assassination

[arctic socket]

I wanna see those funny icons

[balmy condor]

???

[subtle tundra]

as long as assa numbers arent in the dumpster, idc if its op or mediocre

[balmy condor]

Delete snd and replace er with a mut

[arctic socket]

Surely something has to change

[balmy condor]

Opener done

[royal lantern]

remove SnD from your current opener, congratz

[balmy condor]

Tf you talking about

[arctic socket]

I’m just saying stuff to get a reaction out of you to be quite honest

[cedar hare]

Can you use Tea in next patch when ever or only when it hits 30 energy?

[arctic socket]

Whenever

[subtle tundra]

still a button

[balmy condor]

That’s fine, try it again and you can have a vacation for a couple days

[tropic tundra]

Its usable, auto option is just added

[cedar hare]

So the tea shiv macro is still a thing?

[bleak spoke]

it's not an option, you don't get a choice

[balmy condor]

It wasn’t a thing, it’s going to be a thing

[arctic socket]

Timeout ooof

[balmy condor]

Tea shiv macro is objectively bad before the patch

[pliant remnant]

Whispyr, good sir, when are you removing SnD and ER from the opener graphic on www.wowhead.com?

[cedar hare]

Yea i ment from tmrw of

[subtle tundra]

im trying to think of any good coming out of this patch
we are more bursty(i personally hate that)
we lose more st now when going m+ build
subterfuge still unplayable

[royal lantern]

deathstalker feels worse without ER

[balmy condor]

Whenever new guides go live I don’t fucking know man I’m not Nostradamus

[forest nacelle]

did i read right? i don't have to push a SnD button?

[subtle tundra]

it just feels like changes for the sake of changes to me

[native heron]

correct

[subtle tundra]

so they meet the quota

[bleak spoke]

a lot worse yeh

[royal lantern]

where are sub changes then

like, good sub changes

[bleak spoke]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o3wTRJcNcZofLQPLVcv1Fw nvm this cook is stupid @balmy condor it's not even that much more single target

[subtle tundra]

.1 trust

[bleak spoke]

i thought i would get way more than that

[subtle tundra]

this just feels wrong... in my head youre supposed to pick one

[balmy condor]

So when I tell you, you don’t listen, but when you sim my simulations you listen

Curious

[bleak spoke]

you told me it would lose more in aoe, not that it wouldn't be a measurable gain in single

and i agreed with you!

[balmy condor]

I told you it’s not worth it and you went and tried it anyway and then were surprised it wasn’t worth it

[hollow marlin]

[bleak spoke]

like basically i was wondering if it would gain enough single for me to eat the more shitty gameplay experience

[balmy condor]

But yeah that’s crazy turns out 2 stacks of lethal dose is good or something super strange weird insane

Who knew tbh

No one could’ve seen this coming

[slow echo]

Is sin less fun to play now, what's the difference? I really liked the outlaw/sub changes

[bleak spoke]

it really is insane how good lethal dose is

[balmy condor]

Sin is turning into more brainless envenom spam from the looks of it atm

Which it is what it is

[tall jay]

I hope not, sin has always been fun.

[balmy condor]

Idk why we only ever get envenom spam gameplay

When we only have like 3 envenom talents on the tree

But fuck me I guess

[slow echo]

Is caustic spatter still applied the same?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[random fossil]

bring back exsang

[balmy condor]

Fuck you

[subtle tundra]

what he meant to say is, bring back bleed interactions

[random fossil]

later

[subtle tundra]

huuuuh?

[random fossil]

in private

[balmy condor]

We have bleed talents on the tree and they all suck man it’s so ass

[slow echo]

Also, no rush, but I sent you...dare I say...a whisper

[bleak spoke]

i was thinking it but i didn't say it

[balmy condor]

Imp gar is a travel node to master assassin in single target

[subtle tundra]

% dmg increase are great!

[balmy condor]

Sanguine blades isn’t even worth the energy cause the fucking bleeds are zdps

[fallen arch]

Never bring exsang back

[balmy condor]

What an awful time to live

[fallen arch]

That shit was the worst

[subtle tundra]

envenom bot...

[hollow river]

Exsang best ability ever

[balmy condor]

The only reason we would ever play sanguine blades in st is because it eats overcapped energy during deathmark bro what the fuck did they do to this talent

The one time they add a cool bleed talent they immediately take it out back and tap it between the eyes

Actually insane

[pseudo cosmos]

[balmy condor]

Also as a reminder there is no hero talent that focuses on bleeds even though sub m+ spams rupture and sin m+ is almost 60% bleed damage

[hearty reef]

C-corrupt the blood?

[balmy condor]

Our options are envenom or envenom but with a coin

[hearty reef]

[balmy condor]

How is that the choice

[bleak spoke]

tbh it feels like everything on the tree is so awkwardly placed

[balmy condor]

Spec tree is goated but ttk should’ve moved up or down

It’s oppressively strong to be in the middle

[calm grail]

For not very intelligent people, what does twist the knife do functionally with the change?

[subtle tundra]

or, uh

nerfed

or smth

[royal lantern]

when a 50% dmg buff to garrote is NOT enough to make it a real choice rn and we rather take a mutilate buff over it and just dont use vanish at all

shit is fucked

like, really fucked

[bleak spoke]

but maybe i just feel that way because iron wire's placement

[balmy condor]

Double envenoms effects when you spam envenom, make each application time out independently

It’s iron fur

[calm grail]

Oh

Interesting

[royal lantern]

but ttk makes envenom not pandemic anymore right

so Like

[balmy condor]

That’s correct

[calm grail]

That's why you just send it it sounds like

[royal lantern]

we literally spam envenom?

[fallen arch]

It’s gonna require expert timing

[royal lantern]

like, just generate 5+cp->send instantly?

[balmy condor]

You spam for uptime basically

[clever sapphire]

time to press envenom at 0.1 sec

ultimate uptime

[fallen arch]

U wanna refresh just before the 2nd stack runs out?

[balmy condor]

If 1 stack, envenom

[fallen arch]

Or am I tripping

[balmy condor]

Maybe, we don’t know

APL can’t support that logic atm

[fallen arch]

Oh right

[royal lantern]

ah ok so like

get both envenoms rolling, and use a new one when 1 is about to run out, gotcha

[subtle tundra]

apl too stupid? confirmed

[bleak spoke]

i think given how high the uptime is you just full send

[safe barn]

this will be hard to track huh

[fallen arch]

Ye you said that in ur video

[indigo epoch]

@balmy condor thanks again for the time you put in on sorting out the madness of 11.0.5 for us plebes m8.

[fallen arch]

But how else is it gonna work then

[royal lantern]

or like, use envenom when 1 envenom did run out

[bleak spoke]

isn't it like 1.5 stacks avg

over course of a fight lmao

[balmy condor]

Np

[balmy condor]

This

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor thanks again for the feetpics and guide updates

[royal lantern]

so instead of "use envenom at roughly 1sec of envenom" its "use envenom 2x, and use a new envenom when 1 buff dropped"

[balmy condor]

That’s the safe gameplay until ttk is supported and can be cooked

[fallen arch]

I missed feetpics

[hearty reef]

Should be similar to full send in actual gameplay?

