assassination

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[drifting cloud]

ill send it up the chain for code review

[fickle lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[limpid hearth]

Looks good bro, dont send it just sit on your ass and get paid 6 figs

[balmy condor]

infinite money hack

[lament finch]

is sin > outlaw still in M+?

[woven shore]

So you'd call 85-94 purple exceptional?

[warped folio]

Any tips on when to use the Mad Queen trinket in the opener and regular rotation?

[cunning basin]

Sin > all in m+
Source: trust me bro

[raven egret]

if(yes) then
money
end

[glacial scroll]

If you're just getting into min maxing yeah it's good enough. If you wanna min max then you can keep improving. But overall if you're lower than purple prob have some basics to get down

[limpid hearth]

Sin > outlaw unless ur slamming low keys to flex on noobs

[lament finch]

am i doing something wrong? feels like my dmg is always so low in m+. currently 614 ilvl with 4pc ****

[cunning basin]

Ah yes slamming low keys to flex on noobs, my favorite pastime

[woven shore]

I feel stupid talking about Heroic Logs tbh

Saw some people today with high orange logs on heroic but on Mythic they had green and low blue logs

[cunning basin]

It me

[glacial scroll]

Well there's some variables to consider. Ilvl, also a lot less mythic clears means a lot more hardcore players min maxing

[icy girder]

same

[glacial scroll]

So it's harder to parse higher

[limpid hearth]

Have to gaslight them at low keys so they think outlaw is good when they get to high keys

[icy girder]

green pharse mythic andy

[glacial scroll]

If you're orange parsing heroic you know the class pretty well

[grim vigil]

anyone offering coaching for gold?

go over my gear different m+ situations etc

[cerulean compass]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

^ free

[cerulean compass]

200k please

[grim vigil]

XD

[balmy condor]

sending you my p.o. box

unmarked bills pls

[normal mist]

For real @grim vigil did you read the guide?

[cobalt sphinx]

I think people here are very willing to do log reviews if you record a run and type !log

[grim vigil]

anyone here been running double vanish build in m+?

[limpid hearth]

No

[balmy condor]

ew

[cobalt sphinx]

Some do but it isn’t recommended

[spice spire]

What if I specially marked the bills for you

[balmy condor]

no

[cobalt sphinx]

It can have its uses, like quadruple melee vs amarth

[grim vigil]

im underperforming so hard on my rogue

i cant point at why

[woven shore]

Rn my only blue log is on ovinax however i never played it with crimson tempest like i saw on Whispyrs build for ovinax
Also saw people play it on mythic ovi

Didnt thought about it tbh
I think it wouldve improved my performance

[balmy condor]

don't play ct on heroic

[grim vigil]

are yall talking ilvl logs or just regular

anyone can pull 95+

[raven egret]

CT on heroic is extreme bait

[woven shore]

Im thinking about trying to find a better guild but i feel like im a bad rogue

[glacial scroll]

Adds die so fast right now a lot of times the dot DMG from it won't really benefit you

[woven shore]

So am i playing the fight just bad?

[limpid hearth]

Bro thats solid what u mean lol

[tropic cedar]

the bug isn't even that "bte wont shoot", it just says that it's off cd when it isnt, that's the entire bug. If you play correctly, it doesn't happen

[cunning basin]

I mean if you got people cranking the ads and they aren't living very long you're not gonna have a good parse since it's technically an AOE fight

[woven shore]

I feel like 83 86 is terrible as fuck

I know i could do so much better

[drifting cloud]

if its heroic pugs its going to depends alot just on the groups you get

[glacial scroll]

Probably not bad but maybe not getting a lot of the adds in caustic hard to say without looking into it more. As long as your bursts feel precise and you're getting adds cleaved it should be good. That's so a harder one to get higher one compared to others IMO due to variables

[grim vigil]

yall playing momentum of despair or follow the blood in hero talents for m+ second to last row

[drifting cloud]

sometimes you might be missing a buff, or super lame kill timers etc

[oblique jackal]

let's go buffs!!

[woven shore]

Yea ... About that
My guild doesnt do the fight how i would do it

[rose dirge]

quick question

[woven shore]

Group adds move boss to worms

Mass grip nothing

[rose dirge]

I find it hard to sim what trinket to use on assa in m+

Its between crystal, void reaper and ara kara

tried simming 5 targets 2 min and crystal wins, but i dont think thats a realistic sim to look at

[woven shore]

Exactly solid not great

[tropic cedar]

then sim patchwerk 5 mins

and compare

[rain berry]

if i dont care raiding at all should i craft ascension embelishment for m+?

[royal lantern]

mate, dungeonslice

its maintained for rogue

just use it

[sour oasis]

So

The update

[royal lantern]

pins

[sour oasis]

Is a up ?

[royal lantern]

stop typing

[sour oasis]

Not a nerf ?

[royal lantern]

read the pinss

[sour oasis]

But ho

[cerulean compass]

[limpid hearth]

Half of the raid at 90+ is pretty good @woven shore . Of course you could improve but far from trash

[sour oasis]

How

[cerulean compass]

They've fixed bugz

[sour oasis]

Caustic splatter is important

[tulip portal]

Someone told me dawnthread is bugged and doesent stack and that ascension is better at higher keys, but i dont know for sure

[royal lantern]

mate, how does spatter work

[fickle lotus]

just read the pin bro

[sour oasis]

I read it

[cunning basin]

The pin explains everything

[sour oasis]

But i dont understand the text about the tic

5 or 6 ?

[runic hinge]

Spatter is a percentage of the damage you deal. You’re gonna deal more damage. So despite the fact it’s a nerf to spatter it’s an overall buff cause you’re dealing more damage

[grim vigil]

why is double vanish bad? in higher keys where you can reapply your bleeds during a pull without tab targeting is giga value no? also Zerocool is doing like 12s with this build, hes like rank 9 world

[spice surge]

#assassination message
Its pinned

[balmy condor]

you've activated my trap card

[fickle lotus]

[cunning basin]

Oh no

[royal lantern]

bleeds do no dmg

zerocool is not playing the same game you do

[woven shore]

Hm okay thank you

[grim vigil]

how so?

[royal lantern]

stop comparing stuff to "top players", thats 1 of the worst things you could possibly do

[limpid hearth]

Well first, are you doing 12s?

