assassination

[crimson zephyr]

I meant it more like me being surprised what a little effort can do ^^

[limber lion]

Wowhead is fine, personally I just play this everywhere

[limber lion]

Yeye just poking a bit.

Practice definitely helps.

[soft sluice]

as a tank i learned never run weekly raider io routes soooo idk whats trustworthy anymore XD

[drowsy hatch]

Whispyr does a good job

Trustworthy source and updates either wowhead or the pins here quickly

Not to glaze

[slate crown]

Hey all - I just uploaded a new version with a new visual option of the envenom bar, which allows you to only show the shorter stack, rather than showing both.

I've also uploaded an Icon version which can function the same, based on what options you select, as I know some of you prefer icons over bars and have been asking. I've linked them below, but they're also both available in LE Collection still.

I want to give a shoutout for the help I had in understanding TTK and in testing the various aura versions: @balmy condor @novel star @unkempt tangle @stray adder - Thank you! The aura wouldn't be where it is now without your help.

I think at this point I am considering the aura "feature complete" and will not be expanding them further with more features, at least not any time soon, I need to work on other auras for now (and maybe even play the game!). Of course if any of you find issues with the auras feel free to reach out and I will work to keep them functional and fix bugs.

Main version: https://wago.io/lcM4ssa54
Icon Version: https://wago.io/gt1l0lV3f

[normal mist]

Which one you referring to cev

[humble verge]

i gooned

[limber lion]

The one that literally says to macro cold blood to kb

[slate crown]

#assassination message @grand trail

[grand trail]

thanks mate

[snow juniper]

does anyone have the subterfuge build thats been getting played?

[normal mist]

I'm actually lost yeah

[snow juniper]

ty friend

[limber lion]

np

[formal field]

any rotational changes for this?

[molten flicker]

thank you

[limber lion]

Nothing really, just vanish for KB to take advantage of MA

That's it

[mighty scroll]

we dont need supercharged?

[drowsy hatch]

Nah supercharger is whatever

[spice spire]

Too late confirmed glazer

[jagged widget]

im new do rogue, can someone explain tea+shiv macro? what it does, i though i would always be without tea since it uses when im below 30 energy

[raven egret]

You can still use 2/2 lethality + supercharge, both build works 99% the same either way

[tired gull]

don't go below 30 energy

[limber lion]

Absolutely not

[coral ibex]

it syncs the cd of tea to the start/middle of your kingsbane

[limber lion]

That's fine.

[normal mist]

Thank you friend

[limber lion]

If you auto use tea, it's whatever

[coral ibex]

so you always get a charge of tea for your cds

[spice spire]

Not always gonna be below thirty.
Makes sure you have some buff during kb and always have one for kb since we want to shiv with kb

[limber lion]

If you want to minmax it, you avoid it

[mighty scroll]

okie

[mighty scroll]

okie

[jagged widget]

oh ok ty

[coral ibex]

its the same idea as vanishing in your cooldowns and then having it sync'd

[limber lion]

Npnp

[drowsy hatch]

[snow juniper]

when are we using vanish with the the subter build, i figure MA the end of KB but where does the extra charge go

[spice spire]

[drowsy hatch]

Yes end of kb. If you're running wat the "extra charge" goes away real quick

[raven egret]

idk extra charge is really just backup charge

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah. Just an emergency vanish

[crimson zephyr]

trying to see if my m+ rotation is good. I personally make sure IM in stealth, I ambush, I garrote + ruputre, switch targes, garrte + ruptrure (if big group) and then mutilate + enveonm and then basically just FoK and at full CP crimson and repeat.

Question 1: Why do they start with garrote if we have the proc?
Question 2: You only use crimson to keep the buff up, otherwise FoK is generator and envenom is spender?

[raven egret]

it feels as meh to put a point in it for me as it feels to put a point in supercharger XD

[drowsy hatch]

1. If you have DN, you're going to add the mark to your next 7 cp envenom. Don't need to ambush.
2. Yes

[raven egret]

1- If you have DN there is no reason to ambush as you can simply re-apply mark with full CP
2- Correct

damn it I was slow

[drowsy hatch]

That's the yes vs correct tech

[crimson zephyr]

what is the reason people ambush?

[molten flicker]

they assassins

[crimson zephyr]

😮

[drowsy hatch]

Ambush applies deathmark

Not deathmark

Deathstalkers mark

[crimson zephyr]

is that a talent?

[drowsy hatch]

It's your most likely choice of hero talents

It makes your entire tree function

[lost grotto]

if you wanna be lazy you dont switch targets for another garrote rupture and just do another one on the your main target xd

[crimson zephyr]

that?

[drowsy hatch]

Yes.

[crimson zephyr]

that's different from the "real" deathmark though no?

[drowsy hatch]

It's a completely different spell yes

I'd encourage you to read your hero talents as they are quite important

[crimson zephyr]

does this trigger darkest night?

[crimson zephyr]

what I am doing right now ^^ trying to read everything in more detail and piece it together

[drowsy hatch]

You use 5+cp finishers to consume stacks. Once 3 are consumed, you do a 7 cp envenom which is a guaranteed crit and reapplies the mark.

Very important for our damage

[lost grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/big-damage-tyler-ninja-belvins-ninja-lots-of-damage-thats-gonna-hurt-gif-27064536

[crimson zephyr]

yeah Im stil ltrying to figure out why everyone talks about consuming stacks ^^I don't see anything to consume atm

[drowsy hatch]

It's the 3 on the debuff

You use a 5+cp finisher, it goes to 2, etc.

[woeful meteor]

ty

[raven trench]

!wa

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[crimson zephyr]

ah I just see what confused me so much

[drowsy hatch]

You dont really have to track the stacks, just what target has the mark and when you have darkest night

[crimson zephyr]

plague damage, hmm. are we zombies now?

[molten flicker]

yes

[crimson zephyr]

thansk for all the answers btw

[drowsy hatch]

pretty sure plague is just nature + shadow

[crimson zephyr]

is that how those "new" type of damage work internalls? a superposition of existing base types?

[drowsy hatch]

I cant speak for all of them, but probably

[raven egret]

generally yes, for the purpose of applying modifiers for different specs

[drowsy hatch]

For rogue its so both subtelty and assa can use deathstalker

[blazing slate]

is it normal to feel very energy starved on singe target with m+ build

[raven egret]

in this case its for sub's Shadow damage and Sin's Nature, Plague covers both without the need to change tooltips

[drowsy hatch]

yes, you have to dial it back in st a bit

depending on build

[sudden sigil]

for bosses in m+ do you use crimson tempest on them for another dot or is it not worth it in ST?

[runic hinge]

Deathstalker was also a group of undead rogues

[proven jasper]

The Forsaken !!

[blazing slate]

does momentum of despair increase all critital strike dmg or just fan of knives and crimson tempest?

