assassination

[rotund oak]

ive gotten like 25-30fps lately back but there are some auras that im using that still are a problem for me

but im thinking to replace my pc anyway

[subtle cipher]

the only wa i use is luxthos/trinkets

and dgs ones

none of them with models

so idk what is goin on

[rotund oak]

dungeons has models

[subtle cipher]

not the ones i checked

and they are not loaded on raids

[rotund oak]

and he said alot about nameplates as well

[subtle cipher]

yeah, but like i said, 20+ mobs on a dungeon = 150 fps

20 + mobs during a boss = 30

[thin ingot]

idk why i always try other classes to always come back to rogue mid season

[rotund oak]

maybe its something else,should ask the man,i have issues with raiding and i dont stand raiding at sub 40fps as melee

its pissing me off

[subtle cipher]

indeed

annoying af

[rotund oak]

on dungeons im like 65-70ish constantly

no matter what

its

sufferable,its not 120+ but its ok

[subtle cipher]

dungeons run like a dream to me but raids are something else

that nymue fight for example

sometimes i was hitting sub 30

[rotund oak]

personally i did progress till smoldie

i was about 50-ish there

all the time

had some minor stattering as well during pods n stuff

but that was my pc

[subtle cipher]

smoldie was better then nymue but was still shit

and running 12700k/3080ti

[rotund oak]

i had more issues at the centaur dude than nymue but she was cringe as well,especially on the intermission and soaking it was hardships

[rare jackal]

haste gets big value in aoe right?

[rotund oak]

crit has the most iirc

[spice spire]

Crit value

Haste just adds bleed tick.

Haste for energy kinda dead past x targets

[rare jackal]

how does mastery vs haste compare in aoe?

[rotund oak]

the highest the crit value the closest the mastery should be

[subtle cipher]

[rotund oak]

but crit value actually has more than one functionality coz it affects cps as well

[rare jackal]

right now im trying to optimize for ovinax

and i got a bunch of rings and items laying around

[rotund oak]

u should just sim diff gear pieces

[rare jackal]

right but what settings? 20 target 1 min?

[rotund oak]

stat comparison on paper is very different

[rare jackal]

cause you need aoe in very short amount of time

[rotund oak]

idk,tbh

[rotund oak]

could take a picture of my alfredo pasta but im gonna make a mess

[meager mountain]

is icy veins or wowhead or maxroll better for m+ guide

[hidden vector]

I just enjoy whatever has the highest ilvl

let god take care of the rest.

[rotund oak]

wowhead should be the lighthouse for u

[meager mountain]

i know its a weird question sorry lol

other classes have diff levels to their guides depending on site etc

[rotund oak]

dw fam,we got alot of those in here 🙂

[meager mountain]

🐐

[glad osprey]

yeah idk why :( i play on a 4090 but even i find i drop sometimes in raid

[static glacier]

who is the most iconic wow rogue?

[glad osprey]

me obviously (i'm really bad LMFAO)

[crisp pine]

Idk, Angwe maybe?

[brisk forge]

Damn Fatebound in M+ pumps 😁

More fun imo

[rotund oak]

In general idk,i think as for how impactful a rogue was it should be reckful.He revolutionized how the game was played by playing the rogue

[subtle tundra]

you mean assa in m+ pumps

pumps enough that you can play the worse talent and still do well enough

[onyx rock]

Nukkz or Madve

[slim pebble]

We’re gonna crank even more after our nerf I mean buff 😉

[glad osprey]

yeah i'm bad asf at rogue (i've been playing this spec for 2 days) and i still get top dps in mythics LOL

[subtle tundra]

reckful RIP

[glad osprey]

its kinda stupid

[static glacier]

and see

i was asking about rogues in lore

[runic hinge]

maybe you're just a skilled gamer

[rotund oak]

[static glacier]

remember, you were talking about weird questions

[sly jacinth]

is mandate on the gcd?

[iron carbon]

Waiting for logs

[slim pebble]

I haven’t topped meters in good groups but it’s usually pretty close

[royal lantern]

its a channel, ofc it is lol

[sly jacinth]

ty!

[coral ibex]

bruh who is using raid and dungeon weakaura packs with a zillion models loaded

none of my dungeon/raid weakaura packs have any models

[solemn forum]

Hey did someone have a weakauras to remind applying the 2nd shiv during the kingsbane Window?

[subtle tundra]

from a pug 11, these guys will go to a 12 and have a wakeup call

[verbal creek]

Yea it’s called memory

[royal lantern]

how long until they nuke m+ difficulty into oblivion again

like they do every expansion

[subtle tundra]

they wont

[royal lantern]

and people run +12 keys in Week 1 of a patch

[subtle tundra]

i think best players already did

is it weird i play bleed build

[royal lantern]

a bit

but if it works for you

[subtle tundra]

ofc it works

lol

the builds are basically same dps

[royal lantern]

ye

you mostly just shift the dmg around

[strange python]

Hi, can i See the best PvP build for assa anywhere Here?

[warm vortex]

For queen do we just hold DM when on the ad platforms

[royal lantern]

#pvp i gues

[frozen jasper]

are sacbrood and skardyns the best trinkets for solely m+?

[junior yoke]

hey guys is there something special with Stonevault and Grim Batol? 1 hour queuing nobody invies

[karmic stream]

Hello ass folks, quick question. Do you prioritze refreshing garrote and rupture during burst window or not?`Mostly in opener

[royal lantern]

almost everyone wants to run GB cus there are the best trinket for more or lesss every spec in there

vault idk

[junior yoke]

oh.. okay

I'll try wih vault then

[charred salmon]

!rotation

[royal lantern]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

wowhead/icyveins guides are both maintained by Mods here

and explain 90% of what you need to know

[spice spire]

Actually seli isn’t a mod

[karmic stream]

read the guide, if following that opener garrote and rupture falls off, so i assume thats intended even though they are high in prio otherwise

[royal lantern]

seli is cute yeha

[charred salmon]

!opener

just want the opener picture 😛

[hidden vector]

Ara kara first boss - do you guys go kill ads or just turn it into a ranged issue?

[iron carbon]

U miss something then

Cause rupture stand something like 40 sec and garrote is refreshed in the opener during deathmark

[celest helm]

the higher the keys go assa scales better and better

[royal lantern]

not really

?