[grim vigil]

im doing 11s going into 12s

bro im 4/8 mythic 624 im trying to understand why my aoe dps is lacking

[royal lantern]

cus you play double vanish

lol

[runic hinge]

It’s probably cause you’re taking double vanish

[royal lantern]

you take a 5% dmg hit

for nothing

[acoustic roost]

lol gottem

[royal lantern]

no gain

[grim vigil]

nah i was playing normal build before 😄

[royal lantern]

then you play wrong

[grim vigil]

dude yall stupid or waht 😄

[dull pulsar]

show details split damage

Or logs if u have

[cobalt sphinx]

Double vanish seems good if you have a strat around it

[sterile crest]

I mean what is your dmg like

[sterile crest]

This

[grim vigil]

1.4 m in a 11 mist with an aug

[limpid hearth]

Brother you came here asking for advice, we told you the objective truth

[sterile crest]

That is quite low yeah

[grim vigil]

all good

[sterile crest]

But do you have a breakdown

[dull pulsar]

This

[grim vigil]

sec

[cunning basin]

Probs necessary for certain keys, some tyran mechanics you can vanish instead of getting one shot

[dull pulsar]

Literally got help here 2 weeks ago

[cunning basin]

Even mob mechanics

[dull pulsar]

i am actually blasting in keys now

because of basic tips

[balmy condor]

it's actually not even for the cheese

it's just controlling very specific packs on higher keys

and that's uh

it

[cunning basin]

Makes sense

[drifting cloud]

its to offset the int on the dagger

[woven shore]

Yea i thought that

[sterile crest]

With an Aug I’ve done close to 2.4mil at that ilvl so likely something is very wrong in your breakdown

[balmy condor]

but no pug group on a 10/11 is going to ever need you to drop like 6-7% of your damage to control one back

[woven shore]

The silence for 12seconds sounds crazy good for a few packs

[balmy condor]

[cedar iron]

copying high r.io and wf raiders is always the correct choice

[keen spruce]

this would indicate something catostrophically wrong

[grim vigil]

THATS WHY IM ASKING

[cobalt sphinx]

Aoe silence for beguilers in gb or frostbolt volleys in wake seems nice as an example

[balmy condor]

why your envenom so low

[royal lantern]

thats the 1 thing that is so mindblowing

the "but controlling adds????" part you read all the time

tf are they playing where they have apperantly packs with 9+ casters lol

[cunning basin]

The tanks in pug 10s and 11s don't even know iron wire exists

[balmy condor]

where's hunt them down

are you inting your mark

I feel like you're inting your mark

[cunning basin]

DHs constantly override my IW with silence lmao

[frozen iris]

Hero Talents
Deathstalker: Follow the Blood effect now requires 2 targets afflicted with Rupture (was 3 targets).

[cedar iron]

theres no mark at all

[runic hinge]

I laughed out loud

[dull pulsar]

was thinking about that, feels like you don't caustic splatter on the marked target no ?

[keen spruce]

IMPY

[frozen iris]

more changes 3 min ago

[balmy condor]

what? you should be hitting your mark + caustic on the same target always

[keen spruce]

ARE YOU THE INEVITABLE DEMISE PEEPO IMPY FROM LEGION @cedar iron

[sterile crest]

I think he was saying it looks like that guy wasn’t doing that

[keen spruce]

[cunning basin]

Always hit marked with spatter get that prio damage

[cedar iron]

uhm, unsure i might be

theres multiple impys

[keen spruce]

https://wago.io/r1_MTs6vX

did u make this

[spice spire]

BP dam raised 35%

[cunning basin]

Boo

[cedar iron]

no thats the guy that got me pinged in wl discord all the time

[sterile crest]

Yeah at a quick glance it looks like you aren’t really playing around your deathstalker marks at all

[keen spruce]

damn

i think i pinged you in there too

[balmy condor]

updated thanks

[woven shore]

@balmy condor do you think that makes it worth casting ct on for example mists first boss?

[keen spruce]

he's the reason all of my peepo weakauras exist

[balmy condor]

you mean, the thing we already do?

[keen spruce]

i need to give him a smooch

[balmy condor]

probably yeah

[woven shore]

X.X

[cunning basin]

Doing god's work as usual brother

[frozen iris]

Im blind as fuck but i dont see follow the blood on deathstalker

[spice spire]

Reread the pin

[woven shore]

Bruuuhh

[fickle lotus]

Court stocks are through the roof right now

[spice spire]

Last bit was 🔥🔥🔥

[spice surge]

Its a choice node with momentum of despair

[runic hinge]

Is he the reason any of us exist? Existential crisis time

[gloomy otter]

whats the better move , keep BiS Veteran item or change to "worse" champion item with bad stats?

[grim vigil]

the mistake would be i open on high health with ambush but then targeting something else and doing rotation from there while not having mark i geuss?

[limpid hearth]

Sim

[austere bramble]

so sin rogue ST is at least 4 % stronger now?

[woven shore]

Sim

[balmy condor]

yes

[cunning basin]

That is essentially what the pin says

[balmy condor]

would assume you're also not consuming darkest night based on how low your envenom is

[sterile crest]

You should always funnel the target that has mark, so don’t ambush a target and then funnel caustic on a different one

[sour oasis]

The 4 p at 5 stack and not 6 is a up of how many %?

[austere bramble]

very nice i hope thats enough to make it more competitive on the ST only fights

[rain wraith]

Finally

[lament stump]

cursed ass gnome rogue

[pliant remnant]

[keen spruce]

gnome gud

[cunning basin]

Congrats for your trinket sorry for your race, hope it gets better

[keen spruce]

ankle biter

[sterile crest]

Doing what you are doing you are essentially playing without a hero talent at all

[rain wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-gif-15649994051004397543

[cedar iron]

this is my future

[cunning basin]

WTFFFFF

[rain wraith]

Escape artist bis

[tepid lichen]

anyone know if the crafting trick for free upgrades works with wep too? or just ring

[grim vigil]

aight ill work on that, maybe i need a wa for it

thx

[balmy condor]

"sorry for your race" is crazy

[cunning basin]

Should always be on your marked target

[drifting cloud]

it works

[tepid lichen]

holy

[cunning basin]

I'm feeling a little goofy

[woven shore]

Should i cast ct on 2 targets aswell ?
Or now worth it after this change

I dont remember where i got it from but i heard to not cast ct under 3

[icy girder]

@drifting cloud whats the trick?

[drifting cloud]

its more of a bug

[balmy condor]

we cast CT on 2 targets yes

[thorn fjord]

This channel implodes yet?

