assassination

[tacit charm]

U just typed that

[clever perch]

Guys i need help for a bis rly important macro

i wanna do a Shadowstep (mouseover) then target the objective of mouseover, do a /kiss and then /targetlasttarget

I'll call it Shadowstep kiss macro

[cerulean nest]

I also want that

[clever perch]

we need that

[uneven lagoon]

yeah but if I already have 2 embelished items, can't I use my sparks to fill low ilvl slots?

[clever perch]

the thing is, how do i do a /target into my mouseover

is the only thing im missing

[tawdry belfry]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[waxen oyster]

Thats what they’re for

[clever perch]

is it possible to /target your mouseover?

with a mouseover

[mint valve]

Yeah it's called left clicking.

[limber lion]

Lmao

[slate crown]

I mean

[clever perch]

without left clicking xD

[mint valve]

You have to press SOMETHING

[slate crown]

/target [@mouseover] should also work

[mint valve]

You can bind it to something else

But you'll still have to press it

With your mouse over the target

So why not left click. LOL

[limber lion]

I don't really understand the function either yeah

[slate crown]

As a rogue, I don't either

However click casting is a thing

so someone may override left click with a spell

[mint valve]

Unless you're talking about rupturing something without having to target it

[slate crown]

and they want to target in another way

[mint valve]

Then you can definitely do that

[clever perch]

okay i got it

#showtooltip
/target [@mouseover]
/cast Shadowstep
/kiss
/targetlasttarget

okay there u go guys

that's our bis macro

[slate crown]

If you want to cast at your mouseover

you do not need to do the target thing

[mint valve]

^^^^

[slate crown]

/cast [@mouseover] Shadowstep works

[mint valve]

Just mouse over shadowstep

[slate crown]

along with other variants

[limber lion]

Yeah it's literally useless

[slate crown]

However

It isn't useless

[runic hinge]

You can do whatever you want big dog. We are headed for entropy.

[slate crown]

because the /kiss is important

can you /kiss [@mouseover]? I do not know

probably

[clever perch]

no no

[mint valve]

Well I guess he needs his mouse over target in his actual target

[clever perch]

i wanna shadowstep into my egirl

[mint valve]

Or else the kiss won't go off

[clever perch]

and /kiss

is just to flex

[cerulean nest]

man, what?

[slate crown]

Right but could you just do

/cast [@mouseover] Shadowstep
/kiss [@mouseover]

I don't know if emotes support target arguments like that

but you can try

[pseudo cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[clever perch]

true

[clever perch]

for now this works

[strange python]

Mans hustling

So what’s the plan

You destroy a pack and do that after?

Respect

The hustle

[slate crown]

oh my fucking god I flew into the auction house and got hit with the stupid priest pvp talent or whatever

and now my game is frozen

I'm just getting whoosh sounds every 3 seconds

from my other window

[novel star]

can you have mouseover focus and focus kick on the same macro with mod buttons i tried before and it wasnt working properly

[limber lion]

I don't think I've heard heard Lisonna say fuck

good day

[slate crown]

There's no way

you haven't

[marble hemlock]

priests cant freeze

only frost mages and frost DKs can

[limber lion]

Idk maybe I just haven't paid enough attention

[slate crown]

you should be able to

[marble hemlock]

sounds like unsubstantiated priest slander

[novel star]

i tried and it was marking focus without the modifier held for some reason

even though that line should have only been like standard focus kick

[slate crown]

/focus [mod:alt,@mouseover] that worked for me. It applies focus only if mod held

[waxen oyster]

does that trolling with putting that water sphere

in front of the ah entrance

still work

[slate crown]

I don't know but frost wall works

[pseudo cosmos]

no it got hotfixed like instantly

[slate crown]

oh I don't know if it was changed I just saw it work once

[fast helm]

hello guys, first message here as a main rogue since a long time, is there a cap in term of stats ? i run 26/12/44/4 but i wonder if i can do better or if it's good, raidbots tells me this is the best gear i have but doesn't mean i can't have better 🙂

[limber lion]

If raidbots says it's the best, it's the best

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

i swear to god this is legit just the same macro i had on day 1 ovinax that wasnt working but now it is working

i fucking hate wow

[fast helm]

ok 🙂 i thought there could be a soft cap somewhere

[limber lion]

No soft caps or hard caps whatsoever

[fast helm]

thanks anyway

[limber lion]

Everything is dynamic

And the robot knows best

There are technically some "soft caps" because stats start to have diminishing returns

So stacking one stat is generally a bad idea

[slate crown]

schrodinger's code. It both does and doesn't work depending on how frustrated you are when you test it

[limber lion]

But again, just do what the robot says

[novel star]

AAAAAAAA

[fast helm]

yes i was indeed talking of diminushing returns, but i will do as i do then 🙂

as the robot would do because robot knows best

[floral isle]

is there a lot of time spent in invis as assa?

[pseudo cosmos]

what what is the diminishing returns cap?

if one?

[novel star]

the only thing that was different about my macro before was the harm bit but now i added that back after copypasting urs and it still just works

[limber lion]

Yeah you don't really need to know or think about it whatsoever

[novel star]

whatever i must have just typod or something at the time

i was tired

[limber lion]

All stats have multiple dimishing returns soft caps, you can google it

But it is legitimately useless information

It's only there to prevent stacking one stat

[pseudo cosmos]

if its unreachable then nice

[limber lion]

It serves no purpose to know about it

It is not unreachable

But you legitimately cannot know whether it's better to go over the soft cap and keep stacking the stat

or to spread your stats

that's what the robot is for

[novel star]

its not like -99% stat value instantly or smth

its

-10% at first i think?

so

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's 10% 10% 10%

And so on

[novel star]

depending on spec among other things yeah

[limber lion]

Starts on like 30%, then 40% and whatever

[novel star]

can 100% sim higher to go over the "cap"

[limber lion]

Mastery is a bit trickier

Even looking at your stats ever is completely useless information

let alone trying to math out dimishing returns or whatever

lol

[novel star]

this

especially on sin

but honestly just true in general

[pseudo cosmos]

ye im just looking at it rn

[novel star]

if a piece of gear would fuck your stats on a spec that cares

the robot would show that too anyway

🤖

[limber lion]

I have not known what my stats look like for the past idk 5 years

[novel star]

i havent known what my stats look like literally ever

[limber lion]

Could be sitting at 0% haste or 80%

I couldn't tell

[novel star]

the tools to not give a fuck already long since existed

when i started playing

[stable bridge]

What is the easiest spec to learn assasin?

