assassination

[fallen arch]

Just need to stay ahead of the curve io wise

[orchid cedar]

gl with that

[atomic relic]

i was top 20 dh on silvermoon ah god :((

[bitter saddle]

I don’t mint playing with randoms too but finding them is the hard part. Some randoms are really cool like the monk tank I had yesterday

[orchid cedar]

Rogues aren't getting invites

[fallen arch]

How does that feel bad

[fallen arch]

Thats not what I found

[atomic relic]

i love dh but have too leave it for a S tier

[normal mist]

Ikr but I'm not a pusher either. I play for portals and that's my ceiling

[bitter saddle]

I find groups rather fast solo but I only do like +5-6

[normal mist]

Oh you're pushing title?

[orchid cedar]

rank 1 you mean

is the only reason to reroll

[bitter saddle]

I want that diamond fly robot thing so bad

[royal lantern]

and then you go rogue and not DK?

[normal mist]

That's why I ask

[royal lantern]

[fallen arch]

Sounds kinda sus when we’re 1 spatter/ct nerf away from mediocrity

[royal lantern]

yeha, that aswell

[normal mist]

If he's pushing R1/title, I can somewhat understand

[orchid cedar]

i could understand a DK

[normal mist]

Other than that, no

[orchid cedar]

not a rogue

[royal lantern]

assa is "good dmg on adds, trash on bosses"

[bitter saddle]

We can just pray to blizzard that we don’t get hit with the nerf bat

[fallen arch]

Oh te we’re def viable for title dont get me wrong

[orchid cedar]

or a mague/Evoker

[atomic relic]

wait what assasin rogue got nerfed? xDD

[fallen arch]

We do real
Good prio too, dont forget

[cunning geyser]

what isn't nowadays

[fallen arch]

Read again

[fallen arch]

Bm hunter

Jk, everything is

Bm hunters just brainless

[atomic relic]

oh xD

[cunning geyser]

If someone was dedicated enough to get title on it, even pugging, they probably would. But yeah it's extremely time efficient and much less effective than other specs. (I pugged quite a few titles on multiple off meta spec)

[fallen arch]

I was joking, every class can get title

[atomic relic]

i love rogue too but i was playing outlaw for 2 season first tiem playing assasin this season and its kinda fun

[fallen arch]

Just not every player

[royal lantern]

the masses allready wake up that assa is not really the OMG GOD SPEC INFINITE DAMAGEEEEE, and yeha, we told them for months now lol

[orchid cedar]

every class can becouse no one is putting a gun to your head not to

[royal lantern]

i do

[fallen arch]

Its a bit of a pad spec

But big numbers big good right

I’m fine with this

[orchid cedar]

but it's delusional to ignore the meta

[arctic socket]

What’s the meta

[fallen arch]

Meta hasnt been established

[orchid cedar]

bad for your time and you mental health

i mean in general

not this one in particular

[fallen arch]

I dont agree

[celest marlin]

I see pinned that some bug regarding DeathsMark is fixed, but i think there is more. (or maybe i am wrong)
Mid fight, lost the Deaths mark, cant reapply it with neighter full poits env, nor with vanish

[fallen arch]

I wouldnt play anything I dont like, just because its the meta

I couldnt fotm roll

[normal mist]

Weird. What fight?

[fallen arch]

Ye that shit is wonky af sometimes

I keep losing mark here and there too

For no reason

[celest marlin]

Just saw it clear as a day mid the quest for the story mode raid.

Arround 2nd minute it just wasnt applied

[normal mist]

I can't recall the last time I lost my mark

[fallen arch]

Sometimes the application is buggy too for me

It doesnt consume stacks after some finishers

[normal mist]

But did you 7cp envenom with DN up?

[celest marlin]

no, thats the fucked uo

[fallen arch]

Another thing, in Mists In the maze i’ve been losing stealth like no tomorrow, whats that about

[royal lantern]

adds spawning in

[celest marlin]

same, its fucked

[normal mist]

Wdym

[royal lantern]

just wait until they spawned and then follow

[celest marlin]

Also cant go invis after the m+ boubles are dead

[bitter saddle]

Yeah they block it for a short time

[celest marlin]

applying 7cp envenom didnt reaply it

[echo fox]

that´s coz of combat

the affix counts as combat

[bitter saddle]

Did you have darkest night buff?

[fallen arch]

U mean orbs?

[celest marlin]

yes i know i am in combat, but its too long after they are dead

[fallen arch]

Or the actual trash

[celest marlin]

no

[bitter saddle]

Ofc it doesn’t apply then

[celest marlin]

so how do i reset it?

[echo fox]

ambush

[bitter saddle]

Vanish ambush

[celest marlin]

thats my point :d

[glacial crypt]

Little fix: don't touch the orbs tbh
Stand back from the next section in mists, it's always been fricked even back in SL- once the particle effects end you can enter the room and won't be in combat

[sage tapir]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[celest marlin]

vanish ambush didnt apply it as well

[normal mist]

Stupid question: are you playing Deathstalker?

[glacial crypt]

You likely were pulled out of stealth and didn't get ambush in that case

[bitter saddle]

Did the ambush go through or maybe you got taken out of stealth by aoe

[glacial crypt]

Unless you're not playing DS

[bitter saddle]

Ambush from stealth always applies it

[celest marlin]

that i cant be sure, if the ambish failed

[fallen arch]

My man, he’s playing trickster

[celest marlin]

no, i play outlaw

[glacial crypt]

Having an action tracker can help

[oak eagle]

any class is viable for title. I have a Feral in my guild, who got title in S3 all while pugging.

