assassination

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[zenith cedar]

What's the verdict? Do we just never want to go under 30 energy? or is the auto-proc kind of ok?

[balmy condor]

sim avoids going under 30 but it's 0.2%

so

who cares

[zenith cedar]

Gotcha, pretty minor

I can forsee griefing a CD window if you repeateadly auto proc thistle right before CDs come up

but maybe in practice that doesnt line up like that

[vagrant brook]

pretty sure you would only go under 30 energy during the kingsbane w/o DM

[torpid prairie]

Thanks for the help. Keeping track of all this while playing in melee range is way harder than my good old warlock.

[tacit mauve]

So its not worth using shiv in aoe? I thought it helped for more caustic dmg

[last vessel]

in the pinned message why would you spend energy if you are above 40% when spec'd into sanguine blades. Isn't this actively avoiding the talent?

[balmy condor]

it does not

[balmy condor]

yes that's the point

[last vessel]

feels like the best way to actively avoid the talent is to not take it then

[velvet nacelle]

ugh, just got back from a vacation and so much to catch up on for changes

[balmy condor]

I mean, you can

[velvet nacelle]

@balmy condor thanks for the write up; let me know where to send those monster ultras 😛

[balmy condor]

internal bleeding and sanguine are basically equal

[balmy condor]

my pleasure :)

[vagrant brook]

what is the talent you hate the most and why is it sanguine blades whispyr

[balmy condor]

I actually love sanguine blades

it's just a bit scuffed tuning wise

[velvet nacelle]

the only monster that doesn't leave a weird aftertaste in my mouth is one of the fruit punches, i forget which, but it's got like 900g of sugar per can i swear

[balmy condor]

talent I hate most is an interesting question though

I think with current tree, it should be systemic failure

[velvet nacelle]

i guess i was hoping the changes would be better, though after all these years i should know better

[wispy epoch]

oh...

[balmy condor]

changes are good

[velvet nacelle]

oh i just realized how i misunderstood supercharged, it's not super charging combo points like before, it's doing a +2 on the finisher itself

that's neat

[rotund oak]

what are the odds u played in stormscale grammerpolice?

nvm its N.A

and u arent glad xped

[zenith cedar]

I didn't. This was my rogue in classics name and I just took it frm there

[slim pebble]

I haven't gotten into a single key this weekend

RIP

[hollow talon]

Everytime I make my own +12 it gets inted and no one will invite me to a 12

Time to play league of legends

[blazing pumice]

invite better players

[errant elbow]

Did you finish your wowhead update?

[blazing pumice]

🙂

[zenith cedar]

If I may, I recommend being giga selective about who you invite

[slim pebble]

I have an 11 Mists that I can't get to fill and have been denied to 50 10+ keys so far

[hollow talon]

My 11s and 10s always fill

[balmy condor]

ye

[hollow talon]

And usually 1/2 chedt

Chest*

[slim pebble]

Im prolly just washed dog

[hollow talon]

But my 12s always get the depleto patronum

[zenith cedar]

12s are quite a bit harder than 11s

[rotund oak]

its probably the highest key lvl for pugging,im trying 12s on my mage and its completely disgusting how the keys are bricked every single time

[hollow talon]

It's hard in pugs

One bad pull is a depleto most of the time

[rotund oak]

think its a number most pugs wont handle even with communication and all

for stops

[hollow talon]

Or if one DPS is doing like 500k less

[rotund oak]

its just hard

its not always about dps it depends

u need stops

stuff hurts

[wispy epoch]

best way to do high keys is build your own group up from like

10 farms to above

[coral ibex]

why are you pugging above 10 is the question

[rotund oak]

yup

[balmy condor]

m+ brainrot

[coral ibex]

find a team

[rotund oak]

i just losing my sanity with mfkrs playing gods in keys

[coral ibex]

i like m+ as much as the next guy

[hollow talon]

How find team

[rotund oak]

add ppl and play with them

[coral ibex]

do m+, have good key, add teammates

repeat

[zenith cedar]

13 is just about the limit of what you can pug right now and basically everyone queuing into those is a past title-level player

[hollow talon]

Might have to give that a try

[slim pebble]

I haven't had a dedicated team for the last 2 expansions so its my only option

[rotund oak]

highly doubt its achievable with pugs but could be for couple of keys

[zenith cedar]

unironically this is it

[zenith cedar]

mists, arak, dawn all very puggable

[vital flicker]

How good is evoker rogue going to be?

Dracthyr rogue

[rotund oak]

mists ye,ive got questions for dawn

[vital flicker]

All dragons are evokers to me now

[rotund oak]

arak sure

[slim pebble]

Im gonna glide fast as shit while I play denial simulator

[zenith cedar]

Dawn is easier than Arakara at 12-13 in my experience thusfar

Some BS always goes wrong in Arakara

[coral ibex]

are you in a guild?

does nobody in your guild wanna do m+

the question how do i find an m+ team is basically how do i find new friends

and the answer is talk to strangers

unfortunately

[zenith cedar]

By running alot of keys, not just the keys you need for score, and being friendly/fun to play with you can build a big friendslist of people who are at your skill level and then when you go into queue/post your key you already have 2-3 people inyour group who you can trust to not suck

[rotund oak]

It doesnt rly worth to pug m+ rn

[zenith cedar]

and guess what, sometimes, they will still suck. Everybody plays bad / has a bad key

[rotund oak]

least above 10s

[coral ibex]

yea i wouldnt pug over 10 its just asking to experience CBT

[rotund oak]

challengers peril is a no

simple as that

and the fact that although fort and tyr are both nerfed

both exist in a 10

so u know whats gonna happen with wannabes 😉

[past panther]

just compare the racials

[dapper pumice]

Speaking of pugs, I just did a 7 with a unholy DK who did 300k dps across all 3 bosses in dawn lol

Mid level keys are a fucking nightmare right now

Sooo much better a couple weeks ago

I should have made my rogue then

[blazing pumice]

there's not really a lot of reason to run 7s

[dapper pumice]

Lot of alts right now

[blazing pumice]

yer but you do an 8 and you get gildeds

[dapper pumice]

