assassination

[ember hinge]

Can anyone explain the talent Flensing Knives ? As far as I can tell, it used to be a thing in Deathstalker but isnt there anymore but when I checked some logs earlier tonight, to see what other rogues did better than me, I saw a a guy who still had it listed. What gives ?

[sturdy python]

is there a resource that says which mechanics we can cloak in raid somewhere? Or can I assume if its magic damage I'll survive it no matter what

[earnest remnant]

its a bug with the cloak duration deathstalker talent

[sturdy python]

just trying to eek out the last juices of dps I can on some bosses lol

[earnest remnant]

enable that and you get flensing knives

[ember hinge]

wtf

[drifting cloud]

keeping that resource up to date was alot of work that most people dont want to do so you just gotta figurte it out yourself or ask

but yeah you cant assume youll always survive if its magic dmg

[sturdy python]

yeah I hear that

guess I can go troll in LFR and note it down

[drifting cloud]

especially with how we had it in previous xpacs where feint just worked on stuff it shouldnt and other way around

atleast cloak is generally alot more straight forward

[sturdy python]

yeah makes sense, ty man

[grizzled ember]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hallow pelican]

does anyone have a screenshot of that layout? ive always been very much anti - addons

[grim vigil]

does anyone want to earn 10k gold for 1 min of his time, i have a question about 2 builds

[vagrant brook]

how unlucky is 43 GB runs with no trinket guys

[drifting cloud]

its alot more likely than you think unfort

because of the 11 item loot table (10 if youre outlaw iirc)

blizz really needs to stop doing this shit and just fix the loot tables when they bring back old shit

just remove a cloak or a ring

[fleet pagoda]

probably doesn't need two chest pieces too

[hallow pelican]

ask mages about the bracers from Mechagon in BfA before you say more

[silent drift]

when running sanguine blades, how much different of gameplay is it in ST vs not running it. Just sit above 50% energy?

[subtle cipher]

the dif between radiant power and authority on m+/raid are too big?

[zinc willow]

hows wax compare to sharpening stones?

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[shadow badger]

do the same rules for wax still apply

only 1 and reequip when you die?

[left sundial]

They should fix this bullshit its not nrg anymore

[hallow pelican]

Ive always argued for a system where you could spend those 6 tokens u get out of a dogshit vault to eliminate certain items from your characters loot pool. How many fucking times do I need to NOT pick Raals bib for it not to appear again?

[noble garden]

Guys, why play assassination?

[real otter]

Can you shadowstep the rashanan webs or do u fuck the raid?

[hallow pelican]

you can but the raid still takes the damage from them snapping so as long as youre staggering, have at it

[serene solar]

why play rogue is the real question and we are all just vibin

[hallow pelican]

ive already got significant loot on my rogue this tier but personally, Id rather be raiding on my DK

[serene solar]

Rogue just feels undertuned. Triple DPS spec in the lower bracket of damage overall feels bad. I just want to be stronk

[hallow pelican]

I just dont feel like the Dev team plays certain classes... or that the better players play the new shit. Look how many tuning changes monk has had over the last 5 tiers compared to the others. Compared to say ... Paladin

[serene solar]

Yeah I don't enjoy "dooming" but eh... I just want some love on rogue

[arctic socket]

Look at shadow priest

[cunning urchin]

!GUIDE

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[royal lantern]

?

monk got many well recieved changes for a longer time now and only brewmaster is in a somewhat weird spot (1 of the few specs where "button bloat" is an actual real thing)

and ret paladin was ignored for a long long long LONG time, yes its a bit frustraiting to see other things get changes while you wait, but Paladin is not a Peak example for "many changes" when thats a more recent thing after years of Paladin often getting ignored

[hallow pelican]

I was comparing the many changes of monk to the LACK of changes in paladin

[vale lantern]

alright @balmy condor i got a queen kill where i finally lived sadly only a 90 obviously i have room to improve mind taking a look?

[arctic socket]

Post it here

[royal lantern]

i dont think he takes a log that says "i got only a 90" seriously

[magic fossil]

ofc sweetheart, post here

oops its a guy

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-place-idk-i-dont-know-confused-sorry-gif-13919623910708187199

[torn atlas]

What odd behaviour

[strange python]

30 runs of grim batol no trinket.... Using transmitter as discount skardyns and it feels so bad in keys

[arctic socket]

Such a kind soul

[vale lantern]

only a 90 has room for improvement

[runic hinge]

Pally got a rework in df and has a rework coming in like a month

[vale lantern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8JbHn6r49mP2DVTR#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=149

[runic hinge]

Here’s how you parse higher on heroic queen

[thorn fjord]

Do more damage?

[runic hinge]

Have 7 buyers die immediately and hard pad on adds

[vale lantern]

ahh okay so more add damage

[twin hull]

this new affix has me in splits man...keeps desyncin my trinkets and kbs shiv windows..
how do u ppl deal with it?

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Tell everyone else in your raid no cleaving

Wear two passive trinkets and then they can’t desync

[twin hull]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-ventura-jim-carrey-sarcastic-gif-27361397

[strange python]

i took off my on use trinket

and jusf send kb on cd

line up dm when u can

i only have transmitter anyway. I feel transmitter beats passive trinket even in keys for other weeks but eith this desync... Idk

im using sac/contract atm feel good

i saw good assa dungeon logs with em

[hard river]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[novel dock]

what should i get as a assin
Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife or Sikran's Endless Arsenal
both heroic... I got mythic cloak too but its vert>crit 😛

[spice surge]

If you use transmitter its always going to be ready for your deathmark

[runic hinge]

Yea but then you’re using transmitter

[arctic bramble]

been pick pocketing for the last 10min and didnt get any wax 😦

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[spice surge]

Make sure you've done the pre-quest, linked here #subtlety message

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[arctic bramble]

o

[crude anvil]

how are people using cds on broodtwister?

saving for first set of adds or does it line up later with adds if you use on pull?

just started pulling him

[spice surge]

Send on cd

[crude anvil]

ty thats what I assumed just wasnt sure

[shadow badger]

is venoms dead a majority of these top parses are not playing it

[crude anvil]

venoms?

[dusty zenith]

Was literally looking at wow head raid talents and they all use vicious venoms

[shadow badger]

Vicious venoms

[dusty zenith]

I feel it doesn’t perform that well

[crude anvil]

havent seen many people using it

I dont personally like it, makes energy feel a lot worse

[shadow badger]

im looking at sikran parses rn as we are about to enter it and the top like 20 people are not using it then it starts to pick up

which makes me believe that its not performing like people thought it would

[still pewter]

How many envenoms is a good KB cast

Still pooling or we just full send?

[dusty zenith]

Full send during kb

[blazing pumice]

pool for shiv, not kb

[shadow badger]

@balmy condor do you have any insight as to the shift off of vicious venoms?