[drowsy hatch]

Someone can correct me but I believe in pure ST youre better off just doing more envenoms than setting up ct

[royal lantern]

i hope they forsake the entire "hero tree" idea soon

[proven jasper]

Hey they tried ill give em that

[barren yarrow]

Yeah but court definitely should run CS

[primal oasis]

Feels so wrong to play human rogue with that hero tree, kinda makes me wanna swap to my undead rogue

[proven jasper]

Some are really cool and then you have stuff like…. Deathstalker sub….

[drowsy hatch]

tempest, not splatter. You're right ofc

[mighty scroll]

Out of quickwick candlestick, trecherous transmitter, ovi'nax mercurial egg, empowering crystal of anub which 2 combination is good for m+. Sims shows trecherous and ovinax

[barren yarrow]

Splatter for mobs

[drowsy hatch]

but also court isnt pure st and not m+

[barren yarrow]

brood/court you want more AOE so caustic works much better.

[drowsy hatch]

ok im not understanding your point

he asked m+ ST only

[obtuse arrow]

Treacherous/Crystal I think.

[barren yarrow]

Oh I only saw what you had said

yeah tempest and caustic for M+

never ST for M+

unless you got some weird tech no one is aware of?

[drowsy hatch]

hes just asking

if its good to set up CT on a boss in m+

[barren yarrow]

well I’m just answering lol.

[drowsy hatch]

not what to take

[barren yarrow]

Yes CT perfect

👍🏼

[raven egret]

Long story short that was the correct answer

[drowsy hatch]

my mind is now numb breakfast time

[novel star]

No

[barren yarrow]

confusion lol.

Confucius says ouch

[novel star]

ct single target is only a damage gain (0.3% dps) if you had a fan of knives crit before it

and you’re only fanning for ctw

so you are unhinged if you track ctw crits

[amber zodiac]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[novel star]

don’t bother

[spice spire]

Call me unhinged

[winged quail]

that sounds worth time to track ctw crits

[drowsy hatch]

we value our time differently

[raven egret]

even then Envenom will do more for you anyway

[winged quail]

it's 0.2% to not accidentally use tea so with this im 0.5% ahead of lazy people, unstoppable

[spice spire]

I’ve done 58 log reviews this tier

I don’t value my time at all

[limber lion]

Brother

[proven jasper]

Lets make that 59

[spice spire]

Let’s not

[barren yarrow]

How about a round number, say 60?

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

If you need ofc

[novel star]

disagree but

whatever makes you happy i guess

[winged quail]

oh it's for sure not

[drowsy hatch]

ill call upon you when we reclear NP

[spice spire]

What’s good papi

[drowsy hatch]

even though I dont care

just to make you do more work

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-camera-shake-gif-21145390

[drowsy hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-25847488

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-shaking-head-fisheye-lens-gif-25374523

[tacit wedge]

If i'm fanning on ST and I get 2 CP, i just CT

[hardy ferry]

Forgive me if I'm being stupid, but something is generating 6 combo points after I Rupture and I have no clue what is it.

Ambush > Rupture (3 CPs) > I gain 6 combo points

I know 3 are from Bone Spikes applying to the mobs from Rupture, but no sure about the other 3 CPs?

Can anyone enlighten me please!

[novel star]

but 2 cp is a non crit with ctw?

[spice spire]

But ctw grants extra cp…

[drowsy hatch]

Serrated bone spikes stacks per spike you send out

So you'll refill if you do all 3

[spice spire]

What lili said

1+2+3

[drowsy hatch]

also 3 cp rupture

[spice spire]

[hardy ferry]

I know, but it's just something I noticed when I was testing a macro on dummmies.

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah that's how the spell works

You gain 1 for the first one, 1+1 for the 2nd, and 1+2 for the third

since it gives extra per spike out

[hardy ferry]

damn, so because they all go out at once insta 6 CPs

[tacit wedge]

Thank god i'm not raiding

[hardy ferry]

Tysm!

[drowsy hatch]

If you use it st then youll only get 1 ofc

[spice spire]

Because I’d clown you so hard for not knowing an ability that has lasted two months In a 20 year old game holy heck get owned nerd

(Hope you’re not raiding by choice homie)

[tacit wedge]

(i'm not raiding because cba finding a guild)

[spice spire]

I could have helped

I’m doing 1 day a week and loving it prog isn’t what I want per se but also like.
One day a week is so chill

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah I'm doing sat/sun 3 hours and chillin hard

[thorn fjord]

Them rookie numbers @spice spire

[tacit wedge]

Most guilds play on weekends, and weekends is girlfriend time for me

[woeful meteor]

flexing the not playing wow and having a gf smh

[tacit wedge]

She made me casual... No more key pushing, just weekly 4s...

[thorn fjord]

Women are overrated

[tacit wedge]

disappear as i become overrated

[thorn fjord]

[plain minnow]

Whats the exact point of not using 1 global for ambush if i have darkest Night up? Shouldnt it be worth it anyhow for the Autohit proccs etc ?
Or is it just that in aoe for example there are way better globals during subterfuge?

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

much prefer men

[cerulean walrus]

[thorn fjord]

18 naked cowboys

oops

[tacit wedge]

[pseudo cosmos]

im allready getting fucked by grim batol so who needs a gf

[coral ibex]

ok google

[cerulean walrus]

In the showers?

At ram ranch?

[coral ibex]

i don't need a wife, m+ queues fuck me

[thorn fjord]

@cerulean walrus knows

[pseudo cosmos]

out in the yard

[tacit wedge]

I need a wife because i need someone that understands me when I'm mad for being denied in a +3 with 610ilvl

[soft sluice]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[royal lantern]

i understand you

:3

[soft sluice]

you wanna be their wife?

[royal lantern]

male housewife, lets gooooooo

[tacit wedge]

Sry I'm already ringed

[royal lantern]

life goals achieved

[royal lantern]

[tacit wedge]

Oh god she's asking advices to play sin rogue for leveling
I'll fumble the bag and tell her if she generates 2CP with FoK in ST, it means it crit
And not that she consumed CtW

[obtuse ruin]

is there a max stacks of KB you can get?

[dapper halo]

[tacit wedge]

1000%

[soft sluice]

lets go we getting there XD

[tacit wedge]

Saved, i swapped her to Fatebound

[slate crown]

1000% as Eruun stated, but the stack number is 50.

[spice spire]

Huh

I’m almost 2k on quakemother

The stonks are rising

Two chested a 7 Dawnbreaker last night

These are separate thoughts btw

Ik people deny over qualified people for low content all the time

[spice spire]

It’s Joever homie.

[dusty crescent]

what talents am i switching again?

i need subterfuge now yeah?

[tacit wedge]

I just want to get in SoB for a spyglass that wont be 606

[spice spire]

Wtf

[tacit wedge]

Rocking two on-use heroic raid trinkets atm

[limber lion]

For ST?

[tacit wedge]

Uuuh for m+?...

[limber lion]

Or Mythic?

Or...?

