assassination

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

tea for energy

[sudden bane]

My sims are weighing Haste alot higher than crit atm, is that to be trusted?

[balmy condor]

yep

[sudden bane]

Ok awesome

[hallow pelican]

at what point are we overcapping on haste again? 40%?

[sudden bane]

So it actually Haste > Mastery > Crit > verse

[balmy condor]

no

[sudden bane]

Still mast?

[balmy condor]

126% is the gear cap

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[novel star]

it’s actually nothing because we like all stats so stat prio is fake

[sudden bane]

Ty

[novel star]

any stat could be your highest prio stat with different gear sets

[balmy condor]

my sims want me to gem vers

[novel star]

based

[hallow pelican]

those lying bastards ....

[balmy condor]

yeah surely sims are lying

or maybe guide writers are lying

[sudden bane]

Well i have about 2x haste of my crit and my haste is still simming higher so that would make haste better in almost all situation, i get that with diminishing returns at some point that isnt true

[balmy condor]

maybe everyone is lying

[sudden bane]

But generally it is

[royal lantern]

my sim tells me to enchant Vers

[raven egret]

Whaaaa, stat balance may depend based on context and current gear someone has!?? No waaayyyyyyyyy

[hallow pelican]

so truth is unobtainable and why are we bothering?

[novel star]

if your sim told you to jump off a bridge would you do it

[royal lantern]

yes

[normal mist]

IF it simmed better

[novel star]

fuck

[royal lantern]

cus no work tomorrow then

[novel star]

what if dying was like being frozen in time

and forever you ssee the last irl frame before u died

with the same thoughts and such

[normal mist]

I'd be a pretty happy dude

[novel star]

I should sleep more

[royal lantern]

what if dying turned you into a discord mod

[novel star]

fat?

[royal lantern]

and ravenholdt spec channels are pugatory

[normal mist]

uh oh

https://tenor.com/view/the-little-mermaid-sebastian-he-knows-horrified-gif-26340120

[royal lantern]

i spelled purgatory wrong there

but pugatory fits for wow tbh

[balmy condor]

true

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/in-love-tired-exhausted-dog-pug-gif-25523786

what’s up with these useless animals

they look like the little alien dogs in half life

too flat

[normal mist]

LOOKS AMAZINGLY HAPPY AND COZY

[novel star]

cute but useless

[normal mist]

NO U

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-pug-tongue-out-flicking-gif-24934981

just utterly worthless

look at it

[keen spruce]

poog

[hallow pelican]

its my spirit animal

[keen spruce]

i love poogs

[novel star]

life is so beautiful man

what a peaceful creature

[keen spruce]

i just wanna pick em up

and

like in men in black

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/pug-vergonha-zap-gif-18058110001077175854

[calm tendon]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[torn ruin]

TIL if 2 daggers drop and you win the first, you can lose the 2nd to trangmog over need 😦

[novel star]

well yeah

offhand ilvl pretty fake

[sharp estuary]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

that’s how it should be

[static fossil]

Are the fuu sims for m+ assa up to date ?

[mint valve]

does caustic spatter splash off of your target or is it based off of your positioning?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

off target

[mild spoke]

Hi guys what do you think about playing ct on mythic ovinax

[keen spruce]

yes

[raven egret]

maybe

[mild spoke]

Okay but what is batter to drop Improved Garrote+improved poison or improved garrote+sanguine blades?

[novel star]

whatever sims best for your character

talents are quite close right now

[sharp estuary]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[novel star]

i personally am biased towards not playing sanguine or imp gar because i don’t like the gameplay introduced by either of them

but that’s just me and minmax wise builds will sim different for everyone rn cause they’re so close

[raven egret]

thats also why I said 'maybe' to CT on ovi, it really depends on your guild strat, adds stacking, and rest of your group (if you got like several fury warriors, you might get way less value out of CT)

[novel star]

the damage profile differences that exist between builds also don’t really matter on her right

no like shield break dps check or anything

[keen spruce]

even if u just CT big spooders it's good value

[novel star]

just kinda patchwerk with adds

[keen spruce]

and the fUnNeL

[raven egret]

Did you say... FUnnEL!?

[slate crown]

can't spell funnel without fun

and nel, i guess

[hallow pelican]

Is Sudden Demise worth it on Broodtwister?

or just take spatter and be done with it

[spice surge]

No

[brisk path]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[raven egret]

abolutely not

[balmy condor]

don't play sanguine

[mild spoke]

My sims results show that it is better to remove improved garote+improved poisons

[vale knoll]

finally 😦

[nova aspen]

it exists

[raven egret]

Grats

but also

I hate you

and this is photoshopped

[nova aspen]

it only took 19 runs

[raven egret]

... I'm at 45

[nova aspen]

[coral ibex]

mfw

i love grim batol

and tanks that ignore the drake run

[mint valve]

its best to do

grim batol spam

as outlaw loot spec right?

since youre taking the dagger out of the loot table?

[coral ibex]

no idea

[crude sequoia]

what are the odds lmao

[coral ibex]

i’ve seen the trinket drop once

as WUE

to someone else

[raven egret]

Lies, impossible!

[gleaming spire]

This one?

[placid adder]

get banned

[nova aspen]

wow that vault is nasty

[vital ermine]

how much haste should i have unbuffed?

[vale lantern]

how much do you want

[vital ermine]

i don't know lol

[vale lantern]

how much do you a person want

[vital ermine]

is there a requirement to make the rotation work?

