assassination

[daring valley]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[molten echo]

yeah, i dont think anything rotationally changes except using vanish in KB window

[spice spire]

/yell I’m going to eat your ass rawdog style

[cinder quartz]

you can make a macro and use ER as custom icon

[sullen mural]

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[spice spire]

I’ll eventually find a use for that one

[dapper pumice]

got it, 6s left in KB vanish right

[spice spire]

Ye

[coral ibex]

i basically always press shiv and then vanish garr

in KB

[iron carbon]

At the very end

[coral ibex]

shiv at 7s, vanish garr at 6

[dapper pumice]

in m+ you only have 1 shiv though right

[cinder quartz]

i hate master assassin

[iron carbon]

But I feel I lose damages, even in HC

[dapper pumice]

and youd still want to do that at the start before kb?

[coral ibex]

yea, you shiv the end of kb

[austere ridge]

can u cloack the second boss of raid run away mechanic?

[woven folio]

what are the turnips called this exp?

[drowsy hatch]

do it at the end

[dapper pumice]

ohhhh okok

[coral ibex]

no, you shiv the end of kb with 1 shiv

[spice spire]

Yes

[coral ibex]

since it ramps

[austere ridge]

made my day

ty

[hoary scroll]

i always finish with 5 or more cp or do i finish with 6 or more as assa?

[drowsy hatch]

I was cloaking the runaway once

[coral ibex]

has to be the first second of the cloak

for true immunity

[drowsy hatch]

and our priest yanked me out of range

[spice spire]

I’m pretty sure this one is just

[drowsy hatch]

i screamed

[spice spire]

Whenever

[kindred hinge]

Not sure

[spice spire]

Step in

[iron carbon]

Sikran HC for exemple

[kindred hinge]

I press when ever

[iron carbon]

Idk

[coral ibex]

idk where i read it but i saw that only the true immunity works with cloak so thats the only way ive ever done it

for bloodbound horror

could be wrong

[drowsy hatch]

I think it all works

[coral ibex]

its good practice for blightbone in NW anyway

[cinder quartz]

i definitely press -3s

[drowsy hatch]

but I also cant say for sure now

[spice spire]

I don’t think it’s blood bound.
Supe cloak is blightbone

[cobalt flint]

Anyone have any experience simming spyglass? Dslice sims as 5k dps loss for a 639 spyglass over a 619 ritual knife..

[kindred hinge]

I press when I see the cast, meaning that it gooes down when I have a few sec left not the first sec

[coral ibex]

i would rather use the true immunity every time and never risk it

[kindred hinge]

And it work

[coral ibex]

than die for dps uptime in a raid

[kindred hinge]

So I guess you don't need tru immune

[coral ibex]

and get mocked

[left sundial]

kb 7 sec and shiv not anymore ?

[dire sphinx]

hell yeah, i'm hitting 97%ile for my ilvl on queen heroic

[spice spire]

Are you running the right build?

[spice spire]

Gz dog

[coral ibex]

no, you still shiv the end of kb

[dire sphinx]

all thanks to @balmy condor and @slate crown

[patent plaza]

is it just me or is the thistle change really annoying

[solar wyvern]

Just look at kill times. 2:30 is a full second deathmark ending ofc dps is high on the oct 9 pull. Just above on the 22nd is a 3 min pull (before cds finish) and its nearly comparable

[waxen oyster]

you dont notice the tea change

unless you're spamming

[iron carbon]

Nah these logs are bullshit

Didn't kill Skran tonight

[patent plaza]

disagreed, auto-use at <30 is mega noticeable

[iron carbon]

Was offline

[coral ibex]

you must be using VV

[waxen oyster]

thats a misplay

[spice spire]

Do you spam

[patent plaza]

completely disaligns my buttons

[coral ibex]

and spamming

skill issue

[drowsy hatch]

if youre noticing auto tea your talents are messed up

[patent plaza]

can't use the mast buff effectively if i am not the one deciding when it goes off

[spice spire]

Wait roll that one back

[coral ibex]

why are you spamming your buttons and going under 30 energy so often outside cds

[spice spire]

You absolutely can decide when it goes off

Your energy at 80? Don’t press mut

If you’re spamming it’s whatever

[vernal lagoon]

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[spice spire]

The difference is low

[patent plaza]

i don't find myself energy starved, that's not the point

the point is when the mast buff goes off

[coral ibex]

yea bc you're getting auto tea lmao

thats why you're not energy starved

[spice spire]

You don’t find yourself energy starved because it’s proccing

[past bobcat]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

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!WA

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[subtle tundra]

fucking change tea back

change tea back

[spice spire]

It’s 0.2% lose to rawdog it like that mast buff ain’t that big of a deal big dog

[subtle tundra]

nobody asked

for that

[iron carbon]

Nha, I just become cray

All kills, I got more dps

[spice spire]

Many did actually

[subtle tundra]

i dont care that its not a big deal

dps wise

[iron carbon]

I must be stupid

[patent plaza]

i'm not using tea to recoup energy, i literally only press it with kb and in super niche scenarios

[subtle tundra]

it feels bad

really really bad

[left sundial]

i dont like supercharge

[dapper pumice]

doesnt the change actually force you to play correctly now lol

[proper tapir]

You also want to throw out an imp Garrote at the end of the buff, like 3 secs before it's gone. Even if you aren't in pandemic.

[coral ibex]

if you dont have tea charges for your cds then you are hitting auto tea... because you're spamming

[subtle tundra]

no it doesnt?

[spice spire]

Energy was like 90% of the reason to use tea

[karmic stream]

what changes playstyle wise with the subterfuge cooking? Is it just to utilize vanish more aggresive with 2 charges or?

[patent plaza]

this is not what i said, i have tea charges, they just don't go off when i want them to, in order to increase dps of my other buttons

because at that point my mast buff may be already in like 4 seeconds worth

[strange python]

why doesnt whispy'rs afenar weakauras track envenom when in m+ ?

[patent plaza]

so it's a waste

[spice spire]

Buddy

You can still

Place it on a button

[coral ibex]

huh

[dapper pumice]

it stops you from spamming outside of your cds, which you shouldnt have been doing anyways right?

[spice spire]

If you have charges

[coral ibex]

bro just press the keybind

like

???

[spice spire]

You can just

[drowsy hatch]

you prob arent taking ttk in m+

[spice spire]

Use them

?

