assassination

[drowsy hatch]

those sear minds arent getting off any time soon

thats for sure

or whatever the fuck its called now

[unborn wharf]

chained minds!

nevah happening boys

EZ

[glossy light]

do you press vanish just to proc MA in pack?

[storm forum]

is silence subject to CC DR?

[balmy condor]

renamed to whispyr having to read reading m+ takes

read reading

I'm fully cooked

brain is gone

o7

[storm forum]

o7

[dusty crescent]

yeah dwarf pretty goated

[indigo leaf]

i play 2x subterfuge and wat so i can chain vanishes and only press garrote for 36 secondsd

[drowsy hatch]

the recovered mental arc was a good one

[dusty crescent]

ugh, i hate alliance tho....

[drowsy hatch]

sad it was so short though

[balmy condor]

who will win

1 m+ brainlet

or my mental

[stray adder]

As a 6'4" unit I play dwarf to have a better understanding of what it is to be a short king based fr fr

[unborn wharf]

✋

me me me

[urban lily]

spam improved garrote on a huge pack isnt worth it? if i already have cs and ct running ofc

[dusty crescent]

I'm 5'11 short king :C

[balmy condor]

[storm forum]

what target cap do I spam CT?

[dusty crescent]

since I can't grow up I grow out, and just become tank

[drowsy hatch]

ok now whispyr is on the edge

I can feel it

[silk bane]

Which ones worse? This? Or poison knife to hit ER cp?

[unborn wharf]

how about I become a pheonix from the ashes and mouseover garrote to interrupt casts with subterfuge in between fok casts

based or cooked

[indigo leaf]

thoughts on playing internal bleeding instead of spatter, it should get a lot of value with spreading bleeds

[unborn wharf]

how about NOW

[indigo leaf]

in my 36 second IC window

[balmy condor]

you should probably make use of your core rotational talent and envenom your caustic spatter target in order to spread the damage against multiple targets! This is a big part of your damage and incredibly powerful! Hope it helps!

[drowsy hatch]

yknow what you should do instead of improved garrote

WAKE OF ASHES WAKE OF ASHES WAKE OF ASHES

[unborn wharf]

!!

[novel star]

chained mind*

[storm forum]

so true bestie

[novel star]

i hate that change so much

[drowsy hatch]

I acknowledged its different but I refuse to remember

[novel star]

its fucking me up

i did 50 gbs

kicking sear mind

and now im kicking chained mind

bastard developers

[stray adder]

m+ is cooked

[balmy condor]

m+ isn't even the problem

[storm forum]

damn, i just realized that if i even play my rogue seriously this season

[spice spire]

How about you do 50 dns

[urban lily]

lol this fucked me up yesterday

[balmy condor]

m+ community is awful

[storm forum]

im not going to know what any of the kicks are

[balmy condor]

actually the worst community in all of gaming

[novel star]

any time babe

[stray adder]

nah

[urban lily]

i heard "sear mind" and was like WHERE WHERE WHERE

[stray adder]

thats cap

League has the worst community in all gaming

not even close

[indigo leaf]

idk why people say this tbh

[balmy condor]

I was champ in 3v3 league of legends, and the demons in there are nothing against high end m+

[indigo leaf]

people in league dont even talk anymore

[stray adder]

because its true

[urban lily]

because it is

[balmy condor]

TREELINE bro

[indigo leaf]

everyone is perma full mute

[urban lily]

league is top 1

[storm forum]

3v3 was so chill they deleted it cause it wasnt meeting their toxicity quotas

[novel star]

im not gonna lie i have like 2-3k hours in league and i think m+ players talking about talents is actually a lot worse than league of legends players talking items

[silk bane]

Oh fuck remember the spider instead of baron?

[indigo leaf]

how is league the worst community when 90% of the players dont even interact with the other humans

[novel star]

both are bad

[silk bane]

Those were the times

[novel star]

but like

holy fuck

i want to do bad things in here

[balmy condor]

m+ community is several circles of hell deeper than anything I've encountered in 7-8 years of league

[drowsy hatch]

yeah I'm in favor of M+ being worse than league

[novel star]

league players at least are kind of just silently delusional but wow players will have a full argument cooked up

of just complete dogshit

that they can keep yapping about for hours

[stray adder]

yall are brainwashed

[spice spire]

Or maybe they’ve seen the light

[stray adder]

league is turbo ass

[urban lily]

what makes it this bad

[balmy condor]

I don't even think it's that close of a debate honestly

[limber lion]

WTF ME TOO

[stark scroll]

League worse than wow M+ community?

[limber lion]

That's so funny

[novel star]

i have wasted just as much time arguing with league players as i have arguing with wow players

[static zealot]

is it worth in 2 target fights like court to keep rupture and garrote active on both targets?

[stark scroll]

Used to be

[novel star]

and im pretty certain wow is worse

[spice spire]

Yes

[stark scroll]

during covid times

[novel star]

brainrot

[limber lion]

Used to be r1 in EUNE in 3v3

Was like 2900 elo or something

[static glacier]

are we using FoK on 2t without vv / without thrown precision?

[limber lion]

before the ranking system changed

[subtle tundra]

youre welcome

[indigo leaf]

"league community is the worst" feels like a "nickelback is terrible music" type of generational gaslighting like yeah nickelback isnt great but its not any worse than any other generic 2000s radio pop-rock band

[storm forum]

actually, I kind of get it. like outside of league, league players arent that bad. outside of dungeons, m+ers are fucking psycho sometimes

[indigo leaf]

it just became a meme to hate on them

[novel star]

afaik no it has to be thrown precision + deathstalker for momentum or watever its called

[static glacier]

aight

[novel star]

fatebound thrown precision or deathstalker without precision you fan 3

[silk bane]

Okau but league is way worse not even close. U tell the jungler ganking your lane at 50 seconds that you’re level 2 and don’t have your ult yet, bro breaks down your entire family tree, roasts them and afks

[stark scroll]

try talking to M+ players who just spam M+ everyday and never raid

[stray adder]

ngl there is a fighting game I play where the devs had to remove the post game chat because people were throwing slurs left and right lmao

[subtle tundra]

some m+ players log in every day and 12hr shift of dungeons

[static glacier]

we should have sympathy for the ill

[novel star]

league players outside of league and wow players outside of wow are both stupid and annoying wow is just worse

[stray adder]

Brawlhalla

lmao

[stark scroll]

I don't

[tender cedar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stray adder]

its a platform fighter my b

[novel star]

brawlhalla is a game

[stark scroll]

M+ is confusing as fuck

[drowsy hatch]

the funny thing about league vs m+ is at least league is pvp and has a ranked system where you can derank

[novel star]

imagine playing a platfighter that isnt rivals rn

[stark scroll]

I que an 8 Gb at 2500 and get declined

[drowsy hatch]

meanwhile m+ is entirely teamwork based pve and is still as bad if not worse

[storm forum]

i need to cleanse my mind from this convo

im getting flashbacks to every time a yone or a mage called me a slur

[spice spire]

Hey king

[silk bane]

I too get declined but I’m 3k

Same 8 tho

[balmy condor]

League players are just racists

M+ players are racist only a third of the time but also will tell you the moon landing is fake and the earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese and JFK assassination was a hoax by the communists and elvis is still alive and sipping kombucha with tupac in the hills of tuscany and everything is chinese spyware looking to harvest your brain waves for their 5g radio waves, and if you disagree they will fight you to the death about it cause they saw some streamer one time do it and their io is higher

[storm forum]

#1146207476983812117 on one monitor, rolling gacha on the other

[quasi ingot]

the earth isnt flat?

