assassination

[forest notch]

haha

wait so opposite adivce though

who do I trust lol

[stone yacht]

YMMV. There's no wrong answer in lower keys but in my experience by the time it takes to get all the garrotes/ruptures up just for everything to die before they tick down isn't worth it

but you should just bring both builds into a key and see what works for you

[lethal mortar]

does the sacbrood sim low or something?

[forest notch]

kk ill keep them all in my loadout

[stone yacht]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

the section titled 'the AOE spectrum' does a good job of describing the choices

[forest notch]

kk

ty

probably should have opened that but just saw the side menu and asked here first

[limber lion]

You are definitely wrong there

[velvet nacelle]

is there some weird broodtwister tech where you suicide to start the fight?

[limber lion]

The issue with other builds is that the damage is reliant on Kingsbane and Spatter

[velvet nacelle]

i've found a number of kill logs that start with something like this

[limber lion]

And it takes MUCH longer to get your KB ticking and Spatter to do any relevant damage

[stone yacht]

my point being it's a low key, and the choices aren't going to make or break your run

[limber lion]

Bleed is especially good for lower keys because of Sudden Demise

[velvet nacelle]

oh sorry, hijacking an ongoing conversation, mb

[stone yacht]

I.e. for him to try it out because he isn't g oing to brick his key either way

[clever sapphire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[limber lion]

Very interesting, haven't heard of it personally

Maybe there is

[forest notch]

well tbh Im jumping to like 8-10s right away so not the low end of the specturm ha.

[limber lion]

In those keys you should definitely play the Hybrid build

[forest notch]

I played Assass in Season 3 last league so im not fully dumb on the spec but havent paid much attention to all the S4/TWW changes

Essentially this one the, no arterial and zold

[limber lion]

Correct

[velvet nacelle]

i should probably swap to hybrid but i like DTB too much

[limber lion]

Hybrid uses DTB

[velvet nacelle]

oh i misread that image

[dawn kelp]

The double vanish build feels nice

[limber lion]

Good troll

[velvet nacelle]

i mean more vanish always feels nice but i couldn't work it into any builds

hard to argue with sims

[limber lion]

If it was actually double the amount of vanish

it would be pretty sweet

[velvet nacelle]

that's one thing i do enjoy on outlaw, other than KiR, CDs don't really exist heh

[west pilot]

Any tricks to pumping right now? Other than energy pooling for envenom stack?

(and the obvious CD rotation)

[limber lion]

Practice

[dawn heath]

is this a talent we should try to play around at all? on ST?

[velvet nacelle]

don't be a dumbdumb like me and forget to use kingsbane just beacuse you got a raid mechanic

[subtle tundra]

I've been doing same st with hybrid and bleed

And they sim the same

[limber lion]

lol

[subtle tundra]

Idk I can't see a difference between the two

[prisma crescent]

Swapped to hybrid as soon as I started doing keys

Having some ST is nice

[velvet nacelle]

hybrid feels fantastic

i've accidentally stayed on hybrid for a few ST raid fights and still got (low) purples

[subtle tundra]

I've been swapping between bleed and hybrid and I honestly can't see a difference

Could be because I do piss low keys

To help people farm trinkets

[thorn fjord]

Hybrid is the build that takes ap?

[limber lion]

No

Hybrid takes DTB + Demise

Bleed drops DTB

[barren yarrow]

Ahhhh I’m gonna try that. Thanks Smarrow.

[velvet nacelle]

i'm stuck in low GBs forever

[limber lion]

I personally love the bleed build myself too

[velvet nacelle]

i gave up on a heroic drop skardyns and those are too painful in pugs

[limber lion]

I think in ST it sims like 30k less

But I love me massive Sudden Demise procs

[kind forge]

30k is not much in tww numbers anyway

[limber lion]

Yeh

Sims also don't count SD damage

[dapper cradle]

sacbrood is flayed wing?

[west pilot]

We gotta update that wowhead, #1 rogue is using different talents for raid :V

[kind forge]

lol

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-oh-my-gif-27543046

[arctic socket]

He might be onto something t

[normal mist]

Hidden tech

[fallow canopy]

the hidden stillshroud tech

[arctic socket]

Double vanish on brood might be the move

Get that imp gar spread to the little fukers

Yes it is okay to craft your boots

[spice spire]

#assassination message

[spice spire]

I wish you didn’t sometimes

[uncut knot]

Hey guys, i've seen in command !craft that we are supposed to craft 2x Dawnthread if we aim for MM+, but can we stack the embelishment ?

[arctic socket]

Yes you can

[inner haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[blazing kayak]

How big of a difference is there between playing outlaw in keys vs sin in keys? Am i trolling if i dont play sin?

[tepid lichen]

i don't think you're trolling no

[zealous wolf]

17%

[raw cedar]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[forest notch]

Also it looks like Assass is meh in raid? So I should probably learn Outlaw too or is it sub thats preforming better.

[raw cedar]

how come the !craft recommendation is different from the spreadsheet that says 2x focus lens?

[primal cargo]

Hey ho Iam playing rogue the first time and iam just wondering on one point in my rotation for m+. I skilled Sanguine Blades for the trash fights and it feels fine to manage my energy above 50% but as soon as iam in bossfights iam always low on energy and need to know how important is the talent on boss fights? should i keep it above 50% or dump it for my evenom ?

[nova aspen]

sin is being played in the world first kills

or at least some of them

so no, it is not meh

[nova aspen]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[median igloo]

You sure you not looking at the outlaw build?

[primal cargo]

thank you so much this helps alot !

[brave swift]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[mental plume]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lucid silo]

im so ready to get my 623 cloak from my vault

[coral agate]

Dumb question, how are you guys keeping up DsM on Silken Court?

[limber lion]

By applying it on the target that goes to the middle

Then once you know the next guy goes there, you make sure to apply it to that one instead

[coral agate]

That's what I thought, but it was our first kill so I was still getting use to mechanics and lost track of moving the mark. Wound up having to vanish+ambush >.<

[forest notch]

Still seems below the others though and also Im not really comparing myself to world first people those guys are another level and do all sorts of things to min max as well as a comp to solve their exact problems. So They could be using Assassa rogue for some specific use case vs how it preforms.

So just becuase RWF people are using a spec doesnt always translate to spec = good. Those guys make any spec "good"

but regardless, this i why I asked

as I dont know the answer and was curious if someone did

[willow cloud]

Rogue specs across the board are definitely neither overall damage or (though less so) overall boss damage. Sub and sin are able to pump lots of damage in small windows, which is still useful, as many bosses have burn phases. Stacking rogue on farm won’t make sense, but it doesn’t matter at that point either. The fact that sin and sub are being played in RWF absolutely means their kit (including raid debuff) are almost must haves.

[forest notch]

Ya they were lower on the overall than I thought tbh (all specs).

Might just keep playing my WW for raid and look to rogue for keys

[snow kindle]

timings

[willow cloud]

There is no meaningful dps difference between ww and rogue. WW historically does not scale much (though the now scale better with haste this space IIRC), and so they always start off looking significantly stronger in low gear at start of a tier.