Yeah but at 610, ain’t nobody inviting me haha

Even as KSH alt

[waxen oyster]

i mean 610 isnt high

[errant mauve]

Champ poison ring from queen won’t be replaced by anything else except higher tier poison ring from queen will it

[waxen oyster]

it might lose to a 636 ring

or narrowly beat it

likely depends how much crit you have etc

[errant mauve]

Oof rough times

[waxen oyster]

its like 1% damage for free

nothing insane

[wild birch]

Free 1% is free 1%

[errant mauve]

Yea, there’s no chance it can drop in vault is there

[waxen oyster]

yes its basically a 619 ring with a free 1% damage proc

so highly depends on your gear

raid vault can have any boss you've killed

on that difficulty

[wild birch]

For me 626 one sims better than any 639 ring (with my gear)

obv except the seal at 639

[wispy epoch]

this ring makes my crit stat weight scream

literally made me have to move my enchants to mastery procs

[waxen oyster]

well yeah

That's what happens when a ring's stat budget is like 80% crit

[dapper pumice]

yeah yeah, my point is its really low which is why im forced to do 7s 😦

[coral ibex]

stat weights dont matter

[waxen oyster]

unless you're dh

then you stack crit to the moon

nice spec

[waxen oyster]

delve enjoyer

[torn shadow]

I feel ya, 618 with 2400 IO and I struggle to get accepted into 7s

[mystic osprey]

As sin rogue?

[torn shadow]

Yeah

[errant mauve]

Say I miss the second shiv window in half of my kingsbanes over 5ninute fight roughly how much of a dps loss is that

[mystic osprey]

thats cooked

maybe too low ilvl for puigs idk

[errant mauve]

-30% of half of the over all kings babe dmg?

[mystic osprey]

sim it

[torn shadow]

Yeah I’ve been forced to essentially bribe the guild groups to let me join their groups haha

[mystic osprey]

its not muich nicer as outalw

[errant mauve]

Or more probably cause of the arterial talent cap stone

[torpid temple]

Run your own key

[errant mauve]

Everyone struggles to get into a pug as dps not just rogues

[wispy epoch]

gotta have that 626 ilvl

[errant mauve]

I’m shy of 2600 and 625ilvl and it still takes me forever to get into a pug

[torpid temple]

Not for a 7

[dim yacht]

that doesnt change. im near 3k, 629

still struggling

[wispy epoch]

you're trying to find 14s!!!

[torpid temple]

Lol yeah

Big difference

[dim yacht]

nope, 13s

but my point is it never changes

[wispy epoch]

13s!!!

[dim yacht]

when i was progging 11s, i couldnt find groups

12s, couldnt find groups...it just doesnt change

[errant mauve]

Never will

[torpid temple]

But it did. You can get into 11s now

[errant mauve]

Been like that since M+ came into existence

[wispy epoch]

i get accepted pretty quick to 8-10s. But most dps that are chosen for those are DKs and uhhh...

[torn shadow]

Oh I didn’t think it was a rogue only thing, was just saying I understand the struggle

[slim pebble]

I may never step foot in there again

[slate crown]

grats!

[dim yacht]

huge

[slim pebble]

Some stuff in there jsut hurts so badly

lol

[hollow talon]

I got my boots from there today

We ain't going back

[quaint dock]

How good is Power infusion for Ass?

[blazing pumice]

good but not bis

[rotund sail]

omg!

[errant mauve]

Are the changes coming this Tuesday any good for sin? I know they make sub a wet noodle

[sacred schooner]

check pins 🙂

[snow juniper]

why am seeing rogues in PoVs running 3 poisons not all 4

[drowsy hatch]

Are they skipping crippling?

[compact crown]

how does one "make" sub a wet noodle

when it's already doing tank dps half the pulls in a key lmfao

[snow juniper]

op

yup lili

nvm

[dire sphinx]

Is 1.1 mil sim (735k vs dummy) low for 618 ilvl?

[balmy condor]

nah that seems reasonable

[mint valve]

Is treacherous transmitter better than skardyns grace?

As your on use?

[balmy condor]

bout equal but harder to play

[dire sphinx]

damn, how are other rogues in raid pumping out 1.2 mil sustained at the same ilvl

[dapper pumice]

rockin a 593neck right now loll, thoughts on using a spark to craft one? i have 3 left

[cunning cloak]

What else do you plan to craft? If you already have your embellish pieces, why not craft it, you have 3 sparks

[dapper pumice]

yeah thats what im thinking

dont really have anything else i ened to craft

*need

will still have enough for a nother weapon unless i get unlucky too

*if i get unlucky

[cunning cloak]

Then send it, probably be last piece to upgrade with crests vs any other gear, cause no agi

[dapper pumice]

makes sense

[cunning cloak]

And if you get a better neck to drop off a run or vault, no big deal cause you're gonna keep getting sparks

[dapper pumice]

yeah

convinced

ty

lol

and i should def go crit/mast right

[cunning cloak]

Sim, but those are good stats

Just depends on your other gear and stats

[dapper pumice]

yeah gonna throw it in with my ideal gear and see whats what

ty

[grave osprey]

“The speed of assa is going way up in 10.0.5” does this mean or energy regen is higher therefore higher APM? 🤔

[balmy condor]

yes

[grave osprey]

Oh! Thats pretty cool! Looking forward to the changes and never having to press SnD again 🎉

[dapper pumice]

oh great, my wrists

[grave osprey]

Im sure it wont be nearly as bad as outlaw 🤣

[dapper pumice]

is outlaw basically like leather fury

[cunning cloak]

Dont the pirates have like .8 gcd or something like that?

[grave osprey]

Yes except you still have much higher apm

[dapper pumice]

i always end up healing towards the end of every xpac cause my wrists cant take it lol

[grave osprey]

Outlaw is the only spec ive ever played where i legit need breaks lol 😆

I find assa much more enjoyable and about half the APM, so win win.

[zenith cedar]

What is making it go up in speed?