[warm shard]

For Ovinax mythic do people ever hold their cd’s for adds or just always sending

[subtle tundra]

why wouldnt i spam

[spice spire]

The whole auto use

[coral ibex]

if you have tea charges, press your keybind to use them

[spice spire]

Is 100% optional

You can play around it

Or spam

It legitimately doesn’t matter that much

[dapper pumice]

so you can pool energy for your KB in the old playstyle?

[patent plaza]

reading comprehension is fucked

so much for help

[spice spire]

Buddy

[subtle tundra]

pooling is not a thing. many times i want to get CP as fast as possible ( referesh envenom, refresh rupture, get mark back up)

[coral ibex]

lol gl

[spice spire]

You’re not listening

[fleet pagoda]

my m+ build sims higher with ttk, but going by the sims' timeline for st and messing around with the target dummy it seems like there's almost never overlapped envenom buffs. am I missing something about this that's making it greater value?

[strange python]

you're right, im using the wowhead m+ build - i heard it's not updated yet? can you possibly send me a build with ttk ?

[hollow pier]

Ur literally just doing it wrong lol

[coral ibex]

your reading comprehension is what's fucked

[spice spire]

Let’s not pile on

[coral ibex]

rebind tea and press it in your cooldowns

[spice spire]

Please

[warm vortex]

Ok did they nerf daggar
i remember it being ahead in both ST and AoE sims
now it's ahead in aoe sims but not by too much
and behind in ST sims

[drowsy hatch]

Its been updated, that is the current build still. If you want to take ttk in m+ the cooks are in the pins

[dapper pumice]

pooling is not a thing ANYMORE, with the changes, but it absolutely used to be a thing before and still should be a thing when you're in m+

[subtle tundra]

also i dont really care for raid, its annoying but its whatever
its really bad in m+
it keeps proccing

so i dont fucking have it

with kb

like ever

[spice spire]

M+ is really bad ngl

Macro to shiv

That way you’ll always have the one

[proper tapir]

I covered those here #assassination message

[spice spire]

Is like my use

My use

[left sundial]

macro shiv with tea idk

[subtle tundra]

it desyncs

[spice spire]

I’m not a fan

[sick wasp]

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[spice spire]

But I move forward

[subtle tundra]

yea but it fucks over my st aswell

i cant hold tea charges

for st

cause it keeps fucking procing

[zealous tundra]

can scaradyn be ised mid-fight?

[spice spire]

If you kb every minute on the minute it should not desync

[subtle tundra]

i dont get this at all

[spice spire]

But that’s not how it works

[subtle tundra]

yea i love losing skill expression

[spice spire]

And I get that

[left sundial]

we have to hold 1 tea charge for every one min kb cd am i right?

[spice spire]

Why couldn’t it be

[subtle tundra]

i cant use kb on cd??? i walk between packs and shit

sometimes i hold it at the end of pulls???

[spice spire]

Read the exact message below

[subtle tundra]

oh yea youre with me

kisses?

[spice spire]

Always bbgirl

[dapper pumice]

even if he wasn't, why are you being so agressive 😂

[spice spire]

This is varas

He’s very passionate

Like

[subtle tundra]

assa is my life

[dapper pumice]

lust?

[spice spire]

Man’s a key pusher

[cinder quartz]

🍑 is life

[spice spire]

And has been sin as long as I can remember

[celest crescent]

are there some issues (lots of dcs at the same time) on ansurek rn?

[subtle tundra]

this patch is mostly an L for me.
subterfuge is the only W

[warm vortex]

So mandate is ahead of ritual now rifht?

[spice spire]

So he has thoughts

And he cares

[warm vortex]

At least sims said

[spice spire]

Sometimes too much

[tropic plover]

This rotation feels a bit empty without ER now

[spice spire]

But he’s not being super aggro

[tacit otter]

was*

[spice spire]

He still tries!!

[subtle tundra]

i did a 15 today

[static glacier]

I’m surprised there’s not more fatebound enjoyers on kyveza logs

[subtle tundra]

!!!!

[spice spire]

He has responsibilities now

So he can’t just no life keys nonstop

[gleaming geyser]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

But he does a good job

[static glacier]

I guess the extra defensive is too good

[tacit otter]

where was the stream then??

[subtle tundra]

it was surprise key

for me too

[heavy trail]

So weird was in a key and suddenly 1/3 of the dungeon in I stopped being able to to stealth

[runic hinge]

Are they playing bait and switch even tho

[spice spire]

Onlyfans.com/varas

[tacit otter]

i remember what you said...

[brittle cloud]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dapper pumice]

were you getting unlucky with orb timing?

[subtle tundra]

i am a dissapointment.

i got oudps'd though

[worn mural]

I heard you boys in here got big dps buffs, do I come back to rogue 👀

[subtle tundra]

i cant pad when there's a DK and an ele in the group

[static glacier]

I’d assume so, I don’t think the extra cloak duration is worth it

[heavy trail]

@dapper pumice maybe but it wasn't on/off, it was greyed out until I left. So weird. now it could have been a UI thing I am checking itas the wa pack I use had some bugs

[high walrus]

anyone gone through the effort of making an Opie ring with tww s1 dungeon tps?

[tacit otter]

did you play hybrid or subterfuge stuff?

[fervent fog]

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[subtle tundra]

subterfuge

[azure owl]

What do I get rid of in the assasinaton tree to get Master assasin when playing subterfuge?

[drowsy hatch]

lethality

[scenic kiln]

sudden demise

[drowsy hatch]

oh

assa tree

yeah sd

[azure owl]

ok ok

[crisp blade]

We say don’t pool energy, what if the tea got used before I am able to get to KB window? Sometimes there are a bunch of small packs in keys before getting into a big pack and I want to go into KB window but tea is consumed when my energy was low…have I missed something?

[subtle tundra]

i should've played hybrid for more ST

[crimson jackal]

Isnt this new gameplay with tkk is just to keep garrote, rupture and double envenom up at all times and then blast with kb and dm? Without chewing through your energy wasting tea?

[dapper pumice]

i think the dont pool rule is mainly for ST when you have TTK, no?

am an idiot so i could be wrong

[drowsy hatch]

yeah but you wont run out of energy in the first place

[crisp blade]

Would be good to understand the pool energy thing in key yes

[tacit otter]

opinion on that?

[drowsy hatch]

if youre doing the old m+ build

theres no difference

[scenic kiln]

@subtle tundra you think in 11+ hybrid with supercharger better than subterfuge shenanigans?

