assassination

[nova aspen]

if the adds are up rasha's ass

its possible

but they usually never are

it would also have to be mythic otherwise they just die too fast

[north phoenix]

i found something interesting - we almost die the same amount of dmg 255m vs 260m but yet he has 500k more dps

[stark scroll]

Good news I got my dagger

good bye 558 aspirants offhand

now im finally 606

[normal mist]

Fuck yeah

[south prawn]

those two trinkets simming highers than 616 transmitter yall think i should trust the sim? (dungeonslice)

[nova aspen]

if u click on him does he have high spatter damage?

[normal mist]

Yeah just trust the sim

[south prawn]

aite thx mate

[north phoenix]

we both played with internal bleeding
is it all about the fight lenght? we took 6minutes, they needed 3:30

[spice surge]

Well his fight was probably shorter than yours

[nova aspen]

the candle is good i also have it

its only low in the tier list cuz its hard to get it on hero track

and impossible on mythic track

assuming thats the candle that can also give party crit

[north phoenix]

thanks for the help guys - have a good one!

[normal mist]

Cheers!

[stark scroll]

wai twtf

that was a massive increase on my sim

LOL

i shoul dhave upgraded that a while ago

I guess I was just banking on getting a drop

but i am cursed to only ever see intell daggers

[nova aspen]

what was a massive increase?

[stark scroll]

switch from my 558 dagger to a 619

[nova aspen]

mainhand is ur single most important upgrade by like a factor of 10

xD

so yea it makes sense

[subtle tundra]

i kinda wouldnt in this case

cause a on-use is really strong for ST

it doesnt make sense it sims less in dslice

to me

[faint path]

dont trust sim if its about trinket

[glacial arch]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[stark scroll]

wtf

why am i being flamed by this bot

huh

[spice spire]

Instant?

[subtle tundra]

wtf

[indigo mulch]

[subtle tundra]

hope he means non deadly poison

[indigo mulch]

Surely!

[stark scroll]

just use the shiniest coolest looking poision always

[warm vortex]

Before doing you kings burst you wanna sstop doing shit to build energy right? Unless you have multiple tea saved up

[subtle tundra]

i dont

idk

[stark scroll]

usually at kings point in opener you have energy

if its halfway through the boss or encounter i seem to be fine too

at least when mark is synced

[rain apex]

Aslong as you can keep the envenom-buff up you are fine with low energy

[indigo mulch]

I mean you will always use a tea with your shiv you shouldnt really have energy issues during kb

[scarlet wyvern]

when you craft 636 dagger, imo you should be able to upgrade your second weapon without crests charge

i mean you spend 90 gilded for mainhand anyways

i think blizz didnt think about this

[torn dome]

is it useful to bind shiv & tea? or not optimal?

[indigo mulch]

Very much not optimal

[nova aspen]

if they did it for weapons they would have to do it for trinkets and rings, im all for it but that would be quite the savings on upgrade mats lol

[stark scroll]

no

and soon they will change how tea works

[torn dome]

interesting

i recall binding blade flurry and tea back in some exp, maybe MOP

[stark scroll]

tea it

[nova aspen]

they should also make trinkets and rings tradable if only 1 slot meets ilvl

[stark scroll]

craft your own.exe

[nova aspen]

my tank got a changling lastnight and couldnt trade it

to our ele sham

[stark scroll]

my tank asked for neck from warrior got it opened chest and got the same neck

then he gave to me

LOL

[eager tree]

so trickster sub with permanent tricks is the play for delves?

[stark scroll]

or outlaw with perma tricks

arugably outlaw would be better

[jade echo]

Killing spree Despair

[stark scroll]

its fine in delve

[spice spire]

[jade hedge]

!macro

[eager tree]

yea just have way better sin/sub daggers than i do outlaw weps

[hearty coral]

is assa good for st? on m+

[queen egret]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[jade echo]

depend on cd and fight lenght but there is way better single target spec in mm+

if you do a 2.3 fight yea ass is good you can double death mark boss

[ornate jetty]

[rotund oak]

Any EU Leatherworker max crafting wrist/belt? will tip 🙂

cant find anything on trade 😦

[rapid pine]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[shut canopy]

I'm home in 2h but I hope you manage to find someone before then

[rotund oak]

i can just personal order you i dont mind,will just log my mage and do some arenas while waiting

no biggie

wanna dm me ur toons name?

[normal mist]

This isn't trade chat and it's server locked

[rotund oak]

oh :L

didnt know its server locked

thats stupid

[normal mist]

Yeah you gotta use your trade chat

[rotund oak]

im gonna put ravencrest on fire now

[vagrant brook]

if you're on Draenor I can do it

[rotund oak]

ravencrest 😦

[shut canopy]

you can hop into their guild for a minute and put a guild order in ^^

[rotund oak]

yeah thats what i thought

u are a genius

[rotund oak]

can we do that?hop in ur guild and put a guild order?

[stark scroll]

lf tailor to make me netherweave bandages

[clever sun]

Ok. I am using Quazis plater prof as always. I am trying to edit it so that my main bleeds in AOE kind of border and light up when they are in pandemic. Can anyone direct me to the proper setting area for it in plater?

Like I found some plater profiles I could import, but I don't want to overwrite the other one I am using.

[crisp pine]

you can usually just yoink the specific pandemic glow thing and add it to your plater

Should be under scripts I think?

[stark scroll]

I just import whispyrs plater config during a grim batol +4 run last night and i have to say i do like it

glowing pandemic is nice

although I need to find out how to modify combo points the little tan squares arent it

[clever sun]

Ah I think I found it! Thank you!

[fickle lotus]

What key level are yall switching from Hybrid build to the Cleave build? I was thinking maybe 10 or higher but I don't want to limit test in someone's 10+ key lmao

[normal mist]

We just play hybrid

All day

Every day

Or bleed if you find it fun

[fickle lotus]

bleed

[clever sun]

Are garrote and rupture the only 2 affected by pandemic?

