade 😉

[stray adder]

we can only hope for M+ changes going into S2

[severe meadow]

My mental with pugs is so shot after this season

[drowsy hatch]

I know, I just don't want to discourage someone from technically doing more haha

[raven egret]

I'm not a big fan of M+ this season, I feel very meh about it

[severe meadow]

I think peoples brains are too hard wired to the old system

[raven egret]

Part of it might be massive burnout farming Skardyn XD

[rotund oak]

totally understand,im smashing ppl with much better gear than me in the meters with more interrupts and just get declined by insane ppl that dont understand what they are watching

its how pugs are

[stray adder]

brother

preach

[lavish geyser]

ok, and my overall dmg is not gonna get hurt that much if I dont do it? 🙂

[severe meadow]

I finally got a champion track and stopped

I got Ara myth track in vault tho

[thick sail]

I think part of the issue is, the dungeons are too punishing on the lower key levels

[raven egret]

It will not 🙂

[pulsar dirge]

kingsbane parries in the year of the lord 2024🫡

[drowsy hatch]

The only difference is +1 rupture damage. Very minor

[raven egret]

So long you max your scent stacks you are fine

[thick sail]

Multiple 1 and 2 shot mechanics are not healthy to have in like, a +2 or +3

[lavish geyser]

Great, rly makes it more fun to play.

[brave vector]

Honestly in low keys I don’t even bother switching, garr > garr > rupt > rupt is enough to regen for a pull and I don’t really run content where I need to reapply in aoe. 10 key hero 😬

[lavish geyser]

yeye, its just mostly having to use curser sometimes gets rly akward

[raven egret]

Hey 10s are all we need for the real gear !

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah exactly. Those little optimizations just aren't gonna do that much if you aren't pushing hard

[nimble vector]

being a weekly vault key enjoyer is the key to a stress free life

[raven egret]

Preach~

[crimson current]

i wish i was this way

[stray adder]

yeah see you in grim batol

im not waiting for vault

[raven egret]

Mind you I still only have heroic rings somehow

[vale plank]

do we fw bubbling wax or nah?

[raven egret]

631, heroic rings, that's my life

[brave vector]

Four 10s a week and then I call it 🙂

[stray adder]

whetstone is just better

[drowsy hatch]

Whetstone is better than kobold cum

Use it if you're cheap enough

[spice spire]

I fw everything bro

[lavish geyser]

but like dont you ever think it just gets too ez. feel like 10s are hella boringf

[vale plank]

😩

[drowsy hatch]

But otherwise just do that

[stray adder]

buy whetstones with your brand new bruto

[spice spire]

But yeah what they said

[midnight mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[raven egret]

Wax is bis, Saves gold, thus, bis

[stray adder]

just buy tokens

[lavish geyser]

are you converting???

[vale plank]

gold aint the problem #blessed

[stark scroll]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[midnight mist]

no

[nimble vector]

then I move onto the next guy I need to gear and the content becomes harder again

[raven egret]

I wax + mana oil since I had a supply, the difference is so stupidly insignificant anyway

[brave vector]

Nope. It already takes me forever to get into a group, and it’s probably 50/50 chance that everyone in the group performs decently. Perfectly fine for me

[spice spire]

Good don’t need more fotm bozos

[lavish geyser]

fair enough. my last 10 was a key with a 610 ilvl rogue, and no lust and no CR, hella scuffed XD

[runic hinge]

He’s not fotm

[spice spire]

Already have daps in here occasionally

Buddy his name is literally fotm wdym

[midnight mist]

bro called me fotm

i have been a main assa

since cata

xd

[raven egret]

We sin rogues are the elite, the best of the best

[spice spire]

Mb mb

[midnight mist]

where were you

[drowsy hatch]

Fotd

[midnight mist]

when i was doing r1 logs on every boss

of that raid

you know that raid

[midnight mist]

[runic hinge]

I have the receipts

[spice spire]

I’d already cleared dw as combat (didn’t have fangs yet)

And was healing then bozo

[midnight mist]

ye dw

big raid

[grim jay]

