assassination

[dapper halo]

jesse, its time to cook

[oak tangle]

TIL when you can't get a weak aura to work, snipe someone elses code

[elder prism]

Personally, I just like the fact that I dont have to afk/auto-hit boss whilst pooling energy.

massive gameplay kudos

[wary valley]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[oak tangle]

i know most people hate my auras, but i just wanna show off the fancy envenom tracker i made by stealing @slate crown code 😄

[bright tartan]

Why gameplay is literally same for me and everyone is talking about energy and stuff?

[drowsy hatch]

the rotation is the same

but if you changed your talents you should have way more energy and envenoms

[glass crystal]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[royal lantern]

cock build? 😳

[icy acorn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

stop baiting me im not showing you my cock

[native seal]

all bug talk aside, i ran with double equip yesterday (639 crystal and 639 spyglass) and it was suprisingly good

[subtle tundra]

ofc why wouldnt it

[native seal]

less burst heavy but you do not lose that much ST

[grim jay]

Personally I think I would add a visible background to see the max duration end

And a mark for pandemic

[subtle tundra]

a trinket wont make or break your dps unless its as impactful as spymaster

[worn jacinth]

hello im new to this spec, is it correct to only extend envenom in st with couple seconds left or do i want to spam as many 4p+ envenoms as possible, escpecially in kinsbane window, im asking because i’ve been spamming them as much as possible but then later in the fight i managed to lose the uptime completely because of no enerhy, which i presume is very bad

[grim jay]

My mage still didnt get one so I cba to play him until I finally get it

[drowsy hatch]

5cp envenoms, spam the hell out of them, if youre running low outside of kb windows maintain just 1

[robust axle]

Take a loot at the WoWhead guide mate

[drowsy hatch]

and that

[grim jay]

Tho with accountwide skip I will prob just do a skip group with no class that uses it

[onyx rock]

Looks very good

[real granite]

BROTHER, this fucking bug

[zealous wolf]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[real granite]

where you vanish sometimes and get perma combat

i swear its a subt bug, cant properly replicate yet

[subtle cipher]

Looks real nice for ppl that enjoy bars

[real granite]

happened to me twice already

[leaden garden]

is Treacherous Transmitter a good trinket for asa? just got one. its the one where you have to jump after activation.

[zealous wolf]

2nd best on use trinket

[grim jay]

Why is it relevant

[zealous wolf]

so 2nd best overall trinket

[grim jay]

Tho

[real granite]

excuse me

[leaden garden]

oh shit nice, ty

[onyx rock]

Good yes but sometimes painfull to use

[real granite]

why is it relevant not being able to press stealth for the rest of the key? while going ma?

[zealous wolf]

but if you have skardyns you wont use it

[real granite]

i mean

[zealous wolf]

unless 639 trans vs 626 skardyn

[grim jay]

You automatically get stealth if you vanish?

[real granite]

you dont understand

[subtle cipher]

You have 10 charges of vanish?

Amazing

[real granite]

you get into perma combat, you cant restealth until you log out

[grim jay]

Dense? He was talking about vanish

[grim jay]

Okey, never happened to me

[subtle cipher]

Dense? Read again

[grim jay]

What was the situation where it happened?

[balmy prism]

I mean before this patch it was fine not to be allowed to go back into stealth every pull, guess now it becomes kinda important if you're playing MA in keys

[real granite]

first tirna pull

[grim jay]

It wasnt that important back when we played MA in df either

[real granite]

maybe have something to do with mobs not being able to die, first time it happened to me was in dummys

[balmy prism]

right but the landscape is different now no? I didn't play rogue in df so no clue on that

[kindred imp]

Whats the sudden obsession with subterfuge since patch? Lots of chat above, but I probs didnt scroll enough to understand it. TLDR please

[grim jay]

So basically you did the first pull, used everything and vanish, couldnt get into stealth with the vanish and never again for the rest of the key?

[subtle cipher]

On df we had shadow dance

Cant even compare

[limber dew]

In Whispyr's video he mentions 2 stacks of envenom. If you keep envenoming do the stacks drop? Should I stop spamming envenom and let my energy pool for longer clipping the last .1 second? For example

[real granite]

i relogged cuz it happened to me in dummys and i recognize it

[balmy prism]

pooling is dead

just press envenom

[limber dew]

That is what I thought as he mentions staying below 50% energy

I need to watch the video I am listening to it whilst still work 😂

Like a podcast

[grim jay]

Its slightly different, but in both ways. MA was probably decently more impactful.
It still stands as is that you can cheese in restealths on bad chaining if you wait a sec and good chaining still is better

[grim jay]

Thats really weird. Would be kinda interesting to know what exactly does that, its also the first time ive heard of it

Sounds annoying af

[real granite]

im in dummys trying to replicate rn

[balmy prism]

that's true, my only painpoint is when they start chaining when one mob has like 15% left, and nobody kills it so I try and blast it to get a stealth off

[subtle cipher]

Thats not chain

Thats a dumb tank

[balmy prism]

eh, I guess

I've seen everything from 2k to 3.1k tanks do it so I guess they don't really know how rogues work

[subtle cipher]

Chaining is a dps gain if done properly

Dragging 1 mob isn't it

[grim jay]

Its universally wrong, not even rogue specific

[vivid axle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy prism]

Yeah fair enough, very frequently it's warrior tanks doing it too, guess you don't need a brain when you're unkillable

[real granite]

it reminds me of the shadow dance master assassin bug back in legion, where you used shadow dance to get out of stealth and get master assasin buff for full shadow dance chain duration +6s

[worthy bear]

what do we have to track / play around for fatebound? (except CB+KB)

[subtle cipher]

Nothing

Fatebound = yolo

[worthy bear]

and fatebound and deathstalker are kinda equal in keys?

[balmy condor]

fatebound notably worse

[subtle cipher]

No

[balmy condor]

like signifcantly worse

in every regard

[worthy bear]

okay great, deathstalker is fun for me

ty both

for deathstalker in keys, do you guys open with mut/ambush even if you have DN? or just open with garrote and wait for next 7cp env? would feel like a waste for the first 2 ruptures

[subtle cipher]

I hate deathstalker

But it is what it is

[grim jay]

There is an opener visual part in the wowhead guide

That has everything in it

[worthy bear]

kk

[balmy condor]

you can do either or tbh

[dawn iris]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[celest marlin]

You gotta open with ambush for DS, next vanish you use it with Garrot without the crit talent, with crit i presume its with Envenom but i am not pro.

[balmy condor]

like on corrupters at the end of grim batol

probably worth ambushing

but for normal pulls

probably not worth

[calm ravine]

Another bug? Or how deathmark cd was les than 2 minutes?

[normal mist]

Maybe paladin

[balmy condor]

yeh that looks like blessing of summer

[strange python]

Anyone got a plater mod that changes color of nameplate when u have rupture up?

[grim quarry]

in the assa faq it states icy and wowhead. the problem is, icy recommends different builds than wowhead. which site should i use then?

