but the dps loss is huge
#assassination
rugged venture
ur doing soemthing extremely wrong if so XDD
balmy condor
shit is horrid
dapper pumice
how many should i be dumping? 1-2?
west crown
Feels like it would be a utility buff for the top .1% in highest keys despite the dps loss
rugged venture
usually 1 per KB window
vital flicker
I just want shadow dance back
balmy condor
Feels like it would be a utility buff for the top .1% in highest keys despite th...
that's absolute cope
west crown
feels
dapper pumice
usually 1 per KB window
word, think i just think my cd window is longer than it is xD
im just practicing on the dummies right now
turbid pike
don't need utility if everything is dead 
rugged venture
u got ur poisons applied?
west crown
don't need utility if everything is dead <a:smart:563888662362718212>
Let the FDK do that
rugged venture
no poison, no energy regen
runic hinge
remember in df when people were dropping iron wire for 1%
vital flicker
People still drop iron wire but it's for double shiv wish is an actual joke
dapper pumice
u got ur poisons applied?
oh fuck LOL i was afk so long they ran out
runic hinge
without the silence 
dapper pumice
no poison, no energy regen
ok yeah, much better LOL
is 10s reamining on deathmark a good time to start ramping up?
rugged venture
ramping up?
balmy condor
do a kickflip
dapper pumice
barrel roll?
sharp lily
Its a good time to make sure your rupture and garrote arent within pandemic range
earnest remnant
nollie 180 into nose slide
dapper pumice
ramping up?
ohhhhh i wont have to do the opener again, because ill already have all my poisons applied right
rugged venture
I think you should go check out whyspers tutorial vids
balmy condor
Its a good time to make sure your rupture and garrote arent within pandemic rang...
isn't it always a good time to make sure your rupture and garrote aren't in pandemic range?
rugged venture
and watchj the whole thing
dapper pumice
so i just hit ER>CD phase
rugged venture
cause I think thers a big detachments of understanding happening here
balmy condor
ER is on cooldown
balmy condor
shouldn't line up
dapper pumice
cause I think thers a big detachments of understanding happening here
you can say that again LOL
rugged venture
no worries man, not annoying at all
dapper pumice
oh fuckkk 55 min? LOL
rugged venture
but rather than everyone explain the basics yea better off to go watch a vid XD
dapper pumice
oh shit ur whispyr LOL
rugged venture
oh shit
balmy condor
could be
rugged venture
its him
earnest remnant
what makes you think that?
rugged venture
sign my tits
earnest remnant
strawb crab
rugged venture
watching someone else loot skardyns is pain
ive never even seen one drop since the first week m0s opened. i got a 606 version still XDD
i feel you man
sharp lily
Im stuck with a transmitter 😦
rugged venture
I tried sub cause i had a good trasnmitter. but my smoll brain cant compute the 1204 button opener
and mini game inbetween
dapper pumice
i got a transmitter too, but after learning all these details about the rotation, i dont think i can fuckin jump 3 times in between
rugged venture
honestly, transmitter just feels bad
earnest remnant
transmitter is chill
rugged venture
its too good not to use
earnest remnant
just have a WA tell you what to do
rugged venture
but i dont like it
rugged venture
u know whats a fuckin feels bad
getting an orb on ulgrax
and watching the orb fall off the edge
dapper pumice
right now, transmitter is just a 2% diff in dps, i'll use it when its like 5% diff
rugged venture
or sikran
vital flicker
They should just bring back the original transmitter from beta so that nobody uses it
earnest remnant
-.-
rugged venture
ur not wrong
dapper pumice
i always just tilt it so its slgihtly out of the group
rugged venture
IQ diff
sharp lily
Or Blizz could just not make stupid trinkets that are really good
wise gull
ive never even seen one drop since the first week m0s opened. i got a 606 versio...
me too lol but i'm using transmitter
earnest remnant
but like just have both options?
dapper pumice
before i knew that you could aim it, it would just get fufcking lost in the raid group
wise gull
and it was a stinky FERAL DRUID
rugged venture
sin 100% less apm, and do more dam
dapper pumice
and i would give up sometimes
rugged venture
ill take a break from sub for a while i think
vital flicker
Or Blizz could just not make stupid trinkets that are really good
They should just make dumb trinkets that are really good like spymasters
rugged venture
i miss draught of souls man
and sin in legion
cool trink, lined up perfectly with opener
was 10/10 trink
rugged venture
but like just have both options?
u make me angry
earnest remnant
i hear that alot
earnest remnant
i have like all trinkets
rugged venture
ooookay buddy
oooooooooooooooooooooooookay buddy
save some pussy for the rest of us
pure moth
i'll stick with my
pure moth
i got hero spyglass and ara trinket
chilly mist
do we know the % dmg difference for st and m+ with the upcoming changes?
pure moth
yeah ran a couple just now. first one of the night the tank pulls everything up to dragons you ride.. wasnt a pretty time.
earnest remnant
2 of these things dont belong
dw my ilvl i shit as well
and im progressing queen ansurek atm
vital flicker
Well they only bring rogues for the 3% damage reduction and phase 1 so really your ilvl isn't important
earnest remnant
ahem 3.6% buddy
vital flicker
How's this patch going to effect sub on ansurek
earnest remnant
prolly nothing changes
vital flicker
Well hopefully it gets way worse because I cannot get transmitter to save my life
earnest remnant
or well might force you more into going to gnome i suppose
vital flicker
Well I probably won't see mythic ansurek anyways or if I do it will be late into the patch with tons of silken threads buffs
subtle tundra
dw my ilvl i shit as well
woahs omeone is shitter ilvl than me and progging queef
earnest remnant
nope i will not
earnest remnant
game just didn't want me geared this raid
it is what it is
0 zenith drops from mythic
steel ridge
Vessel of hatred was 800k
earnest remnant
unlucko
earnest remnant
i aint got the gold to buy them
i dont boost anymore
i spend 0 gold during prog cuz everything is paid for
so
steel ridge
Everything but the shoulders!
amber blaze
Hi, I don't understand the utility of this
each talent has already a 6 sec window added to its effect
steel ridge
12
amber blaze
so it will be 12 sec now ?
steel ridge
Yes
earnest remnant
so spending money on going from 1.3mil dps
steel ridge
So broken, how can it not be nerfed ?
