assassination

[wispy epoch]

How much dps am I losing out on by not chaining my envenom durations?

[kindred hinge]

Yep that's an issue yes

[past panther]

tanks are scarce yes but it’s taken you what

[kindred hinge]

Low keys Q are dreadfull

[past panther]

ive been awake since 430am and its 8am

3.5 hrs to find a key?

[wispy epoch]

I have 2.5k io and usually get invited instantly to a 7-9 tank or healer group

[kindred hinge]

But once you manage to push your key to the 8 range you won't have any issues. Ask some friend to help ypou to get there

[normal mist]

non existant

[copper sun]

any useful WA for timing shiv during kingsbane?

[wispy epoch]

I don’t join dps keys…

[past panther]

make them

[wispy epoch]

Yeah, right before and after

[kindred hinge]

last week I went 8h without one 😦

[past panther]

talk during keys, join a guild

[normal mist]

i have a guild

xD

[past panther]

can’t relate, become social

[copper sun]

im only running one shiv, use it after KB runs out?

[past panther]

last half of KB duration

[copper sun]

Ok, ty

[wispy epoch]

Yeah

[kindred hinge]

There was barely any 12s last week available for pugs nothing about being social :p

[static glacier]

ive got the best solution

[past panther]

being social ensure you have private parties to run with

[static glacier]

just don't play the game unless friends ask you to do shit

[normal mist]

kinda what happens

[past panther]

ive never ran with anything less than a 4 stack this xpac be it a 10 or 4 or anything between

[wispy epoch]

Being a huge pumper does that too

[lone crescent]

is sin good in low keys or is it like destro lock where its not good till mobs live a little longer?

[past panther]

most of the ppl who I see say ‘huge pumper’ during party formations are massive shitters

[kindred hinge]

having a private party doesnt realte to sociability, but to scheduling. My work allows me to play al ot of wow but not to commit to engagments for example. I have a lot of friends to play with it's a shame they can barely do 10s

[past panther]

but my experience isn’t everyone’s

[wispy epoch]

Guilty

[cunning needle]

after some experiences with pugs

[pure moth]

Live a little longer for our abilities to do something. At a low lvl things die fast. So we look weaker.

[cunning needle]

im vetting every single monkey i think about inviting

played with a warlock who competed with the tank for damage

played with another mage who also competed with tnak for damage in mists

held cooldowns for 2 minutes

[past panther]

i totally get that and i used to be there

i used to work a rotating night shift (5 days 1 week, 2 days the next week) and couldn’t ever raid or line shit up with friends

[static glacier]

we're v good in low keys

play bleed build

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cunning needle]

worst case was the guy had most of his 10s complete except for the "hard ones"

so he was just carried through all of them

and has now fumbled his way to timing mosts of his 10s

[kindred hinge]

Pugged my way to title once. Never vetted. Better go and try than spend 30 min putting a group together and wype first pack. I have seen top players (Litterally top 1 or 2 in their spec) brick my keys. It happens no one is perfect all the time

[wispy epoch]

I’m permanently cucked by my schedule. I work 48 hour shifts on wed/thurs so no real competitive guild options cause everyone runs on tues-thurs

[cunning needle]

when i say vetting, i mean checking their RIO/wclogs to see they can breathe through their nose

not like pming people

[past panther]

that stinks

[cunning needle]

i think higher keys it's not as bad as well

[kindred hinge]

Yeah for me it is more than I can get on the other side of the planet with no internet at absolutely no notice for unknown period of time. Not great when your team relies on you to be there

[past panther]

pming ppl for fluent English is a decent starter

[cunning needle]

but like 10s where you get the cesspool of monkeys wanting for their vaults

[past panther]

ye that’s rough af

[grim jay]

there are plenty weekend raiding guilds

[cunning needle]

you get a huge range of bads

[strange python]

Do were ever press CT on ST and when? after we get Momentum of Despair and whats the prio on this?

[zenith prairie]

If we have belt/bracers/wep crafted next week should we just craft chest? Or is there a reason to stay away from that

No you dont press CT on ST

2 mobs

[wispy epoch]

Are there?

[grim jay]

wouldnt delay anything else for it, but if you would just send a normal envenom its theoretically better to CT with momentum

but its only a marginal gain

so not particularly worth thinking about

[grim jay]

sure, many people work in shifts during the week

[kindred hinge]

Weekend guild, morning guilds, late night one. You have everything available especially when there is no server limitation now

[past panther]

i raided with kiwis and aussies during bfa and it was some of the most fun i ever had

[grim jay]

what are kiwis

[past panther]

new zealand

[wispy epoch]

My MS can’t handle AU servers

[past panther]

the island that doesn’t exist on the map

[cunning needle]

new zealand doesnt exist

[past panther]

i wouldn’t want to play sub or outlaw on au ping

[cunning needle]

please do not gaslamp people

[past panther]

but assassin was fine

[grim jay]

every region has guilds like those

[fickle siren]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[frosty portal]

in m+, is bubbling wax better than wetstone?

[grim jay]

thanks eleem, was waiting for someone to post that

[spice surge]

You can count on me fam

Dad jokes up the wazoo despite not being a dad

[grim jay]

I mean dad jokes are based af

everyone that doesnt enjoy a good one definitely has no humor

[past panther]

bruh

[cunning needle]

[halcyon grail]

Why was the bicycle slow?

It was two tired

[crisp stream]

droptimzer asking to craft alche trinket for upgrade xD, worth it?

[wispy epoch]

No

[wispy epoch]

Sim trap

Also don’t use whetstone

Use algari mana oil

I use bubbling wax bc I have 700g in my inventory, we are not the same

[frosty portal]

i was watching casual use bubbling wax in his M+ 15s is why i asked

[wispy epoch]

[frosty portal]

he also ONLY uses flask of tempered mastery, not chaos

[wispy epoch]

I mean mastery is straight damage on poisons so I can see why

[frosty portal]

yea that one made since as why its better than chaos, bc chaos u gotta high roll ur stat. but i cant raidbots sim or dont know how to sim the bubbling wax. I just know hes using it

[subtle tundra]

Wax or whetstone is like so insignificant

[west canyon]

I looked at warcraftlogs (why do some craft dagger and some wrists?) and what should i do=?

[spice surge]

Craft a dagger

And then whatever you feel like

(aka what sims the highest, but its almost surely dagger to begin with)

[west canyon]

Okey thanks!