[lyric oyster]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[subtle cipher]

Wowhead

Icy is shit

[grim quarry]

icy recomments fatebound, which i never saw in any build for now

[subtle cipher]

Cuz icy is garba

[grim quarry]

^^

ok ty man

[subtle cipher]

Forget it exists

[drowsy hatch]

I mean it recommends ds

[balmy condor]

icy is not garbage

what are you yapping about

[normal mist]

Yo let's not just shit on seli's work

[drowsy hatch]

Both offer fatebound

[balmy condor]

the guide is good

[keen spruce]

icy being stinky was like wotlk lore

[subtle cipher]

No reason to use it when you have way better material on wow head

[balmy condor]

it's the same info

[woven birch]

Didnt Whispyr write both guides?

[grim quarry]

i pressed mythic+ talent build and there it recomments fatebound

[subtle cipher]

Doesnt look like

[balmy condor]

I do not write the icyveins guide

[subtle cipher]

If icy is recommending fate

[normal mist]

But seli and whispyr share info obviously

[subtle cipher]

Isn't the same info

[balmy condor]

???????

[drowsy hatch]

its definitley recommending ds from the screenshot

[woven birch]

Ah my bad. I could have sworn you did at one point in time.

[balmy condor]

nah I do wowhead/method

and seli does icy

[calm ravine]

it literally says that deathstalker is recommended

[grim quarry]

dude im on the site right now. maybe there is some other subpage

[drowsy hatch]

send a screenshot

cause my screenshot said DEATHSTALKER MYTHIC+ TALENTS (RECOMMENDED)

[vernal turret]

bleed builds are simming pretty good now, since you can take master assassin and blades without sacrificing any important nodes

[ebon prism]

no, the absolute worst is chain pulling at 5% and u cant restealth

and youre like whyyyyyy

[urban lily]

Icy vein is a pile of shit

[normal mist]

Lol

[grim quarry]

i clicked on easy mode and then mythic +. maybe fatebound is for easy mode. just try it

[drowsy hatch]

Oh that's different. Easy mode will prob have it since fatebound is 900x easier

[arctic tusk]

Then tgar sounds accurate

Lol

[grim quarry]

ok ty

[neon drift]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[drowsy hatch]

but easy mode is for like

actual babies

[ebon prism]

do i always save one charge of vanish for my kingsbane? and do you use it at 6 secs left of kingsbane before or after shiv?

[subtle tundra]

yea its easier than deathstalker

so its right

[normal mist]

That info is in the pins

[ebon prism]

oh wait should i add back in sbs to my sub/MA built? i hate that my opener is sooooooo slow

[west jolt]

crit mast still top stats after changes?

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[crystal nymph]

how supercharged anima works

[west jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-mcgill-chicanery-breakdown-gif-25422432

[drowsy hatch]

adds +2 cp to your next finisher

[west jolt]

ill take that as a yes, ty

[drowsy hatch]

doesnt work with ds. Just let er rip

[ebon prism]

hows this for my M+ build? dropped sanguine blades and sudden demise and grabbed ttk, MA, and sbs

[barren island]

When talented MA we should vanish on the last 12 sec of kb right?

[golden loom]

6

[drowsy hatch]

6s if you dont have subterfuge

[ebon prism]

12 sec if u have subterfuge?

[barren island]

Yeah with sub

Si...

How this makes sense

Or it's one or another

[real granite]

where doesnt it make sense?

[normal mist]

Nothing changed afaik

[barren island]

I will vanish before death mark or before kb 12 sec

Cant take both?

[quasi coyote]

the unemowered would just be a garrote post sub window right

surely refreshing gar while in sub still applies imp gar

[golden loom]

from the Pinned messages

[real granite]

its your opener with full cds? vanish at 6s kb. Its mid combat? vanish pre mark to have imp garr prepared

maybe im wrong, but thats what i understand

[barren island]

If I vanish pre mark how I will vanish on last 12 sec of.kb

[drowsy hatch]

because what youre reading

[ebon prism]

is this build ok to use?

[drowsy hatch]

isnt taking MA

[real granite]

is that a ma guide?

exactly

[barren island]

It is

[drowsy hatch]

its not factoring it in

most likely old text

since its been 2 days

[barren island]

Updated yesterday

[drowsy hatch]

then do both and come back

[barren island]

Lo

[quasi coyote]

if ur running no sudeen demise ttk ma build in M= are bleeds not as important and should just start envenom spam as quick as possible?

[real granite]

wdym as quick as possible

[golden wasp]

so whats the best m+ build atm?

[quasi coyote]

well like gar gar rup into envenom

with caustic obv

[normal mist]

We're 1 day into the new changes

[drowsy hatch]

wait what are you talking about that icy veins guide hasnt been updated since monday

[normal mist]

1 day

[drowsy hatch]

it wasnt yesterday

[real granite]

5 rup to get scent of blood minimum at least

[quasi coyote]

fair

[real granite]

and use garr to get those rups as they are imp and give enrgy too

[real granite]

midpack vanish to reapply garr and rupts

[quasi coyote]

have u tried the no sbs build or nah

[crisp stream]

Without sbs, in ttk build aoe opener feels weird

[barren island]

Now it makes sense what I'm reading

[ebon prism]

i tried no sbs build. i didnt like it lol

[real granite]

if no vanish, dont apply garrs tab by tab, but do apply rups

[drowsy hatch]

of course the intricacies isnt gonna change before the patch is out

[dreamy birch]

Hi everyone
I am new to rogue and assa si i started reading the wowhead guide but there is a lot of information to digest so i would like to know if you had any personal tips on how to improve or handle this class/spec

[drowsy hatch]

we had to pin that MA is good because it's new info

[normal mist]

?

[azure flare]

yo guys just to confirm in raid, we just vanish now for MA benefit with kingsbane yea?

[barren island]

?

[quasi coyote]

yea what ive been doing is basically get mark up, gar gar rup rup gar mut env

[normal mist]

What does make sense

[kindred hinge]

Go watch Whysper 1h ish video

[drowsy hatch]

yeah all about the MA

[barren island]

Icy vein being shit

[azure flare]

sickk thx

[normal mist]

Why is it shit lol

[quasi coyote]

the usual i guess just thought maybe w/o sudden demise wouldnt matter as much

[azure flare]

honestly dont like playing without sanguine in m+

[north prawn]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[drowsy hatch]

its shit apparently cause MA logic hasnt been written into the rotation guide yet

since its been 2 days

[balmy condor]

is wowhead good?

[quasi coyote]

like damage wise?

[azure flare]

nah playstyle wise

[barren island]

Well, the guide I'm reading say to use vanish at last 6 sec of kb if MA and at the same time before mark while improved gar, if you have both what you do? Pray for 2 vanish charges

[azure flare]

im sure dam wise they're on par

but like sanguine is hella more consistent for me

[jade abyss]

Nah bro guide is written by a strange cat guy

[pastel onyx]

wont open wowhead cuz its shit

[azure flare]

if u have both u do last 6 sec

[pastel onyx]

[azure flare]

improved gar sucks

[ebon prism]

friends, is this the ma/ttk/sbs talent build, or did i botch something?

