assassination

[topaz crystal]

that makes so much sense

[iron ivy]

Anyone else getting sort of bugs during queen ansurek fight? I press a skill, the global cooldown occurs, but it doesnt actually do anything. For example, I use rupture, but it is not applied.

[topaz crystal]

fuck i thought i was smart

[novel star]

it’s not just about energy and finishers

the builder is also doing bad damage when u fan

and giving you worse finishers

points above 5 still matter

[topaz crystal]

do you guys get windows when ur energy is just totally fucked? or is that preventable

[novel star]

you just don’t build mkre on 5 because of overcapping

[keen spruce]

Also you will almost always hit all of your empowered cp during the ER window without trying to

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

^

[keen spruce]

So you’re not losing any finisher efficiency most of the th ne

Griefing your builder efficiency just to hit empowered earlier doesn’t rly matter if you are gonna clear them anyways

[runic hinge]

I didnt hit 2 in my last key it’s joever

We’re flipping coins now

[leaden viper]

What should a assa rogues dps be

[topaz crystal]

im glad i joined this disc to ask the Q

[subtle kiln]

Because I made his sword.

[topaz crystal]

thank you

[spice spire]

The revenge

Of scathic - Mal’Ganis

[somber sparrow]

66% of what the sim says 😄

[subtle kiln]

I take care of the MG rogues in here

[novel star]

it should ideally be 100% of what the sim says if you sim target dummy and then hit a target dummy

[spice spire]

I abandoned them

Hate a52 too

[novel star]

other than simming yourself on dummy settings that is an impossible question to answer

[runic hinge]

You abandoned all of us

[topaz crystal]

another question - with a trinket that has a cast time, how do you properly incorporate that into your opening?

[ocean stirrup]

that exist?

[novel star]

everyone does different dps because of different gear

[spice spire]

Brother I’m literally right here

[spice spire]

Painfully

[serene solar]

Alright dont roast me but this is a fine breakdown right? GB

[spice spire]

Pop serum right before dm

[spice spire]

UH

[runic hinge]

[topaz crystal]

do you lose your stealth benefits by using the trinket?

[spice spire]

So like

Depending on pulls

Yes

[subtle kiln]

Ask him how many keys he skipped out on with me.

[topaz crystal]

Ok so use it on downtime midfight?

[spice spire]

Likely little low on caustic

[runic hinge]

Caustic is lower today

[serene solar]

It was a 7 GB and the tank was scared to ever pull big sadly.

[spice spire]

Always line serum with dm

[spice spire]

Then this makes sense

[iron ivy]

Does anyone know why my rupture wasnt applied? Global cooldown occurred, but nothing happened :/

[serene solar]

This was everyones overall

[novel star]

not that much

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Yeah seems legit

[topaz crystal]

apply dm first then use serum?

[spice spire]

NO

[serene solar]

Cool thanks.

[spice spire]

Serum then dm

Want no downtime during dm

[keen spruce]

Why Diet Pepsi

[ionic fox]

the fuck is serum

[spice spire]

Lore. Iykyk

[keen spruce]

Idk

[topaz crystal]

its a trinket

[spice spire]

Delve trinket

[somber sparrow]

did you get parried by chance or "miss"

[serene solar]

Serum is a delve trink

[spice spire]

I think only three people that visit this channel know

[topaz crystal]

so on the opening then, do i pop serum early, stealth, then ambush for dm application?

[keen spruce]

OT lore?

[iron ivy]

Don't believe so. I got another clip where the same happens for mutilate, but it doesnt show any 'miss' or anything

[novel star]

Parried, you’re in front of the boss

[ionic fox]

ahhh okay its bad

[iron ivy]

Ah so it doesnt show 'parried' when it's parried

Okay thanks

[novel star]

i mean idk but i cant imagine any other way you would get a real gcd and no effect

[somber sparrow]

for sure just be sure to be behind the boss at the start, it's even worse when ambush parries and now the deathstalker debuff doesn't apply lol

[iron ivy]

Stupid mechanic but I'll try to stand behind the boss I guess

Exactly

I thought I was crazy, but luckily I clipped it

Seems to happen a lot at start of ansurek fight

[novel star]

well

if you start ansurek like that every time

then ya

[iron ivy]

🙂

[spice spire]

Deeper than that

the forbidden lore

[iron ivy]

Makes a lot of sense, but I just wasn't sure if parry was still a thing

[novel star]

you’d get a lot of parries by consistently attacking the front of the boss enough times

oh it is

[topaz crystal]

wait is there a benefit to being behind target on assn? or just that boss

WTF

[iron ivy]

Pretty annoying to have it mess up the entire fight possibly

[topaz crystal]

i didnt know that

[novel star]

parry also steals your echoing reprimand points

[storm forum]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[topaz crystal]

WHAT IT DOES?

[novel star]

and parry steals your kingsbane dot

[iron ivy]

Might explain some of my dps losses in that fight

Is that only for rogue or for every class, any idea?

[novel star]

every melee in the game

gets parried when in front of the boss

wow sucks

[iron ivy]

Aha, alright good to know. Thanks!

[novel star]

2004 mechanic

[iron ivy]

Trash mechanic

[topaz crystal]

dont mean to be annoying, but im tryna understand, can anyone answer this? "so on the opening then, do i pop serum early, stealth, then ambush for dm application?"

[modest glen]

Rest in peace hit rating but a small piece of you will always remain 😂

[spice spire]

Oh

Death mark

Not deathstalker mark

That’s my bad

[flat sleet]

i'm lucky we need no more hitcap 😄

[topaz crystal]

fuck sorry

[spice spire]

Serum into deathmark

No no

[still pewter]

Timewalking trinket worth?

[spice spire]

That’s on me for using an abbreviation

[runic hinge]

Expertise innit?