[balmy prism]

so I know trinkets are kinda whatever and you can run whatever, but I only have a 606 skardyns, and 636 spyglass and sack, that has to be better in m+ right?

like it's 1200more mainstat

[wispy epoch]

I’d go sack and spy just bc m+ is also bosses

Plus the higher ilvl

But ideally spyglass and mark

[balmy prism]

that's what I'm feeling, I was running sac/skardyn's before for bosses

[normal mist]

@past panther i finally did my key, it was a +6

[past panther]

proud of you son

[normal mist]

we all in the 615-618 range

[cunning needle]

gzgzgzgz

[wispy epoch]

I trolled a pug bc I exported a talent tree and didn’t see the person was using improved feint

[normal mist]

they dont press their abilities tho

[wispy epoch]

So when I randomly died I was like

“Where’s my CD wtf”

[past panther]

did you +1 or +2

[normal mist]

+1 🙂

[past panther]

Nice 7’s are money

[normal mist]

because 615 people do 800k dps

[past panther]

i have a 6 siege i need to do

[normal mist]

mine was a 6 siege

lol

[past panther]

siege is free as long as you don’t wipe on the banana pulls

[normal mist]

^

our healer didnt know about last boss dispel

[wispy epoch]

Naw that shit ain’t free.

[past panther]

it’s bs that you can’t cloak the nanners

[normal mist]

so he throw tank to the water

[wispy epoch]

First 4 pack pulls cause so many wipes

[past panther]

hahaha

[normal mist]

so we had a full wipe

[past panther]

ive never struggled on those but i think my biggest siege is a 8 lol

[normal mist]

mine is a 15

... back in bfa

xD

[wispy epoch]

Then you got the spotter at the end of the tunnel people don’t pull deeper running into more mobs

[subtle tundra]

Mman

Bananas

Alalalalalal

[wispy epoch]

Then you have pugs aggroing a second giant from being feared

[subtle tundra]

Oh to be a range spec in banana zone

[wispy epoch]

Then you have healers and melee inting last boss

[past panther]

i think camera has gotten me killed more than anything in this xpac

[wispy epoch]

No dispels, ADing with circle onto you

[past panther]

so many shit angles/hallways you have to fight in

[wispy epoch]

Have yall noticed ret paladins are all played by the same guy?

[past panther]

the guy with the victim complex?

who copes and whines about dps no matter how good or bad they are

while they barely have enough buttons to fill up a bar

[wispy epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-v-kaz-kazuhira-miller-flex-arm-flex-gif-10744758

[iron valve]

mine just tells me how many free divine storm procs he got in a row

and complains when he has to heal

[subtle tundra]

Ret paladins are bots

Proven by data and statistics

Not an opinion

[junior shore]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
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Whispyr's Plater

[past panther]

Petition to rename the ! Bot to ret paladin

[thorn slate]

have 0 crafted gear, both belt and wrist are 616, which one is better to craft? (626-636)

[wispy epoch]

Dagger

[spice surge]

Id recommend to sim it

[wispy epoch]

Ideally you’re gonna craft both eventually though

If you’re doing the crit enchantment

Depends on your embellishments ig

[thorn slate]

BTW, is there a website that calculates crafting cost?

[spice surge]

The Craftsim addon does that, combined with some addon that scans the AH like auctionator or tsm

[thorn slate]

mmmm okok

seems to be rings? can you add that narubian enchant to any crafted item?

[crisp burrow]

im struggling a lot in keys with having to re-stealth

is there any other way to spread dots or something

[muted ridge]

Im kinda confused, why such early vanish when you play MA ?

is discord bricked? xd

[cunning needle]

glitch in the matrix

[undone pollen]

Not gonna lie this new affix popping me out of stealth has been so annoying lol.

[cunning needle]

dont worry about it

[acoustic violet]

noob question for yall, for the talent indiscriminate carnage does it make sense to tab target to cleave the bleeds? Or just continue to apply rupture/garrote to same target?

[undone pollen]

Proximity of targets matters, range may be too far to spread

In some cases you need to target and others you can use the same target

[acoustic violet]

Thanks, and assuming targets are clumped you can just stay on one target

[normal mist]

@past panther did my +7

same party, this guys are getting better

[undone pollen]

Exactly

[crisp burrow]

It's horrible

Not knowing what the tank is about to do fucks my brain

So idk how to do good damage in m+

[undone pollen]

Ill be running up thinking I’m in stealth and I get to garrote one time lolol

[crisp burrow]

I guess I try to spread manually and try to save vanish for big pulls

[normal mist]

I hope discord does not post both my images back to back when it gets fixed

[thick juniper]

if i have 619 everything, gilded wep craft still recommended?

sorry, where is my manners, good morning

[past panther]

man YES

[proven jasper]

I have news for you

[faint vessel]

sim itttt

[wild pine]

does it prioritize closer targets or targets that dont have the bleeds? assuming both are in range

[sleek spear]

which poison to use as assas rogue guys?

[muted ridge]

yo lads

with MA specced, how do we use Vanish

ST

[proven jasper]

Deadly>Amp>Instant

[subtle tundra]

Doesn't change

[thorn wadi]

Skardyns dropped after 27 runs, would you guys say just macro it to deathmark?

[subtle tundra]

I assume you play ss build

It's just a passive there

[cerulean compass]

You play instant ? 🤔

[faint vessel]

You’re vanishing early for big fat deathmark bleeds

[cerulean compass]

Am I dumb and playing like Amp, deadly, atrophic and Crippling ?

[proven jasper]

No?

Thats what i said you play

[faint vessel]

Not dumb at all

[muted ridge]

I'd assume for last 3 sec of KB or for when 2nd DM is about to go, you vanish for improved garrote ticks.

[agile bobcat]

hey guys can i still recraft my main 636 dagger to have a free crest upgrade to 636 for my offhand?

[faint vessel]

Yeah it’s after the 2nd shiv iirc for the last part

The point is to pandemic the garrote with improved garrote so as long as it’s vanish->garrote with <6s on garrote dot

[cerulean compass]

I misunderstood sorry

[mighty kiln]

bubbling wax still working?

[pure falcon]

which spell can i macro thistle tea to?

i hate pressing that shit

[sturdy niche]

I think some people macro it to shiv

[cerulean compass]

Is there is any reason why : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9n_B72r1_A&t=1s is not playing with crippling ? 🤔

[coral hollow]

can someone tell me why most of the ppl use the vicious venom/ improved poison build rather then sanguine blades/improved garrote? For me the bleed focused build sims like 5-10k higher but I would like to understand the reasoning here.

[cerulean compass]

Oh maybe because they run like with adds sometimes so he did not wants to slow them

[coral hollow]

I am looking into princes mythic specifilay atm

[violet jackal]

!guide

[radiant quail]

doesnt want to slow mobs

[violet jackal]

People who just copy from wowhead Vs people who sim their characters

[balmy prism]

jesus not even shamans are safe to invite now

so many fotom players who get to 2.7 and then have no clue how to play their class

like how do you go oom on skarmorak

[wide atlas]

Hello, I want to track last envenom buff consumed Remaining seconds when consumed.

Anyone has a weakaura that does that or knows how to do it

[violet jackal]

I just look at my buff bar (base ui)
But 100% someone got a weak aura for that

[wide atlas]

Basically play a sound if I use envenom or the last .7seconds of its buff to see If I minmaxed like pro or missed like backyardigan

[long hawk]

Casualaddict is so cracked.