[fickle lotus]

Everything is pretty much

slice and dice, envenom buff, crimson tempest

[hollow talon]

You get invited to 10s?

I had to raise my own key people don't invite me at 2500

[rocky spear]

!consumables

[normal mist]

Wowhead guide

[fickle lotus]

617 ilvl and 2400 io I get invited very rarely but yeah

[polar sinew]

!pool

[tall jay]

Any tips for the last. Boss in city of echos ?

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[polar sinew]

Don't die

[rocky spear]

do you know any cheaper option than ironclaw whetstone for the weapons?

[normal mist]

Isn't it in the guide?

[rocky spear]

nop

[polar sinew]

It is no? Its wax

[fickle lotus]

You want alagari mana oil btw

[normal mist]

Wax is bugged

[fickle lotus]

it's in the sub guide but not the assa guide

[normal mist]

Yeah I just checked. @rocky spear get oils

[rocky spear]

ty guys

[polar sinew]

Yh for now, hope it will be fix soon

[hollow talon]

Mana oil is expensive

[normal mist]

[hollow talon]

I'm using buzzing runes

[normal mist]

You're just broke at that point

[tall jay]

Thanks lol

[normal mist]

How much is each oil?

[orchid pewter]

200

On rank 2

[hollow talon]

Like 500 for rank 3

[normal mist]

That's 100g per hour

Rank 2

[fickle lotus]

it's 200 an hour because you have to apply 2

[polar sinew]

@fickle lotus my RL still didn't notice that I am using that crap for now

[fickle lotus]

it's only like .1-2% worse so I wouldn't worry about it

[polar sinew]

For real? Like ppl actually buy 3k po a rune to do 1% better?

Damn

[fickle lotus]

That's all this game is

[still wharf]

have u ever lost a key to 5 seconds

loool

[fickle lotus]

marginal increases in dps

[normal mist]

And then die on pull BCS they stood in shit

[hollow talon]

Yeah but I just blame the tank then

[still wharf]

cuz u will and ull go damn i wish i had that 1%

[polar sinew]

Nah my teammates make sure I lost 3min with 15sec/death

[still wharf]

damn yall should play with friends LOL

he goes: i do

[jagged niche]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[polar sinew]

Sometimes its frend...

[still wharf]

hehe sometimes its me dying too 🙂

sometimes u get a new weap too and ur like OK we maxing consumes

[clever sun]

My guild is dead AF

[still wharf]

its big pumper time

and then u die on first pull w lust up

such is life

[fickle lotus]

imagine not blowing cloak+evasion to ignore mechanics and focus on pumping

[normal mist]

Me

All fights

Every fight

[fickle lotus]

Me during those stupid fucking worms at the end of mists

[normal mist]

Raid 2nd boss

Cloak the explosion

100% uptime

[tall jay]

What key level or item level do we switch from bleed to hybrid?

[normal mist]

Whenever you want

People seemed to like hybrid more this expansion, so most people I know didn't even try bleed

[tall jay]

Ah ok. Cool.

I don’t understand death stalker so I guess fate out hybrid is the way to go? Easier to play?

[normal mist]

I honestly don't understand fatebound

Never played it

[open forum]

question regarding Deathmark
Does it duplicate already applied poisons on the target or only new applied ones?

[normal mist]

Both

[open forum]

ah ok, ty

[tall jay]

lol like in raid I get it but I don’t understand the moving from pack to pack thing

[blissful robin]

Hey dudes just looking for a spec to dump on pve for rep farm and mogs etc , plus dungeons etc but do like busy specs would assassination rogue meet that

[open forum]

Is it prefereble to get a rupture done at the end of its window even if it has like 20s left?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[open forum]

to duplicate it

[weary juniper]

I think that at the end, deathstalker is way more easy, bcs u dnt need to track the coins, just need to know that u apply on the opener with ambush, u burn 3 charges, then with a finisher with 5+combo, reaply

[normal mist]

You don't really think about it, you just press dm and for the DM duration everything is duplicated

[open forum]

So its only duplicated during its duration?

[weary juniper]

Reaply bfr means lose energy

[weary juniper]

Yes, assa is a good pve class, but hard to play and almost imposible to master

[crude sequoia]

idk my first days when i played rogue, i chose fatebound because it was like a passive thing, i didn’t have to do anything but it would have an impact on damage output

vs deathstalker where you need to think a little more

fatebound was like a “let me learn stuff before i think about adding hero tree to this” thing

[spring stream]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[analog cairn]

I've been playing some m+ on my assassination rogue alt (hybrid build), but I can't seem to be able to pump as high trash dps as my fellow assa rogues. I know the standard rotation, but I am a bit curious how you guys open in the first pack in m+?

[real pike]

Is this intended behaviour??

I apply DsM then it drops cause the previous one ran out?

[spice spire]

Yes

In cases like that, just open on ambush to be safe

Oh wait

[real pike]

yeah exactly ahah

[spice spire]

Sorry hospital internet is uh

[real pike]

I did open on ambush and was in stealth

[tired gull]

it seems like since DSM was already on target, ambush didn't re-apply it

[spice spire]

You posted a nine second video and I’m halfway buffering

[strange python]

how are you guys easily switching back to your deathmarked target in a massive pack? macro?

[real pike]

clickety click

[tired gull]

i just don't switch targets, i mouseover for ruptures and garrotes

[real pike]

or this

combined with a good plater profile

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strange python]

i'll try this

[tired gull]

(also, half the time i just reapply IC garrotes ruptures to my main target cause i cba to optimize, i also haven't really pushed any keys so the optimization isn't necessary)

[subtle tundra]

Yea at the start I did that too. Hitting the correct target is 100000% more important

[real pike]

If the pack has 4/5/7/8 mobs then this makes literally no difference

[subtle tundra]

And i still do depending on pull

[tired gull]

exactly

i wish i had more time to play video games

so i could be a mythic gamer and get good ilvl

[molten echo]

Depends how many targets in the pull

And how long you expect them to live

[real pike]

anyone know if trade-up crests count towards season max?