[nova aspen]

ive been told by the mods here that these charts are never accurate

multiple times

as for the reasoning i am not sure

[subtle tundra]

You want a rogue in the raid and none are amazing - > doesn't matter which you play

[keen glade]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[nova aspen]

also sin is doing extraordinary in keys right now

compared to raid

im lovin it personally

[pure bridge]

Having done a few 10's it really helps that you have an Arcane mage or two with 40 stack Spymasters blasting bosses for 2-3mil dps, since our boss damage is only OK. Definitely makes NW 10's more doable. Though we still needed to double spear the 3rd boss.

[wise plume]

yeah im kinda bbq'ing keys

[daring hamlet]

are yall playin fatebound or deathstalker in keys?

[raven egret]

Deathstalker

and is it me or PTR been down for like over 5 days now

[split willow]

Is there an updated spreadsheet with which abilities can be feinted vs evasion vs cloaked?

[subtle tundra]

fatebound is just bad

unless you really dont want to mark

then fatebound is all you have

[stoic knoll]

hey guys, is there any opener that guarantees to get the 7x same flip (Agility buff) for the fatebound build?

[rotund oak]

can confirm,tried to log and it was down yday afternoon

[raven egret]

bummer

[royal lantern]

bait&switch alone makes poopstalker so much better in dungeons, its stupid

[subtle tundra]

thats also true

ive been using evasion so much

for dr

[royal lantern]

bait&switch elusivness evasion is just strong

and smh

that group doesnt belive in the tripple rogue comp

[spice surge]

Too bad ethereal cloak gives dps

[willow cloud]

I’m semi convinced Sin ST being bad is just a group hallucination. Sure, its bad compared to arcane, but Damage to Bosses log charts show Sin in top 5 (and Arcane, BM & Arms auto take the first 3 spots).

[cunning geyser]

bubbling wax is bugged and definitely not worth using in raid right?

[limber lion]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax (when it works) is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• MANY BUGS YEP
• Doesn't stack (only apply to one weapon)
• Sometimes just won't work in offhand (apply it to your left slot, whetstone on the right slot)
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip
• Some hitbox weirdness because it's an AoE effect and it won't actually hit adds, especially on larger bosses
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with ""Brax's Brass Knuckles"", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start ""Go Take Candle"". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds"

[subtle tundra]

im not a ritual knife gamer sorry

[spice surge]

Huh

[subtle tundra]

huh

[royal lantern]

huh

[limber lion]

Surely it's not news

[royal lantern]

the flensing knives thing?

[spice surge]

Spec ethereal cloak, have snd up

[royal lantern]

i thought that was fixed

[spice surge]

Hit mutilate

[subtle tundra]

🤯

[royal lantern]

how much dmg is it

[spice surge]

Like 1.5-2%

On ST

[royal lantern]

bruh

blizz

[boreal glacier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[subtle tundra]

no way man

splinterstorm died

so we can do this

[limber lion]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[coral ibex]

i have a question about the aoe opener - do i need to be tab targeting different mobs to garrote/rupture to spread it properly? or do all of these casts just go on one target and have a "smart" spread?

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[coral ibex]

oh thank you!

ok that makes sense to me

[runic hinge]

I almost never target swap unless the mob is like a caster i wanna iron wire and it missed getting garroted early

[coral ibex]

i’m still getting used to making sure i have bleeds on enough targets, i haven’t played assa in m+ before

[runic hinge]

a good plater profile can help with that

[topaz bough]

At least for me applying poisons to multiple things isn't the problem it's remembering to proc caustic every 10s

[cunning geyser]

When playing vicious venoms why don't we use the clear the witness proc in the opener? Or do we never use it at all?

[limber lion]

Probs mean Clear the Witness

But yeah, you don't use it

Using Mutilate is just straight up better with VV

[cunning geyser]

oooh

I see

[cunning geyser]

even with 1/2 VV ?

[limber lion]

Probs yeh

[kindred flare]

is there an explanation somewhere about using cold blood and fatebound and not messing up coins?

[cunning geyser]

you don't have a talent build to recommend for Ovinax MM by any chance? I'm just copying builds that did great on Hero

[thorn fjord]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[strong elk]

is there a macro page? looking for something that will auto shadow step into ambush without expending both shadowstep charges

[cunning geyser]

I'm sorry but I just want to make sure, it's not just the opener, you never proc clear the witness as a Single target deathstalker VV assa ?

[topaz bough]

just press ambush slightly delayed giving up granular control is always bad

i have ss on v and ambush/mutilate on e so i just press v then e right after and you build muscle memory incase you want to step stun etc

[pure bridge]

M+ is completely different in that in a 10 and up, many of the boss fights will be over if you dont kill it/phase it fast enough. Healers arent human, but they for sure are not having fun in many of the dungeons. Siege of Boralus and Necrotic Wakes so far have been worst from my experience. If you're gapping or even topping other classes in ST that key probably bricked/no leaver.

[severe sparrow]

o speakin of plater, mine is showing a bunch of debuffs i didnt want it to and i didnt realize till i was in the middle of a 9 so i didnt have time to figure it out anyone know what a light purple (lavender perhaps) one that looks like it has 2 swirls or ghost faces or something?

i realize how ridiculous of an ask that is but i dont feel like ive seen it elsewhere

we had a mage, druid heals and tank, and ww

[steel jay]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm vortex]

Do i play broodtwister the same as any other ST fight

but just applying dots to the big ads and splattering em

[unique plume]

Rogues, I need a tricks macro, can anyone share theirs?

🙏

[coral ibex]

the auto misdirect WA is good

[haughty lantern]

^^^

i have it on my hunter, i need to get it working on my rogue

[coral ibex]

“Misdirect” -> “Tricks of the Trade”

[haughty lantern]

also once again does anyone have/know where i can get the like....countdown macro thingy for my shroud of concealment so I can do the countdown outloud for my pug key groups?

[nocturne sorrel]

Is there a site that sims characters?

[slate crown]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[warm vortex]

Any of broodtwisters drops worth anything at all
They seem meh on both sims and paper

[nocturne sorrel]

Thank you!

[sharp echo]

!mut

[nocturne sorrel]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[nimble vector]

press CT as adds spawn and fok > envenom the boss until all the parasites are dead 🙂

[warm vortex]

ah ok
so just play it normally minus the added ct for ads

got it

Still need to get the opener down and the burst window

[pearl ingot]

!crafting

[kindred hinge]

Do we make use of Clear the witness in single target aka boss in M+ ? Or we ignore it

[warm vortex]

i feel like im not getting enough

[pearl ingot]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[warm vortex]

hits in

[coral ibex]

https://wago.io/ryAsZbNdX

[wicked valve]

OH SHIT, we do a second round of ruptures with the bonus combo points from serated spiked before we CT? Fuck, I didnt know

[coral ibex]

https://wago.io/kQ2LnX4zP/3

[novel star]

yes

[haughty lantern]

hi oli 👋

[novel star]

it’s better than mutilate unless you have vicious venoms talented

[novel star]

yo

[haughty lantern]

tbf you also have to be smart about it*

[lime crypt]

in a perfect world, will we always have double tea for kb?