[balmy condor]

well he says icyveins is shit

so I just wanna know

[barren island]

U sure

[balmy condor]

like does he like wowhead more

or what

[real granite]

wowhead is good but his writer is sus

[ebon prism]

true

[jade abyss]

Weird writer

[azure flare]

ye #assassination message

[jade abyss]

With weird hair D:

[pastel onyx]

maxroll is the best

[balmy condor]

I'm not getting a reply

:(

donowalled

[quasi coyote]

yes thats what im running

[kindred hinge]

Wowhead writer no very accessible, a bit of a mystery who he is can't ask question like What happen when

I Shiv
I KB
I Tea
And then ?

[balmy condor]

good meme

[ebon prism]

ty! i tried no sbs and i didnt like it really

[azure flare]

tldr; if u dont have ma, for some reason, vanish before mark after opener, if u do have ma, play around ma

[normal mist]

You gotta be stupid at this point. People already said the guide wasn't updated post patch

[drowsy hatch]

Could you update your guide every millisecond new potential tech

comes out

[pastel onyx]

and when u ask him where is my mark he just points to someone called pin

idk whos that

[barren island]

No mention to imp garrote before mark like icy veins

Icy vein sus

[azure flare]

bro

icy veins isnt updated

[drowsy hatch]

it's literally just old

[balmy condor]

can someone just tell me if wowhead is better

[quasi coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/9LpK6Ev.png 12 sv with that build not sure if its better or worse tbh

[barren island]

That's why people were saying iv is shit

[balmy condor]

so what guide is good

[normal mist]

People must think theory crafters and guide writers have all the time in the world

[azure flare]

icy veins jailbait

[pastel onyx]

its better now go to sleep

[barren island]

Wowhead is digestabale

[royal lantern]

reddit told me that the wowhead writer doesnt play the game, so i think no

[azure flare]

im surprised u shat on the ele shammy

[normal mist]

I'm team icy(seli)veins today

[ebon prism]

if u beat an ele shaman, it's a win for all rogues around the world

[drowsy hatch]

God I wish I could be digested

[jade abyss]

For real im a wowhead enjoyer

[real granite]

tell him, hes about to finish he need to read it tell him!"

[azure flare]

UM

?

[real granite]

hes edgind rn

[azure flare]

[barren island]

Plus yesterday I was told wowhewd write doesn't push high keys so he doesn't know what he is saying

[drowsy hatch]

you heard me

[royal lantern]

Vore

[barren island]

Not even trolling someone quote me on that

[azure flare]

its ok

)

[normal mist]

LOL

[kindred hinge]

In a high key situation would you rather have +4% aoe ish (DSlice) but 0% ST (PAtchwerk) or +2% Dslice +2% Patchwerk ?

[normal mist]

Fuck you whispyr

[balmy condor]

yeah fuck me

[normal mist]

And your lack of key knowledge

Ahahahahahahah

[balmy condor]

I was gonna roast him for taking the bait

[royal lantern]

REAL

[balmy condor]

cause wowhead guide has the same info

as icyveins

but some reason people only shit on icyveins

but I don't even wanna do that anymore

like I'm just pitying this guy at this point

it's sad to watch

[quasi coyote]

uhh yea idk what he was doing but ele rn is absolutely bonkers

from what ive seen lol

[balmy condor]

didn't ele get hotfixed

[azure flare]

yeah

[lilac anchor]

Everyone knows that you can't like multiple things. Can only like one and hate the rest.

[jade abyss]

Royal put the big black one out D:

[normal mist]

You gotta waste your life doing 14s man

[wooden kiln]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[drowsy hatch]

Yeah ele is hotfixed I thought

[azure flare]

it got hotfixed a few hours ago

[kindred hinge]

Elem got hotfixed but good elem still balst ass

[quasi coyote]

oh then rogue on top?

[azure flare]

rod dealing 50% less dam pretty much

[quasi coyote]

ez dub guys

[ebon prism]

the hotfix didnt fix it enough. i just did a key and a 606 ele shaman did 10m dps in a pull with 8 targets

[raw swan]

Hey quick stoopid question, is it worth going 2 charges of vanish untill deathstalkers mark is fixed?

[azure flare]

from 20% to 10M

%

[kindred hinge]

Average elem are like FDK not grgeat not bad

[ebon prism]

i just did the key 20 min ago

[azure flare]

probably not no

[balmy condor]

probably not

hey jinx

[native seal]

have a question about supercharger, i doesn't seem to be triggering darkest night

is that intended?

[balmy condor]

yes

[quasi coyote]

nah fr tho its the classic meta class io inflation

cuz they get into every key

[ebon prism]

dont u take double vanish with MA/subterfuge?

[azure flare]

no

[vernal turret]

just take subrefuge and improved crit

[azure flare]

ud take subterfuge

[mint valve]

i didnt see this build on wowhead but casual said it sims best?

[raw swan]

All right thanks kings

[mint valve]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMmZmZGmBAAAAAAYW8AmtZAAAAAAotlZmhZmxYmZWmtxMDmZMzgZmZbbZMDwyMLjNGzYWaMLLDT2GGWA

[balmy condor]

I mean you can but its whatever

[balmy condor]

yeah looks good man

[mint valve]

one sec

let me re do that

[ebon prism]

varas gave me build with double vanish, so im keeping it

[kindred hinge]

The number of FDK not pulling the weeight they should in big pulls is sadge

[mint valve]

i didnt see this one on wowhead

[balmy condor]

yeah looks good man

[harsh gust]

hello sir, It's none other than where is assassination deal cycle?

[normal mist]

What

[sharp viper]

i think whispyr just replaced himself with a bot

[barren island]

[balmy condor]

turns out you can play like 40 different things in m+ and they're all good

[quasi coyote]

yea its just a skill issue fdk has the bigest dmg variance in my keys by far

[azure flare]

lol

[azure flare]

tbf frost dk is very

rng now

[ebon prism]

is this build one of the 40 diff things?

[azure flare]

with dark talons rng and RM rng

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm not a key pusher, they're right

[quasi coyote]

oh i mean i have no idea about the spec itself just talking from exp

[barren island]

Not high key pusher, opinion invalid

[quasi coyote]

never even played dk xd

[balmy condor]

I have better things to do than sit in dungeons for 8 hours a day

I'm not ashamed to say it

[kindred hinge]

SBS / SD / SB / WAT / TTK / Lethatlithy are all point you can shift around, AMP too

[drowsy hatch]

Say it aint so

[azure flare]

i have it as one of my alts but its honestly collecting dust

shit's boring

[sharp viper]

you sit in this discord 8 hours a day and answer stupid questions

[quasi coyote]

more like sitting in drognal for 4 and dungeons for 4 lol

[barren island]

What abomination is this

[ebon prism]

whats wrong with it? 😮

[balmy condor]

if you think me not smashing my head into m+ brainlessly invalidates my opinion on m+ builds then that's your right

you're able to have opinions

go find someone you do trust then

[kindred hinge]

That why you get a craft that get you passive gold while AFKing for 4 hours

[azure flare]

ive seen a few run this

[balmy condor]

no one's forcing you to consume my content

[ebon prism]

thx kayu

[quasi coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/t9e8ARd.png

[azure flare]

its not bad i mean its that or lethality so like preference ig

[drowsy hatch]

If you havent spent minimum 100 hours in grim butthole your opinion means nothing to me

[barren island]

I would easily drop TtK and WaT on m+

[kindred hinge]

That's not afk though !