[vale lantern]

no theres no requirement

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[vital ermine]

i just read the wowhead guide saying i should make sure i should get the haste cap before doing crit and mastery

[spice surge]

Im 100% sure it doesnt say that

[short comet]

Bros reading outlaw

[keen spruce]

#outlaw

[vital ermine]

ah sorry

yes i was playing outlaw alot and i thought i read that somewhere in assassination

my fault

[keen spruce]

all g king

[vale lantern]

us assassin rogues just vibing out here not worry about caps 😄 just sim every piece of gear

[vital ermine]

yeah i guess it was weird because my sim was recommending i get haste gem instead of the crit and mastery gem

[west crown]

How many wow tokens do I have to buy to get this kind of vault

[vital ermine]

so i thought maybe there was a haste cap as well

[keen spruce]

assas stats are very dynamic

[grim jay]

Nothing weird about that

[keen spruce]

it'll want you to grab different stuff all the tiem

[vale lantern]

17

[grim jay]

I thought 31

[keen spruce]

at least 2 more than the number that you've bought

or are planning to buy

[tired panther]

Can someone give me a quick run-down why people play sub over assa for raiding and M+? Is Sub more bursty on demand?

[vale lantern]

suddenly its now 62

[grim jay]

Surely they dont do so for m+

[vital ermine]

whaaattt.... i just switched from outlaw to assass because i thought assass was the way to go

[keen spruce]

THEY DON'T

sry caps

they don't

[slate crown]

Because I like sub

[vale lantern]

honestly all 3 specs are good just play what you like best

[slate crown]

sometimes

it ain't that deep

I like sub

I like sin

so i play both

[tired panther]

Assas is the way to go for me as well - I'm just looking at RTWF and they're playing sub, and pumping ofc

[keen spruce]

they played both specs

in the race

[vale lantern]

Sub CD's just lined up better for the queen fight im pretty sure

[slate crown]

Often their decision is based on how cooldown windows align

almost always, actually

[keen spruce]

also RWF is often not the best place to decide on these things

[vital ermine]

well i'm definitely getting better numbers playing assassin than outlaw. Outlaw feels a bit weak

[slate crown]

where does that fight specifically demand burst with that specific comp

[keen spruce]

especially when the class isn't being stacks because op

[vital ermine]

never tried sub yet this season

[slate crown]

and yeah, it shouldn't weigh on your decision

[tired panther]

I know, just looking for quick pro/con - Assa is ofc very good at cleave damage and very often, with cooldowns good too, but Sub looks bursty?

[keen spruce]

like this tier rogue was very much a role-filler

exile played sub basically as a p1 dmg bot on ansurek

[tulip trout]

Hi is there a good place to go for log reviews? been a while since ive been here

[abstract parrot]

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fZ4GQPnMDqALb3yx#fight=22&type=damage-done&source=2
Anyone can do some tip. Please, thanks.

[grim jay]

And the gear they got also just works for sub. Raid stuff has pretty good sub stats, including transmitter as a trinket. Kush also is a sub player at heart for example

[keen spruce]

played assas on other fights cuz it was the only thing that could press feint and not lose all of his damage

it's just

not data that's really relevant

for mortals

[cyan summit]

when do we need vers ?

[keen spruce]

if they're bringing multiple rogues and they're all playing the same spec

then maye

maybe

[cyan summit]

at m+ 13 or more ?

[tired panther]

I was thinking damage windows as well, cheers

[grim jay]

When the sim tells you to get vers

[cyan summit]

sims dont calculate defensiveness

[hollow vessel]

hey, do we use crimson tempest against 1 target?

[grim jay]

If you have survivability issues you dont feint enough

[keen spruce]

normally just post a log and try to get someone smart to notice. them somone will make a thread eventually

sometimes takes a few tries

[cyan summit]

do u play with cheat death ?

[grim jay]

No

[slate crown]

If you want to be cringe about it, use CT on ST when you have Momentum of Despair up. If you don't want to be cringe, don't use CT in ST, it's really not that big of a deal to use it.

[keen spruce]

they should just hard code that out of the sims

[tulip trout]

Swag Ty

[slate crown]

It requires you track something you wouldn't otherwise track for extremely minor gains

[keen spruce]

[hollow vessel]

thank uu

[grim jay]

What? The CT thing?

[keen spruce]

yes lol

[grim jay]

I sometimes do it in m+ if I feel fancy

And FoK crits

[cyan summit]

when u aska question in the rouge comunity = just sim / go check guide

[keen spruce]

if the answer is in one of those two places

yes

[cyan summit]

its not

[proven jasper]

it do be that easy

[keen spruce]

wuts not

[grim jay]

Just madly stacking vers for survivability is a meme

Might aswell play a vers spec

[keen spruce]

oh the vers question

yeah just don't do that

[cyan summit]

so having 1 % vers is ok ? @grim jay when doing +13

[proven jasper]

me rn

[keen spruce]

if you're in rank one keys and you want to make specific gearing decisions for specific dungeons / situations

then ur probably not askin ravenholdt

about it

if you're not

then don't stack vers

play elus

press feint

don't stand in shit

get more stam

[grim jay]

If the sim tells you it is, surely. If you play elusiveness like you are supposed to, you will naturally take little damage. I usually take the least damage out of all the people in my group

Deathstalker even adds more survivability

[cyan summit]

what keys u playing on ?

[grim jay]

Currently mostly 11s

Bcs my group aint pushing

[cyan summit]

im doing fine till i tried m+ 13 stone vault , used fient twice but still getting 1 shotted by first boss

[keen spruce]

no one has done a +13 stone vault

[grim jay]

13s generally arent well doable rn

[keen spruce]

so stacking vers is not going to help you there

[waxen anchor]

!pool

[proven jasper]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[keen spruce]

here rank 1 ARAK key with rogue

crit mast gems

and normal statting

I feel like we are giving u the answer and u just dont like it

[balmy condor]

farm key obviously

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

just wait till +14

then he'll change all his shit to vers

SURELY

[minor gate]

need to farm grim

🤮

[keen spruce]

i'm watchin my friend's do grimmy B and it look k

[cursive cloak]

Checking my wow analyzer and a few of my envenoms are bad casts bc it say's ''don't need to pandemic rupture'' what does that mean? is it that I cast envenom when I should have refreshed rupture?