Idk about zacro, Zacssination is a sin main tho

[sullen phoenix]

is whispyr still drunk, hope he get sober fast to update wowhead XD

[midnight mist]

ye fuck wishopr

[runic hinge]

I am still drunk

I might be sober Sunday

For raid

[waxen oyster]

I mean

[drowsy hatch]

Why bother

[runic hinge]

Mayhaps

[waxen oyster]

What is there to update with wowhead

[sullen phoenix]

not sure he said today

[drowsy hatch]

If you drink during raid enough you'll just get better at raiding drunk

[waxen oyster]

like nothing changed since patch

[spice spire]

Quakemother has entered the chat

[grim jay]

M+ section

[spice spire]

Likely 500 m+ guilds

Builds even

[waxen oyster]

lmao

[runic hinge]

I haven’t been sober for raid in over a month and I’m starting to feel like I should be

[spice spire]

I forget yesterday was Wednesday tho

[waxen oyster]

that arent even necessarily

[runic hinge]

The guilt is settling in

[spice spire]

He does tend to uh

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

better than old hybrid

[spice spire]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

I did a key as regular hybrid

its still good

[forest spear]

Hi guys, question: I am a bit confused on when to use Ambush. do we only use it to apply Deathmark? and for the rest, even in subterfuge, its Mutilate over Ambush?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[drowsy hatch]

It would be good if he threw in something about MA I think, just not strictly necessary

[spice spire]

Correct

Mut > ambush outside of setting mark

[waxen oyster]

Even then idk if MA actually better

[forest spear]

thank you!

[waxen oyster]

or mfs just feelycrafting

[spice spire]

I’ve had cursed keys with ma

So it might just be feely

Or likely

[drowsy hatch]

I think there's a good amount of feelscraft

[spice spire]

I’m dogshit

[waxen oyster]

can still do a mil on bosses as all builds

[drowsy hatch]

It's hard to get ideal value

And then vanish turns into an on CD combat ability

Which is cursed in itself

[spice spire]

Erm actually my 4m sim says hybrid build is only 989 (I’m only 622)

[waxen oyster]

welcome to rogue since forever

[waxen oyster]

peasant ilvl moment

/j

[spice spire]

Gonna eat ur ass raw big dog ngl

[quasi ingot]

may i watch

[merry bison]

erm

[raven egret]

Now now, he's a cute tiny rogue, got to encourage it and pet it and call it George

[merry bison]

make a snap

[inland escarp]

[sullen phoenix]

is trinket Empowering Crysal of Anub'ikkaj stronger than Dead-Eye Spyglass and Ara-Kara Sacbrood? anyone knows maybe

[merry bison]

yes

but should sim it

[coral ibex]

it’s a good one

my best trinket

[stark scroll]

zac has best sin wa

[stark scroll]

hi zac

[sullen phoenix]

got it

ty both!

[merry bison]

only thing missing is the envenom tracker

[stark scroll]

he has envenom tracker

[merry bison]

except that he nailed it

[stark scroll]

update it and try again

its on there 100%

[merry bison]

he has a caustic splatter, I just watched on his stream

huh

I might be dumb

but I swear there wasnt a tracker

[humble cradle]

Nah fair point. I honestly do know those interactions and I thought about the rupture/poisoned target prerequisite like 3 mins after typing that. But I’m at work and couldn’t respond quickly.

[stark scroll]

ok then i have a second envenom wa

mb

[merry bison]

im gonna re check quick

[stark scroll]

LOL

[humble cradle]

Cheers

[stark scroll]

I just assumed it was his

vertical envenom tracker?

to left of his hud

?

yes or no

not the horizontal caustic tracker

[forest spear]

another question: how many kingsbane procs are considered to be decent in ST?

[merry bison]

you mean the green bar

yes it is one

but from the LA pack

[royal lantern]

huh

[merry bison]

above the cp

[drowsy hatch]

Do you mean uses?

[forest spear]

x 34 means 34 different procs / applications I suppose

[royal lantern]

oh

[merry bison]

8-10mil

[royal lantern]

ye, during deathmark you should hit the 50 cap

without deathmark probs like 30-40

[forest spear]

on ST?