With Alchemy Stone 636 being around 10k better than the next 626 option for passive slot on my sims, it seems like crafting it rn for the 633 trinket free-upgrades is an easy choice

Long term I save crests, I get upgrade rn, I get to send my skardyns to 626 for free yipeee

[round perch]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

@zenith cedar resim yourself on latest

tell me if it's fixed

[mint valve]

Does elemental focusing lens still work if you have no sockets?

[balmy condor]

no

it needs a gem to proc

[keen elk]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[zenith cedar]

Looks good ya

[balmy condor]

cool

[tidal lily]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[torpid linden]

so w/ ttk we wanna maintain envenom buff even outside of kb/dm?

[balmy condor]

same as now, yes

[wise gull]

I've seen 3 gale of shadows tonight

Where's my trinket?

[torpid linden]

do u think its worth making a WA for envenom buff or just press buttons

[balmy condor]

yes

of course

[torpid linden]

I guess it can replace my snd wa..

[balmy condor]

what have you been doing all expac

[torpid linden]

I just came back a week ago

[balmy condor]

oh ok

[torpid linden]

me relearning game

[balmy condor]

yeah clipping envenom is kinda a core rotational concept for the spec

not tracking it is wild

[torpid linden]

clipping envenom meaning what

[zenith cedar]

do yourself a favor and download one of the handful of fantastic weak aura packs

[torpid linden]

oh

[balmy condor]

envenoming while it's around 1s remaining

[torpid linden]

okay I understand now

[alpine oracle]

big question, for gems do i use all colors?? or just mastery crit?

[balmy condor]

whatever sims highest

[zenith cedar]

It's a minor difference, sim it. You are probably safe running 3 colors,
Mastery + Crit
Crit + Mastery
Haste + Mastery

Thats gonna be either the best or within like 0.1% of the other best option basically guaranteed

[alpine oracle]

do i need to check that checkbox? or no needed?

[balmy condor]

do me a favor and never sim a stam gem again

other than that looks good

[alpine oracle]

what do you mean? do I unselect the primary gem?

ahhhhhhhh

stamina one

[alpine oracle]

lol

[balmy condor]

this shit

is utter garbage

[vast nebula]

I am curious about this too

[balmy condor]

which poison are they dropping

[bronze flicker]

prob crippling

[jaunty dew]

@balmy condor I'm in pain, a month into the season and no grim batol trinket T_T

[runic hinge]

I’m not even sure the agi gem is worth having

[balmy condor]

I don't have it either

[vast nebula]

Join the club lol

[balmy condor]

it's like almost +0.2%

very impressive gem

[runic hinge]

I keep aiming and including it and it prefers verse master y

Instead

[balmy condor]

happens

[torpid linden]

I'm getting that trinket in my vault this tuesday

[runic hinge]

Like the agi ain’t even worth it

[jaunty dew]

At least I got HC Ansurek ring

So can't complain too much

[runic hinge]

And you got people like should I have a stam gem. And the sim says

Hey it’s -.3

If all your gems aren’t verse mastery

Fatebound is like -8%

It’s disgusting

I’m never doing a dungeon again

I’m gonna be so hung over for raid tomorrow

I’m gonna look like Kyle

[wise gull]

POV: You can't escape Grim Batol

[loud nest]

Oh no

Not the Skardy G grind

its cursed for you brother

[dapper pumice]

is caustic splatter supposed to be my #1 in m+? from sims and looking at logs it seems so

[wise gull]

Run 50 seems like a lucky number though

Surely it drops this time

[loud nest]

It will always be the nest run ❤️ trust

[wise gull]

3 gales today

Happy for them

[serene solar]

That is so bad. I got mine in 7 runs, got another to give to a hunter in 6-7 more

[hot fulcrum]

Got my in 3rd run. Have no ideas what do you feel guys with such amount of runs 😦 (but I know tbf, never saw branch trinket from EB)

[wise gull]

This is the most I've ever had to run something

Next would be like 30 plaguefalls or something

[median bane]

Does Clear the witnesses mean that u wanna use Fan of Knives after applying deathstalker? Even on pure ST ?

[pliant remnant]

I got a WUE Skardyn's in my first GB of the season

[balmy condor]

yep

[pliant remnant]

46 runs later, I have yet to see it drop once for anybody

[balmy condor]

if you aren't running vicious venoms

[wise gull]

Saw one drop last night for a stinky feral

[median bane]

ty for answer 😄

[wise gull]

If I get a WUE skardyns I will actually cry

knowing my luck I will

[pallid bough]

What’s the logic behind this? I assuming because of energy cost differences between mut and fok?

[balmy condor]

what

vicious venoms makes mut do big dam

if mut big dam

fok not good enough

[pallid bough]

Ya but you said if you aren’t running

[balmy condor]

yah

if you aren't running

mut no do big dam

and clear the witnesses do big dam

so fok good enough

[pallid bough]

Ye

That’s what I meant

Sorry should I

Clarified more

[balmy condor]

okay so whats the question

[pallid bough]

I meant why FoK with clear the witnesses with no VV mut

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah damage

[pallid bough]

And asked if the logic was less energy cost

Ah

Kk

So ur telling me I have been trolling

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think it matters that much

[winged sun]

guys

[balmy condor]

I mean if you haven't been foking its like 0.3%

[winged sun]

crimson tempest is 5+ cp too?

[pallid bough]

I am madge

My 0.3%

Madge

Surely Envenom 2nd stack (twist the knife) being removed gets fixed right?

Before Tuesday

[balmy condor]

whats that mean

[pallid bough]

Didn’t we talk about this

And you explained

That the stack is being removed on next ability because the previous stack before the 2nd one on Envenom gets removed

This

[cobalt sphinx]

is that just a timing thing

it looks like he explained it

[pallid bough]

Oh

[balmy condor]

that's just how it works is it not

[pallid bough]

Is it like

The previous duration of Envenom expired and updated the stack?

[balmy condor]

yes

[pallid bough]

Okay

Huh

[balmy condor]

do you know how iron fur works?

[pallid bough]

Nah

Don’t play Druid

[balmy condor]

figures

[pallid bough]

wtf!

