assassination

[arctic socket]

Thought it gave accuracy bonus

And tick recovery

[kindred imp]

Lots of people in logs dropping dashing scoundrel for raid and imrpoved poisions and going down the IG route :? why?

[arctic socket]

To use vanish for more damage

Since ambush isn’t reapplying it

[normal mist]

Sacrificing the chill build? Never!

[arctic socket]

Because of the new “bug” the er bug fix made

[normal mist]

I like that build better with the bug

[arctic socket]

I mean

Im just holding vanish to re apply mark if I ever drop it

Or to dodge some stuff

[normal mist]

That's why I like the build

Double VV imp poison dashing

[spring moat]

What is this build you speak of

[arctic socket]

The hidden wowhead guide tech

[tepid drum]

Anyone willing to peruse some of my logs and tell me why the fuck am I parsing green/gray in M+? Or..we don't do that here?

[normal mist]

The first raid one in wowhead

M+ parses....

M+ parses have little to do with you and more about the key level and time of completion

[kindred imp]

and tank and pulls and...lots of factors 😄

[normal mist]

There aren't that much

The big one is: the higher the key, the better the parse is

[tepid drum]

understood, much appreciated

[tawny geyser]

41 runs...
Gave 10k to each member of the pug group just for funs lol...
Finally...

[marsh zinc]

do i er on cd or wait for kingsbane?

[kindred imp]

damn, im on only 21st run...

[kindred imp]

I er on cd

[honest basin]

Hi, assuming we can have the ideal gear on all slots for m+, what set part do we ignore ? I'm trying to know if, long term, I just pick a vault set item with higher ilvl or just something else if that slot is the one that should go away

[tawny geyser]

I believe Chest. I got it this morning on Mythic track, but ignored it and took bracers.

But always sim

[hidden umbra]

I don't care much for raids. How do I sim my vault for M+ specifically?

[tawny geyser]

Open Vault, /simc

[chilly mist]

Headslot according to sims, think its all very equal though

[kindred imp]

dungeon slice or 5 patchwarks, 30-40 sec. depends on what key ure simming :?

[royal lantern]

5target patchwerk is the biggest meme in the game lmao

[honest basin]

I am surprised that the crit versa part would win over the haste mastery one, but if the sim says so

[royal lantern]

lets goooooo sim 5targets with all raidbuffs and BL

[brisk path]

are fractured sparks RNG or is there specific number we could eatn by now?

[ripe carbon]

specific

i think were on 7 splinters?

so 3 full sparks + 1 splinter

[chilly mist]

In m+ we lean more towards mastery and away from haste, you'd run the Whispering mask for vers-mastery

[honest basin]

Yeah but there still needs to be a little bit of haste for boss fights especially on higher keys right

[kindred imp]

vers started getting important for keys too...I was getting 2-tick shotted in boralus 10 cause my vers was so low :/ healer was annoyed

[honest basin]

With versa scaling incredibly terribly it's ... strange to go for it

[normal mist]

Yo shade
In theory, unless you're totally max mythic ilvl, we just sim the gear we get.
At max possible Ilvl, we skip tier chest if you go for total BiS

[honest basin]

It's good defensively yeah

[royal lantern]

1half every week trought the weekly quest, if you missed one/are behind, they drop from dungeons/raids/WQ chests as catchup

[royal lantern]

yeha no

pls

stop spreading missinformation

"i died cus of vers" is the biggest cope in wow

[kindred imp]

putrid water was 2-tick shotting me in a 10 yesterday lol. wdym misinformation

[royal lantern]

you died cus you didnt use a deffensive or cus the healer was too slow/didnt use a cd or external

[chilly mist]

its like 30%vers, 70% mastery on that head. And head tier piece is overkill haste

but this is all according to the sims

for m+ specifically

[royal lantern]

and not because "i didnt had 2% dr from vers missing 😢 "

"vers for DR" is only a thing in really really really REALLY high keys

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[royal lantern]

and if you do those, you are not asking stat questions in a class discord

[brisk path]

damn so 7 fractured spark is max, I though I will craft item this week, well it seems like gilded will go to upgrades this time
(there is now way to deconstruct crafted item right? )

[chilly mist]

Pretty sure you just go elusiveness and that removes the vers requirement pretty substantially for higher keys

[ripe carbon]

u can keep crafting it from the spark but once u use a spark its used

so if u craft dagger/belt/wrist ur stuck on those 3 until u get another spark

u can upgrade from runed to gilded

[royal lantern]

you go elusivness cus elusivness is a requirment in m+

[wicked glen]

Thinking about making assa rogue. Do I need to switch targets often in m+ ?

[royal lantern]

if you dont use it, you are allready playing sooooo wrong

[normal mist]

Sometimes

[royal lantern]

you multi dot and then start doing dmg to 1 guy and cleave from it

[chilly mist]

Yeah you're right, feels kinda shit feint spamming on assa though. It's alot smoother on outlaw, just have to get used to it

[royal lantern]

m+ is a shitshow

[normal mist]

Outlaw is the most defensive spec out of the three isn't it

[royal lantern]

it is what it is

[royal lantern]

ye, by far

[wicked glen]

So I apply dots on pack, and then just focus priority target ? Don't need to reapply dots again ?

[royal lantern]

getting CDR on evasion is so stupid lol

[normal mist]

You need at least 5 ruptures going, so if the initial ones fall off, yes

[royal lantern]

ofc you reapply when they run out lol

[wicked glen]

😔

[polar delta]

Watch some video guides, it's not that bad trust.

[normal mist]

Tab targeting, spamming FoK and applying rupture isn't that hard

We can pretty much play this spec while watching Netflix

[wicked glen]

It's nice

I want a simple spec like fury, destro or frost mage

[royal lantern]

yeha

thats not assa

[chilly mist]

its alot more annoying maintenance than outlaw imo

[polar delta]

But Assassin is the easier of the three rogue specs imo.

[royal lantern]

in m+, assa is 1 of the harder specs in the game

[normal mist]

Who

[royal lantern]

cus aoe dot maintenance is more involved then the ussual "spam aoe skill" that most specs do

[wicked glen]

And I'm going to play only m+. Maybe some raiding

[royal lantern]

you get used to it and it flows after some times, but its not "im a arms warrior, and my aoe rotation is pressing cleave every 4seconds" or fury "everything is aoe lolololololol"

[normal mist]

Or fury

[chilly mist]

every ret ive seen just blasts, low or high rio

seems pretty straight forward

[polar delta]

It's resonable a decent spec to get into, don't fret, it takes some time to getting hang of but it's pretty straight forward if you play casual M+ up to portals 2.5k rating.

[normal mist]

Fury is so fucking satisfying to play

[wicked glen]

My main is fdk, I don't think I want to play retri

[calm grail]

I tried Fury after maining Outlaw since Legion

Having AOE charges made my brain itch

I'm sure it's easy to get into the habit of

[normal mist]

AoE charges?

[calm grail]

When I played on MoP remix

[normal mist]

The Wwind buff?