[iron valve]

if there's targets without rupture, yeah

[cunning geyser]

I've read wowhead guide but I'm unsure about something and want to know for sure. If I play Vicious Venoms 1/2 as deathstalker, I never ever proc the clear the witness with FoK right? I just press mutilate and ignore the buff?

[wicked valve]

Dam Im an idiot. I been slappin without doing the proper pull either. wow, makes so much more sense.

[warm vortex]

Also how much does messing up your opener

affect your dps

like misordering some thins

[haughty lantern]

did your tank pull like 4 or fewer things?

Ambush (to apply mark), imp garrote, rupture, then CT, then imp garrote/rupture to try and tag that 4th add. Ideally you ambush on the biggest dude in the pack so you can double back to him and wombo him for spatter onto the remaining victims.

Did your tank pull like a maniac?

Attempt to spam Imp Garrote back to back to spread it to as many things as possible, then double rupture to also spread it to as many things as possible, then FoK in a dense add pack, then CT

that's my strat at least and i seem to make things pretty ded

[topaz bough]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[haughty lantern]

aoe opener or st opener?

[sharp echo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[warm vortex]

ST

[runic hinge]

i shiv after kb sometimes and im still getting oranges

[haughty lantern]

ST opener / burst dps combo is actually pretty important iirc

primarily making sure you line up the Deathmark (your red icon big 2 minute CD)

because the general idea is you apply that, then shiv/tea yourself to beef yourself up, THEN apply kingsbane, then go to town

the idea scenario in pure ST is to have a tea+shiv "effect" up for both the beginning and end of your KB

[raw cobalt]

do you guys also feel really energy starved on st? or man i doing things wrong

?

[topaz bough]

we are starved st

it just is what it is

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[haughty lantern]

I.....am not 100% sure why, but if you KB before you Deathmark, it's bad. I don't know why, that's just what hekili tells me

[cunning geyser]

When playing Ovinax MM would it be smarter to play Radiant Power in mainhand instead of Authority of the depths?

[topaz bough]

that's a supportive microbe

[warm vortex]

Yea, kingsbane last
got it

[haughty lantern]

ye. it's not a HUGE deal. Really it only matters if you're trying to like UBER minmax.

[royal lantern]

bro, swapping enchants on a fight-to-fight basis sounds giga cooked

[normal mist]

DM duplicates bleeds and poisons

[runic hinge]

I mean I am, but my brain and fingers don't wanna work together

[haughty lantern]

you telling me your wallet can afford swapping enchants just for a single boss?

[haughty lantern]

so i suppose my question now is: is DM retroactive? or does it only duplicate after it's applied?

[earnest remnant]

parasites arent really an issue, you are there to do boss dmg, and provide slight cleave

[spice surge]

Its both

[normal mist]

It is retroactive

It works both ways

as Eleem said

[haughty lantern]

so in theory you could KB before DM and still be MOSTLY fine? (like i said i only am reporting what I have learned from hekili so I am trying to learn WHY hekili tells me the things it does so I can be smarter than the addon)

[normal mist]

So going into KB with already double poisons running on the boss, is better than KB and THEN having double poisons on the mob

[haughty lantern]

I only want to use Hekili to help my "adhd gremlin headass" help me track poisons/bleeds, time my envenoms to pool properly, etc

[novel star]

i mean you dm before kb for poison applications

[haughty lantern]

(i don't have the ability text memorized) does DM apply all 4 poisons?

[earnest remnant]

it dublicates your poisons

[cunning geyser]

I'm an outlaw main and I just swap to assa for this fight, I have a 626 weapon not enchanted and I might play assa ONLY for this fight

[earnest remnant]

so you get twice as many applications

[normal mist]

Which means you CAP KB faster

[normal mist]

KB stacks to 50

[runic hinge]

Also if you're playing DS you have lingering darkness

[haughty lantern]

so it's a rate thing, gotcha

[earnest remnant]

so you are wanting to swap away from outlaw on the one fight it might actually be quite decent at?

am i getting that right

but yeah

you could go radiance

then

wont really matter

but yeah

[cunning geyser]

we're hard target capped there are way too many parasites

[feral mason]

is there any particular way to minmax mad queens mandate or nah

just send on cd?

[novel star]

just use it after your cooldowns

[feral mason]

yy ofc

[haughty lantern]

mfw I did nothing more than a ST build with spatter on Ovinax and i still beat the arcane mages and afflock in our guild

[earnest remnant]

you wont do alot to them as assa either lol

[royal lantern]

the target cap cope

[dull cloak]

Is sniping low hp mobs with DN buff and making it spatter a thing you do as sin?

[honest needle]

whats the embelishment called we put on our wrist craft ?

[royal lantern]

always on time with the targe cap cope

[normal mist]

dawnthread

[haughty lantern]

DTL: Dawnthread Lining

[honest needle]

ty

[novel star]

in like m+ you would prolly try to execute with mandate

[warm vortex]

So it's still just this for brood right
and when you get KB you just shiv and tea before
but save 2 teas for the DM one
where its like
DM before tea then shiv the other half of KB

[novel star]

but not on bosses

[earnest remnant]

im blasting parasites bro

[honest needle]

@haughty lantern i have weapon crafted so isnt there another embelishment that goes good with that ?

[haughty lantern]

yeah sounds to me like you got it at least

[haughty lantern]

ah i ave no idea. should've mentioned that first.

i just did wrist + belt with double DTL

[novel star]

havoc incident

[runic hinge]

outlaw brain thinks every pull is 15 mobs

[honest needle]

ya i had no luck on getting a weapon

[haughty lantern]

ARE YA READY KIDS????

[honest needle]

so i crafted

[warm vortex]

Ye i just need to do the order well which i might struggle with haha

[novel star]

me start mythic today

[haughty lantern]

this is why i use hekili. the training wheels work well imo.

[royal lantern]

its more like

i didnt even do curve yet cus LMAO vacations fucking us , but just from watching broodtwister M i see that its not a fight where you do big aoe as the rogue

[haughty lantern]

heck i think i will eventually just tune hekili to just be a useful WA to track my poisons n shit

[novel star]

you’d honestly be better off uninstalling hekili and putting a note on your screen with mrt or whatever

that tells you the opener order

if that’s all ur using it for

[haughty lantern]

OH i know the opener order

[royal lantern]

just download the wa then??

[novel star]

cus it’s gna grief you for the rest of the fight

[royal lantern]

like, bruh

[haughty lantern]

i'm laaaaazzyyyyyyy

[normal mist]

Summer

Do it for us

[haughty lantern]

and im still topping my guilds dps meters

[normal mist]

and then for yourself

[royal lantern]

so you wanna spend hours adjusting stuff in a shity addon that is barely functional for rogue

[haughty lantern]

ALSO i'm not at home rn so i couldn't do it rn if i wanted to

[novel star]

me too but i’m not happy about it

[royal lantern]

instead of pressing Str+V on weakauras

[normal mist]

You gonna do it when you get home?