Wf 15.

2.5m dps.

[spice surge]

They want the mobs to stack up more and they value that more than the extra lethal dose stack for the rogue

[spice surge]

Just depends on your gear setup

[sleek spear]

DO I Go instant or deadly poison?

[proven jasper]

Deadly

Deadly always

And then amp/instant

[steep cave]

Does the nature damage proc ring from Queen Ansurek benefit from Shiv 30% increased nature damage and Lingering Darkness 30% increased nature damage?

[wild pine]

I have a question, do stat percentages matter? like i know for assa crit and mastery should be ur 2 highest equal to each other but what about versa and haste? does it matter if they're low or should they be at a certain percentage?

[proven jasper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[subtle tundra]

if its not part of the spec's kit, you can just assume it doesnt interact with anything

there are exceptions ofc

like sub shadow dmg, idk if its the case anymore but it used to buff trinkets and procs

but for assa i dont remember anything interacting

[thorn slate]

ok trying to craft is making me dizzy, is there an addon that ignore raid/m+ sellers so i can try and find an actual crafter?
Cant see shiz in the chat

[muted ridge]

you can turn off service chat

[subtle tundra]

theres 2 chats

one for crafting one for sellers

[thorn slate]

guessing thats for sellers then?

There we go, thanks

[muted ridge]

you can keep trade

just 4. gone

[thorn slate]

yeah noticed it now haha

[rotund oak]

yup @earnest remnant says its not a matter of hero talents,sub does no dmg at all

mocks my age when i speak of deathstalker

[sleek spear]

do i use instant poison or deadly poison guys?

[rotund oak]

deadly amp

never instant

[coral ibex]

someone answered the first time you asked too

[sleek spear]

tyty

[rotund oak]

u are welcome friend

[sleek spear]

new to assas sorry

are there any pins or faqs i can read?

[warm vortex]

How many runs did it take for you all to get the grim trink

[coral ibex]

read the wowhead guide

[warm vortex]

just finished run 18 and havent seen it drop

[rare jackal]

around 15 or so

[rotund oak]

yup upper right side on ur discord panel,next to searchbox and faq is on the left side of ur discord panel,its an entire section ''FAQ''

[warm vortex]

Oof

i got raid later an want trink by then

had 18 runs of nothing

at this rate imma have multiple crafted pieces before i get it

[rotund oak]

sob trinket is a myth

[long hawk]

How about the chance to proc more damage occurring when you deal nature dmg with your poisons?

[sleek spear]

oh i see the assas FAQ ty

[subtle tundra]

it doesnt matter, i saw some explanations like a month ago

dont remember it

[long hawk]

That sucks.

[warm vortex]

Id say GB is more enjoyable to run than SoB
And spyglass is wrorse than Mark right or nah

[strange python]

I'm having an issue equipping gear it's saying I can only have 2 embellished items equipped - just crafted a 636 dagger with ascension and put writhing on my bracers but now can't equip crafted belt with dawnthread on. Is that right??

[warm vortex]

it

literally says you can only have 2

[rotund oak]

dont mind both,sometimes though tanks decide to play god

[warm vortex]

unique equqip embelishment (2)

[strange python]

So just remove the one on the belt

[rotund oak]

bricked keys memes all over

[warm vortex]

sim it and see what one yes

[warm vortex]

fair

had a run where the big enrage trash in GB was killinmg the tank

[strange python]

Do I need to recraft it to do that then

[subtle tundra]

they are different trinkets that dont compete for the same spot

[warm vortex]

i used KS on cd

and i said to other people that didn't stun to get it

and a dh just said "you rogue"

[rotund oak]

got like 6 keys bricked today jsut from tanks doing random routes and dying half way inot pulls without pressing their buttons

goofies

[warm vortex]

I feel like tanks are better on avarage than week 1 and 2

they were braindead as hell

still some dumb

but pugs seem smarter

and by smarter i mean they have basic knowledge but still miss a lot

[rotund oak]

after depleting like 100 keys first week

experience starts applying

[coral ibex]

had a bear kill the party by turning the big guys with the cleave frontals around on the bridge in NW and then yell at us for “moving while dpsing” and then he left

[warm vortex]

Just call himstupid

ok tbh

[rotund oak]

[warm vortex]

tanks are prolly sick of the stupid pug assa rogues moaning about not getting restealth

[stiff estuary]

what is best enchants for weapons for assa , i see to many diffrent ones im confused

[warm vortex]

so i woulden't blame them for being angry

[warm vortex]

Sim my guy

see what one is best for you

[strange python]

How do I remove dawnthread lining from crafted items?

[coral ibex]

recraft

[strange python]

Cant see an option to just remove it

[coral ibex]

why would you have no embellishment at all?

[spice surge]

Apply griftah

[strange python]

Because I made a dagger with ascension and already have wrists embellished

[kindred hinge]

Tagged into a Boralus 12, Tank heal and lock are premade. I see lock is Demon spec, last time I depelted a bora 12 was because lock was supposed to be affli and instead played lock sneaky sneaky ... so I ask them. The premade told me no worry we will Tp on third boss and he will respec.

Arrive on third, loose 1 min 30 for respec.

Depelte key by 50 sec.

All of that for a lock that did 1.1m overall ...

Yay

[strange python]

Ty!

[tame valve]

Yo guys

Is it necessary or not to make 2 craft dague 636? I currently have a 636 craft and a 626 non-craft.

[warm vortex]

sim

[kindred hinge]

Sim it but you likely be better with another piece 636

[warm vortex]

Personally i think dagger crafting FOR ME next is best cause of sims
either that or belt

cause when im doing so many GB runs i get a lot of crests :)

[subtle tundra]

wdym was supposed to be affli

if guy wants to play demo let him

[kindred hinge]

You don't know why we play lock on SOb ?

[subtle tundra]

dispell last boss

yea

idc

[kindred hinge]

Nope when youa re taken only for your dispel and decide to run something else since you can't dispel in demon spec it is trolling your group 🙂

Because you would litterally take anything else

[warm vortex]

Just get a better immunie system????

Smh

If rogue can magically improve it's stomach with a talent, it should be able to for its immune system

[subtle tundra]

Idk I did siege 12 and last boss was the easiest part of the dungeon

It got nerfed so much

Without warlock

Let the man play his spec

I will hold onto that opinion

I used to play assa when everyone wanted outlaw for vanish cheeses

[kindred hinge]

Nerfed or not, a lot of heals are panicking massively and fucked up. I had not issue doing it without locks before either but that's not the point. The point is when a group want specifically a lock for the dispel and the lock know that, agree and still decide to do something else it is not good manner. Because why would you take a lock anyway ?

[coral ibex]

you probably could have done more

[subtle tundra]

Elitist aaah take

I thought I was bad

[regal cloud]

Yo is there a moment when u dont wanna increase crit or mastery anymore cuz of dr or smth or ?