[balmy condor]

since the start of the patch

[balmy condor]

we're already past imploding

[woven shore]

Okay sir

[balmy condor]

the rebuilding is occuring

[cunning basin]

We're getting there

[woven shore]

[thorn fjord]

[keen spruce]

we are approaching singularity

[cedar iron]

anything with 2 slots, trinkets would work aswell

[balmy condor]

a channel must be destroyed for it to be built anew

[keen spruce]

when whispyr's brain collapses in on itself

[thorn fjord]

I’m here for it

[keen spruce]

and forms a black hole

[icy girder]

could someone explain the crafting trick to me please

[woven shore]

Trick?

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

what trick?

[cedar iron]

that might be illegal to do

[keen spruce]

and from it a new universe is formed where you need exactly 14% haste and 32% crit

and silent stilleto is good

[balmy condor]

@waxen oyster's fault

[keen spruce]

and restealths matter

[sterile crest]

You definitely want a WA to track your Darkest Night (capstone talent). This is the main way you will apply your mark from pack to pack

[rose dirge]

wait you guys dont have mythic track skardyn? we pimpin

[runic hinge]

Craft a 636. Recraft it. get free upgrades in your second slot. For rings or weapons

[cunning basin]

What the fuck

[rain wraith]

Name checks out

[rose dirge]

yes happened to me aswell, free

[woven shore]

People running around with their 626 gear already and i cant fucking find a Group even with my own fucking key

So im stuck at 614 great

[icy girder]

@runic hinge ty

[woven shore]

6 days ago i had a stonevault + 7 and it took my crazy 1hour to fill my group

[vocal cradle]

anyone got a working clickable weakaura for bottled flayedwing toxin?

[woven shore]

People say " do your key its easier to find a group" my asshole

[prisma tundra]

do you need to change any stats or anything

[woeful meteor]

b2b raids, where endboss gets significantly easier on a specific race are great

[rose dirge]

i changed missive, but i dont know

[runic hinge]

I haven’t done it but probably not

[woeful meteor]

cant wait what the cook up next time maybe everyone gets stunned and you play 20 humans

[cunning basin]

That would be so sick and so cool and neat

[keen spruce]

just look better

[cedar iron]

maybe jaina comes back and everyone has to be a troll again

[drifting cloud]

they already fixed that one, we have to go 1 race by 1

need a kultiran raid boss

[keen spruce]

Your ability to interact with other people and forming relationships impacting your success in an MMO being a wild concept to some people.

[woven shore]

Fuck
You are right my bad

[strange python]

Can’t wait for a boss where you have to use your vulpera tent somehow

[keen spruce]

that's the wrong image

but i'm not changin it

close enough

[woeful meteor]

that image goes hard

[runic hinge]

Meowdy every bunny

[slate crown]

Is my ability to interact with other people and forming relationships in an MMO correlated with my ability to interact with other people and forming relationships outside of an mmo?

[cedar iron]

getting kicked from groups for saying hi or not saying hi depending on the group is due to my lacking soft skills

[fair stirrup]

I think it’s mostly a pain in the ass till you’re doing 9’s and 10’s, and to a lesser extent 8’s. 9’snand 20’s are near insta-fill a lot of the time. 7’s is kinda behind the curve at this point for ppl taking M+ seriously

[fair stirrup]

9’s and 10’s are insta-fill*

[keen spruce]

maybe you were kicked cuz someone 400 io and 10ilvls higher than you signed up and the hi had nothing to do with it

[woven shore]

Had an 8 before and the tank joined first pack and then instantly left the group

[keen spruce]

probably

[woven shore]

What the actual fuck

[slate crown]

fuck it's so joever

[keen spruce]

more likely causal in the other direction

[runic hinge]

Things happen life goes on

Entropy comes for us all

[fair stirrup]

This is standard PUG behavior. It’s not the majority of cases. Just gotta take the L and keep on grinding

[keen spruce]

[cedar iron]

this is literally impossible to happen, was memeing anyway but keys feel a lot like league soloq this season

[woven shore]

Its just too exhausting dude

I aint got the mental for this dogshit every single fucking Season

[rain wraith]

join a guild

[woven shore]

Anymore

[rain wraith]

do keys with guild

[woven shore]

Didnt help

[feral mason]

make friends

[woven shore]

Sadly

[runic hinge]

Make friends

[sharp falcon]

wrong ability

[feral mason]

[woven shore]

I was praying to fix that problem with that

[rain wraith]

https://discord.gg/nopressureeu

[drifting cloud]

I was in random +9 pug and one of your guildies was queded on resto shaman alt, but promptly got declined

[woven shore]

How do i do that

[balmy condor]

yeah you tell that poser

[keen spruce]

purely pugging keys is just a horrible use of your time

[runic hinge]

Imagine being a cf and spreading misinformation

[keen spruce]

green name lying on the internet smh

[silk bane]

oh right yea the other one. still would be curious if it actually out performed it in 2 target. thanks for the correction though

[balmy condor]

slight spelling mistake by green armin

demoted back to blue armin

[silk bane]

its joever

[runic hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/abw-discord-jo-jo-a_bizarre_world-meme-gif-19188746

[balmy condor]

red armin getting promoted to orange armin to compensate

[subtle cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-the-pursuit-of-happyness-happiness-overwhelmed-gif-8777755

[feral mason]

These god damn greeners

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/you're-fired-j-jonah-jameson-spider-man-2-you're-no-longer-employed-columbia-pictures-100-gif-13669462618431915682

[silk bane]

armin stonks regardless

[marble hemlock]

hahaha come on and try

[woven shore]

This works for Us?

[woven shore]

I hate you
Gz

[fair stirrup]

Not me who ran 25 GB’s the the heroic skardyn’s, mostly pugs

[feral mason]

wish i could play on us servers for just a day

so i can feel good about eu

[drifting cloud]

be careful, its NA hours

[balmy condor]

I wonder if that's something I can override actually

[cedar iron]

i love using my time in the least effective way possible

[balmy condor]

or if they're hiding their secrets

one moment

[raven egret]

it took you only 25 runs!?!?!?

so unfair

[fair stirrup]

24 I think actually

[runic hinge]

There is no try

[woven shore]

Heroic?