[earnest remnant]

nah only happens on +15s sorry

i did the math

[keen spruce]

analyzer not updated

not maintained currently*

or somethin

[balmy condor]

it is

[keen spruce]

evenom logic kinds goofy

[grim jay]

Mr math, what about swapping to duskthread on sin?

[keen spruce]

rly?

[grim jay]

15s or 16s?

[keen spruce]

[balmy condor]

but no one knows who the guy is that's maintaining it

[keen spruce]

who's updatin it

oh

[cyan summit]

when do u think it will be ?\

[cursive cloak]

oh fair

[balmy condor]

bro just randomly tossed out a bunch of shit

[keen spruce]

a mystery philanthopist

[balmy condor]

and then like

idk

it looks fine

[cyan summit]

do u need full myth gear to do 13 stone vaut ?

[balmy condor]

but wowanalyzer is very far away from being good

[keen spruce]

very likely

[balmy condor]

we'll see what our mystery person does

[keen spruce]

since literally no one has timed one yet

[grim jay]

I mean people are missing like 10-15 ilvl to be close to fully geared

[keen spruce]

so w/e gear the best m+ players have rn is not enough

[balmy condor]

makes sense

[hidden meadow]

What would you suggest an aspiring assa blaster should do in order to improve in mythic raid environments?

[minor gate]

what are peoples talents looking like for first boss mythic

[cyan summit]

damn... how much vers we will need later u think ?

[balmy condor]

learn to read you own logs

[balmy condor]

it's sarcasm lil bro

[keen spruce]

Does sultanos have me blocked or soemthing

I typed so much

and i'm getting donowalled

[balmy condor]

he's allergic to reading sometimes

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

Check if you can react on a message

[balmy condor]

is that my cat

[cursive cloak]

Okay in terms of reading/analyzing your own logs, how do you analyze your own kingsbane windows?

[cursive zephyr]

hey quick question for single target, if you are talented death stalker and sanguine blades are you pooling above 50% energy entire fight or is sanguine only used during deathmark window?

[grim jay]

Wdym that

[balmy condor]

did you shiv->kingsbane->shiv 8 seconds later?
did you spam you energy away during shivs?
did you tea during the shiv for energy?

then you did gud

[grim jay]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[abstract parrot]

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fZ4GQPnMDqALb3yx#fight=22&type=damage-done&source=2
Anyone can do some tip. Please, thanks.

[balmy condor]

shmeeps just emoted my cat bruh

[grim jay]

Oh that message wasnt on screen bcs phone

Imagine having a famous cat

If it sims higher and you have one

[cursive cloak]

I still use a delv trinket, my trinket pulls have been down bad this tier

[balmy condor]

press your cooldowns man it's nearly a 7 min fight and you pressed shiv 6 times

[abstract parrot]

D: true, thanks for the tip

[keen spruce]

@cyan summit

1. There have only been 41 +13 keys timed worldwide in any dungeon. None of those were Stone Vaults (in fact only 7 +12 SVs have been timed). The only rogue to have done a +12 stonevault has normal gear and statting

2. Assas has basically never moved into vers for the purpose of survivability in 99% of situations because the tradeoff to your damage is often too great at the level where you would consider it.

3. it's very early in the season and there is a LOT of gearing still to be done before actual pushing will be done in keys. a bunch of stamina and main stat on yourself and your healers goes a long way.

4. theorizing about when +13s will be farmable is just a wild ass guess from anyone that responds because how the heck would anyone know that.

5. dont' stack vers

[abstract parrot]

something more i need fix?

[keen spruce]

not pressing your CDs

is always gonna be the biggest thing

[undone pollen]

I rolled the hero trinket from dawnbreaker and it’s simming higher than sacbrood. Is this just because of my gear stats or was the nerf to sacbrood enough to change the tier?

[keen spruce]

by a mile

unless you're just hot hittin the boss

[balmy condor]

I mean there's a bunch of tea casts outside of shivs, but really the main thing is that every cooldown sequence was missing shivs, missing casts of kingsbane, you didn't have your mark going into the add phase

[keen spruce]

normal

bis list is for max ilvl

[grim jay]

There are many close trinkets

[balmy condor]

it's cause it's a good trinket

[abstract parrot]

Ok i need practice it, thanks.

[cursive cloak]

What helped me the most was literally an hour on dummies, log it, and just get the rotation/muscle memory down. I gained the most from practicing the rotation on the 2 min CD window.

[undone pollen]

No doubt but it’s the same ilvl as my sacbrood, I just didn’t expect it to sim lower

[abstract parrot]

In dumy my rotation in boss dumy is 640k DPS ~ in 2 minutes

[minor gate]

since when did our deathstalker build not take the garrote talents?

[balmy condor]

second of july, build 55399

[cursive cloak]

Also if you're missing your second shiv in KB https://wago.io/OtohaQlq-/3 that wa helped me with timings of the second shiv etc

[minor gate]

i copied this from wowhead

[balmy condor]

what is "this"

[minor gate]

this

im bafled

[balmy condor]

sure, that's one of the ways to talent

[grim jay]

Looks fine

[sudden brook]

Sin plays literally random talents

[abstract parrot]

Ok i will use i thanks

[spice spire]

Pin from 15 days ago

Explains

The bit

[balmy condor]

well

explains why some people play imp gar I guess

if it weren't for that bug we would never play imp gar

[mint valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

and then guy would stop bitching

but alas, bugs

[minor gate]

ah

[keen spruce]

[minor gate]

so i wasnt being dyslexic or something

[balmy condor]

build is fine

ER fix = imp gar equal to regular build

regular build = no imp gar

if they fix the bug they introduced alongside ER fix = imp gar bad

but because new bug = imp gar okay

[grim jay]

Imp garr without ss is fun

[safe shale]

Just found this today is it any good?

