assassination

[waxen oyster]

which helps

[dusty crescent]

615 ganggang

[waxen oyster]

i got 4set on my dh

[bleak spoke]

yeah i do fast setup when i'm with my guildies cuz like they're all fucking 626 and i'm ratting out at like 618 or something

ggrr kb er env

lmfao

and i actually DM after

[waxen oyster]

oh yeah you need to fast set up with guildies

unless one is aug

[bleak spoke]

all our augs play fucking devestation in keys

MADGE

[waxen oyster]

i mean the real struggle

is when your tanks dont play

[keen spruce]

@spice spire I’m dying

Help

[waxen oyster]

and your dks are dps otp

[bleak spoke]

the real struggle is not syncing 2mins with my fdk tbh

[spice spire]

Leg day baby

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-legs-macho-li'l-gif-8098075115180883333

[spice spire]

Day even

[bleak spoke]

like if he sends breath i just hold

[spice spire]

Tuck

[dapper cradle]

[dusty crescent]

I haven't gotten a neck piece in weeks. legitimately lost EVERY roll in raid for a upgrade in this slot

[spice spire]

Auto correct

[bleak spoke]

it's not even worth

[dim tundra]

is it better to pot on pull with bl or on execute phase with pi

[spice spire]

Bloodlust

You’re probably getting pi too eh

[dapper cradle]

still blasting with my 606 vet track skardyn's from week one

[bleak spoke]

like i played a stonevault with fdk spriest yesterday, and my SP was flurrying off my KB mob and my dk was oblitting off my kb mob and it LITERALLY died in the first 4 seconds of KB with fast setup in a 10

LOL

[dusty crescent]

that on use is actually worth something this just a poop neck

[bleak spoke]

like it died before void torrent ended

we were ALL mad

[dusty crescent]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

i never see spriests

[dapper cradle]

how is shadow after those buffs?

are they back?

[dusty crescent]

you all just said fuck you specifically to that mob

[waxen oyster]

this season

[dusty crescent]

i've seen some blaster spriests

[dapper cradle]

they got some big double digit buffs

[bleak spoke]

idk i think we ended the key at like 2.1m/1.8/1.6 (with me bottom fragging because i'm bad i could have actually gotten so much more)

[west crown]

anyone else having trouble getting into m+ groups because of the affix this week?

[dapper cradle]

yeah I was in queue simulator for like 45 mins last night

[dusty crescent]

i have hard time in general

[dapper cradle]

[dusty crescent]

we can cloak it tho so i mean

we're helpful

[bleak spoke]

i think spriest is really good

[waxen oyster]

set for neck this season

[bleak spoke]

like uh

[waxen oyster]

unless some boss puts me in sub jail

[spice spire]

Same

Sneaky fucks

[bleak spoke]

i mean spriest is just outlaw with unlimited range flurry right

[true hearth]

hey mates! What would you choose in the vault: trinket Treacherous Transmitter (H) or Tier Pants (M).
I do the simulation and it doesn't improve my trinket “Skardyn's (C) and shadow-binding ritual (H)”
In bloodmallet.com it is much superior to the rest and in the sim I don't see it

[bleak spoke]

like every target with vampiric touch on it gets psychic link

[waxen oyster]

i could have sworn it gives more versa in the ingame tooltip

what the

[dusty crescent]

have you run topgear in raidbots?

[bleak spoke]

tbh theyr'e like some unholy mixture of sin, outlaw and affi lock

[waxen oyster]

i feel all the fotm players

moved onto ele

[bleak spoke]

except halo literally tops your whole team every 3 seconds for 10 seconds a minute

[true hearth]

Yess

[bleak spoke]

i have never felt so fucking safe

in a dungeon

as just playing alongside an spriest not even like doing anything

[waxen oyster]

me when 2nd boss of siege targets me

[bleak spoke]

he's just doin his dps rotation and healing me for 400k

[waxen oyster]

with the dot 3x in a row

[bleak spoke]

every 2 seconds

[waxen oyster]

and healer half asleep

[bleak spoke]

err

4m

[waxen oyster]

no wrathstone from tw ulduar

[bleak spoke]

oh we're gonna do that tonight

[waxen oyster]

rash cloak in the 5 boss box for it

[bleak spoke]

i hope i get one

[dusty crescent]

what do we want from ulduar as assa rogue?

if anything

[bleak spoke]

wait it's not another roll on the ulduar loot? MADGE

[waxen oyster]

wrathstone seems disgusting for dh

someone linked a 40k gain from it

[bleak spoke]

i mean wrathstone is just unannoying transmitter

[past panther]

100%

ele or frost dk

[waxen oyster]

the box from killing yogg is hero track from ulduar

the 5 bosses or 5 tw dungeons isn normal raid

[keen spruce]

Time walking trinkets won’t last more than a week

[bleak spoke]

ah good

[waxen oyster]

be warned

[bleak spoke]

they might nerf it yeah

[keen spruce]

Before they get smoked

[dapper cradle]

bro pugs can't even kill the first boss of uld

[waxen oyster]

the hero track box can also contain loot from the other wotlk raids

apparently

[bleak spoke]

flame leviathan is the hardest boss they've ever made tbh

like

bro

i've never seen a pug pass it

[past panther]

the coordination killer

[waxen oyster]

its really not that hard

[dapper cradle]

mfs will spend all their pyrite before that boss

[waxen oyster]

unlesd your bikes drop tar

which kills your demos

[bleak spoke]

i'm glad i didn't play wrath of the lich king

either when it was live or classic

[waxen oyster]

it died very fast

back then iirc

the pyrite debuff could stack much easier

[bleak spoke]

i was levelling my alts in timewalking and like

man like

[tired gull]

boner

[bleak spoke]

instant cast CC on random people is SO cool

like

it's SUPER cool

[waxen oyster]

tbh

i just kill people who get mced

[bleak spoke]

there's this pack in uh gundrak? or whatever the troll loa dungeon is

right before the last boss

with 5 mobs

that chain instant cast aoe silence

it's CRAZY

[waxen oyster]

yeah

honestly tw ulduar loot is better for outlaw

since there’s gear in there that is

80% versa

stat budget

[tired gull]

you guys excited for brd?