[balmy condor]

Np I know you love the grippers

[balmy condor]

Close

[royal lantern]

probably ye

[rotund oak]

what feetpics

[royal lantern]

maybe 1-2sec wait time

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-eat-cute-racoon-hungry-gif-21857108

[royal lantern]

but cant imagine a bigger downtime

[balmy condor]

If you darkest night it’s 9 second buff

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-gif-26460635

[marble hemlock]

theres just something about somebody having 4 and 6 toes respectively thats hard to beat

[balmy condor]

You’re gonna need to wait

[safe barn]

uptime is going to impact now more right?

[bleak spoke]

[balmy condor]

I don’t think this is a metric anyone gives a shit about or does math on

[spice spire]

Hard to beat off or hard to beat

[marble hemlock]

the 6-toe grip is just something special. you dont know until you know.

if you had to have 6 toes, which one would you like to have 2 of?

[bleak spoke]

thumb toe, on both sides

for symmetry

[marble hemlock]

thumb toe?

police, arrest this man

[spice spire]

It’s too early for feet guys

Damn

[marble hemlock]

you didnt answer the question

[spice spire]

Second toe

[novel star]

never

[marble hemlock]

from left or right?

[balmy condor]

This reminds me of a joke my dad would tell me in German but it’s doesn’t really work well in text. It’s basically a guy at a doctors office and he taps the dude next to him and says “hey, with your balls and my balls together, we got 5” and the dude turns to him and says “oh you only have 1?”

[bleak spoke]

this is what they mean by "early to rise"

[spice spire]

From left

[marble hemlock]

left or right foot?

[novel star]

24/7/365

[spice spire]

Left

[novel star]

piggies stay on my mind

[marble hemlock]

so the ring finger equivalent

[novel star]

:toes:

:xalatoes:

[marble hemlock]

of the toe

[novel star]

etc

[marble hemlock]

is there a word for that?

[marble hemlock]

based

[bleak spoke]

thank you kanye very cool

[marble hemlock]

love the quadsicles

[balmy condor]

Brat mentioned

[novel star]

still havent listened to it

[safe barn]

bumpin that

[marble hemlock]

july 24th 365? what happened that day?

[novel star]

holy how big is this guys mouth

[nova aspen]

hey whispyr, for mythic slug did u send everything on pull?

[balmy condor]

Maybe just really tiny feet

[royal lantern]

big as my butthole

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[balmy condor]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

theres people like steven tyler

[nova aspen]

ok thats what i thought

[spice spire]

Big enough to party

[spice spire]

Batman couldn’t get that one outta me king

[bleak spoke]

i guess making it fit is part of the fun

[balmy condor]

It’s a perspective thing ya know, like the foot is angled away from the camera so it appears smaller ya know

Horizon line

[marble hemlock]

if you had 4 testicles, you think theyd just be all 4 next to one another, or like 2 by 2, or 1 in front, 3 in back etc?

[worldly sail]

another gif for the favorites yoiink

[royal lantern]

yes

[spice spire]

[slow echo]

if?

[marble hemlock]

think 2by2 would be most comfortable?

[worldly sail]

4 on the left 0 on the right

[marble hemlock]

well this is a hypothetical for people who dont have them, to see what their preference would be

[spice spire]

Nah dog I already accidentally sit on my nuts

[balmy condor]

I imagine them to be in a row but then because they can’t stay like that, they kinda just fold in

[novel star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/606497915287896076/1002357899269505155/how_you_felt_after_saying_thats.gif

[marble hemlock]

why cant they stay like that tho?

[balmy condor]

I’m in this image

[balmy condor]

Too long

[marble hemlock]

would they get pushed into like a butterfly formation when you close your legs?

[balmy condor]

You know those grip trainer things?

They do that

[marble hemlock]

tbf if you had 4 testicles next to one another, you could probably do smth like this but with your balls

https://tenor.com/view/newtons-cradle-balance-balls-newtons-cradle-balance-balls-desk-ornament-swinging-balls-gif-21483584

[pseudo cosmos]

[slow echo]

if?

[balmy condor]

This but each grip is a pair

[vagrant brook]

11.0.5 really cooking you guys

overworked

[marble hemlock]

nah this is normal assa talk

[royal lantern]

11.0.5? thats normal assa talk

[novel star]

https://youtu.be/6rpoBZusZJY?t=19 I do this

[marble hemlock]

hmmm

[royal lantern]

this sums up #assassination

[balmy condor]

This is my reward for going from 0 sims to guide written in 4 days don’t intervene I need this

[onyx rock]

You would need three Hodensäcke if you want to be able to do that.

[marble hemlock]

ngl this'd be great for building strength in your arms without having to go to the gym

[marble hemlock]

well obviously if you had 4 balls theyd each be attached to their own sacs

[balmy condor]

I tried it but quickly realized it does nothing for bowling

Was sad

Now I just do wrist curls

[keen viper]

Hyped for the new changes?

[marble hemlock]

sounds decent

is your right arm twice as thick as your left one?

actually nvm i forgor you bowl two-handed

[balmy condor]

It’ll be hype for a bit and then reality will set in that we’re back to super speed envenom spam assa for the 37th time and it’ll be despair

[normal mist]

No snd hype
No snd hype

[balmy condor]

My right wrist and middle/ring fingers are notably larger than my left

[normal mist]

Envenom hype
Envenom hype

[marble hemlock]

ye i noticed that last night

[subtle tundra]

hope they bring snd back to sl s1 design

fuck you guys

[normal mist]

Varas is always so lovely

[royal lantern]

no no no

first its gonna be "omg so gooooood best gameplay ever i love assa!!!!" cus details bar big

then they adjust numbers

and THEN its bad

smh my head you know the wow community

[marble hemlock]

love you too

[balmy condor]

I noticed it when I tried to do wrist curls on my left for fun, I do 7kg for reps on my right

My left instantly collapsed

I could do 4kg for reps on my left, and then one rep max 5kg

It was

[marble hemlock]

man can wrist curl a bag of potatoes

[balmy condor]

Really pathetic

[pseudo cosmos]

Bag of crisps more like

[balmy condor]

7kg on a wrist curl is like

Kind of a lot

[marble hemlock]

nah, i just googled things that weigh 7kg and the first result was a standard bag of potatoes

[balmy condor]

It’s not a muscle that’s usually trained much

[marble hemlock]

sure is mr. swolespyr

[balmy condor]

Yeah swolespyr in specifically the muscle groups I need for rolling a big rock really fast

[royal lantern]

Proteinpowder in his energy drink

[pseudo cosmos]

Swolespyr

[marble hemlock]

handling big rocks is important

[rotund oak]

try 100kg potatoes bag

[balmy condor]

I got my speed up in the last month or so

32kmh off my hand

Speedy ball

[rotund oak]

if u want speed we can unload 2 trucks in the warehouse

[spice spire]

Wish those were my balls

Damn

[rotund oak]

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[balmy condor]

Are your balls 15 pound a piece

[marble hemlock]

he said his limit is 7kg

[spice spire]

It’s been a year

So maybe

[rotund oak]

are u srsly thinking of it if they were

joking ofc

[balmy condor]

Well wrist curl is 7kg for reps, which is a 15 pound ball, I don’t actually need to do that when bowling

I could bowl a small child dude

Like a toddler?