[spice spire]

It’s good

600 off from grace

[topaz crystal]

i thought u meant ds mark tho

lol

so thats clarifying

[spice spire]

Yeah understandable

Yeah it’s serum > deathmark

You don’t want empty spaces during drathmark

[topaz crystal]

OK so serum is just part of the opening then

[spice spire]

Ye

[topaz crystal]

Got it, ty

[novel star]

deathmark is dm ds mark is dsm

[spice spire]

And every dm after that

[novel star]

[topaz crystal]

Ok ill adjust my opening with that in mind

ty all so much btw

[humble ginkgo]

parry

[young dust]

+9 SV

but if the tank was just doing those packs of 4 for you then i can see envenom being higher, idk

GB is hella loaded with packs of 4 enemies

[runic hinge]

Crazy details profile tbh

[novel star]

i have seen that one multiple times in here

[ripe orbit]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

it makes ur ui look consistent guess

fuk it

swag out

[spice spire]

I mean yeah caustic value drops the less that’s pulled
Number was more than fine.

[dapper cradle]

You guys run caustic on ansurek?

[young dust]

yes

[young dust]

as long as tank is positioning correctly you can spatter adds, shackles, acolytes, basically everything

[spice spire]

[dapper cradle]

Very based, thanks king

[runic hinge]

How is boot

[desert inlet]

hidey

think he's under couch maybe

[keen spruce]

I miss boots

[desert inlet]

[keen spruce]

@desert inlet have you been to hopscotch?

[spice spire]

The game?

[desert inlet]

negative

[vivid seal]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[keen spruce]

Interactive art exhibit

With booze and food

[desert inlet]

I like art and food

I should go

[teal stratus]

random question but is Indiscriminate Carnage smart? will it prefer to be Garrote and Rupture on new targets?

[spice spire]

Yes

[teal stratus]

god bless thank you

[spice spire]

Unlike me; I am very dumb

[keen spruce]

I might go check it out this weekend if our dnd session doesn’t happen

[spice spire]

Anytime big dog

[lucid silo]

this seems kinda good

[magic dust]

Quick question, does garrote affect caustic spatter dmg?

Or is caustic spatter only weapon poison dmg?

[graceful solstice]

it's not just WEAPON poison, but it is only poison

and garrote is not a poison

[cobalt sphinx]

It will give 2% more damage from lethal dose 🙂

Well actually it might not haha

[magic dust]

So rupture is also not causing caustic spatter dmg, you just need it to apply it?

[severe sparrow]

real talk is transmitter too cancer to use? hero track one sims 11k higher than my trinkets now, but i could also take a myth track crit/vers ring from NW that i cant afford to upgrade atm

[brittle quail]

well rupture can make you gain agi so indirectly it does boost caustic splatter dmg

[slim pebble]

My wife opened this for me, both trinkets have tertiary on them and so does the wrist

[blazing jewel]

[graceful solstice]

Correct. Casting mutilate on a target you have Rupture on will put the spatter debuff on it. After that, 40% of your poison damage to that target will cleave onto others. But rupture and garrote are bleeds, not poison, so the damage they do does not contribute to spatter.

[winged widget]

tell that to the classes/specs using their dmg amps on mandate trinket

[cosmic mica]

Does this even work if it gets desynced by the Void Emmisary buff?

[balmy condor]

I said regular not always

Every fucking time I explain this

Some smartass

XDDD BUT

[crimson current]

actually seems good

have you simmed it already?

[errant mauve]

in M+ is 2 whetstone better than 1 wax 1stone?'

[young dust]

so thats where the items from my vault went

[winged widget]

gotta keep the trend going

[young dust]

[worthy surge]

Hi all hows the buffs to ass rogue are we Gucci?

[solar orbit]

Question is, why doesn't caustic specify that it affects envenom as well ffs

[spice spire]

Always were

[lucid silo]

simming it now

[graceful solstice]

i simmed all the TW stuff earlier and the only good one seemed to be wrathstone

[lucid silo]

pretty good in m+ not ideal in ST

[crimson current]

if you dont mind posting the results and what are u using now

[worthy surge]

40 grim batol keys not 1 trinket lol 😆

[lucid silo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jbgMDKnvei67K4cAaTY17Y

[crimson current]

ty, not that good tho

[lucid silo]

yeah pretty bad in ST

or, decent

[bronze dune]

is algari mana oil a good alternative to whetstone or not really?

[lucid silo]

just worse than a lower ilvl void reaper

[crimson current]

im running with spyglass and skardyns

but i just play m+

will try to sim in dg slice after

[gentle badger]

So vicious venoms the play if my patchwerk ST sims are showing it as equal to garrote build? Assuming the vicious venoms buff from tier isn't reflected in sims

[royal lantern]

whetstone is ~1%

oil is like, ~0,8-0,7%

doesnt make a real difference

[crimson current]

i was running with it when i didnt have enough gold to buy so much stones, ig is decent

[mint valve]

is aoe supposed to feel weaker right now?

i cry

[royal lantern]

yes you do

cus you just asked that

[mint valve]

noi

[royal lantern]

[mint valve]

i will not look at the pins

never.

LOOL

[runic hinge]

It’s fine

[near vale]

are whetstones still like 5k for r3s

[slim pebble]

Okay, how had is transmitter to use actually

I got heroic version in box, it sims absurdly high

[near vale]

its fucking shit

if theres a lot of shit going on

you cannot see the shit on the ground

[kindred elm]

With the changes this week does that mean the 11.0.5 changes are going to be even a bigger buff then expected?