[bleak spoke]

mono stat versa, and also like, some haste budgetting on trinkets

[keen spruce]

I’m excited for lunch

[bleak spoke]

if they can even be usable

[tired gull]

honestly same

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure its mono stat

since blizz just replaced all old stats on that gear

with vers

[bleak spoke]

are there any jewelry pieces with mainstat

cuz some of the like timewalking vendor stuff had that

[leaden viper]

Thistle tea only in uptime?

[bleak spoke]

thistle tea when you're thirsty

[waxen oyster]

Honestly dont remember if any necks drop

[dusty crescent]

i wish wowhead had updated item levels and loot tables for Timewalking ulduar

[bleak spoke]

gonna go check

[waxen oyster]

dungeon journal

[tired gull]

does this count?

[dusty crescent]

i'm at work

[bleak spoke]

yes

holy

that's a lot of int

HOLY

[waxen oyster]

is that from brd

[tired gull]

grim batol

[waxen oyster]

just wait @bleak spoke until cata tw

[bleak spoke]

wait there's no jewelry from ulduar

[waxen oyster]

and people will drool over matrix

again

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/2ewsmVU.png

[runic hinge]

my druid got matrix in s3 df

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[runic hinge]

shoulda main swapped

[bleak spoke]

wait

[dusty crescent]

kiril fury of beasts would go crazy for sv hunters

[tired gull]

YO will BRD have barman shanker????

[vocal cradle]

Is the cool down sequence in the opener going to be the same every 2 minutes?

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/L59ZoiH.png it's like actually SO MUCH mainstat man

[waxen oyster]

i got sunking rod last BT timewalking

[dusty crescent]

you twinking at level 50? lol

[tired gull]

event in 2 weeks

[waxen oyster]

tbh i wonder if hand of justice will be good

or has game evolved past the point where proccing extra autos

is worth for trinket slot

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/13KooHs.png to give a closer ilevel

like sure the transmitter is actually better but like

[waxen oyster]

lol

[bleak spoke]

it's not better for my mental

[waxen oyster]

someone showed the 619 wrathstone was like

43k dps upgrade on a dh

[spice surge]

It also doesnt do that

The new one that is

[waxen oyster]

what’d they replace the effect with

[spice surge]

Random damage proc

[bleak spoke]

when is legion timewalking so we can get convergences from ellisande

[waxen oyster]

so probably just

worse than contract

we dont even have mop timewalking raid

yet

if they make it

[bleak spoke]

yeah in ten years it will own

anyway isn't there a crazy trinket from ToT

or something

idk all i have are a collection of stories about wow's past

[waxen oyster]

that was when snapshotting existed yes

unerring vision of lei shen

caster trinket that gave you 100% crit for 4s

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/1599WYs.png oh i meant this

[waxen oyster]

you just applied doom as demo lock when it procced

[bleak spoke]

haha it's disabled

[waxen oyster]

and every tick would crit

crits spawning more imps

yeah ferals used that

all throughout siege too

iirc

[bleak spoke]

it would be nice if like

[quick condor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak spoke]

they put the PPM on the tooltips again

[waxen oyster]

those trinkets

used to always proc on pull

[bleak spoke]

i'm so tired of refreshing wowdb on cd every tier

[tired gull]

i want soul cap back

[waxen oyster]

soulcap was the last generation

[bleak spoke]

soulcap is the HFC one right

[waxen oyster]

of procs on pull trinkets

yeah

[tired gull]

soulcap + ring was so silly

[waxen oyster]

soulcap into ring

into another soulcap proc

[tired gull]

yup

kaboom

[waxen oyster]

then you get griefed

[tired gull]

big badaboom

[real pike]

just did sub 1m DPS on Ulgrax someone tell me we got ninja nerfed or something

[bleak spoke]

i heard a story about soulcap proccing more than once and the boss dying before it went off from someone once

[waxen oyster]

yeah

also the ring explosions

was a singular explosion in melee range

from whoever activated the cd

so you needed a melee to do it

[bleak spoke]

so it was like a game of chicken?

[vale shore]

mages loved to do that

[bleak spoke]

[vale shore]

they would macro it with timewarp on the pull

[waxen oyster]

well if your mage used it

and wasnt in melee when it blew up

[bleak spoke]

there was some uh

[waxen oyster]

just wasted explosion dam

of every dps in the group

yeah

[sacred schooner]

have a newbie question, why sometimes i lose stealth in raids while trying to hit with ambush on pull? and well mark is wasted

[bleak spoke]

there was something that was like a crystal or something for arcane?

where like you could hit into it or something

and it like popped?

allegedly

[waxen oyster]

yeah prismatic crystal

[vale shore]

that was the prototype of Touch of the Magi

[waxen oyster]

with prophecy of fear trinket

[vale shore]

which just turns your target into the crystal

[spice spire]

Multiple things pull you out of stealth uh

!stealth

Fuck

[bleak spoke]

now THAT'S what we call problematic design

[spice spire]

There’s a command for it

[runic hinge]

!stealthbreak

[prisma monolith]

Stealth can break from:

• Evoker legendary buff expiring and bouncing back to the Evoker.
• Ominous Chromatic Essence trinket on buff gain
• Voice of the Silent Star when wearing it yourself
• Misterweaver soothing mist when talented into Unison
• Blossom of Amirdrassil (trinket) initial hot dropping/spreading
• Vicious brand (Signet trinket self damage)

[mortal granite]

New coming back to assassination and trying to get to grips with it again. Whats the rules on combo points and spenders? 5/6+?