[limber lion]

Yeah, BFA introduced haste affecting bleeds

and Shadowlands introduced diminishing returns on stats

[limber lion]

Arms Warrior

[novel star]

im a 8.3 baby

worst state of the spec ever allegedly

[cedar hare]

Outlaw

[novel star]

and it was my first class

born in dogshit

[waxen oyster]

No it’s sin

[limber lion]

Yeah I started my tryhard shit in 8.3

[novel star]

sin is definitely the easiest spec imo

[limber lion]

Climbed to the top and then retired

Now sitting at 4/8 HC

[cedar hare]

Outlaw is easyer then sin

[novel star]

outlaw too fast and sub too complicated

[waxen oyster]

to play at a basic level

[novel star]

outlaw is simpler but you dont get time to think

[waxen oyster]

sin is easier

[novel star]

sin gives you 5 hours to think

so any added complexity is like not actually harder to play with because ur just pissvibing the whole rotation

imo

[cedar hare]

Outlaw have like 3 buttons

[limber lion]

Sin has Mutilate and Envenom

[waxen oyster]

i mean so does sin if you super water it down

sin is easier to play at a basic level

[cedar hare]

And all dots

[pseudo cosmos]

after watching some outlaw gameplay it looks like 1 button

between the eyes spam

[waxen oyster]

You have two dots

[limber lion]

Oh now we're including the buttons we press once every 20s?

[novel star]

if u get lucky enough u really do just press bte like 7 globals in a row

or whatever

[cedar hare]

Outlaw is easyer 100%

[normal mist]

i call this bait

[merry bison]

Delusional.

[limber lion]

[normal mist]

and yall falling for it

[waxen oyster]

probably the same kind of person who says how do i multidot as sin without IC

[merry bison]

Same as I fell for Lisa at the Victoria Secret Runway 24

[normal mist]

Outlaw m+ is cool after drinking 2 monsters

[waxen oyster]

i mean ngl

easiest spec is ret pally

holy power is basically discount combo points

[merry bison]

White Monster*

Ain‘t the green one

[normal mist]

i like green and blue too

but white lately as been my personal choice

[merry bison]

Tastes like blue powerade w a bit of fizz

[brittle quail]

you guys cant play outlaw

[normal mist]

I can actually

[brittle quail]

outlaw needs all kin of monster to be good

[normal mist]

i just don't like it as much

[pseudo cosmos]

fuck outlaw wheres combat

[brittle quail]

no cchoice you need the juiuce

[normal mist]

outlaw is combat WITH a pistol

which i also hate

[pseudo cosmos]

and shit dice

which i also hate

[normal mist]

which i also hate

yeah

its unique for sure

[pseudo cosmos]

which i also hate

[brittle quail]

on outlaw i only hate bugs

bugs everywheere on that spec

[waxen oyster]

the dice arent even that bad

nowadays

its sinister hitting twice

thats the real rng

[static glacier]

curious, what's speeding sin up so much in .11.0.5

[iron valve]

new sneakers

[normal mist]

Guys

[static glacier]

no change looks like it should really change energy economy outside of dashing + ttk

but like

[normal mist]

Do you like RNG

[novel star]

no vv no sang

both the energy thief talents are not taken

[static glacier]

i guess ttk making energy more powerful

[novel star]

that too

[waxen oyster]

I imagine sang is still taken on aoe

[novel star]

ttk+dashing is crazy energy income and ur not spending that energy

[static glacier]

we back to 10.1

[novel star]

on venoms

perma

so

[waxen oyster]

ttk also means

much more env uptime

yeah

[static glacier]

i wonder how fateebound is faring

[normal mist]

YO COMMENT ON MY LUCK

[waxen oyster]

what about it

syl mount is rare?

[normal mist]

i got both mount and bow

[waxen oyster]

oh right mount isnt 100% anymore

[sonic zinc]

does caustic hit adds on bloodbound?

[static glacier]

not from the boss

[sonic zinc]

k

[static glacier]

from other adds ye

[runic hinge]

Hey can I have those

It’s me your friend Tony

[normal mist]

i tried to give the mount to my friend but he said he would feel bad about it

xD

[runic hinge]

I’ve been trying to run sepelcure lately

[normal mist]

he had it in his bags bcs i traded him

[runic hinge]

Can’t solo xymox

[full summit]

they made them soloable in a recent hotfix i think

[runic hinge]

Apparently I should be able to now

Yeah I’ll go try tonight

[full summit]

gl o7

[dawn heath]

are we likely to take twist the knife talent in m+ when patch hits?

[silk bane]

read the pins

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/qeliameow-cat-paw-cats-paw-dance-gif-3807241812430059413

[rain wraith]

Finally

[late tusk]

Hello, checking my dps into my simc and i have a lack of Caustic Spatter dmg

Should i spread mutilate on aoe?

on different targets

[normal mist]

NO

caustic is limited by 1

[late tusk]

then i dont understand the diff

on the dmg

[limber lion]

You need to slam the target that has caustic with everything

KB

Shiv

Envenom

And you need to have other targets around that target

to do damage

[blazing pumice]

you're doing no caustic damage because you're spreading caustic

[limber lion]

It won't do anything in ST

[keen spruce]

are you simming AoE?