[subtle tundra]

its just so many builds are viable on assa rn unless i play 12hr its hard to know what i should play

[subtle tundra]

MORE FUN

MORE PLAY

[subtle tundra]

SUBTERFUGE MORE FUN

[crimson jackal]

Well you shouldn't, I had to re-learn this new build in mythic last night, i was so lost without ER 😂

[proper tapir]

I put some builds in these sims #assassination message

[dapper pumice]

for example, in GB, before the 3rd boss i would not spam everything i have on the two lava benders and also pool before he gets on the dragon

[scenic kiln]

YA FOR SURE MORE FUN BUT IDK IF I CARE FUN IF I HAVE ELE SHAM IN MY PARTY XDDDD

[drowsy hatch]

well yeah I suppose, but yeah the overall point is we have a lot of energy with ttk and scoundrel

[subtle tundra]

you dont pool before he gets on dragon cause there is RP so you regen

[dapper pumice]

but i would be out of teas right?

[crisp blade]

@balmy condor can you please help with this question? 💕

[subtle tundra]

i fucking hate this tea change

[scenic kiln]

just dont press so many buttons xd

[subtle tundra]

im going to sleep

[runic hinge]

2% dps is probably worth it

[dapper pumice]

LOL

[stray adder]

you and I both

[coral ibex]

i always full send on the lavabenders bc double lavabenders fucking blows and the phase 1 of the boss is a snoozefest

[tacit otter]

sang or ma?

[coral ibex]

you could not send DM on the lavabenders, you will have kb back for the dragon phase for sure

[dapper pumice]

more towards the end of the lavabender, i start to pool to make sure im not consuming teas anymore

and then be careful on him before the dragon not to consume my tea

otherwise im left with no teas and no vanish

[subtle tundra]

MA

[heavy trail]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[subtle tundra]

Idk why they felt the need to add tea charge micro managing auto procs

Thanks

I guess

[dapper pumice]

you guys dont want to micro manage ER? well now u can micro manage tea

[arctic tusk]

do you hold any cds in mythic silken?

[runic hinge]

Shoulda made it a choice node

[marble crest]

is dracthyr atleast a decent race to go?

[dapper pumice]

middle of the pack

[tacit otter]

tyy

[drowsy hatch]

its fine nothing special

[scenic kiln]

race does not matter

[bitter saddle]

Can you attack while gliding as Dracthyr?

[flint snow]

so TTK 'overlap' is just new language for 'stacking but separate durations' right?

[tawdry flint]

couldn't agree more

[marble crest]

i rly wnana goi but i also dont want it to bea s bad aslike

[timber gate]

IS MA worth it for m+ i am feeling supercharged + normal SD with no MA.

[drowsy hatch]

its not bad

[marble crest]

vulerpa

[vagrant brook]

how do you guys minmax mercurial egg?

[marble crest]

im a mechagnom now so its a loss to change lol

i just wanna see my full mog

[spare flame]

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[bitter saddle]

What race is the bestest best dmg wise?

[marble crest]

mechagnome

[bitter saddle]

Ah these ugly little ones

[marble crest]

YO CHILL

[cerulean walrus]

Imagine actually caring about that though

Just play what looks nice

[bitter saddle]

I fesr that I can’t find my character in m+ then

[static glacier]

depends on a bunch of stuff tbh

[cerulean walrus]

Because you don’t play at a level where it matters

If you are asking that question

[dapper pumice]

hey

yes i do

my heroic prog guild cares

[static glacier]

meld is pretty good for nelf for aoe

im z troll cus that's what this char was made as xd

[bitter saddle]

Im playing a nelf because i like the looks and shadowmeld is like a free vanish when tank goes to chainpull

And you can dodge some attacks with it too

[cerulean walrus]

Oh no he’s a restealth guy

[torn ridge]

some gambling fans out here who tried fb in raid in 11.0.5?

[scenic kiln]

i paly f blood elf because it helps my gender dysphoria

[cerulean walrus]

[marble crest]

heroic prog guild has more to worry about if race is the thing they are focused on

[tidal depot]

Nahhh tea force drinking at 30 energy is criminal

[thorn fjord]

Complaining in a disc channel about it is even more criminal

[dapper pumice]

yeah i know i was joking 😛

[marble crest]

:(

u baited me

[cerulean walrus]

Complaining about tea change when it doesn’t actually matter is so funny

[thorn fjord]

CRIMINAL

[tidal depot]

grrrr me angy (i literally just picked up sin today)

[cerulean walrus]

Oh yes sorry

CRIMINAL

[tidal depot]

idek what people are tb honestly

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

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[dapper pumice]

i dont even have a guild xD

[cosmic rune]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

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!wa

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[dapper pumice]

i just reclear with a pug every week and watch it fall to shit at queen without fail

[coral ibex]

[dapper pumice]

RL: who can pop?
Raid: crickets

they should make it so you dont get AOTC if you were dead for the kill lol

im convinced 50% of the people with 8/8 were dead on their pull

[pliant silo]

Any tea cucks

Yes blizzard please fuck my tea while I watch

Gets me goin’

[thin plinth]

hi guys, im ilvl 618 and this was my last run. can someone tell me what i can improve 🙂 id be very grateful

[coral ibex]

tea complainers when their button presses result in tea usage under 30 energy

[thin plinth]

it was mists 9

[coral ibex]

[coral ibex]

bro thats's a target dummy

not a mists 9

[proper tapir]

Can you kill a boss and log it?

[thin plinth]

hahahaha sec

[misty torrent]

So… rogues are stronger now or?

[coral ibex]

idk looks about right, envenom could be higher

[crisp blade]

Can’t really give reviews based on just dmg meter

[coral ibex]

65% uptime is lower than i ever have in m+ overall

[runic hinge]

I get stronger every day tbh

[coral ibex]

im usually at 75% overall uptime for envenom in a key

[thin plinth]

alright

[placid adder]

also you have aug

[coral ibex]

maybe refreshing bleeds to early or something idk, but your spatter damage is good

[thin plinth]

so 1 thing is envenom uptime

[thorn fjord]

Finally get to play

[coral ibex]

envenom uptime and refreshing bleeds less quickly which will result in more energy/cp used on envenoms

[karmic stream]

Are there any rotation changes with subterfuge m+ builds? (compared to hybrid)

[tranquil hound]

How have people been handlin moving pack to pack and getting to boss with 0 tea .