[runic hinge]

SCalinggggggggg

[royal lantern]

what scaling lol

[runic hinge]

You next patch

[royal lantern]

you dont suddenly do more dmg

[runic hinge]

when you're a scaly

[royal lantern]

if anything it getss worse cus your burst ends and assa is a burst spec

[iron carbon]

Kekw, you just don't lose damages

[spice surge]

Assa is not really a big burst spec on aoe

Its mostly sustained

[celest helm]

Assass rogue does better in higher keys since it has the full window to ramp and utilize CD windows properly. if a pack dies with 8 seconds left on KB you did nothing but if packs live long enough for full CD durations in higher keys you skyrocket. Not scaling but just basic

[slim pebble]

This was my timed 11 mists

[royal lantern]

oh ye

like that

i thought you meant some esoteric "dae scaling???" stuff

and not basic "yeha, you can do something when stuff doesnt die to the palading pressing divine storm once

bloodbound dagger dropped

[runic hinge]

did you win?

[royal lantern]

you think there are 2 rogues in my raid?

[winged gust]

yo when i use KB i should just spam mut and envenom right then shiv last 7 secs

[royal lantern]

thats more or less sums it up yes

[winged gust]

aight cool ty

how much dmg should i be getting during KB lmao cuz i got a tracker and i usually get 2m

im doing heroics and im at ilevel 584

[royal lantern]

mate, i dont check the individual KB cast dmg

[tawny pawn]

it depends

but should not be getting less then 3m

[raven trench]

yooo guys is bleed talents ok in m+ this week ?

[tawny pawn]

thats a low roll

[raven trench]

yooo guys is bleed talents ok in m+ this week ? ??

[novel moss]

u play same spec every week atm

with maybe the odd change between blackjack/tricks and cheat/elusive

Considering its tyr/fort every week now always.. 10+

[raven trench]

yes but i have a big prtoblem in tyranical i mean vs bosses when i play hybrid talents

[spring sigil]

Anyone know how much additional ST we'll get with the buff?

[novel moss]

Your ST wont be competiting that well with most, but we are getting 4% buff on reset

[runic hinge]

69%

[raven trench]

in st im doing low dmg

i mean my max is 900 k 1 m

[novel moss]

Yeah thats normal...

[spring sigil]

i got a terrible parse on queen, feel like i was either out of energy a lot or couldn't attack the boss cause pools were ages away

[runic hinge]

no sims or hard numbers

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-sticker-bunny-sticker-shooting-gun-shooting-gun-gif-26487745

[novel star]

bleed does less st than hybrid

but our st is always shit

do not change talents for st

you can go heavy st build and still barely beat or lose to other classes with standard aoe talents

[runic hinge]

Swayman signed today I can wear my jersey again

(This is about hockey)

[royal python]

Do the new buffs benefit DS more than FB ?

[royal python]

But like it's literally only the tails flip from hero tree for FB, while DS has so much plague to benefit from plus the envenom

[cursive frost]

atrophic or mind numbing poison for higher levels of Grim Batol to help with the tank dmg in the 2nd boss area?

[tawdry flint]

are you guys running caustic on rashanan mythic?

[royal python]

No

[daring hamlet]

anyone know how to effectively overlay a casts/buff table on warcraftlogs? I basically want to see how many of a specific ability were cast with/without a specific buff active

[tawny geyser]

What's your opinion on Blood-Kissed Kukri dropping on 639 and Outlaw getting it next to a Assa?
What do you guys think who has more prio on the dagger? Do we have the same prio on it?

[formal isle]

Can you evasion umbral weave and/or ravenous swarm on the last boss of CoT?

[raven plover]

Hi. So i got a Hero 1/6 ilv 610 ring, with 1890 crit and 3010 versatility. My current Rings are Champion 5/10 ilv 610 and 4/10 ilv 606. both are crit and vers and, at this level, will give me more crit than the Hero ring would give me at Hero 6/6. Ofc I'd lose on the versatility, but I don't think it's worth it, no? should I dump the Hero ring?

[coral ibex]

sim it

[desert vault]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[errant mauve]

Do we want to use wax in M+ on mh and whetstone oh or double whetstone

[spring stream]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[iron carbon]

Depends your MH ilvl

If you need it as OH, same prio. If you need it as MH, sub/sin prio

[tawny geyser]

as MH of course, 2nd one is crafted at 636

welp, he got it because my upgrade on sim was 11k and his was 12k :/ still found it unfair, but ok, lifes goes on. thank god its a 2nd boss so it should drop again at some point

[iron carbon]

12k? Just for stats?

Is the outlaw undergeared?

[tawny geyser]

620

I'm 625

he has a 639 fist tho and he had a 626 Kukri

well now he has a 639 Kukri 😄

[iron carbon]

Tbh, this kind of distribution always penalise geared ppl

My upgrades are low cuz I'm 625, but items are still BiS

[hot fulcrum]

639 dagger for outlow OH if you have assa for MH? lol wat

[iron carbon]

So better give to ppl with less gear 😢

[limber walrus]

is bubbling wax worth using in M+?

[normal mist]

better than using nothing

[thorn thorn]

Do I use on CD or do I line it up with KB and mark, M+ and Raid

[golden prawn]

Recently watched a youtube clip of someone starting a mythic + run, and during the countdown before the run begins, they already have slice and dice active - Does anyone know how you do this?

[clever sapphire]

hit target dummy before key gets put in or whatever to get to max cp, cast slice and dice after key is in but it didnt start yet

[severe sparrow]

Did they fix wax so we can use it above 610 or w/e the number was?

[clever sapphire]

aka during the countdown before the wall opens

[golden prawn]

Thank you

[severe sparrow]

Noice

[static glacier]

bruh

[severe sparrow]

Kek

[clever sapphire]

this works because you keep your CP even if the key got put inside, but as soon as the key starts your CP gets reset

[severe sparrow]

That's how that boss goes for us too

[rotund oak]

thats what u get for asking weird questions

if ur RL has humour he will shard them all and vendor the plans

[normal mist]

cd

[tawny geyser]

When is the new patch going live with the ST buff?

[rotund oak]

reset

[tawny geyser]

oh sweet

[rotund oak]

thats on the 9nth,in 3 days for EU

[tawny geyser]

and the SnD passive and other stuff is in November, correct?