[late tusk]

ye path 5

[keen spruce]

oh you mean you're not getting caustic dmg in game

vs your sim

misread

[late tusk]

ye

[keen spruce]

yeah you put caustic on your main target

then pump ST into it

which splashes onto other targets

[late tusk]

Ye, the problem is that on simcs it suppose to be 1º dmg output

arround 20% dmg

and on my dps is about 10 or something

after CT outputdmg

[keen spruce]

depends on the content you're doing

[late tusk]

It was necrotic

8s

[keen spruce]

CT and Caustic being pretty close isn't that uncommon

[late tusk]

Boralus also with super low Caustic Dmg

[keen spruce]

if you were moving caustic around

[late tusk]

arround 5% dmg

[keen spruce]

then you'd be doing like 0 dmg

[late tusk]

Ye no for sure, but its strange for me

That SImc give me so high dps on CS and im getting arround 5.10

Its signicantly a lot of dmg there

[keen spruce]

yeah caustic big stonks. if you prio it onto one mob it'll go up a lot

[waxen oyster]

caustic in NW

is huge stonks tbh

usually a big guy to splash off of

[dawn heath]

yep

[late tusk]

Will try to focus on it this time

[dawn heath]

using CT is just pad

bad for every metric when you are trying to funnel down a big mob

you should use small mobs to make your ST higher

[waxen oyster]

boralus you have less splash

if it isnt an ettin or commander pack

you kill necromancers in nw and laugh when the ret is divine storming

on the skeles that insta die anyway

[dawn heath]

i've been down prioing CT quite abit honestly i dont think its that amazing in medium size packs

yeah i've noticed my damage is considerably lower when playing with a retri

they're just making me not to do any damage for no reason

sending their divine storms

killing all the smaallies and ruining my funnel

[weary spear]

CT does prio damage to your marked target as well

[blazing pumice]

weird take ct not being good

[limber lion]

Legitimately incorrect

CT is crazy good for prio damage

It is an insanely efficient button to press in AoE

And a great button for prio damage

If you are not using CT, you're legit just trolling

[daring hamlet]

not entirely sure what your intention was here but ct is very good

oh cev beat me to it

[dawn heath]

how is good for me to ruin my energy funnel and my max agi for some CT overall pad?

to specify

i'm talking about some very specific packs

in NW and GB

[blazing pumice]

you're not losing any energy or agi

[limber lion]

What do you mean energy funnel? What does that even mean?

[dawn heath]

here

[blazing pumice]

you open with ic and rupture goes on everything

[dawn heath]

i want to have

if these mobs die quicker

[blazing pumice]

those adds need to die

[dawn heath]

no they dont

absolutely do not need to die

they've been nerfed

they dont do any damage anymore

you use the smallies to funnel the big mob

killing them faster is just griefing

[limber lion]

Maybe you shouldn't play Spatter then either

[weary spear]

CT does funnel with hero talent you know that right

[limber lion]

Or shouldn't spatter the mob

[limber lion]

CT funnels by its own design

even without any hero talents

[waxen oyster]

the smallies will also just die

to pb and spatter

even without ct

[limber lion]

Or well, not exactly, but the more targets you have the more prio dam you also do up to 5 targets

But yeah I get his point

[dawn heath]

yeah eventually but u can use them to get insta 7 CPS FOK+envenom casts & for agi buff

watching gingis group

he doesnt starfall in this pack

so rogue can funnel

its a time gain

[weary spear]

CT funnels with singular focus. its probably a prio less to not press it

[waxen oyster]

might also be some hyper minmax

[limber lion]

He understands that

[waxen oyster]

about ripping one just before the smalls die

[dawn heath]

watching casualaddict

[limber lion]

But he's saying a different thing

[waxen oyster]

to still get a full powered ct

[dawn heath]

he uses CT very late into every pack

[waxen oyster]

on big

[dawn heath]

highest io rogue

[limber lion]

I just have to say that all of this is just kinda super useless for anything less than r1 keys

Generally the faster everything dies, the faster you clear the dungeon

But in higher keys you have to think about prio stuff more

[dawn heath]

yeah, i mean its extremely situational right

[spare cargo]

Casual said he uses 2 envenoms before CT cause its more prio dmg

on his disc

[limber lion]

Yep and not something that concerns 99.99% of the playerbase

But it is a cute idea yeah

[dawn heath]

i'm almost 3100 io now

im trying to adapt their playstyles

trying to learn

[limber lion]

Very good

[waxen oyster]

for the average player

it will do more harm than good

though

[dawn heath]

i mean, yeah pressing it will always be higher overall damage

[limber lion]

For premade groups that push the highest keys it can make sense

But for pugs groups it doesn't really

Because the faster everything dies, the faster your group also focuses the big guy down

[dawn heath]

and dont get me wrong they use it all the time, its just not something you use your third global in a pack

unless its mass aoe

[daring hamlet]

3100 is just like half 13s/12s, you don't need to hyper min/max prio dmg - just do good overall dmg and dont die and thats basically what's needed

[dawn heath]

not really

i have no 12s

only 13s/14s

but yea

u dont need to hyper min max but you should try to play correct

[limber lion]

No harm in trying to minmax

[spare cargo]

1 key is the difference where you can try to min max

you cant do that on 10's

and even 11's

[daring hamlet]

sorry yeah half 13s/14s

[dawn heath]

i am new to rogue and also playing in the group finder so i think i¨'ve done okay

played the class for about a month

but my dps is not amazing honestly so im looking to improve on that front

[bitter horizon]

!ui

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[dawn heath]

its good enough to time 13/14s

but not 15s

[limber lion]

You'll get there

Practice makes perfect and whatever

[dawn heath]

struggling alot when under alot of pressure to do good damage

[reef oxide]

ive seen a few guides online that say that authority of the depths shouldnt used on both weapons. but my sim says its a ST increase to have 2. not sure what to do

[dawn heath]

like, second boss in COT and the last one

i am getting absolutely hammered on these 2 bosses

second boss in COT gotta be one of the worst fights they've ever made

such a cluster fuck

[limber lion]

I don't think it's too bad

Very typical 2T council fight

[dawn heath]

it gets really bad when u play it on a high key level

it really hurts

[limber lion]

There's really nothing new on that fight

[spare cargo]

maybe ur healer sucks

are you a dwarf ?

[limber lion]

It's just Queen's Council in Mythic+

[daring hamlet]

it may be a language barrier - do you mean "bad" = "hard/hurts"?

[deep pier]

How much haste do I need for assa ?

[dawn heath]

night elf

[limber lion]

0-100%, anything between that

Doesn't matter

[dawn heath]

the bleed+ any other mechanic oneshots you

[limber lion]

Do what the robot says

[dawn heath]

even with feint

[limber lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[dawn heath]

had a overlap of the bleed beeing cast on me and then immediately after the frost soak

died through feint

[deep pier]

Thank you g

[limber lion]

np

[dawn heath]

kinda exhausted on my defensives

still dying to this fight

[spare cargo]

most likelly you have rshammy ye ?