[calm grail]

I thought I could use like 4 abilities then had to use another to put that back on

Yeah

[sharp trellis]

does anyone know why it seem the gems with crit by color doesn't seem to be calculate right in raidbots?

[calm grail]

Link it

[normal mist]

The pro rogue will tell you to sim

[calm grail]

I'm new to Sin, and you should sim, but there's also some logic with vault too

depending on what's in it

[royal lantern]

ret aoe:

if divine storm is avaible, use divine storm

thats it

no, im not even joking or trying to make it sound easy/remove parts of it, thats literally your gameplay as Ret on more then 1target, you press divine storm whenever its not on CD

[normal mist]

Yeah let's see it

[calm grail]

Like if there's a very rare item etc

I meran if you're playing sin

And you don't have Skardyn's

Get it.

[normal mist]

Yeah skardyn is big

[calm grail]

Ahh.

[normal mist]

A perfect on use 2m for DM

Hmmm

[calm grail]

I'd say... Fuck...

I guess yeah

Crystal upgraded

[tawny geyser]

that Cloak sims high, atleast for me.

[chilly mist]

that skardyn is myth track right? and ur current is hero?

[calm grail]

Then replace it with a better spyglass down the road

[normal mist]

Sim both at equal ilvl

[brisk plank]

For me passive trinkets sim as delve trinket > crystal > spyglass

[calm grail]

I'm running Delve/Spyglass in m+ right now.

Swapped sin 3 days ago, no skardyn yet

[chilly mist]

and your current skardyn is hero?

its not bad, but first boss mythic drops your m+ bis

so that one is easily farmable and ud replace

worth considering

[normal mist]

@cyan cipher did you sim both at equal ilvl? Spyglass and the shard one?

Try it

Maybe it seems better because it is higher ilvl

[spice spire]

Gz

[normal mist]

I mean

Yeah that's how it works xD

[spice spire]

[calm grail]

Anyone here do log analysis? I'm new to sin and I want my Sikran parse looked at.

[swift vapor]

idk where else to ask but how do you guys feel about the rework?

[normal mist]

@spice spire the man himself, the log legend if he's available

Fuck

[chilly mist]

if you wanna be a degen you can continue the delve grind for a 619/626 knife, will be very strong and im pretty sure a better option than dawn trinket

[calm grail]

@spice spire I was told you'd be the one to help me analyze this:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w6ynBVktZT84NDRX#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=8

[chilly mist]

not sure though

[grim vigil]

if i have 3 embelishments on my gear is 1 turning off or cant i equip it even

[unkempt tangle]

There are theories that recrafting daggers or rings count as getting 2 items for this slot and thus bypassing crest upgrade cost. Anyone test that yet ?

[ripe carbon]

youi wont be able to equip

[potent raven]

lol

highly doubt

[unkempt tangle]

Wdym? If you recraft a dagger, you still have 1 dagger

[normal mist]

In st it is

[ripe carbon]

was talking to burning

[unkempt tangle]

Sorry 😄

[arctic socket]

In single target is definitely the most least complicated

[spice spire]

Oh hi.
It’s uh morning and I’m rushing to work (I overslept) if you can wait like an hour or two. I’ll have it done king

Also @normal mist can you thread that?

[polar delta]

I'm coming from a Casual M+ average 2k/2.5k rating type of player, Outlaw is straight forward in practice but it's so reliant on subterfuge/crackshot window that one hiccup is costly at times, I only messed around with Sub for like 2 runs, and that seems okay but it goes back to shadow dance/Vanish window CD bursts. Deathstalker admittedly for Assassin is prob the one of the tricker part this season, fatebound is alright.

[calm grail]

What a chad, thank you.

[quiet oar]

Now i can finally green parse on Rashanan

for real

[radiant sentinel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[smoky sequoia]

i dont wanna brag but

[vale lantern]

Huge!!

[smoky sequoia]

im kind of a top tier player

[quiet oar]

Insane

I mean

On Nexus princess

You jsut need to delay the first burst a bit

[vale lantern]

Don’t worry someone has to be the raid blood sacrifice to kill the boss

[quiet oar]

Oh nexus princess

waitz

nevermind

[vale lantern]

Wait now I’m curious what boss are you delaying burst for?

[quiet oar]

I figured out

on Sikran

Every Kingsbane is when he charges

whzen you do normal opener

so i thought delaying it a bit

will get rtid of this overlap

will test it today

[vale lantern]

Ohh I def use all of my shadow step charges and chase him down for that

[quiet oar]

Well getting in the line of charge

drops a ghost

[vale lantern]

That sounds like a healer mechanic 🙂

[quiet oar]

Nah

10-20 second delaying

prolly wont fuck a whole use

[vale lantern]

10-20 seconds could mean missing part of bl

[quiet oar]

BL is 20 seconds

40*

you still have 20 seconds

will test it anyways

because no uptime in kingsbane

is kinda meh

[vale lantern]

I actually dont chase mid charge it’s just after the charge. That being said you don’t need to delay it i parsed a 99 doing normal opener

[quiet oar]

the thing is

dropping a ghost on mythic

near a ghost

causes an explosion

[vale lantern]

I don’t drop ghost cause I’m not chasing mid charge that was a joke

I ss after the charge is done

[strange python]

623 box trinket did about this much in a mists 10

huge

[gentle aurora]

anyone know much about simming? i'm currently simming my vault gear, running a dungeon sim, and don't understand the sudden 500k+ dps boost when my talent tree is changed (assa delves is one of my saved specs). I thought I loaded the sim with only my mythic+ spec selected...

[vale lantern]

You prob have it selected toward the bottom after you select gems

[gentle aurora]

must have had - just weird that the dps difference is so big! the specs are similar lol

[wicked valve]

So is not being able to use bubbling wax at higher level intended or a bug?

[quiet oar]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[wicked valve]

Ah, joyous.

[vale lantern]

Honest it looks like you sim’d a single target spec and and aoe spec by the numbers

But also seems while that (looks like boots?) give you a 12k dps upgrade. Must be a significant ilvl jump

[still pewter]

So do i swap to fatebound when sims say i do more dmg or stay ds

[zenith prairie]

Does fatebound out sim deathstalker in any scenario?

[fallow marsh]

At what key M+ would you say it’s worth spreading rupture to every mob?

[still pewter]

it sims 100k higher for me

[vale lantern]

Do you wanna play fb or ds?