[near vale]

but the buff is so good

[royal lantern]

what does "absurdly high" mean

[slim pebble]

It’s like a 2.3% upgrade over my current set up

[near vale]

theres weakauras

[slim pebble]

Which is the biggest upgrade by far

[near vale]

to help but its hard

[kindred elm]

Specifically the ironfur envemon stuff

[near vale]

https://wago.io/xWkCDegWH

like if youre in a situation where theres 15 mobs and particles everywhere it is quite hard to see the stuff you have to do

[ashen urchin]

Is a myth spyglass a must take from vault? There seems to be a lot of variance on 2nd trinket and I have a myth skardyns already but sims give me better short term results just taking a good myth ring and continuing to use hero empowering crystal

[near vale]

but just rng get the jump 3 times one

[lucid silo]

what are your other options

[runic hinge]

FIND OR STAND IN CIRCLE

JUMP THREE TIMES

[mighty rapids]

Transmitter takes some getting used to but once u get a feel u can get the buff 100% of the time basically

[slim pebble]

My 623 option is a harvesters edict and it sims so poorly lol

[runic hinge]

just loot a skardyns (I have only done 10 gb’s and got a hero in box today so fuck it)

[near vale]

also if you do use it and use the weakaura turn the volume down

i didnt when i first got it it was so fucking loud

FIND OR STAND IN CIRCLE blasting my ears

[slim pebble]

I’ve seen one and the person who got it traded it to his friend

[mighty rapids]

I was missing the orb until i found out it spawns at 1:30 each time then i never missed it after

[near vale]

wait wdym

[ashen urchin]

@lucid silo Biggest three real choices are myth Umbriss Band (crit, high mastery, replaces 610 high haste/mastery hero ring), myth spyglass (replaces 626 hero crystal) , myth shoulder tier (replaces hero)

[lucid silo]

I probably take spyglass

[runic hinge]

Spawning the same direction every time

It can just get hectic in mythic plus or with a lot of melee in raid to find regardless

[near vale]

no shot

life changing info

[hallow pelican]

3rd vault I’ve had to take tokens

Fuckin bullshit

[near vale]

is it just the orb or the circle as well

[runic hinge]

Circle as well

[near vale]

actualyl life changing holy shit

[runic hinge]

Orb is just kinda a bitch cause it moves away

[slim pebble]

This is how big it is

[runic hinge]

Circle is super consistent

The problem is you never get jump or pad when you’re in a hectic situation. It’s always the fucking floating orb

Spawning and floating around in last boss CoT orbs

Going directly into black blood on bloodhorror.

That shit on princess intermission as well

Yuck

[fleet atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
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[rain mortar]

boys i think we might be getting nerfed lmao

i feel STRONG

[dapper cradle]

shhhh

[spice surge]

We were expecting a ST buff and an aoe nerf, but we just got a ST buff and a neutral/slightly positive aoe buff

We take those

[rain mortar]

yeah what caustic nerf?

[raven egret]

yeah honestly, I dont think nerfing our aoe was needed much at all, I'm very happy with the updates this week

and .0.5 in 2 weeks only too

[novel star]

we didnt get an aoe nerf

they cut 5% off spatter so it doesnt go from the moon to mars

its still at the moon

[young dust]

i think it wasn't necessary but i'll take it

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514

[novel star]

i think another 10% off spatter is necessary

that shit is stupid

buff rupture

or smth

[runic hinge]

Based

[keen spruce]

Rup buffture

[cobalt sphinx]

remove IC so we can live the #assassination fantasy of never going into stealth

[keen spruce]

[cobalt sphinx]

just walk up to the monsters

[turbid nymph]

Do you guys have some recommendations for m+ assa rogue vod on ytb or twitch ?

If possible with the bar showing the casts

[keen spruce]

Casualaddict still streams I think 🤔

[cobalt sphinx]

vspeed and casualaddict both stream

[keen spruce]

Not sure if he has the cast thingy

[turbid nymph]

I’ll check ty ❤️

[cobalt sphinx]

one of them has the cast thing

but it's literally just mutilate and envenom and fan lol not particularly illuminating

[keen spruce]

Yeah but speed is a spriest in disguise

[keen spruce]

Did zero ever get an agi dagger?

[cobalt sphinx]

we are gaming

[paper wraith]

what are the chances this thing is any good at all

[keen spruce]

Time walking shit is bad

[paper wraith]

thought so LOL

[keen spruce]

They make sure of it

[paper wraith]

silly tentacle go slap

[keen spruce]

If it’s ever out of line they’ll crush it in a few days

[desert cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[keen spruce]

So not really worth thinkin about

[young dust]

my boy gonna hentai the shit out of nerub'ar

[runic hinge]

Gotta be third spark this week

[keen spruce]

He also very fun to watch

[runic hinge]

Tbh if I get that trinket I’m using it

[keen spruce]

Many cigarettes

[runic hinge]

Void tentacle in void expansion

[keen spruce]

And much yelling

My kind of streamer

[paper wraith]

734k dam every 2 minutes. top tier trinket tbh

[runic hinge]

Can’t watch zero. Then I’ll need a a pack

[keen spruce]

I keep the death sticks in the golf bag

I have some from Mexico that have very aggressive anti-smoking labels

Calling me impotent and cancerous

Just like my healers in DF

[proper hare]

Was ass back in the day as well

[keen spruce]

It’d be great if it proc’d a tendie that just wiggled around and didn’t do anything

Or served you drinks or somethin

[rain mortar]

This is copium - we do too much damage right now in aoe. Don’t get me wrong I like it and there are a few other classes that are on the same level. So maybe it’s just our time to shine but they could nerf spatter 10% and we are still sitting at the top of aoe in keys at least

[proper hare]

Is fatebound actually better or what btw, keep simming higher with it every time I sim it vs deathstalker

[keen spruce]

In dungeon slice or st?