You think my dumbass can play more than 2 classes

[desert cove]

whispyr for ovinax next week should I just run the ST build, swap IB for caustic, drop master assassin for CT?

[pallid bough]

[desert cove]

from the pins I mean

or is it too early to tell

[balmy condor]

builds on wowhead will be updated idk

whatever I put on there

[runic hinge]

It’s dynamic

[covert creek]

Whispyr,
with your WA pack whenever I'm alrdy under 7s of rupture remaining and it starts glowing to refresh it:
Why the glow fades if I get to 7cp ?
Is it better to 7cp an envenom there and let rupture drop for 1-2s?

<outside of cds>

[balmy condor]

probably forgot to set up a 7cp pandemic glow

I haven't noticed

[covert creek]

Thanks, I thought its intentional

[winged sun]

wdym dynamic

like u can press it at 3-4 cp and its fine or

[runic hinge]

I mean if there’s 5 targets and you hit it and 3 die it still did the same bonus damage

Make sense?

[winged sun]

no

[runic hinge]

It’s the same Ap for 2 or 7

[winged sun]

o i see ok

[runic hinge]

But

If you hit it when brood and 5 parasites are alive. It will hit brood for the same damage whole duration

Honestly tho you should play OL on brood you’re too good not to

Tell your guild

[winged sun]

im in the army cuh

i only play friday/saturday

no guild

[balmy condor]

all finishers are 5+ zeross

[runic hinge]

And all finishers scale the same

[winged sun]

[runic hinge]

It’s just duration. It’s not damage

Also not all mice are rats

[winged sun]

how does everyone know that story

[runic hinge]

Like not all ducks are geese

[winged sun]

[runic hinge]

I was here so

I’m not everyone

I’m just degen

Listen

[winged sun]

i still have so many questions

[runic hinge]

Not all deer turn into moose

Where do you live

Come to me in Maine and I will show you a lot of deer and moose

It’ll be cool

I have spare bedroom

[winged sun]

i'll be busy pushing m+

[runic hinge]

Okay well

One day

Just come to America

It’s very pretty up here

[winged sun]

i did some lil keys

[runic hinge]

Maine is like top tier

Place in world

Probably top 5

[winged sun]

top 5

[runic hinge]

Umm

That place in Ireland

Black clifs

Great Wall for sure

Pyramids

Grand Canyon/the cool places in Arizona

And then my unbiased opinion Acadia national park

Which maybe that’s too many in America but Acadia is like top 10 on most lists and I’m biased cause I live an hour away

[winged sun]

i'd probably travel to switzerland at some point

thats one of the places i'd like to go later on

[runic hinge]

Yeah that’s cool but not like super top ten list

[winged sun]

i'll invest alot of time into wow once im free tho

need to take advantage of assa being op

[runic hinge]

Listen just hit me up I can get you to Acadia in 45 and I have a lot of fronds

It’s gorgeous

Probably not like 2900 io but

You can see the first sunrise in America and also go to a place called thunder hole which is really amazing same day

[smoky ledge]

Yo i got a questions to all the assa rogues, im currently using [Treacherous Transmitter] but just dropped [Skardyn's Grace]. It seems like its BIS but the sim says otherwise, anyone got a clue?

[wintry quarry]

hello im new here i have lot of question but i can start with basic i am 606ilvl and my single target dmg is not over 400k what is the main mistake

[smoky ledge]

you can write me if you want :D imma help ya if you need

[normal mist]

You can just write down your questions and people will surely help you

[normal mist]

Skardyns is easier to use and no cringe mechanics attached to it

[sharp viper]

they are apparently almost equal in sims but as royal said, the skardyns has the benefit of being easier to use

macro skardyns to deathmark and forget

[smoky ledge]

aaah ok thought so, thanks for clarifying

[brittle quail]

even if transmiter is 0.5% ahead (idk) this is bis

[normal mist]

i was using serum THIS WHOLE TIME

and boy oh boy, when i got my skardyns, my QoL changed

[uneven marsh]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[runic hinge]

Dude serum is like ten times worse than transmitter

[pliant remnant]

Serum?

More like

if you se it, run from it

...

[wise gull]

alright 50 grim batols down

time for another 50

[balmy condor]

based

[dapper pumice]

anyone know off the top of their head about the % increase 4set piece gives?

[balmy condor]

I'm on 44 atm

[balmy condor]

in what content

[dapper pumice]

dmg sry

[balmy condor]

yes

but what content

[dapper pumice]

OH

lol

[wise gull]

you're gonna get it on 53

[dapper pumice]

uhhh m+

[wise gull]

can feel it in my bones

[balmy condor]

like 4%

[dapper pumice]

word

[obtuse robin]

do i use fok on 2t

[balmy condor]

you're telling me 10 more runs?

[balmy condor]

if you're talented into CT yeh

[dapper pumice]

not gonna waste my currency turning a champion into tier set for 4pc then

just gonna be patient

[shell quail]

So wowhead build for Queen suggests no Shrouded Suffocation - do I then omit casting vanish + garrote as part of the DM+Kingsbane opener rotation? Or am I missing something?\

[balmy condor]

does it have improved garrote

[shell quail]

Naw

[balmy condor]

then you don't vanish

[shell quail]

a'ite cooll TY

[mental plume]

anyone know if ovi'nax egg is a viable option? its my highest simming trinket out of that sackbroood and spyglass paired with skardyns

[balmy condor]

yep its good

[mental plume]

ok cool, you got any advice with the on use? i take it its best to keep as much primary stat as possible?

[balmy condor]

anything to stay under 20 stacks

[rotund oak]

talks about m+ brainrot

[balmy condor]

need skardyns man

[rotund oak]

same

[mental plume]

oh ok, cheers whysper appriciate it

[wise gull]

2x dry feelsbad

[novel star]

Just get the item?

[royal lantern]

we love dungeons with 80items

[grim jay]

If I didnt get it all the way until now I would probably be at 120 or smth

[novel star]

you open the chest and the item is just in there

[sharp viper]

didn't you have myth track transmitter?