[still pewter]

ds currently

[vale lantern]

Then play that 😄

[still pewter]

Oh i read that wrong

Nah i wanna play whatever does more damage lmao

[nova aspen]

yes, aoe

[vale lantern]

Well if ur going purely off that then swap to fb but if that’s also the case check sub and outlaw sims they might do more

[still pewter]

in coming weeks ill go back to sub, but i have prio geared sin for raid

[strange python]

zekvir ?? difficulty
kick is on cooldown from kicking the regen
brann does fuck all
cloak on cooldown from removing last spittle
casts spittle, tick once and im dead

how the fuck are you supposed to do this

[vale lantern]

Then play which ever sims high I personally simd higher with fb but personally did less damage

[gentle aurora]

yeah that looks like exactly what has happened actually - thanks for the help! and yeah, 17 ilvl jump in boots, was hoping for moe than 12k but a wins a win 😄

[normal mist]

Did anyone do it? Was busy with work

[rotund oak]

i wonder what keys we could do this week

like easy +10

[spice spire]

No

[rotund oak]

[spice spire]

The affix sucks I’m ngl

[rotund oak]

yeah man

[normal mist]

Nira log review

[clever sapphire]

ah the affix, what does the affix even give. I swear my cooldowns dont get reduced at all when i kill the add

[rotund oak]

we beta testing affix this week fam dw

problem is that most ppl do tank dmg on boss fights

and we endup doing like 800k

[stray fox]

Do you ever go above 6? Technically 5 but if you have to cast twice you might as well get 6 if you’re coming out of stealth

[rotund oak]

which isnt rly enough to time 9-10s

need some warlocks and mages

[grim jay]

until it proccs on your cds

[rotund oak]

sht aint dying other way

[grim jay]

just deal more than 800 yourself on bosses

and blast on trash

easy carry

[clever sapphire]

i mean only thing changing on a 10 is that you have this shit affix instead of the mastery one

so i will still do my weekly in mists

[arctic socket]

What does this affix do

[chilly mist]

Then you cloak like a chad

[eager tree]

gives you CDR

[clever sapphire]

10% dr on every mob, it stacks up every 3 sec

you gotta kill it

then you get 20% CDR (i swear you dont) and 10% increased healing

[fallen arch]

No kiss only curse?

[grim jay]

Yeah better waste cloak on a trinket thats potentially marginally better.

[arctic socket]

Cdr is probably bugged

Why blizzard had multiple extended maintenances

[tulip portal]

Hi all. I got this Dager from a Delve.... i seems to me is beer than Blood Kissed Kukri for offhand, cuz of mastery, but i havent fopund anything about it online

[chilly mist]

how about you take a few deep breathes and relax 🙂

[eager tree]

its all bugged rn. was doing an 11 stonevault yesterday and our lock and ret pally died with 23 seconds left on last boss and it didnt take any time away

[eager tree]

sim it

[woven shore]

From map delve?

[tulip portal]

ye

[grim jay]

Oh you are the sensitive type that feels offended where nothing was said or done. Have a nice day mate

[clever sapphire]

is that pawn? dont let whispyr see that

[grim jay]

Wouldve been surprised if it wasnt honestly

[vale lantern]

It’s also only like 24 seconds off a 2 min cd just enough to mess everything up

[tulip portal]

sorry guys im new ot PvE. long time pvp player trying my hands on pve in TWW

[woven shore]

[grim jay]

Yeah just delete pawn and never sim statweights again

Just use topgear

[tulip portal]

SimC into Raidbots?

with both options?

[eager tree]

yes

[grim jay]

Yes

[tulip portal]

ok thanks

[hollow moss]

haste/mastery neck is simming higher than skardyns grace, is that normal?

[eager tree]

can also do gear compare to sim gear you dont have in your bags

[warm vortex]

I think i might take tokens

[tulip portal]

yo i got a siiiiiiiick vault this week

[grim jay]

If you neck is shit and your trinkets arent as much

[woven shore]

Today during guild raid i forget to reapply venoms so i had to do it mid fight in princess

[eager tree]

do you already have myth track shoulders?

[clever sapphire]

do you have myth track shoulders? if not i would take that

[woven shore]

[grim jay]

Dont feel bad, im in a similar boat. I do have transmitter aswell, but with sub losing dust soon idk if its worth it

[warm vortex]

I don't but i was wanting my 4 set

I don't have transmitter at all

[hollow moss]

trinkets are transmitter and detachable fang.
neck is indeed shit

[warm vortex]

ill just sim shtuff

[clever sapphire]

you can just catalyst, myth track goes 13 ilvl above hc track so its gonna be a massive upgrade

[warm vortex]

Idk if i have 2 or 1 atm tho

think i have 21

[clever sapphire]

13 ilvl is gonna be better than 4set

[warm vortex]

*1

[woven shore]

Hate you so much

[eager tree]

myth track shoulders youll never replace this whole patch, thats why id recommend. between a curio and 2 charges of catalyst you should have 4 set right

[grim jay]

Yeah those are good trinkets. So it all comes down to if you wanna deal with transmitter or youll potentially get a neck soon etc

[tulip portal]

if its any consolation... 0 tier dropped from normal or heroic raid since week 1..im still at 2 piece tier

[woven shore]

What can i say dude

[eager tree]

you get a free tier token from H Ansurek or 2000 io. have you gotten that yet?

[tulip portal]

didint even take amnything from vault cuz i wanna see what will drop tonight from HC

[clever sapphire]

now to make you feel better, tier is dog anyways so dont worry about that much

[tulip portal]

trueeee

[eager tree]

i mean if you dont have skardyns grace id def take that. raid doesn't drop it anyways

[grim jay]

Its decent in m+ tho

[woven shore]

Do i get a tocken from both queen Heroic AND 2000io ?

[eager tree]

only thing that would replace it is mythic skardyn's grace

[tulip portal]

99% im taking it yea

[eager tree]

no

[grim jay]

Is the skardyns mythic track?

[tulip portal]

hero :S

[eager tree]

nothing is myth track in his vault

[tulip portal]

y

[grim jay]

Ah alright, still good

Saves you some farming

[tulip portal]

ive been very unlucky

with drops :S

[clever sapphire]

606 veteran skardyn here

relatable

[royal lantern]

stay strong brother, 1 day we will get it

[wind totem]

Does dawnthread lining scale with the item slot and/or ilvl? I'm going to craft a dagger out of necessity and was wondering if there is any point in moving one of the dawnthread lining embelishements to it.

[clever sapphire]

skardyn is a myth, if you have it you paid off blizzard

[royal lantern]

always the same stats, embelishments dont scale

[wind totem]

I remember there were some in DF that cared what slot you made them in so I figured I'd ask

[grim jay]

Thats because of stat budget

Not the embellishment

[clever sapphire]

can you even craft dagger with dawnthread on it? in my head thread wont go on dagger anyways

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[royal lantern]

can put it on all items

[wind totem]

You can put it on the hilt.

[keen viper]

When to use shiv ? only with kingsbane window?

[gray horizon]

yes

[grim jay]

In raid ye

[gray horizon]

well, depends on scenario

[grim jay]

In m+ you use it on CD and with kb

[gray horizon]

in m+ you just kinda send it, especially if you only have 1 charge

[shadow quiver]

What spark items do we craft cant find any information on it.