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8OT9Md7lY some new tech, apparently the combo point modules in the afenar (and your edit) kill your fps by a noticable amount

[rotund oak]

yeah,thats on anniversary

now its the tier set stuff only

and the outlaw buffs

[drifting light]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[desert vault]

I used to have a WA for the kingsbane window that had a little timer bar for when to shiv, etc does anyone remember what that was called?

[tawny geyser]

Kingsbane Timeline

but its kinda outdated

I still use it for Shiv+Parry Sound

[acoustic sky]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[shy pecan]

I saw this. Kinda amazed that models screwed up FPS that bad (not that I used them)

[static glacier]

im not even on rogue, and even if i was who needs hc regicide

[severe sparrow]

I vaguely remember the models from uh, rarescanner? fucking my game performance a fair bit before i went through and changed the settings

[tepid lichen]

damn this is crazy

[subtle cipher]

people being picky on a 6

[desert vault]

does just unchecking the model box help or need to delete the entire model?

[subtle cipher]

[static glacier]

auglul

[pliant gazelle]

I think I just realized something. You can get parried on crimsom tempest ???

[shy pecan]

Pretty sure unchecking is fine, but if there's any conditionals that rely on it, could bring it up again. I personally would just delete them and edit to whatever is needed

[late kestrel]

can someone list the timing for kingsbane? like "second shiv at X seconds" etc

im getting conflicting things online for when to use vanish/tea/second shiv

[lethal arrow]

everything can be parried

[subtle cipher]

you shiv, then you kingsbane

then you shiv again when your first shiv has fall off

[willow cloud]

dear lord, why does zekvir still despawn if you vanish

[lethal arrow]

second shiv with 7 seconds left on KB

[late kestrel]

and for tea i see some before second shiv, some with vanish - does it matter for that as much or no?

[lethal arrow]

tea for energy if u need it

tea for the mastery buff during shiv/kingsbane

tea has 1 min recharge so you should pretty much always have a charge for shiv/kb

[late kestrel]

ok tysm i appreciate it

[static glacier]

i think some stuff can't be, but most relevant things are parried

[fleet pagoda]

last i knew for tea the conditions were to use it with shiv when; you are capped on tea charges or when you will not overcap energy by using it

[static glacier]

e.g i dont think death mark can be parried

while kingsbane can

[lethal arrow]

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/roronoa-zoro-zoro-sword-slash-haki-gif-23559348

[subtle cipher]

kingsbane can be parried?

wtf

[grim jay]

sure

[past bobcat]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[runic hinge]

can you do that for me

[rotund oak]

you would be surprised how many ppl struggling with wpns and ilvl in general

[gloomy otter]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/gZzYHnCX1vAtxTQW/14-4+Sikran,+Captain+of+the+Sureki/Rooky/standard

hey can someone help me analyze this and tell me what exactly im doing wrong mostly? all i understood is i can improve my uptimes on envenom , does it mean i want to have envenom debuff always on the boss? but isnt it worse to use envenom with for example only 3 CPs?

i dont have always enough cp and let envenom fall off so i can get enough cp

first

[desert vault]

The changes are coming this Tuesday/Wednesday right? The first set of them that is

[grim jay]

idk everyone should have atleast a crafted rn

[balmy prism]

I don't know if this is the correct forum but the rogue bis gear list has the wrong name for one of the rings, it's called Band of the Roving Scalawag not seal of the city watch

[real pike]

does evasion work for nippletwister parasites?

[rotund oak]

a 619 yeah not a 626 😛

[honest pelican]

best way to deal with cultivated psn? i feel like i take so much more damage then my other toons on rogue, i can cloak it but that sovles 1 out of many

does feint work on it? probably not but

[grim jay]

636

but ye

not that hard

[nocturne jasper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[clever sapphire]

i think whispyr can fix that if he sees it ye

[real pike]

pretty sure it does

[honest pelican]

yeah i just tested, it should. i cant really look to tell, but felt way less damage

feels awful on my rogue though

[real pike]

I mean it's aoe and yeah I feel like it does when I did rashy

everything feels awful on rogue without a defensive 😄

[honest pelican]

my ret is just like, cycle shield of vengeance, wog myself if i need to

[tacit otter]

for your information, wowanalyzer is not being maintained anymore for rogue^^

[olive peak]

does anyobody know how to lower the WAs text-to-speech volume? i have master on 5% and it still is loud AF

[balmy condor]

hm

I can probably get around it somehow

[urban trench]

wait do we envenom on 5CP? it used to be 6 or higher in DF

[grim jay]

yes 5+

[urban trench]

5+ means 5 aswell right?

[balmy condor]

yes

in dragonflight it was 4 for the record

[lusty saddle]

so trix macros dont work?

[severe sparrow]

They do

[primal quest]

i seem to take a lot of dmg to aoe in m+ 11s, do i go for versa or just keep feinting and hope for healer to do the rest?

[lusty saddle]

please link one that works for focus pls

[grim jay]

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade

as always

[drifting cloud]

just disabling the models on cps, energybar feels like gained me 20-30 fps in town

[primal quest]

I seem to take a lot of dmg to aoe in m+ 11s, do i go for some versa stat or just keep feinting and hope for healer to do the rest?

[balmy condor]

yep

[lusty saddle]

dont work for me.

[grim jay]

well do you actually have a focus target

or even tricks skilled

[lusty saddle]

i dont have trix talented....

[grim jay]

which is good btw

bcs it sucks on sin

[cerulean walrus]

@balmy condor Love you bb have a good week don’t get bodied in YouTube comments again (fieldies) or I’ll come to your house

[balmy condor]

updated

[cerulean walrus]

Holy based

[solid venture]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[drifting cloud]

[solid venture]

big if true

[merry bison]

sin‘s

[solid venture]

just hit a natty r23 parse on mythic rasha

[cerulean walrus]

Big if true

[runic hinge]

[solid venture]

not even a 99% smh my head

[normal mist]

You should be playing elusiveness at that key range and versa won't help THAT much

Just feint/evasion/cloak

[real pike]

really

Idk man I love my cheat death

but I do suck balls

[subtle tundra]

11s are still ok for cheat death

but if you want to go to 12s, elusiveness is, i'd say, mandatory

can probably still do some keys with cheat

but overall if you want to push and time, cheat isnt the key

you gotta get good and not die to avoidable things

and feint every unavoidable dmg

[real pike]

fair tbh I just do 10s and the odd easier 11

[soft shale]

even in 11s you get eaten by many dots

without elu

[subtle tundra]

i did 12 dawnbreaker today

key is not liveable without elusiveness

[soft shale]

neither is boralus

or ara kara

oh and city of cucks

[subtle tundra]

i did arakara on 12 with cheat

only 2 keys i did on 12

[soft shale]

healer diff likey

i was getting slammed by 2nd boss dot and last one poison

[subtle tundra]

i did play with a good group

r1 evoker healer

xd

[soft shale]

kekw

[real pike]

anyone know if evasion stops broodtwister parasites from infesting you?