[drowsy hatch]

this looks like st which is less likely to take subt

[dusty crescent]

m+

[limber lion]

You change literally everything

[tacit wedge]

Everything

[simple gulch]

This grim batol grind is real as hell

[spice spire]

I mean that can be fine if one of them is mandate

[limber lion]

Play this

[spice spire]

But idk

[dusty crescent]

gimme a export bigdawg

[spice spire]

I get it tho

I dislike double on use

[restive merlin]

!wa

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[spice spire]

Ran it on the spriest for a bit

Shit sucks

[dusty crescent]

wrong fuckin screenshot woops

[cobalt sphinx]

it seems ok if you have a good lineup

like 30 second cooldowns with 90 second trinkets

[humble cradle]

If I did want to swap to ascension on the dagger would I need to recraft the wrists and belt with no embellishment first?

[tacit wedge]

It's not
Arsenal and Twin Fangs
At least in AoE I pump hard

[dusty crescent]

i have 8 talent builds

somehow after patch they're all the same

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah maximum 2 embellishments so you'd have to remove them with griftah's embellishment

[tacit wedge]

[dusty crescent]

for heroics* and 2 for m+

they're all the same now

so wierd

[fickle light]

whats the difference between the regular wowhead m+ build and all the subter/master assassin builds?

[compact bear]

Hey all, fast question.... if i get on 6 combo points, do i use Envenom or do i use another Mutilate to get to 7 points? x)

[humble cradle]

Ok. Does a recraft like that same ilvl but just removing the embellishment cost extra materials?

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[tacit wedge]

Envenom unless you have Darkest Night

[limber lion]

More utility, fun new shiny thing, possibly better here and theresomewhere and most of all preference

[stray adder]

if you have a darkest night proc you go to 7, if not you send it at 5+

[drifting lance]

pog after 60 runs skydyrn..

now what do I do

[hexed frost]

7 if DN is up or else finish

[tacit wedge]

Get ring from SoB

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah recrafting order is usually just materials (gold) and maybe acuity, no sparks or crests required

[fickle light]

so its nothing to do with like playing for ST heavy or anything like that

[limber lion]

Not really no

[drowsy hatch]

The TTK change is slightly more ST favored but its very similar in the end

If you take that in m+

[stray adder]

did you guys see Xaryu pop the new bruto in arena to buy bandages 💀

[drifting lance]

its not even better for me rn

ill just get it in vault

[fickle light]

ok, i will just stick with what i know then, was just wondering because my ST on assa feels pretty ass in m+

[drifting lance]

[hexed frost]

Working as intended

[tacit wedge]

Be at peace, touch grass, wait for next patch to ruin our itemization

[drowsy hatch]

st assa with an m+ build is just going to be iffy

that's how it do

[humble cradle]

Gotcha. Last question, I noticed most of the top m+ rogues are running ascension which I thought was more of a raid thing. Is this just because they likely raid as well or is it to prioritize boss dmg in keys?

[limber lion]

It's because embellishments are pretty shit regardless

So it doesn't really matter either way

[cobalt sphinx]

difference in keys is small, difference in raid is big

[primal oasis]

Are they even worth the gold if they're that bad?

[cobalt sphinx]

and nobody's gonna min/max their embellishments between keys and raid

[primal oasis]

Had to buy multiple tokens to afford embellishments in DF

[humble cradle]

Gotcha. Thank you

[crimson zephyr]

I bet theres a command for weak aura stuff like afanirs rogue thingie etc?

[kindred hinge]

Gold is worthless so why not take them?

[limber lion]

!wa

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[crimson zephyr]

ty

[primal oasis]

I have like 40k gold and consumables are a thing

[crimson zephyr]

how are you so poor 😦

[sour oasis]

Hello Guys, with the nerf, the Hybrid will be better in mm+ than the build with subterfuge and mastyer assassin no ?

[kindred hinge]

Well then you need to think hard about your economy. Even now that the cash cow have slightly dried up it is easy to do 40k per hour/half an hour or 200/300k a week with barely any time spent.

[primal oasis]

Don't have time to farm gold, just to play content

[kindred hinge]

Pins

[limber lion]

Not really

[primal oasis]

Wait how

[kindred hinge]

Enchant net you anything between 30 To 100k per hours with the right spec being afk tagging in. Key but you need 100-300k starting capital.

Concentration alt army is like 2 click a week for 200k+

Never been as easy to generate passive golf with any time involved since wod. And even wid required more investment

[austere bramble]

Hi guys - does anyone know how good or bad dracthyr is for sin?

[drowsy hatch]

mid

[tacit wedge]

It looks pwetty

[primal oasis]

What is concentration alt army?

[austere bramble]

thanks, kinda tired of playing dwarf and thinking of swapping

[drowsy hatch]

Concentration is just a crafter thing you get over time to let you get higher tier crafts. So you have a bunch of alts with professions, use their concentration for money, repeat

[primal oasis]

Yeah I don't have time for any of that tbh

Guess I'll just keep buying tokens from time to time and just play the game

[crimson zephyr]

why does the Deathstalkers mark passive blink? and whats that left of it?

[drowsy hatch]

It blinks since it isn't applied to anything. The left is saying to put your poisons on

[primal oasis]

Maybe I can try boosting some day

[drowsy hatch]

and maybe combat potion

[barren yarrow]

Tempest vial and poisons

[crimson zephyr]

aaahh true thanks

[barren yarrow]

Then death mark, it’s glowing because you have the ability to activate it

Sorry death stalker

then 2 second CD is the death mark

[drowsy hatch]

the 2s is darkest night

[crimson zephyr]

it can read talents right? Becase I can apply 4 poisons ^^

[barren yarrow]

Yeah darkest night

[tacit wedge]

Yes it can

[barren yarrow]

I mean, darkest night turns into the actual death mark though right?

[drowsy hatch]

deathstalkers mark yes

[tacit wedge]

No, darkest night applies deathstalker mark

[barren yarrow]

mkay

[crimson zephyr]

if I can do 4 poison shouldn't it display 4 symbols? I mean I dont care personally just wondering.

[drowsy hatch]

because it's just checking that you have any on

[barren yarrow]

Well yeah that’s what I meant

[drowsy hatch]

it doesnt care about which

[crimson zephyr]

ah so nice, I used an old version that was buggy a bit and I tracked half de stuff myself with random WA. having a nice thing now is sexy.

[tacit wedge]

Blizzard really fucked up with Deathstalker mark/Deathmark

[crimson zephyr]

confused me today a lot ^^

[tender cedar]

off topic question

does blackrock raid counts into vault?

weekly

[drowsy hatch]

yes it does

[tender cedar]

fk

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah. Pain.

[crimson zephyr]

when I open WA and the afanir WA shows everything at all - can I somehow toggle a version I see outside of WA so I can place it better?

[drowsy hatch]

I regret doing it on my main LMAO

[tender cedar]

thats really dog 😄

!wa

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[woven shore]

No time for either the Anniversary or the timewalk bullshit

[kindred hinge]

But that's the thing. It doesn't take time. 5 min to do a bit of research, 1-2 hour to set up 10 lvl 70 alt and 10 minx2 per week.