[drowsy hatch]

allegedly

[quasi ingot]

but if it was round i would fall over trying to walk!!!

[spice spire]

Bless

[storm forum]

depends which dimension you're looking at it from

[stray adder]

no way you said "are just racists"

[silk bane]

Lmfao look at this guy. He thinks the earth is real. LOL

[spice spire]

He’s the least German German man

[balmy condor]

like m+ players will cook the most illogical, absolutely batshit insane theory, and when someone says "wtf that doesn't even remotely make sense", it's time to go to war to defend their honor cause actually they timed a 13 and know everything better

[urban lily]

that sounds pretty accurate and now im afraid of pushing past 3k

[balmy condor]

I mean that's the league experience though

load into game

see a teemo top

slur

[quasi ingot]

Higher IO = Higher IQ...thats just the way the world works

[balmy condor]

/muteall

ggwp

[hexed canopy]

@balmy condor does Dungeon Slice also Sim for Sudden Demise ?

[balmy condor]

league toxicity

[balmy condor]

no

[urban lily]

i remember when someone post it something similar here

[drowsy hatch]

dont even need to muteall now, just turn off chat before the game even starts lmao

[stray adder]

so it's worse than m+ got it

[urban lily]

" nothing against whispyr, but look at his IO"

[hexed canopy]

ty

[urban lily]

something like that

[limber lion]

League used to be so good back in S1-S3

[balmy condor]

yeah bigger number better person

[limber lion]

So chill and no toxicity

[urban lily]

indeed

[spice spire]

Okay grandpa

Let’s get you to bed

[glacial crypt]

bigger woman...

[limber lion]

:)

[stray adder]

classic andy take

[glacial crypt]

a wise man once said

[drowsy hatch]

bigger number better person bigger woman bigger hole

[glass spade]

Is there any way to see longs of high end rogue players?

[glacial crypt]

exactly

[limber lion]

warcraftlogs.com

[drowsy hatch]

I wanna see the longs of high end rogue players 😊

[stark scroll]

yeah and god forbid you tell them a better way to do a pull

[limber lion]

This is either "logs" or "dongs"

[soft surge]

@balmy condor why does the wowhead guide claim to be updated when there is no mention of master assassin in any m+ builds

[glacial crypt]

rankings for current raid allstars

[glass spade]

does it show detailed information from their keys?

[limber lion]

Which one is it

[proven jasper]

Whispyr do u main ezreal

[storm forum]

i won my 50/50 :>

[limber lion]

Yes

[royal depot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[limber lion]

Warcraftlogs tracks everything

[storm forum]

my mind is cleansed

[stark scroll]

ARE YOU ACTUALLY TELLING ME HOW TO DO A PULL I HOPE YOURE FUCKIGN KIDDING

[spice spire]

If they logged it yeah

[glacial crypt]

oop

[drowsy hatch]

you know precisely what I mean

[subtle cipher]

prob this

[soft surge]

wowhead is raid centric

[urban lily]

yeah, exactly that lmao

[limber lion]

Wowhead is for the noobs

[spice spire]

No I don’t please elaborate

[subtle cipher]

thats from reddit, and sadly wow reddit is a cesspool

[urban lily]

figures

[stark scroll]

I have great respect for whispyr but he didnt even world first nerubar and he didnt clear a +20 yet

[storm forum]

i caught myself snapping at someone for complimenting me after a dungeon last week, m+ actually damages ur brain i stg

[balmy condor]

because it's updated for 11.0.5 and not updated for the last 4-5 days of m+ meta, I'll update it soon enough

[drowsy hatch]

massive penor

[balmy condor]

subt/MA is playable

[spice spire]

Oh

[soft surge]

thank you

[balmy condor]

as are like

50 other builds

[limber lion]

BUT THE 0.1%

[quasi ingot]

Yoda got a +17 world first. No rogue in his group. WE HAVE TO REROLL! ROGUE IS DOOMED

[balmy condor]

the builds on there are perfectly fine

[limber lion]

????????????

[soft surge]

yea i think the builds on wowhead need an overhaul

[subtle cipher]

we have literally a lot of m+ builds rn

[balmy condor]

they don't

the builds on there are fine

[stark scroll]

oh my god

no rogues??????????

[soft surge]

do any include master assassin?

[stark scroll]

we are doomed

[subtle tundra]

assassination?

[stark scroll]

its all whispyrs fault

[subtle cipher]

a lot of them

[quasi ingot]

what im sayin

[stark scroll]

if he had included ma in the guide and updated it

we wouldve been world first +17

[quasi ingot]

Whispyr lied to all of us with his builds so he could grab huge parses with no effort!

[balmy condor]

yeah let me just add a build with MA

[drowsy hatch]

if youre involved enough to identify that MA is an option and that some other rogues are running it

[balmy condor]

and then add a built without iron wire

[stark scroll]

whispyr is gate keeping guides

[drowsy hatch]

I dont think you need the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

and then add a build with subterfuge

and without

and with +1 vanish

and also without

[stark scroll]

whispyr is gaslighting us into taking the worst builds

[balmy condor]

and also with sanguine

[quasi ingot]

add a build for flat earthers too while youre at it plz @balmy condor

[subtle cipher]

2 subterfuge + 1 lethality and another other way around please

[balmy condor]

and without sanguine

[glacial crypt]

whispyr sensory overload

[balmy condor]

and with bone spike

[limber lion]

Don't forget Sudden Demise!