[silk bane]

im busy overriding bp stuff and trying to see if i can make bp work with trickster no time for sin shenannigans

[keen spruce]

no no it's impossible to get invited to a single pug

[woven shore]

No problem lol

[feral mason]

I mean I hear NA people complain about the server constantly

[keen spruce]

they keep saying it

[silk bane]

i got this whispyr guy for that

[raven egret]

I'm way past 50 runs, never even saw it drops

[feral mason]

aint even me

[fair stirrup]

Ouchies

[feral mason]

I will not say how many runs it took for my trinkets seeing how yall struggled

[balmy condor]

oh my god I see a 3

[feral mason]

Keep it up itll drop next time

[balmy condor]

maybe I can override it

[cunning basin]

[woven shore]

Btw

[fair stirrup]

I know is /s, but for those who feel this way: focus on boosting your ilvl + IO, you’ll start getting into groups

[woven shore]

How do you guys gear up so fast

Im curious

[balmy condor]

do big content

[woven shore]

I feel like im making 0 gearing progress

[fair stirrup]

Spam mega, heroic raid with guild. Literally that’s it.

[cunning basin]

Run everything possible every week

[balmy condor]

90 crests injected into my veins every week

[tall cradle]

Yoo why is Wow Analyzer recommending this gameplay?

[slate crown]

get outa here go figure out if I'm pressing BP in ST for sure now

[fair stirrup]

Spam keys*

[prisma tundra]

gearing gets real fast once ur able to run 9s and 10s before that ur gonna be crawling

[silk bane]

0.5% gain now

[balmy condor]

cause it doesn't work

[slate crown]

[woven shore]

Raid?
Normal
7/8 heroic weekly
M+ 5-7 last weeks
Delves eeeeeehhh xd

[fair stirrup]

Get capped on gilded crests asap and use them as best boosts your DPS

[keen spruce]

yeah I always invested my first 1-2 weeks gooning as much gear and IO as possible. If you can get slightly ahead of the pack in either one your life gets infinitely easier

[silk bane]

trickster st stonks we arae so barak

[woven shore]

Are these the ones from 9s ?

[feral mason]

i got a 4man premade this season so havent been doing anything over 10 honestly

[keen spruce]

and you can leverage early IO to do the best boosts

[feral mason]

Not worth the hassle

[keen spruce]

and get the most gold

[feral mason]

will just send last few weeks

[fair stirrup]

Exactly. 622 ilvl ad 2.4k IO looks good on M+ LFG. I’ve even started getting invites into 10’s I haven’t timed, but have chested at 9

[feral mason]

No more push weeks will lead to crazy title rush though

[vast pond]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cedar iron]

you have a ~87% chance to get it in 50 runs cant be that much longer 🙂

[fair stirrup]

Yes. One easy way, is finding which is your highest success rate dungeon (dawn and mists are good for this), and spam them at 9

[keen spruce]

8x SMBG for half of the season

[woven shore]

I want to do 8s first for max level gear but either my key gets analfucked by people or i will get declined for 3hours straight until theres a group with 602 ilvl

[fair stirrup]

What’s the two main discord for selling boosts? The Collective is one I think?

[silk bane]

u underestimate my unluckiness

[drifting cloud]

what a tryhard doing 8 keys

[silk bane]

i am operating on luck levels, unheard of

[keen spruce]

I always did it with collective but dawn i htink is the other big one

[silk bane]

one time i /roll 1 and got a 2

im built diff

[fair stirrup]

Ty.

[feral mason]

tried selling boosts this season

One of the groups I got into was uh

not ideal to say the least

[subtle cipher]

I did like 13gb back to back

I hate me too

[feral mason]

people were worse than people you’d see in 20s in S3

Out of time boost so it didnt matter that much but

[fleet pagoda]

that's me right now. i'm playin like cheeks after solo queing to 3350 in season 3

[feral mason]

A boost taking 1h10 is crazy 😭

[balmy condor]

YOOOOOOOOOO @silk bane FOLLOW THE BLOOD BUFF IS CRAZY

[keen spruce]

AND the bonus of that is that if you're far enough ahead of hte pack doing like the titan or elite key boosts (w/e you call them). is that you meet a lot of top players. That's how I initially got introduced to a few higher title players and occasionally was able to squeeze into late night groups when main teams weren't around.

[cedar iron]

new dungeons, early season "tuning", overall harder dungeons

[keen spruce]

getting ahead early is big stonks

[woven shore]

Thats insane

[grim vigil]

yall using dawnthread or ascension

[cedar iron]

this sounds like 0.1%

[subtle cipher]

Btw they said anything about fixing deathstalker not consuming charges when darkest night is up?

[feral mason]

Dont think dungeon design has anything to do with “boosters” doing 800k overall

[balmy condor]

Follow the blood on 2 targets right now, is -3.7%

but get this, now it's -2% THE TALENT EXISTING ON TWO TARGETS DOESNT EVEN GET HALFWAY THERE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[cedar iron]

fair, then theyre just bad

[fleet pagoda]

it would take me like 6 hours of just waiting for invites to those

[fair stirrup]

At present, I’m guessing this is ppl around 2.6k+ with a few timed 11’s?

[feral mason]

The numbers on that talent already seem so high how would they even go about making it considerable

[subtle cipher]

There were a lot of groups doing them today, prob waited like 5min the most

[cedar iron]

if 3 -> 2 makes it 1.7% better, would it be positiv at 0 ruptures required

[silk bane]

WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK I KNEW IT

[balmy condor]

I mean the issue is that the choice node is legit "do you want CT + fok damage or CT damage"

if they make follow the blood good we just always play that

[harsh ingot]

guys im stupid, are these changes good?

[silk bane]

dont forget the fok cp

[waxen oyster]

is it weird that my highest success rate pug key is NW

[keen spruce]

i have no idea how RIO scaling works anymore or what they use. my last experience was s3

[feral mason]

Ye guess so

[waxen oyster]

Also what the heck is whisypr blaming me for

[keen spruce]

but probably something like that

doing like +12s this week I would imagine

maybe all 11s

[balmy condor]

NDA crafting technology

[feral mason]

I dont really see the whole point between the nodes though, feels like both were intended for aoe but one wasnt supposed to be

[waxen oyster]

wdym

im a law abiding citizen

[keen spruce]

it's cuz u stinky he just doesn't wanna hurt your feelings

go wash your but

butt

[feral mason]

[balmy condor]

did you know that follow the blood needs to go 60% to keep up with momentum?