[cursive cloak]

very good

[grim jay]

Hes trolling

[minor gate]

look i was as confused as you are

[balmy condor]

F tier trinket I think you should disenchant

[grim jay]

But im not confused

[safe shale]

Good advice, will do ty

[balmy condor]

okay grandpa lets get you back inside

you start saying things in your delirium

I'm sure you're not confused

[grim jay]

Ima go back inside you if you sass me again

[balmy condor]

I didn't sass you

you're just confused, remember?

[grim jay]

[bronze pike]

[grim jay]

I really feel old today tho

[balmy condor]

oh buddy you don't just FEEL old

I theorycrafted this

you just are old

[grim jay]

dang netflix recommended me asian budget starwars

[manic quartz]

what bug 😮

[balmy condor]

hopefully fix now that race is over maybe

idk I'm coping

it's dogshit

[worthy surge]

hello all can someone link a good plater profile to track uptimes on bleeds for mythic plus with all colour plates ect like naowhs or quazis

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

there's two here

mine has quazi's colors if you're used to those

[worthy surge]

Thanks whispyr and yes i am !

[worthy sparrow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen spruce]

abandoned the recolor project?

[balmy condor]

what

[worthy surge]

omg this is perfect thanks very much !

[keen spruce]

so not quazii colors then. whispyr colors

[balmy condor]

well yes but no

[worthy surge]

quick question @balmy condor would i be trying to keep up the 20 stacks of scented blood as much as i can in m+ ?

[balmy condor]

it's quazii colors then but I changed them slightly to better fit

[balmy condor]

yesn't

[runic hinge]

I'm tired now

[balmy condor]

it's a good number to aim for definitely

[runic hinge]

why did i get day drunk on raid day

[balmy condor]

but it's not required and in some situations you should just be spamming envenoms

for caustic

like it's a balance right

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce you did this to me

[keen spruce]

i feel like u answered your own question

[balmy condor]

sometimes the pull is quick, so you just get out some bleeds for energy and then slam envenoms

if it's a really long pull, probably good idea to get 20 stacks

you just gotta play it by pack

[worthy surge]

yeah cool cause my tank chain pulls and im just getting used to it after watching your video on the trying to re stealth ect . is all

[balmy condor]

yeah main thing for that is just be proactive on the chain

you should have ruptures out on the previous pack

so those will give you some burst of energy as things die

(or ideally, just give energy cause the mob isn't at 5% hp when the tank chains, but I know how pugs are)

[worthy surge]

pugs are intresting.

[balmy condor]

and then that pushes you into the next pack with a couple ruptures

and you just kinda move your ruptures forward into the new pack

if that makes sense

[worthy surge]

yeah it does thanks alot

[runic hinge]

i just fucked up so hard on this dumb ass boss

idk what you guys are doing

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

do not look at my second dm

[arctic socket]

Parse up

[grim jay]

Now I will

[runic hinge]

I'm too hungover for this raid

[arctic socket]

Must be nice able to raid

Haven’t had power since Friday

Fuck this hurricane

[runic hinge]

we're missing 2 bc they dont have power

[keen spruce]

the hurricane rained on me a little bit in mexico and I couldn't swim

[hidden meadow]

What is the reason we use thistle tea on our second shiv in our opener? Mastery buff when we are ramped the most?

[keen spruce]

truly devestating

[runic hinge]

no, its for energy during tea

i mean shiv

ffs

brain pls work

[hidden meadow]

I dunno i never feel starved during kingsbane, im clearly doing something wrong

[arctic socket]

[runic hinge]

i think boss went outta range, it kinda got ugly

[rugged venture]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax Cannot be applied to weapons above 610 item level
Some more caveats:

• If it's a bug and we're supposed to be able to apply it, its roughly on par with whetstones.
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lime parrot]

27 runs guys

[nocturne quail]

can someone settle a debate

do we/nature dam in general proc last boss ring more than other classes ?

[balmy condor]

no

well

yes technically

[sudden brook]

The procs are PPM so as long as ur class does them in a reasonable interval it doesn't matter much

[balmy condor]

but not us specifically

[proud pelican]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

this part is accurate

it does give additional doses

[nocturne quail]

but we easily hit the max ppm ?

[balmy condor]

but it's a very small amount of additional doses

yes

[nocturne quail]

sick ty

[balmy condor]

you could remove a good 95% of your poison procs

and it would still max it out

[coral ibex]

is the bottle flaywing trinket just undertuned? or does it not count as poison for assa

[balmy condor]

envenom alone probably does it

[coral ibex]

at a glance it looks really good

[balmy condor]

trinkets/items do not interact with specs

game-wide

[sudden brook]

wellllllllllllllllllllllll

They shouldnt

Some still do

[balmy condor]

yeah there's exceptions

[sudden brook]

Like aff warlock and mad queens mandate

[balmy condor]

but baseline rule

just because your trinket says poison

does not make it a poison

in the assa sense of the word

[coral ibex]

i see

that sucks

[earnest remnant]

sub and mandate

[balmy condor]

it would make trinkets impossible to tune

like if flayedwing counted as a poison for assa

it would be instantly doing like over double the damage compared to any other spec

you just can't balance items like that

[indigo mulch]

You could.

If your stupid.

[runic hinge]

my stupid what

[indigo mulch]

I don't mind being op.

Again imagian having this super duper op trinket and your class is balanced around it.

cough cough s2 demo warlocks

So fun when you lose that trinket

[nova kelp]

If they did as a matter of purpose then it would likely be a situation where everyone gets an expac leggo or some shit

but also

fuck that

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Blizzard tuning specs to be within 5%

And then just throwing a wrench into the whole thing by making trinkets that randomly are like 3% better for some specs

[indigo mulch]

I wouldnt mind seeing sin getting some addition love in the ST department though.

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[indigo mulch]

Feels so good in m+ when your just blastin then you go into raid and do a 99 and your're being beat by a green logging DK.