[fallen arch]

I know

[normal mist]

It is indeed viable

[bitter saddle]

Can you recommend one

[normal mist]

But you gotta no life the game

[fallen arch]

Yes

[glacial crypt]

Details streamer plugin is good

You'll already have it baked into details

[fallen arch]

And even then no guarantees

[royal lantern]

is it our dear Meownar? :3

[bitter saddle]

Ty I’ll check that out

[orchid cedar]

what's the command for the loot sheet?

[oak eagle]

No, Wicedin is his name, Feral of Stormrage from Blues Clues

[normal mist]

Yep! That's why I play for rewards instead of playing for more challenge.

Life is challenging enough

Eheheheheh

[blazing jewel]

Meownar is the most powerful cat

[oak eagle]

TrufiGCD is another good one, lots of PvPers use it

[glacial crypt]

Real

[royal lantern]

meownar>sink demon>other cats

[oak eagle]

nah my cat best cat

[blazing jewel]

Other cats>scanaferal

[orchid cedar]

looking at the top keys, aug evoker was a fucking mistake

[oak eagle]

yeah no shit, they made everything 10000x more survivable. and im never rerolling aug

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

[oak eagle]

fuck that shit

[orchid cedar]

90% of the keys is resto shaman mage evoker

sad

[oak eagle]

hey dont forget spreist with the buffs that are coming tomorrow

or wednesday for the euros in this disc

[royal lantern]

blizz making 1 of the most fun ranged dps with devestation, just to kill it unless they buff the living hell out of it in every single patch by releasing aug

[elfin pier]

is there a poisons macro please im dying out here

[royal lantern]

[orchid cedar]

DF S2 coming again

[fallen arch]

Wdym

[oak eagle]

fuck it, give me a rogue spec that works like aug

ill play that

[fallen arch]

Or delete aug

[oak eagle]

and let me have long arms

[fallen arch]

Better fix

[oak eagle]

i mean

[glacial stump]

I thought sin was big in higher keys, I've been slapping

[royal lantern]

say bye to assa/sub/outlaw then LOL

[elfin pier]

gotta click 4 poisons every dungeon

[orchid cedar]

aug just needs to be deleted

[normal mist]

It isn't that hard to just apply them 😦

[oak eagle]

dont even care, ill actually be invited to keys at that point

[fallen arch]

U must be trolling

[royal lantern]

fucking m+ andys

[elfin pier]

no but thoght there was something floaating around

[oak eagle]

true

[golden loom]

4 clicks per hour now thats crazy APM

[oak eagle]

this is why

[fallen arch]

If that is an actual problem in ur life, I’m jealous

[royal lantern]

play with friends you apes

[oak eagle]

im a raid AND m+ andy

[royal lantern]

or stop caring about m+

[oak eagle]

but i dont trust most of my guild to do m+

[elfin pier]

lol calm down fellas simple question, dont get to twisted lmao

[oak eagle]

because yeah

[royal lantern]

cus you notice that its a low effort shitmode

[oak eagle]

they cant execute simple raid mechs

i dont expect them to execute m+

to the level that i want to play it at

[royal lantern]

dont think that really possible tbh

[normal mist]

I can't help because I never used macros for that

[elfin pier]

clearly

[keen spruce]

Don’t let them gaslight you I hated that shit too

[elfin pier]

ye all good, move on then

[royal lantern]

just put the poison bar in a sidebar and click the things

[keen spruce]

Everyone hates applying poisons

[oak eagle]

yeah i just have a wa that pops up when poisons have 20 mins left, and i click it and it reapplies them

[keen spruce]

Theyre a bunch of fuckin liars

[elfin pier]

im doing tw for leveling its every 2mins atm lol

[royal lantern]

ye shmeeps, we do lol

its stupid

but a macro iirc doesnt exist for that

[keen spruce]

It does not

As far as I know

[golden loom]

I mean you could just make a cast sequence?

[elfin pier]

cast sequence aint even a thing anymore dunno what i was even asking tbh

[golden loom]

or not 😄

[normal mist]

There are people that still use them

[elfin pier]

really?

doesnt matter ill just click its ok lol

be fine later

[normal mist]

Even the other day we had someone put his entire opener in a cast sequence, idk of that worked tho

[oak eagle]

yeah one of my buddies has a rogue alt, and he has a cast sequence for his poisons

i find it weird af

but to each their own

[fallen arch]

Hehe ye funny guy

[brisk plank]

Is ascension+writhing much worse than 2xdawnthread in m+? do we have any numbers?

or it doesnt make much diff

[oak eagle]

i think its just the ramp time from those 2 embellishments that make them worse, while 2x dawnthread is an instant like 8% crit most of the time since youre above 80% alot of the time

[brisk plank]

im pretty much only playing m+ so im wondering if going ascension would be a bit worse than dawnthread

[orchid cedar]

it is a bit worse in M+

[atomic relic]

!emblishment

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[tawdry sedge]

are the double dawnthread still bugged?

[arctic socket]

Bugged how

[normal mist]

Go below 80% HP and heal back up

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[brisk plank]

you have to do that only once I assume after you equip both items?