[balmy condor]

legit they need to DOUBLE the talent

[feral mason]

we are reaching bp buff numbers

[balmy condor]

the thing is so dogshit

[feral mason]

[waxen oyster]

anyone else wish

we had a good hero tree

[feral mason]

They could’ve given the bleak powder 300% buff for hunter to black powder instead and armin would probably find a way for evis to still be better

[waxen oyster]

even dh’s non capstone

burning blade does like 15% dam

[feral mason]

It did double the damage on beta

[balmy condor]

they just gotta remove CT from momentum

[feral mason]

[balmy condor]

make momentum a fok node

[runic hinge]

I just wish the mark was a self buff instead of on target

[balmy condor]

and follow the blood a ct ndoe

[waxen oyster]

[waxen oyster]

Stop making sense

[feral mason]

Gotta change the flavor then though, too much work for blizz

[balmy condor]

cause like idk what the point of follow the blood is supposed to be

[feral mason]

My issue is like

[balmy condor]

as it stands right now it's awful until like 12 targets or something ridiculous

and then it's just okay

[cunning basin]

Nah self buff reflects how I feel in most of my pug keys

[soft surge]

ARE THE SIMS OUT YET

[balmy condor]

no

[cunning basin]

[cedar iron]

i understand marking yourself for death, but seems like a wierd feature in a videogame

[feral mason]

They are both aoe talents that serve the same purpose

[balmy condor]

yah

[silk bane]

choice node for sub vs sin is my guess. follow the blood would have been better for sub but it doesnt work on shadowed finishers sokekw

[feral mason]

Make one of the two more st focused or somethin

[orchid cedar]

looking at the pins, even considering the better proc chance to be a minimun, is still a buff in AOE?

[balmy condor]

they do the same thing but momentum just does it bette

[balmy condor]

yes

[feral mason]

or build focused at the very least

1 bleed 1 poison / execute or whatever

[waxen oyster]

real question

[balmy condor]

oh shit

[waxen oyster]

why is fatal intent worthless

[balmy condor]

none of that fake shit

fatal intent number bad

[strange python]

Hi, about echoing reprimant. It says my 4th Combo Point works Like i have 7, but If i accidently Go Higher than 4, will it still apply ?

[cunning basin]

Wym it's like .2% of my DPS that's CRAZY dam

[balmy condor]

no

[strange python]

Dayum

[balmy condor]

it's getting changed in november though

[strange python]

You need PhD for playing rogue

Thx

[orchid cedar]

but ER now feels good 😦

gonna miss it

[balmy condor]

it's really not that complicated of a class

95% of the complexity is people overcomplicating it like shit

[orchid cedar]

will we still use the updated ER?

[balmy condor]

dunno

[orchid cedar]

i guess so

[cunning basin]

Build spend that how me play

[feral mason]

15cp finishers on law/sub

I will be there

[orchid cedar]

i don't think CB would be better than ER

or double vanish

[cunning basin]

15 CP finishers

[lament stump]

we need to stop abbreviating combo points

[waxen oyster]

even corrupt the blood has more use

[balmy condor]

it's for sure better than double vanish

cb idk

cb is kinda okay

[cunning basin]

P sure 1/2 points in Lethality has more use lmao

[feral mason]

Chris Brown

[cunning basin]

HUH

[orchid cedar]

cb with deathstalker? eww

[lament stump]

his ST is insane

[cunning basin]

HUHHHHHHH

[spice surge]

Lethality is good

[cunning basin]

Hell yeah it is

[waxen oyster]

honestly

[cunning basin]

Fatal intent tho... Sadge

[balmy condor]

I forgot about chris browns st but then remembered the weakest link

and yeh

[waxen oyster]

ER change is gonna hurt most for outlaw players

who use it as a bandaid to hide terrible resource gen

on one of their builds

[lament stump]

def a sub main

[cunning basin]

[feral mason]

wait

wym the weakest link

[balmy condor]

chris brown diss track

against quavo

[feral mason]

oh

i thought you were interpreting st as selftitled for a second

and not as the actual joke

im cooked

[balmy condor]

chris went crazy on that shit dude

[pallid bough]

Ya he kinda did

LMAO

[balmy condor]

Crazy how when he died everybody really wished it was you instead

is just

diabolical

[pallid bough]

even ended with “got bodied by a singing …. (Word that my skin color cannot say)”

[lament stump]

i cant listen to old diss tracks anymore im spoiled by drill music

[balmy condor]

yeah

[pallid bough]

That ending was hard

[balmy condor]

or like the whole thing with him fucking quavos girl

[pallid bough]

Ngl

Yeah

[balmy condor]

[lament stump]

drill disses are the most disrespectful ever

[pallid bough]

Fucking

What’s her name?

Saweetie

[balmy condor]

yeah

[pallid bough]

Yeah

He even did some crazy flow with it too

Sweet tea etc

Or some shit

[balmy condor]

[feral mason]

ima actually read a guide tomorrow

[west crown]

Estimation on ST damage increase with changes?

[balmy condor]

pins

[lament stump]

4% or someth

[balmy condor]

:))))))))))))))))

[lament stump]

pinm

[velvet forge]

read pin

[feral mason]

Been freestyling these last few weeks of assa

Minus the opener

[rain mortar]

We blassstin

[feral mason]

gotta lock in

[strange python]

What u think, will i be significantly more Bad when i dropp echoing reprimant and Put the Point in the second Point of lethality?

[desert vault]

!macro

[lament stump]

im telling you we need a role badge that is the check the pins emote orsometh

every msg should have the pin emote

[balmy condor]

doesn't help

[urban raft]

Friend resubbed and just hitted 80, he's not doing raid exclusively M+. Assa rogue, which embelishments should he craft? He's probably crafting a weapon cuz he has no gear. So ascension + nerubian patch or ascension + dawnthread?

[lament stump]

gg

[feral mason]

Nah man the chat description still says theres dragonflight info in the pins

[balmy condor]

I renamed the channel to "read pins" during beta at one point and it did nothing

[urban raft]

or just go double dawnthread and no ascension

[feral mason]

These people want TWW information

[cinder bone]

treacherous transmitter pretty good this week since it's 130m cd

[feral mason]

Fix description

[keen spruce]

@balmy condor is moroes still drunk

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[keen spruce]

yes

is this happening because of !resTEAlths?

is moroes that goofy

or did someone just woopsies

[dapper cradle]

even though the stealth thing doesn't matter on paper

tab target rupture is hell

carnage my love

[feral mason]

aaaa

[keen spruce]

could use mouseover

[balmy condor]

yes

[dapper cradle]

????

[balmy condor]

tea ain't a command

[keen spruce]

so it tries to be smart?

that's kinda what i figured

[urban raft]

Friend resubbed and just hitted 80, he's not doing raid exclusively M+. Assa rogue, which embelishments should he craft? He's probably crafting a weapon cuz he has no gear. So ascension + nerubian patch or ascension + dawnthread? Or just double dawnthread no ascension? Sorry I'm asking again

[keen spruce]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[feral mason]

my pet peeve for the last month

YOO SAVED

[keen spruce]

can't wait till they change it to Legion

damn

[feral mason]

Now nobody will ignore pins again

[keen spruce]

surly

[dapper cradle]

oh shit pog change

is the pin description change a nerf or a buff?

