assassination

[coral ibex]

sims are an average

individual parses can trend higher or lower

[rotund oak]

buffs and vulnerabilities

[balmy condor]

Dropping iron wire legit the dumbest fucking thing you could do

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-knew-it-words-of-wisdom-youre-so-wise-the-shining-jack-nicholson-gif-14741551

[spice spire]

Just looking at #1

[blazing jewel]

Getting all the globals of subs cds seemed pretty challenging for a few of the sets

[spice spire]

I see 46% envenom crit

Some of that is dn

But

[cunning needle]

what if i drop iron wire and pick up double vanish

[spice spire]

Seems a touch high

[spice spire]

I will eat and or beat ur ass

[calm nymph]

tbf i am rocking 30 crit

[raven egret]

Especially since the new dungeons have such a hard on for caster mobs with like 3 post interrupt recasts

[balmy condor]

Max dps giga technology

[blazing jewel]

You typed the thing

[spice spire]

[misty kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wtvo9X5b1s&t=13s

here it begins

[spice spire]

Wdym

[calm nymph]

i just want to do damage as sub why is this happening

[neat pier]

damn hes pretty cool. misleading name

[calm nymph]

maybe im not built diff 😮‍💨 i am an assa main

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/xmen-evolution-xmen-marvel-rogue-gif-20446657

[daring hamlet]

its actually just the most insane ability, idk how it exists or hasn't been nerfed tbh.... just like 15% dr on basically every mob exactly when the tank would need it plus full silences - its absurd

prob will get nerfed if assa sees relevant play in streams etc

[cunning needle]

lmao assi isn't going to see relevant play

[raven egret]

it is getting nerfed XD

[cunning needle]

thats pure copium

[daring hamlet]

oh is it actually lol

[subtle tundra]

Begging to God assa gets nerfed

[raven egret]

for 11.0.5

[subtle tundra]

On my knees

[daring hamlet]

oh thats fine

[raven egret]

hehe 😛

"nerfed"

[daring hamlet]

xD

[balmy condor]

That’s with the subterfuge change in mind as well

So you get 12 seconds of iron wire with 2/2 subt

Instead of 6

[raven egret]

^^^^

[misty kernel]

its a buff

not a nerf

-.-

[raven egret]

which is fckin hilarious

[haughty flicker]

theres no way that doesnt get nerfed again surely

[daring hamlet]

...

[real granite]

wwwwwwwhat

[haughty flicker]

not that im gonna complain

[balmy condor]

Yeah the utility buff on iron wire + subt in 11.0.5

Is bonkers

[raven egret]

but I mean

Subterfuge 😦

[real granite]

[balmy condor]

If you’re ever running keys high enough to make use of the utility

It’s crazy

[real granite]

12 fucking seconds

[haughty flicker]

honestly i wonder what pulls could be done

with two vanish charges

[misty kernel]

playing subterfuge now is practice for next patch

[haughty flicker]

24 seconds of iron wire

[raven egret]

we got to give up something to go Subterfuge, and I dread that day

[misty kernel]

[daring hamlet]

the only issue i have, mostly cause i just swapped to assa this week is I lose track of my mark target soooo much when I'm actually tryna be a good control boy

[raven egret]

Sounds completely not broken and we'll definitely NOT see this nerfed to the ground or hard capped at any point for sure

[balmy condor]

Change the color of your nameplate for it

[haughty flicker]

surely

[balmy condor]

Big buff imo

[daring hamlet]

yup, that's on my evernote list along with setting up the rest of my profile lol

[neat pier]

so the idea is using vanishes and timing to shut down enemy cast and enemy enrage/ability windows with the damage negation of iron wire?

[balmy condor]

Best tech imo is just stealing plater mods and scripts and stuff from other people and going from there

[neat pier]

also ,is it ever worth it being a gentleman and shivving an enrage off a scary mob, or just pump away always, not my problem

[balmy condor]

That’s how I set up my stuff

[cunning needle]

on pull is the most dangerous time for the tank

and you cast garrotes on pull

[balmy condor]

Of course

If the enrage is risking your tank

You hold shiv forever to get it

Like fuck your kingsbane

If group wipes

Key bricks

[neat pier]

oke

sad day !

[cunning needle]

nah i just blame tank for dying

[misty kernel]

goodluck with -1 key

[cunning needle]

thanks

need to find some way to bully him

after he kept extending bursting when i used toheal

[neat pier]

word. i will need a plater script bless one of these days.. i cant see anything thats going on lol. just easing into the pve scene. thoroughly enjoying it tho boys and vanessa vancleefs.

[cunning needle]

[cunning needle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[neat pier]

oh

a blessing

[cunning needle]

steal one of those

we are truly blessed here

pins are acutally relelvant

i go into the fdk discord becuase i'm being a filthly fotm reroller

and the pins are just memes and misinfo

[runic hinge]

I got misinfo for you

[cunning needle]

no idea who that is

[balmy condor]

Np

[neat pier]

thanks for the info all, see you when the vaults opennnn

[balmy condor]

He’s angry lil guy

[misty kernel]

@neat pier check DM

[subtle tundra]

I already talked to blizz I have a skardyn in my vault

I don't need luck

[misty kernel]

it took me 45 runs

[subtle tundra]

13, now I'm running with guild mate to help him

For fun

[daring hamlet]

imaigne not ever having to do a grim again holllly gains

[cunning needle]

[misty kernel]

havent seen any dagger yet after doing 100 keys allrdy

[subtle tundra]

Idk why I farmed it anyways since tomorrow it procs in vault

[misty kernel]

i love the rng in the game

[cunning needle]

who was that guy that ran halls of valor like 150 times or something

[balmy condor]

I’m changing bis list to include grim batol ring just to send you back to the mines buddy keep farming

[misty kernel]

u wanna see my 200 upper runs for eye of command ? 🙂

[real granite]

wait till you see that bis ring and cloak are also from gb

[raven egret]

I still don't have Skardyn's

[subtle tundra]

I wouldn't run it with assa loot spec, fuck having another item in the loot pool

[daring hamlet]

[raven egret]

fck Grim Batol to death

[daring hamlet]

good thing i just tell my RL that wowhead doesn't know what it's talking about

[balmy condor]

Based

I’m just gonna hit a randomizer on bis list gear

[misty kernel]

https://www.twitch.tv/zerocoolx/clip/TardySnappyDragonCurseLit-YC-FpIVAMCHMnGQ7

[balmy condor]

And see if anyone notices

[subtle tundra]

Have the ring don't care about cloak

[rotund oak]

habibi vid after 9min has no sound

or i just went deaf

[cunning needle]

bro that happened to me yesterday

[misty kernel]

ya it will get fucked coz i forgot to remove music from vods 😄

[cunning needle]

i just see the dragon drop me down

[misty kernel]

it will be fixed for next vods srry

[cunning needle]

and another dragon flying into the ssame spot

[raven egret]

HA!