[tawdry sedge]

how about they fucking fix their shit

it is not a f2p

this bug has been going for months

and on top of thousand other bugs

bleeds dont allow you leave combat in pvp, you respawn at gy and you are still in combat

fucking blizzard

[royal lantern]

mate

its a bug that is active once and then never again

[grave briar]

#showtooltip
/use [nomod] Atrophic Poison;[mod:shift] Instant Poison; [mod:ctrl] Crippling Poison; [mod:alt] Wound Poison
/click StaticPopup1Button1

[royal lantern]

like, sure, they should fix stuff, but acting as if thats a big deal is kinda overreacting

[neon lantern]

Hello guys , when i start pull on a m+ if i use 2 garrote i split all the garrote between the mob or only 3 casual mobs ?

[tawdry sedge]

I have not read something that makes me feel the urge to throw up in a long time

[arctic socket]

If you have the talent, 5 mobs if cast garrote twice on the same target, 6 if you tab to one without garrote

[candid hull]

im too concious of deathmark in m+ I be holding that too much

how do I change myself

[arctic socket]

Send your cds on cooldown

[tawdry sedge]

90$ expansion i paid for filled with bugs, plus monthly sub xd

[arctic socket]

Just full send them

Wait if you’re close to a boss

[tawdry sedge]

yeah dude, fully send it

[candid hull]

It feels bad when I see a mob die with dm at like 5 seconds 😭

[neon lantern]

Ok so if i cast one garrote on the focussed mob i'll cast garrote to all the pack if are more then 3 ?

[tawdry sedge]

NO, even when you are close to a boss

ALWAYS SEND

HOLDING IS DPS LOSS

xd

[arctic socket]

You just learn the and then you will know when to send cds

If you’re a pack away from the boss don’t use cds you don’t wanna ruin your boss dps

[arctic socket]

If you did the same target 5 mobs would get garrote

Similar with rupture

[neon lantern]

ok ty

[royal lantern]

if you think thats a reasonable reaction to "yeha that 1 embelishment works kinda weird if you equip it 2x cus it doesnt override the OG buff, so you gotta drop it once", sure thing man

[tawdry sedge]

saw the " " dint even read

eating shit and saying oh well it doesn't matter it is a small bug i can fix on my own, that's better i suppose

mule

[brisk plank]

so you just need to do it once after you equip both items and its gonna work forever afterwards?

[tawdry sedge]

no you have to repeat it every time you log in xd

[gloomy otter]

how do i sim which gems would be best for my current gear?

do i have to do a gear comparisson and change every single gem for every simß

[tawdry sedge]

yep

[arctic socket]

No you don’t?

You do it once

And you’re good

[tawdry sedge]

you do it once, i do it all the time

unless you never swap gear

[arctic socket]

[tawdry sedge]

then what can i say

[royal lantern]

tf are you doing

embelishments are equiped once and then not taken off lol

[keen spruce]

Based on how cranky he is

[tawdry sedge]

pve players having trouble to comprehend the existence of multiple gear sets for one spec

wow

[keen spruce]

I’d assume pvper

Yep

[tawdry sedge]

HAHHA

[subtle tundra]

pvpers -> #pvp

[tawdry sedge]

should i also send you where you belong?

[subtle tundra]

im already in the gutter

[tawdry sedge]

that's too good for you

enjoy it

[royal lantern]

of fucking course

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/scum-wretched-villany-tattooine-gif-10985312

[tawdry sedge]

it is okay boys, i just wanted to ruin my day a bit by exchanging a few words with some destined s1 challengers

i will go to our channel now, peace

but before that fuck blizzard and their bugs

[normal mist]

Damn

[keen spruce]

[proud pelican]

Aw man I’ll really miss him

[tawdry sedge]

i am still here nw

[normal mist]

Fuck

[oak eagle]

can we send him to the timeout corner?

[cobalt needle]

Best crafts for raid? Double dawn, or should i craft weapon?

[fallen arch]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cobalt needle]

THX

Down bad if crafted boots with dawnthread and not wrist/belt?

[unkempt warren]

ansurak trinket seems to be doing mental dmg for me dunno if im getting lucky or somehting bit it critting for like 11m on a boss is mad

[royal lantern]

oh no

its the sark trinket again

[normal mist]

Yep, welcome to the club

[unkempt warren]

is it bugged or is it supposed to do that much dmg?

[normal mist]

I believe the DMG is supposed

It deals more DMG the less health the target has

Yes

[south prawn]

Do you guys have any tips for ST in m+? outside of my cd window i feel like im energy starved like crazy and downtime is insane

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[brave stump]

any recommendations

to get into a grim batol

[unkempt warren]

ill take it

[brave stump]

holy

[south prawn]

so like i can pool energy if my bleeds/evenom buff is up?

[normal mist]

Good luck my friend

[brave stump]

sitting 2h in queue for a +7 is pain

[normal mist]

Yeah pretty much. Don't spam

[south prawn]

I see

thx mate appreciate it

[vague badger]

is there a m+ build with a bit more ST?

aoe knda piping but iid like some more boss dam

[oak eagle]

the hybrid build maybe?

[vague badger]

could just be that im bad.

[oak eagle]

i havent played it so idk

[unkempt warren]

you think our ST is bad??

in m+

[oak eagle]

ive been playing the bleed build

and yeah

[unkempt warren]

i always fall behind on AoE more than ST in M+

[oak eagle]

really?

[unkempt warren]

and blast bosses

[oak eagle]

how is that possible?

you should be blasting massively in aoe

[unkempt warren]

i cant keep up with rets

[vague badger]

probably the setup time playing w burst classes

[oak eagle]

i play with burst classes and top the meters lmao

[unkempt warren]

i swear every key i join has two ret palas

[oak eagle]

then that group is just dumb

[unkempt warren]

maybe im doing my aoe rotation wrong

probs

im bad

[fallen arch]

U can slap em around on the meters though

[glacial stump]

What size keys?