[novel star]

me topping the meters means the rest of my guild isn’t good at their classes

[haughty lantern]

if i remember yes

[novel star]

which makes me sad

[normal mist]

Good, you'll be even better

[novel star]

i belong in the middle as sin rogue

:(

[haughty lantern]

this is....my guild to a fault

we have like...5-6 of us that do keys, go hard in the paint, etc

the rest are casual turbo shitters that just play for fun

[runic hinge]

me three but i am happy about it

[novel star]

i mean it feels good seeing yellow bar on top

but

i wish the arcane and havoc were at full power u know

would make bosses faster and easier

[waxen oyster]

i mean sin seems ok for brood

[novel star]

we good there cus spatter

[cunning geyser]

can you link the log please?

[waxen oyster]

It's an ID log

[nova aspen]

wtf did boomkin get in the last tuning

[waxen oyster]

you tell me

[cunning geyser]

ah

[nova aspen]

why are they bursting like 13 mil dps on some pulls

[cunning geyser]

can you share the talent build by any chance pls?

[nova aspen]

(in aoe)

[waxen oyster]

its just standard spatter

[feral mason]

delete boomkin

[waxen oyster]

shadow is just a gamer tbh

[shy creek]

If you rupture a target, and carnge spreads to two people, and you rupture them again, does it spread to two NEW targets, or the same old two targets in a pack?

[novel star]

two new

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[shy creek]

Thank you

[earnest remnant]

CT abuser

[spice surge]

Whats wrong with CT

[earnest remnant]

tbf the single target diff is rather small

[spice surge]

it prob does more ST

[earnest remnant]

it does not

but its close

[novel star]

singular focus moment

[subtle tundra]

silken court is way too much of a sub fight

[cunning urchin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[subtle tundra]

rip

[runic hinge]

ohh you drop VV for ct, nice

[waxen oyster]

dont think he has CT does he

[ashen scroll]

does the extra CT bleed dmg reduce if the addtional targets die during the bleed? like its 100% extra dmg at 5 targets, but if 4 targets die 1s after appliation, does it stay 100%?

[waxen oyster]

his logout setup has master assassin though for some reason

[earnest remnant]

its from that log

so yeah he did

[spice surge]

No, it stays

[ashen scroll]

oh thats good

[silent stratus]

any alternatives to ironclaw whetstone? (they are currently 2k gold each 💀 )

[ashen scroll]

mana oil is what i use

[runic hinge]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax (when it works) is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• MANY BUGS YEP
• Doesn't stack (only apply to one weapon)
• Sometimes just won't work in offhand (apply it to your left slot, whetstone on the right slot)
• If you die, wax instantly stops working and you have to unequip your dagger and re-equip
• Some hitbox weirdness because it's an AoE effect and it won't actually hit adds, especially on larger bosses
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with ""Brax's Brass Knuckles"", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start ""Go Take Candle"". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds"

[ashen scroll]

and wax

[zenith prairie]

Can we ct the orbs in m+ to snap shot on a boss then??

[novel star]

just use algari mana oil yeah

[runic hinge]

i use 1 wax one oil

[silent stratus]

do kobold have high % of having wax on them? or it's a low drop % ?

[proven jasper]

You pickpocket it from them after completing the quest

[runic hinge]

it's decent

[proven jasper]

Its just rng

[runic hinge]

I got like 3 in a row once

[slate crown]

It's relatively high. You can farm them up pretty quickly

[haughty lantern]

takes me like...10 minutes to farm up a stack

[novel storm]

Boys, I mostly play m+, Im wondering how much of a difference is between ascension+writhing vs 2x dawnthread, what is the go to craft and is it even that big of a difference?

[waxen oyster]

embellishes barely do shit

[cunning geyser]

We're using northern sky package for auras on Ovinax and the markers keep changing from one pull to another on the worms, any idea how to fix this?

[silent stratus]

are we confident about the current status of sacbrood sim? i.e. if sim suggests another trinket, is it reliable?

[spice surge]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

!wa

[spice surge]

It sims correctly

[prisma monolith]

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[silent stratus]

ty

[novel star]

quite small difference but dawnthread is just better

[runic hinge]

rip

[novel star]

in m+

[novel star]

what u replacing it for

[silent stratus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocYLnkwwKLqLsYA6MYxu8h

sacbrood 606 performs worst than toxin 603 and crystal 603

[runic hinge]

void reapers

[novel star]

ah

[novel storm]

I see thanks. One more question, for +9 and +10 should we go with bleed or rather hybrid build?

Ive only played bleed, timed couple of 9s and am wondering if hybrid would have been even better

[novel star]

definitely hybrid

at that lvl imo

depends on ur group probably but in my experience hybrid already feels better at like 5s

ima bleed denier

[waxen oyster]

idk i play bleed in guild groups if its below a 9

[novel storm]

Gotta try it out then for sure. Gameplay and mashing buttons are the same yea?

[waxen oyster]

[novel star]

ya

no rotation change just different numbers

[nova horizon]

I'm currently 585 and tried both bleed and hybrid in +3 and had so much more damage with hybrid. 850-900k overall

[waxen oyster]

you hit ambush first

[novel star]

i guess on bosses you have double shiv cd order but whegevr

[nova horizon]

It was really surprising

[novel star]

i mean bleed/hybrid has nothing to do with fb ds

or wdym

blindside?

[haughty lantern]

hey guys, any suggestions on what sacrifice i should make to the loot gods for a good vault tomorrow?

[waxen oyster]

idk ds does benefit hybrid more

bigger envs

[novel star]

i just assume ppl default to ds regardless tbh

[novel storm]

I always play ds, love it

[novel star]

open vault with your feet on the mouse

[novel storm]

When do you pop shiv with only 1 charge?

Last bit of kb?

[waxen oyster]

grats on your cloak

[novel star]

last 8s of kb

yeh

[novel storm]

Its only reasonable

Thanks man

[novel star]

np

i should get out of bed

goobye

[cunning geyser]

We agree that bubbling Wax is still bugged and shouldn't be used?

[slate crown]

that's up to you. It's definitely bugged. Whether or not you want to accept the risk of it breaking and you not remember to equip your weapon is up to you

[cunning urchin]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[honest needle]

i crafted weapon and wrist should i spend the rest of my runed to upgrade my gear or should i save the runed ?

[static glacier]

about to start brood, is it a ct angle or is that pad

[honest needle]

suggestions ?

[tough widget]

how big is dps increase of 2set and 4set respectiveley?

anybody knows?

[spice surge]

3% total

[tough widget]

both?

[spice surge]

its fine

[static glacier]

ct isnt target capped

[waxen oyster]

raidbots

[silent stratus]

do we use ambush with blindside proc?