That shit is flying

[marble hemlock]

yeah but if you wanna improve on that number by wrist curling quakes balls, they gotta have at least that weight, no?

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-flop-hand-stuck-oops-slide-gif-21074250

[balmy condor]

Well that’s why I asked

If 1 quake ball is 15 pounds it wouldn’t be an improvement

[subtle tundra]

how much does a bowling ball weigh?

[balmy condor]

It would just be more reps

[marble hemlock]

hes probably just getting the kitchen scale rq to check

[balmy condor]

Variable between 6 and 16 pounds

Most bowlers throw 15’s

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck

thats a heavy ball

(not for me, im swole)

[balmy condor]

Women stay with 14’s I think

But yes

It’s a heavy ball

[subtle tundra]

and im used to carrying heavy balls

[balmy condor]

And it go fast

[pseudo cosmos]

So back to envenom spam till numbers nerf ?

[drowsy geyser]

i'm kinda learning with Raidbots, does anyone have a guide for that? I know for single target i should be doing Patchwerk 5mins, nightly build. With aoe i just change it to 5 target?

[balmy condor]

It’s a shame really cause bowling is actually a really involved sport that’s surprisingly physical and involves a lot of form, but bowling alleys chose to be a party place with shitty pizza and bad arcade games during the 70’s and 80’s and now everyone sees it as meme xdd go get fucked up drunk and just yolo a ball as hard as you can xddd

[viscid spear]

Why are his balls $39.09?

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice for m+ generally

“Aoe” sims like that are technically fine but don’t apply to any situation in game

So they’re mostly a theoretical thing

And not like

Actually useful

[drowsy geyser]

I wanna do both content, raids and also m+, but i have seen that alot of gear sims different ways on there so its kinda confusing

[balmy condor]

Yeh that’ll happen

Dungeonslice has aoe

1 target Patchwerk does not

So fully optimized they would be different

[drowsy geyser]

so there is actually "no bis" for both content together right?

[balmy prism]

I got some heavy balls for yall

[novel star]

yes

bis is kinda fake

dont bother thinking about bis in modern wow

waste of energy

[balmy condor]

There’s no bis on the concept of bis being a shit idea to begin with

But yeh

Stats change depending on what you’re doing

[drowsy geyser]

yeah i understand that,

[balmy condor]

Just get ilvl

High ilvl is like 98% of the battle

If you’re like 638 equipped we can talk about min-maxing the last drop of dps out of the stats

Until then it’s kinda pointless

[subtle tundra]

so ive been thinking

and its bad

[balmy condor]

Like if your boots are 619 there’s no point in going “oh yuck these myth track boots have vers, if only they had mastery I would wear them”

They’re automatically better

[drowsy geyser]

im 620, now going to probably replace crafted waist 619, for a dagger on highest ilvl. Also i am struggling with the trinkets since they are just the most annoying

[obtuse arrow]

Quick question, if it's answered elsewhere i'm sorry. I see on the guides the embelishments being dawnthread lining (m+) with ascension being better for longer fights. When looking at top m+ players I see ascension. Is it generally a better idea to slap ascension on if I wanna raid and do m+?

[drowsy geyser]

i was asking few days ago, that skardyn sims for aoe better then transmitter and i just am so frustrated by what to use at the end

[balmy condor]

Sure

[balmy condor]

Transmitter is automatically bad because the mini game will fuck you over more often than not

[obtuse arrow]

Thanks, appreciate the answer

[subtle tundra]

what about blessed weapon grip?

is that bis?

for m+

[drowsy geyser]

so just ignore transmitter in sims at any point?

[balmy condor]

Blessed be thy weapon grip

[normal mist]

Top m+ guys usually also raid, and in raid, ascension is better than dawnthread, especially during prog

[balmy condor]

If you have an alternative (skardyns) then ignore transmitter

If you don’t have an alternative and your transmitter is like 4% better cause it’s your only on-use

[drowsy geyser]

i got skardyn, contract and transmitter

[obtuse arrow]

yep yep, I get that.

[balmy condor]

Yeah just fucking forget transmitter exists then lmao

Dogshit ass trinket

[drowsy geyser]

probably get second trinket - sacbrood right?

[subtle tundra]

ok so what i wanted to say. what data from wow would be good to do a data analysis project on?

[marble hemlock]

well its decent for the cdr week since skardyns stays 2min but cds are lower

[balmy condor]

There’s like 10 options for the second slot, basically anything works as long as it’s not a green delve trinket

[obtuse arrow]

also, I got ovi nax trinket off the hc box this weekly. I just hit 80 yesterday with my rogue, is it dog or is it serviceable until I get a better one? Sims show it's good, but idk about the movement/standing still part

[marble hemlock]

well

[noble flume]

Guys what emebllished should put to the 2 crafted item? i got waist with dawnthread lining, should i put another to the wrist?

[balmy condor]

It’s workable for sure

Just gotta stay under 20 stacks ideally

You can dip your toe to like 22-23 if need be

[obtuse arrow]

gotcha, thank you!

[balmy condor]

But as long as they’re under 20, you’re getting full value and it’s gud

[balmy condor]

Sure yeah

[normal mist]

I'll be honest I love your answers

[calm grail]

We gonna have some sorta smooth brain tldr for any rotational changes tomorrow? I'm not being pushy, just a pleb and scared.

[normal mist]

Tldr spam envenom

[calm grail]

Got it

[normal mist]

If you want you can take 30 minutes of your day and watch the latest whispyrs video on youtube

[glossy light]

No more pooling?

[balmy condor]

I mean kinda

But no

But kinda

But not really

[subtle tundra]

whispyr if i have crafted wrist, 639 waist and feet, what do i craft for 2nd dawnthread?

[normal mist]

Yesn't

[balmy condor]

Shoulders

[subtle tundra]

ok so bad news

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong

[subtle tundra]

there might be another 639 slot

[balmy condor]

Shit

[subtle tundra]

in my shoulders

[balmy condor]

Hands?