[oak eagle]

whats your aoe rotation look like

[fallen arch]

No ret ever beats me

[oak eagle]

also key level does matter

[unkempt warren]

im not doing anything aboove 6s atm

6/7 most of the time

[oak eagle]

yeah you should be slamming the meters

theres gotta be something youre doing wrong

can you send a screenshot of your details

[zinc frost]

But also don’t feel bad losing to a pally on a lower key

[oak eagle]

^ that too

ret pally is really good in low keys since everything just dies

[unkempt warren]

idm i nuke them on boss dmg

and thats the harder part of these keys

lol

[sinful elk]

Finally all clicked with ambush/deathstalker mark/darkest night. Been a humongous noob the last fortnight

[oak eagle]

same lmao

except

im still a big noob

most of the time i forget to open with an ambush

and just go striaght into it with double garrote

[sinful elk]

My 4 braincells that piloted a classic wow rogue have had their work cut out for em

[oak eagle]

oh god

dont even get me started on classic rogue

idk how it is in reg classic

[fallen arch]

Get yourself a huge weakaura

That shows either to open with ambush or garrote

[oak eagle]

thing is, its only in keys that i forget, in raid im alawys opening with the ambush

[unkempt warren]

i dunno if on big pulls i should be tab targetiung after opening with ambush to get garrot up on as many targets as poss

[oak eagle]

youre running carnage, right?

[fallen arch]

Keys ask for more improv

In raid every pull is roughly the same

[strange python]

At least 5

[oak eagle]

^

and at least 5 ruptures

[sinful elk]

Genuinely took me a week to rewire my brain to not need stealth to garrote

[unkempt warren]

ye just runninmg the deafult build on wowhead for deathstalker

[austere zodiac]

Do you guys have a specific way to check which enemies don't have Garrote on them in large packs? Or is just a case of tab-targetting until you find one that doesn't have bleeds on

[strange python]

Then CT and spatter on your priority target

[deep solstice]

How do you track Spatter? I have DP and Rup up, but I dont see a buff on me or a debuff on the target

[oak eagle]

a proper plater profile works wonders, i suggest Whispyrs

[late aspen]

nameplates

[unkempt warren]

my platter profile shows it but often i just spam tab lol

[fallen arch]

Its a loss to try to garrett em all

U usually are better off using those globals on ct/envenom

[austere zodiac]

Yeah I thought a better nameplates would be a good idea, was just curious if there was something else people do

[late aspen]

tabr target garroting over mouse overing is psychotic

[unkempt warren]

yeah i think i need to make sure i go back to the target i open on to spam enevennom on

[strange python]

The one that has your DM on

[unkempt warren]

ye

[oak eagle]

yeah before getting into a pack if you have KB or DM up, you gotta find the target with the most health, so you can burst it down with all your big dam

and then cleave off that target

[brisk plank]

what should we play at +9 / +10, bleed or hybrid?

[late aspen]

my biggest mistake has been not putting up caustic spatter

[strange python]

Tbf it can be tricky to get the muscle memory down and remember to press everything so just practice

[oak eagle]

so get mark up, get bleeds and poisons up, and then what I do is press a mut to get spatter up, into a FoK into CT and then press all my buttons

[strange python]

It's never as simple as just worrying about your rotation, you've got to dodge & interrupt shit and pay attention too

[oak eagle]

and then i blast the meters

[deep solstice]

How do you track Spatter? I have DP and Rup up, but I dont see a buff on me or a debuff on the target

[oak eagle]

plater profile

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak eagle]

i suggest Whispyr's

[zinc frost]

Hybrid

[deep solstice]

how is plater going to magically make a debuff actually apply?

[oak eagle]

because youll see the debuff on your target

[late aspen]

my profile turns the nameplate green for the caustic target

[unkempt warren]

thanks, makes sense.

[strange python]

It's going to show you you've applied it

Or not

[deep solstice]

It should already be showing with the UI I have though, but it isnt

[oak eagle]

are you also making sure that the target youre trying to spatter, has rupture and deadly poison on it?

[deep solstice]

yes

[oak eagle]

well what whispyrs profile will do

[wet briar]

I see no reason to run bleed build other than to pad tbh

[fallen arch]

U run hybrid

[oak eagle]

is turn the nameplate green that has spatter up

[fallen arch]

I feel hybrid is the way to go for almost all key levels

[deep solstice]

Maybe I just need to filter stuff I dont need to see on my UI or something...but swapping to plater is prob better in the long run

[fallen arch]

Yes def

[oak eagle]

yeah you should have a nameplate addon, it does wonders

ya know, here i thought i was running the bleed build

turns out ive been running the hybrid this entire time

im goated

[warped lily]

Its this true, outlaw its perfoming better, or is something related to tier set?

[deep solstice]

I have ELVUI which does most of what plater does, but it doesnt filter well automatically.

[oak eagle]

gross

cant stand elvui

i hated how my game would break every time there was a tiny patch

[deep solstice]

that hasnt been an issue in years

[unkempt warren]

is hybrid the deafult M+ build?

