assassination

[thorn fjord]

Then got really heavy into sf4

Love that game

[raven panther]

also i have to admit my friends made me play throne and liberty and i just quit after reaching max level and said i cant be playing this dog poo while ignoring wow

so i came back to enjoy the best mmo out there

beste and worst at the same time

[hollow pier]

Wow is honestly in a good spot rn

[raven panther]

both games goated if u ask me

[hollow pier]

Xpac has been fun

[raven panther]

agreed

its cool man.. i also think we have more to do like we had in dragonflight?

correct me if im wrong

it feels like at least

[royal lantern]

eeeeeeehhhhh

the expansion has many many flaws

like

its soooo rushed, it hurts

[raven panther]

fr?

elaborate if u want

wdym by rushed

like buggy?

[thorn fjord]

Its better than DF

By a decent margin

Cmon bro i know you remember S1 DF @royal lantern

this season has felt much better

[fickle lotus]

Nawh wow is in a great spot right now

[royal lantern]

it builds on DF if it would been WORSE that would be truly impressive

[hollow pier]

I mean there's a lot of bugs still but at this point it's standard

Fight design in raid is cool and keys and good for the most part

Minus city of threads fucks that place

[thorn fjord]

Also true

[fickle lotus]

and NW but yeah very real

[slim pebble]

City of threads second boss can eat my entire ass

[drifting wing]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[hollow pier]

Everything about city just makes me wanna die

[slim pebble]

I love necrotic wake

[hollow pier]

Wake has improved with the nerfs

[raven panther]

i played dragonflight ss1

dsts it

dats it

this expansion im gona grind as much as i can i feel like

been enjoying it man

[quasi stump]

what the hell is supercharger

i cant find anything on wowhead

[slim pebble]

I didn’t play the last two seasons of dragonflight

Well whenever they introduced Aug evokers on

[raven panther]

fucc dragonflight lol

[fickle lotus]

change wowhead to ptr

[hollow pier]

Last season of DF wasn't a real season anyway

[slim pebble]

They ruined the pug scene even more

[quasi stump]

I will say, I started in DF S3 and this season is a lot harder than anything ive done before

[raven panther]

wirh delves or what u mean?

[quasi stump]

I really only look forward to mists of tirna scithe

[hollow pier]

Raids or m+ or what

[slim pebble]

No, Aug evokers in DF

[raven panther]

ah

[quasi stump]

M+

[raven panther]

i dislike delves tbh

[royal lantern]

the "main expansion feature" with "hero talents" is a big flop overall, most of them are extremely half baked at best, or in case of rogue actively making stuff worse

raid has the biggest case of perfomance problems we ever had and has the ussual raid desing problems while blizz just says over and over again that they wont wo them->does them anyway

almost all new dungeons are not good, dungeon desing in general is extremely stale for 3 expansions now and they refuse to change anything about that

old problems keep getting ignored

world content is still really lackluster overall

[hollow pier]

Keys def can be more challenging this time around

[raven panther]

im not happy with some one playing solo gets to decent ilvl like the guys do who grind m+ or raids

[quasi stump]

yeah hero talents are absolutely a mixed bag

like

[royal lantern]

except they dont?

[quasi stump]

its a very neat idea in concept

[royal lantern]

delve gear is in a good spot imo

[quasi stump]

but in practice its really mixed

[royal lantern]

if anything i would nuke the entire key idea

[hollow pier]

I have mixed feelings about hero talents since I also play hpal and hpal hero talents are sick af

[quasi stump]

you have some classes that can really chose between the trees to do any type of content

[hollow pier]

But yea death stalker is shmid

[quasi stump]

but some of them just arent worth using

[raven panther]

i agree that the hero talents have big winners and big losers

[thorn fjord]

DS blows

[raven panther]

there are couple of classes that benefit decently

[quasi stump]

yeah idk, ive gotten used to it but I still dont really like opening with ambush

i like enhanced garrote

[raven panther]

super blowy

[royal lantern]

the problem is that there is only like, 5-6 winners, and the rest goes from "allright it exists i gues?" to "this is actually dogshit"

there is no middle ground

[raven panther]

W take

[quasi stump]

totemic

[slim pebble]

I still think any action out of stealth should put a mark on someone

[quasi stump]

agreed

[royal lantern]

and the entire "they are shared bettwen 2 specs" idea is really stupid and forced in really akward

[raven panther]

yeah ionno cuzzo

[royal lantern]

like

[thorn fjord]

War band is a win too tho

[royal lantern]

why not make them for 1 spec but make it good then

[quasi stump]

I like fatebound on outlaw kinda

[raven panther]

i feel like they still could buff shit with updates

[royal lantern]

instead of this really akward "2spec" thing

[hollow pier]

Warband is fucking sick

[quasi stump]

yeah warbands are the one thing I can unquestionably say are a good thing

[royal lantern]

where its always obvious that its made for 1 spec lol

[raven panther]

also feel like us rogues get kinda ignored

[slim pebble]

Big true. My alt DK had 2 piece the second it hit 80

[raven panther]

or minor slight changes

Quality of life shit but like thats it lol

[hollow pier]

But gearing alts and shit feels easy af rn which is super nice

[raven panther]

by 2 piece ur referring to set piece?

[hollow pier]

There's no borrowed power grind

[slim pebble]

Yes

[royal lantern]

my only problem is that i still have no motivation to ever play an alt

[raven panther]

thats sickö

[royal lantern]

like, i rather play other games instead of doing the same shit on another class again

[slim pebble]

I played frost DK because I can legit turn off my brain and blast

[thorn fjord]

I don’t have the time

[raven panther]

hahahahahah

[hollow pier]

Don't have an alt have a secondary main 😁

[thorn fjord]

Big true

@royal lantern always on point with the based takes

[raven panther]

hes a walking dub today

[proven jasper]

Tryan been a walking W

[raven panther]

lets fucm that up rq

[proven jasper]

Based takes always

[raven panther]

@royal lantern who u voting for

[thorn fjord]

Talking hot takes where the hell has Soviet been

[raven panther]

harris or trump

[thorn fjord]

He’s eu

[raven panther]

im just kidding

oh

legend

[proven jasper]

Omg now that u say that

Havent seen him in months

[quasi stump]

I will say one thing I really dont enjoy with DS is using fan of knives in ST

[raven panther]

same

[spice spire]

Soviet got banned

[quasi stump]

cause of clear the witnesses

[thorn fjord]

GTFO really???

[spice spire]

Yes

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

Idk why

[proven jasper]

Wtf

[spice spire]

I’d you run VV you don’t

[raven sonnet]

Anyone know when to pop cds on first boss mist? Always feels like im missing some dmg :/

[royal lantern]

huh

[thorn fjord]

Where’s the bird smoking a cigarette emoji

[raven panther]

thought ur murican

[spice spire]

Yeah when he goes into the double dam phase

[royal lantern]

holy shit no

i would do bad things to myself in that case

[grim jay]

hello guy from freedomland

[raven panther]

🤣🤣🤣

[spice spire]

Dog?