[quasi coyote]

farmhud online

[azure flare]

im still in grim batol

[quasi coyote]

im afk mentally

[azure flare]

as we speak

i have 5 80's that need 1 trinket

[drowsy hatch]

thats the true assa experience

[azure flare]

lootpool of 10 items

[balmy condor]

📣 bigger number better person 📣

[azure flare]

looted chest 9 times

[barren island]

Imagine grinding for gold on wow

[azure flare]

looted feet 99 times

IDK

[jade abyss]

Wait? Not? F me...

[kindred hinge]

I launch a 15 min timer, launch my craft tag Key every 5 min and do other stuff on the side /profit

[quasi coyote]

based tbh

[ebon prism]

ill be honest. i have no clue what WaT is. im new to sin rogue

[drowsy hatch]

absolutely

[balmy condor]

I've been through this song and dance before idc really

[quasi coyote]

bro does whispyr even have skardyn's?!?!?! not a dungeon player?!?!?

[ebon prism]

oh, without a trace! found it

[barren island]

Without a trace

[balmy condor]

like I used to be a 5/9ish raider

and people didn't respect my opinion cause oh he's just a shitter mid level mythic guy not even CE

then I got CE

[royal lantern]

redditors crying that "tanks die in 2seconds in a +2 key" and how blizzard is filled with warcriminals because mythic crests dropped from +9 keys, and then proceed to explain how TC guys should not be taken serious because "they dont play on a high level"

[fast mural]

Do all the people swaping to outlaw cause of the bug?

[balmy condor]

oh well he's CE but he's got bad parses

then I got 98 averages in mythic

[quasi coyote]

they always gonna find a reason to hate...

[balmy condor]

oh well he's not even top 500

[drowsy hatch]

I hope nobody is switching to outlaw because of the bug lol

[balmy condor]

then I was top 500

[royal lantern]

u no 100?

[balmy condor]

oh well he's like not even that good

then I rank 1 on mythic sarkareth

[fast mural]

i see LFG many outlaws

[balmy condor]

oh well he's just padding

like

[jade abyss]

XD

[dusty crescent]

damn

[barren island]

Pvp rank where

[balmy condor]

keep moving the fucking goal post

[ebon prism]

im confused why subterfuge/MA build wouldnt like a 2nd vanish

[barren island]

Not even glad

[balmy condor]

now it's just a repeat but for m+

[raw swan]

Hell no

[dusty crescent]

get him whispyr

use the colored hair

go super saiyan

[balmy condor]

oh he's only 2600 not 2700 not 2800 not 2900 not 3000 not 3100 not top 10 not top 5 not top 2 not best

[royal lantern]

its like league players telling you how diamond/master/GM is ACTUALLY low elo because of "insert made up reason"

[barren island]

Lethality 2 points

Instead of wat and sub

[azure flare]

ofc

[grim quarry]

@fast mural outlaw has a horrible bug where it drops bladefury mid btw

[dusty crescent]

the critter bug is still up?

[azure flare]

lethality double dipping kingsbane is rlly huge

[fast mural]

It's a bug that you kill a critter

[barren island]

Exactly

[royal lantern]

yes, and gets abused like hell and i hope there is a rollback lol

[barren island]

Drop 1 point on wat, 1 on sub, put 2 on lethality

Gg

[dusty crescent]

how much % increase of dmg is it if you had to guestimate

i don't like outlaw : /

[quasi coyote]

u take 1 or 2 in sub?

[grim quarry]

what does the critter bug do?

[fast mural]

You think you are gonna get banned if u use it

[barren island]

1

[fast mural]

i don't know exactly that's why i am here to get info

[azure flare]

1 in sub

or can u drop supercharger lads?

in m+

[balmy condor]

idk I'm just over it at this point tbh like every race I'm tc'ing for world first rogues and then progging and parsing in my prog and my farm and performing and theorycrafting and writing the guides and people are improving from my shit and if that's not good enough than whatever I can't do anything about it

[drowsy hatch]

you can drop supercharge

[balmy condor]

if you don't like me or don't trust me

[cunning needle]

nooooooo i missed the drama

[azure flare]

can go 2 in subterfuge if u want longer silence

[balmy condor]

then that's just how it is

[drowsy hatch]

but I dont think you need 2 sub

[cunning needle]

why were the messages deleted

[azure flare]

that's true

[real granite]

what a patch, the tea, the whyspyr m+ incident, the kata tea hater, the varas vs whyspyr

[azure flare]

yea just have 1 in sub unless u rlly want longer silence

[real granite]

ill mark this day on my calendar

[barren island]

He already did

[kindred hinge]

Ask yourself this question, why are you doing keys ? If you need a bug to time w/e you are doing what happen when the bug is reverted ?

[barren island]

Only points he can move is wat and sub

[dusty crescent]

at the sake of sounding like a glazer, just keep doing you breh I'd be half the rogue i am if i didn't read your shit.. I never played rogue before this xpac

[balmy condor]

me and varas are good lads

there's no beef there

[real granite]

ya i know you were joking

obv

[jade abyss]

Varas mvp

[harsh gust]

Hello. Where can I see the Assassination Rogue deal cycle?

[balmy condor]

I'm glad it helps man

[balmy condor]

yah varas a gamer

[dusty crescent]

i was doing literally 50% of the dps before i read your guides ngl

[balmy condor]

his feelcrafting is a bit cooked but ya know

that's why I'm here

[barren island]

You should just get it at this point

[rustic briar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[drowsy hatch]

your guides made me the best dps in my guild so im happy

[rain wraith]

2x vanish gang

[real granite]

brother we do not understand you, what is deal cycle

[jade abyss]

True gamer he is yeah

[balmy condor]

[halcyon merlin]

Any Assa gamers in here who might can tell me how to change icon on my shiv WA?

[dusty crescent]

i'm number 1 dps in my raid except for like 1-2 fights where i'm top 3

[real granite]

skill order?

[harsh gust]

thanks sir.

[tame valve]

Does the fact that bone spikes can't be transmitted from mobs to mobs bug or is it no longer transmitted?

[fast mural]

@kindred hinge I Wanna just learn the bug bro:p i push without bugs on 3100

[dusty crescent]

intermissions make my soul hurt

[balmy condor]

under display

use the manual icon

[cold halo]

So pooling is dead

[balmy condor]

and go find what you want

[halcyon merlin]

ty

[quasi coyote]

idk man if im going to a guide to learn why would i criticize the creator like I know anything

[balmy condor]

guide writer isn't insert number io therefore shit

[barren island]

Because the creator deserved it

[real granite]

ill recomend 135697 my good sir

[kindred hinge]

Then the outlaw chanel will have better info for you don't you think? Considering they are the ones dealing with the bug.