[oak eagle]

looks like it

if im just goin off the wowhead talent calc since i copied the import string from the guide

[fallen arch]

For me it is

Feels great to play tbh

[normal mist]

It's really good

[static glacier]

Outlaw has a smaller playerbase of generally more dedicated players, average casual Timmy doesn’t play outlaw for his +3s so he won’t drag down the average outlaw rating

[minor finch]

@warped lily it pulled it from a log. But if you look at raider io. Higher keys are being ran with sin rogues

[keen remnant]

true, my raid group went from 0 to 3 assassination this tier

[royal lantern]

what

the fuck

is that raidcomp

[sturdy crater]

damnm now I gotta switch back to outlaw

since it's higher than sin.

[normal mist]

Damn

[deep solstice]

The key was blacklisting shit that doesnt matter I guess. Sin just has too many debuffs, overflowed splatter.

[royal lantern]

stacking melee dps? stacking a melee dps that is very mid?

bruh

[keen remnant]

we only raid HC, unbounded HC

[royal lantern]

dont need to track weapon poisons/bonespike/doomblade

[unkempt warren]

our raidcomp has 3 rogues playing one of each spec lol

[stone yacht]

I have a quick question regarding Vanish in the raid build. Now that we don't take improved garrote or Master Assassin, does Vanish really have a place in raid ST rotation? Do we just use it to refresh Deathstalker's?

[unkempt warren]

lets gooooo best comp

[royal lantern]

the 3 types of wow character names

only missing the guy that names all character the same+class attached

[keen remnant]

I would love to main sub but I'll not switch now

we had 5 dks in the previous tier

[normal kindle]

Is Sub harder to play that assa?

[fallen arch]

I raise you

Only need 1 god melee

[fallen arch]

Not really

It’s just different

[unkempt warren]

oakrog oakdh oaksham oakmage

[nova aspen]

that icon suks

[rotund oak]

like it says right above the metric used to classify the specs..

if u wanna do high sin m+ keys can always play sin with sub gear

it gets tanky af

[warped lily]

what is sin :/

[deep solstice]

I love how I now need to have 2 versions of the Afenar pack, cuz Guy's didnt even bother to track Splatter lol

[late aspen]

the only acceptable abbeviation is ass

[warped lily]

xD

[rich kayak]

Is anyone else having issues with Deathmark not applying in certain places? Like the adds in Mists during the puzzle or in some Delves. It's infuriating.

[deep solstice]

When you vanish in combat, first global should always be ambush to re-apply Deathstalker's Mark ya?

[oak eagle]

hey dont gotta call me out like that, at least mine include a spell name instead of just class (some of them anyways)

[rich kayak]

only if you don't already have it

should be garrote then

[warped lily]

Guys, I do my normal opener, everythings fine, but as soon Kingsbane is over, I feel like Im just spamming mutilate and envenom, and keep low energy, what im doing wrong

[golden loom]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[warped lily]

Oh ok, so in this window where I dont have much thing to do, i should keep spamming mutilate and envenom, or keep energy +50, even tho I will not hit any buttons

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/tHxlEohbvKf.gif

[slate crown]

You don't really "spam" them, but yes

[golden loom]

yeah you maintain bleeds and envenom uptime

[glacial stump]

How far behind is fatebound ?

[slate crown]

Your goal during those windows is to keep your bleeds up, and keep up your envenom buff as much as you can, without clipping its duration (beyond pandemic)

[deep solstice]

idk if my brain can readjust to Sin being glacially slow after playing mostly outlaw for 2 expacs

[slate crown]

Not pressing a button is very common and is very often the right answer. You can chill

We are very much not gcd capped outside of cds

[warped lily]

I spam mutilate until I have 7 points and hit envenom, before 1-2 seconds buff its over

[normal mist]

We finish 5+

We don't force 7

[oak eagle]

dont spam them, just chain them, so if you just reapplied an envenom buff, press mute until you have 5+ (or 7 if you have darkest night) and then wait a few seconds and then press envenom

[normal mist]

Unless DN is up

[oak eagle]

you only force 7 if you have darkest night

[slate crown]

As royal said, 5+ CP, but otherwise yes.

[warped lily]

when 2 seconds are left right?

[rotund oak]

OR OR We land on a charged cp

[warped lily]

what is DN abbreviation for?

[glacial stump]

Its hard to think this way but slow down, theres time youre just pressing absolutely nothing and waiting. Coming from sub its hard to get your head round

[oak eagle]

Darkest Night

the capstone that reapplies Deathstalkers Mark

[keen remnant]

remember charged combo count as 7 for darkest night

[normal mist]

Darkest Night, deathstalker capstone

[rich kayak]

Is anyone else having issues with Deathmark not applying in certain places? Like the adds in Mists during the puzzle or in some Delves. It's infuriating.

[slate crown]

Thereabouts, yes. It doesn't matter all that much if you wait for longer or let it drop. Just don't cast it earlier, you can cast it later than that.

[normal mist]

ER feels so good to play with now

[oak eagle]

true

[vivid dune]

Is dungeon slice an optimal way to sim ur self for m+ and droptimizer for assassination ?

[rotund oak]

yup 😍

[normal mist]

Yes

[vivid dune]

Cheers bud.

[normal mist]

[warped lily]

oh ok, when you say DN is up, is the third charge right?