[proven jasper]

Yo dont hurt my feelings like that bruh

Cmon

[quasi stump]

vv?

[spice spire]

Silence kitten the adults are speaking

[raven panther]

based EU lad

[spice spire]

Vicious venoms

[grim jay]

first wanted to support you, now I'd do the same as tryan if I were from murrica

[thorn fjord]

I’d cry if I got banned from rh

[spice spire]

[proven jasper]

Where else would i go to lose brain cells

[drifting wing]

anyone knows why i get this message when i try to import whispyrs plater profile?

[grim jay]

dh disc

[coarse shuttle]

Hi, I'm not used to raidbots sim so I thought checking my understanding with you guys. I currently have 619 [Void Reaper's Contract] & 616 [Skardyn's Grace]. I launched Droptomizer on Ara-Kara m+10 - does it really say that a 623 Ara-Kara Sacbrood will be 0% upgrade?

[royal lantern]

the chance that i get shot by some nutcase with a gun because i hold hands is like 20x lower here, thats a win in my eyes

[fickle lotus]

warrior disc

[royal lantern]

[quasi stump]

no i dont i just copy-pasted my build from wowhead

[proven jasper]

Yeah but what about the chances of you being stabbed

[past forum]

You def want Dm+KB for damage amp phase. You just gotta read the room and see if you think the key is high enough compared to your groups’s damage to squeeze in a KB on the tree

[proven jasper]

u legit have irl rogues there

[royal lantern]

passive trinkets are all really close

[raven panther]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🫢🫢🫢

[grim jay]

thats actually valid. tho you are more likely to get stabbed here

[royal lantern]

not in the UK either, god bless

[quasi stump]

someone you know is an arms warrior

i hope you know that..

[proven jasper]

Oh you are safe my friend then

God bless for sure

[royal lantern]

and getting stabbed in germany is only a real danger in Frankfurt

[grim jay]

and berlin

[thorn fjord]

Germans don’t laugh

[spice spire]

Why would someone shoot you for holding hands

[raven panther]

oh well........

[quasi stump]

the UK is full of undead assassination rogues, they'll shank you in the street and just like

[grim jay]

I laugh all the time

[quasi stump]

fucking destroy you

[spice spire]

It runs vicious venoms..

[raven panther]

let me act as if i didnt saw ur msg

[spice spire]

Unless you mean m+

[raven panther]

peak comedy

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

Yes

[proven jasper]

[raven panther]

um road mans always depleat their keys

uk*

F

[quasi stump]

yeah im an M+ guy

[spice spire]

Oh then yeah is what it is

[coarse shuttle]

thanks, so I correctly read

[royal lantern]

its an exaggeration for the fact that i would be legit kinda scared to be together with my BF in the open in a country that is kinda well known to not be kind for that stuff

[quasi stump]

to be honest I really enjoy outlaw rogue (except when my between the eyes bugs out and i cant fucking use it even when I have enough combo points)

its just not that well tuned atm

[thorn fjord]

Depends where you are tbh

[spice spire]

Oh I didn’t even know you liked dudes.
Yeah it’s definitely exaggerated but get your point

Who gives a fuck has always been my role and should be everyone’s

[thorn fjord]

Seriously

[spice spire]

But it’s not

And it’s sad

[quasi stump]

[thorn fjord]

Whatever you do with your Willy is your business

[raven panther]

super funny with the procs im having a blast

amen @thorn fjord

[grim jay]

unless you show that willy publicly

[royal lantern]

outlaw is always a bit extreme tbh, you either like it or really DONT like it

[proven jasper]

Yeah legit completely depends where you are in the U.S

[quasi stump]

(bang)(bang)(bang) (bangbangbang) (shing) (shing) (bang) (shing) (bang)(bang) (shing)

[raven panther]

also fine if u have a big bazonga in between ur panties

[limber lion]

I really like Outlaw, but my hands do not

[raven panther]

🤣🤣🤣

[thorn fjord]

Outlaw should be fun next week

[raven panther]

sounds like fun

[thorn fjord]

Looking forward to the vanish change

[spice spire]

That area is pretty small.
I’m in nashville and I do not see anyone giving a tuck.
Some of the burbs do but yeah

[thorn fjord]

But dropping iron wire in keys feels wrong now

[quasi stump]

whats weird is that I didnt like it in DF but then I realized I could map my ambush to my Shift+m5 key and my world opened up

[raven panther]

super proc heavy but its fun im enjoying the arthritis

[quasi stump]

iron wire is my favorite part of sin rogue

[thorn fjord]

Iron wire is the main reason I’m not playing OL in keys

[proven jasper]

I live in the north and you can go just about anywhere and be fine, most of the horror stories ive ever heard are mainly in the deep south

[grim jay]

I thought it would be that you actually wanna have fun

and be respected

[quasi stump]

Fun? In keys? LMAO

[thorn fjord]

Pirate can be fun

[royal lantern]

i really liked SL outlaw, DF outlaw is just not my thing

[slim pebble]

I’m 31 so outlaw is way out of the picture for me

[raven panther]

dont be like that

[thorn fjord]

Pre patch DF OL was peak OL

[raven panther]

have sum faith

[spice spire]

Honestly it’s not that bad anymore.
Have a longtime friend of mine living with his boyfriend in Alabama and it’s more welcoming than Utah was for them

[grim jay]

sure if I could point that gun towards myself

[spice spire]

So like

[grim jay]

[quasi stump]

I will say that I don't enjoy outlaw in raid because of thistle tea

like

i dont want another button

[thorn fjord]

LDS don’t play

[spice spire]

It’s really the demographic + density of shitters

[thorn fjord]

Those people are wild

[proven jasper]

Yeah i have no doubts, most of peoples stories about the south are like 20+ years old and outdated

[raven panther]

thistle now having charges is POG

[spice spire]

LDs?

[thorn fjord]

Mormons

[proven jasper]

Most Southerners are legit some of the nicest people i’ve ever met

[spice spire]

I mean those people still exist, so don’t but yeah.
Anyone who cares is an idiot

[spice spire]

Ahh mfs too busy soaking

[thorn fjord]

Utah is wild with the bigotry

I got called a spic in Salt Lake City

Blew my mind

[raven panther]

whats a spic

^^

[thorn fjord]

Derogatory name for a Hispanic

[spice spire]

Uh

[raven panther]

oh

[spice spire]

We can’t say those words here

[raven panther]

wow..