[balmy condor]

and without bone spike

[glacial crypt]

the poor boy is typing fast

[soft surge]

wowhead is the 1st stop for noobs learning a class. i use wcl and raiderio personally but check wowhead every so often and notice it blatatnly out of date/meta. not just for rogue

[balmy condor]

and with sudden demise

[glacial crypt]

oh no

[stark scroll]

whispyr is secretly abusing the intelleigence dagger

[balmy condor]

and without sudden demise

[subtle cipher]

wowhead rogue is totally up to date

[spice spire]

He’s actually abusing spymasters web

[subtle cipher]

there is just so many variations you can run on m+

[quasi ingot]

Whispyr can you please make a build with no build? Thank You!

[balmy condor]

yeah, and the builds there do their job fine

[subtle cipher]

cant fit 30 builds there

[dry ore]

yo guys, quick question please. i've crafted two daggers, one 636 and the other at 619 (old one) but cant equip them both, and tells me the cause is the embelishment of the same categorie. is it going to work if i recraft the 619 one with another embelishment ?

[stark scroll]

he is using golems gearbox even after telling us not too

[spice spire]

Should yes

[glacial crypt]

This is the best bait

[soft surge]

master assassin is now a stape in all m+ builds

[storm forum]

does wowhead have a thing where you can highlight different talents? Like highlight the core in 1 color, and then highlight the flexible points in another?

[stray adder]

is this xQc's chat

[balmy condor]

you will literally ALWAYS be able to point to some streamer/rank1 player and go "hey that's not the guide"

[limber lion]

Just drop the embellishment from the second one

[stray adder]

holy brainrot

[iron valve]

AP build for poison damage

[limber lion]

And craft embellishment on wrists/belt

[balmy condor]

it isn't though but okay

[balmy condor]

yesn't

[mellow goblet]

Oh boy what i just got first run +8 i feel blessed

[soft surge]

according to rogues pushing 12-15 keys w/e it is

[balmy condor]

there's something that kinda could do that sorta

but not really

[urban lily]

tbf on df we had so many m+ variants tho? feels like after last update we have a lot of options

[glacial crypt]

yes team love to see it

big gz

[spice spire]

Congrats homie

[dry ore]

i can put another type of embelishment or should i remove it completely (0 embelishment)

[keen spruce]

if have DN up and going into another big pack. do you gar, gar, env, gar, gar, rup, rup?

[mellow goblet]

thanks friends

[soft surge]

master assassin is also not a button u need to press or an aura u need to really track. its not like its something controversial

[limber lion]

One on the main hand dagger and then a second one on the wrists.

[storm forum]

huge

[keen spruce]

or do you just ambush when DN is up to get more ruptures out

[limber lion]

Remove it completely from the second dagger

One dagger with embellishment, one without

[limber lion]

And wrists with

[spice spire]

Hey shmeeps first time long time, what’s DN?

[drowsy hatch]

aside from MA turning vanish into a legitimate cooldown

[dry ore]

yes i have a wrist with it

[stark scroll]

whispyr isnt even in the top 7

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

Yeah then drop the off-hand embellishment

[spice spire]

Also couldn’t you just like

[soft surge]

that was already in your rotation pre 11.0.5

[spice spire]

It was not in raid

[ebon notch]

i cant wait for whispyr m+ arc for 0.1% more accurate dslice sims

[balmy condor]

okay bud

[limber lion]

If your second dagger is a Stiletto, you're fucked

But hopefully not

[subtle cipher]

tell me again after tomorrow

when elemental will be murdered

[quasi ingot]

is this good crit for my Envenom? i think the headless horseman guy loved it

[soft surge]

for raid you literally just go to wcl and see what the rogues are playing

no theory crafting is needed

[balmy condor]

[drowsy hatch]

if youre just going to wcl

for everything

[soft surge]

let the big guys do the work

[keen spruce]

[limber lion]

No theorycrafting

[drowsy hatch]

why bother with wowhead

[balmy condor]

what do you think the guys on WCL are running

[spice spire]

And how did they get there

[limber lion]

Hmm

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Maybe not for you

[glacial crypt]

THE MASTER BAITOR

[soft surge]

because i want noobs to learn asap and to stop inting my rat alt keys

[spice spire]

Don’t @ me with this what the fuck

[soft surge]

have u seen these guys in 7-9 keys

[glacial crypt]

@soft surge you're adorable and ily

[spice spire]

Yeah built doesn’t do shit that’s just play bud

[heavy sentinel]

homie dropped a chromosome on his way here

[spice spire]

The 1% difference in builds

[glacial crypt]

Yes! They're your guildies who you should just run a premade with if you're that upset about pugs

[stark scroll]

ok

[spice spire]

Is gonna make the 500k alt do 1.6m

[balmy condor]

I mean idk what bro wants

[mossy sundial]

from casual's discord

[drowsy hatch]

you think he has guys who wants to run with him after this

[mossy sundial]

the literal rank 1 rogue rn

no ma

[balmy condor]

should I update the guide

[glacial crypt]

Homie getting to ovinax at WR 900 and flaming theorycrafters for getting people to the point they're at

[balmy condor]

for every single key

[glacial crypt]

🤡

[balmy condor]

that casual runs

[urban lily]

elementals are def being murdered on next patch tho

[soft surge]

thats not what hes been playing the last few days

[balmy condor]

oh shit casual ran a different build

[stark scroll]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZGmBAAAAAAYWmxsNDAAAAAAttMzMBAzMYmZWmtxYwMzMzgZmZbbZMDw2MLjNGzYWaMLLDT2GGWA

[ebon notch]

good

[balmy condor]

time to update guide

[stark scroll]

Please update guide

[balmy condor]

stream up

[drowsy hatch]

10/26/2024

[stark scroll]

please update guide quick

[karmic crystal]

he plays all kinds of things. he played sub in a bunch of keys yesterday.

[glacial crypt]

There's a reason he's in here complaining right?

[mossy sundial]

check it by each key brother man, he only plays MA when he doesnt run IW

[soft surge]

i just think the master assassin thing needs mentioning and adding to the hyrbid staple build

i have all respect for whispyr and co

[balmy condor]

I mean clearly you don't you just spent 15 minutes calling my work shit

[glacial crypt]

And when the meta settles + Whispyr has time (because writing a wowhead guide isn't a full time job) he'll definitely do that!

[honest needle]

do you guys think assasin will stay at tops after all the buffs classes are getting tomorrow ? i have mythic legs n chest from vault last week and if outlaw is going to pull ahead i rather take the chest if not id take legs

[soft surge]

if i dont who is going to @balmy condor

[stark scroll]

double subterfuge

yuck

[glacial crypt]

HIMSELF

[quasi ingot]

i appreciate your work Whispyr! Even if you HATE my girl Taylor Swift

[stark scroll]

i hate that fucking ability

[balmy condor]

me dumbass

[stark scroll]

count me out

[balmy condor]

do you think I don't know that people run ma?