[balmy condor]

The reasonably easy thing to do atm is nerf caustic and aura buff the whole thing

[indigo mulch]

Yup

Agreed.

I don't think we will see anything like that until s2 though.

[balmy condor]

Eh, race is over

[clever perch]

After killing Ovi'nax mythic is worth to reroll from assa to subt for the last 3?

[balmy condor]

Think it’s reasonable we see some thing

[balmy condor]

Sure yeah

[indigo mulch]

I mean you can still play sin on the last 3 😒

[nova kelp]

It feels weird though when classes that have multiple dps specs have their identity baked into dps profile, while classes with few or one spec tuned for dps can and often currently DO do mutiple profiles at once...

[balmy condor]

Assa still is fine on last 3 but if you’re min maxing then sure

[nova kelp]

Not saying it's a PROBLEM but it is odd

[balmy condor]

The weirder thing to me is that assa seems to just be stealing stuff from the other two specs to make itself function

[clever perch]

yea wanna get my rog ready for last 3 on mythic

for next week

[indigo mulch]

I mean soon we'll get an AoE burst finisher

😄

[balmy condor]

Darkest night and deathstalker ends up just being budget sectec

Caustic ends up being blade flurry

We’re like living in this twilight zone

Where we try to do the burst of sub but with the aoe identity of outlaw

[nova kelp]

they're just gearing us up to the point where they add dance to sin, remove sub, and add "bard" as a rogue spec

[balmy condor]

It’s plenty strong and it works but idk, please make the dot spec dots

[nova kelp]

rofl

[balmy condor]

:3

[indigo mulch]

What i'm so confused about is that, for the longest time. Assassination has always been the full send ST spec with some cleave.

[balmy condor]

The fact that vanish is like used for huge dots and sucks ass because we’re spamming envenom for caustic

Is insanely strange

[indigo mulch]

Now we're like aoe machines

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s just caustic

Caustic has the blade flurry issue

Where if the spec is good in single target now it’s also a monster in aoe

[proven jasper]

Cursed us forever adding flurry smh

[balmy condor]

That’s a problem for outlaw that they get around by just like having 0 burst and whatever

[indigo mulch]

I mean they should just nerf caustic by 5ish and then buff st by 5ish. That would atleast put us a bit better in term of ST.

[balmy condor]

But its generally unhealthy design wise

[nova kelp]

I love caustic, but it kinda has become a bit of a defacto bad guy
I feel like that's the case for a few of the goodies we got in the rework tbh

[balmy condor]

To put so much into it

[runic hinge]

@spice spire i need the pasta

[balmy condor]

Like if caustic in aoe was 10% of your damage, and not 30%

This wouldn’t be such a big issue

[slate crown]

Please DO NOT announce to the server when You are going to :3 in https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1080572530554835072 .This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly male strangers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering what emotes you've been using). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

[drowsy geyser]

I wanna ask you guys, if you can make “perfect” m+ team with, Resto Shaman and Assa rogue, what is the rest to make “best comp” possible?

[nova kelp]

I feel similar to nimble flurry in tricks. Trying to talk to the raid group about the weirdity it can cause as OL with hard target capping, while I do more aoe by simply EXISTING as a trickster sub so long as things are close enough and I'm not capped to a max

[balmy condor]

Prot war Aug and some ranged

Probably mage I guess

[shy pecan]

Please DO NOT announce to the server when You are going to :3 in #1080572530554835072.This has been a reoccurring issue, and I'm not sure why some people have such under developed social skills that they think that a server full of mostly male strangers would need to know that. No one is going to be impressed and give you a high five (especially considering what emotes you've been using). I don't want to add this to the rules, since it would be embarrassing for new users to see that we have a problem with this, but it is going to be enforced as a rule from now on.

[balmy condor]

Maybe vengeance Aug

[late kestrel]

how much haste is recommended (ideally) ? I play sub mostly so ik my stat prio wont be ideal

[proven jasper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[scarlet wyvern]

ughhh.. NW +10 2.2m overall dmg and still not timed

[nova kelp]

NW is dogshit

that's your answerr

[scarlet wyvern]

true

[balmy condor]

Is that with weapons removed

[scarlet wyvern]

hate that dungeon to the core

[indigo mulch]

Bro, NW is dog.

[scarlet wyvern]

pls nerf NW or give the cut 5mins to the timer back like fr

which employee came to the idea "hey guys lets cut 5min overall from NW"

tf

whole day today i tried 10 NW pugging and not tkming that shit at all

[drowsy geyser]

so Prot War/Vengeance, Aug Evoker and Mage?

[scarlet wyvern]

people are tilt asf

[nova kelp]

y'know what too, might be a hot take, but amarth is harder than stitch, in terms of what you actually have to do

[balmy condor]

Yeah something like that seems good to me

[grim jay]

Invite a dk and be done with it?

[scarlet wyvern]

in my situations all pugs fail at stitch most

[balmy condor]

Could technically also dk yeah

Forgot about dk

[grim jay]

Most pugs fail bcs they dont stack the spears

[nova kelp]

the fact that the solution is to invite a specific kinda demonstrates the issue with that boss

[grim jay]

No its just the easymode

The Boss is not an issue at all

As long as you have 2 people with half a brain

[nova kelp]

Nah big disagree, I think it's just a talking point everyone believes more than experience

like hating nickelback

a lot of peeps fail at amarth

[hushed elbow]

CoS doesnt work on balls in Mists??

[grim jay]

Brother ive ran nw countless times

[spice spire]

You need some bitches

[grim jay]

Both in shadowlands and now

[nova kelp]

brother

me too

woop dee doo

[grim jay]

There is literally nothing difficult about kicking 2 mobs every now and then

Or throwing out a 1 min cc

And ignoring the cced mobs

[kindred elm]

The dodge balls?