Why?
steel ridge
Dw i didnt buy em either
earnest remnant
my gm pinged me to buy them the other day
told him
"feel free to sponsor them"
(he did it as a joke)
runic hinge
So broken, how can it not be nerfed ?
it's -dps and the utility value is niche
steel ridge
it's -dps and the utility value is niche
wdym, moonkir just feelcrafted its op as heck
runic hinge
it seems op for sure, i wish it was
I'm still gonna spec it to press garrote 12 times in a row
balmy condor
m+ community going from "wtf iron wire no dps" to "wtf so op we're nerfed for sure this spec is impossibly op"
runic hinge
I simmed higher by .3 today with imp garrote SS and sanguine but I ain't doing it, but these guys are willing to drop 7% for an extra vanish a key
balmy condor
built diffy bro
vital flicker
I think 7% is just for sub I think it's more for an extra vanish
balmy condor
without a trace is a 7% loss for assa
amber blaze
it's -dps and the utility value is niche
Maybe I’m missing something but when you double the window with which you gain 25% crit, can spread garrote and has no CD (don’t know if the 50% added damage is every time or only after stealth), i find it to be a upgrade in dps, and QoL
vital flicker
So just getting subterfuge and a point in lethality is like 5%?
balmy condor
7% in dungeonslice mind you, which naturally over-estimates without a trace heavily
amber blaze
But I’m not an expert, as you may see
subtle tundra
without a trace is a 7% loss for assa
you know the spec is op when you can consider taking a 7% dps loss
vital flicker
you know the spec is op when you can consider taking a 7% dps loss
People considered it in s4 of DF and it wasn't op then
It was wrong to consider but they still did
balmy condor
we also didn't have without a trace in s4 what are you talking about
vital flicker
Oh I thought those changes came at the end of DF am I wrong?
balmy condor
we had shadow dance until 11.0
vital flicker
Hmm I'm just dumb
subtle tundra
also taking such a big st hit when we already struggle in m+
yikers
maybe i can see it on a very high ara kara cause on bosses you can use vanish to spread to adds on all bosses
esp first boss since
its hard!
unreal parcel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic hinge
Maybe I’m missing something but when you double the window with which you gain 2...
You gotta remember what you’re giving up to get those points
gilded stump
Morning. qq on weapon enchants. I mainly do mythic+, am I right in saying it's authority of power on both hands?
Reading different sources and see some using authority of depths so just wanted to double check
opaque sigil
Radiant for mplus
subtle tundra
see?
that looks at logs, at what people are using
thats just the raw data
not interpreted
that website
it was telling you depths before
because more people was using it for raid
gilded stump
Aahh ok makes sense
subtle tundra
and didnt care optimizing for m+
as the season goes on people will optimize less for raid and more for m+
cause changing enchants twice is very expensive
gilded stump
Ok gotcha, thanks! Is there like a BEST source to use for these things?
Wowhead? Icy veins?
opaque sigil
Idk, with how much add padding there is in the raid
I question swapping for depths at all
Wowhead
subtle tundra
its more of an early season issue
runic hinge
Is there padding in the raid?
opaque sigil
I mean half of the bosses have cleave?
runic hinge
So is depths good for pad or bad
subtle tundra
that is true, radiant power is not bad in raid by any means
its just people defaulted to the "raid" enchant
for raid
at the start
runic hinge
I see I see
opaque sigil
Depths is good for ST
Radiant is good for cleave/aoe
something like this
btw after thinking about creating an alt, went to some other discords and maaaan
they don’t know how good rogue community lives are
all the pins in one place, always up to date info, etc
soooo good
runic hinge
Yeah this place is good. I try to play feral some times and I went in there and the most recent pin was from pre-season
grim jay
you know the spec is op when you can consider taking a 7% dps loss
I mean we have some other specs in the game that are seemingly stronger and they dont need to take any tradeoff
😛
subtle tundra
holy fuck nine inch nails FUCKS
grim jay
holy fuck nine inch nails FUCKS
whats that
subtle tundra
music
subtle tundra
warm vortex
Would going for crafted gear next be good or should i just upgrade what i got rn?
Or should i just sim m+ drops at the highest they can be or summin
warm vortex
Goblin kinda stinky
:(
warm vortex
you know, noone can see the ilvl
Any way to enable that in bliz ui
bronze pike
Would going for crafted gear next be good or should i just upgrade what i got rn...
spicy goblin rogue
warm vortex
im dumb
opaque sigil
Try vulpera next time
subtle tundra
Any way to enable that in bliz ui
you get an addon
warm vortex
Head is 636
neck 619 hero
shoulders 623 myth
cloak 626 hero
chest 623 myth
Wrists 636 emebllished
hands 619 hero
belt 636
legs 619 hero
boots 619 hero
ring 1 619 hero
ring 2 619 hero
trink 1 626 hero
trinik 2 619 mythic
weapon 1 636 embelish
wep 2 619 hero
grim jay
id personally upgrade
but I might be wrong
you have unupgraded myth pieces
and upgrading them is cheaper than crafting
warm vortex
Yea i just noticed that im literally stupid
subtle tundra
as long as you can upgrade mythic track, you dont craft
warm vortex
Yeye will do
amber blaze
You gotta remember what you’re giving up to get those points
which are ?
warm vortex
TBh i can prolly max them
was doing nothing but GB for the last week or so
knotty canopy
Is wax still bugged when you die?
warm vortex
Just have been forgetting to upgrade
grim jay
Just have been forgetting to upgrade
I usually open vault on wednesday and raid reclear on wednesday evening
if I didnt get anything new I craft
if I did get smth new I upgrade
warm vortex
Fairs
subtle tundra
whispyr is writing a novel again
sleek cargo
Hello Whispyr
grim jay
whispyr is writing a novel again
thought maybe the tldr for the patch
or the new builds
sleek cargo
so if we spec subterfuge in 11.0.5 we get 12 sec to iron wire and rupture? 🙂 me likey
warm vortex
But yea sorry for being an idiot everyone :)
At least i asked and did smth better than what i was going to do
subtle tundra
so if we spec subterfuge in 11.0.5 we get 12 sec to iron wire and rupture? 🙂 me...