[soft surge]

i use ur plater , i like you

[spice spire]

600 bug fixes 3 tuning changes in less than a week.
Why don’t you have builds listed outright

[soft surge]

im just saying

[balmy condor]

how stupid do you think I am

[limber lion]

Assa will still be very good yes

[honest needle]

@limber lion ok and is outlaw still ahead ?

[balmy condor]

I literally say you can run MA in the pins

get over yourself

holy

[limber lion]

It has never been ahead

[quasi ingot]

this is getting spicy! sips mcdonalds sweet tea

[limber lion]

So no

[stark scroll]

no

[soft surge]

assa is at a beautiful time in the wow spec balance cycle

we are strong in all situations

[stark scroll]

Just build sin

and get offspec sub gear

[honest needle]

we aint great in single target

[stark scroll]

sub is fucking fun rn

[honest needle]

but aoe yes

[limber lion]

Outlaw was only good because of a bug

shit's dead

[stark scroll]

yeah outlaw sucks

and is not fun

feels miserable

[glacial crypt]

information: Is available
lightz: your work is dogshit
???

[quasi ingot]

i wish they would rework outlaw entirely

[stark scroll]

work harder than every other class to do less damage than tank

[silk bane]

Oookay buddy. Sure

[shadow patio]

Yo this gamer picture

[balmy condor]

yeah but imagine if lightz doesn't call my work shit who will!

[shadow patio]

Throw back

[stark scroll]

just build sub

[balmy condor]

he has great respect for me apparently

[quasi ingot]

100% bb

[balmy condor]

just not what I do or say

[soft surge]

im only reffering to wowhead

[balmy condor]

very cool

[shadow patio]

Used to be mine too

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/hunger-games-katniss-everdeen-jennifer-lawrence-volunteer-tribute-gif-4254905

[karmic crystal]

he uses your plater - why would he do that if he didn't like you and respect you?

[glacial crypt]

This is a really good point, I'm sure there won't be any self-criticism since you obviously have a massive ego Mr. Theorycrafter!

[keen spruce]

I'm not even running subterfuge

[drowsy hatch]

even managed to get himself automodded

[balmy condor]

that's the second time in 15 min

[soft surge]

twice now

[hexed canopy]

how much is the impact if we dont play SD in m+?

[glacial crypt]

[soft surge]

what am i saying thats triggering it btw?

im not swearing

[balmy condor]

[drowsy hatch]

es fine

[balmy condor]

wdym you're not swearing

[honest needle]

@silk bane im talking for m+

[limber lion]

That's a weird comment

[quasi ingot]

can we get back on to the topic at hand? TAYLOR SWIFT. I dont like this arguing...upsets my tum tum

[limber lion]

You can like a plater profile without liking the person behind it

[balmy condor]

your first message had fag and the second one had sperg

[drowsy hatch]

can take MA / TTK over SD

[balmy condor]

do you think those aren't filtered?

[soft surge]

but i like the person behind it to

[soft surge]

WHAT

[static glacier]

????

[limber lion]

Oh boy

[balmy condor]

WDYM WHAT

[soft surge]

it did not have the f word???

[balmy condor]

YOU TYPED IT

[glacial crypt]

fam

[static glacier]

whispyr throwing slurs around how rude

[quasi ingot]

uh oh...

[karmic crystal]

Sorry... there's a Kappa face missing

[stuck knoll]

it did have the F word

[mossy sundial]

lets get back to real topic at hand
T A L L
W O M E N

[slate crown]

my guy you know there's a chat history mods can see right?

[limber lion]

Bringing out the popo's

[spice spire]

The real

[drowsy hatch]

That's me!!!!

[quasi ingot]

me likey!

[subtle cipher]

tiny >

[glacial crypt]

bigger woman bigger hole 😭

[soft surge]

i dont think it did unless i misstyped or it was inbetween other letters

[spice spire]

Sup queen

[spice spire]

Dog no

[soft surge]

i dont wannna get banned from here ill just take a step back

[static glacier]

boobs

[stuck knoll]

Your faq did not have a q

[soft surge]

yes

[honest needle]

can some 1 send me the best m+ build xcause wow head doesnt have the 1 listed with the talents u guys are talking about

[spice spire]

Ahh

[quasi ingot]

im a 1.9/10 you guys think i got a shot with Taylor Swift?

[glacial crypt]

we're running it back

[silk bane]

They’re called mommy get it right

[soft surge]

thats what i said

[stuck knoll]

Ye I am just confirming it

[soft surge]

i guess

[mossy sundial]

youre right my fault og

[soft surge]

well my bad

[stuck knoll]

but that's why it got filtered

[soft surge]

literally didnt mean that

[limber lion]

lmao

[stuck knoll]

If we thought you did you wouldn't be speaking rn

[fallow canopy]

from g to q there's quite the road

[glacial crypt]

muscle memory coming into play?

[soft surge]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DANFVVFBQRVVUmJBCQRNVUVVFUYFQFKFQBEEVVVUCEA @honest needle

probably this

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-it-goes-without-saying-gif-12669775144079688963

[quasi ingot]

not bambi again!

[stuck knoll]

what was he saying tho

[ebon notch]

https://tenor.com/view/ahhh-screaming-shout-info-wars-alex-jones-gif-16531120

[silk bane]

What goes without saying tho

[glacial crypt]

straight facts

[spice spire]

Wouldn’t you like to know

[limber lion]

Damn all these people hopping in here

and don't know the memes

[glacial crypt]

it goes without saying innit

[limber lion]

from 10 minutes ago

smh

[honest needle]

@soft surge do you still vanish into garrote ? with this build ?

[balmy condor]

💀

[stark scroll]

love em

[ebon notch]

brb hitting filter and claiming i didnt

[stark scroll]

i usually vanish then cheap shot

then use second vanish

[soft surge]

no idea

[stark scroll]

and hearthstone

[limber lion]

lightz for cf

[devout glen]

so real

[glacial crypt]

🙏

[soft surge]

wait is there drama over subterfuge? iv been away and not logging in for another 3 hours

[spice spire]

This week he was saying “what the fuck is a kilometer”

[stark scroll]

that was what whispyr guide said to do

[balmy condor]

gonna update wowhead guide and have lightz review it to make sure I don't make any mistakes for hisi rat 7-9 keys

my apolo cheese

[soft surge]

XD

[karmic crystal]

moment of silence for all the british smokers who hit the filter in their brb messages

[mossy sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/rhea-rhea-ripley-wwe-wwe-female-wrestlers-wwe-women-gif-10930655915682425413

[stray adder]

mommy

[mossy sundial]

Everyone appreciates a good muscle mommy

[soft surge]

my rat ALT 7-9 keys

[glacial crypt]

She's my goat

[soft surge]

my rogue main would never

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/swag-gif-18906616

[quasi ingot]

HUBBA HUBBA

[glacial crypt]

Have you seen how she pins other women

[cobalt sphinx]

@honest needle

[soft surge]

iv been playing aug and iv seen some shit

[silk bane]

https://tenor.com/view/legs-raven-teen-titans-go-gif-14747016

[stark scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/shelby-cheyanne-tall-gif-21864384

[glacial crypt]

I don't even like wwe but my friends watch it in discord and when she's fighting oh boy I'm in there

[mossy sundial]

Wish it was me fr fr

[quasi ingot]

i just want a muscle mommy to squeeze my head like a watermelon. ill die happily

[glacial crypt]

FR

[honest needle]

@cobalt sphinx what

[stuck knoll]

You hard misread that sentence

[soft surge]

casualaddict is not playing ironwire and that concerns me.