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim jay]

And if you read a guide there is info

[gray horizon]

bro its LITERALLY 5 sentences above yours

[tawny chasm]

lmao

[grim jay]

[keen viper]

perfect thx

[shadow quiver]

i aint reading others messages

ty anyways

[tulip portal]

Yea poniard from delve sims beter in Topgears

[gray horizon]

man gtf outta here then

[royal lantern]

every guide says it, common man, stop making stuff up

[clever sapphire]

its only middle of the day, dont get tilted yet tryan

[grim jay]

Its indeed annoying tho

You can be lazy or clueless

But atleast dont lie

[ruby hound]

Should treacherous transmitter be active prior to death mark window? Not seeing a dps difference in sims or on dummies so trying to figure out the best time to use trinket in opener considering the mini game delay.

[gray horizon]

Guys I got enough crests for my big 636 daggy last night but then saw the cost of the mats and died a bit inside

[warm vortex]

Biggest increase so far is the void thing with 1.4% on sub st and 0.9% on assa ST

sadge

[royal lantern]

thats my secret, im always tilted

https://tenor.com/view/confused-dogs-what-german-shepard-wut-gif-17845859

[clever sapphire]

oh ik

[royal lantern]

VAULT TIME

SKARDYNS IN VAULT

LOL

HOLY SHIT

[marsh zinc]

Is the transmitter worth the struggle? In comparison to the grim batol trinket?

[clever sapphire]

we are no longer in the same boat tryan

[royal lantern]

first week sacbrood, now sradyns

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-cucumberrr-dancing-cucumber-gif-23898576

[clever sapphire]

no

imo

[crude schooner]

mythic?

[eager tree]

depends on you, not us my friend

[rotund oak]

💀 i cba man

[pliant remnant]

[clever sapphire]

a hc transmitter simmed 0.7% over my veteran skardyn

[eager tree]

i did mythic fyrakk and tindral with witherbark's so nothing phases me

[royal lantern]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grim jay]

And here I am with my myth set piece and potentially a socket

[gray horizon]

now that's a fuckin vault

[warm vortex]

Sub ST
void 1.4%
helm 0.6%
shoulder 0.6%

Assa ST
void 0.9%
helm 0.7%
shoulder 0.5%
ring 0.5%

Assa Aoe
helm 0.8%
shoulders 0.5%

im so sadge

[marsh zinc]

The branch trinket was too much for me already so I guess the transmitter is not for me

[warm vortex]

Should i just go for the myth shoulder tier piece

cause i don't have one on myth path

[rain mortar]

I’m so excited for feign to be off the GCD. Maybe I’m crazy but it feels so huge

[grim jay]

Transmitter imo less annoying than branch

[clever sapphire]

always take myth track items

unless its a dogshit trinket, or you have a crafted item on that slot

[tulip portal]

HUGE

[dry sigil]

what is the best plater template for assa?

[eager tree]

!plater

[clever sapphire]

the one you like

[prisma monolith]

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[marsh zinc]

I haven't played it yet what are the things you got to do? xD

[eager tree]

stand in a zone, jump, touch orbs

[rotund oak]

trying to perfect some highnerd goldmaking tactics now.Maximum thaumaturgy goblinism

an army of alts

[warm vortex]

Ok nevermind im so fucking tired i thought i already had shoulder tier

this was fucking incredible ac

[clever sapphire]

brain go poof

[ruby hound]

Mini game aside, is the buff for transmitter worth it?

[clever sapphire]

sim

[marsh zinc]

How do I even use it transmitter then immediately cds?

[grim jay]

its touching one slow shiny orb

and standing in a shiny void zone for 2s

[warm vortex]

Also the rogue set looks incredible

too bad i can't wear all of it nicely

[grim jay]

you need to do your task first

[grave osprey]

Hot

[eager tree]

wdym worth it? you can check sims for output and dps gain. then its up to you to think for yourself if you dont mind it

[warm vortex]

Is the 4set a big increase?

[eager tree]

nop

but if youre still asking about taking a myth piece shoulder v. not a myth piece elsewhere just take the myth piece shoulder.

[royal lantern]

41 runs with nothing man

leme have that

[ruby hound]

Yes and it’s a huge dps increase on Sim and what I’m seeing live. However, considered c tier on guides so I just want community feedback. Mini game doesn’t bother me, but if it needs to be timed specifically before the death mark window it can get tricky in an opener. I’m getting the highest dps simply using it macroed to Deathmark and completing shortly after. I assumed it would be better active before DM but I’m not seeing any increase in dps with that.

[clever sapphire]

aight you can have it, im only at like 15 with like 400 declines/delisted

[eager tree]

sounds like you have done all the work to determine if its worth it. the sims take into account your gear while community opinion doesn't. if you dont mind the mini-game i'd do it

[clever sapphire]

for me it was only 0.7% increase on base hc ilvl over a 606 veteran skardyn

how is it a huge dps for you? O.o

[ruby hound]

Trusting community feedback over my personal opinion is all..

[eager tree]

it sounds like you have sims, not personal opinion

[grim jay]

why dont you just loot it after a few runs

idk

skill issue

[clever sapphire]

its in C tier because its "annoying" to play around with (probably personal opinion) and its barely ahead of skardyns that you could just macro and forget

[uneven plume]

How many points is an 11-12?

[eager tree]

the sin rogue in RWF used it, so its definitely useable if you can get around the annoying mini-game

[uneven plume]

As me as 10-11?

[ruby hound]

My sim is giving me a big increase where others are not so I’m confused about use and if I’m timing it right. Sim has it used after DM which seems off?

[grim jay]

yeah the only thing it has going for it is that the mythic version isnt restricted to vault

but even then, you gotta get "far" into the mythic raid

and its 1.5min for sub

(for now relevant)

[spice surge]

Its also better on this weeks m+ affix

[grim jay]

oh true

[clever sapphire]

wait why is it better on that?

[grim jay]

thats kinda stupid

[grim jay]

because you get dm cdr

[spice surge]

Ability cdr

[royal lantern]

imagine taking m+ seriously

[clever sapphire]

ah ye i forgot because i never saw my cooldown get reduced

or didnt really feel like it got

[royal lantern]

espacially low keys where that shsit is active

[turbid crest]

what could you take ? the sims looks 2.7% everything

[spice surge]

Well also above +12 the affix isnt active

Hence the emote

[grim jay]

but muh weeklies

[calm grail]

What's the ability CDR like?

[clever sapphire]

you could have just sent the sim, but myth track pants since you are lacking those

[calm grail]

Is it universal or does it desync our shit?

[spice surge]

All abilties

[grim jay]

I personally, with my gear n stuff, would probably take the trinket

[turbid crest]

i play with dagger 613

i would like take this to up 639 dagger

no ?

[grim jay]

yeah you should take the dagger

if you have no crafted/mythic dagger

[turbid crest]

trinket isnt bis on M+ right ?

its aqra kara + grim batol

[marsh zinc]

Is sin good (in comparison to sub) on the last bosses?

[grim jay]

it is, depending on which sim you look at, also they all are close

[clever sapphire]

offhand doesnt matter much

and you have 636 mh crafted

[warm vortex]

No i did a massive stupid
I thought my set so far was shoudlers and hands
but it was hands and chest
so i did get four set as i had cata

[turbid crest]

So you guys would take legs ?