[limber lion]

Don't think so

If they get in range, they'll just start the channel regardless

[buoyant schooner]

quick question on trikets, is there a difference between Dead-Eye Spyglass and Ara-Kara Sacbrood?

[cerulean walrus]

Sim

[late surge]

it does not

tested first pull kek

[weary shoal]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[weary shoal]

wax now works on OH too ?

[cerulean walrus]

No

[west crown]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[hollow ferry]

hey have a problem with dps on this stats and gear. 3 days ago I had no problem with it, but now my dps is very low on single 1.15M

[west crown]

dps seems normal, but if you were higher then check talents?

[jagged niche]

"stats" in general are not something that really helps to measure your dps

[static glacier]

1.15m on st at 616 is good

???

thats a v good parse on sikran for example

[jagged niche]

sim yourself and get a low review

[drifting cloud]

youre 616 with criminal trinkets, not sure what dps you think you should be doing

[severe sparrow]

ey we're trinket buddies

[static glacier]

you'd be rank 1 by 70k dps if you did 1.15m st on sikran mythic

[severe sparrow]

[hollow ferry]

yeah i know, Skardryn...

[static glacier]

homie i've got some bad news for you

[jagged niche]

maybe a rage bait

[static glacier]

we aren't bm or enh

or mage

xd

xd

[hollow ferry]

oh XD

okey

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[severe sparrow]

this hurts but it makes me feel a lot better about my performance relative to my guildies

[hollow ferry]

shieet okey thx for help

[static glacier]

just try to play well

the numbers will come with gear / buffs on reset

[hollow ferry]

yap i need better trinkets i think

[true rapids]

anyone know why my auto tricks wa/macro stopped working?

[severe sparrow]

which macro are you using iwth it

[true rapids]

the one from the command

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[severe sparrow]

the only one that works for me is that oe ^

even though there's a second wa on wago that uses some other similar

[red schooner]

I started to panic for a moment, I thought I was fucking something up royally with my damage for a bit then, (to be fair I still probably am)

[severe sparrow]

like without the leftbutton part

[true rapids]

i tried without and still nothing

[severe sparrow]

youre in a group with a tank, right?

[true rapids]

I see it setting the tank as target but button does nthing

[severe sparrow]

not just clicking it in town?

[true rapids]

i am in town though

[static glacier]

idk bro, people have some wildly unrealistic expectations of numbers

maybe on sikran hc you can blast if the kill timer is quick and good for you

but on mythic i'd be happy with 1m dps on it tbh

1m is a 79 parse

[red schooner]

I'm just happy to be competitive with the group most of the time. I have low aspirations

[static glacier]

95% parse is 1068k

this is for all ilvls

considering most people are above 616

[red schooner]

I really need to gear more, I'm still on 606

[static glacier]

gl man

[red schooner]

I'll need it. Pug life.

[static glacier]

and remember, a guy with a purple parse using defensives / playing mechanics perfectly is better than an orange parser who wipes you. the 60k dps isn't worth griefing ur group

aka press feint and don't greed uptime

[red schooner]

If I survive the fight and I'm middle of the pack, I take that as a win

I do need to feint more though

[static glacier]

for me I focus on executing mechanics properly, then optimising dmg after that

[limber dune]

Helllo, rogues. Can someone please help me to find proper platter template that prevent enemy health bars from overlapping on each other during the fight. Right as in the Whíspyr "A-Z mythic guide"?

[static glacier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[static glacier]

any of those should work

[limber dune]

thank you will take a look at these

[severe sparrow]

i keep feeling like i should give a proper watch of that video but i dont have the attention span

._ .

[static glacier]

break it down

into sections

watch a single section

whispyr is a known yapper

[severe sparrow]

i skimmed through 2/3 of it and it wasnt anything that wasnt uh

[static glacier]

he touches on the slightly more esoteric aspects of gameplay in the vids compared to written guides

[severe sparrow]

yeah but i think a lot of the esoteric stuff you can hear all you want but you really gotta be in the situations and learn hands on

[static glacier]

everyone's different, i can rawdog 2 hrs of vid and learn from it, but I understand a lot of people struggle with that / need to have hands on trial and error to learn

with tiktok wrecking attention spans etc

[severe sparrow]

tbh i think im still outlaw pilled when it comes to dungeons

i just wanna zugzug

fuck thinking just smash procs

[rotund oak]

wdym by ''esoteric''?This sounds like some religious woo

[static glacier]

google it, about to pull

means less concrete more touchy feely

qualitative info

[rotund oak]

[pliant remnant]

[stable bridge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glass obsidian]

is there a guide where i can find good macros for assa? not the ones written on wowhead

[spice surge]

No idea what you want the macros to do

[glass obsidian]

when i press major cds i want some buffs proced as well

[urban moat]

Any tips for doing stitchflesh ? I always wipe on him

[glass obsidian]

i am able to do it but i wanted to see what cds i should include and what not

[crimson current]

have a frost dk in your pt with 3 spears + lust

theres nothing else we can do

[urban moat]

My +12 is likely going to be a +9 soon just because of this boss...

[crimson current]

yea i just timed a +11 but it was so hard

[idle crane]

Would it be too much of a dps loss to try and get blindside in a M+ build? I was thinking of taking out Iron Wire and something else to get there but idk what would not be a HUGE effect

[crimson current]

but i think if you wont kill him in first wave, you cant have more than 1 ad alive

[idle crane]

Maybe Sudden Demise?

or dragon tempered

[urban moat]

Yeah, sadly there's always 1 person who can't do the hook and then ppl just wait and don't kill the ass and its over

[crimson current]

if you miss the hook its gojover

unfortunately

[urban moat]

This is such a pug destroyer...