[novel star]

it’s simple

[runic hinge]

Imagine running that place more than ten times

[rotund oak]

[runic hinge]

Sap

[rotund oak]

im prolly gonna pass out while flying on that dragon

[grim jay]

Dw got it on the 3rd

[rotund oak]

yyyes?

[runic hinge]

I got drunk today but my cologne smells good

Just wanted you to know

[fiery eagle]

What poison we running for delves? went to the faq channel and it was empty

[balmy condor]

from what kyveza kill dawg

[fiery eagle]

sorry its probably been answered a billion times

[runic hinge]

Play the hybrid build and run 4 poisons

[rotund oak]

do u have big boobies and black long hair and blue eyes?

i might come over

[runic hinge]

No just one Oreo dog

[fiery eagle]

im sorry 4 poisons? how do i do that?

[rotund oak]

🤣

[sharp viper]

stop slacking and kill her already

[runic hinge]

Dragon tempered blades

[tawny geyser]

Check pins and Wowhead for talent builds

[runic hinge]

Perfect o

[tawny geyser]

He just killed Ovinax wdym, give im time😁

[rotund oak]

chonky

[runic hinge]

She’s so sweet

I am just visiting

[sharp mountain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

I lived with her for a few years when she was a puppy

When I come visit she won’t leave my side

[rotund oak]

big girl now big girl

[runic hinge]

So cute

I cri

[smoky inlet]

anybody that uses Whispyr's plater, does the color flash frequently (every other frame?)

[runic hinge]

Do you still need more help

[fiery eagle]

it seems to have stuck me with 3 poisons

i should be ok

[runic hinge]

Try updating. That fixed it for me

[smoky inlet]

i just imported today, unfortunate

[subtle tundra]

huge

[balmy condor]

you have a conflicting addon

[smoky inlet]

elvui nameplates are disabled, and i have no target based weakauras... alright thanks ill take a look

[novel star]

other whispyr plater question

like a week ish ago

it just started showing fake deathmarks

for me

[balmy condor]

that's just how that works

[novel star]

like if a target dies with dm on it’ll just show a random plate next pack a fake dm

[novel star]

oh awesome

okay

thought maybe it was a me issue

what caused that

swear it wasn’t happening b4

[spring stream]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[compact crown]

oh pins are promising, sin is finally speeding up on top of breaking free from ER jail?

[novel star]

not sure if i would say speeding up is promising

but yeah

[desert cove]

I mean the speeding up isn't that crazy

[novel star]

that is what is happening

[desert cove]

it's not like we're becoming outlaw speed

[compact crown]

pooling = garbage design/gameplay imo lol

[novel star]

sin speed breaks the specs design before it reaches outlaw speed

is the issue

like

100% (over 100% now) envenom uptime without having to try for it

is like

man

just not how things are supposed to be

[novel star]

there’s 30 other dps in the game that don’t tho

having one unique thing(excluding feral) is nice

[compact crown]

yeh kinda why im not sin rn and tentative about picking up sin next week

[novel star]

fair enough

[compact crown]

it's so cracked as a spec tho

was thinking of swittching from sub to OL bcuz low dmg was making we wanna unsub

but damn i gotta change so much gear shit for that

[desert cove]

ah I see what you mean

I hadn't considered that

[novel star]

[smoky inlet]

@balmy condor fixed, thanks

[compact crown]

i kinda miss when the spec had the choice to play more into bleeds or more into poisons tho

is 8.3 considered boomer shit yet here?

[novel star]

not boomer shit but it is considered bad

cause 8.3 is the prime example of speed making the spec insanely boring

[balmy condor]

it's always done that, the mod doesn't reload nameplates out of combat to save resources

once you enter combat it updates

and the fake border goes away

[novel star]

maintenance spec given way too much ability to mash makes maintenance not interesting anymore

and then what are you left with

[compact crown]

i'll never get why having more to do is boring lol

[novel star]

nothing really

[smoky inlet]

i liked sin in nyalotha

[novel star]

more buttons to press is not more to do

[compact crown]

ig im not loyal to the maintenance core identity in the first place

exsang was hella sick lol

[novel star]

that’s the entire spec tho unfortunately

[compact crown]

ngl i feel like the "entire spec" nowadays is just blizzard telling every rogue to play it

[novel star]

[novel star]

Ah i guess i just never noticed

[compact crown]

like "we at least made sin strong with good talents, so shut up and be a good boy now"

right lul

[grim jay]

thats definitely a take considering they all are fundamentally different

and outlaw for example isnt bad gameplay wise

for the outlaw crowd

they only have a crisis on sub

[compact crown]

we still gotta consider throughput at the end of the day man

sub's dmg is straight up ass, OL is aoe capped

[grim jay]

yea outlaw was never m+ meta

bcs cap

i understand

[novel star]

[novel star]

Sub dam definitely not ass in raid

[compact crown]

it's falling behind by mythic prog

or rather, the mythic prog of normal ppl

not rwf

[novel star]

the spec that was used for like 3/8 bossss in rwf

is bad in mythic

interesting

skill issue potentially?

[compact crown]

like if ur min-maxing to down a boss with the lowest gear possible sub works out, but for the average CE guild the graphs aren't looking super hot

[subtle tundra]

and im playing assa on queef

[novel star]

sin getting buffs that sub isn’t is strange though

but still

sub is not bad

[compact crown]

ehhh

the dmg ranking charts suggest heroics andy spec kekw

cuz sub is strong due to dust, and u run out of vanish charges eventually

[royal lantern]

i mean, assa has a very loyal playerbase overall

yes its tuned better then the other 2 rn

[compact crown]

i mean even the tutorial/character trial defaults u to sin lol

[royal lantern]

but saying "people only play it cus numbers" is also kinda wrong cus the gameplay is enjoyed by quiet a few and feels the most flesshed out

[royal lantern]

???????? and for priest it goess disc

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-jeff-bridges-jeffrey-lebowski-the-dude-stir-gif-23172125

[royal lantern]

tf you mean with that

[novel star]

cause it’s the easiest spec on a class that people mostly consider hard

[grim jay]

thats some tinfoil shit right there

[novel star]

no conspiracy theories pls lmao

[royal lantern]

so disc is the easiest priesst spec?