Basically passive income

[woven shore]

Only thing good about this anniversary is that AH mount for 78€

[tacit wedge]

Sleeping on 900k gold waiting for the token to be dirt cheap and getting the longboi

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, because revamped t2 suck for all classes, and it’s not considered one of the best to ever be released for rogue😂

[woven shore]

Its so ugly wtf

[kindred hinge]

You have until 6 January for the longboi don't fomo

[tacit wedge]

I don't fomo, if the token doesn't hit low enough to my taste, i just won't get it

And take advantage of the thousands of whales that are afk in Dornogal

[kindred hinge]

Shame about BRD though, Raid is fun even in normal but the tuning, no interesting reward and the timewalk system just make it a pain to so it

Longboi (while still very useful) is not as useful as in BFA since the warband bank introduction

[hollow dirge]

Disgusting even

[primal oasis]

Is there a guide somewhere?

[crimson zephyr]

for proper goblins it's nice because you can be at a mutli crafting table now 😄

[tacit wedge]

I'm talking abt the new longboi, the BFA one is dogwater on top of costing a gold cap (assuming you're lucky enough to snipe it at BMAH)

[kindred hinge]

You can go llurk on wow economy reddit / discord. Or watch some youtube creator but be mindful that any method that is reveal will tank fast. But basic theory is get a craft that don't require much skill / KP transform R2 mat in R3 finished product for a good profit using concentration

[kindred hinge]

Yup but even new longboi is not as useful unless you are a hardcore goblin/ farmer since they introduced warband bank. Will still buy it anyway

[kindred hinge]

Laugh in enchant

[ebon lava]

MA still good with 20% crit chance ? (next week patch)

[kindred hinge]

Pins

[coral ibex]

nah MA fuckin stinks now

reroll

[drowsy hatch]

assassination is USELESS its all completely over

invest in shadow priest NOW

[tacit wedge]

I'm a goblin because i'd rather spend 80 hours to minmax alts and not rely on AH for my consumables, but the new longboi would still be something i consider "not really needed, there's whales for that"

[kindred hinge]

Just reroll ENH

[tacit wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-shadow-wizard-money-gang-casting-spells-we-love-casting-spells-gif-13248176114891128394

[ebon lava]

enh also big nerf

[crimson zephyr]

I'm goblin cause me so rich I dont look at prices 😮 too lazy to craft stuff myself I even sell on the AH xD

[coral ibex]

yea but imagine you're doing keys with your discord kitten and she needs consumes and you gotta say sorry babe i dont have the new bruto...

[primal oasis]

Kk thanks

[primal oasis]

Then other guy gets on it...

[tacit wedge]

I don't have this problem, i always have a 200 stacks of every consumables

[woven shore]

I was thinking about getting it only because its not an everyday Thing

[kindred hinge]

I am a goblin because I would rather drop 1m at someone on my third GB run to get skardin grace than do 70 run

[crimson zephyr]

I. thought about the same but that think never dropped xD

[tacit wedge]

I'm a goblin because i'm 1m40 tall, green skinned and from a volcanic island in the middle of the South Seas

[kindred hinge]

You should have seen it, the tank in the keye dropped it went on a rave about how he finally got it aftter 60 run. I bought it at 300k, was willing to go 1m. He started as no way and you could see his soul slowly erode

As I uped the ante

[pseudo cosmos]

KEK

everything has a price

[crimson zephyr]

nice

[kindred hinge]

He did not knew that I sold an ara kara trinket for 400k the key before ahaha

[crimson zephyr]

tank souls eroding, nice. I like.

[tacit wedge]

I made my fortune deathrolling between pulls 🚬

[patent snow]

With Caustic Spatter, do we need to be cycling through targets to spread Garotte and Rupture? Or can we just continue to apply it to the prio target and it will continue to spread?

[kindred hinge]

You maintain 5 rupture and garrot on main target

Better to use mouse over macro for full optimisation

[sand jetty]

for m+ only, is dawnthread lining better than ascension + armor banding? seeing a lot of streamers with the ascension but guide say lining?

[crimson zephyr]

can you elaborate pls?

[kindred hinge]

But during IC you can just spend on main target and it will spread

[tacit wedge]

Streamers are optimized for raiding because m+ embellishments are less valued

[kindred hinge]

IC window for pull 6-8 you can just send o main target garrot and rupture.
Maintenance window you try to keep 5 rpture active, and rupture + gar on your prio target that has caustic

You want 5 rupture for the stacks of sents that give you agi

[novel star]

garrote on prio target is not really relevant unless you need the energy specifically

[patent snow]

I didn't think about mouseover, that would help. So if we have 6 targets, I'd garrote and rupture prio out of stealth, then mouse over to another target and garrote and rupture and then all 6 should have both bleeds due to the way Caustic Spatter spreads?

[novel star]

but otherwise yes true

[drowsy hatch]

has nothing to do with splatter

[novel star]

you just do 5 ruptures and vibe

[drowsy hatch]

but yeah it should be on 6, but just sending on the main target gets 5 which is enough for max scent stacks

which is all you need

[novel star]

!ic

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[drowsy hatch]

There ya go

[kindred hinge]

Mouse over allow your auto attacks to stay in the target while caustic is active while if you tab you don't. Very minor min maxing

[patent snow]

Oh thata exactly what I needed. Thank you.

[novel star]

i would not worry about it

[patent snow]

Oh i meant IC, sorry for the mix up.

[drowsy hatch]

yeah thats what I assumed its fine

[patent snow]

This clears up so many questions.

[novel star]

i made mouseover macros and i basically only use them for intentionally wasting a garrote anyway to extend iron wire on a caster

[patent snow]

Thank you.

[novel star]

the damage is so irrelevant

[tacit wedge]

Mouseover macros makes my brain hurt so much, they're just minmaxing

[viral trench]

if you're only doing m+, is dawnthread embellishment better?

[novel star]

yes

[lunar berry]

Howdy, As assa now after patch. If you play cold blood, when do you cast CB?

[novel star]

macro it to kingsbane

[lunar berry]

aight, cheers!

[novel star]

the real answer is you press CB after deathmark always

for edge case

but

thats an extra keybind

so you can just macro to kingsbane and achieve the same shit for barely any loss

[lunar berry]

nice

so dm,.cb, kb

[novel star]

ya

[lunar berry]

thx m8

[novel star]

well

if youre deathstalker youd macro it to envenom

but

dont play cold blood on deathstalker lol

[drowsy hatch]

yeah presuming fatebound here

[novel star]

the after dm thing only matters for fatebound

[lunar berry]

ok

[crimson zephyr]

is there any other way to apply deathstalkers mark without ambush from stealth?

[drowsy hatch]

which it would be a bit odd if youre ds with cb

[drowsy hatch]

darkest night

[lunar berry]

ill try it out. thank you again

[twin plume]

what do you think about taking SB instead of SD?