[waxen oyster]

the trinket actually

was mostly just overtuned for arcane

[spice surge]

5+

[waxen oyster]

since it procced off individual spell hits

[spice spire]

5+ unless darkest night is up then max

[waxen oyster]

which each arcane missle tick counted as

[sacred schooner]

its like df stuff :x today i got out several times on ansurek for example

sometimes not

[vale shore]

trickster should have been Arcane Trickster, with some cool spellwork for the rogue

[bleak spoke]

there are real life 12 second kills on some of these raid bosses

on wcl

[waxen oyster]

yep

[bleak spoke]

LMFAO

we did speedkills in nyalotha farm, those were fun

[waxen oyster]

sub was like 2nd best spec on farm logs

[bleak spoke]

but like

[waxen oyster]

even if you were half the dam

[bleak spoke]

those were like a minute

[waxen oyster]

of the worst arcane mage

in the group

[bleak spoke]

and it already seemed degen

[waxen oyster]

brother

i knew a ww who would fr

[bleak spoke]

my gaming life before wow was rs3 speed records

[waxen oyster]

stam flask in his opener for bigger touch of karma ticks

then swap back to agi

mid opener

[bleak spoke]

degeneracy

[vale shore]

"I have a system that turns gold into damage in real time!"

[waxen oyster]

there is a consumable

that if you drink near a fire

[bleak spoke]

something i like about wow is like usually on-tier content is reasonable

[waxen oyster]

it’d give a fat dot

[bleak spoke]

even at the end of the tier

[waxen oyster]

so people would campfire drink it on pull

[mortal granite]

Ty all

[waxen oyster]

for karma in opener

actually that worked in sanctum too

[bleak spoke]

isn't that lliterally every consumable this expac

[waxen oyster]

with the eon stacks bug

[stable cove]

Are logs adjusted for buffs? For example - got 96 on mythic silkran but is it because my damage is being compared to pre buff logs? So then it is scewed? Or they adjust for it?

[bleak spoke]

and in uldir

[runic hinge]

Anserek does pulsing aoe damage

[waxen oyster]

from getting sac or kindred from a bear

kihra removed my log on the nine

because i did the bug by accident

[bleak spoke]

ROFL

[waxen oyster]

since got buff from a bear

[sacred schooner]

crap, maybe yeah since we waited for tank to pull it from middle -_- how to deal with that shadowstep with tricks?

[bleak spoke]

shadowlands is really when like wcl got really editorial i think

but tbh

invalidating stupid shit is usually hit more than miss imo

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Just tricks and don’t wait

[waxen oyster]

also lowkey

[bleak spoke]

on ansurek you can just go

[waxen oyster]

consumables were dirt cheap in wod

[bleak spoke]

with tricks

[waxen oyster]

you could self produce everything

with garrison cds

[vale shore]

yeah, WoD was a strange time for the game

[long pecan]

Quick Question
Sims for fuu say focus ascendence+patch does more than woven downthread but the wowhead page says the opposite.
The logs seems to show ascendence + patch is bis.

Wish should i trust more?

[bleak spoke]

didn't yall inflate the wow economy to the tune of like gold caps and gold caps on every alt or something

[waxen oyster]

yeah

there was also an insane amount of spectral tiger and magic rooster duping

[west crown]

does the sim not do combinations of different gems?

[waxen oyster]

people were selling the mount for like 300k

[bleak spoke]

it can in top gear

be warned those sims take forever

[long pecan]

@vestal wren #assassination message

Maybe you can help?

[west crown]

I tried it and it only came back stacking 5 of the same gem with the blasphemite

[waxen oyster]

you could also get rare world drop old purples from salvage crates

which is why shit like teebu’s was so cheap in wod

[bleak spoke]

that's probably better

[waxen oyster]

could buy one off the ah for like 10k

[bleak spoke]

then

link the sim

[runic hinge]

!crafting

[bleak spoke]

it'll be decently easy to tell

[runic hinge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[runic hinge]

There it is

[waxen oyster]

wod was basically why blizz said

they added the mad merchant vendor

[long pecan]

so BIS for raid is ascendance

[runic hinge]

Correct

[long pecan]

luck is not a factor i have daggers

[past panther]

WoD was crazy

[vestal wren]

sounds for me like a sim question

[waxen oyster]

also wild amount of gold being made from archimonde sales

[long pecan]

damn guess i fucked up a bit then

[vestal wren]

but i can re-check if somehting chanegd between embellishments

[past panther]

Ppl had soooo many alts and so many maxed garrisons

[vestal wren]

tomorrow

[lusty ruin]

How are we supposed to play the silken court fight guys? Having trouble lots of trouble doing good dmg on that boss

[past panther]

It was legit FarmVille & ppl raked in dozens of thousands of gold per toon a day for 5 minutes of clicking

[bleak spoke]

try to keep bleeds on both, don't drop the deathstalker's mark

[waxen oyster]

put rupture on both

[real pike]

maintain bleeds on both and caustic when possible

[waxen oyster]

and clap whichever you can hit

[long pecan]

Do you also happen to have an answer on why in sims fatebound>deathstalker but in game everyone plays deathstalker

[waxen oyster]

heah then the mission in legion got gutted

[severe sparrow]

i like to throw ruptures on the lil scarab bois too

but

im not pro

[lusty ruin]

Oh alright my dots are probably dropping too often then

[past panther]