[crimson current]

this season is not pug friendly besides mists, arakara and dawn

and its hard to join as rogue also

they just want dk, aug and mage

[urban moat]

Yeah that's why i have to do my own keys and i get 70% NW

[crimson current]

almost 2700 io and sometimes cant join keystones from ppl with 2400/2500

[urban moat]

I'd rip one of my nails to never get this key again

[crimson current]

in +10/11s

[urban moat]

Maybe not mut i'd get a good cold

[urban moat]

I'm 2500 ans can't get easily into grim +9

[crimson current]

and yet they nerfing spatter but frost dk unchanged blizzard lule

[bitter saddle]

In 2200 and can’t get into 7s that’s just life

[crimson current]

sad rogue life

since they created aug nobody want us anymore

[urban moat]

I don't mind getting carried by them

[bitter saddle]

Yeah I guess I’ll keep my rogue for raiding since I’m the only rogue and try and search for something else for m+

[crimson current]

me neither

but it is hard to join

cause nobody want rogues

[urban moat]

I mean why would you pick a Rogue vs a better dps'ing CR dk

[crimson current]

yea ik, in my m+ i do the same

its just sad

unfortunately frost dk is a must

[bitter saddle]

Are frost dk so good or do they bring some buff?

[crimson current]

no buffs

just a ton of damage

[bitter saddle]

Ah

[crimson current]

and grips for bas groups

[prisma tundra]

i mean most of it is just people thinking frost dks are amazing compared to something like a rogue, in reality with equal skill ur prob clearing roughly the same types of keys

[glass obsidian]

Do you guys recommend Macroing Thistle tea with any other cd?

[spice surge]

No

[prisma tundra]

ppl just look at hiscores to see what the best team is doing and refuse to invite anything that isnt in that team

[urban moat]

Yeah as always

[idle crane]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brisk path]

somebody posted this on reddit for GB key after one minute...so yea getting to GB is tough

(as somebody who ran 22 of them I know the pain)

[urban moat]

U got what we are all lf?

[cobalt sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[brisk path]

after all, yes

[hearty plover]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[urban moat]

Hoping to get it in chest

I simmed and it's the only this that is a more than 1% buff

[idle crane]

Hey guys, i'm trying to work Blindside into a M+ build, idk why I just like procs they feel good....

I'm thinking I can take Iron Wire out for Systemic Failure

Then I need to take one more thing out to get to Blindside, im debating on maybe removing Sudden Demise, Dragon-Tempered Blades, Shrouded Suffocation, or maybe Amplifying Poison? Nothing really seems like a good option though

[oblique jackal]

bad idea

Please do not

[idle crane]

Ok ok, I was kinda expecting that but I needed someone to tell me not to lmao.

Was figuring it would just be too much of a loss

[short comet]

Got a question about tea usage, how are you all using it I’ve been doing the same as back towards the middle of dragonflight ie using charges outside of cds to keep envenom chains rolling and saving at least 1 charge for kingsbane, is this not correct? The Guides and I’ve seen whispyr also saying in here to only use it at all during cds but that feels like just wasting charges when we have 3, am I over thinking it or doing it wrong?

[severe sparrow]

if you use one in opener and one for cds you shouldnt be capping im p sure?

[spice surge]

Use it once when you have 3 stacks

And then you use it for energy during shiv

[urban moat]

Should we use 2 during kb ? If its 1 do we use it for the last 6sec of kb rather than in the first during Shiv?

[blazing pumice]

you're supposed to be shivving at the end of kb

[urban moat]

WHAT?

[wise socket]

if playing 1 shiv you shiv the last 8 sec

[urban moat]

I have never done that...

Woops

[wise socket]

when playing double shiv you always go shiv, kingsbane then shiv again when the first runs out

[urban moat]

Guess that'll give me more dmg on dung bosses

[urban moat]

Yeah i got used to pressing them at the same time in raid

[wise socket]

ye in dungeons you always get one for end of kingsbane and 1 outside of cds

[spice surge]

You dont always need to, on big aoe its not worth

(besides the prio damage, but overall is lower)

[wise socket]

does it not increase spatter damage?

[spice surge]

It does not

[wise socket]

ah i see mb then

[urban moat]

Ah ty. Still it'll help a lot on bosses.

[spice surge]

If you dont have arterial that is

[wise socket]

yeah ofc

[spice surge]

With arterial its obviously worth

[wise socket]

not playing double shiv with arterial seems abit trol tho

idk

[winged basin]

finding a guild this xpac, is ruff, just watched mine crumble around me and the vibes are not good, but finding an escape is tuff, wowprogress seems empty

[urban moat]

Didn't know it was played

[heavy quiver]

deadly and amplifying right?

[elder prism]

It's bis for for Outlaw tbh...despite being Offhand

Also- guys, Am I being dumb or there isn't an actual way to swap deathstalker mark? DoI need to Vanish and AMbush to do this?

[short comet]

I mean usually not capping no but also following the “if it won’t overcap you on energy” rule I’m definitely leaving free energy on the table during downtime idk probably just freely craft

[elder prism]

even then, it seems like it sometimes bugs and doesn't even apply on to target

[tough widget]

do i want to apply 4 poisons, or 3 or does it not make a difference?

[prime hull]

How do you use thistle tea?

[hoary scroll]

for assa raid - is there any haste recommended?

[spice surge]

During shiv whenever you wont waste the energy

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[severe sparrow]

yeah but sending tea during shiv > sending tea just to spam envenoms and apply rupture so i wouldnt just send it to send it unless youre about to cap

[prime hull]

Does that mean outside of kingsbane in m+?

[soft shale]

you proc darkest night then change target

be careful on bosses like court because the boss can peace out

[elder prism]

so on bosses like Unserak with multiple phases - do I always have to make sure to keep darkest night before entering a new phase?

[grim jay]

Which one is unserak

[crystal helm]

i guess queen ansurek

[grim jay]

I dont remember names tbf

[grim jay]

That might be it

[severe sparrow]

all these nerubian names look the same to me

[grim jay]

Ye I just stopped trying

[soft shale]

yes you get it before she yeets

then get on the mob that dies

[slate crown]

For sin, yes, you have to be careful

[soft shale]

and you just keep piggybacking onto mobs that dies

[slate crown]

This is a reason that dropping imp garrote can be useful

so you can reserve Vanish for recovering if you lose it

[elder prism]

that seems so unintuitive

[slate crown]

[elder prism]

so I gotta make sure I always kill mobs with Darkest night available

[urban moat]

Deathmark is so random

[elder prism]

it feels really bad

[urban moat]

And u have to think abt it on so many occasions at the same time

[grim jay]

Its not even close to random

[elder prism]

maybe it's my outlaw mind, where tis jsut full send all the time

[grim jay]

Its predictable

[arctic granite]

Hey I've got a question. Which of the 3 rogue specs actually scales the best into the expansion?