[haughty flicker]

holy fuck thats good

[cunning needle]

dropping my mate

[haughty flicker]

that dragon learned from the fucking drakes in voti

[rotund oak]

u pumpin' dw keep them coming

[cunning needle]

game: fuck you in particular

[haughty flicker]

dropping people to their deaths

[raven egret]

STraight to gulag!

[misty kernel]

ltrly

[daring hamlet]

if we were mages and there were actually people in the game that played this class, we coudl mobilize to make more noise and get grim nerfed to the ground to make farming easier

it has to be the most dead class in the entire game lol like i enjoy it but i swear nobody plays this shit

[cunning needle]

?????

bro rogues are one of the least played classes in the game

we are 2nd to evokers

and that came out last expansion

[daring hamlet]

why are you sending a "??????" at me

were literally agreeing

[cunning needle]

wait are we

[misty kernel]

@cunning needle

[real granite]

lmao

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[misty kernel]

upper kara runs for eye of command

[daring hamlet]

damn bro hit me with the penta ? on an agreement

i feel ya tho

[cunning needle]

is that at like 10% zoom or something

holy shit

[misty kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/jorito-congregation-gifs-jorito-gifs-jorito-congregation-the-congregation-gif-16486630195925201422

[misty kernel]

it was 200+

[cunning needle]

i dont know whats makes me despair more

farming GB for the trinket

or using transmitter

[misty kernel]

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGS

[raven egret]

We're unique nods

[cunning needle]

tbh im surprised DKs are that high

i suppose they are meta

[raven egret]

Evokers makes sense they brand new

[cunning needle]

monks being higher than rogues is always so wild

[quartz cloak]

Least played but best class discord

[cunning needle]

given how shit a spot they've been in for ages

quality not quantity

[wise plume]

Do I even want to attempt a +10 wake before reset?

[haughty flicker]

evokers will stay low as long as they have to perma be an ugly ass dragon

[cunning needle]

yeah wake is fine now

save 3 spears for last boss

[haughty flicker]

maybe they overtake rogue but idk about that

[cunning needle]

save all cds

and blast it

either you +2 it or it +2's you

[slate crown]

Discord quality per player is top notch

[real granite]

ww must be the most mistreated spec ever, they have been horseshit since legion

[cunning needle]

except DF s1

wait was it s1 or s2

wait it was SL s1

nvm im stupid

[haughty flicker]

ww has had some times to shine

but not very often

[real granite]

i still remember the karma inside rotation from bfa

nightmares material

[wise plume]

WW in S1 DF was bonkers

iirc

[cunning needle]

yeah i know it was meta one of the seasons

because my FOTM mate played it

[wise plume]

p sure it was s1

[timber meadow]

I used to raid with the guy who founded the monk discord, homie actually just rerolled dh in bfa lmfao

they've had some downbad times

[wise plume]

i remember getting a beautiful opener on the tree boss room in like an 18+ academy, and I just watched a WW skyrocket

shit had me humbled

[haughty flicker]

theyve definitely had it rough overall

[real granite]

and dont even mention monk healer

[tawdry sedge]

Is it okay to envenom with less than 5 combo points, after you have applied a rupture just to maintain the envenom buff, assuming your next envenom will be cast at 6+ combo points

[rotund oak]

dont think so no,we finish always on 5+

[haughty flicker]

sometimes i wonder about niche scenarios like that

[tawdry sedge]

In theory what i suggest is definetely wrong

but in practice it seems right to not drop the buff

[haughty flicker]

like for example, on adds that you know are going to die relatively fast, but you still want to prio and have spatter on, could it be better to send a low cp rupture just so you can get spatter going

[tawdry sedge]

There is no real energy/combo point waste, as i said you have enough energy to rebuild a full combo envenom in time, it is just that the buff currently is running below 1 sec

[haughty flicker]

like the adds on bloodbound

[tawdry sedge]

I do like 2 shuriken storms and 2 ruptures on those adds

[waxen oyster]

exile playing sin

[tawdry sedge]

then a CT if specced and start nuking the main guy

[waxen oyster]

what the

[tawdry sedge]

who is the exile?

[haughty flicker]

ye exile swaps spec every boss at least once

man of the people

playing both sides

[rotund oak]

a very good rogue

[tawdry sedge]

is he streaming?

[haughty flicker]

probably

[subtle tundra]

I was thinking about it, sub really good for dmg Amp, assa good at the end cause you get 2t execute

[rotund oak]

yes he is,its Liquid's rogue

RWF

[haughty flicker]

the execute has to be big yeah

with them holding damage in intermission for cds it probably lines up better for sin too

[rotund oak]

https://www.twitch.tv/imexile

[tawdry sedge]

thanks but i feel like watching some titty streamer rn xd

[subtle tundra]

But I do hate the mark gameplay on assa when it's 2t and have to swap targets around

[tawdry sedge]

wait, if you hate in 2t, then what about 4+? xd

[subtle tundra]

I'm talking about silken court specifically

And yes I hate the mark gameplay

But sometimes more than others

[haughty flicker]

on court you have to keep swapping for damage amps and stuff

so yeah definitely sounds annoying

max is getting tilted

damn

[tawdry sedge]

mythic court looks "intense"

[subtle tundra]

Ofc and it should be

[slate crown]

Max just now "I'm gonna blow up"

[haughty flicker]

yeah hes mad as fuck

he was dead silent for like 2m straight earlier

needs to spin

[tawdry sedge]

Exile has been playin assa for the whole race? Outlaw or sub seem much better choices at least for court

[sudden brook]

They really want that vault loot

[raven egret]

nah he been sub on Court

[haughty flicker]

hes been swapping between sub and sin

[slate crown]

like a real one

[haughty flicker]

man of the people fr

[rotund oak]

Btw kush is playing some non-deathmark build

whats happening

bro is cookin' or what

[subtle tundra]

[haughty flicker]

wat

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-saitama-one-punchman-gif-10349543

[haughty flicker]

i need to see this

[tawdry sedge]

who bets on method winning this?