Yeeee i remember

WoD was so fun in hindsight

[bleak spoke]

i did that but i think it was a loss tbh

like

[past panther]

I did 40 man premade pvp in Alterac and Ashran

[waxen oyster]

it was a great expac to raidlog

[bleak spoke]

i don't think it was relaly worth the global

cuz like at least compared to the other rogue in my raid i didn't end up getting more envs

[waxen oyster]

honestly it was a good expac unless you actually liked world content

[past panther]

Sub rogue was so simple back then too

[severe sparrow]

i think it's a ymmv cuz our guild is real bad at kiting them into melee to get blendered

[waxen oyster]

lmfao

you could castsequence

[past panther]

All of the specs were really simple back then compared to now

[waxen oyster]

the entire sub opener

[west crown]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dcC9pdrHTRDeSLzsyKQSsr

[past panther]

I remember lmao

[waxen oyster]

i probably still have the macro

[runic hinge]

In bis sims fatedound can be better but that’s in absolutely the best gear possible. DS has better defensives and can sim better for people depending on their current gear. (For me it’s 5% better) also with the tuning yesterday DS got even stronger.

[bleak spoke]

actually i did get more envenoms, but i still think it wasn't as good maybe

[long pecan]

alright then ty

[severe sparrow]

probs a in the moment kinda deal idk

[vale shore]

deathstalker can be completely locked out of the spec though, if the boss just flys off for a bit, or you dont get your re-mark in some other way

[severe sparrow]

i dont claim to be a really knowledgeable rogue

[waxen oyster]

The little scarabs i wouldnt dot in a guild run

random pug maybe

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/q88oWAT.png like my gear's a lot worse (one on the left), but it's also like i think my rupture avg cast was way more diluted than the other stuff

[waxen oyster]

idk im just a dumb pirate andy in hc

i listen to ace refund sound effect for dopamine

[bleak spoke]

like if you look at the avg rupture cast dmg vs. avg say melee cast dmg it's clearly like way less than the gear differential

[waxen oyster]

and just hit things

i know the pull is being griefed

if i get 5 roll opener with 7 bte resets

[frosty vigil]

can you use 1ironclaw and one algari mana oil at the same time?

[severe sparrow]

ive always been an ass woman at heart but used to be scared to play it in keys so i went outlaw and damn there's some truth there

getting that sweet sweet refund chain

[waxen oyster]

assa is chill in keys

imo

[west crown]

@bleak spoke found the +4 color button. Brb in an hour

[severe sparrow]

i was scared off by the dot management in df

[waxen oyster]

partly because half the time i play outlaw with pugs i get some tank who thinks hes in the mdi and leaves 3 casters 40yd away freecasting

[bleak spoke]

sorry i was gonna get to it i got distracted haha

hmmm, actually https://i.imgur.com/32f0kf0.png i don't know if my sequencing is accurate here

how does the sim play 2t

like this feels? correct to me

[golden loom]

Do you play Imp garrote on silken then if keeping dots on both? Will probably get lost in the opener but sounds good

[bleak spoke]

yeah i'm imp garrote and shrouded

we both were

[spring moat]

this does an emote.. not yell or say lol. cant find anything like that

[severe sparrow]

idk that never bothered me but now i just get bummed when the tank is chain pulling without slowing down so all the mobs are strung out in like a 60 yd chain

[waxen oyster]

i assume the sim just maintains rupture

and garrote for maintarget

[severe sparrow]

cant spatter shit cant stealth just cry

[craggy elk]

is assassination still the best out of the three?

[waxen oyster]

for what

[past panther]

I do lol last time i played suuuuper actively was WoD. I played for 1 tier in legion and 1 tier in BFA and that was it

[craggy elk]

dps wise

after the updates today

[waxen oyster]

really depends on the boss

[severe sparrow]

yeah but dps for what

or overall?

[waxen oyster]

queen on mythic is still sub

i think silken mythic is too?

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/XX62uiu.png like maybe his sequencing was more accurate

now that i'm looking at it

[past panther]

Sub seems really satisfying but I don’t want to redo my gear

[waxen oyster]

idk about first 4 bosses rogue across the board kinda down bad for those

[bleak spoke]

i think we both walked in with CTW on

or something

[cinder bone]

man the sin buffs are so nice in m+

[bleak spoke]

which also complicates it

[past panther]

The flying thing is great for assassination

[waxen oyster]

rash is good for sin since boss is just on execute range

for most of the fight

[cinder bone]

actually getting invited to 9s consistently now

[cloud basin]

I think sin needs more buffs

[past panther]

His mathematical start value is 60% so over half of the fight is execution for sin

[glad osprey]

what's the best way to farm valorstones rn?

I seem to run out of those faster than crests idk why

[severe sparrow]

idk i kinda blast on the second one sometimes relative to the rest of my guild

[past panther]

Clear your raids and do m+

[waxen oyster]

radiant echo

5 fragment event

[past panther]

Play the game

[golden loom]

Not getting a muttilate earlier to trigger spatter seems pretty bad right?

[glad osprey]

radiant echo???

[past panther]

The thing you get from bountiful delves

[waxen oyster]

yeah using 5 of them for the event gives me like 250

[past panther]

Worldsoul world quest

[waxen oyster]

for 5mins

[glad osprey]

o wait i see

[gray horizon]

find a big group doing it though

if you just do it solo you wont get shit for rewards

[waxen oyster]

i need to do those

i dont have enough valorstones to make my spark

rn

[cobalt sphinx]

didn't spatter the initial damage of the kingsbane

[bleak spoke]

yeah that's why i think mine was inaccurate

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/epik-epik-duck-teh-epik-duck-send-it-gif-784874017325038558

[bleak spoke]

though tbh like the early spatter isn't that much

[severe sparrow]

i havent done any radiant echos tbh i just

[waxen oyster]

my favorite part about sin in lower keys

[severe sparrow]

i did one on my alt and went "damn this is annoying"

[waxen oyster]

is pressing kb on a mob is like an internal brain skull marker

for other dps

[cobalt sphinx]

the initial hit of kingsbane is almost 20% of its total damage

you should get spatter up for it i think

court is a crazy fight for assassination too

[golden loom]

Yeah and 2 envenoms is kinda big, the 2nd one is even a DN proc isnt it?