They’re pretty close in most cases

Kinda u expected to have it sum higher tho

Sim

[proper hare]

St, haven’t checked dungeon slice sims but I do ~the same in keys when I tried it

[keen spruce]

I mean they’re not far apart

[proper hare]

It’s just your survivability that goes to ass in m+ if you play fatebound

[runic hinge]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[keen spruce]

I think many people would benefit from playing fatebound

Tbh

[proper hare]

I’m gonna try it this reset and see how it is tbh

[lament swan]

Heyo I have some logs from a friend who is new to the game. Can I just post them here to get him some help on what he's doing wrong? (not sure how this discord thread shit works tbh)

[keen spruce]

Weird what people decide is worth 2-5% and what isn’t

[faint vessel]

I accidentally ran fatebound cleave build in a key once and while the aoe damage left a lot to be desired it was the most chill experience

[keen spruce]

I dunno if any green names are around rn but if you post it here someone might make a thread for review. Make sure they’ve read the Wowhead guides and understand the basics first though cuz they’ll likely just get sent to Wowhead if they’re making very simple errors

[lament swan]

Yeah I've talked to him about it and he's read the guide a few times. It's very possible that he's missing something glaring though I'm just really struggling to parse through the logs outside of just seeing that he's pressing envenom way less than others. Hard for me to figure out why that is since I just haven't played much rogue. Here's the link https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YMbdk2ZCGVhzTnBP#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=6 ty in advance for help!

[keen spruce]

Pretty sure with most recent changes DS pulls ahead even more in m+

I think someone said that

[faint vessel]

Makes sense. I typically run DS, anyway. But it made me want to run FB more

[solar orbit]

Use the !log command

[lament swan]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[lament swan]

ty!

[keen spruce]

analyzer is

not confirmed to be 100% rn

someone we don't know is maintaining it

but probably pretty gud

[keen spruce]

I'm assuming there's some clear the witness thingy here but i don't think there should be two fans in the opener

also they should look at !pooling

!pool

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[keen spruce]

looks like they're kinda just smashing envenoms outside of CDs

[ruby birch]

i mean as deathstalker

thats kinda what you do

unless its like

[keen spruce]

idk how CTW works entirely. wasn't sure if you were supposed to be using more than one fan

[ruby birch]

as soon as he hits the cp

[ruby birch]

each time mark is applied

so on pull

and then after DN

its just once

[keen spruce]

oh also

fan hit 0 targets

several times

8 times actually

[lament swan]

interesting

[keen spruce]

well

that might be analyzer

being goofy

I mean there's nothing like SUPER glaring here

[solar orbit]

You can also create a thread

[keen spruce]

someone smarter can find some stuff

pooling

[solar orbit]

So it doesn't get lost in the chat

[keen spruce]

seems to be pretty goofy

and random downtime

cuz that fight is cringe

[runic hinge]

Shmeeps login

[lament swan]

I'm not sure if I have the perms to make a thread don't see the option to

[keen spruce]

ok now what

[keen spruce]

!thread ?

nvm

i think a green has to do it

[lament swan]

kk no worries

[keen spruce]

@slate crown halp

[slate crown]

Darkcam17 Log Review

[prisma monolith]

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[tawdry crypt]

is dslice what I should sim for keys

or do I gotta do cringe 5/8 target shit

[keen spruce]

dslice gud

[indigo totem]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[dreamy canyon]

When looking at top logs I'm really suprised to see so many players taking the longer Cloak hero talent instead of the Evasion magic DR. What am I missing here?

[timber pawn]

How far behind is fatebound currently when compared with deathstalker, just curious

[keen spruce]

I wouldn't read too much into it

lots of people just set it and forget it

[keen spruce]

2-5%

or they're within about that much of eachother

kinda depends

maybe a little more in m+ after the changes

[spice surge]

You get extra damage with the longer cloak talent

It enables a talent deathstalker had in beta that was removed

Called flensing knives

[keen spruce]

oh is that shit still happening?

bug aboose

[dawn kelp]

how do i remove this star icon next to mobs plater

[cyan karma]

since im playing deathstalker, would 2x regicide be better then 1 and blood kissed kuri?? for the extra mastry??

[ashen rover]

Sim it

[cyan karma]

ahh man ive never done simming lol

[ashen rover]

Time to get into it

cuz

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[cursive frost]

these buffs feel good

hit 2M overall in a key for the first time

[pearl dust]

guys what u think of the “buff” for rogue?

[edgy orbit]

2M in what dungeon?

[cursive frost]

NW

[balmy condor]

think the "buff" is around "5%" in single target and "equal" in "aoe"

[mystic osprey]

"well" how are "you" going in "keys" with "the" new "buffs" "?"

[glacial crypt]

What on earth

[balmy condor]

"I" haven't "done" "a key" "yet" after the "buff"

[spice spire]

Call me “a key”

[charred hinge]

i also did a "11" "NW" and was hitting "1.8M overall" before third "boss"

[glacial crypt]

FAM

[blazing pumice]

yeah those necromancer packs are real dangerous

[balmy condor]

"nice"

[charred hinge]

can someone pick my vault for me

[spice spire]

what's good big dog

[young dust]

only cloak removes this week's affix for us?

[copper monolith]

does anyone else feel like in the past 3-4 expansions WoW just keeps getting progressively hader and harder from a heroic raid standpoint? and like mythic+ requiring 9's to get gilded crests is a pain in the ass, i feel like i hit a wall now i'll never be able to overcome

[glacial crypt]

Push yourself!

[balmy condor]

the community keeps getting better so they slowly make the content harder

[copper monolith]

huh?

[balmy condor]

it's just how it works

[shut owl]

its how any evergreen gaming lifecycle goes

[copper monolith]

ehhhh

i don't feel like CS is like that.

[west crown]

New buffs are feeling really good ST

[copper monolith]

Or League.

[spice spire]

well that's literally

pvp content

[copper monolith]

it all feels samey there.