[kindred hinge]

If he had sticked his head out and say no I will play demon. that is a different matter and yeah I have no issue with that

But when you say, Yes I will dispel and when arrivoiing on last he went Nope Demon spec lols that has nothing to do with being elitist. He was a jerk

[subtle tundra]

I'd do the same if someone asked me to swap to sub for example on nw for last 2 bosses

In a 12 nonetheless

[keen rover]

🥸

[kindred hinge]

Well if you have to lie to get into keys and are the reason for depleting, are you better than the people fucking up the meta ? Or are you just a jerk in disguise ?

[subtle tundra]

I am a jerk, it's widely known

I jerk it so mucy

[proven jasper]

i have to lie to get into keys

Sub pov

[subtle tundra]

I did lie quite a lot in my assa pushing days

Or more so, alter the truth

[proven jasper]

[spice surge]

We could jerk it out

Like caesars

[subtle tundra]

We are both jerks....

[dense glen]

is there a consensus on best enchants for someone who does both M+ and Raid? 1 depths and 1 radiant power? 2 of something?

[spice surge]

Prob just radiant

[dense glen]

i feel like the prio damage from 1 depths doesn't hurt in M+ tho, right?

i'm sorta torn

[iron valve]

radiant power also does prio damage and doesn't need to stack up

[spice surge]

Its not really prio though

Because it doesnt necessarily hit your main target

[dense glen]

ah ok makes sense

1/1 was 0.3% higher on Patchwerk and 0.8% lower on dungeon slice than 2 radiant power

[thick sigil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[robust slate]

is vers flask or alchemical chaos better for high keys

like 12+

[dusty skiff]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tss-joke-gif-12231716503055135591

[high walrus]

at how many targets (in m+) should I be using fan of knives instead of muti at builder

after applying caustic

[molten echo]

2+

[high walrus]

ty

also is it higher priority to apply caustic than to whip up a crimson tempest

assuming some pack of 5 mobs

[young dust]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[molten echo]

I usually do CT before applying caustic in those scenarios, dno if that’s right though

[limber lion]

Very confusing statement conaidering you apply Caustic with Mutilate

[slate crown]

!stats no

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[limber lion]

And CT with combo points

You would Mutilate once immediately after IC runs out and you have a rupture on the target

[high walrus]

it's not a statement, it's a question, I'm asking if the priority is higher because the combo points aren't build with mutilate in the case I mentioned but instead with 2 garrotes

and seemingly it is right to apply CT before caustic without cds judging by the wowhead rotation I found

[limber lion]

If it's during IC and everything has Rup on them, you would CT

[high walrus]

with cds you apply caustic before tempest

[limber lion]

Really depends what you're going dor

Prio, high aoe overall, how long the pack lives, does it have a mob that you can even use cds on and so on

Very situational

Generally it is pretty safe to just Mutilate once if everything is already garroted

And your target has Rupture on it

[robust slate]

is vers flask or alchemical chaos better for high keys
like 12+

[past panther]

could you sim to see what stat is giving you the most dps?

[robust slate]

for me ?

its not really just for dps

[past panther]

rogue is kind of squish as is i doubt vers makes that big of a difference

[robust slate]

its the survivability

hm

[austere ridge]

Your asking preference then not performance

[past panther]

if you die to it mid feint I doubt the vers would have made a difference either but that just me

[austere ridge]

No1 can answer that

[robust slate]

well survivability is kinad performance no ?

[high walrus]

isn't there some site to calculate the avoidance/vers/hp of "oneshots" in dungeons?

was a thing in df at least

idk if it's updated

[austere ridge]

The vers won't be the reason you live or not

This isn't a 1 shot season

[past panther]

this is a ‘pray you don’t get gb or nw’ season

[austere ridge]

Nothing wrong with either of them now

[high walrus]

aside from them being excruciatingly boring

[robust slate]

done them on 12 is just pray no SV

[austere ridge]

NW second boss maybe the hardest cause of interrupts but that's it

[robust slate]

cant wait for nerf

[past panther]

id rather do sv than either of the two

i just don’t like the dungeons

[austere ridge]

NW is fun you hit crazy numbers

[high walrus]

does anyone fw having a macro for /targetlasttarget so you can get back to your mark after applying bleeds or kicking shit in m+

it's probably because I just rerolled but I just kinda lose track of where my mark is in a clump of mobs

I wasn't allowed in dungeons anymore as a dragon because I didn't submit to the metaslave spec so here I am stabbing shit instead

[coral ibex]

i suggest focus/mouseover macros for kicks and kidneys

[past panther]

didn’t wanna play Aug?

[spring sigil]

I swear on p2 of queen my dps just nosedives

[coral ibex]

also a good plater profile so your deathstalker mark target is colored

[high walrus]

nah I wanted to push as dev

[spring sigil]

What player profile you guys using?

[high walrus]

but did clean 10-11s and then I need to submit a cv to get into a group

[coral ibex]

i use a modified atrocityui profile

[high walrus]

as dev

[coral ibex]

but quazii's and whispyr's platers are pretty good too

[past panther]

rip

[high walrus]

dev isn't even bad, it's mostly just community perception and some bugs that blizzard don't care to fix

[oak gorge]

i have another out of context question, but almost always at the overall dps after a dungeon 9-10 key, Crimson thempest is my top dps ahead of caustic and envenom, does it mean im doing something wrong?

[high walrus]

but that doesn't get me into groups so who cares

[coral ibex]

i know dev cranks because thats why liquid ran multiple devs in rwf

[past panther]

lol if you don’t like bugs then rogue isn’t the class for you xd

[high walrus]

I'm sure it pumps in raid content

[coral ibex]

they were useful in the ansurek p3 add cleave section

so surely they are ok in m+

[past panther]

assassination isn’t as bad but good fuck does outlaw and sub have some

[high walrus]

but the last straw for me was getting invited to 3 groups in a row where I flask up and they say "oh I thought you were aug" and then get kicked

[coral ibex]

that sucks

[past panther]

damn

[vocal minnow]

Yes

[coral ibex]

real fugma moment

[past panther]

ppl only want the ekitten spec

[coral ibex]

isn't aug also like turbo easy to play or something

[past panther]

Yes

[coral ibex]

dont they just buff one guy and then spam one button

[high walrus]

aug in lower keys is easy, when you're getting way higher you're kind of the "group leader" in terms of shotcalling I feel like

[balmy prism]

that makes sense tho

no rotation to think of

[coral ibex]

that makes sense, the least busy person should be the shotcaller

[balmy prism]

frees your mind to make calls

[coral ibex]

you're not in melee, you dont need to pay attention to your rotation, and you are someone's backpack for damage

ideal shotcaller

i like playing with aug bc then my overall for a key is like 2.2m or something ridiculous

[high walrus]

hardest thing with swapping to rogue was jsut randomly being 0.03 picometers out of melee range sometimes

[balmy prism]

should play frost dk with aug and do 5m overall

xd

[high walrus]

because I tab to some target which is a tiny tiny bit further from me

[coral ibex]

i'm leveling my fdk in timewalking rn

[balmy prism]

isn't there a setting for tab to always target the second nearest? Or smth similar

but yeah if they're grouped poorly that sucks too

[coral ibex]

mouseover rupture macro

trust

never tab again

[oak gorge]

any high high level tip? should i re-check my rotation and priorities during a fight?

