assassination

[novel star]

but that shit is cringe as fuck

[normal mist]

im doing a 2-2-6, and they were dpsdpshealer, and we had an healer incoming

[novel star]

i’m not making a weakaura for a passive trink

[normal mist]

so 2 guildies heal

[trail scarab]

Do you guys use the shadow ritual knife trinket? just wondering if it cucks you a bit if it gives minus haste for energy regen etc on st?

[novel star]

miss me with allat

[novel star]

in cds the proc can be pretty bad

[rain jewel]

when do you activate it? once you reach 15 and have to move? 😮

[novel star]

outside of them it’s whatever

[novel star]

well ya

optimal usage would be hold the cd forever until a movement mechanic

and constantly tap movements to balance 15 the entire fight during no movement sections

but like

don’t do this

it’s not worth it lol

[waxen oyster]

honestly what holds back knife the hardest

is it being hero track max

[rain jewel]

is it still better than spyglass 626, harvesters edict 626, arakara 626 even if i dont optimise it? 😮

[novel star]

i would guess not but im not really sure tbh

lack of knowledge there is why i’m just using sac and forgetting it

personally

but u can do whatever u want

sims i think emulate a bit of fake movement for that trinket specifically

[rain jewel]

im giga overcapped on haste due to the raid neck, so im using it in raid alone, m+ i used spyglass

[novel star]

overcapped on haste huh

[waxen oyster]

man has 100% haste

[rain jewel]

i meant... im on 13%.. haha

the neck and the helmet alone are like 6k

[waxen oyster]

and

[rose wharf]

Ara kara is such a wild card with pugs 😄

[runic hinge]

I got 16% haste

am i overcapped?

[rain jewel]

i will just try the new trinket out...

[novel star]

General recommendation on assassination is to literally (literally) never ever look at your stats

just don’t look at them

it’s a pure waste of time

every stat is good

overcapping doesn’t exist

sim every item

[pliant remnant]

ok dad please don't beat me

[novel star]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[waxen oyster]

People oversweat stats then proceed

[rotund marsh]

whats the downside to having a non dagger offhand

[novel star]

13% haste is not an issue

[waxen oyster]

to play some meme race like vulpera

[novel star]

your class doesn’t work

cant press mutilate

it requires 2x dagger

[rotund marsh]

ahhh i see

[waxen oyster]

both sub and sin are

[rotund marsh]

seems like sub is fine

[waxen oyster]

No you are inting if you play sub without 2 daggers

[rotund marsh]

whys that? i could use all the abilities

[waxen oyster]

read shadow techniques

[rain jewel]

aye, thanks ! i kinda want to invest into vers next, so i dont get onetapped later on...

[novel star]

sub can press the spells without 2 daggers but loses a lot of damage to a talent they have or something

[waxen oyster]

yeah shadow techniques is not normalized

[rotund marsh]

ahhh i see

[waxen oyster]

for weapon speed

[eternal sandal]

what do i do when spyglass is = to waning candle in the sim though xD

[novel star]

Even that is really kind of fake idk, maybe in insane high keys vers becomes relevant but generally just sim for dps and vibe

[novel star]

flip a coin

[eternal sandal]

what do you take me for, an outlaw?

[novel star]

yes

[waxen oyster]

they’re both comparable trinkets

waning candle uptime is very high

[rain jewel]

my healer was giving me shit for having 2% vers today haha

[waxen oyster]

yeah healers are divas

if your healer has time to complain your tank isnt pulling big enough

[novel star]

if you took enough damage to get shit from your healer you just weren’t pressing one of our op defensives (feint mostly)

or they looked at stats before even starting the key

in which case

shoot them in the head

[rain jewel]

nah i meant my friend, i died to the infestation dot on ara 12, because i wasnt specced into elusiveness yet... and i did a little oopsie

[novel star]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean

slightly more vers

isnt going to solve that

[novel star]

^

[rain jewel]

yea,

[waxen oyster]

even if you have

[rain jewel]

i will invest into the IQ stat next

[waxen oyster]

10% more vers

thars only 5% dr

[hollow talon]

Get the sikran neck it's enough vers for my entire gear set

[novel star]

spec elusiveness for 20% more dr on feint or spend crests and shit on vers for like 2

stats are fake news

liberal conspiracy

[rain jewel]

i have sikran neck, the crazy cape and 4 pieces with avoidance....

[waxen oyster]

i have like 11% vers

because multispec

rogue is just bad at ticking damage

[rain jewel]

ya i started speccing into elusiveness and then he will be smiling and thats enough for me

[gritty gazelle]

Is wax bugged again??

[waxen oyster]

worked fine last night

[novel star]

don’t think it was ever not bugged

[simple violet]

with this weeks affix do we have any skill or ability to remove or dispell the debuff besides cloak of sahdows?

[novel star]

idk

[novel star]

just cloak

[waxen oyster]

stoneform

[novel star]

but i’m not using cloak on that shit

genuinely a healer affix anyone who says otherwise is bad at the game

[waxen oyster]

yep

i only stoneform if its overlapped

with something else

[rain jewel]

invite shaman, get poison cleanse totem'd --> happiness acquired

[waxen oyster]

healer affix weeks

are always the worst weeks

[novel star]

yeah more specifically it’s a shaman affix

[novel star]

based

[waxen oyster]

mfs still winding down from SL m+

passenger princess ass role

[simple violet]

yea but my pally just pops cure toxin and its gone.. was hoping rogue had something obscure like that

[waxen oyster]

only hybrids have dispels

well mage does

[soft shale]

yea we have cloak every 2 mins

pog

[waxen oyster]

because hero class

[soft shale]

oh wait

[waxen oyster]

locks can too

[novel star]

nyope

[waxen oyster]

but then you have dps without a kick

[novel star]

that tweet about like

what every class can do to dispel it

is the most cope shit i’ve ever seen

half the list is unviable

with normal human builds

[waxen oyster]

play dwarf

[novel star]

this has always been the answer though

but i’m not doing that

short ugly freaks

[waxen oyster]

its funny how dwarf just answers

most shortcomings

of the class

[cobalt sphinx]

dwarf for boralus is very very very very very tempting

viqgoth is completely fucked

[tough widget]

guys are we only applying 3 poisons in m+?