[past forum]

Better not pull that shit in raid

[soft surge]

hes doing to high of a key

[balmy condor]

yeah why doesn't the wowhead guide have no iron wire builds

[limber lion]

In some dungeons...

[quasi ingot]

casual addict also plays Sub for funsies...whats your point

[stuck knoll]

Did not eat enough barbecue

[balmy condor]

guide must not be updated I gguess

[cobalt sphinx]

#assassination message

[soft surge]

because ironwire is def a staple for the average joe

[silk bane]

Nonono muscle mommy was the right sentence

[glacial crypt]

it's almost like you can change what you run depending on what's needed in a premade with comms

[spice spire]

You’ll own me at the end of the year dw

[limber lion]

That's crazy talk

[spice spire]

Like

You’ll win

[limber lion]

I thought it was only dependent on how many rats you have in your key

[soft surge]

what % runs with coms these days

[mossy sundial]

The brain reads what it wants. I'm a simple being

[spice spire]

Not literally own, that’s a human rights bit

[stuck knoll]

This year has gone disasterous for me also I need to nto forget to drop the Bengals defence

[spice spire]

-4 is insane work

Ngl

[quasi ingot]

Bengals are dookie

[glacial crypt]

If I'm to push title this season I won't be doing so without a premade group and VC

Otherwise it'd just be a waste of time

ramming your head into the wall for no reason

[keen spruce]

If I have DN up and going into trash pack. Do you open with ambush to get DSM up right away or do you gar,gar,env then try to to get ruptures out before IC ends?

[drowsy hatch]

wait wait wait are you saying that wowhead is a starting off point and there is a bevy of knowledge and information to be had beyond a writeup

[quasi ingot]

best thing about Bengals are their jerseys...

[stuck knoll]

When I remembered it was too late cuz the waiver wire for the week passed

[honest needle]

@mossy sundial ya but whats the ma build people are linking ?

[drowsy hatch]

in every single class in the game

[stuck knoll]

or whatever the fucking words mean

[limber lion]

Fuck the mark, just open with Garrote

Spread bleeds

And Envenom whenever it fits

[keen spruce]

then mark later

kk

[ebon notch]

does ambush even give you the mark with deepest night up

[silk bane]

I usually ambush. Pretty sure it’s also better to ambush

[limber lion]

Ye

[keen spruce]

that makes more sense

in my brain

[ebon notch]

i swear you just full cp envenom

[limber lion]

No

[spice spire]

Nope wowhead is the only source

Sorry dog

[soft surge]

wowhead is the first point of call for anyone learning a new class

thats just how it is

[limber lion]

Yes, but it's bugged where you cannot consume the marks if you have DN up

[honest needle]

@limber lion whats the rotation difference if you run MA do u still vanish and open with garrote ?

[stark scroll]

I would never I am to addicted to being in top 5 damage

[subtle tundra]

man assa st is so fucking deadge in keys

[limber lion]

You use MA together with Kingsbane

[ebon notch]

i thought it was good

[subtle tundra]

its so bad

its incredible

[limber lion]

12s of MA, so you make sure to vanish so you have MA for KB

[drowsy hatch]

thats what I thought, I will no longer think or experiment further

[balmy condor]

I have a solution but you would have to double check with lightz if the build is okay

[quasi ingot]

i use wowhead and Murlok....i am noob 🙂

[glacial crypt]

Ngl I've got a DN cancelaura macro and just always ambush going into new packs

[silk bane]

why I said pretty sure. Regardless I think impact is very low

[stark scroll]

Plus soon we are on rash and brood which are my fights

[subtle tundra]

you cant do this st in high keys

[spice spire]

Ty for ur service

[subtle tundra]

-.-

[mossy sundial]

Some combination of dropping IW SD SB usually

[ebon notch]

this is a skill issue

[subtle tundra]

yea sure cause you can fuck up assa st

[honest needle]

@limber lion right now im use to vanish into garrotes without ma should i just stick to the build without MA ?

[silk bane]

Based tbh, I just ambush anyways to remove any risk. Cast went off I went to meet allah and got brez’d? Mark still up inshallah

[subtle tundra]

its so fucking simple

[ebon notch]

hey man ur talented

[subtle tundra]

4 min fight

[cobalt sphinx]

pull edna with the trash for funnel

[glacial crypt]

Inshallah brother 🙏

[limber lion]

Nah, use MA it's fun and dank

[severe canyon]

what is the MA IW build?

what do it look like

[limber lion]

take MA, take IW

[honest needle]

@limber lion i would need a list or a opener for it so i can learn it correctly if i dont vanish into garrotes

[limber lion]

Take Subt

Then the normal shit

[honest needle]

subt instead of ma ?

[limber lion]

There's no rush homeboy

Just practice

[limber lion]

Instead?

[stark scroll]

did you update guide I noticed there was no subterfuge supercharge no tea no bonespike double lethality and ma build

[glacial crypt]

ily sm

[limber lion]

They're on completely different trees homeboy

[stuck knoll]

subt is in the class tree

[honest needle]

ooo

[severe canyon]

good point, but then theres no points left for the goodies

[limber lion]

It's okay.

[soft surge]

i miss running hyrbid wowhead build in every key. so much controversy since 11.0.5

[honest needle]

i been doing the opener on wowhead

[balmy condor]

true true

[limber lion]

Just take SBS, MA, IW, SD. Drop Sang

[west crown]

still works'

[balmy condor]

he doesn't want to hear it

give up

[glacial crypt]

xd

[soft surge]

so does a 1990 lincoln town car @west crown

[balmy condor]

bros brain exploded at the mere thought that there could be more than 1 build

[silk bane]

Actually doing some quick math pretty sure ambush is better. The damage u gain from having the mark until u would cast DN which requires at the very minimum like 4 gcds ( get rupture up, get spatter up, build to full, finish), which also eats away at your IC window, I am very sure it’s better. Quick Look at the apl it also ambushes

[quasi ingot]

i draw the line at hating on a 1990 lincoln town car...