sure you can
isnt recommended, but no ones stopping you
sleek cargo
damn, i was hoping it was a viable option, its a nice quality of life thing
dont want to gimp my damage too much
subtle tundra
at the end of the day, you need to enjoy yourself
novel star
whispyr is writing a novel again
reading this message 4 minutes late
and the typing… text is still there
he’s cooking
subtle tundra
if playing it means you have more fun, then go ahead
fallen arch
‘Ok’ incoming
sleek cargo
WALL OF TEXT CRIT incomming
subtle tundra
i feel like with reworked ER, arterial precision in dungeon should be better
novel star
does he know?
subtle tundra
cause you want to use shiv in aoe
novel star
sullen phoenix
guys is it true that assassination doesnt benefit as much as other dps specs in m+
fallen arch
What
subtle tundra
yes that is true
subtle tundra
buddy you have an incomplete sentence
fallen arch
Benefit from what
fallen arch
Oh
novel star
subtle tundra
maybe
subtle tundra
assa is less bursty but higher outside of burst
sullen phoenix
i saw comment so just tought to ask :D##
fallen arch
50% ebon might tyvm
subtle tundra
shouldnt be a big difference regardless
sullen phoenix
to know if is better to play with other 2 dps or 1 dps 1 aug
fallen arch
you play aug for surviving
This
novel star
aug just makes it possible to survive shit like 2 key levels earlier
it’s never for damage
sullen phoenix
got it
subtle tundra
aug is less dps than 3rd dps
novel star
fallen arch
I’m getting anxious abot this Whispr guy still typing
dapper pumice
i just did my first dungeon with no hekili and watching whysper's video
subtle tundra
WHISPYR PRESS CTRL + R
dapper pumice
god damn that was rough made so many mistakes lol
royal lantern
I’m getting anxious abot this Whispr guy still typing
its a screamer now
chilly mist
i wonder if he ever just "adadadadadadadad" to scare us
quartz osprey
Must be a pin about how 12s of iron wire not worth taking subterfuge
sleek cargo
maybe he fell asleep at the keyboard and his head is on it spamming keys
serene solar
I’m getting anxious abot this Whispr guy still typing
sleek cargo
serene solar
All this and he just says like "hey yall"
oak eagle
All this and he just says like "hey yall"
it wouldnt be that, he doesnt say that
he says "hiya"
serene solar
Facts actually. My b
oak eagle
JESUS WHISPYR, JUST HIT ENTER
inner rapids
bro is cooking
sleek cargo
imagine if his power went out
vale lantern
sleek cargo
thats what im saying....if his power went out before he got to press enter
balmy condor
11.0.5 Patch info
This is all very rough still, take it with a grain of salt. Sims I'm sharing here are VERY unstable and I'm overriding a laundry list of spell effects because PTR is an absolute mess and doesn't have any of the tier changes from 2 weeks ago and it's just a pain but people keep asking so I have to say something dont @ me
We're gonna do it in a Q&A style and go from there
Where Video?
Right here
SIMS???? SIMS? WHERE SIMS???? HELLO? WHISPYR? SIMS?? NUMBER???
Aight you gremlin, but I'm not explaining more than what's here, figure it out yourself I cba
Single Target
Cleave Dslice (better boss dam)
Hybrid Dslice (better overall)
M+ Build Comparison on an example 14 Mists
M+ Build Comparison on a 3 min ST Boss
TLDR is this is around +6% in ST, Neutral in dungeons
Is Subterfuge good?
No. It's still a 7% dps loss by every conceivable metric (and much much worse in dungeonroute). People will continue to play it for Iron Wire as they have before
Is Twist the Knife good?
Yes, mainly in single target. Getting a point for it in m+ builds is difficult
I hate tea change!!!!!!!!!!! Whispyr the sim is playing to avoid tea you said it would be okay!!!!!!!!!! THE GAME SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
Get over yourself, it's a 0.2% optimization in sims, just press buttons you'll be fine
What even is pooling anymore
You and me both man. In plain text atm the logic is 3 pronged and not fully cooked. If you answer yes to any of these questions, spend energy:
- Are you in cooldowns? (Darkest Night up counts)
- Is Kingsbane not coming up in 6 seconds and can you clip envenom with 1s left? (this is sketch cause the APL can't support TTK)
- Are you above 70% (40% with sanguine blades) energy?
With the speed of assa going WAY the hell up in 11.0.5, you basically can ignore all of this and just kinda do whatever as long as you have energy for non-dm kbs and maintain envenom. Another instance of "just push buttons"
Supercharger?
Yeah so supercharger is fine, nothing crazy. Builds are taking 2x lethality though and I'll let the secret out, but Kingsbane is currently double dipping the effects of lethality, so that's cool. You can play Forced Induction if you really want though, it's chill
Master Assassin in Single Target WeirdChamp
Funny thing about this is that Improved garrote actually kinda sucks, but it's being used as a travel node to get to master assassin cause that's actually pretty good (and lethality double dip 
) We don't really “play around master assassin” as of now, if your refresh imp gar during opener and then cast stuff on cooldown, its imp gar uptime during deathmark and it lines up and naturally hits the end of kingsbane and it JustWorks™️ or whatever
Where Vicious Venoms
Twist the Knife wants more energy and vicious venoms is less dps per energy eaten than sanguine blades (which is also a totally reasonable talent in single target over internal bleeding if you'd like). But because Envenom uptime can go to 200% and we want master assassin, and we want twist the knife, the points gotta come from somewhere and vicious snapped for it.
Where's the 75 talent builds from before the patch?