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/0YyI98y.png yeh like my spatter was 1m lower

like to be fair i'm missing a lot of ilevels

but like

hmm i think double bleeding on pull is accurate

but i need to muti

faster

like i think ambush garrote rupture snd garrote muti on the marked boss rupture off target

then i go

tbh the CTW fucked me up

is what really happened

[severe sparrow]

did this start as is it worth it to rupture small scarabs and then turn into "well i gotta get luckier, more geared, and change my opener"?

[stiff talon]

My first 2mill overall 😄

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/CpResVS.png i think i just click it off

like

this is

counterproductive

even though it feels nice to use it

this is super counterproductive

that should be a muti

that's crazy

[golden loom]

I mean you can use it later right? Doesnt it also spatter

[bleak spoke]

like legitimately inted my face off

yeah

[cobalt sphinx]

i just checked my court opener

looks like i used tricks on the enhance

[verbal flower]

on silken court do you hold until the double damage phase?

[golden loom]

Think you are supposed to just blast

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/wl01VjI.png like i did a bit better than a lot of the main raiders (i'm retired, just helper on splits) but like i think this is really imprecise play still

[past panther]

holy shit a guild with more than one rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

damn you have some blasters

[bleak spoke]

i'm the helper, the other rogue is in the other split

[past panther]

I am literally the only rogue in my guild

Everyone else is pally, shaman, Druid, warrior or mage

[golden loom]

You guys have guilds? Aware

[bleak spoke]

we've got a lot of dps but very small brains

like

we do a lot of trolling

it's been that way since i played and never changed

we're also like super melee heavy

every tier blizz makes some boss where

you're punished for having lots of melee

it feels

[cosmic mica]

nw?

[tired gull]

lfr silken court is serious sheesh

[bleak spoke]

lowkey ignore everything and just blast on lfr the charge doesn't kill you

[stiff talon]

Stonevault

[tired gull]

yup

outdps'd a frost mage 15 ilvls higher than me 😎

[bleak spoke]

(i have done so much lfr on my newly capped alts, legitimately so many classes are so fun rn)

one of my favorite things to do is like open up the details of rogue players in lfr

and see wtf happened

and you see some CRAZY shit

[tired gull]

hahaha yeah

[bleak spoke]

was skarmorak bad with aug or are you just so tanky it can be a bit unclean and you're ok

actually maybe unholy just owns the crystals with death coil

idk

[stiff talon]

We usually got all the adds down fine.

[bleak spoke]

can you show the like enemy dmg taken on the cyrstals if your details is still open

[tropic acorn]

Can someone help me with opener? Ambush to Garrote and garrote again

[bleak spoke]

i'm a bit curious

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak spoke]

i feel like stonevault can be played super technically and i kinda just spaghet through it

[waxen oyster]

i did an ansurek lfr

and was highest dam as vdh

....

[bleak spoke]

LOL

the platform launches

[waxen oyster]

i wasnt even playing

[bleak spoke]

freaked me out

[waxen oyster]

immo aura crits

[bleak spoke]

cuz you can get sent to the other side

[waxen oyster]

or soulcarver

[bleak spoke]

wher eyou're like "holy fuck i swear i was on the right side of the dead add's orb"

[spice spire]

Buddy you could have stopped here

[bleak spoke]

and then you go on a journey all the way LOL

[waxen oyster]

though people who dont play

spirit bomb

[bleak spoke]

they like automatically split you evenly

[waxen oyster]

need to be locked up

[stiff talon]

What are they called again? Void Crystal? Or something liekt hat?

[bleak spoke]

dont' you need to drop sigil of chains to get there

[waxen oyster]

no

most people dont play chains anymore

iirc

[bleak spoke]

yeh just set the details pane to enemy dmg taken, and then isolate it to the boss's segment

[bleak spoke]

i think that is crazy behavior

[waxen oyster]

You lose either dam

or tankiness

[tired gull]

mommy ansurek 🤤

[stiff talon]

The tank did it all XD

[waxen oyster]

ngl

prot warrior is mildly fun

this season

[spice spire]

Pwar tempting

[waxen oyster]

I swear every key feels slower

with aug

[spice spire]

One less dammer

[grizzled fulcrum]

Slower but safer

[waxen oyster]

Idk nothing 10 and below is dangerous

[tired gull]

maybe i'll get normal ring tonight

[misty bough]

got Skardyn's grace from last weeks vault and only had time to do 1 +10 this week, what are the odds that I get another one..

Any masterystackers?

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

just do more keys Whispyr

it will drop dw

[silk bane]

check dms its gonna make you feel better

im still laughing

[bleak spoke]

wait that's crazy

[silk bane]

where shmeeps keyge

[bleak spoke]

prot warrior OWNS wtf

wtf is he even casting on it

[keen spruce]

he nappin by the warband campfire

[bleak spoke]

okay wow

[slim pebble]

Again I ask. Yall are looting Skardyns?

[waxen oyster]

no im stuck using transmitter

[bleak spoke]

thunder blast is probably passive from hero tree? devastator is demonblades for prot shield slam is basically the only thing he's really hitting into it i think

[misty bough]

does this even mean anything, are we talking total damage or dps?

total damage over how long? 2hours? 10sec?