[cobalt sphinx]

but i don't want to be ugly

4 poisons is usually better unless you have a strat that doesn't want crippling poison

crippling can be annoying if you are trying to group adds with iron wire

but that is pretty rare

[tough widget]

copy

[dim yacht]

crippling is a dps boost no? cause of lethal dose

says all poisons

[spice surge]

Yes it is

Also im fairly sure it still grants you the bonus lethal dose damage on bosses, even though theyre immune

[waxen oyster]

glamours are roughly 1k a pop

[novel star]

perma applying crippling idgaf abt allat

gimme my damage

fuck the tank

[south token]

bubbly wax fucked again?

[novel star]

probably

[balmy condor]

Dslice is a synthetic sim. It’s only loosely based on a dungeon

2 min boss followed by alternating small/large packs with variance in size/length

[runic hinge]

I’ll show you varying size and length in two minutes

[balmy condor]

Yeah, on bleed build that’s correct, but the bleed build is only reasonable in really low keys where you can get big sudden demise value from quick pulls, and in those situations, bone spike goes crazy and helps speed up the opener

Which is why bone spike is suggested for that build

[dusk ivy]

!SHEET

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[young dust]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat. If any are affected, their name will show in your chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[glad tartan]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

Queen died

2-2-6 op

[grim jay]

healer and evoker

[keen spruce]

Mr consistent over here

[normal mist]

I need to reclear

all those logs had 619 MH // 610 OH

i'm 626-626 now

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

look at mister stacked over here

[normal mist]

actually

lucky

only had to upgrade 1 weapons since i got the fist

OH cost valorstones

[keen spruce]

I just want that mog

For daggie

[grim jay]

mh cost 15 m crests

on accident obviously

[soft shale]

caught in 4k

[grim jay]

idk its a pretty fist weapon

but still a fist weapon

[hallow pelican]

Everyone wants to look like zeratul. Package it with the dodger mask from legion

[orchid pewter]

played so much assa i became crimson tempest

[normal mist]

LOL

[soft shale]

grim battory

[novel star]

theyd have to make different animations

the way mutilate works with like

wrist angle

you would just smack the enemy and whiff with ur blades

it does look fucking cool though

[dense venture]

hello guys do you know if the apl for dungeon slice is up to date for assa rogue ?

[upper wraith]

i dont like 1st and last boss lol

[normal mist]

i really need to reclear with a good group

most of my kills have bad timing and no full Raid buffs like warrior or monk

[upper wraith]

Do you just pug?

[grizzled trail]

how should my damage breakdown in keys look? is spatter supposed to be top?

mine is CT>envenom>spatter

[waxen oyster]

28 ilvl diff between weps is wild

[balmy condor]

Generally yes

[normal mist]

casual Aotc guild

[runic hinge]

Yea

[grizzled trail]

ok guess i need to look at what im doin

[upper wraith]

yea mine is about the same. just joined this guys 2 weeks ago and they are starting mythic this tuesday so well see.

[normal mist]

this is what the parses on average look like

[solar wyvern]

Banger

[waxen oyster]

im cooked

env regularly #1

[runic hinge]

I wish my tanks looked this good

[normal mist]

yeah my tanks are bangers

[delicate trench]

i swear in siege its always number 1

[upper wraith]

that looks rough.... lol

[tawdry halo]

Why Does this weeks m+ affix break stealth every second

[upper spear]

cuz frick u man

[normal mist]

Yeah but its just a bunch of friendly casual friends

[upper spear]

thats why

[tawdry halo]

Could not be less fun

[upper wraith]

well playing with friends is always cool

[upper spear]

it has me staring at my stealth buff like a weirdo all dung

pre pull

[solar wyvern]

How reliable is the PI checkbox on raidbots?

Just curious about the gain I'm getting since I have 4% haste rn

[upper spear]

its completely random, sometimes it give you paladin wings

[solar wyvern]

Damn thats too bad

[upper spear]

it works

[solar wyvern]

This is what I was doing to the boss in the first triangle of broodtwister. With PI. Was absolutely cranking

I wonder since I'm so high verse/mast (sub player xd) that PI value increases

Yknow, math and stuff

[versed mica]

Sin secondary stats are pretty close to each other, agi is king.

Even with high haste PI would be good, because PI is good for sin

[solar wyvern]

Yeah I guess

[soft shale]

only cap is 100% crit

dont worry we are not getting ther

[dense cloud]

Anyone remembers when the rogue kick cd was increased?

[soft shale]

df

[dense cloud]

I remember there was a ''nerf'' on rogue kicks maybe in s2 df or behinning of s3

what was it before? 10s?

[soft shale]

yea

and 6 secs kick

glorious days

[spice surge]

It was the duration of the lockout

That was nerfed

Not the cd

[dense cloud]

what does that even mean

[spice surge]

But it was for all interrupts, not rogue specifically

[soft shale]

cd was nerfed before

but i dont remember when

[dense cloud]

yeah i remember cd nerf as well

cuz rogue kick was ''too short'' and increased it to 15sec

[coral ibex]

kicking a cast prevents casts from that school of magic for 3? seconds

[molten echo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

Looking at wowhead data ye i guess youre right, but it was changed with mop release, not in dragonflight

[coral ibex]

a longer lockout prevents additional casting for longer

longer lockout = fewer kicks needed

[wind totem]

How does this fucking metagem work? Can all my gems by onyx with mastery + other stat or do they need to be a different type?