[grim jay]

I'd take trinket

as I said

if you dont have a mythic non-on use

[warm vortex]

But yea whats the % increase for the 4set

[turbid crest]

do u have the trinket comparaison

for M+ ST

[grim jay]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dull pulsar]

hi, what's the miniumum amount of haste you want on assa rogue ?

[normal mist]

0

Above that is good

!stats @dull pulsar

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim jay]

its within margin on ST and no other trinkets are freely obtainable on that ilvl

and bis/margin on m+

[turbid crest]

So i play This one

the cristal

[dull pulsar]

Cause I have 5% haste right now, and sims show me to get more haste

[turbid crest]

• grim batol

?

[grim jay]

ye

[dull pulsar]

for single target damage

[normal mist]

Then do it

Each profile is different

[dull pulsar]

Ok just follow the sims then i guess

It would bring me to around 9% haste

[normal mist]

Yeah that's the rule of thumb for assa rogue

[nova aspen]

we all worship the sims here

[dull pulsar]

I am used to sub rogue from last extension and this is new to me

[gleaming geyser]

double mythic bloodbound daggers dropped last night

[normal mist]

Yeah sub wants like 0 haste

[dull pulsar]

yeah

how do you sim yourself best for raid & mythic +

[normal mist]

Patchwerk for raid

Dungeonslice for m+

[dull pulsar]

1 target optimal raid buffs for both ?

Then just run the droptimizer ?

[eager tree]

dungeonslice defaults targets, you dont enter amount. patchwerk yes 1 target

i never do any raid buffs just so i can see whats higher with just the base item but do whatever you want

you wont have optimal raid buffs in m+ tho

i guess you could have a monk/warr/druid/shaman

[dull pulsar]

Nice thanks a lot bros

gonna run it now

[eager tree]

get a cup of coffee, dungeonslice droptimizer takes a bit

[dull pulsar]

So for assa it's hard to say which are the BIS gear besides trinkets I guess ?

[spring socket]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[novel storm]

Hey all, is this worth taking? Im mainly playing M+. Currently I have hero crystal and champ sikran, looking to get skardyns too. Its either this or socket from vault

[nova aspen]

when life gives u the sac, u take it

don't question

[eager tree]

sac is really good for ST so there's use cases in m+ for it at higher keys, but most people are running skardyn's and then either the mastery delve trinket, hourglass, sacbrood or dawnbreaker trinket. id take myth sacbrood over socket 100x out of 100 though

[grim jay]

brother

[dull pulsar]

How do you drop the mastery trinket ? That looks like the Sub rogue big CD ?

[grim jay]

there are like 3 trinkets

[novel storm]

Asking because I heard its sim bait and Im not sure how true that is. Im leaning towards it for sure, I also have champ delve trinket

[grim jay]

that are the same as broodsac on st

[nova aspen]

if it wasn't good, whispyr would not have it in literal S tier

[dull pulsar]

Is there a specific delve to do ?

[novel storm]

As Im really pretty much only doing M+ thats why Im wondering if its worth taking

[eager tree]

i got my ass chewed out for asking a similar question in here. your best bet is just to sim your gear. unlike other rogue specs there's no secondary we hate so even non-optimal pieces aren't that punishing

[gleaming geyser]

wym just always run with prot war, havoc DH, mistweaver and Ele shaman

[eager tree]

does havoc dh increase our nature damage? i thought itd just be monk

[novel arrow]

Are there any benefits to doing Delve Tier 9, 10, 11 etc?

[coral stratus]

Achievements

And slightly more coins cause more corrupted packs

[eager tree]

that purple void delve blimp you see in dornogal someitmes

[novel storm]

Idk, I've run multiple sims and sac doesn't perform that good according to them but I still picked it despite playing almost only M+. Hope it wasn't a mistake

[indigo crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[eager tree]

its top non-on-use trinket for ST in sims

the three above it are all on-use and you dont use two on-use

also one of the top trinkets for grim batol in m+ so high key pushers are finding use for it there too

[grim vigil]

what if i wear ascension combo +1 dawnthread lining? is one effect off or can i even equip the crafted item if i already have ascension combo

[novel storm]

Makes sense for tyra bosses... Well, I guess I should be satisfied in the end 🙂

[eager tree]

you can't equip 3 embellishments

i'm assuming 'ascension combo' means ascension and the banding that doubles the effect. that counts as 2 embellishments

[wide ferry]

Speaking of embellishments, were doin 2 woven dawnthreads, wrist and belt for bis?

[grim vigil]

yes exactly thank you, also if i have weapons can i safely craft a third crafted item like a cloak because i have champions track in that slot, or should i wait for something specific?

got mythic wep + crafted wep + crafted belt with ascension, why wouldnt i craft another one?

[eager tree]

yep if you have embellishments then crafted items can be used to fill low level slots

[grim vigil]

holy shit my rogue about to be 625 😄

rather 624

meanwhile my resto shaman main is at 618, wtf happened

[young dust]

except you do? skardyns and queen's mandate

[gentle gyro]

bruh how

[wide ferry]

i cant get into a +9 to save my life lol

[eager tree]

he said primarily m+ focused

[grim vigil]

i got 3 mythic raid items already

[eager tree]

your guild let you loot myth raid items on your alt?

[grim vigil]

i pushed resto to 2.5 so ppl invited my rogue because they saw my main i guess

bro my alt is blasting why wouldnt they let me loot

[eager tree]

oh bc most CE guilds would fall apart if they were giving loot to alts over mains

[gentle gyro]

because you may not come on it again next week / item could go to main

[grim vigil]

bro we are casual

3/8

[gentle gyro]

bro is casually outgearing RWF raiders

[stable cove]

When in an aoe situation and playing death stalker, coming out of stealth do you just press rupture and garrote on the death stalker target twice to not have to swap?

[eager tree]

i mean 3/8M is easily on track to get CE so casual or not there's a long term gearing consideration for your whole team. no skin off my nose or anything just random

[eager tree]

you have to ambush to apply mark

[stable cove]

Yeah I know I mean after you ambush

Do you 2x garrote and rupture off of the marked target

[young dust]

if i have DN active yes, garrote>garrote>rupture>rupture

[gentle gyro]

depends on pack size and how reliably you can track who your mark is on

[eager tree]

for rupture you can just hit your target twice to get 5 out. i think whispyr says you should keep spreading garrotes even over 5. your CT will also consume a stack of mark even if you arent targeting the mob

[coral ibex]

i was told that not tab targeting to spread bleeds and just using the smart cleave is fine

[urban mantle]

What is the best time to refresh garrot and rupture? I think I'm missing DPS with my decisions of the use of my combo points

[eager tree]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[young dust]

it is fine

[stable cove]

What is smart cleave

[coral ibex]

you press rupture, it applies 3 (your target +2)

[gentle gyro]

auto-targeting for the spread of your bleeds

[grim vigil]

youre right, but you can easily get like 5/8 casually and by that time its probably end of year for us and everyone has like 3 chars geared anyways

[young dust]

it applies to targets that do not have it

[coral ibex]

you press rupture again on same target, 2 more ruptures apply to non-ruptured targets

this technically "loses" 1 rupture

but you max out at 20 stacks of scent anyway

so it doesn't matter

[dark bluff]

It depends on if it's a stealth garrote/rup. If it's from stealth, let it run its course completely. If it's from out of stealth, refresh with 5 or less seconds left on both, the duration left should add on to the next reapply

that's what I've read at least and it works for me

[coral ibex]

i think that only applies to garrote

bc of imp garrote

[eager tree]

to add onto this, if youre using your vanish during your DM window at the start of a pull you can vanish and pandemic apply rupture again, itll refresh full value with imp garrote

[urban mantle]

So that Pandemic time is good. Allways try to add more time on the next garrote?