[eager gazelle]

is this the slur channel now

[spice spire]

Even as an indication

[thorn fjord]

No no I wasn’t trying to do that my bad

[spice spire]

That’s a big no no

[raven panther]

come on

[spice spire]

Nah ur good

[grim jay]

wdym, it also means neat and clean

[spice spire]

Could just say slur

[raven panther]

he was just explaining

[spice spire]

Ik I’m trying to do the protecting thing

[royal lantern]

Paladin?

pls dont mute

[thorn fjord]

lol

[spice spire]

Context matters but seeing that it can be said is something maliciously that could be used

[grim jay]

outlaw!

[thorn fjord]

Yeah mb

[spice spire]

Actually meant to say augvoker

[thorn fjord]

Feral Druid

[royal lantern]

im calling the mods

[fallen stag]

anyone know if I can craft 2x everforged stabber?

[spice spire]

I love feral wdym

[raven panther]

thanks for explaining doe, ese

[spice spire]

Yes

[royal lantern]

yes, but no reason to do it

[raven panther]

in sparkling zero maybe

[fallen stag]

I just rolled an alt and got 4 sparks so might as well craft it?

[main needle]

any useful wa channel? or like a !wa

[thorn fjord]

You can’t stop winning

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

offhand doesnt matter

so dont waste a spark on the offhand

mainhand? sure 100%, do it

but NOT offhand

[main needle]

ah shit do i need a diff plater profile to track dots and shit

[royal lantern]

do all other slots first

[main needle]

is that the best way to do it

[proven jasper]

Offhand is stat stick, should be like one of ur lowest prio upgrades

[raven panther]

agreed with tyr

[grim jay]

yes, gj, tyran

[fallen stag]

oh ok, so main hand, wrist, belt, do you have a recommendation for 4th craft?

[raven panther]

tyranosaurus doing work today

[royal lantern]

whatever slot you are missing

[raven panther]

charity

[spice spire]

This is the most support tryan has ever had here

Incredible day

[raven panther]

im all up for the glazing

he deserves

[grim jay]

I only used it to spell his name wrong

[fallen stag]

thanks for your help bro

[royal lantern]

ring/necks are popular crafts, cus the slightly lower ilvl on them doesnt really matter much

no mainstant on them and stuff

[desert crest]

Hi does anyone know what the rule sim uses when it uses Crimson tempest in ST is?

[spice spire]

Gonna eat ur ass bud

[grim jay]

I wish you would

[spice spire]

Yeah use during mod

[raven panther]

🫢

[spice spire]

Momentum of despair

[quasi stump]

SLUR SUNDAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[thorn fjord]

Oh god

I’m going to get yelled at

[molten flicker]

is it sunday in usa

[quasi stump]

no

[spice spire]

Yellow name fitting

[quasi stump]

its thursday

[proven jasper]

Look at what youve done

[quasi stump]

all outlaw rogue players are racist that is true yes yes

[thorn fjord]

Slursday

[spice spire]

(This is a joke outlaws are lovely and I love all of them)

[grim jay]

[raven panther]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-chinese-man-pew-pew-gif-26055683

[slim pebble]

I have an old message of Whispyr saying outlul somewhere and now I can’t find it

[spice spire]

Nah

I love all rogues

[raven panther]

even better

[spice spire]

Wait the voice one?

[proven jasper]

Wish blizzard could say the same

[spring sigil]

I know it's only hc but decided to try and upgrade my parses and got a 99 on Bloodbound xD

chuffed

[thorn fjord]

You can’t stop winning

[molten flicker]

guffawed

[grim jay]

#assassination message
I like the newly added voice message

full of despair

[quasi stump]

pugging blood bound is like nailing your nutsack to sandpaper

[heavy canopy]

Hi! Is crafting a third item stupid? I've already crafted my 636 Waist and 636 Wrists, but my weapons are still only Hero track. Is it worth crafting a 636 dagger, even though it won't have an embellishment?

[grim jay]

the sandpaper would be quite useless then because you cant rub your nuts on it if you nail them to it

[quaint hull]

just sim it

[desert cove]

yes but ultimately you should sim what is your highest upgrade

[heavy canopy]

I know it's my highest upgrade, but it's a question of whether it's worth 90 crests

I understand that the sim shows what's the biggest upgrade right now, but I would also like to not be down 90 crests next week or whatever

[thorn fjord]

That’s an question only you can answer

[molten flicker]

where/when do you plan to get a myth track dagger?

[thorn fjord]

A lot of variables in play

[heavy canopy]

Pretty much only from vault, but it's almost a snap pick if it's an option, other than an S-tier trinket

[thorn fjord]

If youre not running mythic raid weapon is a safe craft

[grim jay]

I ditched nw weapon for siege myth track ring

[thorn fjord]

If you are wait on the dagger

[grim jay]

[royal lantern]

the 90 crest thing is so cringe lol

like, you legit dont craft until you have no other use for crests anymore

[grim jay]

not exactly true

[ripe orbit]

!wa

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[heavy canopy]

Surely that'll almost never happen lol, can always upgrade hero pieces and shit

[rotund oak]

hahahahhaha best thing ever

[quasi stump]

yeah idk crests are pretty cringe feeling especially with how punishing keys are this season

[molten flicker]

craft > upg imo

[thorn fjord]

Only because the community is very much about eating glue this season

The dungeons aren’t hard

[grim jay]

getting a crafted piece of 636 gear instead of a 619 is still better than upgrading 2 low value pieces

[heavy canopy]

If I'm lucky and get a Myth piece every week, that's 75/90 crests gone upgrading that - so with your logic, I'm never crafting?

[keen spruce]

More like… troutlaw 🐟

[thorn fjord]

Fartlaw

[zenith tree]

Serious question... how do I actually farm valorstones lmao

[spice spire]

Tryan is seeing specifically from a mythic raider pov

[molten flicker]

you just have full valorstones because u craft instead of upg ezclap

[grim jay]

either play the game or do stupid spore delve runs

[thorn fjord]

Dungeons

[rotund oak]

valorstone token vendor when

blizzard plz,my hunter waits

[thorn fjord]

RMT Valorstone vendor

Imagine lol

[simple yoke]

process on starting a thread about dps? can I make one and post logs myself?

[thorn fjord]

Gotta ask the soda man

[grim jay]

@spice spire can make one

[spice spire]

Yeah hi

[slim pebble]

Post your log and a green name will thread it for you

[spice spire]

I’m here

[slim pebble]

Or soda man will

[spice spire]

I can also thread

[simple yoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Tm7ZcvgbzLdPBNA Thanks!

[quasi stump]

boralus

well boralus isnt really hard its just really fucking obnoxious

[molten flicker]

cant use them without the crests which are capped tho?

[simple yoke]

Doing better than I was, but still not good enough for my ilvl

[slim pebble]

I timed a 10 in SOB a few weeks back and have decided I’m not going back in there

[royal lantern]

i decided im not going back into SoB back in BfA

and then blizz happend

[molten flicker]

don't u get 1 valorstone for every one of this flying orb things?

just fly through them all

free real estate?