[onyx linden]

They do

[real pike]

cool so if I'm 270/270 runed and I trade in some carved I'm cucking myself basically

[onyx linden]

I think the vendor even has a note or won't let you buy it or something

[inner surge]

can confirm it lets you buy

[nocturne quail]

Make nameplate orange personally

[real pike]

oof

[real pike]

my plater profile makes my CS target green, I tried to make my DsM target purple and it ended up looking like a rave flashing between 3 different colours

[onyx linden]

Yeah I wouldn't bother with the spatter color just dsm

[novel dock]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[strange python]

does the deathstalker 30 % nature dmg after deathmark work for trinkets?

[fickle lotus]

no

[strange python]

and does it show in sims

o

[hot fulcrum]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[real pike]

I suppose you have more control over spatter so you want to 'follow' DsM with spatter and not vice versa

[onyx linden]

Your dsm target should always be your spatter target so what's the point

[real pike]

I'm agreeing with you

[waxen rover]

Can I just macro coldblood to mutilate as fatebound?

[onyx linden]

No

[mystic osprey]

I swear all rogue specs are severely underrated all the time

[onyx linden]

Why muti? Makes no sense

[vestal wren]

rogue is one of the least played classes

[strange kindle]

Why tho

[mystic osprey]

its too hard

[vestal wren]

but i don't think its underrated

[mystic osprey]

for most people

[vestal wren]

its not too hard

[mystic osprey]

its hard compared to bm hunter

[warm vortex]

Anyone know how big of an increae the 4 set is
both in aoe and st

[mystic osprey]

etc

[vestal wren]

its a mix of many things

[strange kindle]

I think it's the energy and combo points that feels clonky

[vestal wren]

Rogue has the most painful leveling experience

[rotund oak]

actually the 2nd least played

[onyx linden]

Leveling is painful?

[strange kindle]

Rogue leveling is the second best after druid imo

[vestal wren]

so it has the most people switch off when leveling compared to other classes

[strange kindle]

Stealth is amazing

[rotund oak]

yeah not enjoyable

[mystic osprey]

whats least played

[vestal wren]

then its only melee dps

[normal mist]

If you put a warrior and a rogue side by side, it is

[vestal wren]

you essentially lock yourself in the least desired position playing rogue

[mystic osprey]

wdym you dont like having 0 energy and pressing one button til level 80

weird

[waxen rover]

figured because it was cast the most and cb only goes off on envenom. I'm an outlaw andy so I have no idea

[vestal wren]

third point would be the general rogue design

[timid marsh]

Rogue is adhd class all others are so comfy

[vestal wren]

rogue is the energy/combo point class forever and its the original design

but other classes adopted the same design

and improved on it

[rotund oak]

Shaman.
Mage.
Priest.
Warlock.
Demon Hunter.
Monk.
Rogue.
Evoker.

[mystic osprey]

yep

[vestal wren]

meanwhile we sticked with the same core for a long time

[cerulean peak]

The only thing that happened to us is that combo points is no longer tied to our target. And we still have to press Slice and Dice. (But soon we don't have to!!!)

[vestal wren]

keep in mind

rogue is not a new class

evoker is

so its normal that evoker has a very low representation

[normal mist]

And still almost reaching us

[rotund oak]

we are special

[nova aspen]

rets

[stark scroll]

people like playing winged furries

[weary juniper]

Why not

[stark scroll]

so cringe

[timid marsh]

And i bet rogue players are all WoW oldies no newcomers

[vestal wren]

then we can look at design

rogue has a lot of gameplay design decisions that make it harder to understand

[mystic osprey]

thought evoker would be higher

[weary juniper]

Bcs rogue is sooooooo fucking hard xd

[mystic osprey]

lots of frostmourne evokers

[weary juniper]

And evoker is nerfed AF

Thats why no one play it

[vestal wren]

blizz actively tries to make people paly evoker

its one of the "op" classes since release

[weary juniper]

From hero to zero xD

[cerulean peak]

Preservation balanced hehe xD

[vestal wren]

but back to rogue

[weary juniper]

U can do a 90%parse on aug, and be the last dps of your guild xd

[stark scroll]

I wouldnt play evoker for 1000 dollars

[weary juniper]

Then a fury with 50% top 1

[vestal wren]

e.g. for assassination

bleed managment is already a big negative for many

[stark scroll]

lol

very difficult to manage

[polar timber]

this channel hates fury eh

[vestal wren]

so having multiple bleeds to track, even if its easy to do is too much effort

[stark scroll]

they would love boomkin

[polar timber]

that spec is in the gutter

[weary juniper]

Bleed manage is easy

[polar timber]

leave them alone

[weary juniper]

Envenom is easy

[vestal wren]

you lol, but it is how people outside of the rogue bubble think

[weary juniper]

Tea balance is hard

[vestal wren]

e.g. when stating assassination is the most difficult rogue spec

[stark scroll]

people who arent rogues think bleeds are hard?

what

ahjhahaha

they didnt say that

[vestal wren]

its purely because of bleed managament

[cerulean peak]

Hardest part of playing rogue is seeing patch notes with stuff like auto Tea

[stark scroll]

Yeah I dont know how I feel about auto tea

[vestal wren]

you would be surprised

[stark scroll]

I like that its one less button

[vestal wren]

the change is meh

[fickle lotus]

The fact they're still going through with auto tea is insane, probably one of the most out of touch things they could be doing

[hearty coral]

which spec has a better st and mass aoe?

[stark scroll]

but I dont like that itll be used at improper times

[vestal wren]

but bleeds are not the only things

[fickle lotus]

like how do you remove slice and dice but add auto tea

[vestal wren]

we have cdr mechanics

[polar timber]

dot management is definitely something the general player base thinks is hard

[stark scroll]

what?

[vestal wren]

e.g. for subtlety you have dance/secret all on diffrent cds with dynamic adjustments

[stark scroll]

slice and dice is being removed?