[crimson zephyr]

yeah but that only procs from. eating all the stacks no

[drowsy hatch]

yes

but thats how you apply it most of the time in M+

[crimson zephyr]

so if you fuck upo the opening, you fucked

[kindred hinge]

Works too, basically all the Subt + MA build variation sim in the same range. Play what you like gameplay wise

[crimson zephyr]

ok thanks

[drowsy hatch]

when you are chaining

if you need to get the mark on you can vanish then ambush

but also dont fuck it up

[crimson zephyr]

yeah now Im way more aware of that

[radiant shadow]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[finite wedge]

Hi , i was playing the full m+ talent , just noticed on wowhead , that play this talent i linked , i've triyed but i don't understand why play this ( mostly ST talent if i understand, can anyone can explain me please? < 3

[cobalt sphinx]

that is st

[drowsy hatch]

this just looks like the ST build

[pseudo cosmos]

it is the st raid build

[finite wedge]

mhm aight , mby im dumb then , should play this only for raid?

[cobalt sphinx]

only on 3 fights in raid

[drowsy hatch]

this is the current m+ build on wowhead

[crimson zephyr]

you use ambush even when you have the proc'

?

[finite wedge]

think i just probably missclick anything u're totally right haha

[kindred hinge]

If you have DN you can ambush but it is often situationally better to start garrot. You go faster into your cooldown

[crimson zephyr]

thanks

[kindred hinge]

As long as you can proc DN rappidly after spreading

But with subt anyway you have a lot of leeway

[crimson zephyr]

subterfuge

? or what is subt

[drowsy hatch]

subterfuge.

[kindred hinge]

Yes

[crimson zephyr]

ah I dont have that atm

[drowsy hatch]

probably want that for m+

es good

[crimson zephyr]

maybe no idea yet, stil running basic builds and I think it doesnt include it

[drowsy hatch]

might be easier for you as a beginner

since it makes your opener more flexible in aoe

[jade moon]

Does Crippling Poison increases damage with Lethal Dose talent?

[peak saffron]

is this chat still dooming

[thorn fjord]

not as bad

[fallen arch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[fallen arch]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[fallen arch]

How does this macro work

[lunar berry]

Do you use shiv before or after DM?

[livid spear]

how can i find the plater profiles for assA?

[cinder steppe]

no way Ado banger

[heavy canopy]

!wa

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[pure moth]

!wa

[primal karma]

Write !wa

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[livid spear]

what plater do u recomend ?

[lunar berry]

!WA

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[young dust]

ado and overlord!!

Love Ado, she just announced her world tour

[kindred hinge]

Since the hotfix yesterday I did not have Deathstalker mark disappearing but I had some random darknest night proc poping while still having the mark active.

I have not ambushed either, any idea why ?

[cinder steppe]

yeah! i hope to get tickets for Barcelona, i went to the Brussels last tour and it was fucking crazy

[young dust]

you went to her concert? must be f'ing awesome

[cinder steppe]

yesss, her stay with me cover is still engrained in my brain until the day i die hahaha

[primal karma]

Can anyone link me m+ talents with subt? These sim the highest for me while having iron wire, but I'm not sure if droping serrated bone spike is worth it

[indigo thicket]

!wa

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[young dust]

her unravel cover is like 10/10, not sure if she always sings it though

[cinder steppe]

she sang it to me at least, and if i recall it was the same setlist for every concert

i hope she continues in this coming one and hopefully i can listen again!

anyways grats on the kill man!

[young dust]

thanks!!! if i help at least another rogue i'm very happy already 🥰

[blazing slate]

stupid question probably, but how do you sim which flask is best for u?

[young dust]

i just slam alchemical chaos

probably everyone does

[blazing slate]

¸is it different in m+?

compared to raid

[young dust]

nope, same thing

even in higher keys versatility flask isn't too much of a difference

[blazing slate]

ok

[tribal gulch]

I personally prefer SBS over MA for M+

[blazing slate]

what about the weapon stuff? like bubbling wax and the whetstones

[tribal gulch]

Always ironclaw whetstone

[timid coral]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[stray adder]

you don't have to choose between sbs and ma

[sand jetty]

do we click slice and dice or tea now btw? (in m+)

[young dust]

you can unbind slice and dice

[stray adder]

you can remove snd from your bar and you can macro tea with shiv

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[sand jetty]

oh, cheers!

[open socket]

why does my "#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover][] shadowstep
" not work like my rupture does? prioritizes mouseovers then target, but is broken with shadowstep

[stray adder]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/use [@mouseover, nodead, exists] Shadowstep

[open socket]

is there a quick explanation to why those two modifiers fix it?

[primal karma]

Isnt the whole point of taking subt to have MA active for 12 seconds? Currently for me, in m+, taking MA with Subt2, and having sanguine blades instead of SBS is simming the highest, but I'm not sure what will be the ST performance in dungeons

[stray adder]

yours work for me

idk

do you not mouseover a target when you press it lol

[open socket]

mouseover a nameplate or target, ya.

[balmy condor]

Are you sure, cause bosses are definitely immune

[open socket]

but the [] after the exists] just makes it go to t arget if there is no mouseover

[stray adder]

like I said, i just tested it yours and it works

[open socket]

idk

ty

[pseudo cosmos]

probs some shenanigans with airborne irritant?

[fickle light]

are you guys using shiv on CD in m+

[slim tundra]

in line with tea most of the time

if u drop suden demise wht talent should u take?

[hushed elbow]

people are dropping SD for MA

[drowsy hatch]

SD for TTK / MA

usually SB & SD for TTK & MA

[slim tundra]

is it worth it?

[drowsy hatch]

sims better generally

the difference will be less pronounced with MA nerfs but its still prob better

even discounting the extra utility out of iron wire

[slim tundra]

kk ima give it a try i think dont see getting muich use of SD anymore i feel

[balmy condor]

No, that’s not how airborne works, it simply checks all targets in the area and blinds those if possible

Bosses can’t be blinded

[unreal fern]

!wa

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[pseudo cosmos]

aha ok fair

[earnest hare]

do u run wound poison on m+?

[balmy condor]

No

Wound poison sucks ass

In a mega way

[earnest hare]

gotcha

[pseudo cosmos]

its a lethal u dont even have room if ur running deadly and amp

• what whysp said

[dim yacht]

its used for pvp only period, except in extremely rare cases where there are mechanics in a raid/dungeon where something might heal at certain times

where you might switch temporarily for a 10 seconds or something

[limber lion]

That's not even a thing

[hollow moss]

!wa

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[deep abyss]

whats the argument for blessed weapon grip vs ascension?

[delicate imp]

Is WA being funny with anyone else atm??? I just grabbed Whispers sin rogue pack off wowhead and theres a grey box over half of envenom???? ive heard others having a grey box with other things not sure if its WA for them

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah thats how it will show without ttk

if you take ttk it will be 2 bars

[balmy prism]

Do you play MA+ttk without subt? I hate that fucking talent with all my heart

in keys

[crimson zephyr]

on the left is the timer for buff and the blue thing is the potential uptime next enveonom

[drowsy hatch]

you prooobably still take ma+ttk without subterfuge

[delicate imp]

oooooh thank you! i was like oh no lmao cheers friendo!

[drowsy hatch]

the difference shouldnt be that big. You just vanish for MA at 6 sec on KB rather than 12

[lunar berry]

Hi, do you shiv before or after dm?