ST

[tired gull]

you don't have the option not to

[pliant remnant]

[tranquil ruin]

im confused as to how crimson tempest is doing less damage than rupture st despite having more dps on the tooltip

[spice surge]

Tooltips lie

Theyre almost always inaccurate

[runic hinge]

isn't the datamined tooltip thing from 11.0.5 the ct tooltip being updated?

[polar gate]

Overall, do you still think the ara kara Sacbrood trinket is still worth it for the assassination? I just dropped it

[solid venture]

with darkest night buff up + echoing reprimand, we can consume it at any animacharged cp right? don't need to do a 7cp envenom then ?

[lethal arrow]

yes

[cerulean burrow]

is there a certain amount of stats we want for our build to work or ?

[keen remnant]

how pandemic is calc.? 30% duration?

[hollow pier]

It finally got fixed?

[lethal arrow]

its been fixed for a while now

you can tell cuz it eats the buff after envenom on an animacharged CP

[hollow pier]

I've been off rogue for a minute, hadn't seen any post about it

[runic hinge]

it's the third pin, you can read about it there

[hollow pier]

Appreciate it

[safe barn]

one thing ive been having issues with is the cd usage in m+

any tips?

i often find myself only using the cds in bosses

[runic hinge]

press them more

always send

[shut owl]

If KB is coming up at the start of a pull, don't faff about with big opener, just launch KB and spatter hard.

[cerulean burrow]

are there any cooldowns I will want to keep track of as an assination player ? and if so which ones should i have in my peripheral vision that are important?

i feel like im energy starved

and liike i can never press anything.....

[shut owl]

Energy starved is normal; pins and guides will help. We have a very low apm compared to most.

[waxen oyster]

read the guide

[lucid silo]

Is anyone soloing t8 delves consistently on sin? I'm having a rough time with all the damage incoming

[cerulean burrow]

which guide?

[waxen oyster]

yes

[runic hinge]

tricks bran

[lucid silo]

Do you have him as DPS

[runic hinge]

no

[waxen oyster]

i finish most delves in like 5 minutes

[lucid silo]

Ok healer bran + tricks

[shut owl]

Do anything you can to get bran to throw potions early. And let the potions trickle. If he's above lvl 25 you're going to be healing for 500k or more per tick. From there it's just knowing how hard you can pull.

[cerulean burrow]

which one ? i saw one in wow head and one in icy veins which one is better you think ?> or is ther a betetr one than those ?

[cunning basin]

!wa

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[shut owl]

If you don't die in one shot, bran pots can keep you up through damn near anything

[waxen oyster]

Wowhead I guess

I think outlaw is better in delves though

[safe barn]

good solve

[lucid silo]

Seems easy enough. Are any of the delves pretty rough? Or basically all doable

[waxen oyster]

vanish+evasion cdr

sinkhole if you dont have eyes

[worldly bridge]

Hey could anyone explain to me how Arterial Precision is better than Sanguine Blades or the envenom thing that regens energy ? I mean on pure ST

Feels weird

[waxen oyster]

might be harder

[runic hinge]

30% bleed damage during dm is good

[static glacier]

shiv is fake since the dmg increase doesn't spatter, thus never shiv if your kb target won't live the full kb or you're losing spatter damage

[shut owl]

Play what is comfy for you they are close. Sim it.

[worldly bridge]

Yeah but 30% all the times looks gud

[shut owl]

Sanguine is not 30% all the time for free though

It's 30% at a notable energy expenditure.

[worldly bridge]

yeah true fair enough.

[runic hinge]

and you're not always above 50%

[royal lantern]

i mean

in aoe it is

[shut owl]

I prefer dashing scoundrel during prog tbh, just lets me spam more feints and shit.

[runic hinge]

he said pure ST

[royal lantern]

do i look like as if i read??

[orchid wind]

guys i feel like my rupture isn't doing that much of dps compared to logs i checked , any tips ?

[shut owl]

Also aoe is not "all the time"

[static glacier]

im not sure that's how it works

[runic hinge]

you don't

[royal lantern]

bless you

[royal lantern]

wdym with that

[static glacier]

in theory extra energy is used for low prio stuff like envenom, you never lose uptime on gar / rup / feint due to a lack of energy, you lose env uptime

[shut owl]

Mo energy, mo feint usage without feeling it in the energy pool?

[runic hinge]

if i have more energy im pressing envenom not feint

[tawny pawn]

guys we still doing 2 leth?

[static glacier]

based

[shut owl]

I don't trust when one of my raid heals has 2 fps on council.

I'm hitting feint

[runic hinge]

also idk if you've seen sin's damage graph but dm is like when you do all your damage

[royal lantern]

2fps???

mate, dont need to brag about his NASA PC tf

[shut owl]

When we are past prog, I will hit envenom and prolly swap to art again

[dire cradle]

cann somebody help me i have a problem with my kingsbane makro it dosent work since i got the kingsbane dagger

[shut owl]

[runic hinge]

link dagger

[shut owl]

Are you using the queensblade fist?

[loud light]

I hope it's https://www.wowhead.com/item=128870/the-kingslayers

[proven jasper]

[proven jasper]

Got those in my bag still

[dire cradle]

https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=225636/königsmord this one

[static glacier]

anyone have a wa that shows a lit up sprint or something when time spiral has been used

[tawny pawn]

bro everyone running Resounding clarity but sims says i gain 1.5% with 2/2 lethality...

[static glacier]

don't wanna miss out on free sprint uptime

[runic hinge]

when your damage graph loos like this the 2 shivs during dm is a lot more damage than sanguine

[smoky dome]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n6tqJdYxhRC8zwPv#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=20
Friend is asking what they are doing wrong I don’t play rogue, but if there’s anything that significantly stands out plz help.

[proven jasper]

Konigsmord

[dire cradle]

its the same name like the ability

[real granite]

FUCKING FINALLY FUCKING FUCKING FINALLY

[shut owl]

Yeah that shouldn't be affecting anything? What are you macroing

That's literally just a knife

[loud light]

yeah I think the question is what does the macro do

[lethal arrow]

as you run keys you'll get a feel of downtime between bosses

just use the cds accordingly

[royal lantern]

im at 26 runs with nothing

[shut owl]

Also why are you macroing KB? Are there even 1mins to macro to it?

[spice spire]

They’re not using their hero power at all?

[runic hinge]

-.6 for me

[spice spire]

Also they missed a kb altogether

So like

Their damage gonna suck for sure

Rotationally base level is fine

[smoky dome]

That sounds significant

[spice spire]

Garrote was a little low

[spice spire]

We deal tank damage without hero power

They gotta open with ambush from stealth

Or they don’t apply marks at all

[shut owl]

Or play fatebound.

[spice spire]

If they play fatebound they gotta ambush

[smoky dome]

Thank yaur

[spice spire]

Which they did not with their current build

No worries

[static glacier]

have thye looked at a guide? their opener is turbocooked

[smoky dome]

Recommendations?