[weary juniper]

Is bad, i want my tea on my burst

[stark scroll]

sec checkign pins

[timid marsh]

I find outlaw hard tracking blade fury

[mystic osprey]

😕

[reef blade]

dont think they see it as hard maybe just less fun ?

[vestal wren]

and then there is dust (for another month or so)

[mystic osprey]

😕

[vestal wren]

you can pull energy

*pool

[cerulean peak]

Sub Dust yuge brain
Outlaw yuge APM + quick brain
Assa??? Spinning plates

[polar timber]

idk ive had a few people tell me that juggling dots is hard for them

[fickle lotus]

no one wants to pool energy

[polar timber]

theyd rather just hit w.e lights up

[stark scroll]

Thistle Tea
Auto procs under 50 energy. Lowkey kinda makes our gameplay more difficult because we will most likely want to avoid proccing this, but for ye average casual carl this is pretty goated for removing a button

Cut to the chase
Slice and Dice removed I guess

they remove slice and dice?

why

[vestal wren]

and then its punishing

[stark scroll]

lol

[vestal wren]

outlaw/sub are punished by downtime

you see it in mythic progress

[daring kraken]

Make auto tea a choice node

[vestal wren]

limit/echo/method goes assassiantion on certain fights because sub cdr compontents or timings are aweful with downtime

[weary juniper]

but thats bad

[stark scroll]

I dont want my tea to be automatic

[weary juniper]

once im with 50 energy, probably i already spend 30% or more of my burst rotation

[amber brook]

I love bonespikes

[vestal wren]

on top of all, rogue animations are boring

[weary juniper]

or gona have headeaches trying to manage it xd

[stark scroll]

I like envenom and mutilate

and the splatter animation

[vestal wren]

so rogue is not popular as a consequence of many things

i could go on

and say things like

[polar timber]

true playing dh has been so fun holy

[vestal wren]

dev team not reacting on bugs

[polar timber]

seeing my guy just spin around slash and shit

is just sick

[stark scroll]

resident sleeper classs

and why is dashing and flipping backwards part of the rotation

fucking so cancer

[polar timber]

its cool idk

it adds skill expression

[stark scroll]

flip backwards into a splice

and die

[polar timber]

ya skill diff

[coral ibex]

didn’t they change the tea thing to proc at 30 and not 50

which is a lot better

[vestal wren]

e.g. during DF:

• Subtlety secret technique bug with acro was not fixed in s1/s2 (fixed in s3 - took a year)
• Subtlety still has many of the bugs which partly impact gameplay and output
• Season 4 -> Logs for Subtlety ended up broken, which took a month to fix.

[stark scroll]

I want them to make rogues 40% faster while in stealth

[proven jasper]

Sub rogue krangled spec

[proven jasper]

Play sub rogue

[stark scroll]

no

[proven jasper]

U are faster in stealth

[polar timber]

the log thing was so funny for sub holy

[stark scroll]

i dont understand that class

[simple gulch]

has anyone watched one of shivs videos? there is a dbm counter that scrolls down with pictures he uses and would really like to install it if anyone knows what i'm talking about could you point me in the right direction?

[stark scroll]

spec*

i can only play outlaw

and sin

[proven jasper]

[simple gulch]

sub is the best rogue spec, combat pirate worst

[stark scroll]

i like outlaw

[polar timber]

sin>sub>pirate

[stark scroll]

its fun i can play while sleeping

last night i feel asleep on last boss of skittering breach and walked off the edge while fighting

[proven jasper]

bro u have to be sweating to play outlaw

[velvet pier]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[polar timber]

playing outlaw for 2 weeks gave me carpel tunnel

[vestal wren]

my point is, there is just a lot of things that make rogue look bad, long iteration time for bugfixes is one additional cut

rogue as a whole is "death by thousend cuts"

[proven jasper]

“Death by thousand bugs”

[vestal wren]

and assasssination is the spec that you get the least cuts on

[polar timber]

well at least our class sucks with class identity

[proven jasper]

yeah i mean every rogue spec has blade flurry

seems like being original is out the window

[polar timber]

imo they need to really solidify each specs niche

[proven jasper]

solidify each specs niche-> deletes dust

xD

[polar timber]

honestly delete black powder too

[proven jasper]

Well bp can go for sure

[polar timber]

that shit was a bandaid fix to evis funnel

i think sub needs that back

[proven jasper]

That shit is garbo

[polar timber]

that shit was so outrageous

1 tier of 1 boss having sub be good and they just nuked that spec for a whole expansion and a bit

[simple gulch]

this boss timer thing, anyone know what its called? how to get it?

[polar timber]

its a weakaura

search timeline on wago

[stark scroll]

no

You have never played ninja in bdo

outlaw is like a stumbling drunk man compared to ninja

[reef blade]

thats actually so fucking true

[simple gulch]

love you

[stark scroll]

every class is so fucking easy compared

you think outlaw gave you carpal tunnel

[onyx linden]

Yeah but there's no content in BDO so what's the point

[reef blade]

also true

[stark scroll]

if i load bdo and grind for 1 hour my hand is immobile for a week

[onyx linden]

Run in circles in killing helpless mobs

[stark scroll]

well im in the wow discord not the bdo discord

lolol

I have never done pve since i started

always just pvp everyday

[hoary kernel]

Same thing with exsang for sin, it was only discovered that the ability was broken majority of season 1. Only caught early season 2.

[stark scroll]

and war within i have been pve

its fun

i am doing mythic dungeons for the first time

enjoying myself

yesterday i was flamed by a healer for saying ty tank and no thanking him

was spamming me for 10 minutes

saying i was ungrateful

was very fun

[dusty crescent]

THAT, is fucking hilarious

[reef blade]

its nothing compare to flaming in bdo while pvp tho

[hoary kernel]

I had a tank in Shadowlands where a DPS but pulled a pack on the first pull. And he said "You guys are not respecting me as a tank" and left.