[broken sandal]

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[lime pelican]

seems bugged on bloodblound

[dapper pumice]

the biggest diff is vanishing with 6s left on KB

i believe

and holding shiv for that phase

even on ST

[keen helm]

yo guys anyone knows what will be the loss of damage if i not manage my auto tea in m+?

[karmic stream]

we get 12 sec MA with sub though, but is it still 6 sec? I know it is for raid builds atleast

[fiery drift]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[dapper pumice]

minimal

[gloomy otter]

is outlaw broken rn? or why are almost top 100 only outlaw now lol

[fleet pagoda]

I think I've found a bug with master assassin is there a reference for bugs so I can see that we know of it already?

[dark crag]

Bug

[gloomy otter]

what is bugged?

[cloud basin]

Anyone know if I'll get BRD loot in my vault? Or is nerubar heroic gonna take precedence

[keen helm]

even if i have no charge for my dm+kb burst?

[coral ibex]

yes outlaw is bugged rn

[tidal depot]

yes u can get brd loot in vault

[quaint hull]

FOR SIMS CAN WE USE LATEST NOW.

[tidal depot]

dont know if theres priority

[tropic jewel]

i9s there a build now for m+ ?

[dapper pumice]

you should always have one if you macro it to shiv

[dark crag]

Outlaws firing coup with every eviscerate

[tranquil hound]

Not unless its auto using my stuff lol

[hollow river]

Check wowhead

[gloomy otter]

https://i.imgur.com/vg8yRBW.jpeg

anyone know how to fix this? lol , i changed my race to mechagnome and since then my weapon slot is bugged and its HUGE now

[dark crag]

Bannable exploit btw

[dapper pumice]

thats why you macro it to shiv, and the CD should line up for the most part

[keen helm]

oh ok tyvm for info

[dark crag]

Had that in raid with the recalibrater today

[high walrus]

can I keep my mark on last boss of dawnbreaker phase switch

without having to use my vanish to reapply it

[dapper pumice]

the fix is never stop moving, seems to only happen when you stand still xD

[dark crag]

Yes

[sinful shale]

It’s happening to all of us smh

[tranquil hound]

how does it prevent uato use with macroed with shiv tho

[coral ibex]

your tea cooldown will be sync'd up

[dapper pumice]

it prevents it by you using it instead of waiting for it to be auto used

[coral ibex]

so you will have one that comes back during your kb when you would shiv

[dapper pumice]

and the tea CD will line up with your KB

so it will be up every KB window

[tranquil hound]

I see

[coral ibex]

again you are not using tea for energy in this iteration

[tranquil hound]

So its just syncing the cd with shiv which shpuld be used in KB window

[coral ibex]

yes

so even if the other 2 charges get auto used

[livid spear]

are rogues going dracthyr now ?

[tidal depot]

middle of the pack

[coral ibex]

your first tea re-charge will always come back during your kb

[drowsy hatch]

not in particular

[lyric cypress]

U use the tea for the first 6 secs of KB or the last or its the same?

[gloomy otter]

"Dracthyr is middle of the pack, on par with like gnome/goblin/nelf/dwarf/kul tiran. Play it if you feel pretty, otherwise whatever"

[tidal depot]

unless ur feelin cute

[fleet pagoda]

is Master Assassin bugged for yall? with or without subterfuge; it's duration keeps ticking down even when restealthing and doesn't reset until it has expired fully. so hitting vanish with one second remaining on it will leave you with no MA for the next 6/12 seconds. imp garrote and IC aren't affected by this for comparison

[coral ibex]

you macro tea to shiv and use it that way

[twin spoke]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[uneven plume]

wheres the subt build on WoWhead that everyone says is the best rn?

[coral ibex]

i did also notice this

[drowsy hatch]

nowhere, its in pins

[uneven plume]

I dont see the talent code

[coral ibex]

so it sounds like the same subterfuge bug that outlaw has

so sick

[drowsy hatch]

just read it

[coral ibex]

we caught an outlaw bug

[drowsy hatch]

it tells you what to change

[mighty crown]

sin good dont like tea thing but it is what it is

good in m+ really good ST in raid :3

[runic hinge]

:3

[fleet pagoda]

[onyx linden]

Eviserate? No you just spam BTE

[random fossil]

i just got 11 stacks of tails and didnt get a lucky coin

[onyx linden]

nothing else

[uneven plume]

a talent code would be great. but thank you

[lilac shale]

so we aim two stacks all the time with twist the knife ?

[desert vault]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[novel star]

Yea

[gloomy otter]

whats the point of the shiv tea macro? didnt get it

[drowsy hatch]

well good luck finding one

[dapper pumice]

it would be, but unfortunately the people who write these guides and test these build arent our personal monkeys we can just force to put things out for our convenience

[zealous tundra]

can anyone share myth+ build? I tried experimenting and sucked smth on Batol +10

[arctic tusk]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

To make sure you have them synced and don’t waste one out of CDs

[uneven plume]

i thought this was their job

i didint know

😦

ill cook something

ty

[drowsy hatch]

its 3 talent changes that says exactly what to change in the pins

[gloomy otter]

but isnt it kinda passive anyways now? just let it be stacked and its use it self?

[drowsy hatch]

its if you dont want to have it be passive

[spice spire]

Yeah but it’s a small gain to send with kb for mastery

[uneven plume]

drop sanguine blades for master assassin, and drop sudden demise for twist the knife

[spice spire]

It’s 0.2% loss to rawdog and passive it

I legit cba

[uneven plume]

someone def over cooked with this one

[spice spire]

Correct

[uneven plume]

that its burnt

[novel star]

what the hell do you want man

[spice spire]

That’s the one they’re cooking with

[uneven plume]

the sudden demise one xDD

[novel star]

do you want people to give you guides with simmed talents

[spice spire]

ST dam ^

[novel star]

or not

[arctic tusk]

i assume in opener u would awnt to tea last 6 seconds?

[novel star]

what the fuck

[dim estuary]

when cooked m+ build

[high walrus]

I feel like they might fix some bugs very very soon hopefully

along with the ele shammy hotfix

[novel star]

"ugh im so annoyed i have to cook builds myself and theres no import code"

[uneven plume]

dw guys im cookin

[novel star]

"ugh wtf someone must have overcooked this build i dont believe its accurate"

[hollow vessel]

am I the only one experiencing severe input lag after 11.0.5?

[novel star]

jesus fucking christ

[high walrus]

no

I just randomly get insane input lag

[hollow vessel]

it's driving me insane holy shit

[spice spire]

Let’s cool it it’s okay

[uneven plume]

🧑🏻‍🍳 ❤️‍🔥

[novel star]

[spice spire]

I promise

[novel star]

not a good day of assassination channel

i am sorry.