[compact crown]

yeah that's kinda what i mean

but then idk if it's all that easy

[novel star]

No idea wat da hell going on there

[compact crown]

bcuz i took a look at talent tree recently and wtf is this lmao

[royal lantern]

"difficulty" is no rigged thing and always changes, and people that think "X easy Y hard" are often kinda stupid

like, sub during DF S1/S2 was legit a melee bm hunter

and people still jerk sub of as THE HARDEST SSPEC EVER ALWAYS!!!!1111!!!!

when thats not how it works

[grim jay]

also people are good at different things and with all 3 rogue specs being fundamentally different, you will have different people calling different specs easier

[compact crown]

lul ironically that was the one time ppl didn't feel that bad about playing sub

[pastel onyx]

Ss bp prison

[round harbor]

DMG windows are objectively harder than non DMG wibdows

[royal lantern]

because it did high dmg 🙂

[compact crown]

BUT like yeah sin isn't that fking easy at all imo

like wtf

[novel star]

real answer is just easiest != easy

[compact crown]

we got blade flurry but with poison proc now?

what

[novel star]

ok well that’s legit just a passive idk what to tell u

spatter does actively make the spec easier

[grim jay]

idk the best sub iteration was the 1 min dance sub with big dances, that aside imo nighthold sub was the most popular

[compact crown]

wod sub yeah

[novel star]

ur aoe rotation is just spamming fok env on gcd

[compact crown]

1 min with actual big dmg is kinda nice

[round harbor]

Dfa coolest ability in the game

[compact crown]

but man i feel kinda icky when i open up details and 80% of my dmg is envenom lol

[marble hemlock]

Best sub iteration was end of cataclysm don't @ me

[subtle tundra]

whats the actual difficulty of sub rn?

[royal lantern]

BfA S4 where you could remove the envenom part there

[subtle tundra]

cause i dont get it

[royal lantern]

mate, there are like 4 other people beside us that actually played that

[marble hemlock]

Not falling asleep while reading their spec channel

[compact crown]

difficulty level impossible bcuz why tf is a 1:30 skill budgeted for it's cooldown locked in with another 2 min cd

and why is base dance worthless

[subtle tundra]

not having whispyr make videos on it...

[subtle tundra]

??? the talents are there for a reason

imagine if you had everything baseline and talents were pure cosmetics

or what do you mean

[compact crown]

base dance as in not sent with flag/blades

bcuz even with all the dance amped nodes combined

[subtle tundra]

what does that have to do with difficulty

[runic hinge]

You

[compact crown]

ur dealing tank dmg without flag lmao

[balmy condor]

good thing this is getting worse right

[subtle tundra]

ok?

wheres the difficulty

[balmy condor]

god bless 55apm assa

we're so back to bad design

[marble hemlock]

I miss 40 apm assa

Could alt-tab between casts to chat with the boys

[subtle tundra]

assa df s3/s4 did less than tank dmg outside of kb

[round harbor]

Prime osrs gaming

[compact crown]

lul was there ever a version of sin where u spammed envenom, but to buff bleeds?

[runic hinge]

I miss when you were a cat fish

[compact crown]

i think that'd be kinda cool

[balmy condor]

no

[runic hinge]

I love you so much then

[balmy condor]

there hasn't been

[runic hinge]

You were my sweetheart

[balmy condor]

spamming envenom is fine

[runic hinge]

Can they just

[balmy condor]

spamming envenom every 3 seconds

is bad though

xd

[subtle tundra]

look at my rad fuckinjg tortoise
snorting cocaine while fucking a lady tortoise

[runic hinge]

Fucking make rupture do damage and make sanguine actually take energy

[novel star]

wdym you’re not happy about >100% uptime with ttk?

[runic hinge]

Like why the fuck does a guide exist but it doesn’t even make our energy economy anything

[balmy condor]

ttk doesn't even fix anything, it just takes us from hardcapped 100% envenom uptime to the spec trying to reach for 200%

[runic hinge]

Why does rupture exist

[royal lantern]

"damm, it has almost 100% uptime even if you just spam buttons, what should we do?"

"make the maximum 200%!"

[runic hinge]

Make rupture do my damage

[novel star]

no ye i’m agreeing lmao

[runic hinge]

Pls

Lizard I beg you

[novel star]

ttk with this speed is stupid

[compact crown]

so all 3 specs are dooming now or what lmao

[runic hinge]

Make me think

[blazing jewel]

Lizard

[subtle tundra]

ive been dooming for atleast 6 years

[novel star]

sin is dooming design wise for reasons you don’t care about because you’ve established you like mashing anyway

[runic hinge]

Why is my o my thinn

[novel star]

numbers are fine

if you’re picking it for numbers you will be happy

[runic hinge]

Big envenom

[novel star]

[runic hinge]

If I do t have dm up I lose

WHAT

WHY

[compact crown]

yeh and OL dooming about something imma have to learn, while sub is rightfully just deadge

[balmy condor]

5 bucks to anyone who can correctly decipher what chinaman is telling me

I'll give you 3 guesses

[runic hinge]

DOT SPEC MEANS NOTING ITS BEG ENVEMON

WY

it’s just 7 build

wtf

[blazing jewel]

He wants you to take his chicken leg from him by force

[runic hinge]

I mut mut mut mut

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

we're not dooming, the spec is good, they just need to find a more permanent solution than raising the envenom cap to 200% and walking away

[runic hinge]

Garrote drop. Rupture drop? Who care. Get to 7 math man says

[compact crown]

if i say i enjoyed exsang being the solution, will u find me irl and beat me up

[balmy condor]

maintenance spec but it's just mut mut env over and over

[runic hinge]

I haste DS

[subtle tundra]

they made a talent thats never taken into a talent thats always taken in st

aaaaa

[balmy condor]

exsang is not a solution though lmao

[subtle tundra]

they need to go into bleed interactions

[balmy condor]

exsang just mucks up an already bloated cooldown sequence

no one wants that garbage back

[compact crown]

actually tho yeah, i feel like they gotta tune down the base dmg of envenom big time if they want an actual maintenance spec

[balmy condor]

8.3 assa is by far worse than any 200% envenom uptime they could come up

[compact crown]

and then make proccing poison mean something

for dots

[subtle tundra]

bleed and poison interactions
you know
poisons infect the blood of the enemies
idk when you poison bleeding enemies other bleeding enemies take dmg and shit

[blazing jewel]

Where bepsis

[runic hinge]

Bring back s4 SL so o have to do ct in st and actually think about snapshotting.