[dawn heath]

feint every bleed, feint every soak feint every icy dagger thing

vial

cloak if u get dagger+ icicle

[spare cargo]

he can remove the icy dagger with wind rush

[dawn heath]

yes, did not do that

last boss also destroys rogue kinda

or rather the dot does

i feint every stomp every splice dot every weave

still rotting

been thinking of going dwarf but i really dont want to

it could def help

[surreal canopy]

Hey guys! So a few of us from my guild are doing off role alts on the anniversary patch for a bit of fun now that we're all basically maxed out on gearing. As a tank main I've never really gotten to play dps much and I'm looking at rogue (assassination mostly but outlaw looks great too). I'm just curious if the difficulty is gunna hold me back or is it okay now? Keep hearing mixed things on assassination

[coral ibex]

assa is not difficult

[spare cargo]

@surreal canopy get the basics hammered

and you good to go

bleeds>buffs>cds

[slate crown]

Assa is very straightforward

[normal mist]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

It may become a bit more difficult come tuesday patch (pins for info) but more on that in the coming days. Also "may" is doing a lot of work there, it won't be a major shift if any at all

[spare cargo]

by may it means you need to pool energy better now

[surreal canopy]

Like I'm ni stranger to complex specs, I've played vdh and brewmaster for a long time

[spare cargo]

and plan the enrgy drops

vdh 😂

[surreal canopy]

I guess just historically people have told me rogue is hard haha

[waxen oyster]

well

[spare cargo]

its easier then arcane mage or WOTLK feral before buffs

[coral ibex]

[waxen oyster]

its harder than ret or frost dk

[surreal canopy]

I mean I absolutely want some depth and learning curve hence no frost fury ret etc

[spare cargo]

Yeah assa is not a bad choice then

GL!

[normal mist]

Then rogue might be for you

[surreal canopy]

I just don't wanna get owned by something at enahnce/arcane tier

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you played modern brew well in any of its more recent versions

[slate crown]

Yeah it is not a "press flashing button spec", you do have thinking that can go into it, certainly as you get into M+ stuff

where assa can become much more complex

[waxen oyster]

cant be worse

[slate crown]

ST is very straightforward

[quaint knoll]

How should I use shiv outside of the kingsbane window on single target?

[normal mist]

If 1 charge, on cd

[dawn heath]

are there any big items from the meme boomer raid beeing released?

[waxen oyster]

enh is odd

[dawn heath]

any huge trinkets?

[waxen oyster]

every long enhance main i know says the spec is easy

[surreal canopy]

Yeah I was on brew this tier

[dawn heath]

Any spec that you played for 20 years is easy for you

when you have 10k hours on a spec

its helps

[quaint knoll]

SO you don't save one for kingsbane then? Or you do

[normal mist]

1 charge - when KB at 8 secs or less, second on cd, third for KB again and repeat

If 2 charges, always save both for full KB

[quaint knoll]

Okay thank you!

Also, is SPyglass still ahead of arakara trinket?

[normal mist]

That's something only SIM will tell you

Might be really good for me and bad for you

[surreal canopy]

So are talent builds n stuff looking like they're gunna change next reset?

[normal mist]

A bit maybe

Nothing major

[surreal canopy]

Okay, I'll not even be levelling until the patch is out so I guess it won't matter to me eh

[normal mist]

We'll have pins / guides updated and Whispyr will probably cover everything in an hour long video

[slate crown]

Likely no

Yeah, if you want to dig into the details, most recent pin has a lot of it

But a lot of it will not mean much to you if you haven't played the spec before

[normal mist]

Yeah, rather learn after the changes happen

[surreal canopy]

Yeah that's exactly why we're waiting until the patch

[normal mist]

The basics will always be the same

Keep dots up

[surreal canopy]

That and giga exp

[slate crown]

What's changing with the patch to give giga xp?

[normal mist]

25% warband + 20% event

[surreal canopy]

I mean it's anniversary buff, plus warband and timewalking from level 10

Can do bfa pots on top

[slate crown]

ah got it

forgot about the anniversary xp buff

I still only have one 80

[normal mist]

You can already 10-70 in a few hours while chilling

[surreal canopy]

Oh absolutely

But 10-80 in like 3 or 4 is gunna be fun

[normal mist]

Looks like my shaman, with less than 10h played

[surreal canopy]

Just press buttons right? 😅

[normal mist]

Our ST is honestly not hard

But

You can't spam buttons every global

[surreal canopy]

I will basically only be playing m+ with this bar a reclear

Tanks gotta be tanking

[normal mist]

M+ you pretty much always have 100% energy

Besides bosses

[spare cargo]

you have adds you can snipe

on most of them

[surreal canopy]

I'm just excited honestly, ever since I was a kid I've wanted to play an undead rogue, it just never happened 😅 whatever challenges I'm sure I can overcome

[normal mist]

If you played brewmaster at a decent level, you'll do fine

[surreal canopy]

I just needed to be sure it's not gunna be way too complex or have 60 keybinds

[main blaze]

Does Fatal Intent just sometimes not do damage?

[normal mist]

We're actually losing keybinds

[surreal canopy]

Yeah I mean as high as you can get really

[surreal canopy]

Exciting! I like having lots of utility buttons but if the rotation is bloated it puts me off

[normal mist]

Depends on many things

[normal mist]

We had a maintenance buff that finally got implemented in our toolkit as a passive

Slice and dice

[surreal canopy]

oh that is nice

[warm moth]

How are the changes looking for ass rogue for next patch?

[normal mist]

Check pins

[main blaze]

On Rashanan for instance it just faded and didnt do anything. Was in melee range and hitting the boss.

[normal mist]

Weird, although I honestly never look at fatal intent damage

[surreal canopy]

Are people actually mad about the tea change?

[normal mist]

Some yeah

[slate crown]

The original version was a tad harsher

the reason is that it could in theory remove agency by causing Tea to be out of your control

[main blaze]

Its small and I was looking at something else and noticed it just wasnt in the log on my damage. So I was confused.

[slate crown]

and right now we do use it deliberately

[surreal canopy]

Seems odd, feels like auto chug is just nice qol

Oh okay

I get it

[slate crown]

Because the auto-use threshold is not necessarily the optimal use time

[surreal canopy]

Be like if my purifying brew was taken out of my hands

Got it

[slate crown]

But especially after they reduced the auto-use threshold from 50 to 30, it's not that bad

[normal mist]

Depends on how hard you press mutilate

[surreal canopy]

Is very the right answer?