[urban moat]

I meant random on mobs like trees in mist or other grim 3rd boss

[arctic granite]

for like M+ and Raid

[crystal helm]

You can always save the vanish for when/if you lose your deathmark, might be a dps loss not using it for imp garrote but it's more of a loss i think if you don't have deaths mark up for the intermission phase

[grim jay]

Its not random there either

Tbh

You just cant spam mindlessly

[spice surge]

Thats not really a thing anymore

[left sundial]

!echo

[crystal helm]

Guess you can play all 3, depends on your playstyle

[spice surge]

Whats good in a tier isnt based on some random scaling factors, its based on how strong your new tier sets end up being and whatever tuning changes blizzard does

[urban moat]

U don't think it should give darkest night ?

[grim jay]

I do, but that doesnt change the fact that it isnt random and you can easily play around it by not just spaming away

[urban moat]

😡

[crystal helm]

What is it with it that you think is so random?

[urban moat]

The fact that it gives u dn when u kill a mob and not when the mon is not killed but kinda

[soft shale]

yea scaling was a funny thing for a while sub used to be quite good at the end in mop cata and wod because of sinister calling and mechanics but nowadays it comes more on tuning

back then you didnt have 20%+ buffs on many specs

[reef isle]

why is warcraftlogs website kinda fucked up for me

[crystal helm]

Still don't understand, don't think ive faced this issue that you have or atleast not that i can recall it

Do you mean on aoe packs for example?

[dense cloud]

do i wanna keep this?

or trade it away

[jade cradle]

keep

[grim jay]

No he means like 3rd boss grim batol first phase where just the guy is there

If you have Mark on him and he jumps down with it your mark is gone

You dont get DN and need to vanish for a new mark

[crystal helm]

Oh thats true, i've always vanished for it but i guess it's because blizz is an indie company and havent programmed that the orc and dragon is actually the same npc 😠

[vernal shadow]

Same thing happens with first boss in Mists

[severe sparrow]

so i have 0 score for an over time 10 key, but completing a 4 with ++ also gives me no score

what do i do with this

is raiderio just buggin?

[crude nymph]

hey howdy got a question for you smart boys. so i've been doing some log review and sometimes I see other rogues just spam a single mutilate -> envenom. Whys that?

[normal mist]

1 cast into envenom?

[crude nymph]

yessir

[normal mist]

they are weird

[drifting cloud]

muscle memory from DF prob

[normal mist]

you want to 5+ every time

[balmy condor]

isn't it just echoing reprimand cp

[normal mist]

^

[crude nymph]

Nah no echoing reprimand even close

[balmy condor]

[normal mist]

ohh

maybe fatebound whispyr!

and double crit mut

[balmy condor]

I'm like 99% sure it's echoing cp

[crude nymph]

Idk im looking at this trying to make sense of it

Last cast of ER was at 6:10

so im like surely it's.. not ER?

[spice surge]

Its only 15s later

It can absolutely be ER

Most likely is

[slate crown]

Echoing reprimand

gives you a buff

you can look at the log's buffs and see if it's active during this time

[urban moat]

my +12 is now a +9, never doing that key in pug again

[royal python]

Hi whyspyr I commented on your YouTube as well, so the overall buff benefits are expected to benefit deathstalker way more than fatebound correct?

[crude nymph]

okay so it was active

[balmy condor]

fatebound already worked with the tier

[crude nymph]

Now im questioning if understand how ER works to let you spam mutilate envenom?

like isn't it only active for 3,4,5 ?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[royal python]

But if they simmed the same, aren't we going to see a difference in performance or am I missing something here

[balmy condor]

so if you finish on 3

you get a 7cp envenom

and then 3 goes away

[crude nymph]

right. but you can only do that once from what I understand

[balmy condor]

yeah

[crude nymph]

okay

[nimble vector]

he is getting ambush procs / cast shiv so he would be at 5+ cp for each of these envenoms

[balmy condor]

not true

[crude nymph]

[nimble vector]

I mean he could be at 3cp for one of those envenoms but I assume he is not doing that

[balmy condor]

the first envenom after KB can be 4, the envenom after second shiv can be 3

he's doing that cause of er combo points

link the log

[crude nymph]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XqyrTPjAgcQZ8GJ3#fight=40&type=casts&view=timeline&source=19

[balmy condor]

okay well in that time frame it's all 5cp

lucky crits

[nimble vector]

he did cast a 4cp envenom at 6:11 but others were fine

[crude nymph]

oh

so its just get lucky

[balmy condor]

top to bottom here is 3/4/5 cp

so like before that

he pressed ER

got to 3

finished

then 6:11 he consumed the 4 cp

and then the 5cp at 6:19

[nimble vector]

whispyr is smarter than me I don't know how to do that

[balmy condor]

on the time frame you linked

[crude nymph]

[balmy condor]

so 6:22 your screenshot starts

wait that doesn't add up at all

this isn't the same log

[crude nymph]

HUH did I mess up

[nimble vector]

That would be why I linked the wrong timing I just went off when he pressed KB around that time

[balmy condor]

we're looking at this?

[crude nymph]

yes I believe so.

NO

DIFFERENT

time??

OTL sorry man im new at this

[balmy condor]

he doesn't cast a deathmark at 6:20

so whatever screenshot you sent earlier

is from something else

[crude nymph]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XqyrTPjAgcQZ8GJ3#fight=40&type=casts&view=timeline&source=19

Im so confused now

Sorry for the trouble

[balmy condor]

okay idk what you did to change the timing

let me redo this for that timeframe

[crude nymph]

thank you

can I watch what you're doing to learn @balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

already done xdd

[crude nymph]

ur 2 fast 4 mi

[balmy condor]

he only had the 4th echoing cp

already had consumed 3 and 5

6:02 that's shiv and a seal fate

0->2 cp

kingsbane took to 3

mutilate took to 7

cause double crit

envenom at 6:05 then

mut then takes to 3

ambush is 3 raw to 6, envenom to finish

2cp from the mut, the shiv crits to bring him to 4cp

4cp is the echoing cp, so finish there to consume

then mut to 3, the ambush crits to 7, envenom

[crude nymph]

[balmy condor]

makes sense?