[haughty flicker]

wait is the vendetta icon not just dm

[subtle tundra]

He doesn't though just checked

[tawdry sedge]

are there any betting sites actually? i need to waste my money somewhere

[haughty flicker]

i feel like i got baited

[kind forge]

i think you did

[tawdry sedge]

maybe he did for a pull or twoo

[subtle tundra]

Spreading just a bit of misinformation

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[slate crown]

Is everyone in liquid at the facility? Or is it just some of them

[haughty flicker]

afaik they all flew in

[high sundial]

If we open from stealth with Ambush -> Garrote. Will Iron Wire trigger? I assume no

[rotund oak]

exile doesnt seem like he's there

but idk

[slate crown]

Yeah exile's lighting makes it seem like he's somewhere else

Was just curious

[raven egret]

exile looks like he in his basement getting baked XD

[haughty flicker]

exile does look like hes in a closet

[rotund oak]

hahahahahahah

[subtle tundra]

Rogue behavior

[haughty flicker]

he has a liquid shirt on

so he's there in spirit

[balmy condor]

He’s at home :3

[rotund oak]

they are dying on the 2nd charge

always

stupid web mechanic

[haughty flicker]

would be good if they kill this boss tonight but idk if it'll happen

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

imagine chance at mythic spymasters in vault though

[golden loom]

his UI is kinda clean

[haughty flicker]

huge value

[obtuse ruin]

can anyone here help me with some weakaura settings? 🙂

[slate crown]

Same

[rotund oak]

his WA pack is infront of his character,thats a no for me

[slate crown]

I’m eepy time and going to miss the kill

[rotund oak]

dont think its happening fam

[slate crown]

Lots of weakauras folks in here you can ask

[haughty flicker]

i like the trend of putting defensives/pots around healthbar

i need to do that on mine

[rotund oak]

if it works for him its fine,idk

its just limiting to what u can see around ur character

[balmy condor]

You and your 7 personalities

[obtuse ruin]

is there a way for caustic spatter/deathmark wa always showing (in combat) when active not just when im targetting the one with the debuff?

[slate crown]

You move your wa out of the way to better see the ground effects, I move my wa out of the way so I can see my sick mogs we are not the same

[haughty flicker]

holy based

[coral ibex]

i just want to make sure i'm understanding pooling - this means pressing literally nothing to build up energy while at 5cp, right?

[haughty flicker]

you make sure to strafe while doing it so you regen faster

[coral ibex]

like, how i played classic assa?

[rotund oak]

u just love to hate,im just gimme some space bruh 😦

[haughty flicker]

a/d spam is a proven dps boost

[coral ibex]

well yea obviously never stop adad spam

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

sick

i fucking love pooling

[balmy condor]

Envenom uptime pog

[slate crown]

Set Show On: Always in the aura trigger, and for the debuff there will be an extra checkbox added at the bottom something like “show when unit doesn’t exist”.

[coral ibex]

thanks!

[haughty flicker]

i havent actually watched exiles stream during a pull until now

the sad note when a tank dies goes hard

[coral ibex]

i miss out on the twitch streams bc youtube premium is op

usually watching there

[haughty flicker]

adblock even more op

[coral ibex]

which one works? i always get the 90 second ad intro

[haughty flicker]

i use ublock

doesnt work on twitch for me but works always on youtube

[coral ibex]

ooo i was talking about twitch specifically but thank you o7

[slate crown]

You can cheese twitch adds with Picture in Picture on the twitch mini player on the corner

Vid quality is shit but you can flip on the audio and still see what’s happening

[haughty flicker]

oh yeah i havent watched twitch in a while so havent tried getting around ads

[balmy condor]

How bout ublock my nuts from going in your mouth

[haughty flicker]

maybe soon

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[coral ibex]

its so funny the pace difference in play between outlaw and assa

when im on outlaw im beating the fuck out of my keyboard to get my gcds in subterfuge

meanwhile literally can tab out while pooling for envenom

[merry onyx]

so i am trying to go back to sin after years of being a sub rogue, am i just trying to go to fast with ability usage and keeping myself energy starved in keys or am i likely letting to many bleeds drop and losing energy regen, its been awhile and it appears me as sub has been blacklisted for pug keys

[coral ibex]

exile is a QERTF main button user too lets gooooo

[jade carbon]

How close adds must to be the boss to proc caustic spatter dmg? On rashanan mythic i got 0 dmg from caustic spatter, does it depend on the position of the adds relative to the boss? Finally i need to switch to st to improve my dmg

[subtle tundra]

I've had my wrist hurt from m+ as assa this week

[obtuse ruin]

hmm doesnt exactly fix it

[haughty flicker]

rashanan is cursed for spatter

adds basically have to be under her to get hit

bc center of hitbox is so far away

[balmy condor]

Path of exile pilled gamer

[rose crown]

I'm so despairge, i thought i didn't need a WA for deathstalker, dropped it on 2 bosses yday 🤡

[obtuse ruin]

it shows the aura even if its not active on another target @slate crown

[jade carbon]

That so sad for our cleave dmg on this boss

[obtuse ruin]

basically I just want to track caustic in aoe while im changing targets

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

[coral ibex]

i just feel like they're easier to press while on wasd... but if you dont use wasd then they're just like 12345

[rose crown]

Been a long night since raid

[coral ibex]

does he move with mouse?

[haughty flicker]

i need to play around with keybinds

[slate crown]

Like if you have caustic on target 1, then change to target 2, you want it to still show caustic’s timer for target1?

[haughty flicker]

i havent changed them in like

a decade

[coral ibex]

i only move with mouse if i need to hit some cursed bind

[golden loom]

QER based, came from league myself so felt natural while 12345 feels awkward

[haughty flicker]

maybe i can do something better

[obtuse ruin]

Yes!

[coral ibex]

where holding W hurts

[obtuse ruin]

if thats possible..

[jade carbon]

I dont have that much time to put caustic on adds, we have 2 warriors in party and adds die to fast to do that 🤣

[balmy condor]

No clue, don’t think so

[rotund oak]

most of my binds are 15 year old+ but im using mod macros for almost everything so there is not much to change,everything new is put somewhere and we good to go

[balmy condor]

Why

[slate crown]

Change the target on the trigger from Target to Multi Target.

[somber sparrow]

is it a bug that the ascension affix in M+, when you use blind it only hits one instead of multiple like the talent says it should

[balmy condor]

Hit the add not the orb

[coral ibex]

i always peep control binds after hearing jpc only moves with strafe on zx and forward by holding mouse buttons

[slate crown]

You may need to fuss with it a bit more but that’s the core of the change

[haughty flicker]

jpc is not a human being though

he is something else entirely

theman is rhetorical

[coral ibex]

the orb disappears before blind can "splash" so just blind a real mob

[balmy condor]

That’s jpc copying reckful binds

[somber sparrow]

just to make sure, if the add i'm targeting is immune to blind will it still hit the orbs

[coral ibex]

reckful lives on

amen

[obtuse ruin]

oh wow it works! thank you!