[coral ibex]

no, dont pandemic an improved garrote

[eager tree]

unless its with another improved garrote

[urban mantle]

Only out of stealth garrotes then. gotcha

[eager tree]

ie after vanishing during DM window

[young dust]

is it possible to have a macro to retarget the deathstalker's mark target?

[coral ibex]

[dark bluff]

Just put it in the big one and target back to it kek

[eager tree]

no, i have CTRL mwd to set a focus then CTRL mwu to target focus. So ill focus my CS target going into a pack then can quickly switch back without having to dig through nameplates

[coral ibex]

you should be cleaving off the most dangerous/thickest mob

[young dust]

yeah try to find it back on the first SV pull or NW pull with lust

[coral ibex]

deathstalker prio damage go brrr

[urban mantle]

When I am with stealth abilities up, with an improved garrote, it's better to farm combos with garrote over mutilate? with the 3 combos garrotes talent?

[coral ibex]

you can use plater to change the color of your deathstalker target

[young dust]

that seems good

[coral ibex]

whispyr's plater does it

!wa

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[eager tree]

use garrotes for CP until you have all your garrotes spread, then FoK, then CT, then mutilate for CS

[austere bramble]

guys does sin rogue need a ST buff?

[young dust]

i'll take a look into it, thanks

[stable cove]

At what target count does crimson tempest become worth?

[coral ibex]

2

[eager tree]

technically 1 though this discord hates to hear it

[gentle gyro]

because it SUCKS TO PLAY

[neat raptor]

When does the new rogue changes come

[coral ibex]

november

anni patch

[dark bluff]

Maybe a little bit, but I can keep up with my guild pretty well if I'm specced ST

I don't think I like the auto-thistle tea coming with the rogue changes

[coral ibex]

they could buff sin a bit but i'd rather not be OP enough to stack in raid

[limber lion]

Yes

[coral ibex]

i like being the only rogue for loot purposes

[faint tapir]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eager tree]

with this proc you can cast it in ST

[dark bluff]

yeah, it's nice sitting at around 4% played out of all classes

[grave osprey]

Yeah, it def make it harder to save teas for the next KB window, unless you keep pooling to make sure your energy doesnt drop below 30%

[limber lion]

It's not 30%

[coral ibex]

you'd have to be not talented into vicious venoms then bc you only fok if you don't have VV talented

[limber lion]

It's literally 30

[coral ibex]

with VV you always mutilate

[grave osprey]

Oh, i misread then

[wide ferry]

anyone take down zek ?? yet

[eager tree]

is anyone talented into VV and CT?

[grave osprey]

Well thats good

[coral ibex]

doubt

[eager tree]

yeah he was asking about CT

so i was guessing m+ aka hybrid build aka no VV

[coral ibex]

he was asking about CT in ST

and VV is a ST talent

[eager tree]

which means hes using the hybrid build

CT isnt a ST talent though lol, so if he has CT he doesn't have VV

[limber lion]

But you wouldn't play CT in single target

He's asking whether he should press the ability if he's talented into it

Which he will be in mythic+

But not in single target raid

[coral ibex]

oh i misread, sorry

[dark bluff]

You should have an AoE spec and a ST spec and switch back and forth depending on the fight/content

you can swap talents in raid

[coral ibex]

i dont think you do anything other than add caustic to the ST spec for a few fights tho

maybe for brood?

[cinder quartz]

most brood talents to a slight deviation to FoK, but nto full on CT

[opal chasm]

Is VV/Dashing Scoundrel posion build better for single target if your playstyle doesn't like trying to pool for Sanguine Blades?

[limber lion]

You don't pool for Sang anyways

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

But yeah you can get Dashing instead of Sang

If you're not running it already

[eager tree]

does CS work on rasha'nan yet?

[rough hull]

I got that egg sac in mythic track from the vault, sims however worse in dungeon slice than crystal from dawnbreaker and grim batol trinket. Only on patchwerk it sims better despite higher itemlevel. did i screw up my sim or is this normal? 😅

[limber lion]

I mean it works like it should

It's 10y but the hitbox of the boss is just too far away

It's likely never going to change

[faint path]

How casual doing that much damage with sub rogue lol

[royal lantern]

well, first of all

he is probs like 10-15ilvl above you

[faint path]

I mean 5 ilvl difference only

[royal lantern]

secondly, he is slightly better at the game/more optimized with cd timings

😄

[faint path]

I didn't try sub yet but I'm sure I cant do damage like him atm 😄

[eager tree]

@gloomy fern are you casualaddict? whats the rationale for sub rogue in mists?

[hexed frost]

We no longer min max tea for KB usage..just use it for energy and/or macro it with KB maybe.

Just make sure the last 8 seconds of Kb are covered by shiv (or entire KB window if running double shiv)

[urban moat]

boss

[hexed frost]

But sub on two-three target cleaves

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-be-sick-family-guy-puke-gif-14179231

[urban moat]

lol i thought i wrote in the search bar

no idea what u're talking about

[hexed frost]

I mean mists has lots of two-three target cleaves, but sub is so horrid on these cleaves

That was the reason why the outlaw in SL was absolutely giga in Mists

[faint path]

I tried sub on dummies jesus so boring

[deep gyro]

Dust sub kind of fun

[grave osprey]

Agree

[fallow marsh]

Fan of knives is good to builder for 2+ targets so long as you have caustic on a target correct?

[faint path]

Idk I love dots I feel lost when I don't have dots

[grave osprey]

Yes, on one target if you have Clear the witness proc.

[normal mist]

3+

[waxen oyster]

trickster

nimble flurry is basically bladeflurry

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/im-dead-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-bruh-skeleton-dead-im-dead-bruh-gif-26854866

Did you just say dust?

[grave osprey]

F in chat for dust

May it rip

[hexed frost]

Giga cringe. Splatter and ic supremacy

[vivid lodge]

do we spec ST on tyrannical weeks?