[fickle lotus]

finally got into a mythic progging guild and was able to join for first 3 bosses and managed to get a avg parse of 91 i'm so happy 😭

[crude anvil]

gzgz

[gentle apex]

do we pool energy for envenom update during CDs or full send and dump

[dull cloak]

This week affix desyncing trinket is kinda annoying

[fickle lotus]

full send

[fickle lotus]

macro into KB

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fickle lotus]

The reason why people do not take VV is because they are running the shrouded/imp garrote build as it currently is the "best" build for dmg atm, the reason why people take the VV build is because it's slightly easier to play and allows the usage of vanish to fix lost deathstalkers marks rather than for damage with the shrouded build

Sorry for the yap

[twin hull]

So how does the bubbling wax work? right click it to apply it to both weapons? or still only on Main hand? and whetstone of OH? and it says lasts until cancelled..?

[onyx rock]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[shadow badger]

makes sense

[balmy condor]

Pins

Oh I guess maybe not

Pin disappeared

Mark is bugged so imp gar better

If bug fixed, vv better

Imp gar atm is like 0.3% better

[shadow badger]

ahhhhhhhhhh that clears it up

[fickle lotus]

oh god mark is bugged now what happened

[shadow badger]

yeah thats why i asked i didnt see a pin or anything people just started playing the new build

[nimble tartan]

some guy played master assassin on kyveza thats a chad move didnt know it was good!

[balmy condor]

Can’t consume marks while darkest night is up

[shadow badger]

oh so you wanna use darkest as soon as possible

[spice surge]

Its bugged since the ER fix

[balmy condor]

Well you wanted to do that already

[shadow badger]

oh.....

[balmy condor]

But you can’t vanish->ambush during darkest night to get a mark up

Cause that doesn’t do anything anymore

[fickle lotus]

ooooo yeah nvm i know about that one :/

[shadow badger]

wtf

[exotic rose]

Hey Whispyr, do the sims reflect the bug or assume the bug doesn't exist?

[chilly spear]

Im new to sin, today I was doing okay damage but caustic spatter was like my fourth most damage. Im only 2pc, am I probably doing something wrong that I can look out for?

[balmy condor]

Reflect the bug

[balmy condor]

Probably not slamming enough envenoms into your caustic/marked target

[twin hull]

So how does the bubbling wax work? right click it to apply it to both weapons? or still only on Main hand? and whetstone of OH? and it says lasts until cancelled..? srry just saw the pin..so..wanted to clarify..

[balmy condor]

Who knows

[glacial scroll]

are you all macroing /use 13 on skardyns? and if so are you spamming the DM or just hitting it once? I found today that hitting it would use skardyns, but not DM

but we had 30 ppl in raid and it was a bit laggy

[balmy condor]

Sometimes gotta hit it twice yeah

[glacial scroll]

alright tyvm

[main blaze]

I put it on mouse scroll so it always goes off

spin to win

[glacial scroll]

lol

[coral ibex]

yall aren't mashers?

[glacial scroll]

i usually spam pretty hard but I guess my opener 2 min i try to just be precise, followed by 2 mins of spam

still gitting gud xD

[scarlet wyvern]

2m overall in NW+11 and still not timed lol

i hate this dungeon to the core of my veins

[arctic tusk]

what we thinking for ovinax build after nerfs

@balmy condor

https://tenor.com/view/hd-smirk-gif-7206957141966421326

[balmy condor]

The same build as before

[arctic tusk]

this yeah?

[runic hinge]

Maybe tight spender

Depending on how much you think you’re gonna Fok

[static glacier]

I thought about it but 6% env energy cost is a fake number

[past bobcat]

on brood are we saving cds for 20s to pop with 620 lust?

[static glacier]

I think it saves 3 energy per env

[runic hinge]

True but you’re also pressing ct. idk. I’m just riffing

[static glacier]

I thought about it

but then looked at finisher energy costs and was like hell nah

[runic hinge]

I don’t think either one is hugely impactful

[static glacier]

idk how much of a loss it is in the st portions to drop the extra cp on ambush

[glacial crypt]

No

[runic hinge]

Like if you’re playing around enough aoe to take thrown precision and ct then why take the single target talent over there

[twin hull]

any1 struggling with boss dmg in m+...? like single target dmg...im around 700 to 850k in a 10 ~ 11 while the frost dk and frost mage are 1.2m and 1m

[static glacier]

im fairly sure both thrown precision and ct are st gains for ovi

thrown precision is a 100% deffo st increase, ct might be a bit more finnicky based on add uptime

[runic hinge]

Right but you’re taking thrown precision to make Fok better which means you’re pressing mut less which means less blindside which makes imp ambush worse

[static glacier]

indeed

tbh ill try tight spender in tomorrow's rraid

[drifting cloud]

ok nerd

[runic hinge]

Look I’m not even gonna see the fight on mythic so idk why I care

[earnest remnant]

if you dont loose out on a cast yes

[hard river]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[split grail]

So without shrouded does vanish have a dps use?

Sorry I meant improved garrote

[slate crown]

Recovering a lost mark

[balmy condor]

Yeah, can take tight spender or imp gar, not a huge difference

[arctic tusk]

imp gar over what

[split grail]

You should only lose a mark during like intermissions and stuff, right?

[slate crown]

Yes

It's not a rotational dps button, it's emergency recovery

[split grail]

Cool, I never really looked into hero talents and just did was I was told

[cursive frost]

is it worth the secondary stat loss to use an amber gem with the meta gem?

for the bonus

[pastel pine]

Does Dead-eye spyglass suck or is there a reason it did not proc for 3:15 into a fight?

[boreal pond]

On fights where losing a mark is near impossible, is it better to use vanish to trigger imp garrote during your pull after your initial garrote fades during death mark window, or save it for next death mark window to have imp garrote for almost the whole 2nd duration.

[balmy condor]

No

It’s arguable if it’s worth using the meta gem at all

[cursive frost]

tyty

[slate crown]

my statement only applies if you aren't using imp garrote

if you are using imp garrote then you're using vanish for that, in the opener, then you slightly delay your second deathmark

[boreal pond]

Ah okay, never considered the delay on 2nd. Usually just sent it when it was ready, and vanished when possible. Thanks

[eager ibex]

New bug in m+ mists, at the maze part it destealths you before each pack. Anyone else experiencing this after the patch?

Somethint puts me in combat and destealths without pulling any mob

[errant swallow]

What's up?!

[balmy condor]

This has been a thing since the start of shadowlands yes, you have to wait back while you wait for the mobs to spawn

[eager ibex]

Tf... I swear i was fine last week never had this issue ran mists alot

Great to know this bug been around for years, nice blizz

[errant mauve]

so i apply bleeds get envenomed up and then build CP and pool until i reapply envenomed basically

while reapplying bleeds as needed

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[novel star]

[willow cloud]

TIL, candle sims nearly 1% higher than equal ilvl contract....