[rose crown]

It does, been cranking it on bosses and it splashes

[slate crown]

Np

[haughty flicker]

exile really is a rogue gamer

padding damage after the wipe

hes just like me fr

[rotund oak]

yeah he has alot of good ''characteristics'' that fit at playing rogue

perception,speed and knowledgable

👌

[haughty flicker]

wait i have none of those

i guess hes not like me after all

[rotund oak]

idk man,im oldge

i just see stuff ik there are right 😅

[lethal mortar]

its joever

[rotund oak]

[coral ibex]

it just means buffs will come

[lethal mortar]

being a triple dps class and not one of your specs is in the top half of dps is crazy

[sterile violet]

i said in retail chat rogue assassination needs buff on ST and they said skill issue kushlol is participating in world first and he's the best rogue / rogue is doing fine in damage its insane

now that am looking at this i know am right best class in the game buff the st ffs

[lethal mortar]

shoulda just played dk or shaman like everyone told us to

[plucky silo]

you're going to see at least one rogue for atrophic poison always. show me that they're bringing two and that's a point for it being a decent class

[sterile violet]

i have a frost dk it does insane damage but it gets really really boring trust me

[lethal mortar]

you know whats also boring

sitting in town not getting invited to shit

[runic hinge]

I mean we're fine on boss damage

[sterile violet]

yep i feel u i got in somehow in heroic beat the first 6 bosses then i got kicked cuz low damage lol it is what it is

it was heroic

like i was doing 126 mill - 134 meanwhile fury was 400+ million with the hunter i would kick me 2

[coral ibex]

gotta learn how to pad in pugs too

do some degen shit

[sterile violet]

in mythic plus i drop billions in the raid am nothing

[fallen arch]

Is Jpc not playing in Liquid anymore in Rwf or am I tripping

[runic hinge]

He's out this tier

[balmy condor]

He’s taking a break yeah

[drifting basin]

how come the void reapers contract is simming so well? on par with same ilvl arakara trinket? hmmge

[runic hinge]

better than arakara for me

good trinket tbh

[lethal mortar]

imagine not just having every trinket

[balmy condor]

Early season flat damage trinkets

A classic

[runic hinge]

I'm keeping it for my outlaw arc

[lethal mortar]

shoulda just stayed outlaw

[coral ibex]

damn they were so close to ripping that boss

[brisk plank]

Does anyone have info of how much of a dawnthread uptime we usually have in m+ runs? Im simming 2x dawn vs ascension+writhing and only if i have 85%+ uptime it makes sense to go for 2x dawn for me so i really dont know what to pick, i usually only play m+

[balmy condor]

M+ is easily 80-90%

Depending on the raid I’ve seen 80% fairly regularly tbh

So 85% I think is completely reasonable

Maybe even a bit conservative

[lethal mortar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brisk plank]

Worth going for 2x dawn then? As said i mostly do m+ but I guess even in raid it wouldnt make THAT big of a diff

[willow cloud]

omg how do i not suck on mythic ulgrax, it seems like the soaks and boss going away were designed to fuck our 2 mins?

[drifting basin]

idk about this. i checked the last like 6 or so 10s i did and I was around 75% in most

[golden loom]

we get our 3rd spark of omens tomorrow right? is there anything to craft after wrists/belt/dagger?

[drifting basin]

and its def lower in raid

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[drifting basin]

unless you're doing something thats on farm

[balmy condor]

I checked like a dozen logs

I saw some feral logs at like 85% in raid

Dawnthread cranking

[drifting basin]

that's a crank indeed

but dont ferals have a lot of self-heal this expansion?

[brisk plank]

What would be the safe pick then? I dont do mythic raid and mostly I do m+, clear hc raid weekly and thats pretty much it

[balmy condor]

1. yes 2) no

[balmy condor]

I mean I’d suggest Dawnthread

[royal lantern]

what are you doung that you are not max hp most of the time in raid Fights

[balmy condor]

Ascension is kinda giga cringe if you’re not perma in combat

[royal lantern]

3. transmog

[drifting basin]

i mained feral last season and you have a lot of agency with blue silken lining as a feral. During convoke windows you could just pop a heal on yourself and then click convoke

as a rogue i feel like we dont really have that kind of agency

but idk

[balmy condor]

The buff lasts 15s and refreshes every 8 seconds, If you finish a pack it resets the 8 second counter

[drifting basin]

there is quite a lot of rot

[balmy condor]

So like say you get a tick at the end of the pack

[royal lantern]

mate, the way wow works you are not low hp all the time lol

[balmy condor]

It refreshes

To 15

Then 5 seconds later you drop combat

[royal lantern]

its full hp->dmg event->heal->full hp

or you die

[balmy condor]

Buff has 10 seconds

[drifting basin]

its not really

[turbid oasis]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

If you don’t get into combat within 2 seconds your entire ascension buff just shits itself

Cause it takes 8 seconds to get a stack

[drifting basin]

but we'll see. Haven't stepped foot inside mythic yet, so don't know how it will be

[brisk plank]

Thanks whisp, you made me try assa and now i absolutely love it, keep doing what you are doing

[drifting basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6ZL237v9nYQrcXya#fight=64&type=auras&ability=457666&source=13

for example, this guy has 71% uptime

and its just the first log i found with dawnthread lining in mythic

he also drops the buff from 2:14 to 2:20, meaning that he drops it during his cooldowns. Obviously its still good, but its a LIL SUS

[shut owl]

You can sim it at variable levels of uptime for comparison. I imagine it's probably worth at 70%

[drifting basin]

depends on how much ascension is oversimming (in m+) due to whispyr's explanation above. But in a 5 min fight ascension, is like 2% better at 70% uptime

[willow cloud]

Genuinely interested in this. Sin is bottom DPS on current eclipse stats for this boss, but I was bad even in comparison to the ~400 parses - fat 17 parse by itself on my char screen now)

[amber brook]

I reroled from DK to rogue just because it was fun, how wrong I was

[cunning needle]

?????????????????????

[coral ibex]

here we go

[soft shale]

dont worry nathria was the same

we had people go from dk to rogue and wonder what other mistakes they made in life

to get to that point

[golden loom]

cinema boss

[zealous wolf]

wait a sec

we can cloak the ritual knife debuff?