[west crown]

well theres like 10. I don't think he's getting past 2

[soft surge]

i just want the powers that be IE whispyr to tell me what build to play

[honest needle]

who me ?

[limber lion]

Brother, it's not a napkin math thingy

It is better not to Ambush

[drowsy hatch]

Sorry if it isn't written in the middle of the first week of the patch it's impossible to know

[limber lion]

The apl still has the old feature in

The bug is not implemented

That's why it uses Ambush

[honest needle]

i just want to learn more then 1 build so i can see which 1 i like best

[limber lion]

This is not a random asspull

This is knowledge

facts

We've simmed it and tried it

[mossy sundial]

Maybe I'm trolling, the difference is minimal from sims but SB > SD all day

[glacial crypt]

I'm just so happy the wowhead hybrid build has tricks in it 🙏

[soft surge]

id rather optimise my plays than builds

[glacial crypt]

@balmy condor so proud of you

[quasi ingot]

@limber lion im behind...so if you have DN up going into a new trash pack you DO NOT open with ambush?

[west crown]

sudden demise execute isnt in sims

[limber lion]

No

You Ambush once in the beginning

Then you only maintain DN

And get marks up with that

[balmy condor]

you definitely don't

[junior aurora]

maintain this

[soft surge]

i really do

[balmy condor]

I mean you can ambush from stealth

[west crown]

no

no you dont

[silk bane]

The bug is irrelevant in this case. Completly irrelevant. If u have no mark you are not pushing the mark down regardless, the bug impact in this case is 0 u till After you have mark up. You’re just purely losing singular focus and clear the witnesses and hunt them down came while trying to spend 3 IC gcds getting mark up when u could just burn 1 if GCD to do the same

[west crown]

we dont

[quasi ingot]

may i ask a noob question?

[soft surge]

ill change builds for raid bosses but mythic+ i only want to change up a few utilitiy talents and thats it

[balmy condor]

I've told you what you can play and the only thing you've done today is hit filter twice and tell me the guide sucks

[glacial crypt]

of course

[west crown]

xD

[spice spire]

Nope that’s illegal (ask away)

[soft surge]

xD

i love you whispyr

[high jetty]

You are allowed to like what you like. But last season with 3-4 builds was so much more fun IMO

[limber lion]

It's not completely irrelevant. That is legitimately the reason it's still in the sims because it hasn't been implemented.

It's not in the apl because it's better

[soft surge]

i will rest now.

[limber lion]

The bug just hasn't been implemented

[glacial crypt]

rest well champion

I look forward to the baits you bring next time

[spice spire]

[quasi ingot]

If im in a trash group and opened with ambush/garroted/ruptured/CT'd.. (lets say theres 6 mobs) Do i spam FoK and just enven? or do i tab target through and keep garrote/rupture up on everything?

[feral mason]

hello cousins and nephews

!!

[spice spire]

In this instance assuming that stuff is living past your initial setup

[drowsy hatch]

get your bleeds up and start slamming envenoms on your caustic splatter target

[quasi ingot]

trying to figure out where im falling flat on AoE

[young light]

Amongst all this absolute sorcery. I have a question - Whispyr does your new UI have support for supercharger? I'm probably being a bit of a moron but like once you shiv, is the combo point a one time use at 5 combos if you're running 7?

[spice spire]

How long are they living

If it’s like

1/2s no

If it’s like 8, setting ruptures up could be beneficial

But also you’re maintaining caustic with a Mut correct?

[spice spire]

Hello young Timothy

[drowsy hatch]

It does not support supercharger rn, as the current wisdom is to ignore the proc and just go with the normal priority on CP spending

[quasi ingot]

maintaining caustic is just mutilating into a ruptured mob correct? or do i have brain rot

[feral mason]

yes 🙂

[spice spire]

No that’s correct

[silk bane]

well the bug isnt actually impactful untl the mark is activated. which is the problem. hence my point that bug has no impact here because until after mark is up AND DN is up. so it woudlnt actively do anything until u consume DN or apply mark with ambush. but regardless impact should be low

[spice spire]

But you said fok spam into env

[quasi ingot]

right

[young light]

Oh right, thanks. Is Supercharger not as beneficial as we originally thought?

[silk bane]

whispyr would know better, maybe he can comment. its an interesting question @balmy condor

[spice spire]

Just have to mut every 9s too

[quasi ingot]

so i just weave mutilate in

[spice spire]

Outside of that yeah

Yeah

[balmy condor]

what I do

[limber lion]

Brother it's literally with him that we've done the sims in the past

[west crown]

you are wrong, leave Cev alone

[limber lion]

It's whatever to Ambush

[drowsy hatch]

No it's pretty good, it just doesn't change how we actually want to play

[balmy condor]

I'm in pooling hell again

[limber lion]

But it is optimal to use DN

Idk

[glacial crypt]

keep sitting there and looking pretty the argument is funny

[covert jewel]

hi, i just got ovinax egg on low alt rog, whats correct use of it?

[limber lion]

The second I lost my color, no one trusts a single word I say

It's crazy

[spice spire]

Brother stop

[balmy condor]

stay under 20

[limber lion]

But yeah

[young light]

So it'd still be max capped envenoms even if we do have a supercharger proc?

[balmy condor]

idk what the argument is

[limber lion]

Maybe I should really retire

[balmy condor]

someone tldr it

[limber lion]

Better to use DN to get mark instead of Ambush

That's it

[cobalt sphinx]

ambushing with dn

[limber lion]

Ambush still fine, but DN optimal

[quasi ingot]

ok cool. ty for the help. still learning and only 612 ilvl atm. doing like 1.1mil dps on overall. dunno if thats ok or not for +8s

[limber lion]

Very minimal either way

[drowsy hatch]

Well 5+ without DN and 7 with DN. It's not a loss to send a 7 CP envenom since it just calculates to 9

[balmy condor]

I mean the ambush is technically optimal for uptime but it's whatever

[glacial crypt]

oop-

@limber lion thoughts?

[limber lion]

I'm done

Whatever

[glacial crypt]

😭

[west crown]

I had your back but the man said otherwise

[limber lion]

Those are literally Whispyr's words

[young light]

Damn, you fast. That was going to be my nexxt question. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks! 🙂

[limber lion]

But now it's the opposite

Alright bedge time

[glacial crypt]

Sleep well captain!!

gn

[normal mist]

Boys and girls

[drowsy hatch]

Lol it's a common question. I should say it isn't a BAD thing to supercharge a 5 cp env to 7 to proc DN. Just don't NEED to

[normal mist]

we gottem

[drowsy hatch]

Tiny tiny gain or loss

[glacial crypt]

allo, royal.