They're still kinda there, but twist the knife is so bonkers that it actually took like 7 builds out back and we're going more cookie cutter now. Idk
sleek cargo
1st
chilly mist
copper hazel
HOLY
sleek cargo
we witnessed the birth of a new pin!
oak eagle
we did
subtle tundra
lol supercharger 1/2 points for m+
nice meme blizzdong
lethality is better than capstone
balmy condor
HOLLLLLLLLLLD ME NOWWWWWWWW IM SIX FEEET FROM THE EDGE AND IM THINKING MAYBE SIX FEEET AINT SO FAR DOOOOWNNNN
honest pelican
I was here
marble hemlock
HOLLLLLLLLLLD ME NOWWWWWWWW IM SIX FEEET FROM THE EDGE AND IM THINKING MAYBE SIX...
Hi.
rotund oak
Got the Dawnbreaker crystal at last,fairly easy like 12 runs in
seen skadryns drop twice lost it on rolls 😦
rotund oak
GB jail gonna be real
novel star
does this to u
rotund oak
https://fixvx.com/QuinDeer/status/1833525326481396176
this is beautiful 😍
grim jay
HOLLLLLLLLLLD ME NOWWWWWWWW IM SIX FEEET FROM THE EDGE AND IM THINKING MAYBE SIX...
is that what dropping scent and sd does to you?
novel star
# [11.0.5 Patch info](<https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24145980/...
playing around autotea smaller optimization than CT ST
serene solar
yo whispyr, I hope you know we appreciate all the work bro. I don't envy you lol
honest pelican
seen skadryns drop twice lost it on rolls 😦
I picked up a leech changeling hero track today for a random monk and my rogue got a second hero track eyeglass with nobody to trade it😢
rotund oak
I picked up a leech changeling hero track today for a random monk and my rogue g...
lmao
honest pelican
Hoping my good karma comes around Tuesday
rotund oak
i jsut want a skadryns,other than that whatever comes from vault is welcome tbh
im gonna work on my ilvl and stat cooking my glad push on my mage
grim jay
i jsut want a skadryns,other than that whatever comes from vault is welcome tbh
I dont want sac or spyglass
💀
lone lantern
GB jail gonna be real
im 14 runs deeps. halp. on the monk i got it in the first +7 i did. Also got it 2 more times and traded to people
rotund oak
im 14 runs deeps. halp. on the monk i got it in the first +7 i did. Also got it ...
yeah im somewhere along those lines i think im like 5-7 runs in but its looking grim
could prolly smash 7s now though,got big wpns and a good trinket 620+
grim jay
I already didnt like the 90 crests per craft for 636 on main bcs it felt wasted somehow
but holy is it tedious
on an alt
honest pelican
I've seen8 or so hero sacbroods in my guild groups and never got one. Now thay everyone but me has one none are dropping and there's very little interest in doing ara keys because it's so easy
Not a single toon of mine has a sac over vet track ever. My rogue is lucky though both hero spyglass and skardyn so not to worried about him
grim jay
Not a single toon of mine has a sac over vet track ever. My rogue is lucky thoug...
my mage has a myth track one
wild hound
Does anyone know how to make plater set like an icon or something on my focus target? like a yellow marker inside the health bar or smth?
warm vortex
Dude fuck necrotic wake
arctic crest
@balmy condor I don't have Monster but I'm sending you the energy I carefuly safed for my KB window! Hang in there
warm vortex
# [11.0.5 Patch info](<https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24145980/...
Tbh ive read through it and i still feel bewildered
orchid pewter
crystal is just the best
Idk my ritual knife still sims better
Crystal would be better on myth track i guess
grim jay
Idk my ritual knife still sims better
im talking about myth track ye
orchid pewter
Ok, sounds about right
past panther
were your flabbers gasted
grim jay
Ok, sounds about right
we heroic knife guys dont care about hero track m+ trinkets
AIMIRITE?
bronze pike
If I was a worm
rotund oak
no target based stuff
there is something special 
bronze pike
Would u guys still like me?
grim jay
Would u guys still like me?
I would hug you
bronze pike
I would hug you
Poggies
quiet oar
we heroic knife guys dont care about hero track m+ trinkets
Me and @royal lantern the Myth track Skardyns and Sacbrood guys, can confirm we dont care about hero track m+ trinkets
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> I don't have Monster but I'm sending you the energy I car...
ty
grim jay
Me and <@346293680883236864> the Myth track Skardyns and Sacbrood guys, can conf...
I'd personally take knife over sac
because fucking sac
disgusting
rotund oak
Me and <@346293680883236864> the Myth track Skardyns and Sacbrood guys, can conf...
myth track sac 
ild rob u from ur skadryns though
haughty verge
it does go try no,w
rotund oak
if u do out of combat on transition and press stealth yeah why not
golden loom
was watching Kush do the meld thing on GB, looked interesting
rotund oak
but pressing meld to restealth maeks no sense
golden loom
dodging the spike with meld
green rivet
hi, tldr assa getting stornger?
rotund oak
ah u mean the general dude,nvm
balmy condor
absolutely zero fine aswell? the black one with blue
anything to keep me going
eternal quail
I have a M+ trash pack question to anyone interested.
in the specific situation where the tank is chain pulling 5+ more adds while I'm unstealthed, vanish is on cd, DM + KB are on cd, should I be focusing on doting everything, or sending 5+ cp envenoms into the caustic target?
green rivet
assa getting stronger? or just the same?
rotund oak
in the specific situation where the tank is chain pulling 5+ more adds while I'm...
fok=>tab rupture till 5 scent stacks iirc
u need them stacks
and garrote on cd ofc
grim jay
anything to keep me going
btw, ignoring the stability thing, if things stay as is would you personally recommend the cleave dslice or hybrid dslice going forth?
balmy condor
assa getting stronger? or just the same?
balmy condor
btw, ignoring the stability thing, if things stay as is would you personally rec...
probably still hybrid
royal lantern
oh god
wall of text
time to read it
balmy condor
cleave is reasonable but based on some quick dungeonroutes
it's uh
not looking hot
probably just a cook for boss dam and cope that you're more useful
same with subterfuge
sharp viper
holdup, transmitter instead of skardyns in the ST sim? does the sim hold it for 2nd deathmark?