[feral mason]

it is an adjustment

[velvet forge]

need a pin pin

[feral mason]

just start calling all balance changes adjustments

No matter bad or good

[dapper cradle]

3rd wave of fury adjustments

[feral mason]

no for fury we say nerfs

Gutting even

[runic hinge]

Adjust your attitude

[feral mason]

nothing can adjust my attitude to fury warriors

[hallow sky]

Guys this is a sim of a shadow priest and an assas rogue and as a shadow priest i came in here to try and understand why you guys to so much dmg in m+. This a for 5 targets. Can someone explain?

[balmy condor]

our aoe is good

[keen spruce]

Blizzard made us do more damage

[dapper cradle]

good tuning bro

it's literally that simple

[feral mason]

5min aoe sim is uh

[runic hinge]

I’m leveling one right now and I can feel my brain leaking out. I love it. No need for a brain anymore

[hallow sky]

Having 1 mil difference seems unbalanced as hell and simming the top shadow priest gives pretty much the same number

[fringe oxide]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hallow sky]

What is blizzard doing man

[dapper cradle]

lmao now go sim a fdk

[desert vault]

I have a weak aura from Dragonflight, the one tracks your damage during DM+KB window, I'm like 615, was just trying to see what is a good number to see for damage during that window?

[keen spruce]

wait until you look at the different hunter specs

BM is like 45% behind MM in AoE

[hallow sky]

I did

[feral mason]

shadow is really not that bad lmao

[dapper cradle]

shadow is getting some super fat buffs

[keen spruce]

also 5t 5m is a goofy sim

[feral mason]

probably forgot to update sim APL

or something

[keen spruce]

when the hell are you hitting 5t for 5m

[dapper cradle]

inb4 it's gonna be aug, fdk, shadow priest

[hallow sky]

And it sims 2.6 mil

[feral mason]

shadow tc’s are gooblers according to my sp main bud

[midnight mist]

why are you even simming 5 targets

to determine

whats good in m+

or not

[feral mason]

zac

[dapper cradle]

5 target sim is based

[midnight mist]

im sure outlaw destroys sin in that sim

[dapper cradle]

the outlaw sim

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Do outlaw next

[hallow sky]

What should i sim then

[midnight mist]

nothing

we dont do sims

to determine how good a spec is

lol

[runic hinge]

We feel craft

[midnight mist]

thats not how it works really

[waxen oyster]

zac, just realized something

[slate crown]

The aura is mostly meant to compare yourself to your previous self, not to others. I'm only 610 and I maybe normally am at like 24M on the window in ST? maybe 25 with low raid buffs. Mostly I've been playing sub so I don't have as good of a context on it

[hallow sky]

I am bringing this here cause assass rogues always top my meters in keys

[waxen oyster]

contract doesnt hit bloodbound

[hallow sky]

There has to be a reason why

[waxen oyster]

at all

[dapper cradle]

sim outlaw on >8 targets

[feral mason]

Communicate thyne shit compatriot 🗣️

[keen spruce]

well there aren't sims to compare classes or specs generally in m+. and sim numbers aren't what make specs good in m+

but we use dungeon slice to determine our gearing

[feral mason]

Yeah but with that you are comparing your own class to itself

[chilly canopy]

just play what you like, its not that hard imo

[feral mason]

Comparing it to a different class/spec is a whole other thing

That sims arent good for

Sims are a tool to figure out a class’ own gear and rotation but not much else

[midnight mist]

ye

the reason is

assa is op

thats why it just got buffed also

[runic hinge]

So is outlaw

That’s why it got buffed

[cobalt sphinx]

Frost mage sims higher than all classes on 5 min patchwerk

Is frost the best spec in the game

[midnight mist]

ye probably

[feral mason]

True vrgl told me outlaw is broken op but its just bad

[runic hinge]

I’mma try it soon and ask for help

[hallow sky]

I am not basing this off just sims only, im using sims to try and understand why assas rogues do so good in my detail meters in m+

[midnight mist]

sims are useless

[keen spruce]

The same reason any class does more damage that other classes

[midnight mist]

assa top details

[hallow sky]

All im doing here is try and figure it out if im bad or it's a balancing issue

[midnight mist]

because it does more damage

[midnight mist]

both

[keen spruce]

I mean you should ask the priest discord if you think you're doing bad

[feral mason]

If you put a good sp player on dummies rn with all those raid buffs

[quartz osprey]

okay this just feels like we are getting away with too much xD

[feral mason]

He is also doing 3mil

like sims just arent always correct all it is

[balmy condor]

why blizzard make number big?

[violet berry]

Does iron wire only apply to the initial garrote or all for 6 sec with IC

[balmy condor]

6

[violet berry]

Ok

[balmy condor]

shrouded/iron wire are extensions of improved garrote

so they inherit the timer

[feral mason]

Its the time with improved garrote up (same as IC in this case)

[violet berry]

Trying to see how that’s better than double shiv

[feral mason]

ye what whisp said

[balmy condor]

double shiv is pointless

awful talent

[violet berry]

30% increased poison tho

[balmy condor]

yeah for the first part of your kingsbane

pog

legit zdps in aoe

[meager aspen]

Hi ,excuse me, first message here. I came after Whispyr .5 patch note video and he's saying "master assassin 12s" when talking about new subterfuge. Isn't it 3s + 6s = 9s ?

[spice surge]

To the target you apply it to for the first half of kingsbane ye

[balmy condor]

subterfuge is 2 points

[violet berry]

Ok true

[quartz osprey]

Really? isn't that the talents in the wowhead guide?

[balmy condor]

in m+? I'd fucking hope not

[quartz osprey]

yikers thats whats ive been running

[meager aspen]

ok i'm gonna to change my underwear thanks

[spice surge]

Double shiv is not in the wowhead builds

[violet berry]

Ya I guess I see the benefit but I’m surprised even if it’s a small damage gain, it’s not being used with how much people love to min max

[balmy condor]

lowkey pressing shiv outside of kingsbane isn't even worth it

[violet berry]

Especially when the alternative isn’t a damage gain at all

[spice surge]

Well the "no damage" is worth a lot more

[glass relic]

Lowkey bro?