[bleak spoke]

we're looking at the dmg on the crystals on skarmorak

in stonevault

[strong wing]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[stiff talon]

Yea, just the crystal adds on the rock boss. Just what the tank did.

[waxen oyster]

thunderblast is upgraded thunderclap

from thane tree

[bleak spoke]

oh so when he claps it'll just go

[proven jasper]

thane tree cranks

[waxen oyster]

sometimes when you shield slam your next clap is converted

to blast

[bleak spoke]

ah

[waxen oyster]

also when you avatar you get 2 charges of it

[bleak spoke]

👏 👏 look the crystal disappeared

prot warriors are such magicians

[waxen oyster]

you can also intervene your group members

for a magic shield

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

but most prots dont do that

[stiff talon]

Wulf does, guy saves my life often XD

[bleak spoke]

whenever i play alts i love doing like their class specific shit basically

so i send int ring of peaces, die on cooldown trying to intervene die by the sword, etc etc

man i wish rogue had more than just tricks

as like

supportive stuff

i guess iron wire counts

[proven jasper]

groupwide vial/cloak when

[limber lion]

nej

[bleak spoke]

i'm still waiting for those vial buffs they promised in shadowlands beta when they cut vial healing in half

that we just never got

[muted aspen]

Hey! Hello! :)
How big is recent assa buff?

[bleak spoke]

🙂

[stiff talon]

Group Vial would be sick. Make it like a lock rock. Put down a barrel and everyone gets a glass.

[proven jasper]

Still waiting for recoup to work

[limber lion]

Hey! Hello! :)
pins.

[bleak spoke]

check pins

hey cev how're you doing

[limber lion]

doing good! very busy

just came home from a gig, gotta head straight to bed to wake up for work and a general in the morning

[nocturne oasis]

Atp you can’t convince me skardyns grace is a real trinket

[limber lion]

how's lettuce?

🫂

[bleak spoke]

i've never worried about recoup because i've always just wanted them to completely remove snd xdd

[proven jasper]

good thing they basically are

[bleak spoke]

decent enough, playing a bunch of wow again cuz classes are fun, but just taking it easy (no longer raiding or pushing key really)

life is goin'

[bleak spoke]

about to open shadowstrike eviscerate on subtlety instead of shadowstrike snd, huge improvement shakes fist

[limber lion]

Yeah I'm also a big boy

Rocking solid 4/8 HC atm

🥶

[proven jasper]

Yeah dont get me wrong its annoying

[bleak spoke]

i've been getting my fix by helping with my guild's splits every week basically haha

every tuesday i have infinite fomo

[tawny pawn]

dont wanna be the feelcraft guy

but im feeling stronger in dungeons

after the changes

[limber lion]

As you should

Because we got a massive buff

[tawny pawn]

i did almost 1.7m no aug in a 11

[quaint dragon]

Why not 2m?

[crisp pine]

just do more damage lol

[tawny pawn]

Sorry ill get better

[little moth]

did they fix mark on 2nd boss in siege

getting DN when she jumps up now

[tawny pawn]

i dont have that many issues with dn i just dont use it 7cp

and wait for transitions

[long pecan]

By tuning you mean the buff to follow the blood ? We dont use that tho?

Or just the default sin tunning

[bleak spoke]

whoah they're actually fixing encounters for it?

that fucking owns

[young dust]

how does it work altogether with Spatter? if the main target is <35% it will affect the spatter?

[bleak spoke]

well we don't actually have better defensives in ds because flensing knives

[young dust]

this is what makes sense reading Spatter, but I'd like to know if someone can confirm it

[limber lion]

No

[bleak spoke]

should work like that, i'm actually unsure @balmy condor does spatter calc before zoldycks dmg is applied or not

[limber lion]

All damage amps (Shiv/Zoldyck/etc) come last in the calculation, so Spatter counts the damage first and only then the calculation applies the % increase on the main target.

[bleak spoke]

ah

thanks i hate it

[limber lion]

A lot of people think that Shiv increases Spatter damage

but it doesn't

[bleak spoke]

i had the suspicion that it would be like this

[limber lion]

Pressing Shiv in AoE without the AP talent and outside of KB

is kinda not worth it

It's better to press something else

[bleak spoke]

in a way it's a little like uh, how when we had BTE stun on outlaw, flurry would calc before prey on the weak

[limber lion]

But AP and KB windows are of course a bit different

[bleak spoke]

[limber lion]

Yup very similar.

[coral ibex]

you can just change the text output channel…

[bleak spoke]

i think in most keys you still want to shiv your KB target just because you're usually sending on the mob that's prio in the pack

[limber lion]

Yep KB is a bit different for sure

[bleak spoke]

but I think i might consider just not shiving depending on like

how much dmg the group has

how many cds etc

[runic hinge]

The default

[bleak spoke]

just to milk the mob for one more kb tick hopefully

or possibly get another envenom over

etc

[spice spire]

You milking mobs?

[limber lion]

me next, me next

[young dust]

well fuck that's a bummer

[limber lion]

🥛

[spice spire]

[bleak spoke]

if get the pepsi from u i need to get the milk from somewhere

[young dust]

the text is far from clear on that regard

[storm forum]

When was the last time we had an enemy Tauren mob to milk?

[limber lion]

It sure is yeah

[spice spire]

Brother ain’t no way ur bringing the pilk back

[limber lion]

Tooltips in WoW are notoriously confusing

A lot of them are just flat out incorrect

[spice spire]

You’re sick

[storm forum]

Very

Don't tell the hospital, I don't wanna go back.