balmy condor
holdup, transmitter instead of skardyns in the ST sim? does the sim hold it for ...
the gear is irrelevant, but yes
grim jay
not looking hot
sounds fine, not playing scent kinda doesnt feel right imo
wanton field
!platers
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
sharp viper
the gear is irrelevant, but yes
just surprised to see it there
eternal quail
fok=>tab rupture till 5 scent stacks iirc
thanks
balmy condor
just surprised to see it there
it's always been roughly equal to skardyns
royal lantern
allright whip, i know stupid question, but would double lethality be played even WITHOUT the kingsbane interaction
sharp viper
it's always been roughly equal to skardyns
interesting, but it's more of a PITA compared to skardyns
eternal quail
fok=>tab rupture till 5 scent stacks iirc
@ bigboy @balmy condor
sharp viper
https://tenor.com/view/shin-jimin-jimin-whip-whiplash-whipping-gif-12463359
is that whip-syr?
grim jay
is that whip-syr?
yes, minus the cat ears
royal lantern
is that whip-syr?
stop
grim jay
his outfit is more like catwoman
sharp viper
rotund oak
now he's gonna nuke me
balmy condor
idfk man hit buttons
balmy condor
I ain't reading all that
royal lantern
now he's gonna nuke me
i learned yesterday that its forbidden by law in germany to blow up a nuke
thank god we have laws for that
eternal quail
all cd's on cd. tank pull 5 more adds while unstealthed. send help
grim jay
i learned yesterday that its forbidden by law in germany to blow up a nuke
bro what, ive been a criminal all my life
rotund oak
thank god we have laws for that
bruh i dont trust no one outside my dog
royal lantern
bro what, ive been a criminal all my life
ye same
rotund oak
dem nukes gonna blow up in my head
balmy condor
all cd's on cd. tank pull 5 more adds while unstealthed. send help
get bleeds for energy and send caustic like you would on any other pack
quartz shoal
i was reading the darkest night tooltip and couldnt figure out why it would make me wanna use garrote on opener with a proc? (sorry am new)
marble hemlock
i was reading the darkest night tooltip and couldnt figure out why it would make...
because casting a 7cp envenom will get you to apply deathstalkers mark, so you dont need ambush to do it
quartz shoal
oh so that garrote just ensures you get all the combo points you need
eternal quail
oh so that garrote just ensures you get all the combo points you need
while spreading it, yeah
marble hemlock
ambush is just a terrible button to press when youre fighting a bunch of mobs
quartz shoal
gotcha
marble hemlock
so that garrote has a lot more value, even if it means youll apply the mark slightly delayed until you cast your first envenom
rotund oak
oh so that garrote just ensures you get all the combo points you need
u just get emp bleeds and spreading them with indiscriminate carnage while at it and u can dump a 7cp envenom to trigger darkest night and get ur mark while at it
its basicly a well designed rotation
tidal linden
im crafting everforged dagger 636 for main slot, crit&mast and ascension or smth else? i dont writhin armor binding on my wrists.
wild hound
Do modifier macros still work? Like "key" casting kick on main target, shift+key casting on focus target etc?
restive spire
kablooey
grim jay
im crafting everforged dagger 636 for main slot, crit&mast and ascension or smth...
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
quartz shoal
so why wouldn't you wanna do that even without darkest night proc? not worth for a full combo point envenom without the proc?
grim jay
so why wouldn't you wanna do that even without darkest night proc? not worth for...
you waste cp
potentially
building up to 7
forcibly
and the ratio for cp/dmg is the same
balmy condor
Do modifier macros still work? Like "key" casting kick on main target, shift+key...
why do you need a macro for that, that's just a keybind, but sure yeah
wild hound
Running out of space on my bars haha, dont wanna have more bars cluttering my screen 😦
grim jay
I knew it
rotund oak
Running out of space on my bars haha, dont wanna have more bars cluttering my sc...
u can bind stuff on bars and hide them if u want,u dont lose ur binded skills,its just not visible 😛
bleak spoke
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qgAbZfABek9VpW16bD6Bb3 hot fresh totally reliable TM ptr sims
balmy condor
running out of things to put on my bars
rotund oak
just sayin'
wild hound
Haha really? No like I dont want an extra bar taking space when I dont have to
balmy condor
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qgAbZfABek9VpW16bD6Bb3 hot fresh tota...
you didn't use a custom APL or override any of the buffs
grim jay
running out of things to put on my bars
saaaame, I still have ER on a comfy bind and I dont know what to put on it without ER, which is kinda bad
balmy condor
what are you doing
bleak spoke
you didn't use a custom APL or override any of the buffs
oh fuck
balmy condor
balmy condor
it's not even bad bait
grim jay
I could bind pickpocket in place of ER 
rotund oak
Haha really? No like I dont want an extra bar taking space when I dont have to
yeah half my bars are masked when i pvp,not even half my binds are visible
bleak spoke
POWERFUL REPTILIAN ASSASSINATION ROGUE COMING THROUGH
balmy condor
also fatebound has had 0 cooking so far because I'm waiting for ttk to work
bleak spoke
presses cold blood
wild hound
Yeah true could do that
grim jay
Haha really? No like I dont want an extra bar taking space when I dont have to
I have all the bottom screen bars
bleak spoke
also i'm gonna be real
bleak spoke
i literally forgot they were changing ttk
at all
when i was clicking talents mindlessly
LOL
bleak spoke
brainstupid
balmy condor
if TTK changes make fatebound better somehow I might throw something ngl
grim jay
if TTK changes make fatebound better somehow I might throw something ngl
relatable
bleak spoke
oh nyo
rotund oak
I have all the bottom screen bars
coz u 
subtle tundra
if TTK changes make fatebound better somehow I might throw something ngl
more cp = more envenoms so who knows
bleak spoke
i can't imagine why it would
balmy condor
like if you sim it atm with full cook it's like 0.8% better in st or something
restive spire
did the thistle tea and snd becoming passives fall through or is that still happening
balmy condor
but TTK is such a wildcard
grim jay
coz u <:Weirdge:927362417283977317>
idk every game ive played so far had 2 bars on the bottom, so I'm used to that. sidebars are just nice to hide macro and modifier stuff out of your important space while still being able to see them
balmy condor
cause until we know what the clipping rule is, both hero talents are just kinda waiting there dick in hand
bleak spoke
yeh
subtle tundra
what
bleak spoke
though i imagine the way you like
subtle tundra
dick in hand just like me
marble hemlock
can we get trickster instead of fatebound, just mnake it work with shiv or smth to trigger unseen blade stuff
so i dont get parried anymore
bleak spoke
play your cds doesn't really change much
orchid pewter
we heroic knife guys dont care about hero track m+ trinkets
True
bleak spoke
BIG TRUE SELI
rotund oak
idk every game ive played so far had 2 bars on the bottom, so I'm used to that. ...