[ornate jetty]

my kingsbane is blunt as hell it got parried twice by ansurek

[haughty flicker]

well yeah thats a queen not a king

it shouldnt do anything to begin with

wait i had the fucking stream muted doing something and they killed it

unlucky

[sullen phoenix]

just saw the logs for sin, damn lol.. who knows maybe they buff us 😄

[steel ridge]

are we ded yet?

[dire ivy]

i mean if they buff us they would need to buff sub and outlaw too. looking at top logs there not much difference in dmg besides that one sub on rashanan

[steel ridge]

assassination is sandbagging hard on rashanan, cause caustic spatter doesnt hit shit

[dire ivy]

yea and that one sub probably got to pad a bit

[steel ridge]

rashanan is per default a sin boss, because 60% of the fight is in our execute window

[sullen phoenix]

might be that raid as it is now great designed for rogues in general? or its pure numbers issue?

[zealous wolf]

is it worth it to rupture with 7cp?

[steel ridge]

duration increases, dmg does not

you rupture in pandemic, at whatever 5-7 cp you happen to have at that moment, dont overthink it

[zealous wolf]

yy, im just thinking if its a wast with 7

[steel ridge]

why would it be a waste?

obviously you dont rupture at 7 cp when you have darkest night up

that would be int

[zealous wolf]

i understand now its not 🙂

thank you

do you mutilate again at 5cp for envenoms?

for higer poison bomb chance?

[steel ridge]

no

[zealous wolf]

i mean to get 7 cp

kk

[steel ridge]

only for darkest night

[normal mist]

We finish at 5+ and only force 7 to proc the darkest night buff asap (or if we don't land on an anima charged CP (echoing reprimand))

[sullen phoenix]

is it good idea to auto attack and track envenom to recover for energy?

[steel ridge]

its a bad idea to stop auto attacking

[normal mist]

You should always, no matter the circumstance, be auto attacking

Unless you literally can't be @ the boss

[sullen phoenix]

got it, but maybe i didnt say good

what i meant

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[sullen phoenix]

is it ok to wait for envenom buff to drop at like 2 sec then refresh it

[steel ridge]

oh i know exactly what you mean

[normal mist]

Yeah

[steel ridge]

its kinda what you naturally do if you find a groove with the spec

the energy economy kinda forces you to do wait a bit and not mash buttons

[sullen phoenix]

got it now, damn makes things even harder to track 😄

but i get it, ty 🙂

[normal mist]

It's quite the opposite

You spend time not really doing anything

[steel ridge]

this

[pastel ermine]

!tier

[steel ridge]

you are just grooving along, watching the scenery and slamming huge envenoms if you let amp poison ramp up

[sullen phoenix]

i know but i got lost in all bleed,buff stuff, i guess i just need more time to get used to it

[normal mist]

There's a lot of free time for us to check buffs and debuffs

[steel ridge]

its actually a dps loss to just spam and run dry

[normal mist]

Ilvl and sim

[steel ridge]

[dire ivy]

we doing 2 teas inside KB+ shiv (no DM) right?

[pastel ermine]

how much % is 2pc in st?

roughly

[sullen phoenix]

got it, gotta imrpove then, its my issue 😄

improve*

[normal mist]

Depends if you can use those extra 200 energy

[steel ridge]

like 1.5% or something... its weak

[pastel ermine]

rip thought so

[dire ivy]

so if yes we just send it?

[normal mist]

Yeah

[dire ivy]

thanks

[normal mist]

Just be sure to actually get 100 energy each press

We use tea during shiv windows so we can spam more

[dire ivy]

ye, i def will use them since i keep catching myself mindlessly spamming envenoms even tho i know i shouldnt outside cds

just a thing i cant get rid off from playing higher apm specs like outlaw

[sullen phoenix]

one more small question/confirm, if for some reason i fk up and have KB on cd, should i send Deathmark on cd not waiting for KB?

[normal mist]

Once you learn how to do it, it will be a DPS increase

[normal mist]

Yes

[sullen phoenix]

hahah same issue here i think, i was playing outlaw since bfa switched 1st time to sin now 😄

[sullen phoenix]

tyty

[dire ivy]

yea, usually a quick learner but getting rid of habits is pretty hard for me

[rotund oak]

liquid is cookin'

7/8

[steel ridge]

ye liquid is blasting

[rotund oak]

i think they might win this tbh

they look way more fresh

[steel ridge]

sure they didnt suffer many bans

and didnt pull allnighters

but this will still go over reset, most likely

[rotund oak]

was about to ask where is zealia,the echo bigboi healer

havent seen him

is he banned?

[steel ridge]

they dropped him

[magic fossil]

anything can happen, they will reclear tomorrow, maybe get stuck in princess for a lot of hours

its a marathon guys

[steel ridge]

there was drama

[magic fossil]

echo have it.

[rotund oak]

u mean as removed from the team?

[steel ridge]

yes

[agile gull]

Do we expect tuning this reset ?

[glacial stump]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

😲

[glacial stump]

no

[steel ridge]

not for rogue

[glacial stump]

no tuning

[balmy condor]

oh brother you have not been on twitter lately have you

[rotund oak]

ive been working lately,must have missed some drama

[rotund oak]

yeah man,im wokring 😦

[balmy condor]

he's not good with women allegedly

[glacial stump]

He was called out for abusing women like 2/3 times

[balmy condor]

numerous women

[lethal mortar]

nothing will ever compare to the thrill and excitement ofthe methodjosh drama though

[rotund oak]

need some catching up to do

[steel ridge]

meh

[magic fossil]

joshpriest, fella live with a girl, not girlfriend, attack her? become girlfriend? no anymore, what a mess

i can't even remeber what happened to josh

was so many things

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

underage girl wasn't it

[dire ivy]

yea thats in my memory aswell

[magic fossil]

yeah, its underage or abuse?

or both?