[limber lion]

If you want to

[normal mist]

If you press mutilate with more than 100iwh energy

You won't auto shug

Actually let me check

[limber lion]

it's 40 energy

[normal mist]

If we gonna be playing vv

[limber lion]

We don't play VV

It's okay

[normal mist]

Ohhh we gonna play faster

[limber lion]

VV is yucky

[surreal canopy]

I must say as a first timer the rogue community seems a lot nicer than I expected 🤣

[normal mist]

It was alright

[normal mist]

Trust me when I tell you that we read that a bunch of times weekly

[surreal canopy]

I can imagine, you guys get such a bad rap

[slate crown]

If you're open to learning and aren't obstinant we're gucci

[indigo meadow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

Lisonna and the expensive words man

[surreal canopy]

I am definitely that and also not that

[slate crown]

It can get contentious in here

there are moments but

[normal mist]

Especially on patch notes days

[slate crown]

we guuci ong fr fr no cap on my flapjack sack, jack, ya dig?

[surreal canopy]

Never challenge this guy to a game of scrabble

[normal mist]

I'm 29, I understood little to nothing

[nova fractal]

Question about mythic blood bound. Should I just be targeting the tank add and pump into that since it will move towards the caster adds due to tank movement and cleave with splatter or should I be playing full single target and just burst the adds one by one with my raid?

[surreal canopy]

Just a youngster

[limber lion]

Demon

[worldly sail]

fr fr

[shy pecan]

unsubbed, unfriended, unfollowed

[slate crown]

🫡

[limber lion]

You should just pump the big adds honestly.

[thorn thorn]

This shit bussin no cap

[limber lion]

But you still have to do stuff quickly, if you go and try to reapply garrotes/ruptures on all the big boys, it's gonna take too long

So you gotta speed it up

[slate crown]

I am deeply sad by this but respect the decision and, frankly, would do the same myself.

[shy pecan]

[surreal canopy]

Do I have time to recant my previous statement? It got weird in here

[nova fractal]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking so just full send everything into whichever add I’m killing at that moment

[limber lion]

Yeah basically.

[worldly sail]

on my last kill i barely had time to even look at the adds

[limber lion]

Just hit something to make it look believable

And make it look like you're doing something

[worldly sail]

i got a cool DN come up just as the adds spawned

ez marks

[limber lion]

Our damage is so backloaded that it's a bit unfortunate for add swapping

[nova fractal]

Yeah my raid group isn’t the most insane damage wise or anything so I was just wondering if there was any min max shit like splatter off the only movable add or something. Appreciate the input though! I’ll just focus the adds one by one

[slate crown]

Nah, I know words and how to use them but I can't spell for shit

[limber lion]

Yeah, a few bleeds and Envenom spam is the play

[shy pecan]

Speeling is overrated anyway

[thorn thorn]

Is applying rupture to things almost dead in boss fights to get a burst of energy bait

[slate crown]

not worth

[round harbor]

Worth in m+, not raid

[thorn thorn]

Noted

Is it just a thing to avoid in general regardless of boss fights in raid or M+ or is it just strictly not worth doing

[round harbor]

Scent of blood + sudden demise make it worth rupturing like small adds on first boss necrotic for example.

[limber lion]

Generally not worth doing.

Just follow normal pandemic rules

[thorn thorn]

Heard

[limber lion]

And if a mob is about to die, just hit it with an Envenom

[round harbor]

Yes

[thorn thorn]

Ya im assuming spreading dots to adds is fine

Specifically it was about "sniping" to get the energy but ill just envenom

[drifting cloud]

from a purely prog perspective the tank add is the least important one of them all, it doesnt have that much more hp than the caster one and will basically just die while getting moved around while you "have" to kill the ranged guys before the laser cuts you off

[limber lion]

Very smart

[nova fractal]

So from what I’m gathering

[limber lion]

Yeah sniping for energy in a vacuum is a bit tricky, but with Sudden Demise it's less bad than without. Personally I would avoid doing it most of the time.

[nova fractal]

Is when we go down it’s a “Lmao get fucked idiot” more or less since targetswappinng is kinda booty and we can’t really cleave

[limber lion]

You just throw a few bleeds out and then spam Envenom on the ranged guys

[drifting cloud]

just rupture both the casters and dps either one yeah

[nova fractal]

Yeah i got it lol I haven’t played rogue this tier really since my guild had me on ret but now we have an excess of paladins so i can go rogue again

[thorn thorn]

Heard, purely out of curiosity why isnt it worth doing? Envenom just more efficient for damage and resources in that situation?

[limber lion]

Basically yeah. In Mythic+ where you take time to move between packs, getting energy back instantly isn't really that useful, however it can be okay to do in some super niche low-target situations

But generally if you have 2 or more targets, just having Garrote and Rupture up on both (or more than 2) targets, is enough to get you fully energy saturated

So you don't really need to do any sniping or whatever because you're stacked on energy anyways

It can be okay for some super niche things like sitting at 0 energy outside of cooldowns, boss is immune/out of range, you have 5+ cp ready and you get an add with 10k health that you can snipe

[thorn thorn]

Interesting

[limber lion]

But those situations are far in between

It's just a lot of energy and effort to build to 5+ combo points (like 120 energy just off of 3 mutilates) and then you use energy on the Rupture itself

So you spend like 140 energy or whatever

To get back like 200 or something

[thorn thorn]

Not cost effective, neat

[limber lion]

Yep

It feels "free" when you're already at 5 combo points and ready to slam the rupture

but you have to also take note of the generators/energy used to get to that point

cause then you have to use the energy you sniped to generate up to 5+ again to use it on an Envenom after the snipe anyways

But yeah you get it

[surreal canopy]

Could anyone define this sniping thing? I've seen you guys mention it a few times

[limber lion]

It's using Rupture on a target that's low hp. Once the mob dies, Rupture will refund energy depending on the duration left on the target.

[slate crown]

It's a core talent at the base of the tree you get very early

[surreal canopy]

Oh awesome thank you!