[errant mauve]

my ST in M+ build is terribly bad... 670k

[willow cloud]

In raidbots, the tooltip on the spelunker's candle reads more than 2x the actual value -- is raidbots overvaluing this trinket?

in game its only ~3k

[balmy condor]

Tooltip from wowhead is wrong

It sims accurately

[stable hamlet]

Same tho I have 2500 Rio when it comes about single Target I fel that every single Target can outdps u.....

[runic hinge]

That’s just assa rogue baybee

[quartz osprey]

Weird that sin feels bad on ST aye

[stable hamlet]

Assa was the best single Target class

Now its shit

[runic hinge]

Let go of the past

Embrace the present aoe king assa

[quartz osprey]

HOWEVR

its much more fun to blast on aoe

[stable hamlet]

Yes but when u have 2.7 m dps before boss and than u face boss ur dps goes down to 1.3 m

And after every single fight u lose a lot of dps cuz of the single target

[waxen thunder]

I used wax in offhand all night, it worked through deaths with no unequip/reequip

[atomic relic]

What is wax

[willow cloud]

i had 7-10m (~0.5%) from wax across two m+s tonight

[runic hinge]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[waxen thunder]

Bubbling Wax, a rogue only weapon oil

[modest ivy]

Is there a way to get higher % crit from Envenom? I was comparing logs with other sin rogue and notice, he was able to get 55% crit while I was only manage to get 28.3% though my crit stats are higher.

[errant mauve]

im screwing up somewhere cause my dps is so god damn low as sin in M+ how the fuck you guys getting a mil dps ST

[willow cloud]

you're only doing a mil dps pure st if you start with both DM and KB off cd, and a hero

[quartz osprey]

and shiv

[old obsidian]

@balmy condor thx for all you work Whispyr, lov you.

[atomic relic]

Oh where can i get that?

[errant mauve]

running 1 shiv not the talent for a second do i still want to shiv before KB

[waxen thunder]

Pickpocket kobolds in ringing deep. There are guides for more specific locations

[willow cloud]

you have to complete a quest line

[atomic relic]

its better than the usual oils in AH? Worth too farm it?

[quartz osprey]

you can put two of them on

[errant mauve]

doesnt work on weps over 610 ilvl

[placid egret]

thats fixed

[quartz osprey]

isn't that the benefit over normal mats

[atomic relic]

:(((

[waxen thunder]

That was been fixed

[errant mauve]

wait shut the fuck up it was?

[waxen thunder]

Yes

[errant mauve]

WOOOO MY HUNGER STRIKE WORKED

[rotund oak]

[runic hinge]

The benefit is it’s free

[runic hinge]

No. Last 8 seconds

[runic hinge]

Are you fatebound or deathstalker

[modest ivy]

Deathstalker

[indigo totem]

I never got to use wax, I'm assuming it replaces the other wep buffs, how was it simming before the ilvl nerf/bug? I actually do run with a tank that keeps mobs in my poison puddles, so I'm curious, but will wait to see if it is relevant

[runic hinge]

Are you making sure you consume your 7 combo point darkest night proc asap?

[unborn wharf]

for this ovinax build i saw earlier in the channel do u use vanish for anything? Vibes?

[runic hinge]

It’s worse than whetstones and probably on par with mana oil but it’s free and whetstones are expensive but only a bit better

Or it was prior to being bugged

[runic hinge]

Reapply mark if you lose it

[unborn wharf]

big big big

[indigo totem]

Yeah, I'm waiting to see how it sims now once they do their magic

[modest ivy]

Yes, as soon as it is available or way before it’s expiry.

[dawn heath]

so like i'm kinda wondering if i should use another generator if i'm 5-6 combo points vs sending it to caustic splatter(in aoe situations)

cause i see speed envenom at 5 cps quite often

[clever perch]

Weird question

since when Skardyn trinket doesn't reset cd after starting key?

what did i miss

[hot fulcrum]

Do you start new key in less then 2mins of previous trinket use? 🙂

[clever perch]

like

2 min cds get reset after starting key

lol

skardyn is a 2min cd

[hot fulcrum]

Btw, does anyone had issue with stonevault 'rock' boss (9 key)? New affix is always appearing on shield intermission and it's impossible to break the shield coz you need to switch into affix 1st.
I wonder if we do smth wrong

[brisk plank]

How many batty runs did it take for yall for the skardyns? At this point im unsure if it even exists, it just might be a big hoax

[hot fulcrum]

for me it took like 3 runs. That was very bad key from point of time, but I'm glad pugs decided to finish it. I was surprised to see it in a chest. Just luck

[elfin valley]

on certain fights i end up accidentally losing my hero talent stacks. Or its at a semi awkward timing when they are ab to phase is the best move to just like pull up on dps a little in order to preserve the stacks during an intermission?

[hot fulcrum]

it was not even farm run

[silver loom]

do we prefer spyglass over sacbrood?

[hot fulcrum]

due to wowhead egg is S tier and spy is A tier

[frozen iris]

Cut from another potential guild. I feel like sin is lacking.

[hot fulcrum]

But I took spyglass with myth from vault, so I'm just using it

[brisk plank]

Good for you bud, im 30 runs in and getting frustrated. But stopping now is not an option

[silver loom]

i dropped it yesterday so i'm wondering if i'm out of ara kara prison

[hardy prairie]

at what target count do we use fan of knives as a cp generator?

[tawdry sedge]

3+

[exotic rose]

Use Fan of Knives on three or more targets, unless you are talented into both Thrown Precision and Momentum of Despair (common in every mythic+ Deathstalker build). In that case you would cast with two or more targets.

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#aoe-priority

[subtle cipher]

everybody client crashed lol wtf

[round nexus]

Why am i as assa always the one dealing most damage to Void Emissary (affix) 😦

[subtle cipher]

people are being picky huh

[hollow talon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[tawdry sedge]

I am too lazy to sim it myself, but what is the dps gap between FB and DS in m+?

There are certain bosses as for example last one in DB where u might lose the buff during intermission and what not, so i am wondering if FB is overall better for certain dungeons

[runic hinge]

depends on gear tbh

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[fallen arch]

If it takes that long to fall off u’ll prob have vanish yo reapply mark

For me itms Ds all the way, especially bcus of the prio dam

[main pumice]

So how are u guys finding the new affix as assa rogue?

[fallen arch]

This weeks affix?