[coral ibex]

if CT is your highest dam in a key you're definitely not keeping spatter up enough

or you're in a heroic dungeon and everything dies in 4 globals

[oak gorge]

ok, makes sense, it is a 9 key, so enough time

[high walrus]

CT was my highest damage in every dungeon when I was doing less than 7 keys

[coral ibex]

below 7 my highest is always envenom

bc shit just dies so fast

and then bosses are majority of time

[past panther]

what made you wanna go rogue vs another top dps that actually brings util like shaman or mage or dk

[coral ibex]

rogue is based obvi

[past panther]

the only thing rogue brings is like AoE blind for a mass interrupt and poisons

i def agree

[oak gorge]

thanks, going to work on it

[coral ibex]

play what you like

[high walrus]

I refuse to play plate classes

and rogues are cool

[past panther]

i just want to know other ppl’s opinions

[high walrus]

I had a leveled shaman already but honestly I just wanted to use my free level boost and made a night elf for the first time since like tbc

[past panther]

gang

[coral ibex]

i went into TWW fully intending to main mage and then i leveled my rogue and was like oh yea baby this is the shit

[past panther]

nice

You normally horde or just never made a nelf?

[high walrus]

meld-> stealth to get the aoe rupture and garrote is so comfy

I've always played horde

and I play casters 90% of the time

[past panther]

that’s how i am

every other mmo/game I play i pick the long range caster

[coral ibex]

yup

[past panther]

wow is the only game im consistently melee

[coral ibex]

i play ff14 too and main caster there

[high walrus]

I just play the class with the biggest wizard hat

[coral ibex]

melee in wow is just too good tho

[high walrus]

in any game

[past panther]

black mage gang

[coral ibex]

black mage gang

[void pecan]

I'm very torn guys. Do I upgrade my 2x dawnthreads to max or make raid emblishments instead and keep dawn 619 for a bit.

[high walrus]

preferrably as small of a character as possible for maximum power/volume

when I played ff14 I was lalafell blm

[past panther]

im a draenei rn and the gift of the naaru is honestly pretty cozy for a random healing cd

it’s like having an emergency vial off gcd

[high walrus]

forgot that racial exists, don't think I've played draenei since tbc

[past panther]

they’re my fave ally race and the only ally race i rly like

the Dracthyr human form is so pretty tho i might swap to it

esp since we don’t have to swap to the furry form

or scaley, ig

[high walrus]

that's the worst part of playing evoker

need 100 toys to not be a dragon

darkspear pride and bag of horrors are like 4 and 2 hour cd

[oblique jackal]

100% dracy is gonna be legit

esp with the mastery bonus

[coral ibex]

i play au'ra in ff14 so i'm looking forward to rogue dracthyr

[high walrus]

full dragon group just tailswiping every pack

0 kicks cast

[coral ibex]

i heard they nerfed the dracthyr racial abilities tho

and moved the power into evoker tree

[high walrus]

they already have -45cd on them in their tree

are they moving more of it in there

[coral ibex]

tail swipe is evoker only

wing buffet is 3m cd only reduced by evoker talents

[high walrus]

ew

[coral ibex]

and glide ms boost is reduced for non-evokers

i mean if they didn't do that literally every class that could be drac would be drac

[high walrus]

I guess that's true

the gliding is comfy

or rather the speed from it is

[mint kindle]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[gray hazel]

what was the easiest delve to do 9+?

[normal mist]

Pog

[pure agate]

Heya I'm new to Rogue and I have now read the guides, googled this briefly, and must know -

is there a better way to apply all these poisons? A macro to do them all or am I stuff with Cast sequencing? This cannot be what we have to do pls

[normal mist]

We've done it for years

And we most likely will do it for years

[coral ibex]

https://wago.io/jNjrKl3US

[pure agate]

how is this different from having the poisons on a bar up in the corner I click on?

[coral ibex]

its in the middle of your screen

[spice surge]

Its not different really

[pure agate]

ew thats actually worse lol. I was hoping we had found a way to cast all of them with one button

[spice surge]

Theres no better way of doing it

[coral ibex]

yea it is one button

your mouse button

you click

[pure agate]

I did just keep all of them on a bar in the top corner so yeah I'm good

Only once?

[coral ibex]

we need 4 temporary buffs

every 60 minutes

[wanton root]

hello! 🙂
i have a question on stats : sims tell me to pick haste, but every big player is just full mast/crit (with same spec)
should i pick haste or juste copy the top players?

[coral ibex]

you could not play dragon tempered blades if you want

and only need 2

[pure agate]

or it seems every time we go through any instance or from loading screen to loading screen

[coral ibex]

i do not experience losing my poisons going through loading screens

if you change your talents to include different poisons they get removed

[pure agate]

I have been losing them each time going back and forth from Dorn to Dalaran or from Timewalking instances

[coral ibex]

sounds like a bug

you could do it with cast sequence macro i guess? idk how they work exactly

[pure agate]

Its been this way for me for quite some time. But no matter how often I need to - I will update them to check before every raid so I was hoping we had a macro to do all 4

Just like party buffs, sure I cast and its 60 mins but its a good habit to hit them often. Just bleeding over into how I'm treating poisons.

[strange sleet]

I lose poisons when entering in timewalking too

[pure agate]

I made one and its just the same. Clicking/casting that 4 times instead though.

Its just for raid I really don't want to not have one as we're chain pulling

[coral ibex]

fwiw you can apply poisons in stealth

[pure agate]

Damn I thought for sure we'd have something for that by now. :<

[raven egret]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[topaz horizon]

bug, been thing since forever

[calm lily]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[raven egret]

TLDR and follow that, stat balance depends on your own personal context and sims are there to help tell you what you can do right now that would give you the most benefit, right now

[slate crown]

That's odd

This was a bug

[topaz horizon]

It's back

[slate crown]

[storm forum]

[feral agate]

heya guys, returning player here for 11.0.5, i saw that the guides are still icy veins and wowhead, who is the best between the two ?

[raven egret]

Yes.

[subtle tundra]

both have same quality information

[latent pike]

hey gang, I was wondering if there's a way to make a macro to cast all my poisons instead of clicking them every time I get into a dungeon

[spice surge]

No there is not

[latent pike]

that's so sad

[spice surge]

Theres a WA you can use where you just press an icon in the middle of your screen to apply them, but you still need 4 clicks

[raven egret]

Engaging gameplay right there ^

[feral agate]

hummm can you link it please ?