[heavy canopy]

It's Resonance Crystal, not Valorstones, for the flying orbs

[thorn fjord]

zoom zoom

[molten flicker]

I just got 1 valorstone 4 resonance crystals and 2 weathered crests for one

I think?

[royal lantern]

or you just do keys and get some stones while doing it

[waxen crescent]

For tyrannical week do we play more st talents?

[royal lantern]

idk, im always capped at 2k

[royal lantern]

mate, there are no weeks anymore

[molten flicker]

don't do lower than 10+ keys

[grim jay]

also is stupid

even if there were weeks

[royal lantern]

^

[waxen crescent]

Got it ty

[timber meadow]

LOL that moment the tank you have on ignore gets invited to a key you got invited to

flashbang sry

[molten flicker]

where are you actually supposed to farm 100 titan disc fragments???

[simple yoke]

Heroics

Super fast

[molten flicker]

do they not drop in m+?

[royal lantern]

1 delve gives 33

[spice surge]

Zekvir

[safe patrol]

!plater

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[grim jay]

worldboss gives 50

if you are not in a group

[sly cargo]

Can someone help clarify getting the harbinger of the runes feat of strength? If I have champion gear at 619 will I get it or do they need to be hero pieces?

[molten flicker]

let me just solo raid boss real quick

[grim jay]

you can just be smart about it

make a group

they join your server for the time being

[glacial crypt]

can just be 619

[grim jay]

and if its full you just leave

[quasi stump]

tyrannical

[glacial crypt]

the moment you can't upgrade anything else with harbinger runes you're good to go

[undone eagle]

got dagger nerubian embellishment, do i take the craft legs with nerub emb double boost? or do i go for the wrist crit 80% ?

[grim jay]

why would you craft legs

either way

its a tier slot

[sly cargo]

Legs is a good tier piece for rogue I wouldn’t do that

[undone eagle]

just saw a rogue have it i just said it randomly u get what i say right?

the question is about the emb, not legs 😄

but ty for hencing that love

let me clarify myself, do i rather combine my dagger nerub emb with another emb double boost or do i go for a craft 80% crit one?

[hollow pier]

If ur running ascension probably just run the boost on like wrists or some shit

[undone eagle]

yea got asc

[pure moth]

You would put the embellishment on like wrists/belt. Use the tier piece for legs.( don't craft legs)

[royal lantern]

wrist or belt are the 2 popular choices

im using belt cus i got mythic wrist

[undone eagle]

yeah most likely 😄

[hollow pier]

Yea it's sorta whatever just some off piece

[undone eagle]

May I ask why not the 2nd nerubian emb boost?

[grim jay]

eww ascension player

[undone eagle]

out of curiousity

[spice spire]

@ me

[heavy canopy]

Legs are one of the best tier pieces too

[royal lantern]

dawnthread = you play m+ = disgusting

[spice spire]

!wa @simple yoke

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[feral wasp]

guys I have a question about grim batol, how did I get one shotted by 3rd boss knock-back move ?

[spice spire]

[heavy canopy]

Use Feint?

[wicked gate]

question, if you dont play improved garrote do you need to vanish?

use feint

[spice spire]

It dealt more damage than you had health

[feral wasp]

sure but does it hit that hard?

[molten flicker]

he isn't asking how to survive, just how does it hit so hard

[spice spire]

No

[viscid spear]

[heavy canopy]

I wouldn't know, I always Feint it 😄

[spice spire]

Abh

[wicked gate]

Ok just making sure, thanks

[spice spire]

Yeah it tickles

A bit

[thorn fjord]

Once I get my skardyns I’m done with m+

[pearl flower]

hey guys just a question about bis. I have shadow binding ritual knife and empowering crystal but when I sim agianst bis, it tell me to use ritual knife and skardyn grace

[thorn fjord]

2500 io is my end point fuck that

[spice spire]

What’s the ilvl of stuff

[molten flicker]

what is bis even

[spice spire]

Bis is only bis

At max ilvl

Knife cannot be

Knife is very good

[pearl flower]

626

[thorn fjord]

Isa knife

[pearl flower]

everything is maxed at 626

[spice spire]

Yeah

Most stuff goes to 639

Knife maxed out at 626

626 knife is really good

[pearl flower]

yeah I am not doing mythic raiding just slowly getting myth track through vault

but thats it'

[spice spire]

Yeah

Sim is right

[pearl flower]

ok ty sir

until I get myth track of those trinket, I use knife

[spice spire]

But you don’t need to rely on bis list until you’re max ilvl.
So just simmer makes sense and enjoy

[pearl flower]

aite

[spice spire]

Or another trinket that’s good.
It’s always just a simmer

[molten flicker]

why would u rely on list at any time

sim is free

[pearl flower]

also is there an ideal haste I want

I am sitting at 8% haste

[molten flicker]

sim

try the gear u want and see what sim does to u

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[pearl flower]

ty guys

[spice spire]

At a certain point your combination of gear gets wonky so targeting is whatever

But I’d always sim because like

Why not

Random gains can be found

[vocal edge]

Speaking of sims, we're about to start M ovinax. Is there anything that scales a bit better with the burst AOE or just sim the spatter/CT build for 9/10 mins in ST

[royal lantern]

you play the build in wowhead

that is recommended for ovinax

aka ST talents + CT

[vocal edge]

Right but when it comes to simming do I give any consideration to the add burst or just maximize boss damage throughout the 9-10m fight

[royal lantern]

you play the fight as a ST fight as rogue

just that you press CT once when addss spawn

cus its more boss dmg aswell

[hazy ether]

!enchants

[vocal edge]

Yea it looked like just FoK > CT > back to maintenance but I wasn't sure if there were any like "if it's close sneak in a bit of extra mastery" stuff

[thorn fjord]

I’m not even bothering with CT

[subtle karma]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[thorn fjord]

Might try it tonight tho I guess

[lost wharf]

If we have 2 rogues in the raid, does it make sense to have one use mind numbing?
We progress Ovi, so we aren't sure if it works on adds

[thorn fjord]

Yeah double AP doesn’t stack

[lost wharf]

Yea, but if Mind Numbing doesn't work on boss, don't we lose dps from Lethal Dose

[royal lantern]

its still applied

same as crippling poison

you cant slow bosses, they are still under is effect for lethal dose

[cyan dew]

Guys, on Bloodbound Horror when I enter the "add world" should I leave the boss even if he's with DM or should I clear DM first then change target? How much of a loss is to leave DM on boss while I'm hitting other target?