[balmy condor]

iron wire is the single strongest utility talent in the entire game lmao

[spice surge]

Because it makes the mobs stop casting for 6 seconds

[quartz osprey]

I think I just grabbed the hybrid build at some point and never changed it and it had lightweight shiv

[balmy condor]

hybrid never had lightweight

you put that there yourself

[vale maple]

Say there's a 6 elite pack in an M+, do you guys do the triple garrote/rupture -> crimson tempest open, or is it better to cut a few garrotes/rups and get splatter up sooner for cleve

[quartz osprey]

well anyway good to know now

[violet berry]

Someone had it somewhere because a lot of people where using it

Maybe wow head fucked up for a bit idk

[balmy condor]

I ain't saying who could've promoted the idea of dropping iron wire

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

you would gar gar rup rup and then get up spatter/ct

[keen spruce]

2 garr 2 rup covers the whole pack

[violet berry]

Is it worth using your refunded on rupture again and not tempest tho?

[keen spruce]

if you change targets

[violet berry]

I never know

[spice surge]

Honestly the CT part of the opener feels kinda bad to me, wish i could just go straight into spattering for a better "flow"

[subtle cipher]

Follow the blood still shit?

[violet berry]

That second rupture just feels meh

[spice surge]

But it is what it is

[spice surge]

You need your scent of blood stacks up

[keen spruce]

what if fan applies Caustic and caustic applies CT

[drifting cloud]

Eleem not playing sub in keys? youve changed

[spice surge]

+8% agility

[violet berry]

Ok true

[spice surge]

I played more assa than sub during s3 too

[dapper cradle]

does the CTTC change work out to any % buff?

[violet berry]

Ya I’m trolling

[dapper cradle]

since we have a free global

[violet berry]

Too much shit to keep up with

[keen spruce]

it works out to ~1 global buff

[drifting cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-angry-cat-gif-24485804

[keen spruce]

[subtle cipher]

Already nerfed spatter, bastards

[vale maple]

does anything change here if you have darkest night buff up on a new pack? you still open the same way and just get to the max CP envenom when you get to it?

[keen spruce]

maybe a little more

[subtle cipher]

Yes

[spice surge]

Blizzardman just makes assa number higher than sub, what can i say

[vernal shadow]

Sorry for the 3 hour later pint , where is this from?

[spice surge]

But also, assa in keys is fun

Killing big prio mobs before the smallies next to them because your prio is cracked is neat

[frail forge]

Bubbling Wax still have all the other bugs or were those fixed as well?

[vale maple]

Assa feels very layered and fun right now, but it does feel a bit bad seeing rets faceroll every pack and having much easier time unlocking their dam lol

[slate crown]

this is very underhanded upper hand coded of you

[keen spruce]

ok what if just fan applies caustic to main target

[vale maple]

that would be swell

[subtle cipher]

How follow the blood change does nothing, follow the blood is sexy 😦

[cobalt sphinx]

Shadowpriest is also dog and is getting its 9th round of buffs

[spice surge]

Doesnt really have to go that far, i just feel like 2x garrotes+2x ruptures+mark+spatter is enough setup and the CT feels extraneous

[subtle cipher]

Kinda decent on raids

[spice surge]

But obviously it does good damage and is worth it numerically

[vale maple]

Is CT worth it over splatter envenoms sending sooner?

i guess on big enough packs no doubt

[subtle cipher]

Spatter

Then ct

[vale maple]

ah

[keen spruce]

spatter and CT do feel like they're working at odds with eachother sometimes

[balmy condor]

if you need to ambush you ambush, if you don't, you don't

[subtle cipher]

They mentioned anything, anywhere about fixing mark not being consumed when dn is up?

[balmy condor]

no

[prisma tundra]

is ambush or garrote best opener single target if u have the buff to apply mark with envenom

[subtle cipher]

Bastards

[balmy condor]

if you need to ambush you ambush, if you don't, you don't

[hallow bobcat]

better Ironclaw Whetstone or Bubbling Wax for m+ ?

[balmy condor]

whetstone

wax is the cheap option

[prisma tundra]

do u envenom mark before the rupture then or still rupture first combo point attack

and just rupture with no mark up

[balmy condor]

you'd technically envenom first

but like you're just shuffling 1 gcd around

super doesn't matter

just get up your stuff and press cds

[frail forge]

Hey whispyr you know if the other bugs on wax were fixed or still there?

[balmy condor]

it'll be aight

[subtle cipher]

Very rarely the mark doesnt get applied on the third Gb boss

Super annoying

[balmy condor]

it was doing like 0.3% of my damage in keys but it survived the full length of the key so idk

[vital dragon]

is it only blindside that give us random ambush charges btw?

[balmy condor]

yes

[frail forge]

kk thanks boss!

[vital dragon]

thanks whispyr 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[vital dragon]

Learning assa cause outlaw BTE Bug is tilting me

[balmy condor]

ain't much better here champ

[vital dragon]

atleast I dont have a fake cooldown up <.<

[strange python]

You have to consume it from the p1 dude and not reapply it before he jumps on the dragon, hit adds or something

[subtle cipher]

I mean with vanish

[prisma tundra]

ye i just save vanish for applying it to dragon

[subtle cipher]

I always vanish

[uncut ermine]

@balmy condor did you talk about the Oct 8 changes in here yet?

[vale maple]

I just need something to help with tanks chain pulling and not letting me restealth between packs

[subtle cipher]

But sometimes doesnt work lol

[balmy condor]

pins

[prisma tundra]

the boss dies way too slowly in my experience if i just stop hitting it after 3 cp attacks

[south prawn]

Also for mists first boss u need to make sure u have DN before tree boss goes friendly otherwise its gg if u dont have vanish

[dawn heath]

Why did we get nerfed but not frost dk is beyond me

[prisma tundra]

ye the mark is so aids sometimes lol

[midnight mist]

you got buffed silly !

[subtle cipher]

Or be a troll and keep it on the boss

[blazing pumice]

it's not really a nerf

[subtle cipher]

[dawn heath]

How big is the aoe nerf

[south prawn]

Other save vanish to re apply or use finishing moves without proccing DN (6 combo points, etc)

[blazing pumice]

not big

[vale maple]

I'd rather the single targ dam tbh-- definitely lacking there

[tall cradle]

my ST in keys sucks holy shit

[prisma tundra]

ye i just use vanish

[vale maple]

yeah the keys build is so rough on ST dam

[subtle cipher]

Imo they are fine

[arctic hare]

Do yall still have that video saying that stealth results in a miniscule amount of overall damage comparatively to chainpulling?

or has that changed?