[solar wyvern]

Diff types

[spice surge]

Emerald/onyx etc

But the effect is superweak so it doesnt really matter that much

[lunar dragon]

in single target do we play around sanguine blades at all?

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[lunar dragon]

oh snap thanks

[grizzled geyser]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[feral pivot]

what talent or passive is it that causes my combo points to refresh after opening from stealth and applying first rupture?

[tardy raptor]

is cloak of shadows not working anymore?

[waxen oyster]

wdym

the ability works

[tardy raptor]

3 straight dungeons where I press it and I swear it didn't work

[waxen oyster]

broken keybind

idk

[broken cloak]

physical abilities that look like spells maybe?

[waxen oyster]

like not going off?

[robust slate]

which spells does it not work on ? for you

[tardy raptor]

the first boss on necrotic wake you can cloak targeted breath attack right?

[waxen oyster]

only the first 1s

is true immunity

[upper wraith]

no you cant cloak first boss breath

[robust slate]

feint angle

[cobalt sphinx]

You can dodge it with evasion

[waxen oyster]

you can cloak it

[spice surge]

You can cloak it, but you need the first second of cloak

[tardy raptor]

so what exactly does it do after the first second

[upper wraith]

I dont use it for that atleast

[crisp burrow]

some guy is telling me assa is unplayable rn without being night elf

how true is this

[robust slate]

fake

[coral ibex]

he's off the zaza

[robust slate]

he prolly thinks deathstalker is only from stealth and not counting darkest night or smthn

[coral ibex]

shadowmeld doesn't even give you a restealth half the time

[soft shale]

tell him you can sell him some bibles

he seems gullible

[waxen oyster]

unless hes pvping at the top top end level

[soft shale]

make some quick buck

[waxen oyster]

hes off a bean

[coral ibex]

when they fix the DN+ambush bug is it gonna be optimal to always open with ambush even with DN?

[normal mist]

yes

!ambush

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[latent pike]

Is our poison damage buffed by Chaos Brand from demon hunters?

[sullen cloak]

Hey im having trouble with taking alot more damage then other classes, idk if its jsut a skill issue or is there something i can do to help reduce it. i die alot between my cloak and evasion CDs

[latent pike]

I would try to swap Cheat Death with Elusiveness and make sure you are using feint

[balmy condor]

Everything that isn’t physical, so bleed/melee/mutilate. all nature damage/plague damage is magic

[latent pike]

That is good to hear, Thanks for your help.

[sullen cloak]

Thanks for the fast reply i will, im puching into 9/10s and am struggling to survive at points

[tired panther]

I see a lot of talk about not crafting Siphoning stiletto dagger - Anyone able to tell me why to actively avoid it?

[latent pike]

Np at all. From my experience in keys, elusiveness feels almost necessary.

[spice surge]

Because its bad

It does low damage and its to a random target

better of using any other embellishment

[coral ibex]

to quote the wowhead guide it deals you damage, doesnt do aoe damage, picks a random target, and is literally just worse dps than another dagger with dawnthread or something

[tired panther]

that makes sense then

[soft shale]

if the dmg was quintupled it would be decent

a lil ol deathstalker multiplier

[fallow marsh]

Are there any available resources for what’s changing in 11.05

[tired panther]

Cheers

[late tusk]

how do you handle chain pulls?

[upper wraith]

yell at the tank

[leaden viper]

Get pissed

[late tusk]

We just die on dps

no?

[leaden viper]

Just have to tab target and rupture

Or vanish but its 2 min

[waxen oyster]

high hp chain is literally

good

because you have ruptures going for scent

[spice spire]

No

[waxen oyster]

why do people play sin

if multidotting is so hard to them

[late tusk]

But the aoe spread

its with steal no?

ofc i can do manually

[waxen oyster]

Doesnt mean you cant do it manually

[runic hinge]

Does elemental focusing lense count as an embellishment and why should I not use it

[graceful umbra]

how many targets do you aim to dot up in M+ trash?

[spice surge]

It does

[ruby birch]

Ask tank not to chain when a mob is 1 hp disallowing you to stealth

Or save vanish in pugs

[graceful umbra]

is 2-3 efficient enough for energy generation

[ruby birch]

Dot everything

Your dots truck

[shy sorrel]

Does it make a huge difference if you get to open in Stealth in m+?

Instead of chainpulling

[ruby birch]

It’s literally just gar gar rup rup gar tempest or start with an ambush and move a gar to the end before tempest

[ruby birch]

Yes

[runic hinge]

Okay I saw someone with it on their boots and I was like am I missing something here

[ruby birch]

You need stealth for empowered garrote and spreading dots

It’s a lot of your damage in m+

And a lot of your utility

[runic hinge]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[shy sorrel]

So I reckon the !restealth says it doesnt add a lot to restealth

[heavy trail]

I guess once you are cozy with it perhaps, but it sure helps to be able to spread both G and R fast.