[coral ibex]

go under with capstone

[nimble vector]

Play the CT build for a bit and if the adds are dying too fast you can just play full ST + spatter

[shadow badger]

how much should i be bursting for in aoe im 625 ilvl and im doing at most 4.5 mil

but the dh in my group is bursting for 13 mil so idk what to expect from myself lol

[royal lantern]

bad advice for Mythic Ovi

you always play CT there

cus CT is a ST dmg gain

heroic? ye sure, dont need CT there

[nimble vector]

I haven't played CT on that boss since they nerfed parasite hp because those things die in 1 global

[royal lantern]

but on mythic its non-negotiable

[royal lantern]

its not about parasite dmg on mythic

[nimble vector]

but that might be a very different story for different guilds

[royal lantern]

its literally more boss dmg lol

[nimble vector]

it isn't more boss damage if things aren't alive to CT

[coral ibex]

lmfao just had a prot pally try to quad pull the first room in NW, forget to bubble, and insta log

bricked in literally 20 seconds

[thorn fjord]

Wouldn’t the talent swaps from playing ST Spatter over CT just even out?

[royal lantern]

its 3 talent points

[upper wraith]

raise your hand if youve vanished 3rd boss grim

[subtle tundra]

yes i have vanished to get my mark back 😉

[royal lantern]

and the thing is simply that you:

get the max target CT on the boss

all the CT dmg on the adds gets transfered to the boss with singular focus

all the spatter dmg gets transfered with singular focus

[thorn fjord]

Yeah but how much additional dmg is ct providing without having Sudden demise etc

[royal lantern]

singular focus actually does something there

[thorn fjord]

Ah ok

That makes sense then

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-patch-11-0-5-patch-notes-20th-anniversary-celebration-348455 get ready to be raided boys (we already knew of these changes)

[coral ibex]

the adds in m ovinax live long enough that singular focus actually does shit

[royal lantern]

does "wiped the group cus you used cloak and didnt know that it makes them swap targets in a +11 key" count :3

[upper wraith]

YES^

[coral ibex]

i was wondering what you meant

[thorn fjord]

I’m a terrorist and like to blind it if it’s on me

[tough widget]

!weakaura

[royal lantern]

!wa

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[jolly heath]

or blind our own fixated add

[royal lantern]

nah, its just the sheer amount of adds

that 1-2 CT ticks allready do more dmg on the boss trought all the transfered dmg then the "lost" envenom cast would have done

[obtuse socket]

!wa

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[thorn fjord]

You maintaining ct on boss the whole
Time or only casting when adds pop

[coral ibex]

surely only when you can get a 100% increased proc from 5 or more targets

[royal lantern]

you play 100% st, when adds spawn and get gripped in you press CT once and then just continue ST

well, FoK instead of Mut ofc

[upper wraith]

fuck is it about to be barrens chat up in here

[normal mist]

Yes...

[thorn fjord]

Word going to try that tonight

[normal mist]

Even tho we know of those changes for a while now

[upper wraith]

true

[royal lantern]

UHM IS THAT A NERF???????????

[normal mist]

FOTM rerolers be like

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-nerdgasm-gif-13617034

[upper wraith]

LOL

[royal lantern]

it says REMOVED

REMOVED = BAD RIGHT?

[upper wraith]

we need a clicker to count the fotms that join

[nimble vector]

yeah that's why I said it depends on how long things are actually living, if they're all getting 1 shot by fury warriors CDs then it isn't worth, but I imagine for most people just starting to progress it CT will be very good 🙂

[normal mist]

i can already feel... Tryan leaving capslock on the entire day

[royal lantern]

mate, you realise that CT allready doess stupid high dmg anyway right

and that you only "Miss" 1 envenom cast each add wave

[median egret]

Im hoping to get some input on ass embellishments for keys. I did read the faq, wowhead guide, and looked through logs/raider io. Most ppl seem to be taking the dark moon embellishment even though dawnthread was recommend for keys. Is it just showing ppl take dark moon weapon because they built it for raid?

For context, I want to make an embellishment for a rogue that will only ever really do M+ push keys. Idc about raid on this char.

[cunning urchin]

So im assuming the changes next week mean we cant 100% proc darkest night on an animacharged point anymore?

[spring sigil]

For mythic ulgrax do you guys take lethal / caustic

[royal lantern]

nah, raid in 10min

[quasi stump]

iron wire nerf

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

^ this answers it

[nimble vector]

you also miss imp garrote damage in your CDs on boss every 2 mins, it's not just 1 CT vs 1 envenom

[royal lantern]

mate

bro

most people dont even play imp garrote

lol

[thorn fjord]

Wait

[royal lantern]

you know that right

[thorn fjord]

So what’s going to be in place of resounding clarity now

[normal mist]

OH new Dandadan episode

[coral ibex]

imp garrote sims better for me than VV

[normal mist]

some weird stuff

[thorn fjord]

I do 😛

[normal mist]

tied to shiv

[royal lantern]

like, you say "miss imp garrote dmg" when imp garrote is not even a 100% set in stone talent lol

[upper wraith]

wait holy 11.0.5 is tuesday?

[normal mist]

22

yes

[eager gazelle]

2nd point in lethality probably?

[upper wraith]

ohhh f*ck me

[normal mist]

23 for us EU plebs

[thorn fjord]

Imp poison imp gar is ahead for me by about 1%

And it feels better to play imo

Vibes all day

[royal lantern]

imp garrote is 2% behind for me

having free vanish is cool

[pseudo cosmos]

Shadowstep has been removed. Shadowstep is still automatically granted for Assassination and Subtlety. wait what

[thorn fjord]

Its baseline

[harsh anchor]

Outlaw loses step

[pseudo cosmos]

ohh

[harsh anchor]

That what that says

[royal lantern]

assa and sub have step, outlaw has hook

[nimble vector]

if you don't play CT, you would play imp garrote on ovinax

[keen spruce]

incoming shadowstep gets the tea change

if you move out of melee range of your target you auto SS

[thorn fjord]

Imagine

[pseudo cosmos]

[harsh anchor]

Go flying across the room when a dk grips a mob

[thorn fjord]

Bring back old Acro

[pseudo cosmos]

bring back old combat rogue

[thorn fjord]

Ok old timer time to take a nap

[pseudo cosmos]

[desert vault]

Just getting into Rasha, anything specific for that fight other than hope you get zero mechanics and all boss uptime? Like cloak the second run maybe when more stuff is on the ground or first run then the spot about halfway through the fight I heard it get tricky around 3:30ish

[spice surge]

well you shouldnt need to lose uptime even if you get mechanics

Youre just moving out far to either side

[tranquil cobalt]

i dont like the tea changes. i dont get why they would even make them?

[desert vault]

Yeah that's true, I mean it is nice to not get them 🙂

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter really

[tranquil cobalt]

i mean true. i just dont get why they make the change

[cyan dew]

Say that to my RL who makes us go all the way to the back of the room instead of right/left

[pseudo cosmos]

that would explain why ur still on rasha

[royal lantern]

itss not a big deal in reality BUT its kinda stupid for a forced change instead of a chose 1 node

you always have tea for your cd windows and stuff, nothing changes there

[tranquil cobalt]

i know. i am not saying it changes anything. i just dont understand the point of it lol

[grim jay]

you got that mixed up, its NA beta testers and EU chads

[royal lantern]

reaction to redditors crying "DAE ROGUE BUTTON BLOAT??????" for years

they literally remove ER after making ER feel good for the first time since it exists

[grim jay]

I'm still in shambles

idk what to use that bind for

I might just bind shiv a second time

[royal lantern]

a UwU copypasta

[quasi stump]

LMAO like the first boss in cot?