[stark scroll]

oh yeah bro

bdo is crazy

[reef blade]

I fucking loved it at launch

[stark scroll]

that was offensive

[vestal wren]

the diffrence here is

[stark scroll]

sorry girls

[vestal wren]

exsang was just removed

[hoary kernel]

true

[vestal wren]

and wasn't as dominant of a pick

you play secret 100% of the time

its your core rotational spell

and losing 2/3 of its damage to a bug

for 1 year

[hoary kernel]

It was still the best button, but it was unpopular because of how awful it felt

[vestal wren]

hits a diffrent note

i am not saying sub is the only spec with issues

[vast loom]

ff14 melee animations make melee feel so much cooler i wish WoW had some of it

[vestal wren]

i think rogue as a whole needs attention and a bigger rework

hero talents included

but thats outside of the scope blizz is willing to invest time into the class

[polar timber]

i feel like wed be waiting a long while for that

[hoary kernel]

Yea I guess that would suck its like saying rupture being bugged for the majority of the expansion

[normal mist]

Same

[simple gulch]

rogue is still the best class and blizzard is in love with paladins so that will never change

[stark scroll]

what would you do

I think a good start would be making thistle tea auto

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-im-out-in-retreat-gif-5457976

[hoary kernel]

Do you think they would do another rework then? Even though they kinda just did one recently on s3 DF.

[stark scroll]

[hoary kernel]

at least a "small" rework

[polar timber]

i think its so funny that fire and arcane are first and second best spec in mythic rn

meanwhile theres 3 rogue specs at the bottom

wait till reclear when mages swap to fire and its 10% ahead of every class

specs always busted

[hoary kernel]

Personally I avoid looking at these top DPS graphs, because it just makes me feel miserable if my spec is in the bottom. Since I am not aiming for race to world first, more like race to world last. I would just play the spec I like to play.

[fickle lotus]

A good start would be first to lock up in pillory whoever has been in charge of rogue changes in the recent years and we throw tomatoes at them

[vestal wren]

• create a metric to measure diffrent areas of the game
• look at the "what is" of specs, and how they compare to each other
• change/design specs in a way to have bigger differentiation, like in e.g. legion
• make specs more thematical
• rework talent trees based on metrics, to make specs more even in advancement

e.g. currently, it feels like multiple tlaent trees and its not only rogue

[polar timber]

although im no where close to that level either im still faced with the despair of my class everytime i step foot into a raid

[vestal wren]

have a high amount of dead or unwanted nodes

[simple gulch]

Fuu i think you should toss an app in the blizz hiring portal

[tawny geyser]

2.6 Brewmaster gets the Skardyn's on 3/6 Hero ... Dont wanna trade it 😢
Man i'm crying over here...

[vestal wren]

and hero talents do have problems too

e.g. idk who designed deathstalker

[hoary kernel]

I mean fair, to that degree I start to understand why some MMOs ban damage meters. But it does feel damn good when you are on top.

[vestal wren]

but with such a small scope of 10 talents

[stark scroll]

Yeah i think they lazily design our hot

[vestal wren]

whoever though

"auto attack damage" is a great thing to increase

isn't rly familiar with how rogue works

[polar timber]

the mark despawning on random mobs because they dont "die"

like actually insane

[past forum]

We do be auto attacking

[polar timber]

3rd boss grim

the amount of times i have to say out loud to hold my darkest night

[velvet pier]

Is there any updated custom APL for the raidbot sims atm for assa? 🙂

[fickle lotus]

That's why i don't take imp garrote, because I just know i'm gonna have to vanish ambush at some point because my mark decided to be consumed by the void

[strange kindle]

Hey boys help me out, which race do I go

[past forum]

Yep, just gotta hold DN

[stark scroll]

ORC

[strange kindle]

Zug zug

[hoary kernel]

I am also conflicted on the fact that certain specs should be good at certain things and bad at other things. Since sin has always been designed "raid" spec, while I agree that it would put more variety to playing other classes. Caustic spatter feels so damn good, that my self interest contradicts this ideology.

[stark scroll]

UNLESS YOU ARE OUTLAW THEN PLAY TAUREN FOR MEMES

COW PIRATER

[strange kindle]

Tauren can be rogues?

[stark scroll]

YUP

statistically speaking they are the best outlaw rogues too

[strange kindle]

Since when in the hell

[past forum]

A recent patch

[strange kindle]

It does make sense

Cow hide

[nova aspen]

panda rogue

[polar timber]

ya and i dont need to be top for every fight i just think having at least one fight a tier where youre like oh shit my class kinda owns here is a good metric to how good balance is

[nova aspen]

the chad gamers

[polar timber]

not oh all 3 of my specs are meh on all bosses

[vestal wren]

for rogue its since ages the problem of all 3 solving the same problem

it is why everyone played combat in the more classic xpacs

and blizz tries to make everyone play assassiantion since modern wow

[hoary kernel]

I guess that is misinformation on my part, since I only played WoTLK and Shadowlands onward.

[vestal wren]

sub was for most parts and still is seen as pvp spec

[rotund oak]

mathematically they are on par with mechagnomes st and lose to both dwarves and mechagnomes in cleave scenarios

so not exactly statistically but ye

ST they are fine/huge

[vestal wren]

its not missinformation

as mentioned assassiantion was pushed into raid spec

it is why its the most popualr rogue spec (by a lot)

you wanted to raid, you needed to essentially play it

for a long time

and the wow playerbase is not growing as much

[thorn fjord]

Ping ponged between sub and sin since legion mostly tho

[vestal wren]

so the same players who are now used to this idea

[hoary kernel]

Is this how the formula went?
Sin - Raid
Outlaw - M+
Sub - PVP?