Its kinda ass

[main pumice]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

One of my least favorite affixes ever

It’s up there with sanguine and overflowing

[quartz cloak]

This weeks affix makes keys so much harder, especially 10+

[main pumice]

Yeah last night was a nightmare especially when they buffed the health of that thing

[pastel onyx]

it has some "interesting" overlaps sometimes

[quartz cloak]

Takes way too long to kill it and on bosses where you have adds to kill and/or windows when you can dmg boss it’s bricking keys easily

[main pumice]

We barely had time to kill adds on 1st boss in ara kara 10 last night 😂

I also feel like assa is horrible for that affix but maybe I am just doing something wrong

Due to the longer ramp up on dmg

[quartz cloak]

It’s ok when you can juggle DN envenom on it but generally really awful and a lot, a lot harder than the other 2 affix we saw

Not even close

[main pumice]

Yeah I mean I was either 1st or 2nd on dmg done overall on that thing, but I think more upfront dps got a massive advantage this week

[blazing pumice]

it just dies to cleave

idk what the rush is to kill it

throw a rupture on it and get your free energy

[round nexus]

In big pulls yes

[main pumice]

It didn't die to cleave when they buffed it tho

[round nexus]

but on bosses it doesnt die to cleave

[blazing pumice]

it's been nerfed

[main pumice]

I know

[quartz cloak]

It’s whatever in trash packs, but on bosses it’s super horrible. There are so many bosses where you have to prioritize dmg on adds

[main pumice]

Exactly

[jaunty fractal]

affix is fine assa is just bad at it but do what you can and invite a frost dk xd

[round nexus]

i love when it shows up as stitchflesh is jumping off his platform

really nice

[main pumice]

Haha sounds like a plan 😂

[quartz cloak]

Idk how anyone say the affix is fine. I mean if the other ones are kinda same difficulty I could agree but the other ones are kindergarten. AOE CC orbs duh 😒 gather orbs automatically driving to you duh 😒

[blazing pumice]

idk that orb one was pretty scuffed

[jaunty fractal]

bro the orbs you had to soak was cooked

[blazing pumice]

every key i've done the add just dies to cleave

[quartz cloak]

And apparently dmg affix that you have overall dmg like a 5th boss

[blazing pumice]

usually well before the timer

[round nexus]

I've timed 5 +10 keys so far this week, and i'm always the one doing the most damage to the affix, maybe the others are just slacking. I'm definitly the one punished the most by doing it though

[quartz cloak]

Maybe that’s true for my runs, that the other just didn’t care damaging it

Idk

[plucky plover]

I just made a sub spec to test out on the raid dummy and used Hekili as a reference as I've never played sub and my dps will not go above 300-400k on it. That's crazy

[balmy condor]

Hekili

[round nexus]

dont bother with sub until 11.0.5 😄

bye bye invigorating shadowdust ❤️

[plucky plover]

I know absolutely nothing about sub. I've always been an assassination main, but I followed Hekili 100% perfectly and it does like 1/3rd of the dps I do on sin lmao

Either the addon is bad or something is up with my setup

[round nexus]

combination i guess, since the difference is that big

[keen spruce]

the addon is bad

[quartz cloak]

Hekili is prob just bad for sub, since it has so many nuances. If you wouldn’t follow it and you would prob do more dmg 🙄

[plucky plover]

I'd have to spend a lot of time learning it first

[worldly nebula]

Why did we remove the talent sim pin?

[quartz cloak]

I mean to play it perfectly sure, but to get at a decent level it prob takes 1-2 hours

[raven egret]

Hekili will just never let you improve, got to get off that to start learning

[earnest remnant]

okay bois is it time

i download hekili for sub

and il give my consensus if its shit or not

[jaunty fractal]

if he was following it and doing 300k dps even in 580 gear its bad xd

[shy pecan]

Why don't you download this

[raven egret]

How many brain cells you willing to lose over this?

[earnest remnant]

yes

[shy pecan]

[earnest remnant]

okay bois

verdict is here

[keen spruce]

[earnest remnant]

it is mostly accurate

there is few things wrong

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-disappointed-here-ashwin-ganesh-c4etech-im-disappointed-bummer-gif-18317401

[earnest remnant]

some priorities in it are a bit messed up

[keen spruce]

isn't that just kind of hekili's MO

[earnest remnant]

that dont rally make any sense

[keen spruce]

like it can't be that hard to get things mostly accurate

[earnest remnant]

really*

[keen spruce]

wow aint' that complicated

[earnest remnant]

doing like 1mil on dummies with it

just fully brain afk staring at it

[vale lantern]

question is what bugs do we get for them fixing this one

[keen spruce]

Maybe... u just playing correclty

cuz u play too much

subconciously

[earnest remnant]

nah i fully ignored my own thoughts

just full focing what it shows me

[keen spruce]

orange cat stealthi

[earnest remnant]

im good at guitar hero

so it was kinda easy

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

that's the line i use to pickup chicks

[quiet spear]

how you feeling the changes on assa?

[coral ibex]

11 second iron wire is gonna be sick

[raven egret]

I am pretty damn certain they won't let iron wire be that strong

[jolly heath]

we are new vdh

double vanish and silence everything

[runic hinge]

it has a dr lol

[vale lantern]

i realized a problem i had in raid earlier why i felt like my damage got lower

i somehow last night when i upgraded my Authority of the depths to rank 3 in instead upgraded it with firey resolve

hmm i wonder how my healing parses were

[weak hearth]

what do you mean ? ITs getting buffed ? or you're just assuming double iron wire with vanish

[raven egret]

11s++ of hard silence, that's just not happening is what I am saying

[calm ravine]

any advantages of fate coin build?

[plucky plover]

I'm interested in trying out Fate as well

[exotic rose]

easier to play, sims almost the same or more depending on gear

[plucky plover]

I feel like Deathstalker's mark falls off a lot in certain raid encounters

Outside of the next vanish

[calm nymph]

sims almost the same...?

isnt it almost a 8-10% dps loss in some cases

[exotic rose]

depends on gear

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cobalt sphinx]

Yeah it sims well but ain’t nobody playing that trash in any content

[timid marsh]

!embelishment

[midnight atlas]

how is that cd reduction from affix working?
while i have the buff after i kill the add for every 1s that passes i get 2s of cd reduction? or some other shenanigan?

[drowsy orchid]

whats ideal secondary stat? mine is crit 25% haste 8% mastery 46% vers 5%

does my haste too low?

[hot fulcrum]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

@drowsy orchid stats change every time you equip a new item

[lyric marlin]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[umbral summit]

do any of you guys know of a bugged interaction with Void Reaper's Contract? it only procced once for 218k damage on my first Bloodbound Horror kill

[sturdy path]

I've noticed many players are running now improved ambush over tight spender on keys, can someone elaborate?

[mint valve]

what are the changes?

[rotund oak]

raccoon guitar hero

[novel star]

they’re prob just lazy when switching talents cause it doesn’t really matter. or theyr dumb idk. elaboration over

you ambush like 3 times per key in a dungeon that’s very deathstalker unfriendly

so

that talent doesn’t do shit

[native seal]

I'm struggling a bit with assasination this tier. Have looked at some guides but can't find comprehensive answers. With the deathstalker build i'm not sure when to use vanish in my opener or rotation in general especially cause darkest night seems to gives you stacks on stacks of DSM, i heard you use vanish before using deathmark but do you use an ambush when vanishing? or do you immedeatly apply deathmark from stealth? also regarding echoing reprimand. if you miss your empowered hits, do you use envenom on 6 or only on 7 combo points? or do you use it as soon as you missed the empowered window.

[novel star]

you ambush one (1) time

per fight

as your first gcd

and never again

[misty holly]

What is the best place to farm Bubbling Wax?