[static glacier]

pot used on pull, cds sent 30s in

[runic hinge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Yeah turns out I’m old as dirt

[shut owl]

I meant play fatebound instead of stalker. Do we not garrote open on FB?

[cerulean burrow]

what is pandemic...?

[smoky dome]

I see a dratnos but it’s old

[loud light]

they also went 2 minutes without casting kingsbane again, so they're not watching their CDs very closely either

[spice spire]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[static glacier]

just have them watch whispyr's guide, as long as it is it does offer a comprehensive guide

or read wowhead

[spice spire]

You do

But with fatebound could be worse with them balancing vanish as a cd as well

Since they’re having issues with 2

[lethal arrow]

give them the wowhead guide in assassination faq

[shut owl]

True. But fatebound is also less mental to think about than stalker at a beginner lvl imo.

[lethal arrow]

itll solve like 90% of their problems

[orchid wind]

guys i feel like my rupture isn't doing that much of dps compared to logs i checked , any tips ? is it because packs dying fast, or i'm not rupturing enough ?

[cerulean burrow]

I am so confused by this

[shut owl]

Stalkers got that whole mini game of "is my boss about to steal my mark forever in this intermission" going on with it.

[cerulean burrow]

so this is what i would follow if i dont have ambush ?

[tawny pawn]

maybe im high on other secondary?

[lethal arrow]

whats the confusing aspect

[shut owl]

Watch the video mate. It will be easier than trying to parse that while unfamiliar

[cerulean burrow]

the bottom one ? also im confused by wehre these serrated bone spikes are comign from.... im not even talented into it....

[runic hinge]

what's your crit like?

[static glacier]

then you won't get cp from them

and you have to generate

[spice spire]

Not really on sikrai- you just pound boss when dn procs you max cp

Chuckling

Silken and stuff?

Oh yeah

[cerulean burrow]

do i have to redo my UI if i play assa? like do i visually have to see all the buff on the name plates at all times to play effeciently ?

[spice spire]

That’s some mental

[cerulean burrow]

debuffs*

i meant to say sorry

[runic hinge]

silken stupid, idk the timings, boss just running from me

[shut owl]

Yeah. And big beetle at start

[lethal arrow]

it would help but its not super necessary

[shut owl]

Have had him run off after parrying my last envenom

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Yoinking one of the groups in the first bit

Will help a ton!

Platers are different

[royal lantern]

talking about parry

I LOVE THAT BLOODBOUND CAN PARRY :)))))

[static glacier]

probably, yeah. though you can make do with your primary target kinda keeping track of dot up[time

[lethal arrow]

for single target you can just track it on a weakaura and use that info accordingly for adds

[shut owl]

KB parries are delicious.

[loud light]

I'm pretty sure yesterday I got parried by rashanan in dawnbreaker and was very mad about it

[royal lantern]

ye rashan can parry aswell

very fun

[lethal arrow]

i got parried by ansurek like 3-4 times in a row

[royal lantern]

just stand behind him OH WAIT

[lethal arrow]

really good for my rotation i think

[strong wing]

!wa

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[shut owl]

I had opening ambush, KB, and envenom all parried in my opener last night on dawnbreaker -_-

[slate crown]

There is a way to become immune to boss parries

[cerulean burrow]

so... is it basically apply dots then use crimson tempest then fan of knives then slice and dice then echo then deathmark and kings bane into fan oif knives and envenoms >? is that kind of it?

[runic hinge]

forbidden technique

[shut owl]

Not when they hang their ass off the side of the boat

[tawny pawn]

Guys am i too late to cry about they not bringing toxic blades back and letting our shiv free?

[slate crown]

So forbidden

[lethal arrow]

secret forbidden creative mode technique

[shut owl]

Too many bosses reading strat videos nowadays. "Parry that pesky rogue in one easy step"

[runic hinge]

prob cause you have way more crit

[cerulean burrow]

how do my stats look for assa deathstalker?

bad or do i need more of something ?

[runic hinge]

perfect

[cerulean burrow]

also is the 2 piece and 4 piece important?

[runic hinge]

stats are fake

[lethal arrow]

mfw im sitting on 40% mast

[loud light]

in aoe, your goal is generally to get up bleeds first since they fuel your energy regen via venomous wounds (and give scent of blood stacks). once you've got that established, you can go into pumping nature damage via envenoms and caustic spatter

[cerulean burrow]

!caustic spatter

boooo

[spice spire]

You press Mut on a mob with bleeds

[cerulean burrow]

!scent of blood

[spice spire]

And it spreads

What do you need

[tawny pawn]

there is one thing important there then im noticing to improve my dps: remember to try to proc this

[cerulean burrow]

boooooooo

[runic hinge]

brother open your talent page

[balmy condor]

Bro is just typing commands until something works

[runic hinge]

theyre all there

[lethal arrow]

hes testin everything

[cerulean burrow]

hey it was wortha shot

[golden loom]

!99parseguide

[balmy condor]

I mean what did you expect would happen

[cerulean burrow]

im so new to this im literally like an infant child

[runic hinge]

!69parseguide

[lethal arrow]

!howtododamage

[cerulean burrow]

!infantchild

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

Got you dog

[loud light]

people have already recommended it but whispyr's videos on ST and M+ do walk you through the basics of what the talents do before getting into the rotation itself if you don't just want to read a guide

[cerulean burrow]

yeah i know im reading them some of the guides are a little confusing but im trying to figure it all out

[loud light]

they're good!

[runic hinge]

i parsed a 67 on H rasha'nan cause i died

didnt quite get the 69

[cerulean burrow]

youtube im assuming ?

that might help me a lot

[golden loom]

if you ever die, just spam "wipe" or "reset", cant risk your own parse!

[runic hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdpGDTwuSqRBdXYnMBF1ayg

[runic hinge]

was our only pull and the last one of the night so i wanted the vault slot more than i wanted the parse

[cerulean burrow]

thhank you

[molten cosmos]

Yo is it useful to track the arakara trinket or we don't care?

[weary juniper]

One question, is normal that with 4% hastw (no slicendice) i run out of energy faster than with 8% ? XD

[runic hinge]

why are you not casting slice and dice

[weary juniper]

The dps its kinda decent compared to my friends in m+ +raid, but i run out of energy faster

[weary juniper]

I do it, but is to let the ppl know the base haste xd

[little tulip]

not really, it's not a builder or a spender related buff

[runic hinge]

haste is placebo

[pure falcon]

is assassin pve fun?

[golden loom]

yes

[weary juniper]

I just sim myself on every upgrade

[little tulip]

i only track kingsbane/garrote/rupture/crimson tempest

don't really see the point in watching deathmark cause it's the first thing you do when setting up your damage

[pure falcon]

im deciding between assassin vs arcane mage

[little tulip]

like shiv is more valuable

[weary juniper]

u use CT on 1target boss?