[brittle quail]

naah i just snipe little mob around a big one like rasha, not worth probably but i call that optimising flensing knives while i still can x)

[limber lion]

Do... you know what Flensing Knives does?

But yeah, that is definitely not worth in any universe. Don't do that.

[brittle quail]

make mutilate do more dmg on marked target

so i dump mutilate on big target

and when i have no more energy i snipe a little one to get it back

and do more mutilate

[limber lion]

You do you brother.

[brittle quail]

x)

but for real the sniping little add is kind of useful to know

like u have to reapply big rupture on the big one

get one or 2 cp back and there is little mob around

[keen glade]

you will get used to it and your hand will go automatically to ''snipe''

xD

[brittle quail]

nice to get full energy but timing is kind of uncontrollable

[limber lion]

Yeah don't do that.

[rotund jungle]

Anyone knows why so many high rated roq´s wear the Empowering Crystal of Anub'ikkaj as trinket?

[limber lion]

They have nothing better or it sims well for them.

[brittle quail]

cause it sims pretty well

[rotund jungle]

i know its also A tier but i know they also got brood sac etc

[brittle quail]

with good gear / stat spread all stat are almost equal and this trinket is good in that situation

[rotund jungle]

ok ok ty

[blazing pumice]

it sims about the same as sac

for me

[waxen oyster]

we love knife

realistically you wear

whichever trink you get higher track

[brittle quail]

yep i got myth sac so now i'm just waiting for skardyn

but it could had been the crystal or the glass and it would be the same

[coral ibex]

anub crystal sims as good or better than sac for me

[novel star]

there is no shot this is more damage than just like

hitting fan for more envenoms

• ctw but

primarily the cp gen

wow i replied 30 minutes late

with ping on

im the goat of annoying fucks

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-scarab-assyst-gif-9837798423909404507

[past marten]

What exactly does the wording of the "new" ttk mean? I get that it's a dps improvement, but what does overlapping 2 times do for us?

[spice surge]

If you have two up you get twice the benefit

[past marten]

All the benefits connected to envenom uptime?

[spice surge]

Yes

[arctic tusk]

are we going to want less crit if running master assasssin

[brittle quail]

i mean i know and rasha is prob the worse instance of that but it feels good sometimes and there is definetely some timing with one small add where its worth but overall should probably not focus on doing that

it doesnt make or break your dps in any situation just small min max sometimes

[scarlet spade]

is there any sims so far for the BRD trinkets?

[spice surge]

Its not really though, youre spending 5+ cp (which costs you like 70 energy to build up to) to get ~100 energy and no damage, so which you then need to spend again to get back up to where you were

[brittle quail]

dont think so, also is the kazzak a thing for sin too ?

[spice surge]

Theyre shit

Or maybe not shit, but not great afaik

The daggers are horrible tho

[scarlet spade]

tragic

[brittle quail]

why 5 cp + ? cant do it with less ?

[wheat tiger]

SOOOOOOO how is the patch next week for us Sin players

[spice surge]

Yes but then you get less energy

And its even worse

[brittle quail]

mmmmh

the best ive done are not 5 cp i'm sure and in raid you dont care about being above 150 energy so you dont need big one i don't understand why it would be worse just enough to keep envenom uptime without wasting too much

[novel star]

the idea is

[brittle quail]

maybe i'm just washed

[novel star]

you spent energy to gain cp

and then you spent cp

to gain

energy again

and no added damage

[spice surge]

Envenom does big damage

[novel star]

losing envenom casts not good

[spice surge]

Rupture on a smallie that dies immediate doesnt do damage

[novel star]

[spice surge]

Nor does it use a stack of mark

[wheat tiger]

yea im reading it. thanks

[novel star]

tldr less buttons, 6% st buff, m+ unchanged

[brittle quail]

it can with mouseover no? or that has been fix need 5cp + tho

[novel star]

1 dominant build instead of 50 options like right now

[floral ore]

anyone got a working plater script for, if no rupture highlight border ? the one I found doesn't work (worry I know this has probably been asked 9000 times)

[brittle quail]

m+ unchanged in st too ? i can't find the answer

[novel star]

probably

maybe slight loss because reprimand

but

doubt its rly anything notable

[brittle quail]

okay thanks

i betting ttk will get taken on really high key for prio...
actually i don't even know what to take out, feels bad man ttk looks awesome

[wheat tiger]

Is anything updated for the one build yet?

[novel star]

dont think so

can see it in the sim tho

[split veldt]

im a moron, can someone explaine to me how we're getting sped up?

[balmy condor]

no vv

no sang

dashing

ttk buffs dashing

[split veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-byebear-cute-bye-wave-gif-344809869674681480

[brittle quail]

whats vv ? and build change so no sang ? we just press more envenom is the tldr?

[balmy condor]

pins

[brittle quail]

ha mb

[vast loom]

do you think this changes anything about our stats i assume not really just a resim on tuesday angle

[brittle quail]

yeah probably doesnt change that much maybe crit is less valuable with master assassin idk

[novel star]

yea man haste will give you 0.01% less dps

pag

[balmy condor]

do you think this changes anything about our stats i assume not really just a resim on tuesday angle

no, I don't

[novel star]

holy based

[brittle quail]

xD

[vast loom]

makes sense

[split veldt]

are we still garroting after vanish?

[balmy condor]

the build runs improved garrote

so probably should

[split veldt]

word

[novel star]

utter despair

[vast loom]

is the deathstalker mark and capstone thingy still not letting you consume marks if you have capstone?

[brittle quail]

and master assassin so vanish before dm+ kb end again

[balmy condor]

correct

[novel star]

i enjoyed holding vanish to be lazy with mark

:/

[vast loom]

damn is that just confirmed not a bug or something?

[balmy condor]

yeah vanish for garrote and then vanish again and then vanish at the end and then vanish after, and then vanish

[brittle quail]

yeah on court might have to be extra careful

[novel star]

So you’re saying we take double vanish in raid or

[vast loom]

[balmy condor]

I mean idk, he just said vanish again before dm and kb end

bro knows tech I don't I guess

[novel star]

Triple vanish

[brittle quail]

no i meant its the retour of that vanish use

[novel star]

[brittle quail]

like in df

[balmy condor]

what are you talking about bro

[errant swallow]

Hello

[brittle quail]

well in df we did use vanish at the end of dm+kb

[balmy condor]

yes

[brittle quail]

so i mean its a returning playstyle

or rotation

whatever

my english is bad sry

[balmy condor]

it's okay your logic is worse

[brittle quail]

[balmy condor]

who is telling you to vanish at the end of kb/dm

[brittle quail]

well taking master assassin tell me that i should

[slate crown]

It makes you think you should, but you shouldn't.