[strong wing]

Isnt suposed to sim higher mandate and skardyns/transmitter than this last ones plus a passive one?

[royal lantern]

||e621||

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m already sending an ambulance to ur location

[waxen oyster]

kurog?

[storm forum]

Thanks, I hate you

[bleak spoke]

i was on my mage yesterday, the 4p tooltip says it has a 1% chance of refunding "some" of the cooldown on phoenix flames - it's actually 50% and gives 2/3s of a charge back roughly

[spice spire]

I hate me 2 dw

[waxen oyster]

big black || cow ||

[spice spire]

Love rob dyrdeks bodyguard

[bleak spoke]

idk how you could possibly write some tooltips worse than they're written tbh

[limber lion]

Love that

[waxen oyster]

im a big fan of the dh 4p

and how it simply will not proc

if bd cd is shorter than 2s

[royal lantern]

is envenom poison dmg or not

:3

wow tooltips

[bleak spoke]

it's supposed to protect your feelings

[royal lantern]

we love em

[bleak spoke]

but actually it just attacks your dps

cuz it "feels bad" when a non charge ability gets a proc when it's almost off cd

[waxen oyster]

i mean im ass at the class

pov when i whiff my essb

[loud light]

the outlaw main gauche tooltip description was completely wrong for like 3 expansions at least

[waxen oyster]

well

[loud light]

I forget if they ever fixed that to match what happens in game

[waxen oyster]

main gauche doesnt do shit

so no real loss?

[bleak spoke]

you could be bad, or you could be on a hill, or on a differently colored bit of ground, or on the dawnbreaker ship, many possibilities

[waxen oyster]

hmm

sim wants me to make crafted legs

but 1st boss fr drops some

[bleak spoke]

on rogue?

[waxen oyster]

yeah

its because i only have 619s

though

[bleak spoke]

i think you wait for next box

crit mastery on legs

[waxen oyster]

so makes sense since highest

[bleak spoke]

for tier

[waxen oyster]

agi gain

[bleak spoke]

unless you need it now for prog i guess

[waxen oyster]

yeah unlikely

would just be ilvl peen flexing

[bleak spoke]

i think if i get mythic legs out of the box next week i'll take ascendance off my dagger and put dawnthread on waist or boots or something

[waxen oyster]

inherently it feels better use of crests

to send gildeds on myth track gear

then 4/6 hero

[bleak spoke]

like i catalyzed a mythic chestpiece but it's kinda annoying cuz the stats are so whatever

[distant birch]

Hey, does anyone have a WA text indicating when we're not in stealth?

[waxen oyster]

my chest is still 619

and trinkets, but trinks because champ track

[distant birch]

getting back after a 6 month break TUH

[bleak spoke]

err, mine shows that i'm in stealth on my buffs was

did nothing come up on the wago search that you liked

[waxen oyster]

only annoying thing is sometimes i troll myself

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/e5YwhVy.png my gear is a horror show LMFAO

[waxen oyster]

when the other rogue shrouds while im outside

and brain sees my ass in stealth

i feel like that mog needs a different colored crown

[bleak spoke]

yeh

i have the wrong one on

[distant birch]

yeah i can't find it

[rain mortar]

Guys sin rogue is breaking the game

[waxen oyster]

Where's your crafted?

[bleak spoke]

https://wago.io/qObd1tB9I i exported mine, you can change it from an icon to something else

[distant birch]

I will ask in the other channels before w8 haha

[waxen oyster]

i also just realized you have a delve belt

not even crafted

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

i have a crafted ring because uhhh....

[bleak spoke]

the wrists are crafted but i didn't have crests that week so i just crafted it as a placeholder

to have an embellish

[waxen oyster]

i am totally not a bug abuser

totally not

[royal iron]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[bleak spoke]

totally an accident

🙂

my guildies were like 50/50 on whether to do it

we really don't want to have anyone get bonked cuz nexus princess prog rn

and everyone on the bench is literally melee

[waxen oyster]

totally just wanted to send gildeds

[bleak spoke]

tbh you really only save like

45? crests if you pull a mythic one out of the keys vault

[waxen oyster]

Well

[bleak spoke]

i think was what we figured out

[waxen oyster]

my rings were 610 max

[bleak spoke]

but yeah it's a lot less annoying

[waxen oyster]

prior

[bleak spoke]

yeah

in the short run

[waxen oyster]

doesnt it count

60 to send a ring from 623 to 636

if you pull myth from vault

[bleak spoke]

yeah but the craft costs more than the full send

or whatever

right

[waxen oyster]

costs 90 yes

this is assuming you pull a myth ring ig

its prob accounting for if you were upgrading a ring from 619

[bleak spoke]

isn't it 45 to go from 623 to 636

yeh

or is it 60

[waxen oyster]

636 is 5/6 myth i think

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[waxen oyster]

623 is 1/6

[bleak spoke]

i think maybe the person who was doing the calc might have had gotten like ansurek ring or something

on hc

for it to make sense for it to be 45

idk

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean ansurek ring is 626 drop on hc isnt it

[bleak spoke]

cuz that one comes fully upgraded

yeh

[waxen oyster]

me when i get sikran neck

and its 6/6

[bleak spoke]

regardless 45 or 60, that's still at least 1/2 a week worth of upgrades

it's just

i mean surely blizz won't bonk you right

[waxen oyster]

i took shoulders last week

its not the biggest piece but had avoidance

[bleak spoke]

we're kinda paranoid cuz our enhance sham got bonked when they bonked method for 4 days

[waxen oyster]

just feels better to send on myth since you know you had to send crests on that slot regardless

renown exploiters

[bleak spoke]

and like 10-15 ppl got aids pugging with him

he's a degen alt player, i don't think he even actually got anything out of it

legit auction house/crafting goblin

[zenith cedar]

Are we always looking to pool outside CD window?