idk man,the only thing thats becoming obvious day after day is that i need glasses 😂 (yeah im getting 
)
marble hemlock
wdym
marble hemlock
i like not getting my darkest night envenom plap because parry
bleak spoke
yeah
marble hemlock
but somehow it still consumes it
i especially like parried finishers consuming my anima charge CP; but not the CP itself
make that make sense
grim jay
but somehow it still consumes it
ye thats weird, but also getting parried is like 9/10 times skill issue
I get parried aswell btw
subtle tundra
i especially like parried finishers consuming my anima charge CP; but not the CP...
its ok now it will parry your supercharge
royal lantern
actually parried on flag is lifechangingly bad
getting my KB parried 2x on bloodbound :3
marble hemlock
at least were past the bosses now where attacking from front is kind of mandatory
marble hemlock
its ok now it will parry your supercharge
thats fine in my book
at least its still a finisher after
but i dont like hitting a 3cp envenom and then having to realize it got parried and mentally accept that i have to mutilate again
bleak spoke
when it parries animacharge you really stare at the screen
marble hemlock
with supercharge you just send envenom again after
bleak spoke
and you're like man what did i do to deserve this 
balmy condor
fatebound burst is so cooked though im ngl
bleak spoke
i kinda wonder though if the way you play supercharger is to finish on 3 when you're not tdn
subtle tundra
💀
bleak spoke
to progress your mark
subtle tundra
fatebound burst is so cooked though im ngl
back to PeeAy spec?
subtle tundra
make you mad
i liked the sub and outlaw ones more though, its better to use on tank
bleak spoke
to be fair it's probably a good thing
marble hemlock
have you seen PI values?
idk im topping meters on pull, clearly that means i should get PI too 
knotty canopy
Is wax still bugged when you die while applied?
marble hemlock
if another class wth PI isnt even beating my burst
balmy condor
to be fair, with fatebound and big fatebound number, we would get PI before warlock
balmy condor
just need to also beat out arcane, feral, frost, enhance, survival, windwalker, fire mage, unholy, and bm hunter
grim jay
is lock PI beans rn
its mid
balmy condor
lets fucking go
balmy condor
ww pi isn't even top 3
marble hemlock
honestly
grim jay
god damn that sounds wrong
I mean they stack quite some haste
with the haste changes
on them
marble hemlock
the fact that PI is good for BM should be illegal
bleak spoke
yeh it's fried
subtle tundra
they arent even a burst spec
marble hemlock
any pet class should inherently be a bad haste class, dont @ me
grim jay
any pet class should inherently be a bad haste class, dont @ me
seli indirectly hating on the pi king for most of the time
balmy condor
our hunter likes screaming "HUNTER ON TOP" at the end of fights because details doesn't track their hero talent summon pet so he's like perma 200k dps down on details
marble hemlock
fuck DKS too
grim jay
bleak spoke
our hunter likes screaming "HUNTER ON TOP" at the end of fights because details ...
wat
grim jay
hey blizzdong make the dot spec do damage with dots
but its the poison and bleed spec
and envenom is a poison
bleak spoke
is it with the other tree
bleak spoke
yeah
crisp stream
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal lantern
the fact that PI is good for BM should be illegal
mate, so many things about BM are
the fact that BM players complain about BUTTON BLOAT cus killsshot and dire beast are part of the rotation
iss legit mindblowing
high basin
Hallo people. Anyone has a good weak aura package for rogues.
I'm looking for the full thing so combo points, energy bar, buffs, cds and hero talent tree.
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
bleak spoke
i'm pretty sure killshot isn't even good on bm atm
static fossil
!up
prisma monolithBOT
bleak spoke
oh looks like they do press it
high basin
woah so many choices. Time to make some coffee and test. where do i check these available commands?
bleak spoke
idk killshot's one of those executes that are like
bleak spoke
are you simming on mimiron
final wolf
can rogues permenantly sharpen their daggers or is it the like the mana oil? saw someone with sharpened blades and i cant find them
subtle tundra
HAHA YES
bleak spoke
it's cuz echoing point changes
subtle tundra
ty
bleak spoke
lmfao
subtle tundra
youre right
bleak spoke
were you trying to sim normal
balmy condor
can rogues permenantly sharpen their daggers or is it the like the mana oil? saw...
whetstones
bleak spoke
and then you went ptr sim by accident
high basin
can rogues permenantly sharpen their daggers or is it the like the mana oil? saw...
ye they give raw ap
bleak spoke
final wolf
is it better than mana oil?
balmy condor
yes
high basin
expensive though
final wolf
damn i got 225 gold to my name 😦
bleak spoke
are there preliminary ttk sims or is the logic still not in
balmy condor
the sims have ttk
glacial crypt
fuck rogue too atm
most real shit speak your truth 🙏
balmy condor
did you open them
balmy condor
2 hours per
agile wedge
oh i see
final wolf
wait the whetstone is there forever? 😄
i just didnt see the timer on the rogues whetstones so i thought it was like a permenant thing
halcyon grail
our hunter likes screaming "HUNTER ON TOP" at the end of fights because details ...