[ruby birch]

I mean you’re not gonna spread ruptures without stealthing in a big pull

You will run low on energy

Go compare doing a dungeon without restealthing

Go with

To with*

[hallow pelican]

youre right ... all the math that says otherwise is wrong

[ruby birch]

Enjoy depending on sim math to play the game

I’m sure sim math takes into account your tank forcing you in combat for the last 500k hp of a mob as he chains into 10 mobs

[runic hinge]

That’s not good chaining tho

[ruby birch]

You know what sims tell you not to do as well? They say it’s a dps loss to rupture a dying mob

But depending on the scenario

[runic hinge]

It is

[ruby birch]

The energy is very good

[waxen oyster]

tbh if tank chains a singular 500k mob

into a pack of 10

[ruby birch]

It happens in pugs

[runic hinge]

Envenom does more damage and it’s not energy inefficient

[ruby birch]

A lot

[waxen oyster]

im reporting for deranking

ngl

[hallow pelican]

if your tank is doing that, than hes a shit tank and your DPS is being affected more by him being shit and bad pulls and not by you not being able to restealth

[ruby birch]

Yeah ok well enjoy never having a 6 sec blanket aoe silence

With 15% dr

[runic hinge]

Why am I building 6 combo points to do no damage

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean any tank that does it

is bad

[ruby birch]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

let me just not have a free silence

and dr for myself

[ruby birch]

You will be getting restealths

If you think it’s not important

Then idk man

[waxen oyster]

I think the difference is huge tbh

[heavy trail]

Well when they do it most of them are ignorant to the notion that it matters, or are in a hurry either with cause for the key or for no real good reason 🙂

[runic hinge]

Play with better tanks

[waxen oyster]

between an early chain

[ruby birch]

But the sim!!!!

[hallow pelican]

so whats your argument then? that we're better off having a shit tank?

[waxen oyster]

and a singular mob chain

[hallow pelican]

explain THAT math to me

[ruby birch]

No but someone was asking about restealths

You want them

They’re good

Stop changing the direction

[waxen oyster]

honestly the sheer value of iron wire

[ruby birch]

They give you damage and utility

There’s no reason to not get them

[waxen oyster]

is more than the damage imo

[runic hinge]

Restealth argument every week in here

[balmy condor]

open assa
sims bad I’m m+ player and so much smarter
close assa

[waxen oyster]

like i know its playable but holy shit i wanna pop a blood vessel when i see a singular mob

[hallow pelican]

lol

[waxen oyster]

being chained at sub 10%

[ruby birch]

Going out of context pretty hard there whispyr

But sure let’s flood lfg with sin rogues who don’t silence anything

[balmy condor]

What the fuck are you talking about lmao

Did you forget to take your meds again

[ruby birch]

Yeah man I forgot

[waxen oyster]

Doesnt the command just mean

its not the end of the world

but it still sucks

[ruby birch]

No apparently

It means don’t restealth

You shouldn’t want them

They’re bad!!!

[waxen oyster]

and low hp chains just mean your tank is bad

[upper spear]

never give up bois, this wa the key that finally got me trinket

[late tusk]

Wait, do we dont craft dagger as first item? the prio on embellishj is critc on 80?

[waxen oyster]

why is the tank third

[ruby birch]

I don’t want free utility and damage noooooooo

[balmy condor]

Okay so you did forget your meds then

[waxen oyster]

chad tank but

[balmy condor]

Schizo posting shit that isn’t there

[ruby birch]

Whispyr

Read through brotherrrr

[balmy condor]

I did

[ruby birch]

I’m saying people should want them

[balmy condor]

And you’re off one

[ruby birch]

Where am I off

[balmy condor]

Well of course you want stealths, you take talents that say “from stealth”

[ruby birch]

Okay

[hallow pelican]

at this point u have enough sparks for both embellishments. Dawnthread for M+ and Ascension for Raids. theyre pretty equal from my experience tho

[ruby birch]

So where am I off genuinely

No shitposting

[waxen oyster]

honestly if your tank is doing constant chains at low hp

you just type passive aggressively

in chat

until they fix it

[balmy condor]

Cause you’re going insane instead of just saying that lmao

[late tusk]

I just will play muthics, should i prio it i guess then

[balmy condor]

Like who are you arguing with

Lmao

[ruby birch]

Whispyr

You know how I am

[balmy condor]

Yes, annoying as shit

Go take your meds

And stop arguing with ghosts

[nocturne quail]

augmentation sham

[ruby birch]

You’re still mad over the talent swapping

[upper spear]

correct

[balmy condor]

Over the what

[hallow pelican]

Its honestly up to you. I use dawnthread because Ive got double heroic daggers so ascension is a downgrade of ilvl that I didnt want to take.

[ruby birch]

I was just a happy rogue

Now I’m a sad rogue

[late tusk]

I mean, you can go with 2 embellish equals?

[waxen oyster]

also

embellishes suck dick in tww

they were good in df

[balmy condor]

I have no clue what you’re talking about

[waxen oyster]

whisypr didnt you sim embellishes were like

such a piss small difference

[balmy condor]

Yeah embellishments suck

[nocturne quail]

ignore the peanut gallery Whispyr

[waxen oyster]

vs not having at all

[balmy condor]

Embellishments are like 1%

Big cocka damage

[waxen oyster]

as much as a race change

[nocturne quail]

Ascension because our ST is lacking in keys

[slim pebble]

1 is a pretty big number I’ve heard

[waxen oyster]

im tempted

to make a joke

[balmy condor]

But ascension needs to ramp for 80 seconds

[iron valve]

sure, but that means the difference between embellishments is less than 1%

[nocturne quail]

yeah idk i had to craft it for raid but i really only care about keys, trying to cope

[ruby birch]

Also whispyr it is very mean to call me annoying as shit, I’m a very innocent rogue and mean NO HARM

Look at my blue color

It signifies unity

Unity for all rogues

Except outlaw

[waxen oyster]

you didnt have to

[balmy condor]

It’s not supposed to be mean, it’s supposed to be accurate

[slim pebble]

Outlul is always on the outside tbh

[iron valve]

this guy just dropped aggro

[ruby birch]

That’s also mean Whispyr

I might just have to type more

[waxen oyster]

you could have crafted a no embellish dagger

[nocturne quail]

tell that to my GM

[waxen oyster]

if you were that down bad for weps

[nocturne quail]

he threaten my family

[waxen oyster]

ok your gm is cooked if he thinks 1% embellishes

will kill a boss

[slim pebble]