[limber lion]

after

[drowsy hatch]

dm shiv kb

if you have 2

[balmy prism]

Yeah I know that part lil ty

[lunar berry]

ty 🙂

[balmy prism]

second question then, how troll is it to drop wire and DS for doomblade+sbs in the ttk/ma setup?

[drowsy hatch]

think it would be insane to drop iron wire

[balmy prism]

yeah but playing with the idea that it's not needed in a coordinated group really?

[drowsy hatch]

think it would be better for a coordinated group to play around your wire than a group playing around you not having wire

[crimson zephyr]

but the display might be ab it bugged should stil ldisplay the envenom symbl but looks like that for me too so no idea

[drowsy hatch]

but if you really feel its unncessary for your group I can only argue so much

since its kind of a decision between you all

[balmy prism]

fair

I just really like sbs lol

[drowsy hatch]

you can drop SD and SB for TTK + MA instead

that's more common

[balmy prism]

ooh

true

I'll give it a test run

[drowsy hatch]

and some just drop SD for MA and skip ttk

theres lots of good stuff and theyre all similar

[balmy prism]

Ah, I guess I'll have to do some simming

[spiral basalt]

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[balmy prism]

I care more about my ST since i typically play with a fdk/sham

(generally speaking)

and if I'm pugging, long bosses = more chances to fuck up

[drowsy hatch]

mm your current build will probably sim best then

but try not to torture yourself if you want sbs

especially if youre playing with sham and fdk you kind of need that quicker ramp time

on aoe

even if that's less important for your group in general

[balmy prism]

True

[drowsy hatch]

It's all fun and flexible though!! Which is the best thing about assa in m+ currently

[balmy prism]

Another question then related to SBS, on packs that live for a bit longer where you need to refresh ruptures, does it make sense to use a global during your vanish window in KB to refresh? Or do you just go ham and then refresh manually?

[cloud fox]

With auto tea now, do we need to always stay above 50?

[prisma sundial]

no its a minimal loss if it auto goes

[merry bison]

I went sin a week ago and the dmg difference to law is cringe

hard path to go back

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[gloomy otter]

what build yall prefer for m+ rn , with or without bones , and is echo worth using?

[limber lion]

echoing reprimand does not exist

[gloomy otter]

i meant supercharge

[limber lion]

No supercharge

[merry bison]

Wouldn't lay everything on skill, just way harder as law to go beyond 2mil, you'll hit a certain plateu where rng will dictate your dmg output

[limber lion]

Subterfuge

Always SBS

The question is rather whether to play SD or TTK

[limber lion]

Yes, you should reapply bleeds during the vanish window.

[loud brook]

what is sbs?

[limber lion]

serrated bonespike

[loud brook]

ty

[opal plume]

or ma

[limber lion]

master assassin

[opal plume]

u play it ?

[limber lion]

with subterfuge yes

[tardy terrace]

Do we just send cds on pull on ovinax

or do we save it for add spawns

[strong vortex]

1 button macro for poisons??

[umbral sigil]

cant do

[strong vortex]

😦

[coral ibex]

4 presses every hour too hard

[umbral sigil]

Still need to reapply poisons in 2024 is nonsense to be fair

[opal plume]

cast sequence macro no?

[gloomy otter]

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=target/combat/15 posion1 , poison2 , poison3 , poison4

[coral ibex]

how is it 8

[umbral sigil]

can do* , i thought that wouldnt work

[gloomy otter]

the poisons you gotta type yourself ^^

[strong vortex]

1 on poison, 2 on chosen poison, repeat.

[umbral sigil]

I have them on a seperate bar and not in the dropdown box

[coral ibex]

get a weakaura with clickable icons

[umbral sigil]

flyout box?

whatever you crazy teens call it these days

[deep gyro]

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[sudden sigil]

so for the m+ build, do i consume bone spears naturally or should i send rupotures in order to spend Bone?

[opal plume]

garotte rupture rupture

[limber lion]

It's just a passive effect

[grim jay]

you just rupture as usual

[limber lion]

You do not do anything extra

[sudden sigil]

Got it thanks

[opal plume]

so sd or ttk?

[sudden sigil]

Was wondering if i was fucking up by having the stacks at max some times

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah keeping stacks is whatever. It's all about the double ruptures via ic

Or just helping if you have to do manual ruptures. The actual damage is meh

[fickle light]

if i run ttk/MA/ subter, do i proritise anything in the opener/subter windows? or just same opener and FoK as builder in aoe

[drowsy hatch]

Tis the same

[limber lion]

Just run sd

[drowsy hatch]

The only real rotational change is vanishing at 12 secs during kn

[fickle light]

so i don't spam ambush during subter

[drowsy hatch]

Kb

[limber lion]

Same stuff, one Ambush for the mark and that's it

[drowsy hatch]

I'm sure it's a different breakpoint than normal but fok spam will win basically always

[fickle light]

so i pretty much vanish 2 seconds after kb and thats the biggest change

[drowsy hatch]

For a builder

[limber lion]

Assuming you don't have MA running already, yeah

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah just be careful about the MA bug

If you vanish with MA still on it won't reactivate

So let it drop off first

Plus that's more uptime anyways so it's ideal

[fickle light]

im guessing thats only possible to do straight out of opener going into cooldowns?

or if you're running double vanish i guess

[limber lion]

Ye

[ancient tangle]

they removed Flenshing Knives ?

[drowsy hatch]

It can get close at the end of your opener but it should be fine

Just a caution

And yeah flensing is gone finally

[limber lion]

Yes

[ancient tangle]

oh

ok thx 🙂

[drowsy hatch]

So take bait and switch freely

[ancient tangle]

ah ye

oh ye

[kindred hinge]

Simming better and marginally better on dummy without sbs tbh with SD + TTK.

[limber lion]

In mythic+?

[kindred hinge]

Yup

[ancient tangle]

do we know the approximate loss of dmg from the removal of flenshing ?

[limber lion]

around 2%

[kindred hinge]

Gameplay wise it is not as smooth without it but subt compensate

[ancient tangle]

ok ty 🙂

[limber lion]

Link the sim

I wanna see

For my profile it's not even close

[kindred hinge]

Will send one after my key

[limber lion]

SBS gets dropped for SD/Dashing

And it's a 3.7% loss

[vast heath]

Guys why am I sometimes ripping aggro midway through pack

with tricks up

?

[kindred hinge]

Your tank is bad

[vast heath]

But shouldn't it just give all my aggro to him anyways?

[strong vortex]

How do i use it right way?

[royal lantern]

you see, the thing is

tricks is allready ussules and does nothing

lol

like, you dont play it for a reason

[pure moth]

^

[royal lantern]

and if a tank loses aggro beyond the first 2-3 seconds of a pull

they are just bad

nothing you can really do

[vast heath]

Oh

just saw casual running it so

[royal lantern]

like sure, if you go mad burst aoe when they gathering stuff its something different

but when you fight for some time and they lose aggro, wtf are they doing

[vast heath]

Ye it was prob 4 seconds in

after gathered

[winter gale]

Can I use 2x crafted daggers?