[split grail]

Should I be envenoming at 5 or 6 cp

[crude nymph]

YeahI believe im keeping up

[balmy condor]

5

[split grail]

ty

[crude nymph]

Thank you Whispyr

[balmy condor]

that might be easier to see

graphic design is my passion

[novel star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[balmy condor]

why

[novel star]

LMAOO

[tall atlas]

so cute

[crude nymph]

yknow

[novel star]

blame LE

[crude nymph]

sometimes I stare at logs too much

[novel star]

le made the gif

[crude nymph]

and I go cross eyed

[digital wind]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crude nymph]

and then Whispyr-I-AM-MENTALLY-UNWELL.mp3 plays in my head

[balmy condor]

are you sure you don't just look like that naturally?

[crude nymph]

so thank you

[crude nymph]

[balmy condor]

[pine cave]

!wex

[balmy condor]

wex

[pine cave]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[crude nymph]

wex

[pine cave]

what is the best consumables on rouge ?

[balmy condor]

whetstones

at least if you believe this idiot

[iron valve]

so excuse the dumb, but how do I get a 639 weapon crafted? I have to gather crests and then con an enchanter into making something and then taking that to another dudge?

[pine cave]

on mityuki too?

[balmy condor]

bless you

what

[crude nymph]

I believe this idiot blindly

[balmy condor]

you get 90 gilded crests, go to the enchanting vendor, get a gilded harbinger thingie, set up a work order to have it turned into an enchanted gilded whatever, then you add that to your dagger craft

[iron valve]

ty ty ty ty ty

[nimble vector]

crafted is 636 not 639

[spice surge]

Its also 636, 3 ilvls lower than myth max gear, but still worth

[balmy condor]

okay smartasses

[novel star]

enchanted crest you can just public order tho

[balmy condor]

[novel star]

they have no quality so

[balmy condor]

hows it feel being nerds

I cannot relate

[novel star]

shut up twink

[balmy condor]

si papi

[novel star]

[drifting cloud]

ok mr. known malware spreader

[balmy condor]

another thing I needed to remove from afenar

at what point is it not an edit anymore

[novel star]

w8 what

[drifting cloud]

when it passes AI code review

[slate crown]

Weakaura pack of theseus yada yada

[balmy condor]

weakauras using models blows up framerates apparently

[slate crown]

yeah I noticed that in afenar

[balmy condor]

and afenar put models on fucking everything for fun

[novel star]

oh

[west crown]

Is bubbling wax or oil better for ST? No way to sim currently

[balmy condor]

so I removed it earlier today

[novel star]

wtf

so your weakaura was ruining my fps

[balmy condor]

equal

it's possible

[novel star]

awesome thanks whispy mwa mwa

[autumn remnant]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

really isn’t an edit atp tho if ur remaking the whole shit

theseussy

[sharp viper]

Whichever weakaura pack I use all of em use a lot of resources

Feels super clunky on fights like HC queen

[winged basin]

sadge, give me a break

[novel star]

lmao

[winged basin]

made me feel all special, then crushed my soul

[novel star]

come to my guild man you’re really good you won’t play the game tho

banger

[winged basin]

finding a guild is harder this tier then anything at this point, everyones stuck on brood looking for extremely specific pieces

[gloomy otter]

i got 25% crit und 48% master is that good

[winged basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-rookie-numbers-gif-20904132

[west crown]

And all the not mythic raiding guilds are stuck 7/8 H

[balmy condor]

There’s a command to check, hold on

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna make a bot command for it in a bit

[sharp viper]

I tried WA profiling

[balmy condor]

It’s lagging before the profile render

[sharp viper]

And some chat command script

[balmy condor]

The chat command script is good

[sharp viper]

didn't return anything for me - I've been told that means my weakauras don't use those 3d models you mentioned

[royal lantern]

"extremely specific pieces" is a funny way to say "a blood dk"

[winged basin]

TRUE LMAO

[cinder geode]

what talents do yall do on mythic ulgrax?

rank 1 parse is just st build but with thrown precision and tempest instead of vicious

[gleaming spire]

Sub kekw

(And then fumble the bag)

[royal lantern]

not us bringing a 607 blood dk into mythic prog cus blizz made a fight that needs 2x blood :3

[sharp viper]

that really depends on your raid setup, if you got plenty of aoe damage for the intermission you don't necessarily need CT

[cinder geode]

i think ill just play shrouded suffucation and imp garrote

with regular st

[west crown]

Spatter will do most of your damage there anyway

[spice spire]

#1080572530554835072

[west crown]

I am just now discovering this…

[runic hinge]

:3

[royal lantern]

#assassination managed to create #1080572530554835072 #1231592737221120152 and #1146207476983812117

[sharp viper]

this channel is more offtopic than #off-topic

[grand trail]

how do you even tell if your WA have models

i find one but wasnt even active

[slate crown]

It’s one of the element types you can add on the display tab

Or you can just make it the base aura type

[west crown]

Pedro

[severe sparrow]

hey my mythic guild is 7/8 H rn soft mythic though we always just end up at 6/8M end of season

[woven shore]

wtf xD

[hollow talon]

do we have any prepull tech in keys before the key goes in

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp viper]

you could hit a mob for some CP before the key is put in to get slice and dice running but that is very sweaty, doesn't bring much, will annoy your group mates and will be obsolete soon

and you can only snd before the fog gate opens after the key is put in

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!lag

Hm

Moroes self-filtering itself

[sharp viper]

did you break moroes again or just brick the new command?

[balmy condor]

Was not expected

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[balmy condor]

!lag

[prisma monolith]

Significant WA lag
Weakauras has identified a source of large lag on some weakauras. This happens on any weakauras using MODELS in their display tab. Deleting the model or turning the affected weakaura to never load should give back a couple of FPS.

You can check for impacted weakauras by running the following script in your in-game chat: lua /run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end

[balmy condor]

That works

[runic hinge]

how can you tell? it'll say 1?