[royal lantern]

that you press once every min

[quasi stump]

yeah ER felt good kinda bummed but it is what it is

[grim jay]

you mean like my PI macro

PI me, onee-chan! ❤️ -^.^- UwU XO Arigato gozaimasu!

[royal lantern]

yes

[rotund oak]

selfie toy

[royal lantern]

that made me sick btw

[vast loom]

do we reach KB max stacks consistently without PI?

[pseudo cosmos]

[vast loom]

or lust*

[grim jay]

understandable, imagine what my priest girl gotta experience

[royal lantern]

yes ofc, you always get 50stacks with dm+kb

[grim jay]

tho she is advanced, she tracks CDs herself

[royal lantern]

kb itself not really

[noble light]

Vault Question: Is Locket of Broken Memories (hero neck from raid) any good or should I just take Hero chest to replace my Champion chest? Both sim about the same...

[rotund oak]

yeah its 50 stacks not 99,kb nerfed

[vast loom]

my KB wa doesnt track stacks so i never knew before it was nerfed we needed PI i thought to hit max stacks

[royal lantern]

they changed KB to max at 50 stacks

and buffed base dmg a bit

[vast loom]

yea

[royal lantern]

just so that the "assa with PI does so much more" thing doesnt exists

[vital flicker]

Are any of the items from the new blackrock depths raid interesting/worth farming, or are they all pretty useless?

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

we know once they are implemented

everybunny is wild

ngl

[vital flicker]

I mean they are in the ptr right now

[runic hinge]

I hit that the second you inv me to your key, wyd?

[pliant remnant]

Ask for your feet pics

[grim jay]

but thats not really what we need

as soon as there is something worthwhile, you will find it in the pins

[teal lark]

do we have any summary of 11.0.5 changes? we getting buffed or nerfed?

[thorn fjord]

Some of us dont even have to ask 😉

[thick stratus]

Hello, dear fellow Assassination Rogues, i have acquired the Ovinax mercurial egg... so... how do i use it? Is there a calculation? Since i get Agility for Standing still and Sec Stat for moving ! Do i move? do i stand still, how do i use it properly?

[ionic fox]

keeping it around 20 stacks i believe is best

if you hit 30 its good to move

[vital flicker]

I think you are supposed to hit 30 main stat and then move until you have 20 main and 10 secondary and then you hit the trinket to lock it in for 30 seconds

[ionic fox]

^

[dry steeple]

Hello there. Can you tell me if the damage caused by the lethal mark is dynamic? I want to know if there's any impact from being PI before or after?

[vast loom]

its dynamic

[bright badger]

anyone know what this is thats showing cd on mobs in m+? its not kui, i disabled it and its still there.
i have no dungeon wa packs etc, idk how to get rid of it. anyone has any ideas?

[vital flicker]

the worst thing about this thistle tea change is that they didn't make it entirely passive, I feel like now i am just going to passively screw myself by mistake

[golden ginkgo]

We changing anything in our builds for the patch?

[eager gazelle]

stop spamming your abilities so much, you were never supposed to be dropping your energy that low

[upper wraith]

wat

[coral ibex]

imagine admitting you are a dirty fatebound player

staying above 70%

deathstalker wants to consume as many marks as possible, so it is often energy starved

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[eager gazelle]

fb master race

[coral ibex]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[coral ibex]

ah ok thats the command

[gray horizon]

Any word on the 11.0.5 changes coming up? Looking like a net positive for us?

[spice spire]

Yes

Pins likely soonish

[thorn fjord]

Cant decide whats a bigger net positive... Feint or the new 2+ cp

[spice spire]

There’s some changes to gameplay but not major

[grave osprey]

Is it October 22nd yet?

[vital flicker]

not having to hit S&D is a net positive even if it isn't a dps increase

[spice spire]

TTK hello

[gray horizon]

Yeah I was just reading through the patch notes and noticed the TTK change. You can overlap Envenom buffs now?

[grave osprey]

Effectively getting rid of 3 buttons by making them passive, so yeah, at the very least id say its good

[spice spire]

Think of it like ironfur

[gray horizon]

sir i only play rogue

ironfur means nothing to me

[spice spire]

You can have multiple charges going at once

But they have different timers

[gray horizon]

SnD/ER/Tea?

[grave osprey]

Yes

[vital flicker]

there is a chance we won't use the new version of ER if subterfuge is good enough

[gray horizon]

Ok that sounds cool. So you can clip the buff without worrying too much

[thorn fjord]

Elaborate cause you know im slow

[gray horizon]

Assume its a net positive in burst windows

[rancid dragon]

does numbing poison work on rashanan interrupt after changing place on mythic?

[grave osprey]

Subterfuge is just an extension , so we REALLY need 12 secs of dot spread?

[sudden swan]

It works with MA doesn't it?

[gray horizon]

it's more the bonus to master assassin

[vital flicker]

I was thinking master assassin

[grave osprey]

Ah

Fair enough

[gray horizon]

9 seconds of MA sounds dope

[vital flicker]

25% crit for 12 seconds

[gray horizon]

its 12?!

[grave osprey]

Is it 12secs or 9? I forget how much it adds

[coral ibex]

no, its 11

[grave osprey]

I thought it was 12

[spice spire]

12

[coral ibex]

oh MA

ironwire is only 11

[iron valve]

new MA is 25% for 6, +6 if you have sub

[grave osprey]

11 IW feels kinda OP

[spice spire]

also not gonna elaborate TTK because I’m an idiot

[vital flicker]

shhhhh

[gray horizon]

MA is going to 6 seconds, sub adds 3 seconds

[spice spire]

And pins will explain infinitely better

[gray horizon]

so it should be 9 for sin

[spice spire]

Oh it’s 9

Fuck

[coral ibex]

yea if new echoprimand sucks ill prob play subterfuge

[thorn fjord]

Yeah cause i dont get it

[vital flicker]

sub is a 2 point talent

[thorn fjord]

Like how are the effects overlapping

[late surge]

bro, how do u even 99 brood

[gray horizon]

since when?