[subtle tundra]

those are 619 yea

[balmy condor]

I’m kidding please don’t do that

[spice lagoon]

Whisppppyrr

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s probably fine

But don’t craft into a tier a lot

Slot

Just sim it idk

[subtle tundra]

its probably gonna be a ring

ngl

but that sucks too

cause for raid ill be heavy crit when i get ansurek

ring

why did god make shoulders and waist boe

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but u should become a thing in wow podcasts,with that dratnos dude and tettles

or even better replace them

we want whispyr yap

[royal lantern]

i got ansurek ring heroic in vaulr + the rashanan neck last week

my crit almost doubled and im sitting at 34% now lmao

[subtle tundra]

i have mythic mists neck

ecsdee

[grim jay]

34% is where you wanna be at ive heard

[subtle tundra]

i looked at a streamer and he had 34%

i cant say his name

[grim jay]

Z or C?

[subtle tundra]

uh the last letter of the alphabet

[arctic socket]

are the boes upgradable? On ah didn’t say

[midnight atlas]

ofc they are

[arctic socket]

Tempted to buy shoulders to turn into tier

Bet

[glossy light]

Bruh i didnt think of that, buying mythic boe into catalyst

[midnight atlas]

you usually buy mythic boes and dont catalize them because of their stats and if they got a socket.

[normal mist]

You can yes

[nova aspen]

that pin

[balmy condor]

!warn @glossy light don’t evade filter

[nova aspen]

is this both FB and DS?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess technically fatebound gained more

But whatever

Call it 7 instead of 6

[normal mist]

Fatebound isn't real and it can't hurt me.

[balmy condor]

Who’s really counting

[glossy light]

Oh i didnt even know there is a filter lol

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

Type a slur to try it

[subtle tundra]

macaronar

[royal lantern]

Outlaw

[spice spire]

That meme earlier is leaking

[balmy condor]

Quickest way to get banned is me opening staff channel

And seeing a guy rip an N word

[nova aspen]

paladin

[cedar hare]

I did. Got it for 300k

[royal lantern]

*ret Paladin

holy Paladins are Bros

[hearty reef]

Mrs obama get down

[subtle kiln]

Dbl Vanish

[nova aspen]

true

[balmy condor]

Mrs Obama could get down

Nvm

Malia and Sasha too tbh

Hmu

Nvm

[subtle tundra]

you have a gf

?!?

im telling on you

[balmy condor]

She would understand

[nova aspen]

thats too much information in one pin but sim said bigger number so im happy

currently says* bigger number

[balmy condor]

I had to edit it twice to get it within character limit

[nova aspen]

theres a character limit??

[spice spire]

Oh yeah

[drowsy geyser]

so last question, if you had to use like the "best" settings for simming st and also aoe, what it would be? So just so i know what is best?

[spice spire]

3600 innit

[normal mist]

Setting as in gear?

[drowsy geyser]

like a fight style etc

[normal mist]

Patchwerk st
Dungeonslice m+

That's about it

[balmy condor]

^

[nova aspen]

if i click video will i hear a HIYA

[balmy condor]

If you click one of mine yes

[tall jay]

Oh you no it

[nova aspen]

that one

[heavy canopy]

How much Raider IO do I need to prove I’m good at Sin Rogue?

[nova aspen]

hiya

[balmy condor]

According to Reddit, whatever is higher than mine

[heavy canopy]

So like 500?

[balmy condor]

Damn

[heavy canopy]

🤓

[soft shale]

around 3100 should be fine

[magic dust]

Just whatched Whispyrs video and im kinda confused with the Envenom pandemic take. Isnt the 3rd Envenom cast refreshing the uptime of the first envenom debuff? Or is it just overwriting it with a new one and therefore were losing the uptime of the first cast?

[balmy condor]

Overriding

[magic dust]

Well

That feels ass

[balmy condor]

Welcome to iron fur

[royal lantern]

where?

[balmy condor]

Except that stacks to infinity

And ours doesn’t

[nova aspen]

right there

[balmy condor]

Basically any envenom cast when you’re at 2 stacks is wasted uptime

Cause no pandemic and no nothing

Just raw overcap

Which is fine during shiv cause you’re slamming anyway whatever

But outside of cooldowns is actual agony

[golden loom]

you are kinda forced to do it anyways right with the crazy amount of energy we are gonna have?

[balmy condor]

Yesn’t

It’ll happen

But there’s definitely times where it won’t

And it won’t more often than it will

[golden loom]

fair

[royal lantern]

rapid injection bonus dmg not worth it to use envenom at 2stacks up?

[balmy condor]

No clue, APL borked

[royal lantern]

or does it do 20% bonus dmg with 1stack up cus the new stack allready counts for it

oh, ok

gotcha

[balmy condor]

I mean technically it’s worth to do at 0.00001 sec remaining

Cause then you only waste 0.00001 uptime

[fleet pagoda]

[leaden garden]

so, i kinda goofed up with my embelishments. I have ascension on weap and +crit on belt, should i change the belt to nerubian increase or just leave be?

[balmy condor]

But there’s a point where it’s not worth

And idk where that is

[magic dust]

If spamming envenoms like a maniac only means a 0.2% loss i might turn my brain off for once and ignore this mess

[balmy condor]

That’s fine

[arctic socket]

I would change it

[steel ridge]

Just press w is my takeaway

[arctic socket]

Midmax

[leaden garden]

i trust whispyr, ty

[balmy condor]

Seems to be the rational move

Can’t wait for newest version of “if you do a triple backflip with a pint of beer and don’t spill a drop, while Venus is is retrograde and it’s a summer solstice, gain 0.1% dps”

I’m sure someone will cook it and it’ll end up in the tc thread and I’ll have to spend an hour and a half dissecting it just to come back and go “hey man, fucking why”

[vestal wren]

damn, only a regular not even a double backflip.

[arctic socket]

Hey Whispyr which one of the m+ build are you going to run? Cleave or hybrid?

[balmy condor]

Hybrid

Scent prio dam too strong

[paper cloak]

friends, how does your aoe rotation looks like on packs in m+ ? It feels like i am creating to less Caustic Splatters. Anyone can help?

[rain remnant]

With 11.0.5 do you think its worth going fatebound on Court mythic? Or will deathstalker pull ahead

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[arctic socket]

I could be completely mistaken but wouldn’t these changes make deathstalker even stronger?

[normal mist]

In high enough keys (8+) my caustic DMG is always in the top3, unless the other 2 DPS are absolute units and kill packs before I can caustic

[balmy condor]

Not really, no

[rain remnant]

Was thinking if they are kinda even that i just don’t have to think about my Mark and switch more freely

[calm grail]

IS this in addition to the buffs from the other week? Like Tuesday "New buffs"

[paper cloak]

so thats fine?

[normal mist]

Yes

That's great

[arctic socket]

Another question someone here might be able to help me with, on. Nw are yalll using mind numbing poison?

[balmy condor]

Sure

[arctic socket]

The tank I’m running with is asking me to swap to it on certain dungeons

Idk how much that does vs Dr poison

[vast loom]

It's usually considered a better poison i dungeons yeah

[royal lantern]

?

mindnumbing is more dr for the tank lol

atrophic is group dmg

for like

giga high keys

where the 3% actually can make the difference bettwen dying or staying alive with 2%

[clever sapphire]

i dont run either, i just let the world suffer

[arctic socket]

So mind numbing should be the go to? Idk sometimes he tells me to swap to astophic

[royal lantern]

for 99% of keys yes

[arctic socket]

I kinda just apply poisons and forget about it

[royal lantern]

the cast speed reduction alone helps in lower groups

[royal lantern]

lethal Dose dmg hello???