[spice surge]

#assassination message

[feral agate]

thanks a lot <3\

[ornate pier]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic mesa]

Hey guys. For some reason my shrouded suffication isnt proccing in my ST build (not getting two additional combo points), but this works for instance for my m+ build (casualaddict basically)

Any thoughts?

[rain wraith]

So even when transmitter sims 8k more dps than skardyn i still pick skardyns?

[sterile iris]

without reading much because im lazy, can anyone tell me if 11.0.5 will be good or bad for us?

[rain wraith]

Feint off GCD

=good

[sterile iris]

that sounds insane

damage wise?

[rain wraith]

just makes it so u dont have to account for globals when u feint Aoe and shit in M+

[sterile iris]

no i mean if we get nerfed / buffed damagewise with 11.0.5

or will that stay the same

[rain wraith]

Roughly the same i think

[coral ibex]

you're reading rn

[sterile iris]

sounds good

[coral ibex]

why not just read the 11.0.5 notes

[sterile iris]

because it is 3 sentences vs a book

[coral ibex]

a book

[high walrus]

first gb7 on this character

am I the chosen one

gave up farming the caster trinket on evo after 25 something

[raven egret]

The point is you are asking us to type you the notes 😛 the TLDR is some qol, and echoing reprimand changes

So DMG wise TBD how that will affect us but shouldn't be earth shattering

[spice surge]

You only get the combo points during stealth, but its also possible your ST build just doesnt have it specced

[fickle quest]

what am i doing wrong that i feel like i have no energy to press any buttons a min or two into a st encounter? I'm not letting my bleeds fall off but feel like i go through periods where i cant use any of my buttons.

[coral ibex]

you're spamming envenom outside cds

but also

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[runic mesa]

Ty for reply, but nah I have it specced

Testing on dummies yields that I have to spec in improved garrote to get the combo points

[spice surge]

Oh ye

[fickle quest]

so what am i pressing instead of envenom outside of my cds?

just pool energy?

[coral ibex]

yes

[spice surge]

Thats a known bug, but it shouldnt really happen as you shouldnt spec into shrouded without imp garrote anyway

[coral ibex]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[fickle quest]

ty nooj

[past panther]

Yes

[coral ibex]

i wish mine was hero track

small champion track for me

[atomic laurel]

Hey rogues! I need some help. I’m a guardian Druid main and I love chain pulling (when necessary) especially in higher keys to reduce downtime. I often play with a sin rogue, but our play style doesn’t work well since rogues need to leave combat to restealth.. so from a rogue’s perspective, what do you need from a tank to be successful in high keys?

[latent mirage]

Question, should i envenom before ? Or does the damage buff from envenom still applies even after applying KB?

[atomic laurel]

The Druid discord said the loss from restealthing is negligible, but I don’t know enough about rogues to say either way.

[tacit otter]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[atomic laurel]

Fantastic

[latent mirage]

It just feels kinda bad, but its not the end of the world

[waxen oyster]

You miss out on the silence

[latent mirage]

I like my stealth sound it makes my brain tickle

[waxen oyster]

from garrotes

[shy pecan]

Yeah, that was what I posted in the bear channel 😛

[latent mirage]

Eh if you really need the silence you can always vanish

Or use a blind to help with AoE CC setup

[atomic laurel]

Someone mentioned if I chain pull the packs need to be like 20-30% hp and not like 5%. I assume that’s for spreading poisons?

[waxen oyster]

No it’s more like

the time it takes

for that to die

[shy pecan]

It was just a number I made up, but yeah it’s more of like don’t let the adds be nearly dead before pulling because that’s just a worthless chain pull

[atomic laurel]

Makes sense

[waxen oyster]

Time saved for chaining one dying mob

isnt as worth

[high walrus]

isn't stealthing "more" for the aoe rupture than the garroting

that's the only reason I don't like chainpulling

manually rupturing 6 targets

[waxen oyster]

garrote does more

and silences+drs mobs

[raven egret]

Iron Wire stonks

[shy pecan]

It saves you some ramp up time, sure. But if you already have your five ruptures up, then chaining into the next pack means you just go into your rotation. No setup needed

[raven egret]

And you can always gauge if it's worth rupturing some targets, those that will die to cleave won't matter as much

[coral ibex]

imagine being in a group with a tank that chains properly and doesn’t just drag a 5% hp mob across the dungeon

[shy pecan]

[rich swift]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zenith prairie]

was I supposed to put a dawn thread on both my belt and bracers or a dawnthread and the double effect one?

[high walrus]

is there a way to kinda just hide an entire weakaura group? changing load options to "never" would change the entirety of the group so unticking it would just show all 3 specs worth of stuff afterwards

if I wanted to try another weakaura without comitting to it

[royal lantern]

assa doesnt need re-stealths

thats a myth from people that dont understand how the spec works

assa LOVES chainpulls

if they are done properly

[proven jasper]

Proper chain pulls ofc

ye

Makes a huge dif

[worldly sail]

i need chainpulls to pull more benefits from ironwire

🙂

i mean

restealths

[royal lantern]

why are you pulling dangerous packs where you want iron wire with a shity "chainpull" then

thats not how the game is played

and im sick of people acting that it is

cus you read it all the time

[runic hinge]

tanks are bad

[atomic laurel]

That’s why I’m here 😢 I’m trying to be a good tank and help out all of you rogues that I pug with

[royal lantern]

even in the most shit pugs in the world with tanks that barely have a pulse i get stealth all the time anyway

and in coordinated groups you have coordination

[runic hinge]

one on each

[zenith prairie]

Why dont I get two buffs for the crit then?

[proven jasper]

[runic hinge]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[royal lantern]

drop bellow the HP treshhold once

[zenith prairie]

thanks

[royal lantern]

just dont "chainpull" by going "oh this pack is at 10% hp, lets pull something new " cus that sucks for every dps spec in the game

[floral herald]

Bad chain pull is never good, for us, g’for healer, for other spe, chain pull mob when your pack is at 50%, just cast the « deadly » cast to interupt, is smth 90% tank donlt know ho w to do, so or have a good tank, or ask for never chainpull

[runic hinge]

dont chain 1 mob at 2% health in, if there's a tough pack coming give the rogue time to restealth and maybe let the healer drink

[atomic laurel]

Great information. This helps a lot

[royal lantern]

either do proper chainpulls, aka "you pull something new when the dangerous stuff is dead/locked down and is at ~30-40% hp"

or wait until everything is dead

thats what every dps in the game wants

[winged quail]

lost my deathmark in GB after the 3rd boss and the tank did this for every pull until last boss

i was losing my mind

[runic hinge]

i like having time to breathe between pulls

[royal lantern]

so you never had vanish

?

guys pls use your toolkit

[winged quail]

nah used on boss beforehand

[proven jasper]

vanish isnt real guys it cant hurt you

[winged quail]

fucked up and lost DM on opener

[royal lantern]

and you went from 3rd boss to 4th in less then 2min?????