[royal lantern]

not really much controll over it anyway

keep envenom up the entire duration and thats it

[merry bison]

hitting 10mil on st is erm wouldnt say impossible but not common

on aoe yes

[forest spear]

thanks for the info guys. I will keep target dummying every 1 min

[merry bison]

[mild spoke]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[west crown]

I’d say impossible

For sin rogue

[merry bison]

it was about the kingsbane output

[kindred ravine]

heyt

What is the title raider.io cut off atm?

[merry bison]

not actual dps

[merry bison]

wdym by that

[west crown]

Top .1%

[kindred ravine]

what raider.io score do you need

atm to be top .1%

[merry bison]

uhm

[west crown]

I’d guess around 3k

[merry bison]

yea

[west crown]

The top top groups are like 3300

[royal lantern]

caring about cutoff when the patch is not even 50% done is a bit weird tbh

like, nobody is really pushing rn

[quasi ingot]

meta kids yo

[spice surge]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-1/eu

[west crown]

If you aren’t timing 14s/15s by end of season I’d guess you probably won’t get it

[spice surge]

Adjust based on your region

[proper hare]

it sucks that i cant caustic on rashnan

[royal lantern]

adds die anyway in seconds

[subtle tundra]

i think its gonna be 16s

[royal lantern]

would not really do much

[merry bison]

doesnt count into parses anyway

[west crown]

Probably. I’m expecting the top groups to hit hard stop at 20

[royal lantern]

who tf cares about parses there

[subtle tundra]

they wont get to 20

[west crown]

Maybe 22

[subtle tundra]

wtf are you on

[west crown]

I mean they are timing 17s with time to spare rn

[royal lantern]

bruh the tank would die by an trash autohit in a +22

[subtle tundra]

there will be 18

not all

maybe 1-2 19

[west crown]

Ok 22 is a stretch

XD

[merry bison]

bro kush is struggling w meeres and gingi to clear +16 grim with 635ilvl

[subtle tundra]

20 is a stretch

[merry bison]

like there not much room anymore

[merry bison]

maybe mists and ara will be played on 19

[west crown]

5-7 ilvls of gear could be 2 key levels

[novel star]

yes it does

[subtle tundra]

probably in tgp

[merry bison]

but we'll not see any +18 grims

[novel star]

yell at your raid leader not us

[subtle tundra]

nope

[merry bison]

Didn't they fix it in week 3 or 4

[west crown]

Well I’ll take your word for it. Being optimistic I guess

[novel star]

the opposite

[subtle tundra]

previous seasons yes

[novel star]

it didn’t show adds before but now they changed it so it does

[subtle tundra]

5-7 ilvl could be that much

but shit scales so hard

[merry bison]

4ilvl

thats the stretch

they cant go beyond 639

and they dont have enough gear to clear grim 16

also +16 is equivalent of +30 or som

[west crown]

So 18-19s tippy top which is like 3500

[proper hare]

i am

[merry bison]

its an insane stretch

[novel star]

[subtle tundra]

19 if they get 19 arakara and play it perfectly

[proper hare]

it does now but i just dislike carnage, such a dogshit talent

[subtle tundra]

which requires timing 18s

[novel star]

carnage?

[west crown]

Yeah 19 would only be the easy 3

[proper hare]

bleeding

im coocking

coocked

[subtle tundra]

i doubt dawnbreaker 19 would be possible

[proper hare]

cooked

[subtle tundra]

or 19 mists

[novel star]

you’re cooking some fucking dogshit bro

[proper hare]

holy i cant type

[subtle tundra]

cause of bosses being walls

[proper hare]

internal bleeding is ass, end of statement

[novel star]

aintnoway we are talking about carnage in raid

[subtle tundra]

19 mists if your enha is high rolling

[proper hare]

nah i meant ib

[novel star]

i see

[proper hare]

im just cooked rn

[novel star]

yeah ib is bad

piss talent

[west crown]

I mean it’s at 17 rn with mists and ara

[novel star]

just bring it up with ur officers or smth idk

not putting the adds under boss is kinda aids for other melees too

not just assa

but it doesn’t really matter atp

unless it’s still a prog boss for u

[subtle tundra]

idk im 3.2k but i need to play with a group

maybe i cook guild group

[west crown]

Are you with a group now?