[vestal wren]

still play the game

you can't easily get away and make people switch

[past forum]

I leveled a bunch of rogues in remix/prepatch and decided I’d try night elf out this patch. Man, shadowmeld friggen sucks and I wish I had stoneform back

[thorn fjord]

Sub has been really good at keys too

[vestal wren]

sub was good in keys in s1/s2 df

[rotund oak]

not rly,outlaw isnt better than sin in m+

[vestal wren]

because it did good aoe

[willow cloud]

I couldn't believe when someone told me shadowmeld doesn't drop combat anymore, and hasn't since like legion

[weary juniper]

Sub is better than assa in raid

[thorn fjord]

S2 of SL too iirc

[vestal wren]

both are about equal with sin overall having a slight advantage i would argue

[past forum]

It can but not in boss combat and it has like 9million different fail conditions

[polar timber]

sub with funnel in bfa s1

[rotund oak]

in coordinated groups,it is,if u try to pug sin is alot better

[hoary kernel]

Well back then I am talking about back then, since now all rogue specs are technically viable for all content now. Although right now that seems contradictory on raid numbers.

[polar timber]

goated

[spice spire]

We don’t speak of that season

[vestal wren]

possible, not sure entirely. Think rogue wasn't that popualr this season ?

also whats SL?

[mystic osprey]

shadow lands

[spice spire]

Shadowlands

[vestal wren]

Whats that?

[weary juniper]

But pug is not raid raid, like.. idk how to explain haha

[vestal wren]

a fever dream?

[rotund oak]

😂

[spice spire]

Season 2 SL sub was THE meta

[mystic osprey]

fortnite map

[thorn fjord]

Fuu made a funny

[rotund oak]

😄

[thorn fjord]

😂

[hoary kernel]

It's when I had to manually target each ad to put bleeds on m+

And such it did not exist

[spice spire]

It was sub frost mage and what was the last one

[vestal wren]

like there was legion, bfa and then we discovered a dragon island out of nowhere

[mystic osprey]

obviously

[spice spire]

Ramfam was blessing us with content

[mystic osprey]

makes sense doesnt it bro!

[past forum]

Spriest right?

[spice spire]

I don’t think so but maybe

[rotund oak]

the real question is fuutube guides when

[spice spire]

I wanna say it was like monk or some shit

[hoary kernel]

N'zoth just gave us a nightmare he still alive

[past forum]

Oh yeah spriest wasn’t meta til they got the bob salami masks

[earnest remnant]

windwalker

[spice spire]

Oh shit

I was right

[thorn fjord]

Yo you rocking sin or sub in prog?

[past forum]

Ohhh yeah with boner brew

[earnest remnant]

yes

[distant swift]

Ww was op back then I loved bb

[thorn fjord]

Damn

[nova aspen]

raccoon pfp spotted, time for a gif

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-jumping-raccoonjumping-gif-460805335907106932

[hoary kernel]

When was it that Monk tank did the same damage as DPS on M+?

[earnest remnant]

(im playing both)

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-gif-5753424366867641841

[thorn fjord]

Hehe yeah I got that

[fallen arch]

Back when we watched Ryfie

[past forum]

Bdb was objectively less fun than kyrian but people still “liked it more” just cause number bigger

[spice spire]

I was a ramfam ENJOYER

[rotund oak]

ate a pizza watching sub idk

[spice spire]

Last seli stream I remember too

[thorn fjord]

@keen spruce a lot of aw dangits last night with FB

Went back to DS lmao

[spice spire]

Selibrity

[keen spruce]

Gamba better

[vestal wren]

whenever i get a microphone maybe

[spice spire]

90% of gamblers quit before they hit big

[stark scroll]

Sorry i dont play alliance ever so had no idea

[rotund oak]

how much does a microphone cost...

[stark scroll]

nor did my head even consider the option of someone playing alliance

i have made zero alliance classes even for 5 minutes since i started in bc

[rotund oak]

alliance has the superior racials

[vestal wren]

i already got myself one, just need to be delivered (2-3 weeks)

[rotund oak]

just sayin

[vestal wren]

also need a free pc

[thorn fjord]

Damn Sap

[stark scroll]

so youre a white supremacist who is racist against non whites

[thorn fjord]

You speaking on racial superiority

[rotund oak]

there is hope for fuuguides soon

[vestal wren]

i can probably re-use my gf's pc for recording

because my pc

[stark scroll]

[vestal wren]

moment

[stark scroll]

only an alliance player would say that they are the superior race

[rotund oak]

😅

[hoary kernel]

You gonna be making guides on all 3 specs? Or just sub?

[vestal wren]

i don't know if i want to make guides

also why would i make guides on assassiantion

[stark scroll]

make a guide fuu

[vestal wren]

whispyr does a excelent job

[hoary kernel]

I mean true, just was wondering what content you were gonna make

[rotund oak]

dont wanna intimidate u or anything but ive got a rogue for all possible races

[vestal wren]

we will see, no idea

[stark scroll]

Nice my rogue is an orc

https://tenor.com/view/orc-smile-gif-10315643652749609661

[rotund oak]

orc is

omegatryhard

i dig

[stark scroll]

when you play blood elf

they yell

i dont have enough energy

[vestal wren]

orc best for transmogs?

[stark scroll]

i can tdo that

i cant do that yet

orc just goes

rawrr

orrr

urrrr

oooon

less talking

[rotund oak]

blood elf is a failed counter mog race to elves

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[stark scroll]

I DONT HAVE A TARGET

[rotund oak]

blizzard failed

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stark scroll]

orc

smoorc

smoooorc

[thorn fjord]

Murloc race please

[stark scroll]

I am working on a sweet orc transmog

[crude sequoia]

gurubashi poker gamers

[hoary kernel]

zug zug

[vestal wren]

can i get this race?

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ethereal

[rotund oak]

no

[vestal wren]

[rotund oak]

make UD great again

[vestal wren]

it is great in the underwater delve

can't drown

[rotund oak]

😂

[daring hamlet]

anyone have basically this exact wa but for TWW dungeons? https://wago.io/06llqVuTq

[thorn fjord]

Ud is the delve meta

[rotund oak]

the most OP rogue race got reduced to underwater breathing

[thorn fjord]

Haven’t done a single delve since mythic opened

[rotund oak]

there is one embodied in the seasonal WA package on wago

shows whenever u are targeted

[vestal wren]

did speed run fungel folly 8 yesterday in 4 minutes

[thorn fjord]

Why tho 😂

[daring hamlet]

https://wago.io/twwdungeons this one?