[winged quail]

we chain pulled for 2 mins with no hero talents

[raven egret]

Speed running GB end bosses there

[winged quail]

it was suffering

[raven egret]

Wait

[high walrus]

shadowmelds

[royal lantern]

stop lying jesus christ

[winged quail]

???

[floral herald]

This what ppl not understand, win more time to wait sometimes, than to rush

[raven egret]

You used it at the start of the 3rd boss

How fast did you kill it

[winged quail]

ok antisocial freak wont type muting u instead

[royal lantern]

cool

[pastel onyx]

On topic

[royal lantern]

"hey i had this totally real thing happen"

no you didnt, that is not something that can actually be real

"freak, muted"

cant wait for the "class discords are so toxic" reddit thread

[winged quail]

dude is so perfect he's never lost his deathmark in a key

what a great player boost his ego guys

weirdo

[royal lantern]

i thought you muted me

[proven jasper]

I dont think he said that

[royal lantern]

[proven jasper]

tbf

[royal lantern]

and i said "press vanish"

[pastel onyx]

I always chain pull caster pack into dragon into ctulhu guys

[tawny geyser]

Do we want to go into our 2 mins on first adds spawn on Mythic Ovinax? Or on opener?

[pastel onyx]

[raven egret]

No the question is; how did you go from START of 3rd boss all the way to LAST boss without ever having vanish back at minimum

[royal lantern]

and never use vanish there

espacially for the faceless guys

[winged quail]

what a strange way to react to a message

[royal lantern]

where a major mechanic is "use vanish to stop the FUCK YOU, YOU DIE" casts

[keen laurel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[proven jasper]

The faceless mobs are spooky

need everything there for that double pull

[royal lantern]

and then they just cast it on the priest all the time

[high walrus]

anyone

[winged quail]

yes i was pushing a wf 15 not chilling in an 8 for crests

[royal lantern]

[proven jasper]

Thank GOD they hotfixed the little white mobs being able to crit tanks

That was TERRIFYING

My bdk actually squeezing his asscheeks for that double pull

[real pike]

yoooo I updated the whispyr WA pack for the first time in forever and got a shitton of errors, anyone else?

[high walrus]

it's plater isn't it

[shy pecan]

Yeah the fact they were hitting that hard AND able to crit was really annoying

[coral ibex]

so why does general umbriss make my deathstalker mark disappear

[real pike]

nah don't think so?

[royal lantern]

bugged out i gues

[coral ibex]

shit sucks man

[proven jasper]

Think the first time we did that place i watched him literally instant die

[coral ibex]

you lose mark and capstone

[proven jasper]

[high walrus]

idk anything about rogue weakauras but I'm using whispyr plater thing

not aware if there's also a WA

[royal lantern]

everyone did that

[shy pecan]

Yeah, my bear was getting wrecked by those adds

[proven jasper]

It was fucking hilarious

[royal lantern]

cus no tank expect "a couple small guys = you need a BIG cd on pull instantly" on their first time doing GB

[proven jasper]

actually

He was so confused

Right

[high walrus]

unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying

[shy pecan]

Even with like several stacks of ironfur, they were just destroying me

I was like “wtf”

[raven egret]

Hasn't happened to me in a hot minute, mark sits on Umbriss the entire fight and DN always procs on me end

[coral ibex]

i mean when he dies

both mark and capstone get removed

regardless which one you have

[raven egret]

I uh... Uhm. I'll pay attention, I don't think I noticed since there's a walk anyway after

[coral ibex]

the walk to the next pack is less than 30s

you should be able to bring your capstone

but i swear it just gets removed entirely

if he has marks on him, you don't get the "if the target dies, you get the capstone" effect

[raven egret]

Yeah I'll pay attention later, I still run that damn place day in day out, trinket is a social construct

[naive walrus]

Yo, whats the proper use of Deathmark after first burst window? Is it Vanish - Garrote - Deathmark? Followed by Shiv + kingsbane?

[normal mist]

yep

If you're playing garrote build that is

[echo island]

And a envenom before that no?

before your shiv KB

[naive walrus]

aa envenom befor Shit and Kings

ok

[raven egret]

Vanish garotte assuming you use shrouded suffocation of course

In raids that's not necessarily the case

[naive walrus]

Thx lads

[narrow basalt]

I really have the worst trinket luck huh...

Im still running flayedwing toxin.

[raven egret]

I got lucky I got a mythic sacbrood, but otherwise stuck with a 619 void reaper contract. Not the worst, but it's not Skardyn

[sour mist]

does sacbrood not sim correctly? its telling me spyglass is better

i thought it was supposed to be gigga bis tho

[thorn crown]

I had a weakrau which showed me, how much mobs are around me. But I cant find it 😦 Do you know which WA this was?

[raven egret]

Its extremely good, but again sims tell you what would benefit you with your current setup. If you benefit more from spyglass crit, it's possible it works out better too. If the difference is only like 100dps who cares however

[grim jay]

spyglass, sac and crystal are all really close on ST

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1295087704161390824/image.png?ex=670d5fea&is=670c0e6a&hm=0de51e9f5024e3b1078c6d37f46851658d9683fbf83d4b6539c0efc22b82ab3d&

hmmmm.....

[grim jay]

wish it was true tho

[proven jasper]

Damn bro got flask for the rest of the xpac

[grim jay]

some m+ players would empty that in a day

their time works different

[narrow basalt]

Yeah, im still rocking flayedwing and void reapers contract :/ Again, not too bad.. Just not skardyn level.

[proven jasper]

I hate toxin

why tf do i have to use it

why cant it just be an equip

[young dust]

@balmy condor followed your advice of CT on brood

590m on brood so it was more than fine

[narrow basalt]

Compared to imperfect acendency which I had the displeasure to run for a few weeks, flayedwing toxin is a dream xD

[young dust]

by the way, we zerged the boss breaking only one egg on p3

using two rogues

[mental wedge]

guys please a deathstalker stacks weakaura ?

[proven jasper]

Oh the channel on that is annoying as hell

[sullen mural]

Any uptodate weakaura set should have one

[narrow basalt]

I hate it. I hate it. I HATE it. Just so annoying hehe.

[mental wedge]

I updated mine and it stoped showing it thats why am looking xd

[narrow basalt]

I was so relieved when I could swap it out. But still got sub-par trinkets compared to skardyns.

[grim jay]

just dont play it

[narrow basalt]

how much of an average damge loss is fatebound compared to DS now?

[violet berry]

Crystal over sac?

[balmy prism]

Would anyone here have the patience to have a look at a progression log and tell me if I'm doing anything obviously wrong or bad? I'm still very new to rogue (first tier) and can't seem to hit over 1.1m st, I recon my thistle tea and shiv usage is very sub optimal https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hgJXMwtWmyrk2Cz8#fight=34&type=damage-done&source=1257

[acoustic roost]

You parsing purple you fine

[narrow basalt]

Sorry for small brainl, but what are those numbers referring to?