[old halo]

where the cooked M+ import, did like no damage

[random fossil]

we need to get nerfed fast so we can go back to normal assassination chat

[acoustic roost]

Shit was so cooked early morning. Seli had to make a pin lol

[uneven plume]

hold on im cooking.

[random fossil]

i miss the homoerotic energy

[acoustic roost]

Oh it’s gone now

[drowsy hatch]

whispyr hasnt even had a restealth breakdown yet and assassination chat is cooked

[dapper pumice]

if people are this angry about tea, wait till blizz nerfs us next week

[arctic tusk]

wut?

[dapper pumice]

theyre doing more balance changes next week

and you can only assume everyone at the top is going to take a hit

[midnight atlas]

i just had to finish a 10 sv by disabling all addons and restarting game. lag is insane. i dont know whats causing it

[arctic tusk]

why you respond to me asking about tea in opener lol

[oblique sorrel]

I noticed a drop in damage yesterday

[dapper pumice]

oh

oops

LOL

iono why my shit keeps responding to random stuff

[gloomy otter]

what is scent/sbs

[acoustic roost]

That’s a you problem

[oblique sorrel]

How I’m doing the same rotation

[novel star]

scent of blood / serrated bone spike

[keen crown]

!wa

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[dapper pumice]

well if no one else is losing damage and you are.... you can only assume its your play

[novel star]

well that might be the problem

since

[gloomy otter]

ty

[hollow vessel]

I don't understand how they always break everything

[acoustic roost]

There was a change in opener. We no longer have ER or have to press snd

[novel star]

the new talents change the rotation

[acoustic roost]

So if you’re pressing the same rotation then you’re doing it wrong

[agile geyser]

are you live logging? or have a clipping overlay?

[oblique sorrel]

Fair enough if there an updated guide I could look at?

[dapper pumice]

check the pins

check wowhead

[random fossil]

is not getting lucky coin sometimes a known issue or is it another 11.0.5 moment?

[oblique sorrel]

I looked at the wow head one it did not look that different?

[drowsy hatch]

youre gonna have to find a fatebound player for that one

[novel star]

lucky coin not working is an old bug and it never got fixed i think

[drowsy hatch]

the buttons are the same but the difference is ttk

youre maintaining 2 envenoms, not 1

[random fossil]

sims higher for me but ive never felt this scammed before in my life, back to ds

[acoustic roost]

And MA back in the fold for your kingsbanes

[jade abyss]

Here is one D:

[spice spire]

Hey king

(I don’t even like men, this is kinda fucked)

[drowsy hatch]

lol im messin

[dawn heath]

it really feels bad not to play bonespike in keys

im used to my double ruppies

[random fossil]

me neither but i like assassination players

[spice spire]

Amen brother

[novel star]

bone spike is nice but subterfuge is also nice

idunno

i think its fine

[dawn heath]

i dont like it cause

[novel star]

[dawn heath]

i had to change 4 binds

[novel star]

ah

[dawn heath]

my ambush and my CT buttoin was the same button

now its cooked

[tranquil hound]

!wa

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[random fossil]

sbs stays on during sex and through talent build changes

[dawn heath]

cause of the stealth bar

[tranquil hound]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[novel star]

my stealth bar has always just been 1:1

except tea bind is sap bind lmao

[dawn heath]

well now

[novel star]

i click when i wanna use distract

[dawn heath]

i had to change bind on sap cheapshot ambuish and CT

so a fuck ton of missclicking going on

[bronze rock]

2 questions : 1 - do i have to track deathstalker's buff ? 2 - why is the wowhead guide so difficult to understand ?

[random fossil]

i had sap on feint until the shadow dance arc

[thin blade]

guys, someone know what is the cap on cele for rogue that season??

[strong wing]

Deathstalker bug just happened for me now xD

[jade abyss]

We cant skill shadowstep?

[strong wing]

super random

[novel star]

Yes and it's not

[thin blade]

the minimum i mean

[novel star]

but whispyr also has youtube guides if videos are easier

[ashen totem]

I got 3 dead keybinds with the update so i just filled them with pick lock

[jade abyss]

Gigachad

[bronze rock]

3- how do u reset bonespikes from dummies ? kinda making me insane

[brittle quail]

quick question, with ttk talented do we want one or 2 envenom before DM+ Shiv +KB?

[tall jay]

I know Whispyr put out a while ago a string for simming which "spec" to play in photo form, but is there a import string for that any where? asking for a friend? 😄

[high walrus]

anyone know if there's a way to somehow keep mark and snd for last phase of last boss of dawnbreaker

[ashen totem]

i just dont vanish p1

[brittle quail]

snd you don't care, mark keep your vanish

[heavy trail]

@dapper pumice That's two keys now it did it. So weired might be my UI.

[keen spruce]

you're gonna get SND back up on your first envenom

ig you could save CP

[dapper pumice]

yeah gotta be

[keen spruce]

and cast it

but no point

[high walrus]

yeah I know the snd doesn't matter much

[silent wedge]

!wa

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[high walrus]

it's more so the fact that it drops off like 1 second before he lands

[keen spruce]

but yeah mark u just gotta save vanish

[high walrus]

and not being able to vanish garrote my deathmark is cringe

but such is life

[dapper pumice]

make him land faster

problem solved

[coral ibex]

big lmao angle in m+ btw totally not a huge buff

[uneven plume]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMmZmZGmBAAAAAAYWMmtZAAAAAAotlZmBzMGzMzysNmZwMzYGMzMbbLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwyA

i cooked

[heavy elk]

could just save the vanish/deathmark for P2, since you are probably sending DM on the miniboss right before him anyway

[wild hound]

I've checked pins and wowhead but can't find a clear answer: Is the goal to have 2 stacks of envenom at all times? Cause after the changes maintaining one stack is piss easy, but two is quite hard after a while in-between cd's. Also with only having one charge of tea for kingsbane, what amount of energy do we want to pool to in preparation of it so we can spam envenoms during it?

[bitter brook]

do i always spend at 7cp if i have supercharger?