[clever sapphire]

run bleed build, apply deadly and slow poison, profit

im just memeing, my brain is fried from spamming gb

i swear i will run that dungeon with my eyes closed if this keeps up

[hollow talon]

Any predictions on what's flavor of the month class after 11.0.5

[clever sapphire]

mage

[vast loom]

its always mage

[clever sapphire]

can never go wrong with mage

[vestal wren]

enh probably

[clever sapphire]

if fuu says enh im filling my enh vault today, noted

[hollow talon]

Time to level shaman alt

Stonks

[marsh falcon]

o/

[spice surge]

Enjoy the -20% aura nerf thats surely coming

[hollow talon]

What race do we go

[vast loom]

wasnt ele sham doing like 20mil dps on 5targets and they just never fixed that

[hollow talon]

Dorf?

[orchid pewter]

Shaman is dwarf by default

[hollow talon]

Rip space goat

[orchid pewter]

I mean nothing wrong with that

[marsh falcon]

can anyone give advice on not being energy starved during long st fights

[clever sapphire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[clever sapphire]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[clever sapphire]

ye i meant the enrgy thing

[clever sapphire]

read the things moroes says about energy

[marsh falcon]

tyty

am running with 5% haste like most of the m+ peoples thought it might be too low for raid?

[clever sapphire]

to quote moroes "10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute"

[marsh falcon]

I do build combo points and wait for pool to 180-200 then I feel like i have to re apply gorrote and rupture and im back to square one

[clever sapphire]

so it doesnt change shite

[cloud yew]

Wax + whetstone or double whetstone

[marsh falcon]

for ref im parsing about 60 on the first 2 bosses of mythic raid

[eternal bramble]

I've mained enhance since BfA and now that the spec is probably at it's best I'm starting to gravitate away from it. Maybe I don't like the fotm feeling, dunno. I've been leveling my assa rogue alt for the last couple of days.

[steel ridge]

Dont think that has anything to do with haste

First boss is about how much you can pad on adds

[clever sapphire]

but assa is pretty close to fotm spec imo

[summer viper]

do we start playing vers flasks for example in 13s or 14s?

[marsh falcon]

I wonder if im clipping envenom and this is my problem

[eternal bramble]

True, they seem to blast. Guess I just wanna be a sneaky stabby boy for a while instead of a flashing lightning rod.

[clever sapphire]

parsing on first 2 bosses is just gonna be impossible imo

maybe not on 2nd

[arctic socket]

Second boss isn’t that hard

[clever sapphire]

but first is just a shitshow

[arctic socket]

First boss is yeah naw

[clever sapphire]

bench your frost dk and warrior

and you might have a chance

[arctic socket]

I try to press CT and then by the time it ticks maybe twice? The adds are dead 😭

The second boss seems like it’s not horrible

Though

[marsh falcon]

ive been mashing envenoms when possible, didn't know about clipping 😮

[long hawk]

i tend to build to enough cp to hit evenemom and wait till its about to run out before i press it when im low on energy, don't know if thats good but i try to maintain high evenom uptime

[arctic socket]

That’s basically what you do

When you need to pool

[marsh falcon]

But when your bursting are with caustic you shouldnt worry about clipping?

AOE*

[arctic socket]

Then sometimes I like to afk questions my life choices while I wait on energy before cds

[dim mural]

Pooling in this case is not that you play from a body of water

[arctic socket]

Wdym by clipping

[marsh falcon]

Overlapping envenom buff

[arctic socket]

In aoe you spam envenom there’s never a reason or a time where you’re staved with energy since you normally have 5+ targets with rupture / garrote

[molten echo]

The goal is to overlap, always, otherwise you’re losing 10% envenom dmg

[arctic socket]

Only reason why you wait sometimes in single target is because you can run out of energy so you “pool” “clip” to get more uptime

[golden loom]

on live envenom pandemics

[leaden raven]

im going to miss the envenom pandemic so much. I hate having to clip it and feel like im losing dps if i don't cast on 0.3s remaining

[waxen thunder]

So im confused about the envenom logic with the new ttk after watching the whispyr vid. Are we still slamming envenoms if we have two stacks, or do we wait for a stack to fall off for uptime

[manic forge]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but on low life adds that die quickly (like queen webs in the raid) are we best to crimson tempest and hope for a couple of ticks or just prep a 7cp spatter?

[leaden raven]

7cp splatter, there's a reason the reccomended build for queen doesn't run CT

[steel ridge]

Does it replace the oldest envenom stack every time?

[manic forge]

Fair point. And that the same in M+ when we do have CT but some add spawns die quickly, prio spatter?

[molten echo]

Depends if there are other mobs that will live longer in that pack

You’d CT

[thorn crater]

Ct isn’t like rupture though that’s 40 seconds what kind of keys are you doing that a 5cp ct would not finish its duration. Unless some retri or dk blows their cds?

[molten echo]

Cause the 20% additional dmg per target snapshots

[spice surge]

Conversely to what you might expect for adds that die really fast envenom does more damage to the adds and CT does more to main target (like the boss)

[thorn crater]

Huh

Interesting

[hot crystal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

Since CT is a dot, and no point applying a dot to targets that die within say 3 seconds

Whereas envenom spatter does all of its damage immediately

[thorn crater]

So on bosses like last in mists and GB definitely get a CT up is what you’re saying when the adds spawn

To increase boss dps

[molten echo]

I would yes

[spice surge]

Yes

[thorn crater]

I have been but I guess now I see the reason behind it too lol

Instinctually it felt better than just envenom lol

[leaden raven]

as long as there's atleast 1 prio target that will live long enough you're gonna want to get that big CT rolling. On the higher keys even the little stuff usually lives long enough to be worth it anyway.

[thorn crater]

Ye agreed it’s very hard to not have the ct run at least 70% of its time

[snow kindle]

how come arakara and mandate sim the same

yet other sources says mandate better

[glad rapids]

Other than completely ilvl stomping +8 delves, is there a certain spec we should be using to do them? Been trying as Sin and man is it rough

[spice spire]

Because different people have figgerent profiles

And eventually mandate should be better but it’s not a universal case

[spice spire]

It’s rough. Evasion and cloak a lot 🙂

[glad rapids]

Ah okay so it’s not just me 😅

[snow kindle]

idk im 630 ilvl and it sims like ass

[spice spire]

Piss chilling on a class I’m awful at playing (spriest)

[molten echo]

When low ilvl i just used brann as healer and tricks him, worked fine

[long hawk]

Sub is pretty good with the tricks bug

[spice spire]

So you’re not 639
Also what’s your other trinket

[long hawk]

You can tricks brann indefinitely with uhh whats that hero talent called?