[hexed frost]

Not until you're doing a +20 or +30 maybe

[waxen oyster]

both tyran and fort are active all weeks

[royal lantern]

???

first, there are no "weeks" anymore

second, you still spend 80% of a dungeon NOT fighting bosses

tyranical week just translated into "you pull bigger"

[waxen oyster]

idk why people act like the trash on tyran weeks

doesnt exist

[grim jay]

maybe no week, but I for sure am weak if it comes to you

[royal lantern]

:3

[vivid lodge]

ok sorry 😄 dont beat me up

still thanks for the answers 😄

[frosty coral]

guys wtf is this vault, very rare cloak > Very rare neck > bis myth ring ? im not talking about sim bc ring is 1st

[simple yoke]

I've given up on Outlaw... my Dummy DPS is almost 300K higher with assassination... Hello my new rogue family.

[hexed frost]

Ring is giga

[tranquil stirrup]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hJsi3Bq4qzynYvBf4FT75H

[fallen arch]

Outlaw isnt rogue tho

[tranquil stirrup]

The crit/haste Mythic ring over HC last boss Trinket is the right choise , right ?

[fallen arch]

Now get rid of the yellow name and we welcome u

[tranquil stirrup]

sims 2k more ...

[simple yoke]

Kinda how I started to feel.

[tranquil stirrup]

even tho its not crit/mastery

[frosty coral]

i can't decline both very rare...

[simple yoke]

I do have a question though, am I spamming too much, if I'm getting energy drought even with thistle tea?

I get to a point where i'm waiting 1-2 seconds before I can envenom

[frosty coral]

in st or aoe ?

[simple yoke]

ST

[tired gull]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[simple yoke]

AoE with Fan I'm assuming Energy doesn't exist

All right, i will keep this in mind, because I think the times I can't hit envemon hurt dps more so than not hitting mutilate

So thank you for clarification

[frosty coral]

mostly because of Venomous Wounds talent energy isnt an issue in aoe

[simple yoke]

ahhh okay coool

do we take the AoE dot for multi target?

it looks good but Idk if I'm falling for a noob sin bait talent

[fickle lotus]

Are yall holding deathmark for vanish to come off cd for imp garrote? It's about 5-8seconds of holding but wondering if it's worth it

[limber lion]

It is worth it yes

As long as you don't miss out on a cast because of it

but yeah generally a safe bet

[frosty coral]

crimson tempest ?

[simple yoke]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Always take CT for aoe

And mythic+

2 targets+

[simple yoke]

Cool cool, Just wanted to be sure, I wasn't falling for some blizzard bait lol

[frosty coral]

i take it only on ovi nax in this raid

[fickle lotus]

I don't think there is a single encounter I take ct on cause spatter just does all the heavy lifting

[spice spire]

Doesn’t mean it’s not worth taking.

[tired gull]

my guild isn't even to heroic ovinax yet, so i just run spatter in the entire raid (non st ofc)

[fickle lotus]

if it's a worse option than just pumping into a target with caustic then I would think that makes it not worth taking

[spice surge]

CT is good on ovinax

[spice spire]

Why would it be worse

[clever sapphire]

dont get jebaited and take spatter on rashanan

[tired gull]

and rash

😄

[spice surge]

If you can get the +dmg from hitting multiple targets, ct is good even for ST

For example on the affix we had the first week

[quaint hull]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

Unethical padder eleem

[spice surge]

You could CT while the orbs are up and get the +100% dmg to your CT on the boss

[spice spire]

Damn

[fickle lotus]

i mean only 31 assa rogues have killed mythic ovi and even then only 25% of them are taking CT

[gray horizon]

It'll be 32 after tonight

[fickle lotus]

(that have public logs)

[fickle lotus]

zl gamer

[nimble tartan]

sin is chilll

[spice surge]

Well just because theyve killed the boss doesnt mean they played optimal talents, they could be missing 3% dps and still kill the boss just fine

[gray horizon]

Debating on if i should throw ascendance on my daggy when i craft it or just stick with double dawn. It's like a 3k dps difference, doesn't seem worth if i'll be doing keys

[spice surge]

Like how only 55% of them have longer cloak specced in deathstalker, thats ~1.5% that the other 45% are missing because they dont have the bugged flensing knives

[stable cove]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gray horizon]

wait what

i was wondering why people were taking the longer cloak

[novel star]

ya

[limber lion]

it gives damage :)

[novel star]

flensing knives didn’t really get deleted from beta

[gray horizon]

!!!

where is this info

[spice spire]

6 of the top ten ran CT as well,
Which is kind of statistically impressive

[gray horizon]

cuz this is sick

[novel star]

it just activates when u take that for no reason

[spice spire]

Since only what

[novel star]

it’s not intentional

[spice spire]

7.66 total ran CT?

[novel star]

but they aren’t fixing it

[vast loom]

wait what

[novel star]

so like

unless you really need bait and switch in raid which you prolly don’t

[fickle lotus]

most/all of those are pre add health nerf

[novel star]

take the free 1.5

[tired gull]

wait what is flensing knives?

[nimble tartan]

i didnt know thanks!

ill take that

[novel star]

some auto damage buff shit from beta

that was supposed to be removed

[waxen oyster]

talent that got axed in beta

for fatal intent

[novel star]

but it activates on live when you take extra cloak duration

[tired gull]

that's wild

[novel star]

i think it’s auto dam anyway

[nimble tartan]

chat do we have to play around that talent if we pick it thats like above 50% your bleeds duplicate and take energy

[novel star]

idk

[nimble tartan]

or can i friggin envenom uptime maxxx

[novel star]

you play around it by intentionally avoiding it

because it’s bad

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

stealing your energy = less finishers = less marks

[spice spire]

Yeah and just looking at lolae (my actual factual goat) slammed boss dam with it

It’s good ST if you hit other things still.

[nimble tartan]

ok cool thanks

was seein decent amount of st sin logs not even running vicious venoms

i dont like this energy talent im gonna swap

[novel star]

builds are very close together you can kinda run whatever

venoms is most relaxing

cus u just hold vanish forever

to fix mark scuffs

[nimble tartan]

trueee

[simple yoke]

I'm missing something, I didn't know vanish and fixing mark cooldowns was a thing, how does that work?

[tired gull]

if for some weird reason you lose your mark, you can just vanish->ambush to get it back

[simple yoke]

mmmm okay okay, I understand.

[clever sapphire]

since if you play vicious venoms over imp garrote you got no reason to vanish really

[gray horizon]

for example, when a boss fucks off

[clever sapphire]

so you can just hold vanish forever

[gray horizon]

like silken court

you can reapply your mark so much easier

[tired gull]

or if you want to swap mark to a diff target but have 2 or 3 stacks still

[clever sapphire]

like silken court

[novel star]

fuck court man

[clever sapphire]

[novel star]

that shit is so annoying

[clever sapphire]

man last time i was there on hc, i legit minmaxed the shit out of mark

[novel star]

i almost went fatebound

[clever sapphire]

i hit perfect timings every dps phase

and always had DN up to swap targets

feels good when it works out

[tired gull]

watching and understanding RWF this time around really made me appreciate how precise they get with CD timings for specific phases and what not

[novel star]

[clever sapphire]

and then you get to the boss

and its all YOOLOOOOO

[tired gull]

LOL yep

the timeline addon liquid has access to is insane

i need to build one

[novel star]

surely i progress ever

[fickle lotus]

99% of the time they have dudes in the background helping them out with that to line things up correctly it's pretty kewl

[tired gull]

yep, their planning is top tier fs

[clever sapphire]

next season is my season surely (i kinda just quit my guild recently xd)

[fickle lotus]

very jealous of the weakaura liquid had that would like you create callouts for cd's using a timeline of the boss fight you just did

[tired gull]

"1 mage use cooldowns at this phase of fight, other mage save for the next phase" just to barely beat the timer of a specific thing

[spice surge]

Ye that being proprietary sucks, i would love to use it but im too dumb/lazy to make a version of it

[tawny geyser]

How's this trinket guys? Is it shit?