[nova kelp]

so while we're boiling the fights down too far, what's the super hard part about stitch?

standing in line with the boss while you have red circle?

[grim jay]

stitch isnt hard bcs hes mechanically demanding, he is just really tight in dps/healing

[nova kelp]

meh, see personally I never found that a challenge

[grim jay]

Idk if you did any 10s last week it was painfully obvious at multiple occasions

[nova kelp]

number easy, relying on everyone to individually do things hard

[grim jay]

Especially if you wiped once and had no spears

[nova kelp]

I've done 10s

[grim jay]

Or someone didnt know what to do with them

[nova kelp]

I still think amarth is worse overall

[grim jay]

2 people on amarth, not everyone

[sudden brook]

@balmy condor do you edge your envenom even with a DN, or do you rush DN when its up

[undone pollen]

I’ve had the hook bug on stitches a few times is this a known bug?

[grim jay]

And that the numbers werent easy was pretty obvious through everyones comments

If it was easy, the Boss wouldnt have been a 6 minute mess if you had no spears/bl

[balmy condor]

Rush DN, like to the point of ignoring rupture refresh

Dn is highest prio anything ever

[grim jay]

Wdym

[sudden brook]

So when Mark is up, you edge

When DN is up, u asap?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[sudden brook]

assumed so

[undone pollen]

Hook goes directly at boss and doesn’t pull boss off platform

[sudden brook]

Just wanted to double check

[nova kelp]

huh, I haven't been doing that actually

[kindred elm]

The pug I timed a 10 with just committed to the downing abomination strat before the key even started and stitchflesh was pretty ez then

[nova kelp]

shall adjust

[grim jay]

Happens if you are too far away

[undone pollen]

Ok maybe that’s it

[grim jay]

Good group ig

Usually that just rips the key in higher levels

[hushed elbow]

YEAH

[kindred elm]

I think if you’re trying to 1 phase you really need an arcane mage in there but that might be wrong

[grim jay]

Its not so much a onephase, rather a get him low enough so that you atleast dont have 2 aboms for too long

At 10s and 11s

[kindred elm]

Have seen my mate burst to 5-6 mil with 3 spears and lust going haha

[kindred elm]

I’m positive but if you did get hit have a look in details to see what the damage type is

Also a note with those dodge balls in you want to be baiting them through the guessing game adds

As they chunk them aswell

[desert vault]

for the Edict trinket, guessing you want the orb for the mastery not the damage right?

[balmy condor]

Correct, but really the ideal thing you want with the edict trinket is a different trinket

[desert vault]

haha I know, I mean it is a struggle right now

[balmy condor]

Be like that

That trinket blows so bad

Imagine transmitter + edict

Having to chase down 2 orbs

Clown ass game

[supple ravine]

which one build is better for +10 keys bleed/cleave/hybrid? What did you mean on wowhead about "low" tier keys? How low?)

[balmy condor]

Hybrid for anything higher than like a 2

[runic hinge]

You goon

The opposition to edging

[balmy condor]

Bleed kinda sucks massive ass in any situation where sudden demise can’t do 75% of your damage

[supple ravine]

makes sense

[runic hinge]

I miss poison bomb now that I've been playing so much hybrid

[balmy condor]

Hybrid has poison bomb

[supple ravine]

kinda ass that tier set improves bleed damage only

[limber lion]

I just run bleed, it sims around the same as Hybrid for me and that doesn't take SD into account

[limber lion]

Well the 2p increases poison damage

But yeah the tier is terrible

[supple ravine]

🥸

[kindred elm]

Isn’t enhance the only spec that got decent tier anyway?

Like I actually don’t know (too many specs to keep up with), I just know theirs was crazy compared to others

[tribal verge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vale lantern]

i think i messed something up @balmy condor

[limber lion]

Looks fine

[vale lantern]

usually my CS is higher than CT

[limber lion]

Envenom tends to be higher as well

But nothing crazy

[vale lantern]

our group was a Outlaw Assassin and boomkin

[nova aspen]

as long as u beat the other 2 dps i call it a win

[nova kelp]

CT pumps, realistically adjustments in your damage splits can be just as much to do with completely external factors, like group make up, or pull size, mob variances in HP

blah blah

It's hard to just look at an overall and be like "oh I must have done something wrong/right" with guaranteed certainty

[light kestrel]

What's the highest stack you guys've gotten from fatal intent?

[obsidian walrus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[kindred elm]

Yeah I find it depends a bit on how hard your initial CS target gets nuked down

[vale lantern]

i guess thats fair i mean 1.6 overall on an 8 isnt bad either

[vale lantern]

almost always

[nova kelp]

it's definitely not bad no

[kindred elm]

With an outlaw I dare say it was getting pumped

[vale lantern]

this was the group makeup

[nova kelp]

hahahaha cumbursttot

[limber lion]

Well you did 123m with the drake

So it doesn't really count...

[vale lantern]

its 1.48 withou the dragons

[kindred elm]

I blacklist that on details

[limber lion]

Same

[nova kelp]

it's all about the vehicle competition!

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2

[vale lantern]

idk how

you can actually do 1 and 2 at the same time 😄

but seriously thou how do i black list it so i dont have to go out of my way everytime

[kindred elm]

Open details settings then a tab on the left says spells. Just search for the 2 abilities the drags have

[vale lantern]

fixed 😄 ty

[kindred elm]

Np

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with this

[late kestrel]

anyone running dust in m+?

[balmy condor]

Not on assa

Very difficult to do that

[nova kelp]

lol

[keen spruce]

Damn dust would kinda go wild on assas tho

[nova kelp]

I bet chuck norris can do it

[keen spruce]

[kindred elm]

Is there a list of all the 11.0.5 changes in 1 spot anywhere?