I feel like that's a raid guarantee, someone comments about how they're top of the meter, or 'blasting' and the rest of the raid looks and says "what the hell is this fella on? He's like fifth."
warm vortex
Assa gonna be buffed or nefred overall with the changes? Or remain p much the same?
grim jay
most real shit speak your truth 🙏
idk I dont see how current gameplay could possibly we worse than older gameplay
like SL was kinda cool
balmy condor
Assa gonna be buffed or nefred overall with the changes? Or remain p much the sa...
read pins
grim jay
but not in a good shape at all
bleak spoke
@balmy condor have they fixed flensing btw
fallen arch
@balmy condor where do I send monster ultras
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> where do I send monster ultras
do you do international shipping
warm vortex
Oh nice st buff
fallen arch
Sure
grim jay
BLIZZARD WTF
dont think they even care
bleak spoke
i just
grim jay
they still have bigger issues to fix
bleak spoke
i mean i understand and i'll still take bait and switch for actual relevant content or whatever but
it's like
it just feels dumb
warm vortex
Also
if ayone ever wants to have their mood ruined just pug necrotic wake
grim jay
rise of fatebound when they fix that
wait until they buff something to compensate
for the fix
warm vortex
Dreadful
bleak spoke
flensing's currently like 1.7-2.2%ish on pure single for me like idk like
balmy condor
yeh that's reasonable
bleak spoke
i guess the longer the fight the more it is cuz of ambush procs
grim jay
oh it really is
bleak spoke
not proccing it
balmy condor
what
grim jay
I thought more of it as 1% somewhat
balmy condor
do we know how percentages work
steel ridge
that pinned message is pure whispyr gold
bleak spoke
well i imagine on a longer fight you muti more
grim jay
do we know how percentages work
only if it comes to money
balmy condor
???????
subtle tundra
well the sims dont have flensing knife
balmy condor
what is bro cooking
bleak spoke
relative to the pool of total mutis vs ambush casts
balmy condor
what
bleak spoke
cuz if it's a shorter fight you'll end up in execute for a longer period
balmy condor
what
bleak spoke
and ambush doesn't proc it
subtle tundra
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
balmy condor
what
subtle tundra
AAHHAHAHA
bleak spoke
am i crazy?
winged quail
yes
subtle tundra
AHAHHAHA
balmy condor
siri, how long is 35% hp
grim jay
am i crazy?
subtle tundra
😂
balmy condor
alexa, quantify 35% hp in seconds
subtle tundra
shouldnt zoldyck be better aswell the longer the fight?
bleak spoke
well, i don't think so
hardy dawn
Yo guys i have a newbie question, Deathmark only works with bleeds u applied after you cast it or also on ones u had on the target before?
subtle tundra
AHAHHAHAHA
grim jay
shouldnt zoldyck be better aswell the longer the fight?
if half your raid dies at 35%, maybe
balmy condor
well, i don't think so
bro you cannot be for real
bleak spoke
am i stupid
balmy condor
Yo guys i have a newbie question, Deathmark only works with bleeds u applied aft...
both
royal lantern
do we know how percentages work
if number before the funny % symbol is bigger, its better
bleak spoke
i might be stupid
grim jay
if number before the funny % symbol is bigger, its better
what about nerfs?
subtle tundra
you are definetly funny
royal lantern
what about nerfs?
dooming
balmy condor
am i stupid
how long is 35% hp
bleak spoke
yeah you're right
i'm actually just dumb
i guess a shorter fight would have a larger variance cuz of natural blindside procs, but on avg it doens't change
i really am just dumb
ashen scroll
Whispyr how much sleep have you gotten recently
balmy condor
HOLD ME NOWWWWWWWWWWW IM SIX FEET FROM THE EDGE AND IM THINKIIIIIING MAYBE SIX FEEEEEET AINT SOOOOOOO FAAAAAAAAAAAR DOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN
subtle tundra
hold my hand and pound my ass
bleak spoke
good point i haven't slept yet, i totally wouldn't have believed this if i had enough sleep
grim jay
how long is 35% hp
thats 2.9cm on my screen sir
glacial crypt
hold my hand and pound my ass
you what
balmy condor
Whispyr how much sleep have you gotten recently
in the last 2 days maybe 10 hours
hot fulcrum
2 hours per
wait, so whetstone is 2h and not 1h as mentioned in tooltip?
balmy condor
good sleep
balmy condor
wait, so whetstone is 2h and not 1h as mentioned in tooltip?
yes
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/26hIBHM.png regardless i think this is fucking crazy
subtle tundra
thats 2.9cm on my screen sir
you didnt have to do that you know
you can just meansure full hp bar and do 35% of it
bleak spoke
like
subtle tundra
but nice effort
bleak spoke
like that is way too much
grim jay
you didnt have to do that you know
you can just meansure full hp bar and do 35% ...
what if I told you I immediately nailed the 35%
bleak spoke
ashen scroll
in the last 2 days maybe 10 hours
balmy condor
aight that's my queue to leave
glacial crypt
if you stay i'll send monster
balmy condor
I have a video somewhere of my first time shotgunning a drink and it was a monster
grim jay
https://tenor.com/view/drink-chug-monster-energy-energy-drink-balaclava-gif-1746...
what a fucking waste
holy
balmy condor
but I didn't have like a key or anything
so I had to make a hole with a screwdriver
it was jank
subtle tundra
i wish i could chug drinks
bleak spoke
also, wrong channel obviously but like flensing not proccing on gloomblade is 
subtle tundra
my gag reflex...
balmy condor
I can train your gag reflex varas
grim jay
glacial crypt
my gag reflex...
practice makes perfect
balmy condor
hmu
golden loom
my friend used to bite the can to make the holes to shotgun beer
glacial crypt
LMFAO
bleak spoke
I can train your gag reflex varas
film it 
subtle tundra
m-meow
glacial crypt
AIGHT NAH
grim jay
my friend used to bite the can to make the holes to shotgun beer
just punch them in with your fingers
idk
glacial crypt
MAYBE THE LEAVING QUEUE WAS A GOOD IDEA
subtle tundra
also, wrong channel obviously but like flensing not proccing on gloomblade is <:...