[balmy condor]

well, that was the thing that finally got him

[magic fossil]

i really cant remember

[balmy condor]

but it's not like it wasn't known

[magic fossil]

sco and some people are covering up right

guy was a psycho

[balmy condor]

the entire top end community knew josh was like dm'ing every woman ever and being a weirdo

it wasn't a well kept secret

but then underage and abuse

and it was like GG

[glacial stump]

So top parsing doesnt get you girls

[steel ridge]

people cant even keep shit secret if their lives depend on it, craz

y

[tacit crystal]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax (when it works) is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• MANY BUGS YEP
• Doesn't stack (only apply to one weapon)
• Sometimes just won't work in offhand (apply it to your left slot, whetstone on the right slot)
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip
• Some hitbox weirdness because it's an AoE effect and it won't actually hit adds, especially on larger bosses
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with ""Brax's Brass Knuckles"", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start ""Go Take Candle"". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds"

[magic fossil]

but he was a amazing healer

crazy

[balmy condor]

amazing healer, weird with women

[magic fossil]

but very good

yeap

[balmy condor]

where have we seen this before

[magic fossil]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

GOT YOU

low blow whispyr

[steel ridge]

i am weird with healers and amazing with women

[royal lantern]

what healing does with a mf

[balmy condor]

no you're just weird

[dire ivy]

amazingly weird maybe

[steel ridge]

weirdly amazing

[sinful elk]

few super minor things

do we want to clip rupture/garrote? is there a window where it doesnt matter, or is it better to do etc?
and always have a shiv in the bank for max point envenom darkest night consuming mega slap?

[steel ridge]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[coral ibex]

do we press echoing reprimand regardless of cp amount

[balmy condor]

goes to show you the sheer level of disgusting behavior and mental illness required to play a healer in world of warcraft

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

shiv is for kingsbane, or if you're playing with 1 charge, the end of kingsbane and then on cooldown so you have it back for the next end of kingsbane

[dire ivy]

you pressing even on 7?

[magic fossil]

if healer does that with a person, what making a assa guide thats keep changing every time does?

are u ok whispyr?

[balmy condor]

probably shouldn't but yeah I do

[sinful elk]

ah yes thats right, back to back shivs on kingsbane

[balmy condor]

I'm just better

[sinful elk]

well back to back in the sense of uptime

[balmy condor]

I see a cooldown

I press it

[glacial stump]

[dire ivy]

that never came to my mind i always just send a finisher and do it after without thinking about it

if at 5 or more

[balmy condor]

yeah fair enough

but also

cooldowns on cooldown

[glacial stump]

you mean the guide writer doesnt play to the exact optimal rotation, blasphemy

[coral ibex]

in theory if you keep drifting reprimand it will stop aligning with your other buffs

and/or lose a use

which isnt good

[sinful elk]

is this just a blanket retail thing or did i miss it scanning the talent tree? i did my best to really have a look before asking lol !

[steel ridge]

its a game mechanic for all classes

[sinful elk]

ooooo cool

[balmy condor]

watching the race and seeing deathstalker marks poof every time the intermission happens on council is so fucking funny to me

[glacial stump]

Bro deathstalker feels rough af in keys when you cant restealth

[magic fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/tuppence-coin-flip-two-pence-coin-twirling-coin-gif-26955857

[dire ivy]

did you tell them to just do fatebound so they dont drop it?

[magic fossil]

for council.

[sinful elk]

yeah defs need tank to let combat break for a second is possible

[balmy condor]

yeah dm'ing RWF rogues going "hey the wowhead guide has an easy mode build if you're having trouble"

[glacial stump]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-go-t-sam-mercy-stop-gif-4954655

me to my tank after chain pulling

[magic fossil]

caustic is there to save us in chain pull, dont worry about it

its not that bad

[steel ridge]

the ultimate dunk

[glacial stump]

no mark tho 😢

[dire ivy]

yea the only thing you should be mad about is that you are not getting to silence all the casters on a chainpull

[magic fossil]

vanish and put it again

[dire ivy]

or just darkest night

its a 30s buff

[magic fossil]

ur vanish is exaclty for it

[balmy condor]

the ultimate dunk from the ultimate drunk (I had one double shot)

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

[glacial stump]

Been doing this a lot tbf

[dire ivy]

whispyr do you desync vanish and dm in m+?

[balmy condor]

yeah all the time

[dire ivy]

ok sounds good

[glacial stump]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[orchid cedar]

no tunning this week?

[glacial stump]

No we still suck

[steel ridge]

but we cute

[glacial stump]

hehe

[orchid cedar]

htey wasted no time after HC week

suspicious

[glacial stump]

Race will be over soon dw

[rotund oak]

and then rogue is getting nuked

[glacial stump]

Once they've tuned mages 100 more times were next dw

[steel ridge]

my beloved firemage getting 20% phoenix flame buff

[rotund oak]

they nuked frost

[orchid cedar]

it's hilarious how they push every mage spec

[rotund oak]

kinda

[glacial stump]

[rotund oak]

[orchid cedar]

to be meta and relevant

[steel ridge]

and the spheres are fixed, so big gaming

[orchid cedar]

meanwhile other whole classes are rotten shit

and they don't care

[dire ivy]

they need to nerf arcane so they can buff fire again

[glacial stump]

Its a great time to be a shaman tho

[steel ridge]

fire will be in mdi anyway

[rotund oak]

mage is legit the most overworked class

literally on every weeks notes

what are they doing

all the time

[dire ivy]

you should ask what are the people working on rogue doing

[rotund oak]

i mean ye,but i cant bitch anymore

i just dont care

[steel ridge]

its been quiet about rogue on ptr lately

[rotund oak]

i wanna be happy

[dire ivy]

or other classes on that matter

[brisk plank]

do we want to save one thistle tea charge for end of kingsbane too? for the bonus mastery

[sinful elk]

alright for my last but biggest dummy questions so far - have 7 pts, most tooltips say 1-6.. does the 7th do nothing, or its just the flat 5% bonus the talent infers to applying?

do we ever care for 7 (unless animacharged) other than proccing Darkest Night? hence guides suggesting 5+? finally, is 5+ = more than 5, or 5 OR MORE

apologies for big 1head inquiries

[balmy condor]

no

the tooltip ran out of room

[sinful elk]

surely not

[balmy condor]

I mean idk

[orchid cedar]

can we get a proper aoe cc to remove orbs?

[balmy condor]

but the 7th cp works fine

[balmy condor]

aoe blind

[orchid cedar]

make Blind work as intended maybe?

[balmy condor]

it does

[whole sand]

they should remove all tooltips from the game

[orchid cedar]

it doesn't if you target an orb

[balmy condor]

well yeh

[dire ivy]

aoe blind but target at a mob nearby, not the orb

[sinful elk]

So does 5+ mean I'm mutilating when at 5 points, or 5+ is inclusive and im envenoming/rupturing at 5

[balmy condor]

that's how that mechanic works to be fair

they copy pasted the razageth orbs

and they function the same way

was the same thing with targeted cc like that

[balmy condor]

inclusive

[sinful elk]

copy that. appreciate the help this disc offers!