I played with a friend for a key and he asked why I wasn’t titled the tank wasn’t letting me restealth 😂

[ruby birch]

I’m always aggro

[nocturne quail]

yeah ik lmao

[waxen oyster]

honestly lower mythic guilds i see the most baked takes

in this game

[ruby birch]

That’s me

I’m so baked

[waxen oyster]

its like they care too much

[slim pebble]

Just press feint

[waxen oyster]

but still barely perform above the aotc andys

[ruby birch]

Aotc last week baby

Ahead of the curve

[waxen oyster]

brother

[ruby birch]

No energy

[slim pebble]

Are you really ahead of you didn’t get it day one

[ruby birch]

Shit spec

[waxen oyster]

dont you raid in twitch prime

[ruby birch]

I don’t appreciate this doxing

[waxen oyster]

arent you like one of the only na sub blasters

most of them are eu

[ruby birch]

My logs are all sin now

Sub is just not looking good

[waxen oyster]

even for last 3?

[ruby birch]

I was sub for princess

Swapped to assa because idk honestly

But for last 2 sub

[amber brook]

!macro

that doesnt exist xd

[ruby birch]

They buffed sin so it was super easy on princess

[waxen oyster]

wasnt the sub argument prior

that you are more tanky

[ruby birch]

Yes

But it don’t matter when you can cloak every dash

[waxen oyster]

then there’s loktark

flopping his dong in table as #1 playing outlaw

for the whole class

[waxen oyster]

comes in 1.5 windows?

[ruby birch]

2+

[waxen oyster]

oh so either spec can

[ruby birch]

You always get same set

Yes

If you get second you will always get second

[late tusk]

But thats cause of you got Heroic daggers, i guess in a new character 619 dagger will be prob better no?

In a future prob change into wrist

not sure if im able to simc with ascension vs with dawnthread

In the past weapons were heavily important on dmg

not sure nwo

[heavy trail]

Can you blind the little dudes on the last boss of echoes to get out of CC? I might have messed it up but it didn't seem to work.

[hallow pelican]

I mean sure its a great way to get from 0 to 60 but the problem is, you're stuck doin 60 when all the coolshit happens at 120. I mean there's crit mastery daggers u can get from Delves that are just as good as Regicide and way easier to get, but I remember the struggle when I was sub 590 ilvl. I couldn't get a dagger to drop for me to save my life ... now I've got 6 littering my bank and im stuck using some sub par trinkets. The point is, don't get tunnel vision. If you're limited on crests, you may be backing yourself into a corner u dont need to

[wicked valve]

!TRINKETS

Failure

[mortal badger]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[mortal badger]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[slender birch]

sorry if this is a dumb question i just started playing wow , can you use a sword with assassination rogue or is it daggers only? only because i got void reapers contract and the void reapers warp blade i was wondering if that would work with ass or should i swap spec to outlaw

[blazing pumice]

daggers only

don't switch spec because you got a weapon

[slender birch]

okay could you possibly explain further ?

sorry just trying to get a grasp of things lol

[normal mist]

you want to use the fist weapon -> go outlaw

sub and assa use double dagger

outlaw uses 1handed weapons on the MH

[blazing pumice]

play whichever spec you prefer, not because you got a weapon/trinket combo

the weapon and trinket aren't so outrageously strong that you have to switch

and sin is probably in a better spot than outlaw atm

[slender birch]

okay i get it

ty for the help lol

[runic hinge]

sin cannot mutilate without 2 daggers is also why it won't work

[lime pelican]

bubbling wax good alternative to whetstone ?

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[lime pelican]

is it good alternative tho

[blazing pumice]

it's ok

it only applies to mainhand

[waxen oyster]

i mean depends what you mean “good”

[blazing pumice]

weapon buffs contribute very little to overall dps

[waxen oyster]

Like its worse but its also free

[lime pelican]

like whats % dps increase u get from double whet

and from 1 whet one bubbl

[runic hinge]

1% or like .8%

[lime pelican]

so its a 0.2% diff from using double whet?

[runic hinge]

double wax is like .4% mana oil is like .6% and double whetsone is like 1%

[lime pelican]

thnx

[blazing pumice]

? you can't run double wax

wax is mh only

[quartz osprey]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[runic hinge]

you can but they don't stack

you could run it on just offhand

[quartz osprey]

4th craft recommendations?

[lime pelican]

its good so it means its 0.1% worse

[coral ibex]

my wax does 0.6-0.8%

just on mh

[blazing pumice]

@quartz osprey potentially nothing

it depends what myth track gear you have

[quartz osprey]

fair, might just sim

[blazing pumice]

crafts eat up a lot of gildeds

you are potentially better off upgrading other pieces

[lime pelican]

awesome thnx, rlly cba wasting 1k on whetstone

[quartz osprey]

oh true

hmm

[coral ibex]

on god

5 mins in follower darkflame

[quartz osprey]

I only have one myth item

[coral ibex]

30 hours of wax

[blazing pumice]

i think ring is good because you can recraft the ring and upgrade your other ring for free

and ring is unlikely to be replaced by vault anytime soon

[drifting cloud]

in theory yeah, in reality you want queens ring which comes drops max upgraded

[lime pelican]

say that to my 639 scalawag

[blazing pumice]

you and everyone else in the raid wants queens ring tho

[late tusk]

Another doubts

Related with echoing, can i take other talents?

seing high players they dont play it

and i dont really like it

[blazing pumice]

what high players

[hollow blade]

anyone know why a raid boss hits me in stealth?