[feral mason]

would

i mean

would transmog into this

!!

[balmy condor]

like think of it this way right

[rare mulch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[balmy condor]

if you ambush, you get the mark up a couple gcds earlier

so you get some extra hunt them down and clear the witnesses or whatever

and then you consume the DN anyway

[young light]

I often find myself at like 4 cp, then my next mutiliate or w/e could +2 or I get a clear the witness proc and then you're always at 4 or 6 haha

[balmy condor]

but it's whatever

[fleet pagoda]

[balmy condor]

I think the biggest thing is like opening with ambush on corruptors at the end of grim batol or something for singular focus

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah exactly, and it's not like you can preserve the supercharger. So it's hard to play that carefully around

[ebon geyser]

how do we sim for M plus? dungeon slice?

[balmy condor]

but it's such a tiny thing

[quasi ingot]

@spice spire sorry to bother you again but with enven being so close in caustic spatter that means im failing at weaving my mutilates in right?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[young light]

That was my thought too. Thanks for clarifying 😎

[spice spire]

Yeah caustic top is good

[ebon geyser]

tks

[spice spire]

Maintain Ct as a dot? Looks low

Eh depends on pull size

So like

If it’s slow pulls

That’s looks fine

[balmy condor]

breakdown looks good to me

[quasi ingot]

well i had to do the damn puzzle on Mists..so its kinda low :/

[balmy condor]

sang seems a bit low

but idk

[spice spire]

Oh yeah ur fine

[balmy condor]

probably fine

[limber lion]

My breakdowns are generally Spatter > CT > Envenom

[inland escarp]

You probably pull bigger though

[silk bane]

ty ❤️

[quasi ingot]

yea im still new. hell last night just watching this discord chat i learned that you CT on 2+ targets lol. i didnt ever CT until it was like 4+ before

[spice spire]

Learning is part of it

[drowsy hatch]

theres a lot of things to maintain

[spice spire]

Hope we’re more beneficial to you and help along the way

[sharp hazel]

We put garrote back on even not when in stealth right?

[true rapids]

how did you get enough coins I only have 40 atm

[drowsy hatch]

unimproved garrote is better than no garrote

[limber lion]

For uptime, note.

[normal mist]

59 total atm with all weeklies + one time only quests and secret finding achievement + crates

[quasi ingot]

oh you are for sure! i appreciate most of you for helping me and all the others out. i see alot of the same names in here always helping. regardless if its hating on taylor swift or checking peoples logs for them. its nice to see

[normal mist]

and a bugged alt

[limber lion]

Obviously it's better for uptime if you get the mark up in a single gcd vs 4

[normal mist]

that had a quest with 2 tokens

[limber lion]

But yeah, it's whatever

[true rapids]

I know I missed out on one coin the hallowfall ones didnt give me a coin maybe it will on an alt

[silk bane]

yeah that was kinda my point, but ngl its legit whatever, i mostly do it as a security measure in case i die and lose darkest night.

[limber lion]

Well, isn't that just super obvious?

[quasi ingot]

With scheduled weekly maintenance (tomorrow, October 29 in this region), we will update the Challenger’s Peril affix.
Challenger’s Peril now adds an additional 90 seconds to the timer of Mythic Keystones in addition to the 15 second death penalty.
We wish for Challenger’s Peril to emphasize precise play and place a greater risk on players’ decisions as they progress through higher Keystone levels. With this goal in mind, we want to give players a bit more breathing room for these decisions by adding a bonus to Challenger’s Peril, while maintaining the penalty aspect of the affix.
oh?

[limber lion]

I mean if you want the mark up asap, you Ambush

[feral mason]

stupid ass change

what

[limber lion]

If you want to do prio damage, you Ambush instantly

If you want to do bigger overall, it kinda doesn't matter

And not Ambushing is probably better

[ornate harbor]

any nice WA to track shit?

[limber lion]

To get you started with cds faster

Anyways

[spark mason]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[honest needle]

Is there a website that i can lookup and research how to play the different builds rotation wise ?

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

Read the guide

[silk bane]

yea thats why I suggested shmeeps that i usually ambush first... i just dont like spreading misinformation so if im wrong i wanna know so i dont spread my bad habbits

[limber lion]

Watch Whispyr's videos

[drowsy hatch]

the different builds arent gonna be that different rn

since theres no actual new buttons

rotationally

[honest needle]

i wanna try the ma build but u said u dont use vanish with garrote anymore and i dont kno how or when to use it with KB

i need like a timeline how wowhead has it so i can see and understand it

[drowsy hatch]

just really TTK slamming more envenoms, vanish being better with MA (use it at the end of KB, either 6 9 or 12 seconds based on subt)

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah the only difference now from the beginning of the expansion is subterfuge and MA, and that's just vanishing in the last 12s of KB

[drowsy hatch]

thats about the only differences for the main variations

[limber lion]

If you have vanish ready and your KB is ready

You press KB

If you don't have MA up and KB has 12s left, then you press Vanish

If you have MA up already and KB is up, wait for the MA to end first

then you vanish to continue the MA

[drowsy hatch]

last part is a good shout about not clipping MA

[limber lion]

You vanish during the last 12s of KB

[cobalt sphinx]

so all guides should be accurate aside from the new vanish usage

[drowsy hatch]

since it breaks it

[limber lion]

As long as you don't overlap previous MA casts

[jagged niche]

@midnight mist someone exposing you

[honest needle]

the old build is still good right

[sly blade]

Hi, wanted to test on dummy my dps using the raid single dps build, and I match the sim. However, I find it quite low for my ilvl, could someone take a look please? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oUx1qM2GQX1hQFDPbaEHcc

[drowsy hatch]

yeah its still good

[crimson zephyr]

how much dmg overall should I do in a +8 grim batol with 621ilvl?

is there something like warcraft log to figure out how I compare?

[limber lion]

Hard to say, depends on the group comp and tank route and so on

But at least like 1.5m+

[cobalt sphinx]

you can log it, logs will count out-of-combat time so it will be much lower than details shows

[limber lion]

I did a +8 GB yesterday and I did around 1.9m with 612 ilvl

[crimson zephyr]

hmm then I dosomething wrong

[agile locust]

If I’m approaching a pack and I have darkest night buff up, what’s prio from stealth, bleeds up then mutilate for CS, then envenom for deathstalkers mark, or do that first then bleeds?

[crimson zephyr]

overall at the end?