[late surge]

do I need like top 5 or what

[coral ibex]

pretty sure you drop recuperator too

[vital flicker]

season 4 of df

[gray horizon]

oh im dumb, looking at a bad calc

[grave osprey]

Yeah look at a good calc

[vital flicker]

yeah and probably put it into lethality

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[sudden swan]

I'm still unsure how I feel about passive tea. I'm worried I'll end up using it on accident pretty frequently outside of CDs. But if it's not too awkward to play around then whatever I guess

[thorn fjord]

He just posting shit on his own now

[thorn fjord]

Its not entirely passive

You can still press it

[sudden swan]

That helps

[vital flicker]

I am guessing WIthout a trace will probably still suck

[sudden swan]

But honestly I prefer the control we have over it right now

[thorn fjord]

it only procs at 30 energy too

It wont be a big deal tbh

[sudden swan]

Hopefully you're right and I'm worried about nothing! I haven't fiddled with PTR at all

[cerulean nest]

whats the internal cooldown of it going to be? like if I go below 30 energy and then stay there, is it gonna keep proccing teas

[tranquil cobalt]

i mean the changes seem whatever. i just dont really see any of them as really good? i dont get what they were trying to accomplish tbh

[vital flicker]

not being able to mutilate below 80 energy (90 with visious venoms) is going to be tedious to manage during CDs

[iron valve]

how exactly are you spending 100 energy per second

[cerulean nest]

oh it gives 100 nvm

[coral ibex]

mutilate costs 50 energy and you can press 2 in 1 second (first at 0s, 2nd at 1s)

[vital flicker]

it can be 60 energy if you talent into viscious venoms making it 120 energy

[sudden swan]

Well presumably the thing that dropped you to <30 energy was also some sort of global so there would be some regen before you press a button at 1.0

At earliest you might be able to proc it again in 3 seconds but I haven't messed with it yet to see how it plays in practice

[agile geode]

anyone got a nice plater for assa? its a complete mess atm for me

[normal mist]

!plater

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[vital flicker]

but even if you proc it every 3 seconds you are missing out of 9 seconds of the 6 second mastery buff

[sudden swan]

Agreed, that's one of the things I'm worried about. I was just being pedantic haha.

I'm not yet sold on tea being a good thing to automate

[frozen iris]

In next patch are we sending shiv on CD?

[vital flicker]

realistically I think you just need to manage energy more until you only have 1 charge of tea and then you stop worrying about it

[sudden swan]

Yeah once you get to the point where the tea CD comes back when you actually want to use it you're chilling anyway

But sometimes I hold onto those fellas for execute or something so that's like the whole fight

[craggy hawk]

guys tell me pls is it mandatory to envenom b4 deathstalker mark and as 1st finisher after deathstalker mark even in aoe situations?

[novel star]

i believe the supercharge points stack so no

[vital flicker]

yeah I wish they just made it entirely passive and not overlap if they were going to change it like this

[novel star]

if im wrong then maybe?

[fickle lotus]

I can't wait for 11.1 where they remove the auto tea portion and go "hey guys look we're listening!"

[novel star]

but probably still no

[golden loom]

Bring back classic tea, 5 min CD 100 energy restore so we dont have to think about this anymore

[sudden swan]

I'm just not really sure what having it passive does at all. If it were correct to make it that way we'd probably all just be macroing it into Kingsbane or something but that's not really the case

It's not like our rotation is so fast we need alleviation on button presses lol

[vital flicker]

yeah that is very true, I just wish they didn't make it half passive like they did

[golden loom]

Or if anything, make it proc at 0 energy

[vital flicker]

I have more trouble not pressing buttons than having too many

[candid hull]

what to do with cooldowns during add phase of ansurek

hold?

[empty hound]

what poisions should i be running?

for M+

[sudden swan]

I usually kingsbane one of the first 2 plats depending on where damage is needed and it's back up in time for P3 burn

[vital flicker]

Tanks take a lot of damage so lots of people run atrophic

[empty hound]

instant or deadly?

[candid hull]

alright just shoot kb and thats it

[golden loom]

Isnt numbing better for reducing tank damage

Its mainly white hits that fuck them up no?

[sudden swan]

Yeah I send my second 2 minutes at start of intermission so I only have 1 minutes for platform. It's probably not needed any more in my team in particular but I think that's the best way to do it while you progress at least

[sudden swan]

You have to run deadly if you want to use Spatter, which you definitely do lol

[coral ibex]

your spec tree gives you deadly for a reason

[echo hound]

On wowhead the aoe spec doesnt run crimson tempest but some do in the individual specs fir each boss. Should you always follow the individual boss talents?

[sudden swan]

Is that the raid cleave build you're talking about? You'll definitely want ct for m+

[coral ibex]

CT isn't worth on any boss except mythic ovinax i think, or ulgrax if you are getting catered for a parse

[sudden swan]

But the only boss in this raid that really warrants it is mythic brood

[vital flicker]

Assassination on ulgrax is a joke

[sudden swan]

Just look at boss dam and ignore the padders smh my head

[thorn fjord]

Boss dmg will set you free

[sudden swan]

The fight isn't hard enough/late enough in the raid for the adds to be a consequential mechanic, just play spatter and beat up the big guys and call it a day

[scenic kiln]

being parseless will set you free

[thorn fjord]

We transitioned to private logs 2 weeks ago

[tawny geyser]

Does Loot Spec mean anything for loot chance in Raid?
Like if Outlaw goes Assa Loot Spec, do I have higher chance of getting the dagger on 2nd boss?

[thorn fjord]

i got all 97's and higher on reclear Tuesday hehe

[thorn fjord]

Nah since its not personal loot

[cobalt sphinx]

i think loot spec determines what you can roll on

so you can't mainspec roll on a mace as sin loot spec

[tawny geyser]

ye i figured

[thorn fjord]

Somebody confirm that because I dont think it to be true

But it might be

[slim pebble]

It’s true

You can’t need roll a sword or mace as sin spec

[iron valve]

it's true, you can press the need button but it puts you as [offspec] in the rolls and you only win it if no one else rolls

which, dagger, probably no one rolls 😂

[cerulean nest]

whats the decisionmaking process for M silken between sub and sin? way fewer sin logs but they seem to perform well

[runic hinge]

Yeah but you bind tea to shiv so you’re losing .4 so you’re bad

[thorn fjord]

Im the worst

[grim jay]

yes

[thorn fjord]

I dont pool either

[grim jay]

atrophic is more for the group

[thorn fjord]

[celest crescent]

!fuu

[slim pebble]

Wait I can’t bind tea to shiv?