[light kestrel]

Fatal intent is capped at 255 it looks like

[late kestrel]

oop messed that up

[balmy condor]

Don’t think so

[balmy condor]

…..th…thank you..??? Do I want to ask how you know that

35 minute dummy session or something

[light kestrel]

Dude bugged out in my delve

he charged underwater and SBS kept stacking it

[spice surge]

Its still doing less damage than a darkest night eviscerate

[balmy condor]

[kindred elm]

Ok thanks

[tall cradle]

yo I'm missing one spark and I did all the weeklies, something is cooked?

Only the 100disk quest is not done

[runic hinge]

the 100 disk quest is the weekly im pretty sure

[earnest remnant]

it is yeah

[dense lodge]

For ST we vanish to reapply imp garrot during deathmark right ?

!Rotation

[iron valve]

The rotation is:
Clockwise

[fleet pagoda]

for imp garrote you'd vanish before sending the CD's. if in your opener; you'd vanish at about 6s left on garrote, then delay your next DM slightly to send imp garrote for that one

[vale lantern]

i felt like my CS was to low and my CT was to high

[balmy condor]

They’re close

[timber meadow]

30 +9 GB, haven't seen trink drop for anyone.. we soldier on

[hollow talon]

is there an easy way to find my deathmarked target w plater or WA's in m+

[arctic socket]

Good luck

[daring hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-27205452

[arctic socket]

I suggest finding yourself a good playlist n a show to watch during your venture

[daring hamlet]

just recolor your nameplates - I had this issue when i initially swapped to assa, just copied bits from some of the profiles here for that

[stray fox]

I hit 90 for a windscar awhile ago. Some things just aren’t worth it

[timber meadow]

thats insane

most i had was 52 theater's for ruby on my shadow priest

[deep gyro]

good times

[hollow talon]

do i just add a filter to color the nameplate when it has the debuff?

[cyan summit]

Shmeepy ur the goat, thanks for breaking it down for me. ❤️💯

[hollow talon]

nvm i found a script that does it

neat

[cyan summit]

are u guys using any macros ?

[cunning needle]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/best-weakauras-macros-addons

other than those nvt really

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[cunning needle]

there's also that one worth getting

you can also mouseover macro your garrote/rupture

[cyan summit]

So this one always goes on ur tank in dungeons but in raid how can u pick which tank ?

[cunning needle]

i think there's a setting in the WA

you can also just have a nvrmal tricks bind

[slim smelt]

I play assa rogue for mythic+ and raid I sim my gear for dungeon slice and I use the builds whysp uploaded on wowhead but in raid fights I always run out of energy what should I do
I also maintain my garrot rupture up

[cunning needle]

i like to use vuhdo to dv spells on allies when i click on them

but im half a healer main

[hollow talon]

nvm the plater script doesnt work im finished

[runic hinge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[honest needle]

can someone give me a mouseover shadow step macro and a mouseover kick macro instead of a focus macro

[hollow talon]

i think the priority of the nameplate on plater is being overridden by something but not sure how to fix that

[balmy condor]

Way too many variables to know what’s going on with it

[hollow talon]

yeah i am using a plater profile i copied from someone else so i have no idea what is goin on

• pretty unfamiliar with plater itself

[tall jay]

Use whispyrs then ask for help on it 😉

[balmy condor]

I hate tech support

[tall jay]

That’s what I would do lol

[hollow talon]

[balmy condor]

can barely fix my own plater

[sonic schooner]

plater is a mess

[runic hinge]

can you make it so it does a lazer show when i dm something

[sonic schooner]

[tall jay]

Speaking of your plater….younger the fixate thing figured out

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-gif-24385376

[hollow talon]

this is the right ID right

[tall jay]

Me no clue

[hollow talon]

ill go bug who i copied the profile from

[tall jay]

I honestly have no clue, I bounce between 3 player profiles

[hollow talon]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC

wonder if this will work

basically what i was looking for

[sonic schooner]

yooo

i yoink this

[hollow talon]

bout to test it

it works!

[sonic schooner]

i ve to take the time to blacklist deathstalker mark, fatal intent, and that kind of thing from plater also once day

[sonic schooner]

yoinked, cool one

[hollow talon]

pretty much exactly what i was hoping to do with plater

neat

[zinc willow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cunning needle]

dont hate yourself. If you can't love yourself, how can anyone else?

[clever perch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal python]

By the end of expansion fatebound sin rogues will be doing 5 point mutilates every cast

[dawn heath]

ct usage getting better

[native escarp]

If I'm playing all 3 specs in keys, should I embellish 1x dawnthread and 1x duskthread or just 2x duskthread?

I know assa prefers dawn over dusk so wondering if it'd be better going 1/1 or just double stack dusk bc of sub and law

[west crown]

One of each seems like the best bet

[cunning needle]

embelishments are such a nothing burger

put on whatever you want

im multi speccing soim just running double lens

[keen spruce]

I ate too much chimkin

i'm gonna die

[sand trellis]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[dull cloak]

I still use 2 outlaw stat crafted embelishments and doing fine in keys

[twin hull]

if you guys had the choice... between...skardyns grace, mad queens mandate, shadowbinding knife and sac brood...all at 626 ilvl which ones would you play for m+?