You just play it like you play imp garrote now.

[brittle quail]

ho ok

[balmy condor]

blind assumptions POOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGERS

[brittle quail]

well

with the new duration

[rotund oak]

..

[brittle quail]

its at the same time

x)

[split veldt]

man, i hope with us being faster on tuesday i dont feel like im doing jack shit mid-boss while pooling and just auto'ing

[silk bane]

I think he means since you vanished last 3 seconds in 10.2, now that sin plays Ma again do u vanish last 5 seconds or w/e? i

[slate crown]

I understand the impulse, it makes sense that you would think about that as an option. It just happens to also not be correct.

[brittle quail]

well master assassin is 6 sec

[slate crown]

I thought the same thing when I saw it, but it only opened it as a question, a question that Whispyr has already answered.

[brittle quail]

and just tried it first improved garrot goes into pandemic just when kb has 6 sec left

[pure falcon]

on higher keys should i run elusiveness instead of cheat death?

[brittle quail]

so yeah you play like improved garrote but it happens to also be "at the end of kb + dm "

[slate crown]

It's a topic of much discussion but generally elusiveness will eventually begin to just have way more value over the course of an entire dungeon

And control

you just have to play it

[brittle quail]

yeah thats what i meant

[slate crown]

and actually use feint and evasion properly

[rotund oak]

should be elusiveness yeah,on top of it deathstalker having bait and switch.. those two combined are a nice defensive layer

[slate crown]

That's in the opener specifically, which yes, that's how you play imp garrote today.

In later DMs you don't play it like that

[brittle quail]

later dm should be on the same timing assuming good play which lets be real is not possible on every boss

but ok you can just vanish early for improve garrote during a whole dm

[pure falcon]

im dying more to boss aoe rather than stepping on fire

[brittle quail]

good to know

[rotund oak]

yeah the general idea is elusiveness giving a strong on-demand-mitigation,is generally considered better for all cases

and the fact that feint goes off-gcd makes it even more convincing

cheat death wont rly be an option unless u dont wanna bother with having to press feint

or basicly doing irrelevant content

[tribal gulch]

ur never not pressing feint

unless ur in a baby key

[brittle quail]

feint ogcd best change of the patch

[tribal gulch]

interesting to see if assa will talent in LW shiv for the ER changes

[rotund oak]

should sim urself

[tribal gulch]

no way of knowing yet

[balmy condor]

what

why would we talent LW for supercharger

[tribal gulch]

is that not another application for supercharger?

[rotund marsh]

i cant for the life of me get a off hand dagger, i have a crafted 619 dagger and then a blue explorer tier off hand

[rotund oak]

?

[balmy condor]

yeah, exactly 1

[rotund marsh]

really annoying

[tribal gulch]

gotcha was not aware

[balmy condor]

it's just the same shit as without a trace

+1 charge does not mean more casts

it means better casts

[rotund marsh]

are the crafted daggers unique equip?

or can you craft 2 and use them both

[balmy condor]

should be able to craft 2

[rotund oak]

cant see mine being unique equipped

[cerulean walrus]

Just craft one with embellishment and one without

They are not unique

[sullen hollow]

are there any dracthyr sims yet

[rotund oak]

sunday-night-new-vid waiting room

[cerulean walrus]

[pure falcon]

feint these nuts

[rose needle]

So next week I'll be moving crafted pieces and in the process I'll be able to swap embellishments
Currently I'm running ascension and writhing armor branding

Should I drop the writhing armor branding for dawnlight threading?
I'm mostly in m+ BTW if that makes a difference

[rotund marsh]

ok cool, will have to wait for monday but yeah

Tuesday*

[surreal canopy]

Does the ring trick work with weapons? I'd assume yes but kinda interested

[blazing pumice]

yes

[cloud reef]

whats the ring trick

[primal quest]

does anyone have a empowered garrote weak aura to show only when its empowered?

[surreal canopy]

Craft a ring with wrong stats
Equip in both slots
Recraft ring with right stats (different crafter required)
Equip in both slots
Log out
Log in
Hero and myth rings now cost you zero gilded crests saving you between 30 and 60 gilded

Haven't tested with weapons but I'd assume it'd be the same

[sullen hollow]

it is

[surreal canopy]

Shortcut unlocked for my future rogue then

Assuming crafted weapon is good

[sullen hollow]

even if you wouldnt play crafted weapon

its worth the 90 crest to save like 150

i mean

instead of spending 150

[dapper pumice]

man im finally getting used to the rotation after a days worth of pratice lol, hit my first 1m dps dungeon fuck yeaaah

[slate crown]

!wa there's a standalone one in LE Collection below. Also most of these packs have one included

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dapper pumice]

i should have never used hekili

[slate crown]

It is a bug

So

Depending on when the future is for you

[tall atlas]

Yo is khadgar in wows first ever wheelchair

[slate crown]

Very well may be fixed by then

[slate crown]

No

[surreal canopy]

I mean the chances of me getting myth track in the next few resets is very low so even if weapon embellishments aren't bis I'd still end up crafting 636

[sullen hollow]

it was a bug since DF

and still isnt fixed

[slate crown]

[surreal canopy]

Clever use of game mechanics is the preferred term 😉

[tall atlas]

At what point do I swap my weapon out for the 2x crit embellishment. Is it after I get a myth dagger or is it specifically regicide

[gritty gazelle]

in pins it says the speed of the spec is going way up i dont get how tho looking at the changes, what am i missing?