There is also one in pvp that allow to one shot people but that is not limited to outlaw

[quasi coyote]

i mean ppl like that have brain worms

is what it is

[harsh gust]

yes. In Korea, it's called a deal cycle. I didn't know it was called that overseas.

[balmy condor]

True

[royal lantern]

i just think its ridicolous that the people that say that shit are literally the lowest skilled ones, but act as if they know "the REAL game"

like, again, reddit as an example is FILLED with people that complained that +9 keys are impossible and how tanks die 24/7 from everything etc....

and then they look at TC stuff and say with a straight face "yeha but thats JUST SIMS and not ThE ReAl GaMe!!!!" as if not literally every single TC guy is playing on a level they cant even think off

its legit just thin veiled "better player" hate and streamer worship by people that explain you how disc priest is a "dps/healer hybrid"

[keen spruce]

portals done

just need aotc now

and i can quit again

[barren island]

Some mates spammed a lot of 14 today cuz of elemental bug. Exploit early, exploit often

[keen spruce]

maybe a one reset gamer

[balmy condor]

Do you know the pao copypasta?

[quasi coyote]

pogchampion

[barren island]

Golden blizz rule

[real granite]

rotation, skill rotation

[royal lantern]

negative

[balmy condor]

Let me go find it

[ebon prism]

@barren island thank you, i made those changes. and only did 1 point in subterfuge and grabbed 2 lethality. i see a lot of the top rogues use that same build but they take sudden death and sanguine blades over sbs 😦 does it matter that much? i really enjoy the sbs openers a lot more

[quasi coyote]

i mean if u like sbs play sbs is my take

[keen spruce]

never fails

[normal mist]

You can just play whatever the duck you want

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-gif-26090688

[harsh gust]

skill rotation thanks

[ebon prism]

ok and in M+, do i just always save vanish for kb?

[quasi coyote]

no reason to nerf fun for minimal dps

[kindred hinge]

People have no issue with some sports coach in profesional team having been mid player within their field during t heir career (in the sense not the goat, still great obv) but have giga strategic brain for their team, and yet will give shade here.

Weird how it work.

Math is Math and any adaptation you need in very high key is goign to be irrelevant to the people that read the guides

[quasi coyote]

imo

[tame valve]

Does the bone spike talent no longer transfer from mob to mob?

[sharp viper]

you still need to #1231592737221120152 GET BACK IN THERE

[balmy condor]

So like my tank right, he’s a big gamer, and he gets a brain worm bozo going like OH YEAH? WHAT DO YOU KNOW? And they get hit with this

- 3x r1 BrM
- 2x r1 BDK
- 2x r1 Prot Pally
- RWF competition experience
- Analyst for CLG and TSM LCS teams
- Olympian in Water Polo, 2012 London
- 14 years of Tank TC

Are these sufficient qualifications?```and it’s just… so fucking brutal. You’re like oh he’s a gamer I’m fucked, and then “Olympic water polo” comes in with the steel chair ![OMEGADANCEBUTFAST](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/952287130812571758.webp?size=128 "OMEGADANCEBUTFAST")

[keen spruce]

[jade abyss]

When i play fatebound which points i dont skill to reach subterfuge?

[halcyon merlin]

how come my icon not change?

[dim mural]

Was gonna use the same example but sports commentators. Yours is better

[balmy condor]

Icon source

[real granite]

automatic > manual

[keen spruce]

supercharger and one point of lethality i think

[quasi coyote]

OLYMPIAN XD

[halcyon merlin]

tyyyyy

[keen spruce]

are people cookin subterfuge builds? i haven't been payin attention

[barren island]

Water polo?

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[keen spruce]

I need my vanish just to keep mark up

[quasi coyote]

RELEVANT INFO ALERT

[keen spruce]

I can't use it for garrotes

[balmy condor]

Dude imagine getting cooked so fucking bad and then just obliterated by Olympian as a follow through

[jade abyss]

Thanks sir

[balmy condor]

Actually just kicking while down

[quasi coyote]

nah thats gold tho

[analog pawn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[quasi coyote]

like how do u even respond to that LOL

[rain wraith]

water polo tho

[sharp viper]

so how many olympic gold medals do you even have?

[barren island]

This is how u respond

[dim mural]

Should maybe roll hunter and include in guild application that I was a great air rifle shooter when I was young

[naive walrus]

Hi assa lads, is there a vast difference between the basic Improved Garrote + Master Assassin build and the Improved Poison + Vicious Venom alternative version? Are these two builds more dependent on statistics?

[royal lantern]

ngl, thats a gigachad move

[quasi coyote]

the spit on face tho

[rain wraith]

i mean i would give u a trial based on that

[barren island]

Called it

[real granite]

THE OLIMPIAN WATERPOLO SHIT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[keen spruce]

he took silver in mushroom game but didn't even qualify in remaining mental

[barren island]

Bro, sudden demise is like 3.4%more dps, i will drop wire and get it

Fuck my tank

[balmy condor]

Amen

[quasi coyote]

THE 5% ONE MOB START KITING DEBUFF IS REAL

[balmy condor]

Rogues are for damage not for utility

[tough lintel]

Maybe this is a stupid question, but do we simply use FoK as a builder on 2+ targets?

[radiant yoke]

what's the website with all the talent options simmed

[keen spruce]

i think technically yes but it doesn't rly matter

[balmy condor]

If you’re talented into thrown precision

[keen spruce]

whatever makes your heart happy

[barren island]

Invite rets for utility

Oh no 99% of them play like warriors

Nvm

[balmy condor]

HYBRID DPS TAX

[barren island]

[keen spruce]

[agile geode]

so whats the build people do now?

[royal lantern]

best guild application we had was 3weeks ago from a Frost DK

it just said "i love m+, 3,1k score in DF S4, i only want to raid for gear and trinkets so i can push more"

followed by "raid experience, none"

[keen spruce]

kinda w/e you want

[royal lantern]

legit a bruh moment

[keen spruce]

wowhead has some

they're gud

[balmy condor]

We’ve had a bunch of those

[grim jay]

Based

Down with the tanks

[barren island]

Tbh its pretty good, prob only honest application you will see for a while

[sharp viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/xiaojie-xiaocat-gif-18274610571282727560

[final star]

you get apps from people who haven't cleared heroic yet wanting to push themselves in mythic

[balmy condor]

Applying to raiding guild with like green heroic logs and just saying “title m+ player”

[final star]

we get those

[quasi coyote]

hired

[grim jay]

Whispyr splitting hairs again?

[balmy condor]

Or the classic Andy’s that link purple classic logs for their raid experience

[barren island]

Bro i was invited for a guild that is currently 6/8, they asked me to do a pve test, i would have to stream a +10 key and a full heroic raid

[azure flare]

huh

[balmy condor]

[azure flare]

wat?