[rotund oak]

yeah think so

[hoary kernel]

Still waiting for this class to be released.

[vestal wren]

i tested the other day if there is a instance lockout for delves

and a friend told me that there is technically a 5 minute one

but that nobody is able to finish a delve in under 5 minutes

and i was like "watch me"

so i had to proove it

[thorn fjord]

Was there a lockout? lol

[rotund oak]

bruh just dirnk the water speed potion

its easy

[vestal wren]

well i would need to run multiple 4 minute delves

[echo tartan]

how to see ur playtime?

[vestal wren]

to find out

but there probably is one per hour limit

i could break

[echo tartan]

how to see ur palytime

/play doesnt work for me

[crude sequoia]

played

[rotund oak]

/played

[stark scroll]

did you do it in less than 5?

[vestal wren]

i did fungel folly and i think i could go under 4 minutes with a bit more gear and possibly by using flasks/etc

[vestal wren]

yes, i did a 8 in 4 min and 4 secs

[stark scroll]

my brain is thinking clearing a t8 in 4 minutes is impossible

sheesh

[rotund oak]

im speedfarming them with the potions there as well,its fairly bad till u kill the elite to get the auto bubble button

losing like 40sec

else im easily 4min territory

[polar timber]

ya im not stepping foot in a delve again unless i absolutely have to

[grim jay]

wait whats the tech

what are you farming

[rotund oak]

the bountiful delves

underwater one

[grim jay]

for what

[vestal wren]

what dungeon do you run?

[rotund oak]

the hero track rng loots

[vestal wren]

i did not use any poitions etc

[rotund oak]

the underwater one

and the one in TRD

[vestal wren]

i was doing fugel folly

you can essentially skip most of it

[rotund oak]

fungal folly is easy with potions u can skip the silly stuff as well

yup yup

[vestal wren]

without potion tho

[rotund oak]

try with the potions

[vestal wren]

you can sap many packs or use the sparks

[rotund oak]

yeah

[grim jay]

hero track gear

[rotund oak]

u sap distract and step

[vestal wren]

what does the poiton do?

to help me

[spice spire]

I only have 3 pieces of hero track loot

Legit can’t get a drop to save my life

[rotund oak]

there are 4-5 types,one with speed one with underwater speed and breath

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

you are old, thats alright

[rotund oak]

one with dmg,u can even use bombs

[spice spire]

If something drops it’s a chest (I’ve gotten 9 chests so far)

[spice spire]

Silence kitten

[grim jay]

im gambling on 613 head or hands rn

to save 15 crests

[spice spire]

Bless

I got the 616 hands

[rotund oak]

got no luck on legs still 😦

[spice spire]

616 chest.
610 shoulders

[grim jay]

oh wait im missing boots aswell

I have boots hands and head at 610 still

everything else is 619 or higher

[rotund oak]

ive just got my embelishments crafted

more sauce for the dmg section

[grim jay]

if I didnt waste my pvp crafts

I'd probably sit on 610 embells

[rotund oak]

yo pvp embelishments are solid

[grim jay]

ye they are actually really good if you only craft armor stuff anyways

or a 610 offhand

[rotund oak]

yup yup

[daring hamlet]

will fiery ricoche on 2nd boss of SOB always ricochet or can the 3 other players range it far enought hat they wont get hit because they're not "nearby"

[grim jay]

felt like always

no reasonable distance worked

[daring hamlet]

aight good to know - thx

[thorn crater]

Hey generally speaking it’s more worth to try to farm higher ilvl items than use crests to raise low hero items right?

[keen spruce]

Kinda yeah

Depends on how efficient / able you are to farm the higher ilvl content

But yeah it’s always gonna be more efficient got get drops at a higher ilvl before spending crests

[thorn crater]

Cause like I got double hc regicide but I got the necrotic dagger. But I already maxed the regicides

[keen spruce]

Just for the savings

[thorn crater]

Cba maxing a third dagger

[keen spruce]

Why would u max a 3rd one?

[thorn crater]

Crit mastery

[grim jay]

called stats

[thorn crater]

:p

Over haste mastery

[wise whale]

For sub duh

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

sims higher for me on sin for m+ aswell

[keen spruce]

How much higher

[grim jay]

few k

[keen spruce]

[wise whale]

Cap

[thorn crater]

Prolly gonna get depths enchant on a third dagger

To swap for raid and m+

[grim jay]

also upgrading a third is only valorstones

they are whatever either way

[keen spruce]

Out here just lying on the internet

Oh tru

It is just flightstones

For the 3rd ig

[rotund oak]

u can do 95 logs with any gear,just believe in urself

be the alpha

[thorn crater]

Uhm

I have maxed regicide 6/6 but to max a new dagger

I still need gilded crests

[keen spruce]

So true bestie

[grim jay]

it sounded like you had both maxed

[keen spruce]

U shouldn’t

[grim jay]

tho

[thorn crater]

Oh the second is 5/6

[sudden brook]

Wait why do we want to be below 50 for deathstalker

[keen spruce]

Das why

[thorn crater]

Ah I see so you need double weapon maxed before you can?