[royal lantern]

they use it for entirely different reasons

and not "lol tank aggro problems" lmao

tricks doesnt help at all

the 3 dot ticks you do dont suddenly make a difference

[vast heath]

Ah, care to share the reasoning, just want to know if it's even worth my time

[round perch]

what do i drop to get subterfuge? none of the builds on Wowhead and Icyveins use it

[vast heath]

just so they can start applying dots during gathering?

[slow snow]

Yeah it’s more for you not for the tank really. It’s totally worth it trust

[drowsy hatch]

It's in pins but drop supercharger and recuperator and 1 point of lethality

[royal lantern]

lethality/supercharger

[round perch]

thanks

[royal lantern]

ye

which is like

you dont do those pulls in shity pug runs

thats highly coordinated pulls in set premade groups

[vast heath]

fair

thanks guys

[kindred hinge]

And applying IW onto caster far away

[royal lantern]

99,99999% should play blackjack always

[kindred hinge]

Without getting melee

And blackjack more useful in pugs

[royal lantern]

tricks is literally only used for very VERY specific things

^ what myast said

[slow snow]

Who tf is sapping shit in pugs pre pull like what?

[fickle light]

with subter during cds do we improved garrote before or after shiv?

[scarlet wyvern]

for Assa do we always sim Dungeon Slice for M+?

[kindred hinge]

Like for example first pull of boralus, you have an isolated caster. Your tnak will often tag it make no aggro. You go in put IW and you get fucked up. With ToT you don't but that's marginal

And if your tank is not an idiot he will do one GCD to odo some aggro on it while gathering which make Tot useless

[royal lantern]

?

wdym sap

[ancient tangle]

iw ?

[slow snow]

Oh I forgot blind was a part of BJ

[royal lantern]

lmao ye

[vast heath]

IW = iron wire?

cool

thanks everyone

[ancient tangle]

ah yes sorry

[slow snow]

I prefer tricks, it’s great for bosses with adds as well.

[royal lantern]

turns out

aoe disorient+30% dr for 6seconds is KINDA strong

[vast heath]

tricks seemed pretty helpful a lot of the time but

this nw pull i just got meleed so idk

[royal lantern]

what boss has that this tier lol

[vast heath]

maybe i thought it was doing more than it was

[royal lantern]

and what boss has adds where a ROGUE pulls more aggro on adds then any ranged dps

[slow snow]

Last boss GB, 2nd boss DB

[royal lantern]

like

you realise how ussules tricks is cus it does nothing on rogue in general

[kindred hinge]

Sin don't generate aggro, tricks transfer aggro to tank. Transfering barely any is not useful outside of specific pull.

[royal lantern]

outlaw has no burst

subs burst doesnt work with tricks

and assa does dot dmg/slow ramp dmg, which means tricks does nothing really compared to everyone doing their instant dmg

[mint prawn]

Hello i have a question, im confused sometimes, which spell should be my top damage on the details at a m+ dungeon

[limber lion]

Spatter or CT

[cunning urchin]

do I still use the m+ talents listed in wowhead? ppl on murlok.io are doing some different stuff

[mint prawn]

Does the caustic spatter do more damage if its on more targets or is it target capped ?

[royal lantern]

read spatter

[slate crown]

"Limit 1"

[royal lantern]

pls

its "you cleave from this guy"

wdym apply more targets

[drowsy hatch]

Wowhead is fine, alternative builds are in pins

[slow snow]

CS kinda cranks especially in KB

[mint prawn]

Because sometimes my top damage is CT and garrote that is why im asking, but thank you

[royal lantern]

so you have adds you use kb on and the tank doesnt take aggro for 10-14seconds, and you are STILL alive and didnt get meleed down?

[drowsy hatch]

That generally just means you aren't slamming enough envenoms

But ct should be pretty high anyways

[slow snow]

KB on the boss slamming and spatter is cracking in aoe.. adds spawn you send tricks so you don’t rip threat intsa

[mint prawn]

Yeah but garrote scares me 😂

[drowsy hatch]

Yeahh if garrote is second for you that's worrisome

[deep breach]

hey guys quick one. if playing with 1 shiv, am i using before kingsbane or during?

[drowsy hatch]

Just make sure splatter stays on, you're using kb on your splatter target

[limber lion]

last 8s

[deep breach]

gotcha ty

[limber lion]

np

[strong vortex]

1 Button all poison.

#showtooltip
/castsequence Numbing Poison/Atrophic Poison,Crippling Poison,Amplifying Poison,Deadly Poison
/click StaticPopup1Button1

Note: Delete ether Numbing Poison or Atrophic Poison, and left only what you use (and no spacebars after dot).

[slow snow]

It helps to make a shiv WA that glows and makes a sound so you don’t even have to think 🙂

Hear noise press shiv

[deep breach]

this sounds v nice if i could make WA haha. im sure i can find one though. ty for the tip

[slow snow]

It’s super easy make a shiv WA, add a trigger that tracks kingsbane debuff, set for <=9sec (to give you 1 global to press), add condition that glows and makes a noise when that trigger is active.

[mint prawn]

Thank you so much for the information guys !

[grand trail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grand trail]

any nice poison reminder?

[winter gale]

Can I use 2x crafted daggers?

[grand trail]

you can

[limber lion]

Sure

[plucky patio]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[old hedge]

when i apply mark to initial target and then i tab target a lot and there are many enemies, i lose my mark target, how do you guys deal with that?

[drowsy hatch]

Not tab targeting

[thorn fjord]

Keep tabbing till its back lol

or if you're running subt just re mark

[old hedge]

if i need to kick or CC?

[craggy ruin]

yo

why pi is good aoe?

[drowsy hatch]

In that case I just put it on the biggest boy and remember the biggest boy. I believe the plater makes the name purple too

[prisma sundial]

how do i get raidbots to find the best simming talent tree with my current gear?

[pliant remnant]

Just silence or

[limber lion]

huh

[drowsy hatch]

jk it doesnt make them purple but it has a big ass mark

[limber lion]

By having a platerprofile that colors the border

You can probably guess which one has the mark

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah there you go

[old hedge]

Yeah that's a good solution i guess

[limber lion]

I guess?

That's the solution

[drowsy hatch]

tis the best you got

[rose dirge]

xDD

[limber lion]

Take it or leave it

[rose dirge]

why is one green?

[limber lion]

🕺

[rose dirge]

Looks like atrocity plater to me

[limber lion]

Because it has Caustic Spatter on it

[rose dirge]

hmm

can you send me that plater

kinda like it

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[limber lion]

Right here ^

[rose dirge]

yeah which one

[limber lion]

The one that is literally called

Ceverion's Plater

[drowsy hatch]

"Ceverion's Plater"

[old hedge]

is that just to showcase the colors or would you have caustic spatter on a different target than mark?

[limber lion]

lol.

[sonic raft]

u reckon this will be a good m+ build?