[barren island]

I said wut? LIL

" we want to see how you play "

[royal lantern]

its also funny when you look for a specific class, and get a application that says "i play (insert the currently 3 OP specs in m+), whatever is the best right now"

and when you tell them that you look for the specific class and not somebody that swaps on a whim cus they dont feel like it anymore cus it got nerfed, they go crazy

[grim jay]

Thats a new one

[barren island]

Thats what logs are for

[balmy condor]

Stream 4 hours of content for this guild app bro

[azure flare]

might as well go lfr its pve too and they can see how u play

🤡

[barren island]

We want you to stream

[royal lantern]

i swear, m+ andys dont understand raid comps

[barren island]

Gtfo

[keen spruce]

if this isn't blue when it locks in tomorrow I've lost all faith in heroic raiders

[balmy condor]

“I play all ranged dps”
Grey parses on 6 classes

INCREDIBLE

[grim jay]

He said he plays 6

[barren island]

He said he plays

[grim jay]

Not that he is good with em

[barren island]

Not he is good on them

[balmy condor]

True

[barren island]

Dif things

[balmy condor]

Accurate actually

[smoky inlet]

well

those guys shared the collective braincell

congrats

[grim jay]

Its exactly what I expect people to do if they say they can play many classes

[barren island]

Jack of all trades

Master of none

[balmy condor]

The funniest app we had was a rogue apping, he opens the application, doesn’t answer a question, pings me in his app “real whispyr?” And I’m like yeah

“Nvm” and leaves server

[keen spruce]

better than a one trick that grey parses

[surreal canopy]

!shiv

[grim jay]

Thats true, he can choose what hes bad on

[barren island]

No one want to raid with real whispyr

[quasi coyote]

is grey parsing even possible if u dont die?

[barren island]

Yes

[surreal canopy]

whats the command for the shiv macro?

[static glacier]

it's a wierd one, Imo if you're truly good at a class you can normally play others in the role to purple logs from the getgo

[balmy condor]

Yeah where’s the fake whispyr’s at

[drowsy hatch]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[quasi coyote]

💀

[barren island]

Posting on r/wow

[static glacier]

but idk, some people are just one tricks and can't multiclass

[final star]

my main is x class, but I will also play "list of 4 classes that have been fotm the past3 patches"

[drowsy hatch]

the elusive enh, shadow, arcane, and aug main

[barren island]

I had a 2h stolen from my ret, a warrior that steal it on a HC run did less dps than tanks while 610 ilvl, he only pressed slams

[static glacier]

tbh I'd expect logs from these classes and for them to be played alts

[drowsy hatch]

(he forgets how to play shadow)

[barren island]

On a dnd pug

[sharp viper]

that's actually just a fotm main

[royal lantern]

i can kinda get that cus you need to start somewhere (just dont start at WR 200 )

but like, even then my current guild gets applications from people that never had a single AotC

and we do CE with 2days a week/ 5 1/2 hours in total

ofc our WR is on the lower side, jumping bettwen 600 and 800, but maybe dont try to get into a raidteam that plays only a very limited time a week which means you need faster learners when you have 0 experience lol

[barren island]

Wanted to neck myself

[balmy condor]

Nah, they’re too busy log stalking real whispyr to find reasons to call me a shitter. LOOK LOOK HIS RANK ONE RASH HE ONLY PRESSED FEINT TWICE! HES PADDING!

[grim jay]

Clearly his low ilvl weapon is to blame

[real granite]

why would they need reasons

[quasi coyote]

oh thats the classic. I had the bomb trinket from df stolen by a sub healer survival hunter I'll never forget that.

[keen spruce]

[final star]

Yeah we are currently WR18 bruh But I suppose you don't know if you don't try ya feel

[west jolt]

[sharp viper]

[crisp pine]

Don't worry bud, I'll still love you no matter how many times you feint <3

[balmy condor]

Unbinding feint

[static glacier]

from my xp officering in 2 day wr 400-600ish some of our best recruits were people we took a gamble on with little / no credentials

[balmy condor]

Actually

Macroing it to shiv

[raw zephyr]

feint off GCD feels so good I wanna cry

[grim jay]

Everyone knows that the energy spent on feint could cost you the r1 log

[balmy condor]

Who’s gonna stop me

[quasi coyote]

this

[grim jay]

[static glacier]

issue with wow players is it's super difficult to get people to improve if they've been playing a while

[barren island]

Macro feint with mut

[west jolt]

i heard that whispyr rogue is mid at best

[barren island]

Duck it

[final star]

twice too many

[royal lantern]

its more like

some m+ andys dont understand that you dont want somebody that says after a single nerf to their FotM class "im playing another class now" in your raidteam

cus like, thats not how a raidteam works lol

[quasi coyote]

i didnt even bother to press feint b4 tuesday

[balmy condor]

Could be the move

[quasi coyote]

waste of a global

[barren island]

Want to see my group saying i dont use defensives

[static glacier]

yeah reroll-aholics aren't it

[barren island]

When my log will have 50 feint casts

[static glacier]

at most i'd say 1 reroll a tier if ur class actually gets binned is acceptable, even then it's better to stick a tier out then reroll in farm

[raw zephyr]

Feint being on GCD AND costing energy is going to be a folk story we tell newbies

[real granite]

feint + vial, stop that nonsense

[final star]

We have people that main swap every patch, but they can also play those classes to a high enough standard. Which is why I stay on Rogue and get benched :3c

[dim mural]

We had a trial loot the 2h from HC jailer in a pug and instead of using it for prog he sold it and then bragged about it in discord

[quasi coyote]

it should give energy

[real granite]

feint vial macro, unbind vial remove wa, new flavor

[quasi coyote]

and off gcd

[west jolt]

W rizz

[balmy condor]

The real tech is when a wipe gets called you use a health pot and a health stone and all defensives you have so that when your officers log review for the night and look at defensives used across the night, you look like you’ve been popping defensives constantly

Pad your log check not your dps

[static glacier]

what if im addicted to popping hs / pot and im not even trying

[quasi coyote]

this but in keys so i can link details log

[final star]

we have our officer forcing us to make pre-planned defensives and then checks if we pressed them when we said we would

[oak tangle]

what kinda guild with these trash heroic logs get me into?

[real granite]

offis not reviewing replays 💀

[barren island]

Ngl i feel really tempted to grab elusiveness

[static glacier]

i've developed a crippling addiction to health pot ever since they made it lay on hands

[balmy condor]

Do you have CE?