[little tulip]

no of course not that's not smart

[pure falcon]

how is rogue performance in delves

[weary juniper]

aaah okey okey xd

[sullen hollow]

delves

[little tulip]

you don't track ct on chain pulls

cmon

there's an author's note somewhere about using ct in st tho but yeah too comfy already

clear the witnesses hero talent page something

[waxen oyster]

delves are trivial meme content

[pure falcon]

havent done any

[waxen oyster]

that was all of content last week

[willow wren]

What's like max aoe talents for early brood prog

[lethal arrow]

think some ppl are just slotting CT and calling it a day

[willow wren]

Ye but what if adds live extra long in ur guild...

[golden loom]

feel like spatter is enough but maybe CT is worth it?

[spice surge]

IC or scent is not worth it

[willow wren]

anyone got a string

[little tulip]

sudden demise is better in pvp battlegrounds honestly

[lethal arrow]

just refresh CT if the adds live no? lol

[balmy condor]

CT isn’t really worth it either

Adds are too spread generally

[willow wren]

ye I will drop ct later just want it early

[lethal arrow]

hard to get CT on the worm especially

[spice surge]

They get gripped together though

Since its almost worth using CT on singletarget i dont see why we wouldnt want to use it

[cerulean burrow]

is thistle tea used in between those or ?

this thistle tea confuses me

[lethal arrow]

its off gcd

so yea

just press it as ur pressing KB

[urban trench]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[urban trench]

!afenar

i want standard afenar

[cerulean burrow]

can i macro them or is it not really a good idea ?

[slate crown]

Then use wago.io and search for it

[cerulean burrow]

ok

[lethal arrow]

actually

do not do that LOL

nvmd

[cerulean burrow]

oh ok

lol

[waxen oyster]

Idk how people use standard afenar

he tracks too much useless crap

[lethal arrow]

i lied

[balmy condor]

Good boy

[lethal arrow]

me when i spread misinformation

[uncut dragon]

Hey guys, just got Mad Queen's Mandate, I can't get it to macro to deathmark. if I /cast deathmark and then /cast mad queen's mandate it doesn't proc, neither does cast/use 13 or 14. I can't put it ahead of deathmark because it has a channel. Am I doing something wrong?

[waxen oyster]

deathmark is on global

[lethal arrow]

you'd have to press the macro twice

[soft crag]

Hi, I'm looking for a WA to track my splash

[candid nacelle]

hey guys 🙂 anyone here to help me up how to improve? xD
Mists +6
https://gyazo.com/296576d1c78c841f61cd561a18f1478b

[balmy condor]

You also shouldn’t be casting mandate during deathmark

[pulsar plank]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[urban trench]

you need more ätzender spritzer bruv

[uncut dragon]

pressing twice still doesn't proc mad queen's. WHen Should I use it Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

After deathmark when your shared cd is done

[candid nacelle]

i apply it and then spread it with "dolchfächer" and "vergiften"

[shy pecan]

You’d need a castsequence to press it twice.

[uncut dragon]

So finish my whole deahtmark/kingsbaine window them mad queen it

[dense talon]

Why do we use vanish in an AOE opener sequence? Is it For buff stacks of Kingsbane?
Can we use deathmark without kingsbane available?

[golden loom]

You probably have improved garotte in ur aoe build, which vanish procs

[lethal arrow]

kingsbane lines up with deathmark usually

[knotty oak]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[willow wren]

something like this early? then drop ct and thrown precison for ttb and arterial precsion later into prog?

[tawny pawn]

welp im gonna reroll my double dawnthreads for the crafted dagger, i guess.

[pliant remnant]

Where's the Königsbann?

[tawny pawn]

636 dagger kinda crazy

[cerulean burrow]

every time i do garrot garrot rupter rupture i have no CP and i cant get this slice and dice out ....

[lethal arrow]

theres a multiate there before the snd

for that exact reason

[dense talon]

But the pack is already debuffed with improved garrote as I come out of stealth. Why is vanish recommended in opening sequence?

[cerulean burrow]

hold on let me try it again sorry

sorry i meant to say for that crimson tempest

ill garrot garrot rupture rupture then have no CP for the crimson tempest

[earnest remnant]

missin some garrotes

[cerulean burrow]

ok

[pliant remnant]

is this the real life

is this just fantasy

[fluid pumice]

Stonevault 11 isn't real

Fuck the rock bitch

[lethal arrow]

worst case u can just fan of knives

[upper spear]

are you referring to the top or bottom part of the image

[cerulean burrow]

i got it i had garrots available to use with energry ii wasnt using so

it works now

[lethal arrow]

👍

[cerulean burrow]

i was mistaking somenthing in the accelerated explination i heard

which threw me off

[soft crag]

Hi, I'm looking for a WA to track my splash, only for splash if possibel

[earnest remnant]

splash?

[upper spear]

Spatter?

LE had an option for it, just delete all the stuff u wont use

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[boreal aurora]

Tbh it’s probably dependent on the pull size. I’ve vanished mid pack to get garrote silences back up or if we chain pull. Mainly it’s to be able to continue spreading garrotes and ruptures on max targets.

[slate crown]

Most packs have spatter

it's a debuff on target

you can make one with template auras if you don't want to take one from a pack

[waxen field]

Hello, i was wondering, what's the recommanded use for thistle tea in single target situation ? Afaik, lining it up with any kingsbane/deathmark timing is better, but Im not sure if i should either thistle at the start of kingsbane or the end (because on kingsbane only timing i only got one charge)

ive read a bit, some ppl said that it's only a matter of using it with shiv but since you use shiv with kingsbane

[vivid nexus]

what are the best first 2 crafts for assa m+ ?

[upper spear]

I spent like 2 hours ediitng your UI groupings to create my own abomination @slate crown thank you for your service

[runic hinge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[vivid nexus]

i find so many options in diffent guides

[spice surge]

It also doesnt really matter

[upper spear]

IMO you use it to maintain ENV buff, but try and use more during KB. I'd confirm this with someone smarter than me but this has been working well

[spice surge]

Because the difference is very small

[vivid nexus]

thx mate

[tranquil ravine]

Damage question. Is 500k - 750k (606 ilvl) on normal raid boss fights adequate? On fights with relatively no movement I’m at around 750k but drop off hard with the fights with a lot of mobility.

But I see mages and shamans doing 1m+ with less gear. He’ll even Ret palies are doing more.

I’m usually the only rogue. My sim has me at roughly 750k as well.

[runic hinge]

I do ascension cause I care about raid and also maybe it helps me do more dps in m+ on the bosses that take forever and I have mid single target on

[balmy condor]

Tea during shiv for energy

[tranquil ravine]

So just trying to get a sense of range or just a case of get gudd

[static glacier]

speaking of single shiv, im v surprised there wasn't a noticable difference in the rule being shiv in general vs shiv during kb

[timber gate]

what is bis gear? and what is bis embelishments

shall i craft wep or waist + wrist with embelish first

[tawny pawn]

Guys, do we have any simulations to compare 2x dawnthread vs nerubian combo? I know nerubian combo is stronger now cause you can craft a 636 dagger, but i wonder if with bis its still stronger.