[grim jay]

the chicken leg thief is kinda hard to decipher

[runic hinge]

Wait do I care about snapshotting

[novel star]

envenom damage isn’t really the issue

cus that’s just details numbers

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna go play feral

[novel star]

if envenom did half the damage you would still mash envenom because there’s nothing else to do

[runic hinge]

Shien will show me the way

[compact crown]

o tru

that half of it exists too

but imagine some sort of bloodthinner poison lol

[subtle tundra]

REMOVE
IC
REMOVE
SPATTER
GO BACK TO THE BASICS ! ! ! !

[compact crown]

where ur dots tick faster from poison procs or something?

[balmy condor]

the correct translation is he's flaming me for not talenting tricks in m+ because he's a 627 prot paladin that can't hold aggro on more than 1 mob the moment I press kingsbane cause he's by far the worst tank I've encountered in my 44 grim batols

[subtle tundra]

DF SPEC MODERNIZATION RUINED WOW

[balmy condor]

varas why do you choose to be an idiot

[subtle tundra]

"LETS HOMOGINIZE EVERY SPEC"

[balmy condor]

when you're capable of not being an idiot

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/dUuLqTK.jpeg

[balmy condor]

you're an idiot by choice

that's the worst kind

[compact crown]

let the man cook tho

[runic hinge]

People say ER is bad now. They never hit 4 cp on first mut then hit 2 4 6 on their next 3 builders and pretend that’s a god capstone

[marble hemlock]

ER sucks

[subtle tundra]

yea i dont have an argument

[compact crown]

bcuz sub is fucked right now, precisely due to how they want sin/sub nodes to work on the "same" spell

[marble hemlock]

supercharger aint much better tho, not for outlaw at least

Serious question though Mr. Butlety... Did you just come in here to whine about Subtlety for like an hour straight?

[novel star]

supercharger is just nothing it’s just damage and u vibe

[runic hinge]

At least super charger can’t make me miss 6 times in a row

[novel star]

[marble hemlock]

Not if its tied to RtB it isn't

[keen spruce]

ok how do i rogue

[compact crown]

SO MUCH THIS BTW

[runic hinge]

It doesn’t matter if I hit it i. The next 45 seconds

[novel star]

Ok yeah i forgot about that

why the hell did they put it on rtb

?

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor srry you mightve already tried this in sims for next patch, but its something that was on my mind
did you try to add shiv usage in aoe when specc'd into supercharged and not arterial precision?

[marble hemlock]

idk?

[novel star]

disaster

[runic hinge]

If I hit 0 after the first bulkier season after swiping I am gonna do something drastic

[oak eagle]

uhh, press buttons in the correct order

[runic hinge]

I WILL MAKE A RWDDIT POST ABOUR MYRHIC PULS

[balmy condor]

behold, the thing that they had and then refused to put on assa and we got exsang instead and it was a ton of fucking dev time to try and make exsang work but it didn't and all they needed to do was just add this and say "crits with combo point generators" and then walk away and spec would've been better for it in literally every patch since 7.0

[grim jay]

alright, tried to make it something thats not a child insulting someone but the tricks part was easy

[marble hemlock]

ye

sinister calling was neat

[keen spruce]

ty

[balmy condor]

it already does that

[marble hemlock]

especially on a spec that had 3 bleeds

[subtle tundra]

i thought shiv in aoe was bad(it is for aoe, not for kb ik)

[runic hinge]

Where is cev. I need him to say s3 SL tier bonus was based

[strange python]

Shmeep omg

[balmy condor]

it is

[runic hinge]

@blazing jewel walk to the bar I need ten drinks

[marble hemlock]

i still love pressing mutilate every 10 seconds on aoe

love it

absolutely adore it

makes me fuzzy in my tummy

[runic hinge]

Seli that’s so fucking g based

[subtle tundra]

woah i forgot to mutilate and 2 ticks of my kb are GOOOOOOONEZOOOO

[balmy condor]

is that sarcasm I smell

[runic hinge]

Make me multi dot again

[marble hemlock]

nah

i love it even more

when you open

and for some reason theres no poison yet on your target

when you hit that mutilate

so you get to do it again

LOVE IT

[balmy condor]

I give up

y'all want mut mut env in single target and fok fok env in aoe

and nothing else

fucking forget it

[marsh grail]

eyo this is cool af or

[marble hemlock]

nah

theres enough to do on aoe already

but that mut is just cringe

[novel star]

whispyr come back 😭

[marble hemlock]

at least every 10sec

[runic hinge]

You garrote the. 2 casters and then you wanna get your DSM on the big guy but somehow he never got a deadly

[novel star]

i acrually do enjoy mutilating for spatter

[balmy condor]

conversation is so fucking doomed man

[novel star]

maybe i’m a freak

[marble hemlock]

other classes dont have to trigger their legally-distinct-bladeflurry, idk why we do

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

anything that isn't gen-gen-spend

[marble hemlock]

its just active

[balmy condor]

is just bad

[marble hemlock]

[balmy condor]

so real

so based

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[novel star]

maintenance spec having more to maintain

[lapis saffron]

[novel star]

is kinda based

[marble hemlock]

how is mut fok spend

not still gen gen spend

its just 2 different gens

[balmy condor]

because you have to time it

there's gameplay

[novel star]

because you aren’t pressing the mutilate for cp you’re pressing it for spatter

it’s not just a builder

it’s spatter uptime

[balmy condor]

I'm not just some ret reject sitting here smashing every button that lights up

[marble hemlock]

the problem arises when it just adds a button you would never in a million years press on aoe to the rotation, just cuz extra button

[balmy condor]

but every time this convo comes up

??????????