[arctic socket]

Grace with mad queens

[cunning needle]

grace and knife because i cbf with 2 on use trinkets

but yeah also

grace and madqueen should be highest

[arctic socket]

I like mad queens since it lines up to kill prio targets an also good boss damage

[twin hull]

i did sim it..it says grace and knife doing 77k more dmg overall compared to queen and grace

[arctic socket]

But if you don’t like two on use rock grace with either the knife or sac

Follow your sim then

The ritual knife is very strong tho

Honestly any combination of those trinkets will do fine

[cunning needle]

^

doing your rotation correctly > picking the right trinket

[prisma tundra]

is double dawnthread considered better for m+ than ascension if im crafting all 3 wrists, belt and weapon

[cunning needle]

!embelish

!crat

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cunning needle]

also embelishments are even more of a nothing burger than trinkets

[prisma tundra]

ye that doesnt seem to clearly say which to pick to me since it could be talking about the -3 ilvl on weapon craft or something

[cunning needle]

if you want an actual answer

sim yourself

the most realistic answer you will get though is

doesnt matter

embelishments suck

[acoustic roost]

^^^

[cunning needle]

it's like asking

[prisma tundra]

they might suck but 99% of us still like to think we make the "best" choice when we gear our characters

[cunning needle]

should i pick up 4x 5cent coins on the ground

[prisma tundra]

just like i could grab a stamina gem for my gear cuz it sucks anyway

but nobody would

[cunning needle]

or 2x 10c coins

[acoustic roost]

yeah and its not going to hurt your dps that much in the grand scheme of things

[cunning needle]

yeah i get that, we all get that

and we're still saying embelishments don't matter

and also just sim yourself

[prisma tundra]

problem with simming myself is that my gear is changing every day

[cunning needle]

then it matters even less

just recraft later

if something really comes out that far ahead that it matters

[prisma tundra]

so its not gonna be a relevant sim to the gear ill actually end up settling down with in a week or whenever ive grinded out all the 619 items and just chilling on vault rewards

[cunning needle]

so if it's only relevant later, and you have the ability to recraft

why does it matter so much now

[prisma tundra]

it doesnt it took me 2 seconds to write the question cuz i was suddenly curious lol

[cunning needle]

yeah fair

answer still stays the same though

i'm pretty sure i'm running the worst combination

which is 2x lens

[past panther]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cunning needle]

but it matters so little idc

i can still parse in raid

[slim pebble]

How does the opener change with vicious venoms vs improved garrote. I realized I was running the wrong build before and I cant find the drop down for vicious venoms on wowhead anymore

[honest needle]

should we be using viciou venums for m+

[earnest remnant]

pretty much the exact same

[honest needle]

tanks never let me restealth

[earnest remnant]

you just no longer consume CtW

and you dont vanish into garrote

[cunning needle]

take the L

[honest needle]

huge dmg loss tho if we cant restelth right

[cunning needle]

no

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slim pebble]

Where would I garrote in this opener? or do I just send it casue it really isnt that big of a difference

[earnest remnant]

same point

i never play with imp garrote

and ive just been going

Ambush-garrote-rupture-SnD-ER-build-envenom

then cds

[balmy condor]

what's the confusion sorry

ambush gar

if you you don't have shrouded you mut

[earnest remnant]

when garrote without imp garrote

[balmy condor]

if you do, you just rup

gotta go to 5cp somehow

with shrouded you're at 5

without, you need to mut

[slim pebble]

OH I was reading that entirely wrong

[honest needle]

whats the dmg difference between outlaw and assasination for keys 10+

[earnest remnant]

dont think ive ever done the mutilate

[slim pebble]

You dont skip the garrote, you just add the extra mut

[balmy condor]

you're just sending a 4cp rup on a hero talent that requires 5cp?

[earnest remnant]

idfk

lemme go look

[spice spire]

Stealthi is not him! Without cast sequence macros!

[cunning needle]

this is what happens when sub mains play assi

[balmy condor]

stealthi when no cast sequence macro fr

who let this guy have thoughts on his own

unsupervised thinking

holy

[cunning needle]

[earnest remnant]

first pull i open from my vod my ambush gives me 4

[spice spire]

Are you good

I haven’t even been banned yet

[earnest remnant]

cuz im playing imp ambush

[balmy condor]

yeh nice crit

[cunning needle]

is he ever good?

[balmy condor]

what do you do when you don't crit

[spice spire]

Nah today

I committed a war crime

[honest needle]

whats your guys opinions on sin vs outlaw whats better in higher keys 10+

[cunning needle]

what was that?

[slim pebble]

I am doing something severely wrong. My opener burst without vicious venoms is like 300k higher than with

[spice spire]

Triple rogue GB

I inted key

Got the trinket

Couldn’t trade to Vhispyr

[cunning needle]

delete yourself (in game)

[spice spire]

Out of game too

[slim pebble]

I DCed 3x in a stonevault 8 that was heading towards a +2

[cunning needle]

i enjoy playing sin more than outlaw atm, so sin is better

hope this helps

until you hit 12+

spec doesn't matter

the best spec to play, is the spec you play the best

[spice spire]

I pulled a big 850

[earnest remnant]

so far 8/8 pulls have been a crit, but i can tell you that ive not been mutilating xD

[spice spire]

Ur actually an ape stealthi

Ily but

[earnest remnant]

bro idfk

i just play man

[cunning needle]

press buttons and cp go up

[earnest remnant]

just crit or?

[slim pebble]

Its okay, I am braindead when I change to vicious venoms apparently

[cunning needle]

actually @earnest remnant @balmy condor whats your thoughts on imp ambush vs tight spender for ovinix.

my feelycraft says tight spender is better since youre not mutilating as much

but i've only seen the first 2 mins of the fight

[earnest remnant]

i snipe energy quite alot

so i dont need the energy

and i multidot spiders

so

energy isnt really an issue

[cunning needle]

i see

perhaps i should also be multi dotting

but then i cant pad on the adds

[balmy condor]

tight spender probably better yeh

[earnest remnant]

i have a hard time some pulls to even use tea charges

[cunning needle]

yessss feelycraft

[earnest remnant]

also

imp ambush stonks when boss goes into execute

[cunning needle]

true

[earnest remnant]

ruh oh

[slim pebble]

What WA pack is that? lux?

[cunning needle]

dont think thats lux

[slim pebble]

I like it

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cunning needle]

should have just crit

?

[keen spruce]

tf am i lookin at

[cunning needle]

ambush only giving 3cp and not 4

[earnest remnant]

none of yo gawd damn business

[cunning needle]

it's a weird bug

stealth is adding it to the tracker now