[glacial crypt]

With each week there are new lineups and different strategies people come up with outside of just "shoot head kill guy"

[copper monolith]

well path of exile then

none of the non-uber stuff seems like its getitng harder

[glacial crypt]

Those are also ranked pvp games so the higher you go, the harder it gets

poe couldn't comment on but if wow didn't keep getting new mechanics and different difficult things to figure out, it wouldn't keep me engaged at least

[copper monolith]

Maybe it's just time to retire from WoW then since im facing a difficulty like non-other.

my other games are fine

[glacial crypt]

nooooo 😭

[copper monolith]

Just having a rough time with the mythic+ specifically

[blazing pumice]

yes, most casuals are

see: reddit

there's a plethora of complaining

[copper monolith]

like, requiring 9's for gilded seems a bit

much

[spice surge]

Why

[copper monolith]

and then hitting 10's for double fort/tyran

that's just insane

At this point I think I brick way more than I complete

by along shot

[glacial crypt]

Are you exclusively pugging your keys? Or do you also feel your individual performance isn't where you'd like it to be?

[copper monolith]

Yeah, I pug.

My schedule is really bad.

[torpid temple]

A lot of people are struggling in M+ this season

[copper monolith]

And it's also individual performance

i just feel like there's way more shit

im def worse for wear

[balmy condor]

it's actually well documented that lower ranks in league are much stronger than the same rank 5 years ago

[copper monolith]

i guess i grew well in that game

or maybe the nuh

difficulty is well tuned?

like the balance

[blazing pumice]

idk mythic 10s give loot that is max level, it should be hard

[torpid temple]

Are you playing sub in keys?

[cunning needle]

yeah the average player base for all games has definitely improved in skill

[copper monolith]

I really dont think it should be Tyran+Fort hard.

[cunning needle]

8 years ago in dota - no one would buy wards let alone sentries

[copper monolith]

There's got to be something else.

[cunning needle]

but even in the trench tier people are dewarding now

[copper monolith]

i never played dota

[faint vessel]

I don’t mind 10s for myrhic vault slots. 9s to upgrade gear I started getting in 7s seems a little odd and feels bad but that’s just solo pug dps life

[copper monolith]

I think they should downshift gilded crests to 8

[faint vessel]

It’s not even the key is hard more that it’s making the available pop to run 9s feel really small

[cunning needle]

it's probably bad for the game - but i like that doing "hard" content acutally rewards you

consider the following - if you are not pushing at the highest level then you don't need the highest level of gear straight away

[faint vessel]

I agree, last season was the other side of being far too easy

[copper monolith]

i loved last season

honestly

[spice surge]

They could probably lower the crests to 8, or make it 50/50 gilded/runed or something

[faint vessel]

Yeah that’s the argument for mythic gear and 10d for vault slot, but doesn’t hold water for 9s

[cunning needle]

yeah i think reduce the amount of crests required

[copper monolith]

last season was amazingly fun

and so was the season beofre that

[torpid temple]

So are you playing sub for keys or what

[copper monolith]

i was

[faint vessel]

It’s also objectively a small percentage of keys available to run can give gilded. That’s my main issue

[copper monolith]

but it was too difficult

im playing assassination now

[cunning needle]

no we're playing assi

[copper monolith]

thats what im saying

downshift everything by 1 key

8's award gilded

i think that's all it'll take

[faint vessel]

I like myth vault for 10s. But 8 vs 9 isn’t that much harder. It’s just a silly bar

[cunning needle]

^

[copper monolith]

yeah myth vault cna stay for 10s

[faint vessel]

All 9 vs 8 for gilded does is make it harder for people to get groups to upgrade their gear to get ready for 10s

[copper monolith]

no problem there

[copper monolith]

like, i cant really do anything right now cause i did my heroic raid

queen is dead

and i barely get invited for 7's

So i can't do anything

[cunning needle]

do your own key, push it up

[hollow blade]

buffs feel great in ST

[copper monolith]

that never seems to work

[hollow blade]

im pumping now

[copper monolith]

ill keep trying

[cunning needle]

dunno there has to be a keyholder somewhere

and someone needs to make the group

may as well be you

[elfin arrow]

As a 21+ year competitor in CS, it is ❤️

[copper monolith]

ill keep trying for a time, but i gotta say, if something aint done about the gilded crest situation soon, ill def have to stop.

having them trickle in from the delve token thingy, and the last 2 bosses on heoric is not ideal at all

[torpid temple]

What's your ilvl?

[copper monolith]

618

[cunning needle]

don't hold your breath for them reducing gilded requirements

[faint vessel]

I wouldn’t be surprised tbh, but also don’t hold your breath

[copper monolith]

im not, i'll see what's up by the time the aniversary patch comes out.

if nothing, then i guess I'll have more time on my hands.

[faint vessel]

I think many solo Qing dps that aren’t augs are feeling similar. The keys will get easier every week with ilvl increases

[cunning needle]

honestly the less time playing wow the better

i want to quit this game

someone please help

[faint vessel]

Yeah that too. Just…play less

[copper monolith]

i've been playing hunt showdown lately

it's neat

[faint vessel]

If your guild killed heroic queen and you’re pumping who cares unless you’re trying for CE and then you and the guild need to make some m+ groups

[drifting cloud]

it is a little weird to only be 618 if youre full clearing hc, unless you destroyed your crests upgrading champ track

[copper monolith]

i def made some mistakes

which sucks

[glacial crypt]

yeah the hunter in my guild is 630

[faint vessel]

I mean full clearing HC is what, 30 crests?

[copper monolith]

god dayum

oh this was the first time i killed queen

[faint vessel]

You aren’t getting much over 618 without 9s

[copper monolith]

last week

could be worse i guess

could be playing roblox

[glacial crypt]

Don't you disrespect roblox

[drifting cloud]

oh is your gilded cap just mostly untouched? no guild keys or whatever

[west crown]

Theres not way this buff is only ~5%. I went from 70 parses to 95s without significant gear upgrades in a week. Im not that good

[glacial crypt]

dress to impress is a real gamer game

[copper monolith]

yep

[drifting cloud]

ok nvm that would make more sense then

[glacial crypt]

hehe

nice

[copper monolith]

oh LOL

[glacial crypt]

Try and get some guild groups going when you're online though^^

[copper monolith]

god damn you cuddle

[glacial crypt]

Gilded crests will just bring your power way uppies

Outside of "playing better" gear will just make you do more damage

[copper monolith]

how much harder is a 9 from a 7 key?