[snow kindle]

arakara.

[glad rapids]

That’s basically just tricks brann for the hour and pray it works?

[snow kindle]

i can use transmitter or grace

[spice spire]

The other trinket that’s not

Ahh yeah

And we’re making sure mandate isn’t first right?

[long hawk]

It works its just Brann tends to kite a lot

[spice spire]

Because if it is, ur rawdogging the stat trinket

[long hawk]

And youll be moving a lot if you don't kill fst

[spice spire]

And that’s bad

[glad rapids]

Ah okay, thanks! I’ll check it out !

[stray adder]

the change to feint is so nice

[glad rapids]

I’m terrible at sub but I’ll give it a chance

[snow kindle]

well it says mandate trinket 1 buy my grace is in trinket 2 does that matter

[fathom cove]

regarding the upcoming Supercharger, does it work with finishers at 6/7 combo points? Is that finisher then treated as if cast with 8/9 CP?

[spice spire]

Yes

1 is used first

[fluid vessel]

u guys know what the up we will up for 11.5 ?

[snow kindle]

cringe

[spice spire]

So you’re rawdogging grace

Into nothing

[spice spire]

Pins

That could be the reason it’s a lot worse

[fluid vessel]

thanks

[spice spire]

Yessir glhf

Also I stopped mid thought to say pins

[snow kindle]

nah still a 2.1k dps loss evidently oh well

[sudden sigil]

How complex is assa to pull off in keys compared to other specs?
Might be a stupid question

[cursive flicker]

Ez

[soft scaffold]

!trick

[royal lantern]

difficulty is subjective always

and, well, you manage dots

[cursive flicker]

You hit ambush, you hit garrote 3 times, rupture 2-3 times, mutilate, fan of knives, crimson tempest, then just spam fok and envenom on your target with caustic on it. Might sound like a lot, but that’s really it, you spread your bleeds then hit your prio target and do big damage by default

[royal lantern]

cant let your bleeds drop or your resources run dry

[onyx gyro]

So we removing 2 buttons in our rotation SnD and ER?

[cursive flicker]

Yes

[royal lantern]

now do keys where stuff doesnt die in 15seconds

[onyx gyro]

Niven

Nice

[royal lantern]

cus like, the manual dot part is what most struggle with

[sudden sigil]

Not disagreeing but if everyone in here wrote its aesy, there can be a concensus that it is easy (Offcourse if the poeple who wrote easy, all have 1000+ hours on assa then its not valid for a new rogue) but rather just a question :>

[onyx gyro]

I wish you could set tab target to target certain mobs that done have you’re debuff on it

[normal kindle]

SHould i garrot different target ?

[sudden sigil]

Dope

[sudden sigil]

That would be amazing tbh

[cursive flicker]

You can but it’s not necessary. Technically if it’s a big pull, specifically more than 5, you should tab. BUT, the game auto spreads bleeds to targets without them already applied, so if you have 5 targets, 3 casts will apply bleeds to all enemy’s.

[royal lantern]

well, again, its dot/debuff managment

lower keys where stuff dies before that actually becomes a thing? yeh sure its easiert to pull of there, but the difficulty comes from managing that over a longer periode

[sudden sigil]

Wait it auto spreads? WHAT

[cursive flicker]

I dont think it’s worth it personally because it can sometimes be hard to require your death stalkers mark target.

[steel ridge]

oh no we are fotm

[fathom cove]

3?

[sudden sigil]

Yeah offcourse completly get it!
Used to play quite alot of boomy so dot management is integrated into my brain

[royal lantern]

he leaves the "from stealth" part out lol

and like, many other things

[sudden sigil]

Now i better understand else i was like wtf that was not real last time i played lul

[royal lantern]

[cunning notch]

Tbh i Think its a good question, im curious how complex it is compared to enhancement shaman

[royal lantern]

different playstyles

cant compare that

[snow kindle]

wouldnt say its complex theres just alot of management

[spring sigil]

When do you guys use deathmark on queen. At the start, during p2 and then during p3?

[cursive flicker]

I make it sound better than it is. If you have the “indiscriminate carnage” talent, then your bleeds (garrote and rupture” apply to 2 nearby enemies on top of your target, so 3 per cast. This only works when cast from stealth and for 6 seconds after stealth is broken

[spring sigil]

assuming it shouldn't be used on platform phase cause adds die too quick

[royal lantern]

hc?

[cursive flicker]

2 my b

[spring sigil]

ye

[sudden sigil]

I kinda disagree with you, you can compare them and give an ecxpression into rotational complexity, maangement, swaps etc. I agree with it might be hard to write down on a piece of paper, enhancement is 1.8 on "hard" and assa is 2.1.

But you can compare

[royal lantern]

ye i just send on CD on her tbh

which is pull->intermission->start p3

[spring sigil]

One comes up right before she jumps at the end of p1 i believe

but i'll wait till she's landed and maybe after first pull

[cunning notch]

Well still melee playstyle i guess u Can compare it a bit

[royal lantern]

not really cus 1 is a dot based slower spec about managment and holding stuff running, the other is a fast paced proc based spec

like

thats gigantic differences lol

[snow kindle]

2 in p1 kingsbane on platforms 2 on p3

[final star]

Piss chilling on a class I’m awful at playing (rogue)

[cursive flicker]

You TECHNICALLY should if it’s a big pull. For the vast majority of pulls just spamming on your prio target is perfectly fine, the game will smart spread the bleeds to any targets that don’t already have them.

[spice spire]

Shut the fuck up mister rogue of the 18th best guild in the world currently

[pseudo cosmos]

[sudden sigil]

So can we agree the one is perhaps more planning required alas a proactive gamestyle whereas enhancement might be rather reactive (I dont play enhance so forgive me for the statements). In this case you give an indication on the playstyles and maybe assa is not harder but the management part may require a better overview of the "battle" as compared to enhance

[spice spire]

Sure

But you can also just press buttons and be fine

Don’t think I’ve ever had a single thought in my life gonna keep it a buck w u

[sudden sigil]

You fucking made me laugh in the office jesus christ that was funny

[cunning notch]

I dont want to play a complex spec in keys lol. Coming from bdk, where im just chilling

[spice spire]

[cursive flicker]

This is exactly what I do. After first wrest I deathmark, and it’s back up for p3.

[spice spire]

Honestly. There’s a lot of 1-1 with this

You set up and then you chill for a bit

Bdk is the tank I “got” the best

[cunning notch]

I do like bdk, so i will keep it, already spent lots of Gold on it, and Got bis weapon, wont bury it yet, but might play my enhance a bit more

Maybe eventually start raiding on it

[spice spire]

Bdk is a vibe

[vast loom]

prot war is always my go to tank

[cunning notch]

It is, but no one is looking for tanks in raids, AND they are not as good as warriors in keys, which is my main focus

[spice spire]

You’re at the wrong time to look for a team

Toward the end of the tier

It’s a good time

But

It’s good to have a dps in the back pocket

[inland escarp]

Can’t go wrong having offspec dk dps tbh

Immortal ass class

[vast loom]

youll never catch me on a class with that little mobility lol

[inland escarp]

Who needs to move when you can just live

[odd tundra]

Anyone who tested the PTR can explain how the use of the tea turned out? Is it always automatic, or can you use it manually or turn off that option?