[subtle tundra]

no

[west crown]

Pugging 3200 is insane

[novel star]

varas is unhinged

[merry bison]

cuh you ramping the io

respect

[subtle tundra]

its gonna stop for a while

cant be arsed to sit lfg

[proper hare]

one kill so far but ended up progging today since we have 5 people absence

said stuff about it but im setteling to just fok

sad to use ib

[uneven plume]

Highest key will prob be a 18 ara

Everything else is too much damage for triple dps and too little damage done with an aug

[subtle tundra]

we will see in tgp

cause thats happening

[uneven plume]

There’s a tgp this season?

Thought it was mdi only

[subtle tundra]

they announced mdi and tgp

[merry bison]

Only thing I wanna see is +18sv & grim

[uneven plume]

Grim they need to pull pull 1 and 2 together

Which is madness

And a golem onto the boss

Second boss*

Which is also madness

[crisp stream]

Guys, what's your st in m+ in 12 keys

[thick sail]

Question about Twisting the Knife:

If we're talented into this, do we prio try to keep 2 stacks up at all times? Or only during Kingsbane?

[uneven plume]

On a straight forward boss? Prob like 800-1.1

[subtle tundra]

straight forward?!?!

thats not what ST means

LOL

[tawny geyser]

Anyone kind enough to do a quick log review for Rasha Mythic?
Always parsing 60-68 for some reason.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2ZRBj1pfv6bcmXM9#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5

[feral tendon]

is there a doc somewhere that has all the cloak interactions for m+?

[uneven plume]

Like a boss like first one in grim batol that has no melee pepega mechanics?

[midnight mist]

the green bar is env tracker

i dont have support for double env thing yet tho

but i dont play assa

do it yourselves

[merry bison]

I did

[subtle tundra]

you literally do

[crisp stream]

Yea it's the same st for me, starving energy so much, what haste you at?

[subtle tundra]

look at the screenshot

[merry bison]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emojis-emoticon-mood-anger-gif-16105101

[subtle tundra]

fucking liar

typical french

[uneven plume]

I sit around 11%

[drowsy hatch]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[uneven plume]

Sin don’t do m+ st. We have enh and fdk to that for us

[midnight mist]

i dont

fake screenshot

[subtle tundra]

fair

gg

[uneven plume]

We funnel prios in aoe packs

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah you're just gonna be starved in m+ st

Gotta live with it

[merry bison]

I made the screenshot with chatgpt

[proper hare]

https://wowanalyzer.com

[brave comet]

should i use Ascension embellish?

[proper hare]

helps me a ton

[strange python]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[crisp stream]

Ah I'm at 8, so that doesn't matter a bit, wanted to do atleast 1.2 not reaching there at all

[nimble vector]

WoWAnalyzer is bad I think

[crisp stream]

Can't do anything

🥲

[brave comet]

should i use Ascension embellish? it doesnt have an uptime requirement on it

that makes it so much easier to use

[uneven plume]

Yah it’s meh

[drowsy hatch]

Asc is fine, dawnthread is fine

You won't notice a big difference

[tawny geyser]

well all is green and at 100%
except for Thistle Tea.

[nimble vector]

your embellishments do not matter they all suck, just play whichever you prefer

[tawny geyser]

But i cant control that

also its outdated

[west crown]

Pad the adds and hope your group doesn’t kill them super quick

[subtle tundra]

thats uh
thats a pipe dream

[crisp stream]

xD

[proper hare]

then its just the killtime that brings the parse down and the top parses also have adds up the boss ass so you can caustic

[tawny geyser]

Yeah well our kill time is pretty miserable.

[weary swallow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[proper hare]

same goes for me, it is what it is ^^

[wispy epoch]

Hit box is pretty big

Caustic probably hits from anywhere

[nimble vector]

it doesn't

[proper hare]

caustic dont hit if they arent in his ass