[glacial crypt]

As for the amount of things going on in m+, it's difficult when learning new dungeons but, having weakaura packs helping you out is big

[glacial crypt]

Honestly not very

[copper monolith]

thats what i thought

but i swear to god the groups i try and get into never pick me

[glacial crypt]

from 11 to 12 is a different story but doing anything more than 10s rn is just silly

[glacial crypt]

What's your rio at?

[copper monolith]

1928

[blazing pumice]

your io is mega low

[drifting cloud]

theres just literally 50+ apps

[strong wing]

Even with the buffs are we still behind BM for Pi buff? 😦

[cunning needle]

bro thats not even all 7s timed

[blazing pumice]

no wonder you aren't getting invites

[drifting cloud]

and 618 stood out maybe week1-2

[copper monolith]

so, i guess I just try and incrementally work upwards with key levels

[cunning needle]

yes

do all of them as well

dont leavae something as

or at 2

[glacial crypt]

exactly that yes

[copper monolith]

my two lowests are GB and Siege at 5's

i honestly consider leaving Siege at 5

[blazing pumice]

people are going to invite you based on your class+io+ilvl

[copper monolith]

worst dungeon ever.

[cunning needle]

like think about it from the other side

theres 50 dps applying all with higher io and gs than you

why would they invite you

[glacial crypt]

on alts I can squeeze into a guild group for a random weekly 10 but if I were starting from scratch without that luxury, doing all +4s - 9s would be the goal

outside of doing my own key

If you're doing your own key, you can be picky

but that's also more time

[edgy orbit]

hardest thing in m+ is reminding tanks to let a bro re-stealth.

[drifting cloud]

just hard doing your own key unless you have a tank or healer friend aswell

[glacial crypt]

oh no

[copper monolith]

you know

[glacial crypt]

`

[drifting cloud]

otherwise just might take forever in lfg

[copper monolith]

tanks have actually be really kind to me regarding restealth

i cant complain about that

[cunning needle]

same

[glacial crypt]

:3

[cunning needle]

or i just hang back

but also

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[copper monolith]

i think it just feels better

is all

[cunning needle]

oh yeah 100%

it feels better

especially spreading bleeds without IC

but at the same time

just seethe and cope

[glacial crypt]

xd

[cunning needle]

objectively it is better for the key

[copper monolith]

no one ain't trying to be play subtlety Seige+14

[cunning needle]

for you to not restealth

and to chain pull

(depending on mobs)

also depending on the key as well

[copper monolith]

bring back season 3 dungeons

[cunning needle]

theres like barely single digit times where you dont get a restealth

[cunning needle]

nah homie 35% bp buff

we're so back

[copper monolith]

brb in like 5, going to gas station to get some junk food to make me feel better

[slim pebble]

What a fun extra loot system

[desert musk]

does spatter hit adds on bloodbound if i keep hitting boss

[glacial crypt]

hi could you please get me a red bull

for in the morning I'm going to sleep

waking up in 3 hours for vault and uni

[runic hinge]

I’d just put that on rn lol

[cobalt sphinx]

patch day

[glacial crypt]

take it and run

!!!

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Dog

[glacial crypt]

priorities

[keen spruce]

prioritize sleep and tacos

smh

vault ain't goin anywhere

[spice spire]

What I’m saying duck man

Tell her ‼️

[keen spruce]

gotta let that vault marinate, better loot

[glacial crypt]

Well the reason I'm awake right now is that I'm making a website for my uni course

it's a class on python again tomorrow but I got motivation after 2 hours of sleep and so

I am now html and css'ing

but it's freaking annoying

[spice spire]

[keen spruce]

I'll css the shit out of that for u

[glacial crypt]

Tacos sound good though

[keen spruce]

actually no i won'

t

[glacial crypt]

are you actually a css wizard

NO PLEASE HANG ON

[keen spruce]

i haven't done any coding in like 8 years

[glacial crypt]

I COACH LOTS PLZ

FRICK MAN

[keen spruce]

I'll put some boxes tho

and like

that's it

color it in maybe

[glacial crypt]

I am going to

DM you

and you're going to

hopefully help. :^)

[keen spruce]

yes chef

[spice spire]

Bros about to put Pepes all over the site

Damn

[runic hinge]

And one smiledog

[spice spire]

True

[slate crown]

don't be indecent

[blazing jewel]

[slate crown]

[keen spruce]

smiledog gotta be

my favorite emote

in the last 2 years

that shit has legs

[unique heart]

is there a channel for vault shit

[spice spire]

it’s just going to be me saying http://www.raidbots.com

[copper monolith]

yay feelsgood food

[cunning needle]

what if i just want to show off my vault

[primal egret]

can I ask gear question here?

[spice spire]

Oh that’s fine

[spice spire]

Is it going to make me tap the sign

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/faq-read-the-faq-read-the-rules-rules-gif-25494256

[primal egret]

maybe just need some advice lol

[cunning needle]

no your stats don tmatter

damn

the pretype d idnt work

feel free to send your question

[primal egret]

i got another mythic dagger and not sure how i should get 2nd embellishment

[cunning needle]

fuck you

[primal egret]

because i have one on my dagger right now

[cunning needle]

give me a dagger

[balmy dome]

Do you guys spend on 5 combo points or 6?

[cunning needle]

just use the crafted one

oh doesnt matter

its a stat stick

[primal egret]

wondering if i should craft a heroic item with embellishment?