[rotund oak]

4rth

[normal mist]

When you consume the 3rd charge

[golden loom]

after u consume the third

[rotund oak]

u consume 3

[oak eagle]

i fucked up not changing my raid talents to include Clairty for both my raid nights

[warped lily]

oh ok

[normal mist]

You get a buff

[oak eagle]

and was pised

pissed*

[warped lily]

How you consume those stacks, by 5CP envenoms or 7?

the first 3

[normal mist]

7

Oh

Okay so

The first 3 are 5+

[warped lily]

Got it

[normal mist]

DN is 7 or blue combo point from echoing reprimand

Blue combo points work towards both marks and DN

[golden loom]

doesnt have to be envenoms for the first 3 either

[normal mist]

Yeah first 3 marks are "envenom, CT, rupture" at 5+ cp

[subtle tundra]

im actually upset er is getting removed

for something dogshit

[hard river]

real

[slate crown]

real

[normal mist]

I actually enjoy ER now, Im kinda sad as well but we'll have to see what's coming

[slate crown]

[subtle tundra]

blizz listens to complains only nowadays, to the loud minority

[keen remnant]

er is getting removed?

wtf

[slate crown]

It's getting redesigned

[rotund oak]

yup its going passive mode

[slate crown]

The button itself is going away

[keen remnant]

thank god, one less button

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

i feel good pressing it

[warped lily]

Thanks for the lesson guys, I got one last question.

I go Shiv -> KingsBane -> Tea -> Mutilate + Envenom -> I reapply garrote with vanish (is this part ok)?

[slate crown]

[subtle tundra]

i like the sound

i know a lot of finishers coming up

[keen remnant]

I feel good doing big envenoms

[rotund oak]

ive fought vigorously in this discord since it was introduced,big ER fan

now its getting lost

[warped lily]

when?

[slate crown]

This is like a month from now

[royal lantern]

its kinda funny cus ER makes deathstalker feel 20x better, and Deathstalker makes ER not feel pointless

and we get a replacement which just seems to be "after shiv you do a stronger envenom"

[slate crown]

with the anniversary patch

whenever that is, I forget exactly

[rotund oak]

mid/late november

[subtle tundra]

i dont like adding more shit to shiv

[keen remnant]

I'm so happy blizz is working

[royal lantern]

could be after RtB

[subtle tundra]

shiv is the ST button to buff my dmg for a bit

not to add a minigame

er was the minigame

GRARRRRR

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-panda-panda-mad-commercial-gif-5416416

[normal mist]

You should enter a kingsbane window while you have envenom buff up, and always shiv before pressing KB

[royal lantern]

like, idk

Deathstalker without ER will feel a good bunch worse

[normal mist]

And you only envenom if 5+ cp

[delicate imp]

any chance we get buffed? sin looking kinda crap for mythic prog

[oak eagle]

doubtful

because any st buff

[warped lily]

got it, but the part im missing is that if its ok to reapply garrote with vanish in the kingsbane window

[rotund oak]

my magic ball says tier set buff

[oak eagle]

is also a buff to our aoe

[rotund oak]

but its just me

[oak eagle]

but yeah

thats the only thing that could get buffed

[royal lantern]

man, imagine if they would reduces spatters % as a tradeoff instead

[pliant remnant]

ok and

[oak eagle]

we would then get a nerf to aoe

[pliant remnant]

Remember the 5% aura buff to Destruction before Sepulcher

Blizzard doesn't care

buff Assa

[oak eagle]

have they fucked with Spatter since it was introduced?

oh im all for an assa buff

[normal mist]

Depends on the builds. If you're playing improved garrote, you'll want to 5+CP envenom - vanish - garr - dm - shiv - kingsbane and use tea enside the shiv windows if it gives you 100 energy

[subtle tundra]

god i want a spatter nerf

[pliant remnant]

As long as Assa isn't too bursty and doesn't dominate raid, it's all gucci for Blizzard

[fallen arch]

I know mate, I dont like it either

[oak eagle]

i just dont want it to hurt us too bad in the long run by then getting nerfed even harder

[stiff quiver]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worthy moon]

So I"m losing my mind and I want to know if this is true for any of y'all. Why is my sim not suggesting I use all gem types even with the meta? Is there a setting in raidbots I'm missing or is the meta not modeled correctly?

[warped lily]

They buffed this Trinket, or was always there?

[normal mist]

A bunch of trinkets got nerfed or buffed

[subtle tundra]

its also a 2 pointer?

wtf

[gray olive]

wow, my sims said the spyglass is worst than the knife.. both on same ilvl

I didnt expect that hahaha

[normal mist]

I want a skardyns without having to do m+

Any suggestions?

[fallen arch]

Do m+

[normal mist]

get gud isn't a suggestion

[fallen arch]

PAY SOMEONE TO DO M+ FOR YOU

[normal mist]

Oh now we talking

[twin plume]

Money first

[earnest bridge]

Is blind bugged with ascendancy orbs

[runic matrix]

i was convinced Sin players hated ER

[earnest bridge]

I swear this shit works like 25% of the time

[normal mist]

You gotta blind a monster next to the orbs

[earnest bridge]

fuck

[normal mist]

They did until how smooth it gets playing DS ER

[runic matrix]

so its getting removed for no reason now

[royal lantern]

nope

like, spatter adjustment is a no-brainer overall, want to buff ST but not buff aoe? reduce spatter % and buff ST abilitys

want to buff aoe but dont touch ST? buff spatter %

but blizz never did that, they always just do more heavy handed overall flat % changes

[runic matrix]

[oak eagle]

we did, until it started interacting with Deathstalkers Mark

[warped lily]

Are regicide better than Crafted weapon?

[normal mist]

Ilvl

You care about ilvl

[warped lily]

Crafted weapon >>

hahahaa

[oak eagle]

ilvl is king

when it comes to daggers

[warped lily]

Thta shoul be my first updgrade right?