[drowsy hatch]

follow normal prio for cp spending

disregard supercharger

[bitter brook]

ok 😄

[arctic tusk]

@balmy condor do u know if we should be playing mandate in silken court and use during amps?

skardyns mandate

[spice spire]

Seems juicy

Ngl

[drowsy hatch]

broadly speaking, you should be able to maintain 2 envenom stacks with the new build most of the time, but keep at least one. Maintain 2 during kb windows at all times, don't know the breakpoints but its not a hard amount to thit

[north halo]

I was short in time today so i could only try a few minutes, but the St was a bit lower than before patch or? Or ist it only me? Tomorrow i got more time to test then

[placid wave]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[drowsy hatch]

st should be a 6% buff

[heavy elk]

should be higher. just press envenom more than you were pre-patch probably

[cobalt sphinx]

serrated boner spike

[north halo]

Okay so maybe i was to focused on not dumping to much energy to have 1 tea ready for the next burst window
I will try tomorrow

[spice spire]

That’s when I press rupture

[placid wave]

!wa

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[wild hound]

Really? Dang I'm kinda finding it hard to maintain two stacks of it for example throughout an entire sikran fight. I've got the weakaura with the blue tick for pandemic so shouldn't be an error there right?

[dawn heath]

i still don't understand how to play around the twist the knife talent

[spice spire]

Just send it bud

No playing around

Just keep a stack up at all times

[novel star]

not possible to get 200% uptime

[drowsy hatch]

Should be right. If youre getting low then maintain just 1 envenom until youre up more

[novel star]

^

[spice spire]

Two if you can help it

[drowsy hatch]

you should have like 60%? having both at the same time

saw that number earlier

[wild hound]

Yeah that sounds about right! That i think i hit pretty comfortably, thats nice then ^^

[novel star]

no idea lmao

[spice spire]

I’m gonna keep it a buck

I’m not tracking the two buff uptime

[novel star]

can you check that shit on wcl even

[drowsy hatch]

most important to have it during KB windows

[spice spire]

I see raw envenom uptime

[spice spire]

Yes

And then I skidaddle on

[novel star]

how

[cobalt sphinx]

this is me spamming my buttons wtihout a tracker

[runic hinge]

We are like half a day into this patch and people can’t just play game and have fun. Gotta spam discord with one million questions.

[cobalt sphinx]

that looks better than 60%

and i just envenom when i reach 5 cp

[spice spire]

Buffs

[novel star]

yea

but

2 stack envenom specifically

[drowsy hatch]

yeah that's pretty good

[wild hound]

And so if i may throw a hypothetical: I've got kingsbane coming off cd in 10 sec. I'm at 50 energy. I will have one tea charge with shiv for the kingsbane. Would it be worth to let the envenom buff drop for a few sec to pool up energy so I can spam out envenoms during the kingsbane?

[novel star]

[wild hound]

And if so to what energy?

[spice spire]

Literally above

[novel star]

yes but i’m asking for a number

[spice spire]

Mike dawg got that dog in him for doing that

[novel star]

not just the graph

[spice spire]

Oh lmfao

Miss me w that

You can calc times

But I’d rather uh

[novel star]

the number is 1 stack uptime and the graph you just have to eyeball which is CRINGE

[spice spire]

Fuck a cheese grater

[cobalt sphinx]

i was trying to figure out a filter expression but i don't know if it's possible

[dawn heath]

dont play this game to have fun

[drowsy hatch]

dont want to drop envenom. If you're going to be super low for KB start chilling with 1 sooner frankly. Youll have to determine what energy you need though, new build and all

[novel star]

it’s over

maybe look at what the bear druids are doing

surely theyve got something

[spice spire]

Bro

[thorn fjord]

@novel star check your dms booboo

[spice spire]

I am not checking iron fur stack #

[novel star]

?

[wild hound]

Yeah that's what I meant, okay perfect! Feel comfy then, thanks a bunch! 🙂

[spice spire]

Does dieslow have the tech

[drowsy hatch]

yeah its very similar really. Just slamming more envenoms than before, try not to overthink

[versed mica]

Wait, does pins mean Fatebound is theoretically better than Deathstalker now?

[spice spire]

Yes

But fatebound can theoretically eat me

[midnight atlas]

no. just a bunch of addons that didnt get updated for this patch. big wigs, details etc. maybe its details with certain specs.
for me it always happened having a spellslinger mage in party

[woven shore]

ROGUES

i need help

please someone send me your Ingame Seetings

i accidentally deleted my settings

i will flip out

[pure star]

honest opinions, tell me if im cooked or not, why not just drop iron wire for ttk and drop sanguine for master? is iron wire that crucial or is it just one of the only utilities we bring to a key kekw?

[woven shore]

if i have to re do my u

i

[gritty cypress]

Question on Plater because I'm a noob with it and I'm asking here because it's Whispyr's plater profile: How do I make friendly player names go back to default blizzard? I disabled the "Friendly Player" module in plater but people still have enlarged names in a different font with no guild info, rather than Blizzard names

[novel star]

iron wire is unbelievably overpowered

[woven shore]

[versed mica]

For keys iron wire is so fucking good like holy shit

[placid wave]

Subterfuge in M+ is looking good (master assassin is large), without a trace not so much but it's either that or lethality so play whatever honestly
Where is the third point even coming from?

[dawn heath]

Did our ST improve in m+ build I feel like im doing more damage but that could just be the haste affix and me padding on the orbs?

[versed mica]

If you are doing high keys it's a life saver

[fresh kelp]

Iron wire might be the single strongest talent of any spec in keys

[dawn heath]

the sims tell me that it is not a dmg gain

[woven shore]

iron wire literally stuns enemys for 6 seconds or 5

[fresh kelp]

Except maybe poison cleanse totem

[woven shore]

and you can re-.stealth

12 sec cc

• kick

[placid wave]

it literally does not stun it silences

[woven shore]

• blind

cc

whatever

[placid wave]

i mean if you're gonna use literally D:

[woven shore]

unable to do anything but non interruptable

and now

[balmy condor]

stun and silence are also very different

[woven shore]

send me your in game setting

[balmy condor]

silences don't DR

[pure star]

ugh, im just not liking boss fights in m+ in the regular build, i feel useless

[woven shore]

[dawn heath]

if we had good ST in keys we would be so fucking broken

[woven shore]

wym ?
are you playing Whispyrs hybrid build

[dawn heath]

like ele shaman broken

[versed mica]

You'll have to pry my settings from my cold, dead fingers

[placid wave]

This note about subterfuge is to drop lethality for it, does that imply you only take 1 point in subterfuge like this?