[novel star]

reapplying dsm is top priority so you always force 7cp with mut to consume DN even when ur at 6

[misty holly]

Has anyone written a wax guide yet?

[soft shale]

i did but it is not super hard to realize

it is the warrens

[misty holly]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[soft shale]

there is like a kobold metropolis

[flint tusk]

I've not had to farm any, just macro pickpocket into your stealth openers and you get enough when doing delves occasionally so long as they're kobald ones every now and again.

[novel star]

if you’re using imp garrote you just vanish on cd and if you’re not using imp garrote you vanish never basically

responding to one guy in 6 messages with no @

i’m the goat

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[raven vapor]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax can once again be applied to weapons of all levels
There might still be bugs and odd things happening to it that hasn't been tested yet, but it seems to be working based on initial testing

[flint tusk]

^^^ Not using imp garrote is great if you find you lose mark due to mechanics a ton so you can use vanish purely as a safety net

[raven vapor]

are we still doing wax MH and oil OH?

[native seal]

this is great, do you also always force 7 CP when you still have charges of DSM?

[novel star]

no

standard finisher usage is just 5+ always

if you’re below 5cp hit a builder

[flint tusk]

or animacharged

[novel star]

if not hit a finisher

[novel star]

yaya

but no

dsm pops are just 5+cp

[native seal]

so 6 or 7

[novel star]

forcing 7 is actually really bad gameplay fundamentals

you’re just forced to do it for dn

[novel star]

5+ means 5/6/7

6 or 7 are good but you don’t really aim for anything above 5 cause you’ll overcap

[native seal]

ah mb, didn't know dsm procced of 5 combo points

[novel star]

ending up above 5 is just cake

[flint tusk]

yeh forcing to 7 when you have 6 just feels so bloody awful
just pray for garrote needing to be refreshed or some shit so it's less painful when that happens xD

[novel star]

it’s only reapplying the mark that needs 7

so

every 4th finisher

[brisk plank]

ive had great results opening with gar coming from pack to pack in m+ when you have dn up, then spreading bleeds caustic and after that popping max cp env to get mark rolling. is it a bad habit / thing to do?

[native seal]

giga assa noob 😂

[novel star]

no that’s correct

ambush sucks ass you don’t want to press ambush

if your dn is long enough to not press ambush

[flint tusk]

I wouldn't say that. the hero talent is just not very intuative for how assa normally plays

[novel star]

don’t do it

[brisk plank]

ah good good, cuz it felt so good not having to press it, and for those few gcds not having mark when you are applying bleeds/caustic doesnt really matter i guess

[novel star]

yea

you lose some singular focus value but that’s it

you don’t lose mark consumptions because of the bug

so it’s just singular focus and hunt them down i think

[flint tusk]

Until you get some weird interaction with execute and envenom and it eats both your mark and DN buff.

[novel star]

kinda beans

[brisk plank]

oh yea that bug, i noticed it.. but if they fix it how would it work, if you had dn up and you would open with ambush and apply mark

[novel star]

even when it wasn’t bugged skipping ambush was still correct i think

button just sucks

more garrote good

yummy

[flint tusk]

ye if DN is up you go right into bleed spread followed by splatter max enven least that's my mind

[native seal]

i guess this doesn't count for the ambush procs you get from blindside

[brisk plank]

hope so too man, openings with gar / rup spread feel amazing, then caustic, ct, and ever so satisfying max cp envenom pop

fuck i love assa

[novel star]

ya

i forget blindside exists really

[brisk plank]

i just hope to get that skardyn to get out of grim batol prison as its pretty much only thing i do in wow these days

[novel star]

it’s just a free mutilate

energy proc

xd

[novel star]

gl

[native seal]

so when do you use vanish i all of this? never? in raid fights? 😂

[novel star]

if you have improved garrote you vanish for that

if you don’t

then yeah literally never

[brisk plank]

cheers bud

[novel star]

i just hold vanish to make it easier to transfer mark to new targets

[spring moat]

Patch notes look interesting

[novel star]

comes up a lot in like court and ansurek

brain too small to plan out the mark

[flint tusk]

If this is your build never vanish for garrote, only for mark reapply

[native seal]

it is one of the builds i'm using, but i do have one with improved garrote

makes sense

and the vanish in M+ ofc for reapplying bleeds in aoe

[flint tusk]

Yeh there has been a few floating around as they're all super close % wise

[novel star]

ya in m+ vanish on cd

like u do with imp gar

big damage big good

[native seal]

thx for the help so far, hopefully my logs will improve a bit now

[novel star]

gl

[olive peak]

do you guys have a rapture target count wa?

[soft shale]

no we dont play disc here usually

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

i use whispyrs edit and it does it

think le does too

dno about luxthos

[olive peak]

alright ty, ill just snap it out of whispyrs edit

[neat shell]

Guys which bosses add dmg doesnt count on logs ?

[onyx linden]

Does wax still need to be taken on and off after dying?

[past panther]

When we run double shiv is it better to save both shivs for KB or use 1 on CD and keep the 2nd shiv always for the last half of KB?

[quartz cloak]

Both for KB

[past panther]

Gotcha. Was kinda feeling that. Tysm

[solemn fern]

so why don't we open with ambush to apply deathstalkers mark?

[balmy condor]

we do

[quartz cloak]

[quartz cloak]

When you consume 3 stacks you get a buff called Darkest Night for 30s. It gets consumed when you use envenom with max combo points on a target and applies DS mark again

So you don’t have to use ambush on every mob/pack

You also get the buff when a target dies with DS mark on it

[bitter solar]

I've had years of open with garrote ingrained into muscle memory i had to have a big "ambush!" weakaura in the center of my screen when i don't have darkest night. Trying times for my boomer brain.

[vernal horizon]

When you have both DS mark on target and the darkest night buff. Do you have to consume darkest night asap to be able to use DS mark? When i finish on 5-6 cp the count of DS doesnt decrease, assume its a bug.

[soft shale]

it was a change that is a bit of a dps loss but yea it is what you have to do

until you consume DN DSM wont go down from 3

[vernal horizon]

Thanks mate!

[glass raptor]

Whats best for m+ dwarf or night elf for extra restealth?

Currently playing dwarf but how big is the dps gain from an extra restealth

[royal lantern]

the dps gain is 0

and it doesnt work 80% of the time anyway

[glass raptor]

dwarf it is then ^^

[royal lantern]

i mean

if you need to ask about racials

you are lightyears away from playing on a level where they make a miniscule diffierence

[plucky plover]

I go Worgen for the 1% crit

and variety

[warm vortex]

Will crit and mast stay the most important stats for the rest of the season?

[royal lantern]

no

they never where in the first place

pls, learn stats

we told you all multiple times

[warm vortex]

Aight

[narrow lance]

Anyone else struggling to do enough single target on bosses this week in M+ keys?