[late tusk]

Im seeing zerocoolx for example

[hollow blade]

its usually when the tank pulls

[blazing pumice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2918&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

100% er

[late tusk]

i mean on m+s

[cobalt sphinx]

Zerocool says not to use double vanish

[waxen oyster]

its literally a pinned comment

by him

[cobalt sphinx]

#assassination message

[waxen oyster]

[late tusk]

lol

didnt expct it

[cobalt sphinx]

I’d only use it for a very specific strat that you have planned out

For specific dungeon circumstances

Because it is a pretty big dps loss

[late tusk]

i entered to look gameplay and just saw it

so if its pinged

i would just play the meta

[blazing pumice]

er is going to the farm in 2 weeks anyway

[late tusk]

Thought it was cause of chainpull tbh

[cobalt sphinx]

Naw i am pretty sure it’s for on-demand blanket silences

Your tank shouldn’t be griefing you in +13 keys

I can see it being useful on amarth and maybe avanoxx if your group comp is terrible

[toxic patio]

is the wowhead for assa reliable? because I know for other classes they are sometimes outdated or not very reliable at all

[cobalt sphinx]

Yes

Wowhead for rogue is good

[toxic patio]

ok ty

[amber brook]

How do we open on court?

do we garrote and rupture both boss before deathmarking?

[toxic patio]

is mythic princess weapon good for m+ or a normal mythic weapon is better?

[spice surge]

Well you need 2 daggers as both assa and sub

[toxic patio]

ooooh ok, didn't know that

makes sense then

[final tide]

anyone got plater blacklist for assa please?

[pastel onyx]

I copied cevs

and edited it a bit

[final tide]

where can i find that mate?

[pastel onyx]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[pastel onyx]

ceverion

plus he has the thing with order

being consistent

[final tide]

ahh sick tyty

[pastel onyx]

for bleeds etc

[final tide]

just imported it, exactly what i was after ty buddy

[pastel onyx]

[past bobcat]

@slate crown Is there a reason why in the wa pack sometimes with different talents the fok hero talent reminder doesn't pop up/

[slate crown]

are you changing to vicious venoms?

[past bobcat]

Yes and vice versa

[slate crown]

yeah

[slim pebble]

You don’t consume clear the witness with vicious venoms

[slate crown]

Because I purposely do it

[past bobcat]

Oh lmao that makes more sense

I thought it was just bugged lmao

[slate crown]

Nopers

You did indeed do a good job of noticing though

[slim pebble]

I feel like LEs WA pack plays the game for me lmao

It’s very intuitive

[slate crown]

So, you get Good Noticer points.

[past bobcat]

I like the pack because I can delete half of it and I'm left with something super simple and robust

[waxen oyster]

whispyr's afenar edit does it too

unless he yoinked it from LE's

[balmy condor]

I yoinked her gar/rup wa

Cause good code

Otherwise just me

[past bobcat]

And LE's pack doesn't use all this model stuff people have been complaining about hey?

[balmy condor]

Everyone updated their models

[slate crown]

No I don't use a single model

Never did

[balmy condor]

I only had models cause afenars base stuff did

But they’re deleted now

[toxic patio]

do we ever use shiv in m+?

[harsh anchor]

lots

[toxic patio]

for disenrage only or it helps with damage as well?

[harsh anchor]

Buffs ur nature damage

[spice spire]

Built diff

[toxic patio]

oh true, I thought that was the talent on the last row that we don't pick, but that's bleeds

ty

[sour citrus]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[pliant remnant]

la Ascencion

[slender birch]

ohh okay that makes way more sense since thats my main skill lol

[dull cloak]

missing timer by 5 seconds on a NW 12 because the ret can't dodge comet storm is kinda infuriating

[upper solstice]

Should Caustic Spatter be a top damage in overall dg ? but not too far of CT ?

[robust slate]

is tricks really better than blackajck

[cinder grotto]

I'm looking at top100 Sin logs from raid (ST) and seeing different opening sequences. Is there an "optimal" sequence for DM, Shiv, KB or can it be situational (opener/mid-fight)? I see people doing Shiv -> DM -> KB and others doing DM -> Shiv -> KB.

[thick juniper]

Is there benefit from doing mythics past 10?

[spice surge]

Nope, just more score

[spice surge]

DM > Shiv > KB

[thick juniper]

Ty

[toxic patio]

where can I find a wa for my combo points that also mark my empowered by echoing reprimand?

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

Has a bunch

But also you could just not bother, its getting removed in 2 weeks with the .5 patch

[toxic patio]

oh really

how so

[balmy condor]

They’re reworking echoing reprimand

It just empowers next finishers after shiv

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cobalt haven]

I have a confession to make; I use hekili T.T

[cinder grotto]

Does the LE's WA group not have a cast bar?

[runic hinge]

whats your best parse

[cobalt haven]

no idea tbh

does details autolog anywhere?

[balmy condor]

You are still worthy in the eyes of god my child, say 3 hail Mary’s and thy sins be forgiven

[robust slate]

why do people use tricks over blackjack does blackjack not have more value when mass blinding the packs

[balmy condor]

Cause they cope that tricks is valuable aggro transfer

[robust slate]

lmfao

i feel like the 30% dmg reduction even if its short can be much better

i dont have the vision for tricks

[balmy condor]

Yep

I don’t recommend tricks anywhere

Cause I don’t get it either

[robust slate]

i see every high m+ player take it but idk

[spice surge]

Its actually painful

When my tanks in raid asks for tricks on pull because they have aggro issues sometimes

[robust slate]

wat no way

[spice surge]

Like my tricks does less threat than one of his spells critting vs normal hitting

[drifting cloud]

but I think theyre both starting on blue or some shit? I dunno bug bosses are weird

[robust slate]

does tricks even work if u hit first ? cos i swear they just slap me up and i get 1 shot

i dunno if i understand it correctly

[drifting cloud]

oh thats a tricks feature for half a decade

[robust slate]

ahahah

i dont see how its better than 6 sec 30% dmg reduction

every min

[balmy condor]