[slate crown]

5+, unless you have darkest night, then always push to 7

[glacial crypt]

That would be an improvement

[balmy dome]

ty ❤️

[glacial crypt]

currently no images and nothing but a single text box which reads "Cuddlemeufk"

xd

but that text box took time to figure out!

[spice spire]

Wrists’

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spice spire]

Effective and simple

[primal egret]

thats what im thinking too thanks pepsi

[spice spire]

Anytime big dog

Glhf

[silent delta]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[gray horizon]

lets goooo

[pastel pine]

does Dead-eye Spyglass suck in reality? It sims high for me but I seem to do way worse with it equipped compared to 593 Signet of the Priory

[balmy condor]

it's good

[coral ibex]

its also an exclusively single target trinket bc it marks one guy so that might affect your experience

[rough lodge]

guys why does my rogue not know mutilate anymore?

[pastel pine]

I used it on Ulgrax and it didn't proc for 3 minutes

[coral ibex]

that seems so unlikely

wtf

[spice surge]

You probably swapped specs with blindside up, relog and it will come back

[pastel pine]

unless I am reading that wrong?

[spice surge]

Possible that you applied the debuff to an add and it died before you got any stacks too

[rough lodge]

goated ty

[pastel pine]

Does it not proc enough before the first set of adds?

[spice surge]

Its got 1 rppm

[pastel pine]

ahh I see. So it probably did go on an add like you said

farts

[spice surge]

Very heavy variance trinket

[ruby birch]

holy fuck

[balmy condor]

that's not true

once a target is debuffed you can just hit it

poison/fok

[woven shore]

WE ARE GETTING CLOSER BOYS

[woven shore]

what the fuck is that gs

[sterile crest]

what do we think about 2x viscious venoms? are the sims still not working properly?

[cloud basin]

lets see if i can get that 97+ on queen

[cerulean walrus]

@balmy condor You may say I suck

But to that I raise you

[cloud basin]

im bad cuz i cant get sac or mandate lol

[balmy condor]

may this, may that

may you have a good next 24 hours

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah you too

[woven shore]

are you NOT playing with splatteR???

[cerulean walrus]

Guys I saw Whispyr flying in a regular dirigible

Not even the void one

[balmy condor]

true

miss me with that shit

[spice spire]

How about you miss some hoes

[balmy condor]

I miss my gf a lot

[cerulean walrus]

How about you miss me more and text back

[novel star]

1.6m on heroic xD spatter nerfed as fuck kappa

[balmy condor]

go ahead

[cerulean walrus]

[balmy condor]

ping her

she knows

[balmy condor]

true

[cerulean walrus]

Time in the Broodtwister prison

Has not been kind

[novel star]

dh debuff would +3% it too right

[blazing jewel]

@spice spire

[novel star]

no dh in this raid

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel star]

so dumb man

[cloud basin]

i am

[primal egret]

only rogue in my guild privilege lmfao xd thanks dude

[spice spire]

I’d never call Gabi a hoe

[spice spire]

Kiss you soon Kyle

[balmy condor]

you'd never spell her name right either, would you Reed

[spice spire]

Likewise babe xoxo

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Fuck it’s a y

Gaby zzz

[balmy condor]

yeh

[winged widget]

just started it. got melee'd by some bug for 5M. it's gonna be fun

[balmy condor]

Y before I

gaby before reid

get woke

[blazing jewel]

gabaghoul

[cloud basin]

well there goes my parse on Queen.. i got the fps lag and died

[spice spire]

And yet I came first

Curious

Like I was born first

Not the disgusting way

[vast loom]

[blazing jewel]

[spice spire]

Oof

[woven shore]

far away relationship brother?

[spice spire]

Nah Gaby works a LOT

That lady is insane

[woven shore]

lool

[static glacier]

@balmy condor just to clarify the effects from DS that’ve been fixed to benefit from tier are clear the witnesses, singular focus, hunt them down and fatal mark?

[balmy condor]

and the mark

Ambush (385794), Mutilate (385802), Mutilate (385806), Corrupt the Blood (457133), Deathstalker's Mark (457157), Clear the Witnesses (457179), Hunt Them Down (457193), Singular Focus (457236), Fatal Intent (461984)

[spice surge]

Sheesh fatal intent buffed

[west crown]

Would elusiveness be a bad idea on Queen?

[spice surge]

Now were going places

[leaden viper]

is thistle tea change bad?

[slim pebble]

Who had the transmitter WA?

[novel star]

its not a big deal but it is bad yes

[nimble ether]

Because you use it during damage windows for the mastery buff

[balmy condor]

tea change is not bad what

this spin makes no fucking sense to me

[keen spruce]

[true rapids]

2 questions is there a way to just update a plater profile and a way to verify my current plater ver?

[nimble ether]

But now it automatically gets used

[leaden viper]

so we have to not go under 50 when dont have cds

[balmy condor]

if I play good, it doesn't impact me
if I play bad, I get to think about less things

[spice surge]

The absolute vast majority of the power of tea is in the energy

[balmy condor]

but then people saying that it's a bad change are mad cause they're bitching about it auto proccing

so

are you secretly the shitter?

what's the deal

[grim oasis]

no i'm openly shit

[nimble ether]

I see

[spice surge]

Like even if you accidently proc it by going below 30 its still not a big deal

[nimble ether]

Yeah Ngl I’d rather not worry about hitting it anyway Lolol

[novel star]

i mean its not bitching its just like super technically not good to proc it and was previously not a thing you had to avoid

a fake loss is a loss and a new restriction is a new restriction

[balmy condor]

how does that work

[novel star]

not a big deal tho

[balmy condor]

it's not

you press tea during shiv

it comes off cooldown during shiv

[novel star]

i mean youd have shivs that want multiple teas tho right

[balmy condor]

..... yes

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

but they all come off cooldown

during kb

if you use them during shiv, as you should

[nimble ether]

Which is the most important time to use it anyway right

[balmy condor]

they line up a minute later

when the shiv comes up again

and you want to use them again

[severe sparrow]

where are we using our dm/kb that comes up during the uh, when on platforms for queen? just hold for top?