[dawn heath]

we have sustained aoe we're good on all targets counts we have funnel we're just abit weak in st

[balmy condor]

and now move supercharger over

[tidal depot]

we got some new builds i should be looking at or wut

[placid wave]

got it so that + supercharger thanks

[uneven plume]

drop recup and supercharger

for 2/2 subt and 2 vanish

[placid wave]

and then recup -> lethality

makes more sense

thanks!

[dawn heath]

wait what

that is not the build?

this is what we play?

[balmy condor]

you can play that if you want

[dreamy blade]

No shiv?

[placid wave]

seems fine

[short comet]

!wa

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[south token]

lgtm

[dawn heath]

what would u drop for double vanish?

[uneven plume]

try this cook

[placid wave]

that is the correct Subturfuge question i was asking

[thorn fjord]

I do not

[balmy condor]

wtf is that

[dawn heath]

no lethality?

[placid wave]

without a trace is da poop

[uneven plume]

we cookin

trusty

[balmy condor]

just rawdogging doomblade

[jade abyss]

Its possible to play subzerfuge with fatebound?

[balmy condor]

ofc

[dawn heath]

i mean i can see vanish stonks going up with master assasin

[south token]

double vanish is good if tank is cucking you on every pull i guess? 🤷‍♂️

[versed mica]

Oh yeah that reminds me, do we use single shiv before KB to buff the initial damage, or do we use it for the last half of KB

[dawn heath]

but still

[versed mica]

Assuming the latter

[dawn heath]

u may only get like 1-2 more vanishes in a full duengon

[placid wave]

2nd half

[balmy condor]

yeh without a trace felt pretty pointless

but it's 1 point

so who cares

subterfuge+ma are really good

[spice spire]

Damn

[polar gorge]

!wa

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[royal lantern]

ah yes, 1x more vanish trought out the dungeon will give you endless casts of it

[fresh kelp]

The extra vanish on crucial packs where the extra silences come in are prob worth it in some keys

[versed mica]

Without a trace feels better for DS if your buff vanished into thin air often

[dawn heath]

i mean it can be good for mob control but i doubt its the highest dps output

[south token]

hey its something

[placid wave]

Whispyr, do the subterfuge + MA builds devalue crit at all yet?

[versed mica]

It's not

[tidal depot]

i mean if we're talkin DPS just drop iron wire gg

[proven jasper]

[opaque sigil]

There is biggest reason for WAT - fucking DS mark bug
Having second vanish just to unbrick your hero spec feels good

[balmy condor]

this is not something I ever think about

[little cipher]

Is there a macro for tricksing a tank without having to go into it each time and typing out their name?

[placid wave]

yeah good enough for me

[versed mica]

[balmy condor]

nice bait

[dawn heath]

it should devalue crit just a little bit but its not enough to make any other stat competetive

[tidal depot]

ty i rly tried

[proven jasper]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [target=TANKNAMEHERE] Tricks of the Trade

[thorn fjord]

You can literally still run the m+ build on Wowhead and still blast your ass off

[coral ibex]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[thorn fjord]

Fyi

[balmy condor]

its true

[dawn heath]

i mean i want to play whatever is best

im still not sure

[tidal depot]

Fuck it we go with @uneven plume's cook

[placid wave]

yeah the old build still feels fine, just trying to play with the new TTK toy is fun 🙂

[thorn fjord]

Rivers and lakes that you’re used to type deal

[versed mica]

Wowhead guide not updated?

[dawn heath]

if the new version is better

[versed mica]

Petition to fire whispyr

[placid wave]

no one knows whats best yet most likely.

[balmy condor]

ofc it is

[open socket]

2 leth > 2 subt?

[versed mica]

Oh okay good

[thorn fjord]

We just have options which is a good thing for most people

[coral ibex]

if you want

[dawn heath]

we all know zerocool will be enjoyer his double vanish

[coral ibex]

subt + MA go brrr

[thorn fjord]

Zero likes running sub optimal builds

He said he likes the challenge

[novel star]

i like ttk build because it makes bosses more fun

[thorn fjord]

We’re not him lol

[runic hinge]

There’s just a billion talents we can play and people want exact numbers and possibilities for every dungeon instead of just playing what’s fun and feels good

[novel star]

and i don’t run keys that matter

so lol

[rapid talon]

what do you drop for MA in M+?

[livid spear]

whisp, do you do 1 on 1 coaching :D?

[versed mica]

I always like it when a spec has options like this, makes it feel well designed

[dawn heath]

now his class became meta now he needs to be hipster in some other way

[strange python]

Focus

[coral ibex]

this build is so fun in m+ rn

feels really good in ST

[novel star]

sang

[versed mica]

Then you have outlaw that requires crackshot every build

[novel star]

it’s in the pins

[dawn heath]

is there any reason to have 2x subterfuge?

i feel like you just want to

[balmy condor]

yeh this gud

[coral ibex]

longer MA

[placid wave]

...for longer duration?

[dawn heath]

start slamming envenoms

[balmy condor]

yeh subt for longer MA is gud

[dawn heath]

you just put out bleeds so u can start slamming envenoms

evein in your MA winow

[placid wave]

yes and crit buff good

[sharp hazel]

Is assassination alright for delves?

[arctic socket]

Pain

[coral ibex]

rogue in general is good for delves

[south token]

@coral ibex i guess given your name there is not much to discuss but: drop 2nd point in subterfuge and get 2nd point in lethality?

[balmy condor]

if I had the time in my day maybe in a couple weeks idk

[coral ibex]

if you want

[tidal depot]

is ST raid still the same build or

[coral ibex]

[novel star]

yea but why would you not want a longer duration on the crit chance buff for the window where you’re mashing envenoms

[coral ibex]

its really up to you

[balmy condor]

no

[novel star]

[versed mica]

But if I lose sudden demise, how am I going to piss off my fury warrior friend LMAO

[crimson jackal]

Your race and go night elf and macro the racial with stealth and mash it

[dawn heath]

is 2pts subterfurge simming higher?

[opaque sigil]

you don’t play with nerfed toys anymore, simple

[dawn heath]

than ex lethality?

2x

[tidal depot]

new 1 on wowhead?

[balmy condor]

that's what the names for yeah

[coral ibex]

me when every fok generates 7 cp during MA and i slam like 5 envenoms in the window

[tawny geyser]

So MA is better than Hybrid for M+ atm?
Because on wowhead its the standard one with Sanguini

[tidal depot]

im illiterate

[narrow basalt]

I can finally be happy again.They killed ER 🙏

[tidal depot]

cant read

[balmy condor]

they're both fine

[dawn heath]

i think the consensus is

no one actually knows whats better

[short comet]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[tawny geyser]

What feels better to play, might be a better question then.
Btw, you doing alright mentally?