[plucky plover]

Crit and mastery isn't the top 2 stats for sin right now? That's the first I'm hearing of it

[umbral summit]

they never 'were', not where

[plucky plover]

Ah nevermind. I thought this was the assassin spec discussion channel. My apologies

[balmy condor]

!stats

[trail locust]

Noob

[balmy condor]

Moroes

[trail locust]

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warm vortex]

there you go

[balmy condor]

@plucky plover ^

[balmy condor]

Why bot hate me

[royal lantern]

we never had a top stat

[plucky plover]

I'm thinking about going Fatebound

[royal lantern]

it likes all stats

[quartz cloak]

If we talk about 11-12 yeah, I need to get better gear for current tuning

[proud pelican]

Let Moroes wake up

[plucky plover]

I need better rings and trinkets atm

Heroic Ansurek dropped the ring, but luckily I only rolled a 35 on it

[quaint dragon]

I just catalysted gear piece and it only changed the stats not the set bonus anyone else had this?

[balmy condor]

What slot did you cata

[quaint dragon]

gg

[quartz cloak]

Haha

[plucky plover]

The cloak

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That’s not a tier slot

[grim jay]

it also wasnt the same person

[plucky plover]

Is the overall BiS gear on icyveins/WoWhead really the ideal gear/stat mix?

[grim jay]

no, whispyr lies

dont trust that guy

[plucky plover]

I noticed that I had somehow naturally acquired 60% of that gear

[balmy condor]

Yeh but the gg gave it away

[balmy condor]

Yesn’t

Does that command still work

Let’s see if bot likes me

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[balmy condor]

Ye

So like

Having those pieces

Does not mean they’re actually good

[zinc frost]

We all do it’s okay

[viscid python]

guys on M+, on bosses , don't you run out of energy?

[plucky plover]

I run low periodically outside of bane/mark, yeah, but nothing major

[balmy condor]

Unless you somehow managed to get a bunch of vault rng and pulled like a dozen myth track pieces and had all the crests to upgrade them

[grim jay]

so technically, not having one or a few items that arent part of the "BiS" profile might already make everything else not "BiS", aside from that its only potentially that if its myth track

[balmy condor]

Yeh happens frequently

[grim jay]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[viscid python]

thx 😄

[plucky plover]

Do you pool for max combo envenom?

[grim jay]

no that doesnt make sense

the only time you wanna max cp envenom is with DN up

and you wanna get that out asap

[lyric marlin]

is waist/wrist best slots for crafted gear m+

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

Davyn too quick

[heady bluff]

So before death mark you make sure bleeds are refreshed is that the same for shiv windows/kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

You don’t have to

[grim jay]

old bones in the morning are just different

[heady bluff]

And what about CT in aoe

[balmy condor]

Deathmark duplicates casts during it

So you don’t gotta worry about that

[lyric marlin]

this whispyr guy sounds like he knows stuff about rogues 😛

[balmy condor]

What about it

[balmy condor]

A thing or two maybe

[royal lantern]

nah

[heady bluff]

Should pop before cds or doesn’t matter?

[royal lantern]

gaslighting you

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

Your cooldowns don’t interact with CT

Generally would want to get it up early in your opener

Cause like

Big damage button

But it’s whatever

If you wanna cast it during kingsbane, go for it

[heady bluff]

Okay I guess I was thinking that you want to put up dots and solely envenon in cds

[lyric marlin]

u guys think blizz will actually go for the auto use on thistle tea?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

you can still use it normally tho

its just an added effect

[trail locust]

I waas looking at zerocool, The best Assa rogue on m+ and i saw he crafted int dagger? What does int give to rogue i thought it was only agility and other stats

[ruby coyote]

@balmy condor how important is it for Assa to stay above 50% energy in order to utilize Sanguine Blades? I was experimenting on target dummies and feels like I can stay at above 50% energy and maintan the Envenom chain, but the spec feels soooooooo slow when I do that. What's the best possible thing you can do if you want to min-max for mythic raid?

[grim jay]

did he

really

[balmy condor]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on Envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[lyric marlin]

yea he be crying about it for a while now xd

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

He crafted an int dagger and then failed trial

Been a rough week

[grim jay]

(I did the same on my mage, crafted a strength sword in early dragonflight)

[lyric marlin]

u couldve jus go for a battlemage

[grim jay]

I wish there was a spec/class like that

[ashen orbit]

I would use it for ilvl

[grim jay]

and no shaman is no battlemage

[ashen orbit]

and swap out when key started

[lyric marlin]

my kinda guy

[balmy condor]

Pugging is bag item level

Why even bother swapping

[grim jay]

failing trial always sounds really rough, especially if you really want that slot

[frozen jasper]

Is there a sim sheet for all the gear and Talent stuff like in the last Expansion?

[ashen orbit]

Why ruin my fun

[balmy condor]

I’m optimizing your fun

Can’t turn this brain off

[lyric marlin]

bro is even theorycrafting our jokes

[balmy condor]

I’m that good

[grim jay]

shouldve seen him at his grandma

[ashen orbit]

I respect the hustle I guess

[grim jay]

he analyzed digging holes

in her garden

[royal lantern]

adding :3 to serious comments is a 2% increase

[balmy condor]

#1080572530554835072 containment breach

[grim jay]

@spice spire

[ashen orbit]

we get 3rd spark next week?

[spring moat]

Feels bad. Breaking three fingers the night before prog raid. 🫤

[balmy condor]

This week

[sharp grove]

hey guys I am about to craft something ilvl 639 and I don't know what to craft first and with what embelishment now?

[grim jay]

we had a guy raiding with 1 hand only

[royal lantern]

4th full spark next week

[grim jay]

no excuses

[balmy condor]

How’d you do that

[balmy condor]

Wait really

[ashen orbit]

aaarh, my bad, Guess I can finally just craft a dagger for my rogue so I can play assa

[balmy condor]

Is it half spark this week?

Wait it’s Wednesday

You’re right

Fuck

[ashen orbit]

it's thursday

[atomic relic]

@balmy condorhi any new guide for assasin rogue?

[spring moat]

Steel beam landed on pinky+2. Two knuckles broke for sure.

[balmy condor]

No, it’s Wednesday until I fall asleep

When I wake up it’s Thursday

[rancid nimbus]

dude 😄

[ashen orbit]

Optimized calendar I guess

[rancid nimbus]

get some sleep

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Yeesh

[grim jay]

glad time flows the same for us

[spring moat]

Landed=slipped offa lip and fell 3”. Just enough momentum to hear a slight crunch

[sharp grove]

should I go for dawnthread lining or ascencion on weapon or elemental focusing lens weapon?