[normal kindle]

THanks for your reply cause i always do on my prio target 🙂 well i m not doing too bad with 1.4 to 1.7M dps overall in a key then

[vast loom]

if you dont care you can ignore it

[spice spire]

They have a ton of mobility now

[tired gull]

It's the same as it has been. You can still press it, but if you fall below the threshold, it will auto use

[spice spire]

It’s actually so depressing

[vast loom]

oh really?

[normal kindle]

so we remove SLice and DIce and Tea from our Spell Bar ?

[vast loom]

SnD and ER yeah ill keep my tea KB for now

[final star]

I got benched cos I'm bad, so what now

[snow kindle]

rogues kinda have the worst mobility ngl

[spice spire]

False bestie

[spice spire]

Priests exist

[snow kindle]

in melee i mean

[vast loom]

i wish i had something to run out with more tbh

[opaque sigil]

proper wheelchair class

[snow kindle]

rets arent a wheelchair anymore they basically have sprint every 45s

[vast loom]

on ovinax if i didnt have sprint up and got webs

[tired gull]

♿

[vast loom]

i just kinda held W

and waddled out

[final star]

we have good mobility

[opaque sigil]

it just feels weird atm: classes getting rework and are getting proper power creep options

[final star]

except to get out of somewhere with a 75% slow or w/e it is

that is the only situation it's bad and it's that boss

[spice spire]

Wait you weren’t on the queen kill wtf

[opaque sigil]

and rogues are stuck to rotating old abilities

[final star]

No, I told u I'm bad

[vast loom]

i still gapped most of our raid on boss dmgh

[final star]

7/8 gaming

[vast loom]

so its w/e

[spice spire]

I assume ur in for reclear

[final star]

yeah probably, idk when we kill queen next

[spice spire]

Were you playing sub

[final star]

the boss is stupid as fuck to plan for

[spice spire]

Yeah even for us

It’s uh

[final star]

I was but this was before the queen nerfs

[spice spire]

Yeah

[opaque sigil]

wish sprint was much lower cd and had knockback protection as a talent or something

[spice spire]

Yeah i’d bench u 2

[vernal snow]

What's the difference? U cover more mobs with less rupture button pressing?

[spice spire]

Respect that tho

Never turn ur back on your spec bud

[final star]

me, playing assa now, instantly turning my back on my spec

[spice spire]

FUCK

[spice surge]

I really dont want to go gnome, silly blizzard for making roots like that

[spring sigil]

I actually don't understand why I was doing my damage to bosses at 618 itlvl compared to 626

[spice surge]

[spring sigil]

Make it make sense xD

[spice surge]

[vast loom]

i gnome that good on queen?

[opaque sigil]

How are we looking forward to feint off gcd?
Single best change in patch

[spice surge]

Idk seems completely irrelevant to me

[spice spire]

Insta root break

[spice surge]

It still costs energy, which is the main drawback

[spice spire]

It’s nice

[spice surge]

[royal lantern]

huh?

it changes nothing

some very minor QoL at best

[spice spire]

It’s just not capped by you muting before

So you can’t hit the cast

[vast loom]

ill actually feint that mechanic i forgot to feint now lol

[spice spire]

My greedy ass has huge QoL

[final star]

just a cute lil pigtailed girl now

[pseudo cosmos]

Ew

[tired gull]

can i borrow your ilvl please

[spice spire]

You did the race change and all

[fleet pagoda]

might even cause people to greed damage and not have energy for feint when they need it

[spice spire]

No way

[pseudo cosmos]

Human or nah

[vast loom]

i kinda wanna go dractyhr

[final star]

gnome OP for queen

[spice spire]

636 mh is criminal

[royal lantern]

i kinda doubt that many people where dumb enough to not pre-cast feint but now suddenly feint everything perfect

[spice spire]

That sucks

[spice spire]

I’m him

[final star]

it dropped in the reclear I was benched last week

in fact

[pseudo cosmos]

Not race changing for queen

[final star]

both raid daggers dropped

[spice spire]

No rogues in chat

All de

Incredible

[final star]

crazy

I was fine with being benched and everything

cos it was the right decision for sure

that dagger dropping with no one to use it was a bit tilting though

[spice spire]

Nah I’m gonna flame daps for this one

[final star]

what he done wth

[spice spire]

Idk but it feels right

[tired gull]

i wish there was a way to play the game, where i just log into the game to raid, and don't have to do any chores, and still be like top 100 world

[spice surge]

What chores do you have lmao

[tired gull]

getting gear to actually do the raid

[vast loom]

my guild is currently on kyveza we might kill it tonight but im benched cuz our other rogue is better 😦 and theres not enough melee spots lol

[spice surge]

Idk theres no stuff that you need to do outside of raid now

M+ is good to do but not absolutely mandatory

[tired gull]

so how do you get in a raid team/guild at the start of the expansion if you just want to log in at max level and do raid?

[vast loom]

you gotta put work in at some point

[tired gull]

that's what the raid is 🙂

[viscid spear]

[spice surge]

Find a group of likeminded people

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-michael-scott-jim-halpert-gif-27622036

Same.

[vast loom]

1 of our tanks has done less than 40 keys this tier

hes still the highest ilvl lol

[tired gull]

40 keys is still 40 keys too many

[vast loom]

but thats mostly cuz our plate drops have been kinda wack

[spice surge]

But idk to me its wild to complain about chores right now when theres none

[tired gull]

i've done like 5 keys

[tulip fern]

Be that guy that always does max damage and never fails anything ever. Then you might have a chance

[spare spoke]

anyone know if any BRD gear will be competitive to similar ilvl gear?

[tired gull]

chores at the beginning of the tier

[tulip fern]

But you’ll be capped on guilds that want you because maximising ilvl is important for the first few weeks

[spice surge]

Well ye its just regular items

The daggers seems atrocious though

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah you have to be the best in the guild, it’s annoying when someone who isn’t carrying puts in zero work

Pretty bad look

[versed dust]

Hey all, does anyoen know what is that fills up my combo points when I rupture into a group of mobs? I mean rupture hits 3 targets with Indiscriminate Carnage but it doesn't generate CPs, so what is it? Serrated Bone Spikes?

[vast loom]

hes only a bit better lol hes been 1tricking sin tho for too long

[spare spoke]

yeh i guess im asking if those procs on the weps or trinkets have any real value

[spice surge]

Not really

[vast loom]

bone spike

[versed dust]

aahh ok got it

[timber meadow]

2nd boss of city is actually fucked how hard it hits rogue

you just end up out of all defensives like halfway through the figth on a 14

[tired gull]

are keys fun when you have an organized group?