[slate crown]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slate crown]

I don't have a video but I have a drunk bot ^

[vale maple]

I mean it's not just the dam, they're losing all the aoe silence/DR from iron wire no?

[keen spruce]

just not that important

[prisma tundra]

i cant convince my team to chain pull anyway so i get stealth every pull almost lol

[cobalt sphinx]

And like 10 globals fanning and rupturing

[dawn heath]

Right but it is a aoe nerf

[spice surge]

No

[dawn heath]

And a st gain

[cinder bone]

sin has good burst in keys too

[spice surge]

Read the pin

[subtle cipher]

As a alt tank doing 11 when a sin rogue applies iron wire on 5-6 mobs the dif is HUGE

[dawn heath]

It said in the pin it was a aoe nerf

[subtle cipher]

Far from not important

[midnight mist]

there is a lot of words in that pin tbf

i dont blame the guy

i stopped at the title

[spice surge]

That is not what it says.

[dawn heath]

Read bottm part

[midnight mist]

no idea what this metric thing is

[cobalt sphinx]

Caustic is nerfed yes

[midnight mist]

im american

[cobalt sphinx]

But the idea is that the buffs make up for that nerf

[spice surge]

+3% to aoe in the top part
-1.5% to aoe in the bottom part

[blazing pumice]

so what you're saying is, the class is dead

[subtle cipher]

Yes

[cobalt sphinx]

Where does the 3% aoe buff come from? Thrombotic uptime?

[subtle cipher]

Reroll fdk

[azure flare]

the buffs make up for that nerf till we lose the tierset

[vale maple]

So lets say tank is chain pulling and you're moving to a new pack, no vanish up-- is prio just FOK->Rupture 2-3 mobs and then resume normal splatter cleaving?

[keen spruce]

somethin like that

maybe more ruptures

sometimes less

[spice surge]

More uptime and more damage with most of the damage that gets spattered

[subtle cipher]

Fok, rupture, spatter, more ruptures, ct

[azure flare]

ruptures till 20% buff

then caustic prio

[vale maple]

Got it.. thanks for the info all. seems i need to track my rupture agi buff a bit better

[woeful galleon]

what fighting style should I sim for m+ on raidbot

for top gear

[azure flare]

honestly for topgear I always do ST

[slate crown]

dungeon slice is fine for us

[woeful galleon]

i was always told its bad

[slate crown]

Raidbots says it varies class by class

For rogue, it is good.

I think raidbots also says to ask class discords if it's good for your class

And here you are asking, and here I am telling you it's good for us

[woeful galleon]

like it says candle is best for me right now but like I dont feel it when i use it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vvxTDKedPYRm5hSrsPsC5Y

[grim vigil]

is playing queens mandate trolling in m+? i mean i dont really have anything else beside skardyns. it crits for 14 milli tho

[subtle cipher]

Candle wasnt bad

[woeful galleon]

i thought void reapers contract better tho

[blazing pumice]

what don't you feel

how do you feel crit rating

[spice surge]

Its a proc that does mostly singletarget damage, its going to be worse on aoe

Compared to something that just gives you stat

[woeful galleon]

kiss of death always felt better but doesnt sim better

[balmy condor]

okay but 3 -1.5 is ᚳᚲᚱᚦᚷ

so

checkmate

[blazing pumice]

again, how do you feel a trinket

it either does more damage or it does less

[spice surge]

Bro bringing out the fuþark

[woeful galleon]

by results in keys

[blazing pumice]

you can't tell results in keys from trinkets which have a <1% impact

[dawn heath]

Are new sims out yet or we just guesstimating

[balmy condor]

guesstimating off logs

literally says it right in the pin

[slate crown]

You can probably feel a trinket that has a cast time because you stop pressing buttons during it but not because of any numbers that's it that's all I got

[spice surge]

But also conceptually a 10% buff to most things that spatter offsets a 10% nerf to spatter itself

Assuming it works like theyve said it should

[balmy condor]

10% buff to envenom, which is doing around what caustic is doing

makes sense to me

[drifting cloud]

something something cut to the chase - whispyr 2021

[dawn heath]

Dont touch my spatter:(

[balmy condor]

I'm honestly impressed that they didn't nerf it more

spatter could've easily gone to 35 or even 30

[lapis stream]

What are the best trinkets now ?

[dawn heath]

Well frost dk wasnt nerfed so

[balmy condor]

good thing is the rogue discord

[spice surge]

Very few things were nerfed

[balmy condor]

why do I care about fdk

[spice surge]

This is a mostly a buff pass

[drifting cloud]

didnt they hit BM kinda hard

[spice surge]

Ye, hence the "mostly"

[drifting cloud]

[keen spruce]

[vale maple]

I like these changes a lot. really needed the ST help

[balmy condor]

I'm doing more damage next week than I did this week

nice

[drifting cloud]

last time I got buffs was right before sark prog, decent timing this time around aswell ig

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[digital sigil]

If my damage goes up and I don't read patch notes it obviously means I'm playing better than last week

[young dust]

all these changes are coming this tuesday?

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

if my damage goes up and I'm dooming that spatter got nerfed and the spec is dead, I'm actually just goated assa player who succeeds in the face of adversity

[vale maple]

Quick q-- single target raid scenario, need 1 CP to reach my darkest night envenom, is it better to FOK or muti for that 1 CP

[digital sigil]

Real

[balmy condor]

mut

[balmy condor]

why

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

[subtle cipher]

Why not

[keen spruce]

[spring sigil]

We got buffed 👀

[balmy condor]

true actually

[strange python]

As a deathstalker i Always Open with ambush , even in aoe scenarios?

[normal mist]

yes

always

Otherwise you dont have a hero talent

[azure flare]

not always

[vale maple]

except if you have DN up, right?

[azure flare]

if u have the buff you don't have to

so ideally its only once and then you keep the buff rolling

[normal mist]

Im assuming the opener

of a dungeon/boss

[azure flare]

just clarrifying incase he perma opens with ambush with the buff up lol

[normal mist]

otherwise with DN up you just consume it using env 7cp

[strange python]

do you think im extremely much worse If i Go for lethality 2/2 instead of echoing reprimant ?

[red bloom]

I’m rerolling back, we still want 34% crit?

[azure flare]

sim your gear

no such thing as x or y stat

[normal mist]

i think you lose QoL

like

[young dust]

if you end up losing your mark on a fight like silken court, you want to vanish>ambush again as well

[normal mist]

BIG QoL

[untold snow]

@red bloom are we frost mage now or what?