[oak eagle]

(at least main hand not too sure about off hand dagger if ilvl matters)

[royal lantern]

ER was a shit ability 90% of its runtime, but Desthstalker actually makes it feel usefull and good because it interacts well with it

[warped lily]

ER feels good with DS mark

its fun

[runic matrix]

Is this because you guys want to consume marks asap

[normal mist]

MH ilvl is king. Offhand is whatever

[runic matrix]

or how does that work for sin

[iron ivy]

I have the same where Sikran's Endless Arsenal is better in sims compared to Sacbrood

[normal mist]

Yes

[royal lantern]

consume and re-apply ye

all works with it

[runic matrix]

yeah right so more finishers fast = good

[normal mist]

Imagine you get DN buff

Instead of forcing 7cp

You land on a 3cp blue

[runic matrix]

yeah i mean im used to law so that feels good in general to me, but i think the negative feeling also kinda stems from playing 7 cp no?

[normal mist]

Well yeah

[iron ivy]

Wait, so does DN buff get consumed by ER marks?

[normal mist]

But if it seems better for literally every build, we take it

[normal mist]

Yes

[iron ivy]

😮

[oak eagle]

yes

[runic matrix]

yeah ofc

[iron ivy]

I have been an idiot all this time

[oak eagle]

those bugs got changed recently

[normal mist]

Everything on DS interacts with ER

[earnest bridge]

its what makes ER quite nice lol

[oak eagle]

to where it wasnt working

[runic matrix]

either way thanks for the info just wanted to know why sin suddenly likes it

[iron ivy]

Aha, I still thought it was bugged

[normal mist]

It was fixed like a week(?) ago

[runic matrix]

forums dont seem to talk at all about the removal of ER

[normal mist]

It's in the pins

[oak eagle]

it was fixed on 9/13

according to Whispyrs pinned post

[normal mist]

Exactly

[rotund oak]

plot twist,im an outlaw main 😉

[iron ivy]

Very nice, thanks!

[rotund oak]

well not now

[gray olive]

i just follow what whispyr told on WowHead, i did my embelissh in Waist/Wrist cos i got this awsome daggers

[normal mist]

Basically that. I got boots + belt because I got champion wrists with socket

[crisp stream]

I went for double dagger cause the loot system thinks I play without weapons

[oak eagle]

L bozo + ratio + get lucky being the only rogue in raid when daggers drop

and get lucky in keys, because thats what my OH is

[runic matrix]

was about to say i thought you said outlaw is cringe now

[rotund oak]

yeah it is very cringe actually

[runic matrix]

what do you hate about it other than loss of acro

[gray olive]

hahaha i dont know who to trust... wowhead say skardyn with arakara/madqueen/spyglass will be the best combo for assa

But the sims say Skardyn + Knife is better than all

[runic matrix]

or well find cringe

[gray olive]

holy jesus

[oak eagle]

you do know

that sim baits exist right

[normal mist]

Wowhead probably also says for you to sim your gear

[oak eagle]

ive never tried knife

[normal mist]

Knife is good

[rotund oak]

loss of acro for the most part,dont like the capstones as well

[oak eagle]

since ive never gotten it

but ive just went with vet track skardyns and broodsac

hoping to get either of those in my vault

[gray olive]

yea, says to EVER sim it

[dapper cradle]

Loss of acro in these new dungeons is a tragedy

So much downtime

[oak eagle]

need to get 5 more 10s done before reset

i hate not having long arms

its terrible

GIVE IT BACK

[gray olive]

so, maybe i follow the sim and thats it?

[rotund oak]

its generally deathparsing situations even in raid

i cba

[crisp stream]

I miss the old melee range

[normal mist]

Also, spyglass is probably bad in AoE compared to other trinkets because how it works

[rotund oak]

ild rather play sin or sub and have fun

sin is beautiful

sub is always the dirty secret for pvp

u smoke ppl before they can trinket

[nova aspen]

i was able to get the kobold candle trinket on hero track

i took candle

[normal mist]

You no take candle🕯️

Heheheheh

[nova aspen]

it sims pretty well

[kind forge]

you are

[nova aspen]

plus i give frens crit too

share candle

[weary verge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[normal mist]

I also have that one xd

[nova aspen]

i like it

i zoomed in on the animation too it looks funny

big candle on ur head

[twin hull]

Cause it sims with max ilvl trinkets ..so that means myth track, 639ish ilvl…the knife I believe can’t go to 639 cause it drops from delves..delves max can go to 626…and only hero track…

Try simming all trinkets suggested at 639 and keep knife at 626 n see…

[gray olive]

okay, i will

[twin hull]

💯 !! And the amount of swirlies you need to dodge in these dungeons are mind boggling!! Feels like every mob or boss has some dodge the swirlies mech…

[gray olive]

on the BloodMallet told the same, for AOE, skardyn and sikran sounds be the best

[sturdy mesa]

Aint no way that Mandate on 619 sims only 900 ahead of a normal 606 transmitter right? Is the sims scuffed for mandate or am i pepega

[subtle tundra]

its very important to understand how active trinkets work

and they impact your dps

[delicate imp]

you think they'd go this route. With the way we have to ramp our aoe, our only spot in raid would be if we brought good ST

[subtle tundra]

thats what they do to SP

[nova aspen]

do u guys think it would be easier to +2 an 8 key or to +1 a 9 key?