[steel ridge]

very inclusive discord

[orchid cedar]

a pack of orbs appears behind the pull

[steel ridge]

we have all kind of weirdos, furries, catpeople

[orchid cedar]

and i can't do anything

gotta rely on teammates

[steel ridge]

you can run there and kick one orb

[glacial stump]

Just put a ring of peace down, simple

[orchid cedar]

[dire ivy]

kick is probably used somewhere else tbh

unless boss or smth

[whole sand]

place turnip, blind turnip, simple

[steel ridge]

kidney shot another, then vanish to cheap shot a third one

[balmy condor]

need someone to hit filter with n word or something so I can ban, I've been itching man LET ME BAN THE SPAMBOTS AND DM BOTS ARE NOT ENOUGH IM CHASING THE HIGH

[steel ridge]

dont be that guy

[dire ivy]

if you vanish you can just garrote every orb

with carnage

[whole sand]

without a trace is viable

for 7 more hours

[ornate meteor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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LE's Group
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[pure raptor]

does iron wire also work with the xal'atath affix in m+?

[lethal mortar]

ye

[balmy condor]

wouldn't suggest using it for that

[runic hinge]

Just wait until 11.0.5

[dire ivy]

yea even using it after a pull is kinda annoying cause it keeps you in combat a long time

[runic hinge]

12 seconds of iron wire for orbs

[whole sand]

the combat timer is annoying af

[glacial stump]

is thats whats stopping me from re stealthing all the time 😢

[elfin pier]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[dire ivy]

btw what is putting me out of stealth in mists maze? didnt play rogue when mists was current last time

[balmy condor]

the mobs spawning

[spare nimbus]

What should my m+ stats look like? Like for example 15% haste 20% mastery, 10% crit etc

[dire ivy]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spare nimbus]

ty

Is deathstalker a must for M+?

[balmy condor]

in super high keys yes

[vague flare]

very new to rogue (level 78) so i apologize if this is a dumb question but are you supposed to tab target when you are putting up garrotes and ruptures in your opener on aoe?

[glacial stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIeERWCcc34

[dire ivy]

depends on target count

but carnage usually spreads them

[echo fox]

u spread them with IC

[vague flare]

yeah im just curious if i should train one target and trust that talent or if i should tab target to make sure it hits everything

[whole sand]

above 5 yes

[vague flare]

kk

[whole sand]

if you're lazy no

im lazy af

[vague flare]

not lazy i just wanna do big dam 🙂

[glacial stump]

Bro WHAT it works with rupture too

[whole sand]

its smart so you waste 1 application if you cast it on the same target

[vague flare]

thats what i figured. thanks

[glacial stump]

I thought with bone spike you wanna be manually applying them to other targets

[tawny geyser]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[dire ivy]

bonespikes just go to them aswell

[glacial stump]

0_0

I got this all wrong

[echo fox]

this

If u wanna optimize then tab target

[glacial stump]

So i dont need to freak out trying to spread rupture clicking on shit got damn

[echo fox]

if u don´t care about it just spread them by using ur prio target

[glacial stump]

Just tab to 1 other tho without rupture and that would be 5?

Rupture > tab > rupture ?

[echo fox]

The thing is that if u spam into the same tar u are losing one application

[glacial stump]

yhyh

[echo fox]

So the optimal way is to tab

But tbf "who cares" xD

[dire ivy]

yea if you tab one without you get 6 out of it. so if target count is less then 6 you dont even care

[glacial stump]

Shit dies too quick in these keys im in anyways

[glacial stump]

Thanks for clarification, love that

Ive legit been clicking unruptured shit and causing unnecessary stress

also is it a dps loss to fan of knives with clear the witness up in kb window ST?

[willow grotto]

prioritize 5 stacks of scent of blood, other rupture application is optional

[limber lion]

Yes, do not

[glacial stump]

ok ty

you guys are v helpful

[dire ivy]

i think you never fan on pure ST, it was in the wowhead guide for a time but it seems to be removed

[echo fox]

Does any1 have a scent of blood tracker? my wa only tracks rupture timer

[glacial stump]

I thought you might outside of CDs with clear the witness

just what you do in sub anways

[dire ivy]

ye but with vicious venoms you just do more

[glacial stump]

Not sure how much dmg it does compares to just mutilating

[dire ivy]

its still in the guides opener if you dont have vicious venoms

[glacial stump]

ahhh yes, makes sense

I do play vicious

[dire ivy]

but dont know how up to date that is

you usually dont have vicious if you are in m+ tho

or atleast i dont lol

[elfin pier]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-minus-one-roar-gif-12543133267682759647

[glacial stump]

Yeah, doing the math according to the tooltip, with my gear atm a mutilate with venoms would deal 75% of the damage a FoN with clear the witness up

I'll just listen to what the guide says xD

[dire ivy]

yea

there is doomblades too if you want to do more math.. and a few more

[sudden brook]

#assassination_KINGDOM

[glacial stump]

Chance of a blindside proc too, all makes sense

[spare shoal]

morning team, what is "ctw" abbreviated from

[glacial stump]

Clear the witness?

[spare shoal]

ahh that'd be that, thank you very much

[brisk plank]

do we always save 1 thistle tea charge for the end of kingsbane for the mastery bonus or it doesnt really matteR?

[teal lark]

coming back to tww, how good is assa rogue compared to other melees like dk/dh?

[swift sage]

Is there a reason people are taking improved garrotte in pure single target fights even though the best single target builds say to take dashing scoundrel instead? I checked myself and I simmed higher with dashing scoundrel, but regardless improved garrote is more popular.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/38#boss=2898&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&difficulty=4

[topaz pebble]

bubbling wax still bugged?

[balmy condor]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[swift sage]

thanks

[balmy condor]

Also a lot of people are taking improved garrote

Just because like

It’s kinda weird not to

[swift sage]

they get used to it right?

[marble hemlock]

not having vanish as a dps cd is nice

and bosses this raid like to disappear while your mark expires

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s kinda been a staple mechanic of the spec for almost a decade

[rotund oak]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExanhwNHo3dXlpZjIzdmt0bWxtN2hsbGkwYjk4cXJ0bjEzNWZxcTllbSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/wp2jr91HgnDmNc9wiX/giphy.gif

[novel star]

real and true and based

[normal mist]

Not having to deal with vanish for CDs is such a nice QoL that I don't think I want to move past this build

[sudden brook]

I love sin but these different builds are pissing me off

[oak eagle]

sounds like a skill issue

[rotund oak]

u need to relax bro,its couple of builds anyway

and u swap spatter,maybe

[dire ivy]

im using literally one since the beginning of tww and ive been doing quite fine. just switching caustic or no caustic.