[grim jay]

only with sanguine blades

so it doesnt sap energy

that you could use for envenom

[keen spruce]

Well u just need to max one of them

[thorn crater]

But offhand is meh upgrade 😦 can use on better things

[keen spruce]

Then the other will be “free”

Tru

[thorn crater]

It’s not

[sudden brook]

Why talent it at all then I don't get it

[spice spire]

What Davyn the boomer said

[grim jay]

bloodlust and DM windows

[keen spruce]

Just throw the NW one in the bank

[spice spire]

More damage

Same reason for any talents

[keen spruce]

Until I have spare crests

[spice spire]

But it doesn’t

[rotund oak]

u need sang blades to aply that,sang is alot of dmg so its a trade off

[spice spire]

So you don’t

[grim jay]

for me it does but I refuse to

its only like 1k

[rotund oak]

sang blades is like 8-9% overall iirc

[grim jay]

already need to deal with that in m+ on bosses

[rotund oak]

or more like 6-7% somewhere there

[thorn crater]

So since we got 2 weapon slots I assume you need max on both otherwise it would b cheaper for us than other classes

Same it would be with an offhand on casters

[sudden brook]

But I don't run out of energy why would I want to stay under

[grim jay]

@keen spruce cap btw

[sudden brook]

What's even higher prio. Being under 50 energy or envenom uptime

[keen spruce]

That is actually the lowest possible number that could still be called “a few” k

[grim jay]

no, 2+ would be a few

[keen spruce]

2 is a couple

[mint urchin]

Its the same as rings and trinkets. You need both slots to the ilvl for the discount

[grim jay]

guess what

in germany few and couple

is the same

[keen spruce]

Enjoy your .2%

[grim jay]

.2 for nothing

ngl

[keen spruce]

Free food price

[quasi hill]

Hey folks, got my rogue ready for leveling (currently 70). The only available weapons are 2 swords, any advice where to obtain 2 daggers fast ? AH has nothing

[keen spruce]

Good

[sterile violet]

how u all affording ur enchants flasks is RMT save in this game ?

[grim jay]

some buy tokens

some boost

[stark scroll]

thats tough

[grim jay]

some do weird profession stuff

[stark scroll]

i dont think you can get lvl 70 gear

they kinda made it shitty

[sterile violet]

will the token sell immediatly

[stark scroll]

maybe a dragonflight vendor

get a 245 dagger or something

[quasi hill]

Sad, so start outlaw and pray for drops in a dungeon ?

[stark scroll]

or just play combat till you get two shit intel daggers

[quasi hill]

This not too low ?

[stark scroll]

i mean its low but you are lvl 70

you will get damage boost in dungeons

[rotund oak]

whispyr has a vid for sang blades trade off which looks coutner intuitive im trying to find out which one is it.And we care more for envenom chaining

[quasi hill]

Oh combat, I see you're a man of culture aswell

[stark scroll]

well i play primarily sin

[quasi hill]

Nah I mean you know combat spec, it's been a while. The pre pirate era

[grim jay]

idk AH is full of "requires level 70" daggers for me

[stark scroll]

i played outlaw until i started queing mythics

i couldnt get one invite

unsure if class or gear score

i swapped sin

[quasi hill]

Yeah check them if you drill deeper all require 80

[stark scroll]

they auto invite

[manic pebble]

guys can we cloak this ability to get into add phase second time in a row?

[grim jay]

deep dwellers dirk is lv 70

for example

also versions for lv 72

[quasi hill]

You clicked on it and got to the overview with the several prices ?

[grim jay]

yes

I know how the AH works

[quasi hill]

Checked about 20 🙄

Don't wanna insult you

[grim jay]

it has different ilvls for different lv required

like 460ilvl is 72

[quasi hill]

Okay, why made it easy

Will check on this, thanks 👍👍👍

[grim jay]

there is one rn for me

for lv 70

[rotund oak]

Lord @balmy condor sir @sudden brook has some questions why we fence on energy with sang blades and some other stuff,cant find the vid u had on yt 😦

[grim jay]

I already told him tho

[rotund oak]

oh cool sorry i was tabbed searching lol

[grim jay]

isnt it also in

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[keen spruce]

[grim jay]

yeah

there is also the explanation

[rotund oak]

yup

typical guylaw man

[spice spire]

Envenom up time.
Also isn’t it 50% energy

[grim jay]

I'm 2 rio shy of 2.6k, guess thats why I dont get any invites for 10s

dang

[sudden brook]

yeah thats what I mean

[stark scroll]

wait

[spice spire]

Like the whole bit is that over 50% energy your bleeds deal more dam but it’s at the cost of energy: under 50% ur just net gaining

[stark scroll]

GUNLAW

it just came to me

[spice spire]

So it should kinda be one and the same

But you’d just stop and pool a hair longer

[undone flame]

@spring prawn @empty viper thanks i wil try both of this next week

[sudden brook]

So lets say I'm at 140 energy, envenom is 4 seconds on buff duration. Do I send envenom to stay under 150 energy, or do I wait until 1sec

[spice spire]

Send

[sudden brook]

really

How can that be correct

[grim jay]

#assassination message

[jagged elk]

hey!

is there some kind of haste cap we should reach? i'm currently siming mastery > haste > crit

[spice spire]

More envenoms long term

[spice spire]

Nope

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rotund oak]

dont weight stat sim ever

[sudden brook]

hmmm

Is that ONLY with sanguine blades

or is that at all times

[grim jay]

only with sb

[spice spire]

Only with sb

[rotund oak]

sang blades only

[grim jay]

slow old man

[spice spire]

Otherwise ur maximizing envenom and chuckling

[sudden brook]

This spec has too many stupid talents I'm ngl

[spice spire]

Ur so real for that king

[thorn fjord]

Weird caveats with the different load outs really

[spice spire]

(Spitting facts even)

[sudden brook]

This spec is fun but between vicious venoms and sangune blades, its upsetting me

[spice spire]

Sass me again and I’ll shut ur lips with mine

[grim jay]

imo its rather funny its still that good if you actively avoid it

[thorn fjord]

@sudden brook you could just play the non imp gar build and not worry about it

Prob sims higher too

[rotund oak]

i think u fall under the vast majority of sin rogues category here

[spice spire]

You can run imp gar and not sb

Like

It’s kind of a mess

[thorn fjord]

The non imp gar build feels so naughty tho

I want my imp gar

But it does provide a nice auto correct feature if you're dropping DS marks

[grim jay]

im playing imp without ss on ST

people hate that trick

[rotund oak]

thats some cooking

[spice spire]

That’s not even

Top ten cooked I’ve seen this tier

Try harder old man

[rotund oak]

😂

[grim jay]

thats what sims highest for me after SB builds

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

I can only cook irl, but I'd invite you there

[spice spire]

Buddy that’s my shtick