Me getting assigned tricks on raz platform, not hitting tricks, and the raid leader goes “thanks whispyr that was much better let’s do that”

[drifting cloud]

[robust slate]

lmaoooo

[drifting cloud]

@ omni

[pastel cradle]

is there a bug with shadowstep in the garrison? for some reason it goes to loading screen everytime i attempt it

[pastel onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[balmy condor]

Bro really thought me moving 1 fok of aggro to the tank is going to stop the dev evoker from pulling aggro off of the orbital nuke they’re unloading

[spice surge]

Getting a 30% damage reduction occasionally to the melee hits that absolutely tearing your ass apart in m+ 🚫
Getting 1/5th of a global extra worth of threat ✅

[robust slate]

im on the tricks of trade hate train

[drifting cloud]

its okay they nerfed the lvl 12 affix

[balmy condor]

thank god I tricksed

[drifting cloud]

dark times

[balmy condor]

that 3 mil pyre crit

[soft shale]

SHURIKEN STORM

my job here is done

[balmy condor]

[soft shale]

118k enough

surely

[balmy condor]

I'm literally doing tank damage

worse than that even

WORSE THAN THE PROT

whispyr please tricks

[spice surge]

Arent you on ovinax?
Why you playing sub

[drifting cloud]

its from raszageth

[spice surge]

Ah

[balmy condor]

that was raz

[spice surge]

Ofc

Mb

[balmy condor]

I am cranking on ovi

[drifting cloud]

cranking the music to drow out the voices?

[balmy condor]

overall for the whole night

[spice surge]

Boss damage angle

[balmy condor]

still crank

[spice surge]

But then again, its gonna look worse on progress because less execute, the kill is your time to shine even more

[balmy condor]

yeh we aren't even in zold

for most of these

[drifting cloud]

just wait for kyveza 60s reset pulls

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

Kyveza slaps though

Id rather do more kyveza than court

[drifting cloud]

court is when we start to catch up cope

I see some guilds are cranking up the wipes there

[soft shale]

dont worry when we get to court sub will be already unalived

so all 3 specs can go in the always show me bin

[drifting cloud]

I dont have a transmitter so not like I can play sub on it

[spice surge]

We havent racked up a lot of pulls yet, but so far it feels like melee is just payphoning and doing nothing hoping the ranged sorts out the webs properly

Atleast with the strat were using

[soft shale]

are melee blue or red

or a mix

[spice surge]

Mix

[drifting cloud]

shouldnt it be mostly red

[soft shale]

yea i saw more people doing mix now

depends

[drifting cloud]

yeah I dont know how much strat differs but 1-2 melee pairs for web isnt uncommon or?

[spice surge]

You need an exact amount of range in red

Idk if its 4 or 6, either of those, dont remember

[cinder grotto]

Sorry for the noob question, but do we still thistle at ~ 6s left on KB and vanish at ~ 3s left to garrote?

[spice surge]

No to both of those

[cinder grotto]

I'm trying to optimize my DM/KB dmg

Okay so this wont help me analyze/practice anymore then https://wago.io/PFTo3o6Ug ?

[peak saffron]

is rogue just extremely squishy now? i feel like everything hurts

[soft shale]

think tea now is for energy

you just save 2 shivs for kb

[drifting cloud]

has been for a while

if you cant cloak you yell 1 heal

[soft shale]

we are very weak to dots

[spice surge]

If feint doesnt work then were not tanky at all

Especially assa

Sub and outlaw got way more tankiness for some reason

[cinder grotto]

Yeah I think I got that down 2 shiv for KB on ST and in M+ around 7s left right when only 1 charge?

[slate crown]

yes

[cinder grotto]

And so during KB its all about getting as many envenoms in?

Finish on 5cp?

[slate crown]

It just means you don't pool and you don't worry about clipping your envenom buff during cds. Once they're done, you start doing that again. Otherwise all other priorities remain the same.

Yes finish on 5+ CP unless you have Darkest Night (from Deathstalker), then you push to 7

[gritty copper]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cinder grotto]

Gotcha, or land on emp cp from ER

okay and for DM and applying poisons, I guess ideally I have rup/gar up already for the full duration of DM? Is there a gain of vanish + emp gar during DM?

[thick juniper]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[rotund marsh]

is the execute talent from DS any good

the stacks that detonate when the target drops to 20% one

[iron valve]

no

not worth caring about

[rotund marsh]

would it not do a big nuke on a boss?

[balmy condor]

it's really undertuned

[rotund marsh]

ah rip

[toxic patio]

on aoe do we only use mutilate to apply caustic spatter and outside that it's always fan of knives? if so, on how many targets we start using fan?

[balmy condor]

3 without thrown precision, 2 with

[iron valve]

on a random top parse I just pulled up it did a whopping 0.23% of the player's damage

[toxic patio]

thanks

[rotund marsh]

wow..

whats most of the damage from?

env?

[iron valve]

for single target, envenom, rupture, kingsbane, garrote

[rotund marsh]

ah ok makes sense

btw pooling isnt as prevelent due to DS right?

heard you dont have to pool as much in ST

[vivid seal]

quick question guys, if i have deathmark's envenom buff at max cb and im max -1 combo points, is it worth to mutilate and overcap cp for it or just send env then try to no overvcap?

[balmy condor]

correct

[balmy condor]

you mut

[rotund marsh]

thats great tbh

[toxic patio]

on aoe if I have envenom buff do I want to spend combo points using rupture on enemies without it or it's just like envemon spam?

[balmy condor]

what

if you have darkest night you want to consume it

[toxic patio]

I'm confused with the aoe, do we want to mutidot without vanish or do we just full focus our main target

[barren epoch]

do you mean the deathstalkers mark?