stupid fucking blizzard not bug fixing the removed talent
balmy condor
MAYBE THE LEAVING QUEUE WAS A GOOD IDEA
subtle tundra
you should tune in to our raids
bleak spoke
stupid fucking blizzard not bug fixing the removed talent
i just really hate that it's like, there
subtle tundra
you get me meowing all the time
halcyon grail
What in the FFXIV is going on here..?
ashen totem
@balmy condor does the current sim api uses sprint on cd for the movspeed delve trinket?
bleak spoke
i think evasion wall is just like
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> does the current sim api uses sprint on cd for the movspee...
no
ashen totem
tyty
warm vortex
How do monsters even taste
glacial crypt
you get me meowing all the time
send a voice message of you meowing rn
warm vortex
never had one my wholel ife
balmy condor
like their cock?
glacial crypt
How do monsters even taste
shit
balmy condor
their cum?
glacial crypt
WHISPYR
balmy condor
oh
warm vortex
is it bad i knew exactly what you were referencing
glacial crypt
😭
warm vortex
i haven't thought of that fucking video in ages oml
royal lantern
cum can be a drink aswell
cum has a high amount of sugar in it
so its allready like monster
grim jay
but we drinkin the ultras
warm vortex
The secret ingrediant to monsterr
grim jay
they are sugar free
balmy condor
idk they taste like carbonated water and depending on the flavor your get it's like synthetic flavor
warm vortex
Ah alright
warm vortex
i just avoid any sort of like
carbonated drink tbh
i just have either tea or water
grim jay
green apple/orange/grape
which one are orange and grape
subtle tundra
send a voice message of you meowing rn
recordings dont do it justice... needs to be in the heat of the moment
grim jay
i just have either tea or water
I stopped drinking tea unless I brush my teeth right after
glacial crypt
recordings dont do it justice... needs to be in the heat of the moment
oho
balmy condor
the white one is a classic and I've probably had legit hundreds but I could not tell you what it tastes like
subtle tundra
after a tilting wipe, a good progress pull, a big mistake by someone
warm vortex
Also tempted to do the weekly rn on some alts just in case i get a nutty trinket and wanna play it later in the season
but the only 3 i have maxed are a lock, dh and war
and the only one of those i wanna play is arms
warm vortex
I stopped drinking tea unless I brush my teeth right after <:PogO:11601451448724...
Fair tbh
subtle tundra
i bust out he meow in vc
grim jay
the white one is a classic and I've probably had legit hundreds but I could not ...
kinda tastes lemony tbf, doesnt it ?
balmy condor
yeh
warm vortex
Ive never drunk beer or any alchaholic thing yet (minus a single can which tasted like shit)
grim jay
wait im gonna get one rq
subtle tundra
nice kidney stones youre gonna get
balmy condor
which one are orange and grape
idk their german names
subtle tundra
lmk how it feels when it busts out of your urethra
glacial crypt
Ive never drunk beer or any alchaholic thing yet (minus a single can which taste...
don't drink beer it tastes like piss
balmy condor
nice kidney stones youre gonna get
brother I'm not in it for kidney stones, I'm in it for heart failure
don't get it twisted
pliant remnant
What if you like the taste of piss
glacial crypt
this chat rn is diabolical
bleak spoke
don't drink beer it tastes like piss
unless you like that taste
balmy condor
I hope they fucking stop my heart
bleak spoke
fucksakes
glacial crypt
THAT IS NOT THE RESPONSE
bleak spoke
glacial crypt
BOTH OF U
pliant remnant
grim jay
idk their german names
they kinda have the english names no? like its paradise everywhere for example for the green one
balmy condor
oh
subtle tundra
I hope they fucking stop my heart
i can make your heart stop.... make it skip a beat
grim jay
wait but the green one is paradise aswell
subtle tundra
Rockstar
that fucker is so sweet
i got one for free at some point
and regretted drinking it
grim jay
green is paradise
did you have the red one yet? watermelon smth
glacial crypt
The purple guava one is good for the first 2 sips then tastes like shit
balmy condor
yeah those are good too but I can never find them
grim jay
that fucker is so sweet
the sugar free ones are decent, the normal one and the pink one
grim jay
yeah those are good too but I can never find them
saaaame, like most of the time sold out
ashen scroll
Nos is a favourite of mine. I think they sell them in the states?
balmy condor
they do
grim jay
my dad likes the pineapples ones
yeah I do aswell, but the black one with yellow is better
balmy condor
you can only find them at gas stations though 
glacial crypt
there's these knockoff red bull cans we have over here which cost like 39p a can
grim jay
white pineapple I think is the black one
warm vortex
Btwrandom question did they make delve leveling better at all
balmy condor
NOS is like peak "this costs a dollar and I'm paying in quarters"
ashen scroll
Coffee flavoured monsters were the only thing to give me the shakes. Those were strong af
glacial crypt
youre already on the edge of having a heart attack
grim jay
white ultra must be like citrus/lemon definitely
glacial crypt
24/7
bleak spoke
i've never had anything that tasted so artificial it was mindboggling
balmy condor
youre already on the edge of having a heart attack
god I hope so
bleak spoke
lowkey if you had it alot it started tasting good though
grim jay
maybe I should start drinking that
I sometimes do double the dose of preworkout booster
works good aswell
balmy condor
my heart refuses to explode though
grim jay
glacial crypt
my heart refuses to explode though
i can help with that
royal lantern
i can help with that
face reveal inc
glacial crypt
FACE REVEAL???
balmy condor
can you rip my heart out of my chest still beating like an aztec ritual and hold it up to the sun before squeezing the blood onto your face ceremoniously
that's how I wanna go out
glacial crypt
My face is very public 
grim jay
maybe I should start drinking that
NOS is produced by monster, can save yourself the hassle
glacial crypt
can you rip my heart out of my chest still beating like an aztec ritual and hold...
but if that happens you'll immediately die
balmy condor
thank god
glacial crypt
likethere won't be time for you to watch the blood