[waxen oyster]

how bad degen alt

oh that

[zenith cedar]

Is there any reason I shouldn't be pooling outside of my CDs?

[bleak spoke]

like his entertainment outside of actually raiding is like trying to corner markets on stuff

we have two of those specimens in my guild it's gross

actually like three or four

[zenith cedar]

Sounds like you get free cauldrons/feasts xD

[bleak spoke]

yeah, at least all our stuff is paid for

[waxen oyster]

ig some people like that

and its wow gold so

not real risk

[bleak spoke]

during shadowlands, my guild funded i think like 7 leggos for me without question

was supposed to be 2 per raider per tier

[jagged niche]

as they should

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure had 2 ah goblins in df

[bleak spoke]

but like

[waxen oyster]

but both were greedy with their gold

so

[bleak spoke]

idk man rogue played a different covenant for every activity

i think i probably have the any% floor 9 torghast

[waxen oyster]

I was so lost in the sauce

i finished every cov campaign

s1

[jagged niche]

tbh sl was a good expansion after the covenant changes (and conduits)

especially s3 and s4

[bleak spoke]

i came back after our sylvanas prog and i did 3 covenants, and i was like i'm finally done, and then like it was like "hey maybe we're playing sepsis sin on sepulchre prog"

and i was like

okay i guess i'll just go finish up 💀

[waxen oyster]

did you not play nf

in s1

[bleak spoke]

i didn't play cn

[waxen oyster]

oh good

that tier sucked

[bleak spoke]

just sanctum farm into sepulchre

[jagged niche]

nf ☠️

[arctic tusk]

is the sin rogue sim updated in !fuu

[waxen oyster]

you fr played for burrs

[spice spire]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

and your cov ability was a rupture nature dam

with mastery on use

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/ENPbMuW.png i think i only ended up playing it in heroic

[spice spire]

Sim was ran today

[bleak spoke]

[spice spire]

So gonna say yeah

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak spoke]

if i recall correct your first and second dmg sources were deadly poison followed by melee

i'm pretty sure i was too disgusted to actually play it on mythic

[dense cloud]

I fuck with this buff ngl

[bleak spoke]

and in the end like sub felt correct on every fight except dreadlords

and in a twist of irony, it was bonespike sin on dreadlords anyway

[jagged niche]

which key

[dense cloud]

tirna

with shit pulls

from a monk

[jagged niche]

thats still decent

[waxen oyster]

lol i remember playing sub that tier

[bleak spoke]

i miss 1 minute flag

i can't believe they reverted it

[waxen oyster]

i mean it was only 1min

due to lego

[bleak spoke]

yeh

but

[rare jackal]

god damn i blasted at ovinax

new assa damage is pretty good

[bleak spoke]

it was about to be 1min in the anniversary patch coming up

and they changed it back

and moved blades down from 2 to 1:30

[waxen oyster]

so they basically just made sub

the same it is rn

[tacit hedge]

ANyone know why this is BiS necklace? All it does is give you defense no?

[waxen oyster]

except

you get less sectecs

in your cds

[runic hinge]

Second details with surv hunter and boomkin in the last hour. Where are you finding these people

[spice spire]

Vers is also an offensive secondary

?

Also provides stats + cantrips for damage is usually a good combo

[waxen oyster]

the vers buff is like

50% uptime

or higher

[zenith prairie]

How do you look at that neck and be confused

[dense cloud]

wasnt my key

[waxen oyster]

it's just straight up

more stats than any other neck

[tired gull]

i miss running maw of souls 8324 times per day

[zenith prairie]

Really good stats plus a huge buff

[tacit hedge]

Ahhh I thought Vers was just dmg reduction

[waxen oyster]

....

Do you read your character pane

ever

[tired gull]

verse wouldn't be valuable if it were only def

and yet it's only slightly worse than the other 3

[waxen oyster]

Nah people just jerk off mastery

to an unholy degree

[zenith cedar]

hey does anyone know why this mythic avoidance trinket is bis? it only provide defensive stats

[nimble tartan]

on god sin is so squishy

i hate it!!

[jagged niche]

huh

[waxen oyster]

well sin is squish relative to outlaw

technically

[nimble tartan]

sin is squishy!!

ya forsure feel way safer on the law

[jagged niche]

compared to other speccs its not

[waxen oyster]

outlaw stacks vers

and feint has like a nonexistent cd

[jagged niche]

i do know that, but thats a general statement, when you look at other classes sin is still super tanky

[nimble tartan]

i forgot i was in the all specs discord my b

[waxen oyster]

Honestly? Not really

sin would be mid tier at best

warrior is tankier

dk is 100% tankier

[runic hinge]

I’m tankier than all that

[jagged niche]

forgot youre in outlaw specc discussion xdd

[tired gull]

yeah but then you have to play idiot class that wears plate 🤮

[runic hinge]

Built diffy

[waxen oyster]

like don't dks just have

a passive 30% dr

below 35%

for some reason

[zenith prairie]

Dks and paladins are unkillable

[tired gull]

it's obviously because plate provides more armor

[waxen oyster]

warriors would be unkillable if you didnt factor in

the average iq of a warrior main

[tired gull]

we're leather squishmallows

[zenith prairie]

At least we’re better than enhance sham

[waxen oyster]

No idea what you mean shaman has the best immunity in the game

it works vs everything

[bleak spoke]

are you on nexus princess

[nimble tartan]

im about to be bro

[bleak spoke]

you know what would be nice

if you didn't get flensing from long cloak

and could actually play

20% magic wall on evasion 🙂

[nimble tartan]

we still can bro..