[prisma monolith]

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[thorn fjord]

You can

I do lol

[slim pebble]

I forgot italics 😂

[thorn fjord]

I play so unoptimal lmao

CATCH ME OUTSIDE HOW BOUT DAH

[echo hound]

was referencing this article https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/nerub-ar-palace-raid-tips but i see that it was last updated quite a while ago. Anyway here the talent for example brood used CT

[vital flicker]

sometimes losing dps by playing unoptimally well is better than playing "optimally" badly

[thorn fjord]

If im not dead im doing it right and not getting yelled at by my RL

Because I get yelled at frequently

[slim pebble]

I had the worst bloodbound kill Tuesday, I forgot multiple shivs and let stuff fall off. I still did 1.2 mil dps. So I mean just go for it

[thorn fjord]

Im the guild punching bag... I do it for morale

[thorn fjord]

I dont really make those kinds of mistakes... I just use weird macro's and send Env like a mad man and I dont really pool either

Im still playing like its SL

[slim pebble]

I also slam envenoms and wonder why my attacks aren’t going off 😂

[thorn fjord]

I have the luxury of experience and that ive been doing this shit for so long that i'll always figure out how to blast lolol

[slim pebble]

I’ve played sin, since cata

[nimble vector]

sub probably better, some people choose to play assa because of downtime issues in p3 as red team I think, but if you just play sub and play the mechanics the boss will die

[vast loom]

I think once you get the jist of current sin there's a lot of wiggle room in your rotation for flavor

[raven egret]

we looking forward to next week's updates? 😄

[thorn fjord]

If you follow the main mechanics of the build and get some decent RNG you're fine tbh

[vast loom]

Yeah there's a lot of times where you have plenty of energy and you could just send a few extra envs and it won't hurt If you didn't pool but there's also times where it feels like if you don't know how to pool you'll just tank lol

[vital flicker]

not knowing how to pool is only going to get worse with the thistle tea changes

[desert cove]

yo whispyr how's the math coming along on the changes to things like twist the knife and supercharger

[thorn fjord]

Maybe... but I know how to I just refuse too baby 🙂

[lusty surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[upper wraith]

whispyr do my homework for me and take care of my kids

[granite quarry]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

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[vital flicker]

I'm excited to get a long rambling video on how to play my class next week

[raven egret]

hey it shouldnt be taht different really

[vital flicker]

short rambling video?

[vast loom]

it would be cool if twist the knife lets us do new things

[west peak]

i dont like the look of the changes

maybe its because im coming from enh but i didnt feel like rogue had a "too many buttons" problem at all

they all serve a pretty clear purpose idk

ill take feint off gcd tho

[thorn fjord]

Mans over here gonna miss pressing SND

smh

[vital flicker]

I happy that the changes don't look immediately like a nerf, it's buffing options that we don't take and changing ER (which could be a nerf but maybe the toehr talents will be good)

[raven egret]

Only thing I am not sure how I feel about is the shiv to trigger new echoing reprimand, will get used to it

[west peak]

okay that change is goated i was thinking of tea and ER when i typed that

[slim pebble]

The ER mini game never felt good

[vital flicker]

supercharging your first combo point means that if you use it that it counts as a 3 cp finisher right? that seems pretty underwhelming

[simple yoke]

It really doesn't, not when many things can generate extra CP and ruin it

[west peak]

hmm i didn't mind it too much, it was just a bit more to keep track of outside of cds

but i wont miss it either i suppose

[simple yoke]

Mind and find fault with are different, but overall just is a weird thing to begin with

[vital flicker]

ER outside of CDs was really useful for keeping rupture and envenom up without pooling

[raven egret]

Thats not how it works - it adds CP to whatever finishers you do next

[subtle tundra]

it feels really good to me

idk why they ruin it

[novel star]

as a +3

[past panther]

fuck pressing snd

[novel star]

so 5/6/7 cp finishers will deal damage like 8/9/10

during shiv

[past panther]

all my homies hate pressing snd

[novel star]

seems fine

[simple yoke]

Don't hate pressing it, I just wish it was a toggle, since it more or less is in every spec anyways

[junior patrol]

is this a bug that cloak is sometimes not working properly? first boss in NW for example when he is using heaving retch

[novel star]

that’s an attack

you evasion it

boss is cringe

[feral wasp]

you can cloak it right with right timing ? afaik

[vital flicker]

oh I just tried it, you're right thought you still had to hit the supercharged CP

[junior patrol]

but description is telling it does nature damage

[coral ibex]

skill issue

first second of cloak is true immunity

just time it properly

[novel star]

or just evasion cause it’s free

i guess you need to know both ideally

for pushing

[junior patrol]

i can use evasion too?

[novel star]

yes

evasion just works

it deals nature damage but that doesn’t matter

it’s coded as an attack that you can evade

game is bad

[stray fox]

Does envenom buff time scale with the supercharged points?

[vital flicker]

game is bad or evasion is too good

[vital flicker]

yes

[junior patrol]

but true immunity? nothing in the tooltip is mentioning this

[vital flicker]

10 second envenoms

[junior patrol]

thank you

[stray fox]

Nice

And do tea changes mean we gotta make sure we don’t dip below 50? Like try to hover b/w 50-150

[vital flicker]

it procs at 30

[raven egret]

30** but yeah same difference

[stray fox]

Oh I’m on old notes

[vital flicker]

so you can't cast envenom below 80 energy

[stray fox]

Nice thanks

[vital flicker]

mutilate**

[raven egret]

that really should've been a choice node

[subtle tundra]

hope i kill queen this week

[raven egret]

tbh

[subtle tundra]

fuck playing after patch and tryharding

[novel star]

idgaf man ima press buttons and sometimes tea will be used for me but usually not

and i’ll be happy

[west peak]

i always sent a tea charge during opener for the mast + to start recharging cooldown but i guess we wont really get to do that anymore

[novel star]

wat?

it’s still an active

it just also has a passive that auto uses a stack

it’s both

[west peak]

oooooooooo

i missed that somehow

[vital flicker]

you really don't want to drop below 30 energy while you still have the mastery buff up though unless you really need the energy for some reason

[thorn crater]

is there an ID lock for mythic?

[west peak]

makes sense, i just thought they made it completely passive lmao

[thorn crater]

or each boss is separate like in hc?

[royal lantern]

ID lock

[strange python]

Does anyone have the new echoing reprimand icon?

[scarlet wyvern]

raidbots says the Radiant Power weapon enchants are sronger than the Depths one? Which one should I use

[west peak]

trust the sim 👍

[latent badger]

yo any advice on cd usage/targetswapping during court? I'm trying to maintain rup on both but not sure if I should be cashing in kingsbane/deathmark on cd/into intermissions or saving for amp timings

[lethal arrow]

save cds for damage amps

juggling mark can be a bit finicky but you also just hold vanishes to correct yourself

[latent badger]

is it like drop dm/shiv/kingsbane just before charge or as soon as stunned

[lethal arrow]

kinda hard to do it precharge cuz that means you gotta like chase the boss during

I just send once he gets webbed

[latent badger]

assign myself to webs as melee to make sure I'm on fatso, got it B)

word I'll send after stun then

[dusty zenith]

Any new talents build after patch next Tuesday

[spice spire]

Pins likely before

[lethal arrow]

true but yeah its kinda tough since we ramp

[west peak]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/the-silken-court theres a couple public mythic kill logs on it, can see that generally ppl send kingsbane as soon as the dmg amp goes out goes out