[wary hare]

!wa

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[strange python]

My main takeaway from today, right or wrong, is I slammed in st....really nailed that....but seem to be lacking in m+. I think, again may be wrong, it's because the prepatch prio / flow of play etc. is more remnant in m+, whereas ST with TTK build is just faster

[versed mica]

MA build is just to get access to subterfuge yeah?

[balmy condor]

idk subt feels good to play

[strange python]

Gotta distinguish between the two in terms of play style

[coral ibex]

yea it would be weird to play MA with no subterfuge but its up to you

[dawn heath]

I def feel like the New build has become more bursty maybe we've lost some sustain dps

[coral ibex]

like you totally could and it would be fine

[tawny geyser]

I mean I wanted to check Casual, but he avoids keys atm for some reason

[coral ibex]

but to me you go MA + subt to double down on it

[balmy condor]

from sims atm the old build is better in droute by a couple % and slightly worse in dslice

but dslice goes bananas for subt/wat because it's 6 min

so

idk

[novel star]

slice more skewed to bosses kinda right

[balmy condor]

it really just depends

[craggy hawk]

why though, why subt is a good talent rn?

[sour oasis]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

because it went from doing nothing to doubling the duration of all our stealth effects man

[strange python]

I'm not sure we've lost the sustain, just feel we need to be aware of the differences between slamming at with TTK and being more systematic and steady with m+ build

[coral ibex]

12 seconds after breaking stealth of 25% crit chance

[livid spear]

whisp, why did slice vanish from ur WA?

[drowsy hatch]

because why track it

[balmy condor]

no reason to have it

[strange python]

Basically what we were doing before but new TTK build makes it easy to start hyper pressing 😂

[novel star]

because it’s a passive

[crimson jackal]

Press it once and then forget it

[tawny geyser]

So MA+Subt
Seems interesting. I’ll try it in a +10

[livid spear]

whaat xDDDD

[runic hinge]

Don’t even press it

[livid spear]

still been pressing it

[drowsy hatch]

snd is entirely passive

[livid spear]

lil

[novel star]

sorry i’m so hungry to get mad at people that i’m answering questions directed at others

[coral ibex]

literally never press snd anymore

[tawny geyser]

Does anyone have a talent code? I’m dumb doing talents on my own. Just DM me if you have, ty ty

[coral ibex]

recreational mad enjoyer

[crimson jackal]

Which node is it built into? Or is it envenom base now

[drowsy hatch]

its cut to the chase base

[strange python]

Wowhead has many

[coral ibex]

look at the cut to the chase passive in your spellbook

[wicked valve]

anyone feel weaker in ST? I was just testing on a training dummy and felt off.

[crimson jackal]

I cant, im at work

[pulsar elk]

im sorry i am a little slow, what does the 11 mean on my env?

[novel star]

nop

[wicked valve]

Im taking it into a M+ soon, so hopefully it feels better. I know dummies arent always the best

[drowsy hatch]

amplyfying posion stacks

[crimson jackal]

Its nice to know

[novel star]

i feel about 6% stronger in raid

[tawny geyser]

Thats all I see, im on phone so might not show all

[thorn fjord]

Trying subt build on the same key to compare and contrast 😛

[tawny geyser]

And none of them have subt

[crimson jackal]

Gawd damn. One less button to press, its going to live on my bars as a cosmetic now

[dawn heath]

i am playing night elf

[thorn fjord]

Correct... This build still slaps though

[dawn heath]

that should favor subterfuge master assasin alittle bit more

[coral ibex]

its a newer cook

[slim pebble]

Let me know please

[tawny geyser]

Yy and thats why im asking if someone has a talent code

[coral ibex]

oh yea sec

[tawny geyser]

Just dm it to me ❤️

[thorn fjord]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzmxsNDAAAAAAttNzM8AzMGzMzysMmZwMzYGMmZbbZMDwmZZgBsEsMMBGWA

[tawny geyser]

So we dont flood assa channel

Oh ok thanks

[errant mauve]

25% crit for 12 seconds applies to bleeds poisons envenom KB and DM right? Thats 12 seconds of a lot of potential dmg and on ST with vanish 24 seconds covering all of CDs + some. So taking subt over supercharger and lethality balances out ?

[nocturne oasis]

On st in keys with the MA/subt talents do we use ambush to generate cps during the window or still just mut?

[molten echo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vXZhCtQAcjWLuSQgmH4sS9

Seems dslice values the 3s extra MA a lot more than 2x lethality

[errant mauve]

Abuse the broken ele shaman while ya can am I right

[tawny geyser]

Only double? They’re going 4 with 1 tank

[dawn heath]

keyholder windwalker wants to get ccaried

[exotic pulsar]

If pooling is dead is it even worth tracking envenom anymore?

[coral ibex]

yes

[thick burrow]

what does a fatebound subterfuge looks like on m+? (talent tree)

[coral ibex]

you want to play for max uptime which involves pandemic'ing the shorter buff

[strange python]

Maybe moreso now, for optimal play

[crimson jackal]

100% double envenom dummy strong

[balmy condor]

sorry that's me

[drowsy hatch]

im joining

[tidal depot]

accept my invite ugh 🙄

[drowsy hatch]

im joining

send me inv

please

[exotic pulsar]

ok then i misunderstood the pooling is dead part, we are still pooling a bit if needed for pandemic envenoms. makes sense

[crimson jackal]

Nah no pooling really

[exotic pulsar]

i guess its more like holding

[balmy condor]

if only ttk pandemic worked in sims man

[exotic pulsar]

pooling is just secondary

[drowsy hatch]

its very very limited

youll have a lot of energy

in st

[crimson jackal]

More just hitting that 5 cp mark to get the double envenom

[runic gorge]

!wa

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[pulsar elk]

Should i be playing around it?

[drowsy hatch]

nah just slam it bro

[strange python]

I think the only "pooling" is making sure you have plenty of energy for burst windows right? Other than that we kinda good

[drowsy hatch]

if you need to

[crimson jackal]

Shiv+tea during burst window you should be struggling to get rid of energy 😂

[woven shore]

can someone tell me where to turn this off

[strange python]

But energy is so rife at the mo that it's nothing like it used to be

[drowsy hatch]

yeah exactly