[spice surge]

Its fine

[simple yoke]

Passed on it from vault, going to go for BiS this weekend and spam mythics

[tawny geyser]

I mean I got Skardyns and Spyglass, idk this beats it...but still keeping it tho.

[simple yoke]

oh for sure, keep everything you never know when they'll just decided to buff something

[half tartan]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[twilit quiver]

guys, i normally wouldn't ask this question - simmed myself already but cant decide.

Vault options:
a) Ara-Kara trinket (619)
b) Sureki Zealot's Insignia (626) (the necklace)

Sim tells me Sureki is a 13k dps increase, trinket only 3k.

I play exclusively M+.

What would you pick? I am hesitant cuz I heard the trinket is really good, I can still upgrade it to 626, too. Tier lists say it isn't even the best compared to spyglass & skardyn's.

[novel moss]

I got Sacbrood in vault 623 but meh i dont raid so seems kinda meh to take xD

[simple yoke]

Neck is good but it's also haste heavy as bananas

[novel moss]

From what ive just researched sacbrood is only good for ST tbh for M+ id say its kinda rip

[iron valve]

what trinket would it be replacing?

[twilit quiver]

trinkets atm are:

1. empowering crystal of anub'ikkaj (606)
2. Sikran's Endless Arsenal (606)

thanks for the insights so far!

Neck is 603, Long-Lost Choker (Crit Verse, so garbage i guess)

[kindred cobalt]

best vault ever

[frigid cedar]

Hi, please advice M chest crit mastery, Rare HC neck drop high haste low mastery

[novel star]

shouldn’t really look at stats too much like that just sim it

[frigid cedar]

neck is highest buuuuuut its prob because im using 606 ilvl one currently, and chest i have tier one at 616

[novel star]

neck is also just insane

it’s about the proc

[teal lark]

guys how do you use skardyn trinket? on macro with deathmark or kings bane?

[novel star]

we like all stats

neck has more stats than any other neck

[frigid cedar]

i dont see top rogues on raiderio that would use that neck though

[novel star]

because it has a stat proc

[coral ibex]

its very rare

[novel star]

because it’s a very rare drop

you cant just get it

it’s uncommon

[clever sapphire]

macro to dm, call it a day

[frigid cedar]

would u mind if i would send you my char stats in dm to ask ur opinnion on couple of things?

[novel star]

no

no one looks at stats

sim it on raidbots

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice spire]

Trust me

You’ll be happier

Disregarding

And doing the thing

[lethal arrow]

are you free to help me review a log 🙂

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m always free

This is America 🇺🇸

[novel star]

no one is going to outsmart the sim by looking at stats

[spice spire]

But yeah I can

[grim jay]

hi free, I'm kitten

[iron valve]

are you free tonight? 👉👈

[spice spire]

Just post and I’ll get a greenie to thread

[lethal arrow]

kk ty

[spice spire]

Have raid tonight sorry homie

[orchid wind]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, Sanguine Blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play Vicious Venoms instead of Sanguine Blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more Envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice spire]

Just need to change ur server name

[grim jay]

no I cant, homies wont recognize me

and will tell me that I changed

[novel star]

kittyn

[spice spire]

You changed

[lethal arrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QyafRCwcgJrVtN3G#fight=165&type=damage-done&source=2620

[spice spire]

@slate crown @silk bane hi

[normal mist]

Bro what a W

[spice spire]

May I ask for assistance in creating a thread

[normal mist]

I got you big dog

[spice spire]

Ty royal

[distant lion]

Hey guys is there any written resource to see the best meld cheeses for dungeons right now. I have learned a few already myself curious though if its already been put together somewhere though. Thanks!

[normal mist]

There was something yess

Let me see if I find it

[distant lion]

king

[normal mist]

#wow-general message

[distant lion]

Wow thanks this is perfect

[normal mist]

Props to bluenessie

[random fossil]

oh my rod

[slate crown]

Crash Log Review

[thorn fjord]

Got my first mythic dagger last night

Good timesx

hopefully another one drops next week

I cant play the optimal build because i unga bunga like a mfer lolol... Only build i can stay competetive on the meters with is the imp poison/sang build

[normal mist]

@slate crown I already did it xd

[thorn fjord]

Game is hard

[graceful umbra]

qq, when crafting the belt/wrists, do you use the custom stats to fill or just go with crit/mast?

[normal mist]

You can sim it or you can go ""safe"" with CRIT mastery

[outer marten]

So how does log review work? I'm doing decently, but curious to see what I can do to improve

[graceful umbra]

sounds good, ty

[tulip portal]

Why does this discord have a Warrior thread?

[normal mist]

Wdym

[slate crown]

oh ok

[tulip portal]

Outlaw

[normal mist]

LOL

Good one

[outer marten]

lmao

[tulip portal]

Got em

[leaden cypress]

is double vanish big dps loss compared to reprimand in m+?

[tulip portal]

Im wondering as well

[thorn fjord]

Dont play double vanish

its doodoo

[tulip portal]

Ok sir

[leaden cypress]

in mists when mobs dont die just became friendly its pretty annoying to not have dmg when vanish on cd

[thorn fjord]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[leaden cypress]

man

[spice spire]

You only have one of those mobs don’t you

[leaden cypress]

ik that restealths doesnt matter that much, talking about annoying deatstalker mark swapping

[spice spire]

It’s like the first pull isn’t it

[leaden cypress]

on boss as well

[spice spire]

Oh

[misty torrent]

Weapon enchants = Authority of Storm because it's nature? Or Depths because...???

[spice spire]

I just hold DN when it’s close

[spice spire]

Depths

Does more dam

[thorn fjord]

Depths R3 finally dropping in price

[spice spire]

Trinkets and enchants are white listed on our interaction

[outer marten]

With our AS, depths just does more dam because of ramping

[thorn fjord]

25k each last night

[pulsar sluice]

hello guys i wanna ask you about kingsbane. how many stack should i have for it at least can you give me a number ?

[thorn fjord]

2105 stacks

[pulsar sluice]

may i get a real answer ?

[haughty lantern]

LEGITIMATELY as many as you can get

when you kingsbane, you burn the midnight oil. burn CDs, get the stack as high as you can

[pulsar sluice]

how many you get avarage i mean i wonder if i am underperforming or not