[balmy condor]

Day starts when sun comes out

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim jay]

how would a gamer know when the sun is out

[balmy condor]

Sun out means roll over and back to sleep

[grim jay]

that kinda just reminded me of literally every person Ive ever known in east germany

they only have cloth infront of their windows

you couldnt sleep through even if you wanted to

they dont have an actual roller blind

for whatever reason

[balmy condor]

Communism = no rollers

[rotund oak]

technically when the rock we live on spins to face the stable star that provides the light we experience by fusing hydrogen

🤓

[ruby coyote]

@balmy condor is this opening sequence accurate when you dont play SS? Based on this you are not casting garrote at all during deathmark, only at the very end

[balmy condor]

Okay nerd

[grim jay]

that shows how old you are

[rotund oak]

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

Ambush->garrote

If ss, rupture
If no ss, mut then rupture

Looks good to me no?

[plush vessel]

i was just playing double rouge in arakara +11 and the other assa rouge was crying for restealth every pack calling tank a ****

[soft shale]

oh no

dont begin this

[balmy condor]

Guillotine

[plush vessel]

hahaha

yes

i linked him ur video

after key

[crisp pine]

I wonder if tanks will just stop accepting assa rogues one day

cause they cba

[rotund oak]

kekw

[balmy condor]

Yeah usually that leads to “that guy is clueless!”

[soft shale]

with the way our class is going people will wonder what a rogue is in general

[balmy condor]

“what’s his io! Probably shitter!”

[soft shale]

not multi R1 glad

[plush vessel]

yup xd pretty much but tanked thanked me so he could show he assa rogue friend the vid haha

[soft shale]

if course he does not know sht

[balmy condor]

Link title whispyr

[crisp pine]

Names Whispyr
talks in a normal volume

Yea I think that guys a faker tbh

[rotund oak]

exactly my point,ty sir

[soft shale]

where is death's demise title??¿¿

[ashen orbit]

I mean, it's not even that hard to get a restealth off if they chain when the mobs are low as fuck

[royal lantern]

watching you get downvoted in THAT post by people saying "yeha its sims, not the REAL GAME"

as if you dont play the game

and as if you dont play the game on a higher level then 99,99999% of the people in THAT post

[soft shale]

it is just people being people

[balmy condor]

I just answered the one guy taking my shit out of context and then close tab

Rest seemed handled or idiots

[ruby coyote]

aaah I thought the link is saying to instead of garrote use mutilate, my bad

[royal lantern]

like, those guys acting as if "the guys doing the sims dont know the REAL GAME" are insane

like, hello????? THEY PLAY THE GAME YOU BRAINLET??????

[balmy condor]

Still ovi’nax prison

I’m not playing the game

Game is playing me

[soft shale]

dont worry it is way easier now

just 3 heal it break its neck

[royal lantern]

can i play you :3

[balmy condor]

No

[soft shale]

then go into and be a princess killer too

[rotund oak]

[soft shale]

get transmitter and link it in sub chat

[balmy condor]

I pass on transmitter

Refuse to play that nonsense trinket

[rotund oak]

got normal transmitter,best 100g ive got from my mount vendor

[royal lantern]

no

you roll on it just to make sure that your idiot warriors dont get it

its safekeeping whisp

[balmy condor]

Our warrior is very good

[royal lantern]

he has the braincell

[balmy condor]

All our melee is cracked tbh

[plush vessel]

no melee brain

[balmy condor]

My heroic logs are like 99.7 or something

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-spin-hat-one-brain-cell-gif-2745719316163357325

our warrior

[balmy condor]

And I’m beat by 3 melee

It’s crazy how hard they pump

[rotund oak]

u arent playing fair though,hair is +10 logs

[balmy condor]

I had like a rank 6 heroic ansurek and ended up like bottom 2 out of the melee

Sitting there like am I shit?

Nop

Just everyone else also blasting

[warm vortex]

I just checked that post, god people are stupid

random rogue knows more than guide writers and top player moment

(which they clearly dont lol)

[balmy condor]

I’m an expert, until I say something that challenges their world view, in which case I turn into a rude dipshit dumbfuck who doesn’t know anything about the game

[warm vortex]

Indeed

[crisp pine]

IC was a disaster for the Sin Community

Hope they remove it

[royal lantern]

fast dotting talents in general

[crisp pine]

I want people to mald into oblivion

[royal lantern]

watching shadow priests crying that shadowcrash is too weak

cus it ONLY APPLIES DOUBLE DOTS ON 5 TARGETS

like

bruh

sw pain is 1 GCD

[spring moat]

@balmy condor swapped to recommended talent build for raid and immediately went from green to purple parses lmao. Crazy how much two or three points makes a difference

[warped quartz]

Any tips to stop getting out of stealth on mists when u change room in maze?

[balmy condor]

Every time I see someone go “wait we don’t run improved garrote in raids? wtf????” A joker-like smile creeps onto my face so large the corners of my mouth rip

[warm vortex]

also
tryan the only reason i asked about stats again earlier was cause someone swas saying stacking crit/mast was a goodi idea like last night

[crisp pine]

bahahaha

[balmy condor]

good talents good

[royal lantern]

you wait until they spawned in before running into the room

[balmy condor]

Stay behind until mobs spawn

[spring moat]

You hand out in the back and restealth

[grim jay]

what about something something soyfaced something something

[balmy condor]

Something something “anmie” something something

[royal lantern]

ye sorry if it came across as overly aggresive

its just

assa doesnt care really about stats, its "ilvl wins until its items of the same ilvl, and then you just sim"

[crisp pine]

Yk what's actually fucked up tho?
The current affix
Desyncs deathmark and skardyn
cause deathmark gets cdr
and skardyn doesn't

[warm vortex]

Yea fair
just have had a very "vocal" person join who is like someone who plays shit if its good not if its fun
and he was just constatnly saying that the top shit is running crit/maste n such
and it's just a lot of driffrent things from diffrent people

[crisp pine]

I had Deathmark ready with the stupid ass trinket on cd for 25 more seconds
why live even

[balmy condor]

Shiv doesn’t either

[crisp pine]

oh yea true
i just stopped using the second shiv in between lol

It's so ass

[royal lantern]

vanish aswell i think?

[crisp ibex]

Is our damage on boss so low with M+ talents? Even if u start full energy and cds

[royal lantern]

yes

assa does good aoe in dungeons and low boss dmg

[grim jay]

dw with the changes it doesnt desync as much

[crisp ibex]

Changes?

[grim jay]

cdr is now 50%

not 20%

[crisp ibex]

Cdr of what

[grim jay]

affix

[crisp ibex]

Ah ok

I only do decent overall in 10+ Keys

Farming 7 keys i do bullshit dps with assa

And im always last on boss

And dont talk abour chain pull with 1 or 2 mobs alive

[sturdy path]

its only kingsbane and deathmark on affix cdr?

[crisp ibex]

When u dont reset stealth with pickup tanks

[royal lantern]

dont

DONT

[tall jay]

I seem to just have to waste my vanish

lol

[ashen orbit]

But SW pain doesnt do anything? its the other dot that matters

[tall jay]

I might have to fatebound in pugs

[crisp pine]

why? lol

[tall jay]

Idk, cause I can’t get my death mark up on chain pulls lol

[golden loom]

I was wondering in this sequence, is casting ER instead of the mutilate an option? or is there a specific reason that makes mutilate better

[warped belfry]

!WA

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[crisp pine]

what
why?

you can
reapply it with dn
on another mob

like listen if you need a full coordinated group
to not lose your mark in chain pulls
that's not a deathstalker problem

[soft surge]

any cool new sin spec

[grim jay]

yeah if you cant mark bcs of chainpulls its 100% player issue

[eager tree]

?