[sudden brook]

I more mean mythic where there's a bunch of diff builds

[spare nimbus]

Was indiscriminate carnage buffed? I swear it was 5 seconds a couple weeks ago?

[dire ivy]

im at rashanan rn, i might have missed it then

[oak eagle]

its been 6 seconds since the start of the expac

[rotund oak]

like in mythic raiding u have pure single target or cleave which is spatter vs the st node.Same build just swap out spatter.Then u have ovinax which is full cleave/aoe,the m+ build

thats all

[sudden brook]

U dont

[oak eagle]

are you playing m+ build for ovinax?

[sudden brook]

Every rogue player is playing a different build

It's pissin me off

[oak eagle]

granted im not at mythic ovi yet, but i was just gonna play cleave build

[rotund oak]

idk,im following whispyr's builds for everything

and works just fine

[sudden brook]

Sap are u progging mythic broodtwister rn

[rotund oak]

no not atm

[dire ivy]

on what fight? the only difference i saw up to rashanan is VV or sanguine blades, not at brood rn

[sudden brook]

Well I am and thats what I'm talkin about

Every rogue on that fight is playing a slightly different build

[spare nimbus]

Out of all rogue specs, where does assa rank in difficulty?

[oak eagle]

honestly

i think the easiest

at least imo

[novel star]

ovinax builds r mostly just take ct or dont take ct right

[dire ivy]

i would say outlaw probably hardest and sub/sin behind that but i guess its different for different people

[novel star]

which is like based on if ur comp has enough aoe dam or not

[novel star]

easiest

sub might be the easiest with dust removed and 1min flag in anniversary

idk

sin prolly still easier even then

snail spec

[royal lantern]

i wanna start mythic, but have to wait for sunday

[oak eagle]

thankfully

my guild is going into mythic this week

[glacial stump]

Lorrgs do be confusing me too

[sullen hollow]

feelsbad we had rashanan at 100m hp yday

[oak eagle]

what is that?

like 5%

[sullen hollow]

i mean isnt it because of set we're playing sanguine now

[royal lantern]

more like 1-2%

[sullen hollow]

so

[sudden brook]

huh

[sullen hollow]

more dmg

[sudden brook]

I'm unsure how your comment relates to what I'm talking about

Every log I'm looking at has 4 piece

It's not like, some do some dont

[royal lantern]

we dont Play poopyblades cus of the horrible set effect lol

[sudden brook]

The context was broodtwister mybad

[sullen hollow]

oh my bad as well

[sudden brook]

all g

[sullen hollow]

then why, i'd rather play vicious venoms over this but this seems better

[royal lantern]

because it isnt better....?

[sullen hollow]

theres gotta be some synergy there somehow thats making that decision, i cannot see why there wouldnt be

[royal lantern]

mate, you realise how weak bleeds are

right

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sullen hollow]

ik, my top dmg is envenom on boss

[elfin pier]

https://tenor.com/view/that-hot-thats-hot-thats-hot-flipped-that-hot-flipped-that-hot-inverted-gif-19052204

[royal lantern]

10% more bleed dmg wont suddenly make you play a talent that makes you use the actually hard hitting stuff less often

[sullen hollow]

so enlighten me again why is poopy blades played more

[sullen hollow]

also yes 1.3%

[royal lantern]

what fight do you look at

[sullen hollow]

almost every st fight, first 4

[dire ivy]

yea there are for example 58% of the assa rogues killing rashanan playing blades

[royal lantern]

people proving once again that talent choices are not a big deal

[crude sequoia]

would u guys suggest the glad leather helm over set piece helm?

i know we can sim this but sometimes i feel like theres another reason than dps numbers for choices

seeing a lot of top rogues run the glad helm

[sullen hollow]

huh, most of them should have pve tier head lol

[haughty flicker]

this might be a dumb question

but i should be able to just yoink the script from whispyrs plater to change color for deathstalker mark and use it in my own right

[crude sequoia]

yeah but isnt the case really

#1 m+ rogue runs pvp helm

[sullen hollow]

80-90% of the ones on wc logs all have 619 hero or champ track helm

[crude sequoia]

yeah i see most do

but was wondering why the selection is different for others

[sullen hollow]

heres why, he can socket it easy

[royal lantern]

mf's look at week2 gear and ask "why are they using this????"

[crude sequoia]

is it wrong to wonder?

[royal lantern]

when the answer is "cus it was the highest thing they have avaible"

like

bruh

common

[sullen hollow]

he only did it because he could socket it, i did this too crafted pvp and added socket, but replaced it as i got hero track tier head

[crude sequoia]

and seems your answer was wrong, its more likely due to socketing

so

sit back

dont talk

[sullen hollow]

and maybe his 4pc was drawn from the other pieces and this was a upgrade

[crude sequoia]

just read

[royal lantern]

he literally told you he replaced it when he got anotger head piece, but sure

[dire ivy]

blades + imp poison is simming 2k ahead of 2x VV for me. sounds awful to switch.

[crude sequoia]

and there are so many other crit mastery head pieces, so why would they not be the better option before getting your set piece?

like

[royal lantern]

2k is nothing tbh

like, look at our numbers lol

[dire ivy]

yea not switching for 2k

[crude sequoia]

it makes sense, thank you

[royal lantern]

is that even 0,2%?

[dire ivy]

yea exaclty 0.2%

[royal lantern]

wtf crist mastery

do you even understand assa

[crude sequoia]

mfer literally got "UwU" in his bio

[sullen hollow]

but generally as assa you dont you want chest to be non tier, and the rest to be tier obv

[crude sequoia]

headass

[royal lantern]

or do you think assa is crit/mastery

[royal lantern]

yeha, and? whats the problem with that?

[crude sequoia]

yeah i had the chest as tier but running with another piece

[crude sequoia]

go put your furry tail on and do something else than trying to be smarter than everyone else

[royal lantern]

like, you understand that assa overall doesnt care about stats, and that its not "lol i want crit mastery"

[soft shale]

too late already 20k mastery

[royal lantern]

oh, fuck off you shithead loser

[soft shale]

my envenoms about to hit like spagets

[normal mist]

Another discussion about stats?

[royal lantern]

im not smarter then everyone else, but i know my assa stuff

[soft shale]

f in doubt get higher ilvl

[royal lantern]

and saying "lol they use PvP head cus crist mastery" just means you dont understand assa and stats

[crude sequoia]

literally tried to ask why some run with pvp helm and shit went crazy

[soft shale]

when everything is 639 we can talk

[crude sequoia]

it doesnt even have crit mastery

[royal lantern]

aka the soec doesnt care about secondarys