[rose dirge]

dont give me that attitude >:D

[limber lion]

Drop the Sang for SD and you've got a build

[rose dirge]

there are 2 platers there ok

[limber lion]

Yes

One is Whispyr's

And one is Ceverion

My name is not Whispyr

[rose dirge]

oh shit

you are ceverion

im stupid

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[limber lion]

It's okay

[shy pecan]

Sup Whispyr

[old hedge]

is that just to showcase the colors or would you ever have caustic spatter on a different target than mark?

[limber lion]

Yeah just for colors

If you had Spatter + Mark on a single target (as you should), you'd have a green nameplate with a purple border

[rose dirge]

Ceverion you have anything for ttk?

[old hedge]

thoughts on this for m+?

[rose dirge]

its seems fine

more st oriented

[stray adder]

thats fine

[old hedge]

not sure if i shouldn't drop ttk for sudden demise

[stray adder]

drop ttk for sang

[umbral sigil]

guys ive never played a class that actually had choices in builds, im using the wowhead one now for M+, which talents can be changed or should be grouped together? Is there a breakdown of this somewhere?

[drowsy hatch]

there is in the pins

but tldr the ones that get changed are sanguine blades / sudden demise for ttk / master assassin

and permutations of that

all of them end up being pretty similar in the end

[mossy sundial]

was running this in 10/11s last night and it was fine

aoe drops a bit while st / prio goes up

just depends on what you need in your group

[sharp hazel]

I did level my rogue to 80 after asking questions the other day

way more enjoyable than lock

even if they just did get buffs

[mossy sundial]

if you wanted to change anything i'd drop ttk for either SB or SD assuming youre committed to MA

[rose dirge]

The best tip is

test things out

what do you like

what feels good

[pine karma]

Does anyone know how much cleave range i have with caustic spatter?

[steel geyser]

The wowhead build is the more popular one and you can stick to it

[waxen oyster]

The standard variants are dropping sb and sd for ttk and ma, or dropping the 2 bonespike talents for ttk+ma

[thorn fjord]

no chance you have a mod for just that eh?

[limber lion]

Of course

[thorn fjord]

Oh man can you DM it to me

[limber lion]

You can just rip it from the profile

[mossy sundial]

I find that uptime on 2x envenom in ST is a bit of a challenge when you're starving for resources but Im also shit so

[golden loom]

it cleaves off the add, not your character

[waxen oyster]

and dropping supercharger\recup/1 lethality point for the subterfuge path

[limber lion]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[pine karma]

sure, but how far around the add?

[golden loom]

depends on add hitbox I guess

[waxen oyster]

There’s also an argument for only 1 subterfuge point keeping the 2nd lethality point

[thorn fjord]

@limber lion i use Naowhs Plater... I just need to import yours and find the DM string and just add that or? Not too familiar with how plater works

[limber lion]

I gotchu

Just open up /plater

Go to "Scripts"

Then click on "Import"

And paste this in:
Ts13Vnnmq4)x2lBrIuLK10WMepamqAirvL8EIhoz34RRHAITo7meV4)25CcuAPp0bAkYkNTV7777(rcucpacRl0z79SzaebB7ti55dGLLLfff1GqP18wXkJkGeik5Byh)HdbHVL6CCyxZrZNUCEDt5IIeqvG4ouf26dkZoKU0hLFwr7arnSSQUQQHDy(eNnG4dUon6myWM)LbZLFTJ5BbiyYMdInd9TjjgLx5rZMxfLd9DH71)Y4JK6BiBJ9p9GATjzojRXDzXpfLtp55D9EKcrzRvJr5wKWdVD69VHz2GtZj89T2(rAzGWEn7)4dRS6Jv2)bLhGiiUjvx4C(1CHSPQPEXIBA4KV86xUcWuhCMadVZsAKEV1yjg09GKDO2o1kpNqpYjtylNlRhXiLzju27usH3MOq1Uttw3XuvWIB)k70OERXTvDv5uXMZ(Q)5S)K(u5l5e0zMqEE99Z2hybCHBG4piU4mTeJTvzIsIJ4rETMxQO8nr5Dyq1z8JW9DlT72vkYJJm5pECDgR)nDpoB9F0s2ZTDEeVz)1Knx7ls)viaWp)

[thorn fjord]

Sick

ty

[limber lion]

It's just the mark

np

I think it relies on the nameplates own border settings

So might wanna play around with those as well

[thorn fjord]

Gotcha will test now

[waxen oyster]

Idk I really like MA with SB

your bleeds fucking truck

[sharp hazel]

Can you still get perdition blade tmog? or the white one?

[golden loom]

yeah just run some molten core

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you really want a 1 pixel weapon

for some reason

[crimson zephyr]

can it really be that umbriss is bader?

[sharp hazel]

t2 tmog

[crimson zephyr]

it's a bad rework tho 😦

[sharp hazel]

I have the og one lol

[waxen oyster]

even worse

[crimson zephyr]

the og one has bad resolution 😦

[sharp hazel]

haters man

[waxen oyster]

ngl best matching wep for it is probs

night blade

or gloaming

[stray adder]

yall have no drip

[crimson zephyr]

no I have og og t2 from back in the day but still - no idea how they could fuck up the rework

[sharp hazel]

links?

[waxen oyster]

the red black daggers from old lockpicking

or malchazen from kara last boss

which is same model with no native enchant

[blazing slate]

am i doing something wrong or feels like you have like no energy in st with m+ build?

[waxen oyster]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=31331/the-night-blade

[waxen oyster]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[crimson zephyr]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2cxCXNTYfMPWVqbshAo2eW is that sim wrong somehow? I thought umbriss ring would be better - it by default takes over the enchants right?

[drowsy hatch]

I wouldnt presume umbriss is better there

[rose dirge]

Haste is good in st

[stray adder]

should probably sim umbriss with gems

[waxen oyster]

every stat is good

[drowsy hatch]

Ansurek ring is great and the worm ring is great too

[rose dirge]

based

[crimson zephyr]

I thought that it takes over the enchants no?

[waxen oyster]

its just queen ring is ahead since it also comes with a free 1% damage proc

for no extra cost

[thorn fjord]

@limber lion bleh something in my curren profile is preventing it from showing... Will try figuring it out... thanks for the script tho 🙂

[left sundial]

before the deathmark darkness night pops you guys send envenom after dm kb rotation or hold darknessnight buff for deathmark and kb ?

[crimson zephyr]

ty

[old hedge]

so that means dropping sd for ma?

[sharp hazel]

Okay this is sick

[blazing slate]

yeah but i feel like i cant even keep up envenom all the time?

[drowsy hatch]

somethings wrong if you cant keep 1 envenom up

[stray adder]

click the little "+" sign on umbriss and add sockets

[waxen oyster]

They all perform similar

That being said

[sterile torrent]

Is sacbrood any good for m+? I only see speed running it

[waxen oyster]

I feel dropping SD in 10 and below keys is bad.

[old hedge]

but in the build you run MA+SB that means not runnuing SD?

[waxen oyster]

i drop bonespike

it works fine

[stray adder]

based