[tawny pawn]

They should be fairly similar, but i have the same question

i crafted double dawnthread but i wonder what is bis in the end of the day, ill be honest, i think nobody knows.

[timber gate]

i got 1 dagger from raid

heroic the offhand bis

but i need main hand

and is echo repri better than double vanish in m+ ?

[tawny pawn]

yes

double vanish is dog

[timber gate]

i see zero cool a #1 rogue playing double vanish always

https://www.twitch.tv/zerocoolx

[royal lantern]

zero is a #1 yeha

the question is, for what

[timber gate]

he is like always top 10

[pliant remnant]

Play double Vanish and you'll get the same rio as Zerocool

That's the secret sauce

[timber gate]

not really i am just wondering boys

[royal lantern]

i dont wanna sound mean

[timber gate]

whats actually better

[royal lantern]

but zero is the peak example of

"spam m+ for 16hours a day, and you get a high score"

ofc he is good, not gonna question that

[timber gate]

got u brother

so echo is way better

i will get used to that then

[royal lantern]

without a trace is probably the worst talent choice in the entire game

like, not assa/rogue

[timber gate]

what is our bis crafted items. + embelish and their stats so i dont do smth wrong

[royal lantern]

but for all classes

you throw away 4 talent points for literally nothing

[tawny pawn]

just shadowmeld -> stealth

[royal lantern]

i dont think any class can do sucha bad talent choice

[main solar]

I dunno, have you seen shadowheart? 🙃

[timber gate]

do u double rupture always to spread it right ?

and double garrote

[golden loom]

I have 2x heroic blood-kissed kukris, so guess I am set on weapons until I start stepping into m+? The crests for 636 dagger seems far away 😄

[lethal arrow]

depends on if ur dipping ur toes into mythic

[tawny pawn]

i would not recommend following zerocool

[golden loom]

I guess getting a mythic dagger isnt too unrealistic since it drops from 2nd boss

[lime crypt]

is assa damage breakdown bugged in m+ or

[tawny pawn]

he is a really good player tho

[lime crypt]

i feel like im not supposed to be doing that much damage that im doing

[lethal arrow]

well more so for the crests

[golden loom]

Ah 👍 yeah true

[lethal arrow]

probably wanna run 1 regicide 1 kukri cuz the stats on regicide are pretty good for assa

[runic hinge]

Zero plays in a group with specific pulls he’s trying to have iron wire for

[lethal arrow]

and then crafted+regicide i think?

[lime crypt]

i was dead on 2 bosses when they were still around 40% and its still this

[shadow badger]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[heavy sentinel]

Does aoe blind work on brood parasites?

[stoic gulch]

Anyone else having issues with tanks not letting you restealth in M+? Been a lot of chain pulling for me, ive been trying to mitigate it by standing away if they chain pull, but sometimes I stay stuck in combat. Not sure if there's a better way to mitigate it

[timber gate]

so anyone is free to help me with my rotation ? privately for like 5-10mins

[mint urchin]

Yes, it happens every key

[lethal arrow]

just ask ur tank to let u restealth

[wary hare]

I’ve been told that no good tank will wait for restealth lmao

[lethal arrow]

or play outlaw

[stoic gulch]

I have been lol, still been happening 💀

[shadow badger]

not really. not that important though, bank your deathmark reapplication and use vanish if you need to.

[wary hare]

Sometimes it’s fine other times it’s horrible starting and aoe pack low on energy with no stealth

[lethal arrow]

no stealth, no IC, no deathstalkers mark,

[timid marsh]

I alwys stay behind and mostly start every trashmob with restealth and shadowstep asap

[proven jasper]

outlaw used to suffer the most from no restealths, not sure if its still the same

[stoic gulch]

yeah this is what ive been doing mostly

[timber gate]

anyone got a good video of the m+ rotation ?

[torpid temple]

Yes

[timber gate]

to learn i was playing outlaw last expansion and never played rogue before so no assas experience

[west pilot]

What's the sweet spot for haste right now?

[cerulean burrow]

im getting it a lot better now i was able to consistnely pull 2 mil on target dummies

[zenith prairie]

Whyspyr has a solid video on YouTube

[cerulean burrow]

i wasnt keepign up dots whats why i couldnt do anything lmao

[royal lantern]

outlaw? you mean the spec that has by far the highest drawbacks for no stealth?

that outlaw?

[proven jasper]

that’s what im saying man

[manic quartz]

Does AoE blind work on orbs? every time i use it it just takes one out

[proven jasper]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[royal lantern]

you need to blind a normal enemy and it cleaves from them

if you use it on a orb, it doesnt cleave

for some godforsaken reason

[manic quartz]

how stupid

[slim pebble]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[runic hinge]

Orb despawns as soon as you press blind so it doesn’t spread. Normal mob gets blinded and doesn’t despawn.

[stark musk]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[runic hinge]

It’s stupid af

[timid marsh]

whats the most effective way to use blind against orbs? Sometimes i hit 3-4 and sometimes i hit 1 orb how is the spell working?

[spice surge]

Target not the orbs

And it will hit everything around it

If you target the orb it only hits one of them

Nice bug

[slim pebble]

Wait am I not able to do a log review thread anymore

[royal lantern]

tbh, overall

rogue is not good for the affix

cus blind also has a kinda small range

often doesnt hit all orbs

[covert jewel]

just play belf

[royal lantern]

i rather rope neck myself

[covert jewel]

and gigachad md

the orbs

[royal lantern]

then playing a elf

[manic quartz]

aoe cp stun when?

[covert jewel]

[slim pebble]

Can it be the anniversary so I can go Dracthyr please

[uncut dragon]

Hey, do we get a new charge to make tier every week or every other?

[slim pebble]

!logs

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[balmy condor]

Every other

[covert jewel]

every 2nd

[royal lantern]

next week is a new charge

next reset

you know what i mean

wow week starts at reset

[uncut dragon]

so tomorrow I get a charge so I can plead 'it makes my 4-piece' if any tier drops

[lethal arrow]

or u get 2k io/heroic ansurek so you'll be 4 piece either way

[slim pebble]

I have one piece of tier

[waxen oyster]

2k/1600 pvp/ansurek

the 2nd one is the easiest

[hollow pier]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[keen viper]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[topaz nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[slim pebble]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/foss

Hello friends, can someone take a look at this for me? I would appreciate it

[runic hinge]

@spice spire

I’m headed to work or I would

[spice spire]

@stuck knoll can u dap me up king?

[normal mist]

i got you

[cerulean walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/flushed-gif-26618632

[spice spire]

Us

[cerulean walrus]

Us

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[mint valve]

how much lower is ascension + neerubian in m+ than double dawnthread?

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[arctic socket]

Not much

Probably not enough to notice a difference

[fallen pawn]

are there sheets for approximate 2 and 4 set effectiveness ?

[stuck knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

[fickle girder]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rocky sundial]

guys how good is outlaw compared to other rogue specs