[soft surge]

learn to meld noob

[soft surge]

bored of hybrid

[grim jay]

worst advise given so far

[tall jay]

Not sure maybe I need more practice

[boreal lichen]

Is there a List with all enraged mobs in mythik+ which should be dispelled by shiv ?

[eager tree]

practice at what? you have 30s of the DN buff

[crisp pine]

probably
if the mob with mark dies
you get DN
and then you just apply it on the new mobs

[soft surge]

should have an enraged type buff on your nameplates

[crisp pine]

or you consume mark and get dn
and put it on a new mob

[tall jay]

Ah

[crisp pine]

It's kinda impossible to lose mark in normal play?

you'd have to not press buttons for 30 seconds

[warm vortex]

Tbhj most of the enrages you can see when the big mob goes large and red
most of the time...

[grim jay]

its not like you save shiv to dispell enrage either way

[soft surge]

after u do a dungeon 1000 times (grim batol) you will know what needs dispelling

[tall jay]

I guess i only do like 4s lol

[warm vortex]

Dude is the trinket grind that bad for you D:

[soft surge]

• shivs part of our dps rotation i aint using that shit on utility

[hexed frost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xdy2gn5mWf2jpvVrrdeh9T

2x Kukri simming better than 2x Regicide.

Someone really wants me stacking versa

[soft surge]

ill show you something

[warm vortex]

Oh god

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/1WobtM4.png i have a ilvl 606 skardyns

i had to zoom out on my screen to fit all the runs in

[crisp pine]

idk try to be more aware of your mark I guess?
it really doesn't just fall off in normal play

[warm vortex]

Maybe the real reward were the friends you did the keys with

[crisp pine]

dw you'll get it in vault next week

[soft surge]

3/4 of those gb pugs like in the 7~ range were aweful times

[ashen orbit]

copium

[soft surge]

the 11 i did today was easier than some of the lower pugs

[tawdry flint]

Nice to see I’m not the only one. I’ve done 48 gbs so far

[soft surge]

so whats the deal?

i have all the other dungeon trinkets at high ilvl https://i.imgur.com/6MWSw7C.png

[crisp pine]

holy fuck that's bright

[ashen orbit]

I did like 25 runs for the dagger in DF, and then I realized it wont drop for outlaw, so did another 35

[soft surge]

skardyns has a low drop rate?

[shut canopy]

flashbang

[soft surge]

does that on my hdr monitor for osme reason

its not actually that bright

[tall jay]

Is there a plater script or something out there . I the plater I have covers up the star lol

[soft surge]

how can m+ items have a lower drop rate than others

i thought it was all the same

its not a fucking mount

[toxic zephyr]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[ashen orbit]

It is all the same, you got personal bias for the drop chance

[crisp pine]

uh
well there are weakauras that track it
Whispyrs plater colors the nameplate of the mob with mark

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[soft surge]

i have mdt. i have seen it drop 1 time in all those runs. for a hunter i offered a mill too and he declined

he wanted gold cap

[ashen orbit]

This is literally what I mean, personal bias

[rotund oak]

bruh 😂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdAC4MdgS7Y

[soft surge]

mrt* not mdt

[ashen orbit]

You thinking anecdotal = factual

[onyx rock]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC

[ashen orbit]

it's all the same

the only difference is the size of the loot table, or what can drop

[misty torrent]

Whats the best way to spread garrote and rupture, if I am not stealthed?

[crisp pine]

you spread rupture manually

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/69f8BMA.png

the two others were from base mythic

this needs to be raised with blizzard

does this fucking trinket have a lower drop chance than others

[ashen orbit]

Okay, im convinced you are joking now so ill drop it

[soft surge]

iv had everything else drop like 3 times

how is this a joke

m+ loot should have the same drop chance as everything else

[ashen orbit]

it's just mathematical chance, 10% chance to drop doesnt mean that it HAS to drop within 10 runs

[soft surge]

its not classed as rare in the dungeon journal

[ashen orbit]

It is the same loot chance

[crisp pine]

actually, dropping skardyn is always a 50% chance

Either it drops

or it doesn't

like all things in life

Follow me for more math tips

[ashen orbit]

also kinda factual

[soft surge]

ok you stay cucks

im calling blizzard tomorrow

[ashen orbit]

sounds like you are getting cucked by a trinket brother, not us

[crisp pine]

what are you gonna say

[soft surge]

is the drop chance the same as everything else on the table

becasue their recent incompetence in other areas of the game would make me believe they have somehow made it like a 5% chance or some

6 hour weekly maintenance

[crisp pine]

I mean
it's probably the same
just a lot of items
And it only drops for agi classes

[soft surge]

all of the hero trinkets i have sim lower than skardyns 606 ilvl

[crisp pine]

Like strenght users have a different trinket that does the same

[soft surge]

dude i ask people before/during, hey can u go agi spec if the trinket drops ill give u 6 figures

they do it doesnt drop

i even have this shit https://i.imgur.com/0NfLyEl.png

[grim jay]

what do you mean with "even have"

[soft surge]

i have had some good luck in other slots

https://i.imgur.com/0bwDZ4V.png

[grim jay]

the issue with skardyns

[soft surge]

no skardyns

[grim jay]

is the lootpool grim batol has

compare the item amount

[soft surge]

i know

the nerfs have been nice but the dungeon is just so painful

i cant do it anymore

[grim jay]

idk I'm luckily done with farming anything

out of dungeons

[soft surge]

so you have a decent ilvl skaryns then?

[zenith prairie]

How are you guys even getting grim batol groups

617 2300 and It takes 30+ minutes

[grim jay]

I have everything hero track or higher

[soft surge]

being 2.6k io

[grim jay]

since like a week

I got skardyns after 3 runs, but had to go for quite some more to get the ring

and the back

[eager tree]

i'm 2/3 down, just need the ring lol

[soft surge]

i got the ring atleast

[eager tree]

i have SoB ring though so pretty close

[radiant yoke]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[gleaming spire]

Hows my skardyn

[crisp pine]

Take the ritual knife

nerd

[gleaming spire]

[soft surge]

https://i.imgur.com/WcG6XA8.png

i have it all but a skardyn

[crisp pine]

you can get the knife on heroic track

[fiery hornet]

guys how do u sim for a dungeon?

[gleaming spire]

Dslice

[fiery hornet]

tnx bro

[grim jay]

I dont use that thing

gladly pass

[soft surge]

is it over simmed

feels weird to use but i dont notice

[grim jay]

no, I just dont like things that can negatively impact my burst

[soft surge]

interesting

[crisp pine]

can't you cloak the debuff?