[west jolt]

Maybe a 7/8H guild

[oak tangle]

never gotten near

[grim jay]

The ansurek is tragic

[oak tangle]

i died 3 times on our aotc

hahaha

[static glacier]

just link ur post history in ravenholdt

[raw zephyr]

I ran 11 grim with a healer who let me use Feint, cookie, healing potion & Crimson vial on a CORRUPT after using my cloak and vanish on 2 other times being targeted by it. 11, not a 14 D:

[quasi coyote]

bro ansurek is aids on assa tell me im wrong

[thin dock]

heroic logs dont matter if you pug, noone will give a shit about your heroic logs whne you apply to a mythic guild

[real granite]

hp pot r3 + iron stomach 1 to 100%

[balmy condor]

Honestly with those heroic logs if you find a raid desperate enough for a fotm rogue you can probably squeeze into a late patch CE guild

[static glacier]

r3, u some kinda baller? r2 does the job

[balmy condor]

Like a ton of late CE guilds are battling roster boss more than raid boss

[barren island]

They will give a shit for what

[balmy condor]

It’s actually not that bad to find one desperate for warm bodies

And then impress

[oak tangle]

will see if i have the interest come late patch, normally i just try pug the first couple

[static glacier]

highkey late ce is like 50% roster, 40% mechanics and 10% mental

[thin dock]

having a 99 doenst mean you play well, its mostly good group and ignoring mechanics tbh in a pug setting

good guilds will look at much more than just the dmg log

[barren island]

Ok, i asked what they will give a shit

[static glacier]

huge problem in late ce guilds is the bench situation, you want bench sitters incase someone doesn't show, but bc prog takes so long for these guilds people leave if benched then if someone is missing you have to cancel or get a random friend which then spirals

[oak tangle]

low key, first boss heroic. who doesnt soak

[drowsy hatch]

Melee doesnt need to soak on ulgrax hero

[royal lantern]

the REAL tech is finding out that you have a common color weakness, and just blame most Things on that, even if they are unrelated to it

[quasi coyote]

facts i got ce on razageth cuz my friends guild just didnt have enough ppl to prog it xd

[drowsy hatch]

unless you have like 0 ranged

[latent galleon]

if i wanna play assa and outlaw at the same time, what would i craft first?

[kindred hinge]

Log run exist in HC, you can pad your parse, it's more what is inside it than the number at least it was like that when I was doing mythic raid

[thin dock]

you can have a 85-90 on bosses where you need to do mechanics / play for the group. while still playing rotation perfect

[barren island]

U didn't answer

[thin dock]

will get you into better guild than a 99 log

[barren island]

What

No one will check your logs if you are parsing low

[delicate trench]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oeNBVfaE2gxtJh73Jqkgvx so mercurial egg sims really high for me

[royal lantern]

huh

thats a take

[barren island]

Its like reading a resume from someone without uni

[ionic flame]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[final star]

dslice sim with all raid buffs

[delicate trench]

is there a way to play aroound it ? or just equip and forget it ?

[royal lantern]

like, if somebody is consitently low, ye sure they do something wrong

[oak tangle]

entirely depends what you define as low

[barren island]

You have 10 logs to review, 1 spot, you will review wll of them?

[final star]

egg is simbait change my mind

[royal lantern]

but serious groups dont go "HA, 2fights a 20, out with it!!!"

[barren island]

You will pick the highest ones

Simple

[static glacier]

it's a juiced statstick

[grim jay]

And the quality of people, even more so for the Bench

[royal lantern]

i cant, its a fact

[oak tangle]

i need to make a decision, watch more suits, or play saitisfactory

[thin dock]

highest log doesnt mean better player

heroic logs dont mean shit

[royal lantern]

yes????

[barren island]

U still didnt answer me what they would look for

[thin dock]

mylker never played top 100 confirmed

[royal lantern]

maybe dont be in a shit guild that is used as a jump board and colapses in 2 tiers

ofc you review logs

[barren island]

Just answer?

[royal lantern]

if the player looks good

lol

[grim jay]

So like 99.9% in here?

[barren island]

How you will know if he looks good

Lol

[thin dock]

defensive usage, positioning, mechanics, cd timings

[pseudo cosmos]

Literally just happens to the guild I just left they never rotated there bench so people just leave and they are now short cause the *main roster * didn’t even show

[royal lantern]

consistent performance and experience are the 2 biggest things

[static glacier]

you judge their decision making / mechanical execution / class gameplay and defensive usage. you watch vods of gameplay / replay and read logs for it

[barren island]

My guildie had like 50 applys per 4 days ish on first weeks, do you think ppl will go in deep analyzes of ALL of them?

[drowsy hatch]

Damage is by far the easiest thing to improve anyways

[barren island]

Thats silly

[oak tangle]

time to puglfr and get 99's to feel better about myself

[barren island]

Read above

[grim jay]

Mostly happens if the bench is significantly worse or most of the main roster are friends

[delicate trench]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/anaarchy would you consider this for your guild

[grim jay]

Bro I had someone feeling insane bcs he got an lfr and a normal r1

[static glacier]

I mean you can tell, if someone consistently executes mechanics right, does respectable numbers and uses mobility and defensives at appropriate times they're good

oh u mean applications

was thinking more about judging trials

[barren island]

The point is if you have a ton of applys you need a quick filter, you wont go that deep Into EVERY apply

[devout rock]

gamer

[barren island]

And parse/exp is one of them

[pseudo cosmos]

Ye still then just say then instead of stringing ur bench along

[static glacier]

yeah if you have infinite trials you just scan over most recent relevant logs for hardest stuff they've done, scan for deaths or big mechanical fuckups]

[latent galleon]

if i wanna play assa and outlaw at the same time, what would i craft first?

[static glacier]

unironically prog wipe logs are more useful than kill logs

[royal lantern]

no cus rogue

^

[drowsy hatch]

whatever is good for outlaw. Assa cares less about specific stats

[pseudo cosmos]

Not a fdk declined

[static glacier]

id say you can judge a trial from like 5-15m

I like checking opener on cast timeline

[latent galleon]

dagger?

[barren island]

X50

Gl

[drowsy hatch]

what is the command

[static glacier]

a lot of apps can be just random aotc shitters

[drowsy hatch]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[devout rock]

omg why rogue is so hard i had to reroll from holy priest to assa and bro i'm energy starving somehow

[kindred hinge]

Exp is also wonky, where do you put the cut off ? You can have realm first / CE in the past and be average nowadays.

People can improve as much as they can decrease in lvl

[static glacier]

you just don't consider them

if you have that many apps

[royal lantern]

you talk with a person that literally did that stuff, but ok 🙂

[thin dock]

yeah but knowing which buttons to press in what order is like the most basic thing you should know when you wanna raid mythic

[static glacier]

if you're drowning in apps it lets you be v selective

[barren island]

We had that many applys per week, so yeah, its the first filter

[quasi coyote]

what a good haste number for assa btw

[barren island]

Experience/parses

[quasi coyote]

does it even matter

[royal lantern]

man, can i tell that my ranged dps?

[golden loom]

I don't even know where to start looking for a guild in retail, in classic hc it was easy cause there were 2 naxx raiding guilds on the server

[kindred hinge]

No

[kindred hinge]

no

[livid finch]

I'm currently trying to learn assa, outside of cooldowns am I just supposed to keep bleeds up and just refesh envenom?

[quasi coyote]

rgr that

[pseudo cosmos]

Kek ?

[static glacier]

you'd be VERY surprised. more than anything someone doing that incorrectly signals a lack of effort / not reading up on their class which likely means they don't read up fights either

[quasi coyote]

https://i.imgur.com/LNQmc0u.png

[royal lantern]

wowlogs/raiderio/wowprogress are mostly used to find raid guilds for heroic and higher

[solar wyvern]

The answer will always be sim yo self

We even have an emote

[normal mist]

You have more haste than me

[pseudo cosmos]

U could be at 0 and be fine

[static glacier]

do you have logs of heroic? any pervious xp? those can help you narrow your options

[solar wyvern]

[golden loom]

ye I log all my pugs

[quasi coyote]

yea i knew haste wasnt great but mayb something chaged with patch who knows

is what i thought

[normal mist]

No, haste is great

Just like crit

And mastery

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[barren island]

I have almost 10% haste, fucking sikran neck

[devout rock]

so guys, hows energy looking after changes?