[tacit charm]

If you enjoy playing with them yes

[vast loom]

i dont think keys are that unfun until were late in a tier and i feel like i need them for vault

[timber meadow]

personally i just enjoy them regardless but yeah

[vast loom]

cant get mythic skardyrs without it lol

[tired gull]

had an 8 dawnbreaker that i did with guild.. healer couldn't keep us alive on last boss

[marsh grail]

[tired gull]

so yeah, i hate keys

[snow kindle]

the only time i fail keys with guild grps is ppl woh also dont like doing keys ever in general.

[coral ibex]

yea makes sense

[marsh falcon]

Do you press feint?

[coral ibex]

one key

[tired gull]

of course i press feint

[spare spoke]

if he can keep you alive on second boss he can keep you alive on third boss i think. prob some mistakes in there

[vast loom]

doing keys makes you better in raid

[normal mist]

I realized I somewhat enjoy doing keys if it's with friends

[vast loom]

to a point

[coral ibex]

how many bombs did you do

or did you sit there hitting a mostly invulnerable boss

[tired gull]

?? all bombs?

[spare spoke]

well now you've thrown all your answers into question

you were doing good before that

[coral ibex]

so you did all of them while your team just sat around? lol

are you sure about that

[tired gull]

we, as a group, did all bombs

[marsh falcon]

P sure I could keep myself alive on the first phase of the last boss on an 8

[tired gull]

yeah, that's fine

but there's 4 other people in the group that have to stay alive

can't solo the boss

[marsh falcon]

This is true

[tired gull]

when you look at logs and the only healing received by 2 or 3 people is healing rain over the last 10 seconds... kinda sucks

[marsh falcon]

Can't see how you have played obviously so don't get offended by asking if you are using defensive to help

You be surprised how many rogues dont

[tired gull]

that's true

only time rogue hasn't been my main was in Legion

[marsh falcon]

Watched hat interview with a top mistweaver and he specifically called out rogues who feint pre damage events

[brave comet]

are the changes tomorrow buffs or nerfs for rogue

[fathom cove]

? as opposed to what alternative? after the events? :D

[marsh falcon]

Lol ye

Or not at all

[tired gull]

i could see him meaning like... feinting halfway through a long event, missing a portion of it

vs covering it all

[marsh falcon]

Exactly

[tired gull]

(or not at all )

[marsh falcon]

I've only started doing 11's and it's become such an important part of the play

[versed dust]

I don't get it tho, the tooltip says that rupture injects a bone spike in it's targets. So, on my first rupture it applies on 3 targets = 3 cps. Where do I get the other 4 from? Is it Seal Fate? Because it crits?

[tired gull]

it adds 1 cp for each bone spike already active

so 1, then 2, then 3

[versed dust]

yeah but I have none at my first rupture

[tired gull]

applying it gives you 1

[final star]

I'm kind of a key freak for sure

[tired gull]

jealous

[fathom cove]

if your rupture spreads with IC, then you do have some

[versed dust]

yes, I get that. But when I first rupture I get insta 7 cps

[vast loom]

IC makes you hit 3 targets with rup

[steep dome]

our rogue got benched for silken court and he's not coping very well. What can we do to ease his suffering?

[vast loom]

and if you have 3 stacks of bone spike you get 1 + 2 + 3 points i believe is the math

[tired gull]

yeah sometimes i get 6, sometimes 7, idk where the extra one comes from

[versed dust]

yes, and that's 3 cps (3 bone spikes). I get 7 instantly with my first rupture

[slim pebble]

FREE MY BOY

[vast loom]

give him head pats and snuggles

[normal mist]

Check the pins

[tired gull]

no, it's 1+2+3, which is 6, i sometimes get 7 too

[fathom cove]

read the explanation again. you get more than 3

[versed dust]

why this then? It says only that gives 1 cp for every active. So when you first rupture you apply 3 spikes

[tired gull]

awards 1, plus 1

[versed dust]

rupture spends a stack: hitting 3 enemies = 3 stacks spended = 3 cps

[tired gull]

so first SBS gives you 1, seconds gives you 2, third gives you 3

1 + 2 + 3 = 6

[vast loom]

they dont apply exactly at the same time

[versed dust]

yes but there are none when I first rupture

[vast loom]

it goes in order

1 + 2 + 3 + seal fate

[versed dust]

oh than it makes sense

if they don't apply at the same time

then yes, 1 + 2 + 3 = 6 (+ seal fate crit)

[tired gull]

i didn't even realize sealfate could proc there... that makes sense

[versed dust]

ok, thank you. I was missing the "not at the same time" part, bc it's not in the tooltip

[fathom cove]

nothing in programming actually happens "at the same time"

its all sequential

[vast loom]

they could code it to only give 3 in that situation but then the talent is pretty bad

[versed dust]

I'm sorry I'm not very expert in programming, I just have this fucking ocd that I need to understand every little detail of what I'm doing

thank you for the explanation

[tired gull]

i mean technically with multithreading... but can you imagine trying to orchestrate exact simultaneous timings 😬

[vast loom]

np, its good to undetstand whats actually happening

[sweet cave]

I can understand the havoc opener which is much longer then sin but idk something about sin doesnt click with me yet granted I havent played it much

[tired gull]

it took a bit for me to understand the opener too, once you do it a few times it becomes second nature

[stark kraken]

you have a lot of time to practice it in raid

[fallow marsh]

So for 11.05 single target it’s essentially twist the knife good and pooling goes away? Oversimplified but trying to get the gist

[normal mist]

Yesn't

[sweet cave]

I think whats nice about havoc is same opener for the most part with aoe and st

[normal mist]

More apm, more envenom DMG / spam, pooling still exists to a certain degree

[vast loom]

i think about it in stages

[tired gull]

imagine if KB was still double stacks what it currently is with TTK

[vast loom]

you got the setup with ambush (setups up DN) garrote rupture snd (DoT setup) build to envenom (setup envenom for cds) then DM shiv Kb (Cds)

[spice spire]

I simply have decided not to think

And spam and let Jesus take the wheel on my dam

[sweet cave]

I mean at some point it aint thinking lol some operners are so do this everytime you get it muscle memory

[vast loom]

im gonna spend a few hours trying to make a envenom WA that makes sense to me with TTK

[magic fossil]

same way, apply mark, dots, build for burst, go from there

much easier to break it down in ur mind

[hollow stone]

all the same rough rules apply; maintain dots, dont over cap energy, dont over cap CPs

[violet bay]

Anyone know the spellid to track envenom on plater? Tweaking some stuff

[sweet cave]

is that a talent I have spellid addon

[hollow stone]

As long as all thats good, slam that env button (simplified)

[vast loom]

envenom is a buff on you not the target

[violet bay]

Just learning pooling better , im pretty sure i press my buttons way to fast and run out of energh

[sweet cave]

that why I was confused lol

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[violet bay]

Tyvm sir