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[barren epoch]

getting 5 ruptures is really important for agi buff

[balmy condor]

you get enough bleeds for energy

and then slam your main target

[toxic patio]

so rupture on 5 targets max then full prio right?

[balmy condor]

doesn't need to be 5 targets

especially without stealth

you're just wanting to be able to use your energy

[pastel onyx]

are 12-13 puggable, or its gonna be a self torture to get into

[soft shale]

every 12 or 13 i've done was omegakrangled

but i didnt care that much they came from doing 11 or 11++

[balmy condor]

I mean I wouldn't suggest pugging anything higher than vault keys

lowkey cursed

[pastel onyx]

me when affix removes my stealth

and tank pulls the boss

[soft shale]

again and again

[limber creek]

literally the best part of playing rogue it's just the most amazing feeling

[pastel onyx]

and I have no vanish

[barren epoch]

how much of a dps loss is it if you dont have deathstalkers mark for a boss fight

[limber creek]

flip coin and call it a day tbh

[winged sun]

Enough for ur grp to say ur dps is shit

There are reminder WAs

[balmy condor]

how wouldn't you have mark for a boss fight though

darkest night after a target dies

[pastel onyx]

its ez

I die before

[balmy condor]

kringe

[errant swallow]

@balmy condor did I miss something? Faebound simming higher now (sorry I was working this week didn't keep up with shit)

[barren epoch]

im just very bad

[balmy condor]

fatebound was always close or better for people

[errant swallow]

Started simming higher this week after buffs

Thank you sir

[pastel onyx]

also I have a flashback of farming gala dagger with my 47 runs of gb

[soft shale]

yea and remember to proc lucky coin 40 secs into the fight

[pastel onyx]

[soft shale]

that helps a lot im told

[rotund marsh]

sudden demise is way too good

i love it

[balmy condor]

that's not reasonable, deathstalker got way more than fatebound

if fatebound is better now

[errant swallow]

That's what I thought

[balmy condor]

it was better before

[limber creek]

Only thing I don't like about fatebound is i like er more than cb

[runic hinge]

just double crit mut for 5 combo points every time

[barren epoch]

btw thank you whispyr, everything i know about assassination has come from your videos and guides. pushing 2400io having fun

[novel star]

pog(pog)

[winged sun]

I need to drink 5 red bulls like yesterday

Big pump today

[pastel onyx]

[barren epoch]

redbulls hit different

[winged sun]

Man ass is so much fun

[pastel onyx]

current ass or df law zeross

[winged sun]

df law is unbeatable

[barren epoch]

law meaning outlaw?

[pastel onyx]

ye

[barren epoch]

was it that fun?

[pastel onyx]

ye

[barren epoch]

outlaw looks like blade furry and mash buttons spec to me as someone who hasnt played it

[rotund marsh]

dragonflight outlaw? it was fun but whats different

[pastel onyx]

see it was so fun it made zeross addicted to energy drinks

[rotund marsh]

seems very similar

[winged sun]

Btw current outlaw is better but only worse due to no acro

[pastel onyx]

[rotund marsh]

acro?

[pastel onyx]

acrobatic

strikes

additional range

to aa

[barren epoch]

ooh

[rotund marsh]

oh right

[winged sun]

Also our hero tree is shit but whatever

[rotund marsh]

forgot about that

[pastel onyx]

ye I tried it at the beginning or exp

feels shit

[winged sun]

Its still better tho

[rotund marsh]

i honestly like both lol

[winged sun]

Just no acro is bad

[barren epoch]

what was fun about df law

[winged sun]

Ur a psychopath to like trickster as outlaw

[pastel onyx]

u just

[winged sun]

Or maybe, u dont know how to like/dislike hero talents

[pastel onyx]

5 roll into kir

[winged sun]

The cto change was very good to compensate the loss of 4pc

Made it better

[barren epoch]

are the hero talents for outlaw that poopy

[winged sun]

Enough of outlaw, talking about it makes me miserable the spec sucks balls

[pastel onyx]

its jujst passive

[rotund marsh]

lol its legit super fun

[rotund marsh]

guess im a psycho

[pastel onyx]

isnt trickster played with ks

[rotund marsh]

ye

[long hawk]

Have a question about ic, it applies bleeds to 3 targets total, if I have 4 or more targets and use garrotte and rupture on the target I originally opened with, will it reapply the bleeds to targets I already applied to or does it dynamically apply to the remaining targets I didn’t apply to?

[pastel onyx]

gg

[barren epoch]

pretty sure it applies to the ones that dont have the bleeds yet

[long hawk]

Wow I’ve been over complicating it by changing targets.

That’s a lot easier to play with thanks.

[cyan karma]

Yooo me too untill a week or so ago lol

[barren epoch]

if you have 6 targets you can save some globals by switching targets

at 7 it lines up again i think

but i rarely do that

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[barren epoch]

bc you onlyl need enough ruptures for agi buff and the energy

where can I see all the commands?

[long hawk]

Ooohhhhh, so two garrottes on opener apply to 6 targets automatically. Okay that makes sense, because well math.

[nimble ether]

I love assy wogue

[brave pulsar]

yo yo, do you guys use any WA to track our things ? caustic spatter, tier set, hero talent etc

[nimble ether]

Yeah that’s mando

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

we don't have all of them in one place

[long hawk]

I use Whispyrs afenar wa.

It’s really good.

[cyan karma]

The dynamic effects do a good job on luxthos wa but I like using a personal one for darkest night

[balmy condor]

it's just for regulars to not have to repeat the same answers over and over and over

[nimble ether]

Yeah I use a custom one for darkest night

[haughty lantern]

is there anything from ulduar TW that we really want/need?