[slate crown]

#assassination message Read responses

[gritty gazelle]

ah tty

[rose needle]

Wondering the same thing myself

[zenith cedar]

going from DK to rogue and just falling over to every dot mechanic without a feint/big heal in 11/12 keys is crazy

DK just natty tanks them

[surreal canopy]

Some dps are squishier than others I guess

Damage this season is wild too,

[zenith cedar]

DK in particular just broken on magic damage, passive 30% DR or so

and like 2m more hp

[surreal canopy]

Tis the season for haves and have nots sadly

Just gotta find ways through

[zenith cedar]

I prefer assasinations damage / rotation alot more than playing the DK thats for sure

[surreal canopy]

Yeah it's a trade I'd happily make, not that I've played either but hitting 3 buttons as dk doesn't seem all too fun

[zenith cedar]

Yeah it's not always so fun. Especially when your tank walks the pack of mobs out of your DND and you just do piss dmg without the cleave

[rotund oak]

dk is stupid strong

[zenith cedar]

100% -- it vomits stupid amounts of damage onto everything and is so tanky it makes playing rogue feel like u are a piece of paper

[rotund oak]

and funny thing is that they designed something rly powerful as a class in general in TWW

its not only frost

[zenith cedar]

Yeah the DK dev cooked on their class tree

[rotund oak]

its all 3 specs that look very good

[zenith cedar]

I think DK DPS will be like the new shadow priest of DF

Everpresent

[rotund oak]

dont wanna go into comparisons,im happy DK isnt rly a thing in high rated pvp alot and thats because mage is there

[soft shale]

and feral

thx cats for killing the stinky dead

[rotund oak]

feral doesnt have sht against dks

alone

[soft shale]

the comps they have do

feral sp feral mage destroy dk

[rotund oak]

true mage does the difference

fmp mostly

[soft shale]

i think hunter feral does too but i never see hunters

[rotund oak]

and the healer has the answer to those bleeds

hunters more squishy,dks can deffo murder them

mage is just on another lvl now

dk winrate drops to the floor vs ny mage team

basicly winning something like 1 out of 5 matches

UH cant summon his pets,they dont do dmg,all of them are cc'd

frost just cant trade cds vs the high mobility+utility mage has

[coral ibex]

are these the nerubian embellishments?

[keen spruce]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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[weary spear]

when darkest night is up do we race to 7 CP's and clear it for hunt them down damage, or play slow for envenom uptime and pooling

[lean portal]

hey guys how do you play with ovinax trinket egg ?

(you dont ?)

do you ignore and play normally and its kinda worth

or is it super annoying

[long hawk]

What’s the consensus on using fan v mut in aoe?

[coral ibex]

fan on 3

[zenith cedar]

How do I maximize DPS from shiv uses inbetween Kingsbane windows? Especially for M+ single shiv build

I can think of -- pooling before the shiv, sending a tea if I'm going to cap, ensuringenvenom uptime is 100% during the shiv duration

[lethal arrow]

side a mut in there when caustic is about to fall off

otherwise its just fan

[zenith cedar]

Similar question, when you just have one shiv, what is the correct time to send it during Kingsbane window? At the beginning? Near the end? The last 7 seconds seems correct from just a feelycraft but if not lmk

[lethal arrow]

I think and someone can correct me if I'm wrong but ideally its on the remaining 7 seconds on kingsbane

[icy acorn]

like you would send the second one i think

[lethal arrow]

Since it'l cover the peak of the KB ramp

[zenith cedar]

Yeah right, that makes sense to me. THat's a good way of thinking of it Euronics

[coral ibex]

always shiv the end of kb

[zenith cedar]

the first shiv on the ST build is just a bonus

[coral ibex]

you add the front end with the 2nd charge

[zenith cedar]

So for that shiv inbetween each KB window, I'm imagining I should always be pooling for that, do you always want to send a Tea or only if y ou're like, above 1 stack?

[coral ibex]

i dont think about shiv outside kb because thats really only in m+

and shiv sucks in aoe

[zenith cedar]

Yeah yeah fair, you also have ST in M+ though and letting that shiv rot is wasted dmg

Maybe i'll check what the sim does on ST

[gritty laurel]

you always use DN as fast as possible, half your hero talents require mark to be applied (unless there's boss downtime or something like that)

[zenith cedar]

Interestingly enough, the sim doesn't send shiv at all

Only during kingsbane

@balmy condor is that, wrong? Surely you want to send a Shiv between each kingsbane window if you are playing the single charge build, right? Is there something I'm missing?

[torpid prairie]

Good evening, guys. It's my first time playing rogue, and I need help understanding the Assassination AoE rotation. I think I'm doing something wrong since my damage is ridiculously low in dungeons. What do you guys prioritize when starting a pack?

Do you spread Garrote and Rupture first? Then apply Crimson Tempest? Do you pick a mob that's going to stay alive to spread Caustic Spatter?

It seems like my damage drops a lot, and I run out of energy by the end of the pack. Also, when the tank doesn't let me reset with stealth and Vanish is on cooldown, I can barely deal any damage.

Could you help with some tips?

[balmy condor]

not worth sending in aoe

[zenith cedar]

What about ST? The sim doesn't send it on Patchwerk inbetween KB windows

That seems weird to me, you're just losing an entire use?

[balmy condor]

definitely should

send the sim

[zenith cedar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rWonKfPRZU8ugdhoUFEw4g

Correct me if I'm wrong but i'm only seeing shivs during kingsbane here

Anyways, sim stuff aside, any rules of thumb for maximizing that shiv window? Would you ever send tea there or only if you would be capping charges?

[balmy condor]

ofc you'd send tea

it's during shiv

it'

is this stupid fucking timing shit again

ugly

[quasi coyote]

yo are 11.0.5 changes based or cringe

[zenith cedar]

Generally you have it down, you want to be getting some Garrotes and Ruptures up to start your energy engine. You need that energy to blast AOE damage via Caustic.

After you get your bleeds up, you want to get CT and Caustic rolling. After you get Caustic up you're building CP with FOK and sending Envenoms into your main deathmark target to cleave off onto the rest of the mob pack. You need to weave in a mut every 10 seconds to keep Caustic rolling. During this time maintain CT and ensure there is a rupture on your target to keep applying Caustic

[balmy condor]

they're whatever, better than no fixes

[coral ibex]

here's a graphic of the aoe opener

between cooldown windows its literally just fok envenom, mutilate to keep up caustic

and reup bleeds for scent

[zenith cedar]

you mean with the sim?

[balmy condor]

yeah

pain in the ass

[zenith cedar]

the thistle change seems kind of cringe for mutilate but we'll see how it plays out