[static glacier]

what are your aspirations? do you want a guild that clears mythic? gets halfway through

[grim jay]

Better

[quasi coyote]

well all stats are good for assa right

[normal mist]

Yes

[static glacier]

one thing i'd reccomend is applying to guilds that your friends are in

[kindred hinge]

Another way to do it is to pug into the roster that are lacking people.

It allows you to tick some XP, Maybe find some guild if you do well and worse case allow to use the current xpack xp to get into higher progged roster

[quasi coyote]

i thought maybe there was a breakpiont of smth maybe

[kindred hinge]

When you have 0 xp*

[devout rock]

i'm starving a lil bit in ky'veza

[quasi coyote]

is that thing goated

[devout rock]

idk what i'm doing wrong, garrote and rupture is 100% uptime

[still pewter]

Anyone got the double stack of envenom weakaura?

[raw swan]

I have more then 10% haste following the bis list on wowhead :E

[static glacier]

we still have like 10% downtime

[grim jay]

You arent supposed to be able to hack away its still sin and not outlaw

[barren island]

Whisp has it but is bugged

He said would fixed it tday

[golden loom]

yeah probably some kind of mythic progression idk, atm just doing weekly 2/8 mythic for vault in pugs but feels bad getting pretty much locked out after the 2 kills as groups usually die out after that

[quasi coyote]

idk man theres a guy in here that says otherwise

[normal mist]

Who

[quasi coyote]

lmfao i forget but he just responded with "SLAM" to every question

[zenith cedar]

makes sense, SLAM

[devout rock]

goti t

[normal mist]

We can spam more no doubt

[crisp pine]

SLAM

[oak tangle]

seems like an intelligent individual

[drowsy hatch]

you do slam quite a lot

[normal mist]

But we aren't outlaw

[pseudo cosmos]

From last patch to this patch it’s spamming but the gameplay were not spamming as if it’s outlaw

[static glacier]

go on wowprog and perhaps start considering guilds that are in the 500-1k world rank range. those are likely the mid/ late ce kinda world ranks

[drowsy hatch]

its relative slam

[zenith cedar]

no slam = BAD, SLAM = GOOD

[devout rock]

outlaw bug is something damn

[drowsy hatch]

compared to actually pooling

[static glacier]

sort by ones that want your class

then read their desc and if the vibe feels right apply

[grim jay]

Hopefully something that results in a ban because it clearly is something you do intentionally

[pseudo cosmos]

Or just pick fdk

[devout rock]

yea, people r doing crazy shit with it

[royal lantern]

BASED

[quasi coyote]

i heard outlaw got a crazy buff! have u seen the heroic parses?

[static glacier]

whatchu mean, I was just mercy killing a random critter as the tricky trickster that I am and I decided to swap to fatebound since it's the meta hero tree

[quasi coyote]

💀

[devout rock]

sheeeeeeeeeesh

honestly i dont think they gonna get banned at all

[grim jay]

Idk blizz usually bans for stuff that needs to be done intentionally

Which this one does

[static glacier]

not rwf, stakes are low. my guess is that wcl will invalidate the logs

[pseudo cosmos]

Tbh kinda suprised no hotfix patch doubt a ban at all its blizz people done way worse and nothing happened

Plus the whole rogue player base clearly knows about it

[barren island]

Blizzard has one only rule, exploit early, exploit often

[zenith cedar]

there has rarely been such a widely exploited bug

[grim jay]

There is like close to 0% failure rate on banning people for that

[oak tangle]

they started the precedent with RWF this tier

[final star]

and there is a wowhead post detailing exactly how to do it :3

[devout rock]

^

[devout rock]

yup

thats where i found out

[barren island]

Did a lot of +14 today with messed up elemental shammy

[devout rock]

and after my RL link me a log / streams of people doing it

lol

[barren island]

Exploit early

[grim jay]

Wcl would have to invalidate them not blizz

[pseudo cosmos]

Ye exploit early a cope logs dont invalidate ur parse

[grim jay]

Thats not a forced bug tho

[solar wyvern]

Yeah ele is just bad tuning which is fairplay

[barren island]

Outlaw too :3

[static glacier]

wcl sorry

[barren island]

Clever use of game mechanics

[static glacier]

running on 3 hrs sleep

[solar wyvern]

Yeah dude totes, doesn't matter really I have a feeling it gets fixed today and it has no impact on title

[kindred hinge]

What's the point anyway. You time that this time sure. What happen when it is fixed ? Back to where you were

[grim jay]

Its fine, just saying, no offense

[solar wyvern]

When everyones 639 and keys are even more optimized

[patent elk]

funny seeing outlaws jumping in best dungeons from +12 straight to +14-15

[oak tangle]

i have no respect for anyone who abuses the outlaw bug... i mean come on you're really gonna play outlaw, hawk tuah

[pseudo cosmos]

But you allready got the rio so clap

[barren island]

Exactly

[grim jay]

They can take that out aswell tho

[pseudo cosmos]

That would be better

[barren island]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[kindred hinge]

And then you get stuck for month instead of progging. That's a heavier strain on mental than the alternative

[grim jay]

If it stays as is for some days you might reach levels most wont ever reach until season end tho

They could just not play

[solar wyvern]

I mean honestly, what does a high IO achieved with an exploit even say about you anyway, like whos gonna care

[barren island]

The amount of bugs and exploit this game is having is just a joke at this point

Multi billion company

[static glacier]

if its not patched by raid time tonight i've been ordered to play it for the kyveza kill

I hope they patch it

[grim jay]

Would just refuse

Ngl

[quasi coyote]

any1 get the bug when u click the dragon in grim batol u just dc or just me

[static glacier]

not tryna fail trial, the other rogue just got axed

[deep gyro]

Its happening.. damn i need a weapon

[kindred hinge]

20y old game. Company test for routine use you can't expect them to find and fix loopholes that are only found because there is hundred of thousdqnd of player actively looking for the most retarded edge case *

[oak tangle]

your raid lead is cringe

[solar wyvern]

My RL said dont swap on prog fights

[pseudo cosmos]

Bruh

[grim jay]

Better to fail trial than potentially get banned

[solar wyvern]

I respect that

[pseudo cosmos]

These guys thirsty for a kill

[deep gyro]

Na ur the only rogue token.

[static glacier]

blizz is cringe for allowing a bugged spec that does like 60-70% more dps on a st fight

[barren island]

Bs, they dont even have proper support anymore, its just a joke, a thousand of bugs and bad tuning its just incompetence for a company this size

[oak tangle]

forcing people to exploit is more cringe

you can hack the game and run cheats, doesn't mean you should

[oak eagle]

what outlaw bug? thought the bugs got fixed