[raven egret]

Sims difference

[bright tartan]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy prism]

Yeah but I wanna do better, otherwise it's no fun and I don't know enough about rogue to do better atm

[raven egret]

I mean ok, improving is great but keep in mind raid parses depends on a ton of things, including time to kill and group comp. You are doing great, rest is just continuing to refine your rotation and reactions

[coral ibex]

look at your logs and see when you dropped env uptime and try to figure out how to keep it up

also you're getting ilvl checked in logs for sure

unless you are geared more than anyone else in the world

[balmy prism]

fair enough

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor i fucking

hate

your plater

thats it

[raven egret]

[balmy condor]

Singular focus and CT absolute crank

[balmy condor]

Sorry

What’s wrong with it

[subtle tundra]

for me atleast, during a pack, nothing is visible
nameplates are a bit transparent
cant clearly see hp bar if its full or empty
mobs casts and i dont notice

[balmy condor]

Hm

[subtle tundra]

im using default plater xd

basically, there's not enough clarity for my needs

for assa i shouldnt have to tryhard to see the information the nameplates give

[vast loom]

follow the opener in the WoWhead guide you arnt doing the opener right

[severe sparrow]

you can just turn up the opacity no? or down. the "more visible" direction

[subtle tundra]

probably

[balmy prism]

ah right I dont get envenom up before I pop cds

good catch ty

[vast loom]

you need to DM > shiv > KB aswell

[mental wedge]

pls a deathstalkers stacks WA

[raven egret]

That's in every pack, you can pick out of of them

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[balmy prism]

Right I've been struggling with that since I read shiv last 8 seconds but now I realize that's obviously the second shiv charge

[vast loom]

yeah in m+ when you only have 1 charge thats where you want it

[balmy prism]

aaah makes sense

[vast loom]

but if you have 2 you want to make sure all of KB has shiv in it

[raven egret]

Ah yeah, in dungeons if you don't use double shiv got to remember to only use the last half of it

Damn I was late reply

[balmy prism]

right appreciate yall

apparently got a 98 log for ilvl but guess that's a bit fake

[latent bluff]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[severe sparrow]

parses for keys are a meme

i somehow end up with orange parses and im not good, im just carried by my good friends

oh sorry theyre "points" or w/e

[kindred hinge]

Key parse is based on time / Lvl of key has nothing to do with your own performance since they just lift it from the leaderboard

[young dust]

Does numbing poison work on bosses?

[normal mist]

I've pushed my key to a +9

and yet i can't find people that press their abilities

[grim jay]

from complaining about queue to pushing your key

what a chad

[raven egret]

Pressing buttons is hard ya know

[normal mist]

warrior was fury

🙂

[kindred hinge]

Have to drop that lineof though, at every level of key you will have people that can''t press. The expectation just keep rising

[normal mist]

stonevault8

[raven egret]

👀 sure it wasn't prot?

[normal mist]

i am

DH was tanking :))

[raven egret]

... Well I mean

[young dust]

We have 2 rogues so i'll use it anyway, but couldn't find any info about it

[raven egret]

Warriors smooth brains

[young dust]

Just curious

[normal mist]

The best news is

[severe sparrow]

i was trying to do some 4-5s on my healer and i keep getting tanks who dont press their buttons

[raven egret]

Should afaik

[raven egret]

Bring me

[dense cloud]

can iron dwarfs use the thingy in sv?

the buff

[balmy prism]

isnt it blacksmiths

[dense cloud]

its bs and dwarfs, but idk if its iron dwarf too or not

[kindred hinge]

And warriors

[sullen dust]

Can anyone help with log review? My overall in m+ is fine, and my boss dmg is kinda low. However when it comes to raid I can’t for the life of me get decent dmg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nbNTjy7gmQHKrY4f#fight=16&type=damage-done

[fleet coral]

which weapon oil suits best for assa

[late surge]

Recheck the opener in guide

[fleet coral]

i'm using wheetsotone but some guides i saw wax

[balmy prism]

whetstone is better but cost money

[fleet coral]

in al situations

for an example for ovinax its still better ?

[normal mist]

its always better

[balmy prism]

more than I know but pretty sure yeah

[normal mist]

but costs gold

[fleet coral]

okay then thanks

[simple violet]

is there an asssassination discussion thread for 11.0.5 anywhere?

[fleet coral]

in both hands right ?

[young dust]

Yeah it is...i can help you after raid if you want

but compare https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nbNTjy7gmQHKrY4f#fight=16&type=casts&source=334&view=events to whispyrs single target rotation and you'll see lots of differences

our burst window is big part of the damage

[normal mist]

is the difference between a +8 to a +9 big?

[balmy prism]

not really

9 to 10 is pretty big

[normal mist]

good

[young dust]

11 to 12 is a nightmare

i have all 11 timed and i don't get a single invite

[subtle tundra]

feint off gcd cant come any sooner

holy shit

[late surge]

PREACH

[hazy ether]

How much haste are looking for in a m+?

Are we*

[shy pecan]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy prism]

pretty sure we dont have any specific breakpoints

[fading patrol]

what embelish should i make if i only do m+

[young dust]

dawnthread lining on both wrist and belt preferably

[mint kindle]

Are the wowhead talents for ST up-to-date?

[young dust]

yes they didnt change on last buff

[fading patrol]

i saw that focus lense sims higher ?

[slate crown]

!embellish

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[subtle tundra]

people were saying keys will be based on timer not if you can survive them this season
rn its either i feint everything or i die

[slate crown]

Embellishments are extremely close and it doesn't really matter

[errant mauve]

amp or instant

[strange python]

So basicaly you never want to send vanish without Deathmark, and if you're sending Kingsbane on AOE you dont want to vanish but keep hitting as many envenoms as possible and shiv in that kingsbane window?

[knotty grove]

Hey guys. I do around 1,5/2m dps on aoe targets, i do 300k on bosses, i got the feeling im doing something wrong on singletarget... I got the M+ talents.

Any can tell me, how to do singletarget dmg - or what should i perfere in my rotation

[tulip fern]

I would recommend just looking up assassination guide on google and work from there

Hard to provide any specific advice with the given information

[knotty grove]

i feel i've seen youtube, icy-veins and more. :p but ill do a log run then.

[strange python]

what ilvl are u?

[tulip fern]

General advice I can give. Make sure to optimise your globals in kingsbane, know what you need to press as a priority, refresh bleeds before cds not during

[coral ibex]

weekly no leaver +10 lmao

[tulip fern]

On aoe, try to keep up rupture on as many targets as you are comfortable with

and use your amps on your caustic spatter target if you aren't, seen someone mess that up

[knotty grove]

607

[strange python]

Thats low dps