[marble hemlock]

why mutilate? why not throw knife?

[runic hinge]

I’m gonna go to bed.But im on selis side

[sharp viper]

no u D:

[subtle tundra]

COOCKING

[novel star]

the alternative is maintaining ct and nothing else the whole time

[balmy condor]

why have env then seli

that's single target finisher

[compact crown]

uhhhhh that's not "cooking" bro

[balmy condor]

lets just fok fok CT

[marble hemlock]

EXACTLY

THANK YOU

[balmy condor]

no

not exactly

[marble hemlock]

well

not fok fok ct

fuck that shit

[balmy condor]

that's fucking braindead

[marble hemlock]

but why is env

[balmy condor]

WHAT DO YOU WANT

SELI WHAT DO YOU WANT

YOU FUCKING APE

[runic hinge]

Multi dotting to matter

[marble hemlock]

I WANT BLEEDS TO DO DAMAGE AND NOT HAVE ALL BLEEDS AUTOMATICALLY CAUSE OF IC BEING A CRINGEASS FUCKING TALENT

[balmy condor]

WHAT BUTTONS DO YOU WANT TO PRESS

[soft shale]

sbs

[balmy condor]

CAUSE APPARENTLY YOU DONT WANT TO PRESS ANY OF THE ONES WE HAVE

[novel star]

[balmy condor]

TELL ME WHAT BUTTONS YOU WANT TO PRESS

[marble hemlock]

i just wanna

[novel star]

holy based

[balmy condor]

YOU CANT FUCKING DECIDE

[marble hemlock]

multidot

[runic hinge]

Ur mum

[marble hemlock]

i wanna press garrote every 3sec, i wanna fok for cp, i wanna spread ruptures via multidot while maintaining a somewhat short-duration CT

[lucid rain]

CT should infinitely stack

[marble hemlock]

i dont wanna have to press envenom on aoe at all, or mutilate

[subtle tundra]

rupturing a ruptured target makes the current rupture erupt and do its damage to every target in its vicinity

[marble hemlock]

cause you know what happens if we dont?

[balmy condor]

the game has moved on from that seli

[marble hemlock]

YEAH WELL I HATE IT OKAY?

[runic hinge]

I want ic dead and I want garrote to do gigs damage and rupture to do gigs damage and I want spatter to be a thing to do when I actually get my shit going

[balmy condor]

blame m+

[blazing jewel]

Bro it is 10am here

[marble hemlock]

no

[royal python]

Clear the witnesses to this conversation

[marble hemlock]

i blame IC

[balmy condor]

IC exists because of M+

[marble hemlock]

assa did perfectly fine in m+ before IC

i dont get that argument

[runic hinge]

It’s 5:30 and I’m gonna go to. A liquor store

[balmy condor]

no it didn't

[marble hemlock]

yes it did

it was just

very difficult to play

[subtle tundra]

well it didnt in terms of popularity, which is what blizzard tried to fix

[marble hemlock]

unlucky

[sharp viper]

it was giga slow and unviable in low keys

[blazing jewel]

Bring stu

[runic hinge]

Pretty sure my gf never wants me home again because I’m a stupid drunk but I’ll try

[marble hemlock]

ye well thats fucking dumb, popularity is a zero sum game, if you make smth more popular, something else becomes less popular, so what are you doing then, changing that thing again so it becomes more popular?

[balmy condor]

it did well in legion, 1 patch in bfa where the other specs sucked gigashit, 8.3, and then caustic/IC

where was it good

[marble hemlock]

ye idk, assa did very well in all of bfa

[lapis saffron]

Look at them trying to fix it now as well.

[balmy condor]

seli be so fucking for real right now

[novel star]

chicken leg thief many capital letter

[marble hemlock]

scent carried s1, ss carried s2, eb carried s3, corruptions carried s4

[balmy condor]

I need you to

[subtle tundra]

assa was just missing numbers honestly

[balmy condor]

SS CARRIED S2

[main blaze]

shrouded suffication carried in bfa.

[runic hinge]

Scent should carry the spec

[marble hemlock]

i mean i managed to be super competitive with all the outlaw fuckers. if i could do it, anybody couldve

[runic hinge]

Uncap it

[subtle tundra]

and it never got the numbers cause making the numbers high enough meant its ST was busted. not enough tuning knobs

[runic hinge]

Lemme do 15 ruptures for 100 bacilli’s. Energy

[marble hemlock]

outlaw was dogshit until it got wits and then it was carried by wits for 3 seasons

[royal lantern]

outlaw fuckers had the outlaw brain handicap

[runic hinge]

And also ten Bangkok. Ago

[marble hemlock]

i just wanna multidot man

why

cant i

[balmy condor]

that's just not happening anymore

[marble hemlock]

but i want to

[subtle tundra]

IC CHOICE NODE WITH 20% BLEED DMG

40% BLEED

[marble hemlock]

i mean

blizz just took multidotting out the back

after legion

[subtle tundra]

200% BLEED DMG

[marble hemlock]

we got to keep it a little longer

than sp/boomie/affli

[balmy condor]

yes, cause they recognized the game moved on and that's not what aoe should be

we kept it through the era of apply your aoe dots to everything

[subtle tundra]

theres 38 specs or whatever in the game

[balmy condor]

now we're in the blade flurry era and thriving

[subtle tundra]

there is enough design space

[marble hemlock]

but overall, after legion, they just said "nah, multidotting too hard for dentge players, gotta make it easier" and as a consequence, those specs were beyond dogshit for like 2 expansions cause they couldnt figure out a way to make it reasonably good in aoe after gutting multidotting.

so they ended up giving most of those specs bladeflurry instead

l to the fucking mao

[balmy condor]

yeh

that basically sums it up

we are not the players that blizzard designs for

[muted terrace]

so the thisle tea change is a pure passive now or can u still use it on your own if u dont fall below 30?

[marble hemlock]

and now we get to spam envenom

[balmy condor]

the latter

[marble hemlock]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaay

(kill me)

[runic hinge]

I wish someone would spam garrote in my neck