[balmy condor]

can use a kb on the shield mob or the first platform

[novel star]

sry was afk

[novel star]

did i miss a new change or smth

[indigo mulch]

I'm pretty sure what will end up happening is that they will completely remove the tea use at some point in the distant future.

[novel star]

i thought if you proc it outside of shiv its just -1 charge

[nimble ether]

Or maybe remove the mastery buff

[novel star]

and 1 min later when ur in shiv again youd get 1 charge back from the cd but that might be a shiv that wants 2 teas so its kinda annoying

or no

[spice spire]

They’re both 1m cds

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's a 1 min cd

once you use your 3 charges

it always comes off cd

for kb

[spice spire]

You get one per kb

Yeah

[novel star]

ah

ok im just being dumb mb

[spice spire]

Asking questions isn’t dumb

[novel star]

low sleep + in raid rn

[spice spire]

Clarifying things isn’t dumb either

[nimble ether]

This guy doesn’t number

[indigo mulch]

Do you enjoy lasagna?

[balmy condor]

really worst case scenario is you cast 1 during dm, and then you're a full fucking ape, giga monkey

and you spam 2 charges

before the next kb

[spice spire]

Inability to listen is dumb. Learn to discern stupidity and not anting help

[balmy condor]

and that's the worst you could do

[novel star]

mhm

i got u

[spice spire]

Love it call me Garfield the way I be fucking it up

[errant mauve]

how much dps you guys pulling in M+ overall and typically for ST on bosses?

[leaden viper]

does a sim tell you your max possible damage?

[indigo mulch]

Your profile picture suggest otherwise D:

[spice spire]

I’d never change it off my goat

Sorry

George too good

[earnest remnant]

Same. Just not lasagne but my life instead

[indigo mulch]

[balmy condor]

sims report the median

[spice spire]

Shut ur mouth before I crack an egg on ur chest raccoon boy

Ur a good lad

[uneven plume]

damage is def bigger overall

[spice spire]

Mistakes can be undone and don’t you ever forget that.

[uneven plume]

i like this buff

finally competing in ST in m+ as well

[indigo mulch]

Brugh

[uneven plume]

cant even tell the splatter nerf

seems the same

[leaden viper]

well how do i know what i can do if im perfect

[balmy condor]

how close are you to your simdps

[indigo mulch]

the ST in m+ was horrible. ._."

[balmy condor]

if you're within like 5%

you're probably playing as good as possible

if you have REALLY good dps you can beat the sim

[static glacier]

Result of perfect gameplay is still subject to rng variance in terms of dps

[leaden viper]

i think my sim is wrong i was over by 100k

[indigo mulch]

uh?

[fossil kestrel]

is fatebound better for raid?

[leaden viper]

wrong pin sry

[balmy condor]

no

[novel star]

about the same

wait no

[static glacier]

Not really no

[novel star]

new tuning

no its just behind now

its playable tho still

i think

if u dont like ds

[static glacier]

The real q is how long til we get FB tuning

[indigo mulch]

Anything is playable to be fair ;s Is it the best? prob not, but if you can't manage your mark for some unknown reason you can go FB. 😮

[leaden viper]

i think my sim is wrong i was over by 100k i know im not good

[balmy condor]

I doubt you simmed it correctly then

[slim pebble]

Either the new buffs are more than expected or I finally remembered how to play rogue. My dps went up by a lot in raid tonight

[novel star]

theres a lot of settings on sims u prolly just fucked up smth

[fierce tulip]

pretty sure my guild sucks but im blowing them out of the water on every fight now

[severe sparrow]

is the fight length the same and same buffs on both?

[novel star]

5% is a pretty fat buff

think its just tuning

have noticed the same

[indigo mulch]

Honestly, whenever i do dummys or something like that i just try to maximize envenom uptime, i don't even look at how much dps i'm doing. ;s

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hallow pelican]

Interesting That Ovinax's Egg Sims higher than Spyglass ... is there a weakaura to help maximize Ovinax or is it a matter of just crossing my fingers?

[errant mauve]

sin out doing sub ST now?

[balmy condor]

sims stand still and get the agi buff the whole time

[slim pebble]

Some bosses my dps went up 200k

[coral ibex]

its my best simming activated trinket

[severe sparrow]

my dummy dps is always fuckin weird idk it's not worth thinking about imo fake fight < real fight

[balmy condor]

that's not the buff

[slim pebble]

So not washed then

Perfecto

[balmy condor]

the buff is like 70k

[hallow pelican]

so on movement fights ... cross my fingers ? lol

[balmy condor]

I mean during movement fights you just get haste instead of agi

[elfin garden]

I just wouldn't mess with a complicated trinket for a minimal increase, if I have to think about when to use it - shit ain't worth it

[coral ibex]

its mastery i thought

[balmy condor]

sure

[spice spire]

Heavy movement add cleave sim

[balmy condor]

mastery then

[hallow pelican]

Does that on use Lock in the buff for a set amount of time?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hallow pelican]

tyvm for the info

[strange python]

caustic spatter for silken court or nah?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[hallow pelican]

I think we only take Sanguine for Sikran and Kyveza

[raven egret]

we feeling good today 😄

[slim pebble]

I cba to switch it tbh

[balmy condor]

or be based

and don't run sanguine ever

[fierce tulip]

facts

because then u forget to swap back and its gg

[hallow pelican]

yeah im a cranky old fart and I dont know wtf based means

[austere bramble]

hi icy veins says to use master assassin wowhead doesnt have it talented for ST, which should I choose?