[limber lion]

Yes

[feral mason]

cev is goated with the sauce

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter, Ambush to get the mark up in the beginning if you want

Then spread bleeds

[hallow sonnet]

There's so much more that goes into doing dps, especially overall dps, than doing a rotation right

[cobalt sphinx]

i think 1-1.4 is completely fine depending on how clean the run is

[crimson zephyr]

fuck so how do I figure out what I do wrong

[limber lion]

Practice

Record yourself

Watch other people play

How much are you pulling?

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah some of it is based on your pulls

[crimson zephyr]

I'm at 1.07m - run was a few min to spare

[drowsy hatch]

Cant dps too high if your pulls are bad

[limber lion]

That's a bit lowe for sure

[stray adder]

jesus christ atrocityUi plater just got even worse with today's update

[coral ibex]

they changed the update rate despite insisting it doesn’t matter lmao

[vale lantern]

Dps also depends on how much others are doing to influence the speed in which the pack dies

[oblique viper]

Quick question about caustic spatter . Does it deal damage the whole time the debuff is on the target or do you have keep pressing mutilate to make it splash ?

[midnight mist]

real

[crimson zephyr]

yeah I mean I don't have that much practice in m+ yet but still 😛 seems like I do something fundamentally wrong no - I fuck up openers with big pulls a lot, are unsure how to optimize it etc. - so much potential to improve

[limber lion]

It applies a debuff on the target for 9s and during that 9s, all nature damage splashes

[balmy condor]

mutilate applies it, if the debuff is up, it splashes

[limber lion]

So you only Mutilate once every 9s

[oblique viper]

Thanks

[jagged niche]

he wasnt pleased

[hallow sonnet]

Some key things to look out for.
Are you getting use out of your cds? Holding them too long, using them just as something is dying etc etc.
Are your damage windows timed well within the pulls? Like do use cds before mobs are gathered?

[limber lion]

There you go

[subtle tundra]

goes to show rio means nothing

jk getting used to a spec esp in high m+ is really hard

[crimson zephyr]

why would you use cds before mobs are gathered?

[feral mason]

assa doesnt stimulate brain enough

so your brain is asleep when puddles spawn

real!

[limber lion]

Some people might

You shouldn't

[hallow sonnet]

All those examples are things that are bad

[crimson zephyr]

I hold cd's too long for sure - no idea when to use what yet

[oblique viper]

Does it make envenom splash ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[crimson zephyr]

but that's something I already noticed 😄

[limber lion]

Less thinking, more presssing

[midnight mist]

im just struggling a bit

[limber lion]

If your cooldown is ready, press it

[midnight mist]

i die from not having perma sprint

[fresh kelp]

[drowsy hatch]

a huge proportion of your damage will come from slamming envenoms on caustic splatter targets

[midnight mist]

earlier i even died from not having enough feints

can you believe that

[subtle tundra]

yes

cause i have

aswell

[midnight mist]

not enough feints

[crimson zephyr]

can I somehow see how long my CDs were ready unsused?

[midnight mist]

i press feint on cd as outlaw

[oblique viper]

Thank you

[midnight mist]

and here i was just out

no wae

[crimson zephyr]

feint is probably the most used cd for me ^^

[limber lion]

Don't think there's a very simple way, other than looking at logs

[hallow sonnet]

Timer / 2 for deathmark, Timer / 1 for kingsbane

Now that's in practice not possible, but should give an indication

[feral mason]

also

[limber lion]

Yeah, in a 20 minute key you shouldn't press Kingsbane 9 times

[feral mason]

@midnight mist kinda funny, keys that are <90s over time rn

will be timed after wednesday

[limber lion]

Should be closer to 18-19

[feral mason]

score influx inc

imagine not finishing keys

[cobalt sphinx]

we can time our 12s with full wipes now

10+ deaths

👍

[rare mulch]

guys is Dracthyr any good for assa rogue? sims are not up yet in bloodmallet

[balmy condor]

6 deaths for free

[balmy condor]

middle of the pack

[crimson zephyr]

sad that detaisl somehow doesnt record KB and mark - but I think it's rather 10 than 20 times used

[limber lion]

You can definitely see how many casts there are in Details

[midnight mist]

I also have receipts !

[coral ibex]

holy moly 90 seconds

[jagged niche]

bro dont do this to me

[spice spire]

Respect that king

[hallow sonnet]

One learns a lot by watching back video of themselves playing

[jagged niche]

he is in my key rn

[limber lion]

Good Varas

[jagged niche]

i mean this time he is getting pi but still

[crimson zephyr]

I had 12 KB casts

[limber lion]

And what was the timer?

[hallow sonnet]

How long was your dungeon?

[coral ibex]

you can send KB on the biggest target on most packs

[crimson zephyr]

What's the timer for grim batol? that - 25min

[limber lion]

Yeah, not super great. Definitely some room of improvement there.

[spice spire]

That’s low

[balmy condor]

gamer varas even

[midnight mist]

good luck 🫡

[subtle tundra]

...... i depleted a 15 stonevault and 14 city....

[limber lion]

👏

[subtle tundra]

i mean, they were pugs and those people were awful

i dont understand how they play op specs and do dogshit dmg in high keys

[crimson zephyr]

and deathmark you also basically use on cd but I assume timed with KB?

[cobalt sphinx]

like 800k on edna

[subtle tundra]

opa

[crimson zephyr]

what's a high key?

[dusty crescent]

1min kb lowkey wierd to me

[subtle tundra]

i was beating them on overall though

🙂

by quite a bit

[cobalt sphinx]

gotem

[hallow sonnet]

A tip I usually give people is to rather use your CD's too liberally when learning than saving them.
That gives you a better feeling of timing than if you go in with the mentality of hitting the perfect cd

[subtle tundra]

the perfect cd happens once

at the start of the dungeon

[midnight mist]

here another just for you

[subtle tundra]

after that its free for all

[honest needle]

@cobalt sphinx with the old build hybrid build we still vanish with garrote or does that vanish usage change as well ?

[subtle tundra]

i just want to do my last 14...

to get 3.2k

[crimson zephyr]

is there an addon that lists my m+ runs and stuff?

[limber lion]

raider.io ?

[hallow sonnet]

You can run the raider.io client that automatically updates for you

[cobalt sphinx]

hybrid in keys? technically yeah you would for ideal single target dps unless you think you'll need it for aoe or a deathstalkers mark reset

[hallow sonnet]

You can also live log with warcraft logs if you want to track that

[honest needle]

can some 1 link me whisp video i dont see it in pins

[crimson zephyr]

I have that but I don't know where to find a list of my runs

[limber lion]

Just type his name into Youtube

[crimson zephyr]

I'll check the site

[limber lion]

Yup

[hallow sonnet]

There used to be an addon called "key count" or something that tracked all your runs

[limber lion]

The site lists them