[balmy condor]

It’ll post the name of any affected weakaura in your chat

[runic hinge]

okay it said nothing im guuci af

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[arctic tusk]

how big of a difference is it to not use ascendance plus the one that doubles it vs just using 2 elemental focusing lens

[balmy condor]

Sim

Probably 0.5%ish

[arctic tusk]

how does the 2x work with it btw?

you just gain double the stat

or twice as fast

[balmy condor]

Stat

That’s how basically every doubling works btw

Weapon enchants for example

Same proc, double the stat

[arctic tusk]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

Or double the damage in the case of depths

[solar orbit]

How come concoction simmed better than spyglass

the fucking cd is terrible

[glad osprey]

how do you guys handle deathstalker’s mark in big packs

See I wish there was a way to like automatically set focus on a deathstalkers mark for you to like easily go back to it when spreading bleeds

or is there a way to do this

I did some research and macros can’t tell status so like

there is some limitations and idk how to work around it

[balmy condor]

What’s your other slot

[balmy condor]

Recolor the nameplate generally but you smash the same target 99% of the time anyway for caustic spatter

[worldly sail]

someone linked this here https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC and i like it

[glad osprey]

Yeah I have been but I find this is an issue if you don’t have a vanish up and tank continuously pulls mobs so you can’t stealth to get the

[balmy condor]

Yeh that makes sense then

[worldly sail]

idk why its a weakaura instead of plater mod but it works

[glad osprey]

spread on the bleeds

[balmy condor]

Concoction is an on-use

Having an on-use is important

[glad osprey]

So then you find yourself lost and trying to stack bleeds on many enemies as possible

and it’s easy to lose your mark

[solar orbit]

So I keep spy glass until I get skardyn?

[balmy condor]

You don’t do that though

[polar timber]

are you guys having to spread bleeds past your first set??

[glad osprey]

Thank you I’ll take a look

[glad osprey]

What do you do then

[polar timber]

i feel like thats a 13+ type thing

[balmy condor]

Probably fine to keep, but the knife is very good as well

[balmy condor]

Bleed like 3-4 times total for energy and caustic

Outside of crimson tempest, bleed damage isn’t really all that impressive

So you just bleed for energy, maintain ct, and then caustic spatter away

[glad osprey]

Fair

[worldly sail]

is using darkest night the highest prio in aoe too btw

i feel like it is but sometimes feels bad to build up to it

[polar timber]

would you guys prefer caustic to be localized on the player instead of the enemy?

[balmy condor]

Outside of carnage yes

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[polar timber]

after some of the bosses this tier ive changed my opnion on it

[solar orbit]

Very good damage if you have caustic

[glad osprey]

Definitely not

LOL

[balmy condor]

There’s range issues on caustic for sure especially in raid

But I don’t think changing to player is the fix

[polar timber]

ya if it worked like ignite on say horror it would be sick

or if anything worked on rash

but that ships so long gone

[balmy condor]

It does work on rash, you just need your raid to stack them under the boss

[polar timber]

mission impossible tbh

[balmy condor]

I was getting 10-15% of my damage on prog from spatter

[glad osprey]

When are we getting buffed btw I keep seeing the patch notes everywhere but not a date

Is it the November / December patch ?

[balmy condor]

November yes

Anniversary is always November

[near magnet]

Yo whispyr , asked you yesterday about that but picking 50% garrote talent instead of ct is simming like 13k more for M ovinax and iam assigned for st. Do u still recommend ct?

[balmy condor]

Some speculation it’s the last week of October to draw out the event length wise

[glad osprey]

also asking for the sake of the bm buffs bcuz oh my god it’s bad to play rn which is why I’m trying rogue after playing mainly hunter (alternating between MM and BM) for yearssss

I hate survival

[balmy condor]

Yeah id never fucking do that lmao

Always CT

[glad osprey]

BM in aoe rn is so sad

[royal lantern]

weak

[solar orbit]

what is CT?

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest

[glad osprey]

Idk I play hunter for the class fantasy and genuinely I don’t really like the class fantasy of survival but that’s just my opinion

I’m not sure how it actually plays

[solar orbit]

That's one of the classes that I enjoyed the most in pvp in DF

[glad osprey]

I don’t PvP

but yeah survival was goated in pvp apparently

[balmy condor]

Enjoying and PvP in the same sentence

[solar orbit]

I played lol for over a decade

At this point, I'm numb to pain

[glad osprey]

Id try PvP if it didn’t require you to have a completely different set of gear and prep

I always lose interest

[balmy condor]

League is better than wow pvp

Wow PvP is like chewing glass

[past forum]

mmmh, yummy glass

[glad osprey]

i feel like at this point they need to make arena like

a whole separate game

where everyone has same stat

[past forum]

so with nude garrote, you dont vanish unless something goes wrong yeah?

[glad osprey]

there's an insane amount of prep to go into pvp before you become the point where you actually have fun with it

[balmy condor]

They tried that with templates and the pvp community bitched about it for the whole expansion

[glad osprey]

and they make it easier every expansion but its still zzz

like why do i wanna just farm pvp gear but repeatedly die because squishy asf

[solar orbit]

GW2's approach, the issue is not the stat tho, but the spells

Too much cleave is bad for a pvp game where its supposed to be centered around set ups and interruptible ccs

[glad osprey]

what expansion was this? i genuinely don't remember

but i'm also completely out of the loop with pvp

[solar orbit]

was it legion or bfa?

[glad osprey]

i think last time i even tried it was bfa but i lost interest while farming the gear

[solar orbit]

pvp is way easier to gear than pve btw

[balmy condor]

Legion

[solar orbit]

nowadays, at least

[glad osprey]

ye but at least pve it feels rewarding because lower keys are still hard with low ilvl

in pvp you just die x100

theres no actual challenge because you have no chance

[winged basin]

is the rogue buff applied on tuesday, or is it apart of the 11.0.5 patch?

[glad osprey]

and then your pvp gear sucks for pve and pve gear sucks for pvp

so to actually enjoy it for the most part people make 2 separate characters unless if they want spare gear to be sitting in their inventory all the time

[solar orbit]

unless you're sub because you want vers mastery anyways

[balmy condor]

Buff is Tuesday

[solar orbit]

do we use double bubbling?

[glad osprey]

as i said id dabble in pvp if it didnt require me to bore through the pvp gear grind, pve sets should be relevant in there again but then pvpers will just get mad that they are "forced to do pve content" again

[indigo elk]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[indigo elk]

O wait the line about working on MH is gone

[glad osprey]

oh rlly? i misread and thought you meant we were getting the buffs in the anniversary patch

thats kinda nice

[balmy condor]

Yeh the tier buffs are weekly reset

[balmy condor]

Still doesn’t work I think but the whole thing is jank

Scales with item level now too I think

Very strange