to get a 10 completion for the vault

[delicate imp]

probably +1 a 9

[arctic socket]

What dungeon

[royal lantern]

8 and 9 feel the same tbh

except maybe city of threads

[arctic socket]

City of thread is fucked

[nova aspen]

we have a 9 dawn and an 8 necrotic

[arctic socket]

(Last boss is scuffed)

[royal lantern]

tbf the nerf REALLY helped

[delicate imp]

both are pretty easy

[nova kelp]

how bad is CoT after the nerf

the 7 I have felt like hell before the weekend

[arctic socket]

A lot better

Oops

[royal lantern]

dawn is not really hard

use deffensives on dmg and thats it

[arctic socket]

I think if you have a solid group +2 to a nw shouldn’t to hard

[nova kelp]

it was a nightmare before

[arctic socket]

But dawn is one of the simple “easiest” dungeon

In this cycle

[nova kelp]

boss would outright one shot me once I was out of shit

[arctic socket]

So +1 might be the move

[nova aspen]

we're able to bait the rifts on first boss right?

is it the debuff she throws out

[nova kelp]

2 key a 10, and get one shot in a 7 CoT

[arctic socket]

The problem I had with city of threads was our tank being one shot with the purple circle

[nova aspen]

hmmm

we also have a 9 grim batol

[nova kelp]

grim's not so bad

[nova aspen]

also noticed we can cloak the tentacles away on last boss

sometimes that circle gets crowded lol

[delicate imp]

if you have a solid healer grim batol is easy

i'd say necrotic and dawn are easier though

[arctic socket]

Grim batol is just a healer check (as long as your dps isn’t dumb)

[nova kelp]

preplanning where you're standing in the circle on last boss gb isn't a bad idea yeah

[nova aspen]

yea necrotic feels easier after that 3rd boss nerf

[nova kelp]

I havent' tried stitch after the nerf either actually

[arctic socket]

As long as your 3 spearing 3rd boss key is basically free (after you handle 2nd boss adds)

But if you have a blood dk

Adds are a joke

[royal lantern]

tbf, people just use 3spears for him

[delicate imp]

save the orbs for 2nd boss and spears for 3rd

its free

[royal lantern]

like, not really sustaining the fight

[nova kelp]

still, relying on 3 spears means it's a one shot or nothing

so I wonder what it's actually like

[royal lantern]

3spears+hero+cds and get him down to 10%

[arctic socket]

^

[nova kelp]

or is it just "oh we wiped and used up spears, guess it's ggs then"

[arctic socket]

Pretty much

[nova kelp]

stupid asf

[arctic socket]

But that’s how keys are anyway

[royal lantern]

well, you CAN do him without

but it wont be timed then

key is kinda dead and just for loot then ye

[nova kelp]

that's dogshit balancing then

[royal lantern]

it is

[nova kelp]

get mad

[arctic socket]

But if it’s just a 10 for completion with vault

[nova kelp]

complain

[arctic socket]

I mean

[nova aspen]

yeah i just hope i get a doable 10 key

[zenith prairie]

How does mists 10% stats mushroom work? Are there enough for the whole group or is it just a rat race

[royal lantern]

there are 5 or 6 of them

[tawdry gulch]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[arctic socket]

Everyone can get one

10% flat primary is also FAT

Mists is 100% also the best key to complete at 10+

[spice spire]

[nova kelp]

man, I can't wait for the last half of the entire season when every single week is "omg send the mists!" x4 - 8 every friggin week coz it's the only key everyone ever wants to do

[dull cloak]

it's still doable without spear and hero. you just have to cleave off 2nd add on boss and pray

[royal lantern]

ye, without spears its

[dull cloak]

very spicy

[royal lantern]

kill an add after 2nd hook it did ASAP

cant live a moment longer

[nova aspen]

i think it was impossible without spears pre-nerf

[royal lantern]

and repeat until dead or healer goes oom

[arctic socket]

Day one NW was horrible

[lavish sparrow]

i read the wowhead guide and it is saying the dawnthread is best for dps but if youre mythic raiding and you dont feel like youre going to have that much uptime should i be going ascension nerubian patch?

[royal lantern]

you have uptime

[subtle tundra]

i want to get log checked...

but private logs...

[royal lantern]

you are not bellow max hp often in wow

[nova kelp]

day everyone NW was horrible

[arctic socket]

Nah it’s fine now

Every key is better now

[nova kelp]

slands dungeons should have stayed in the afterlife

[arctic socket]

Besides city

[royal lantern]

wow in general is "you are full hp->dmg event happens and you drop->healer needs to heal fast or people die"

[arctic socket]

That last boss stinks

[subtle tundra]

dawnthread had 83% uptime in a 9 arakara

[spice spire]

[balmy vapor]

In which situations should we press mutilate at 5 CP in single target raids?

Ive noticed some doing that but cant find info why

[spice spire]

When you have darkest night up

Because you want to restart your deathstalker mark ASAP

[balmy vapor]

mb I meant except for deathstalker

[frigid pilot]

!upgrade

[spice spire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[rotund oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFvKi65rGUg Lord @balmy condor sir,u are now a forefather.Boys spreading the word ,This is how u make ppl know rogue

[glacial stump]

Got a dumb question. Just trying to understand KB more. Does it snapshot all the Dots already applied when KB is pressed?

Not all the stuff you apply during KB

[vestal wren]

nice thumbnail

[normal mist]

Besides the pirate skull there

Which makes no sense

[rotund oak]

Whispyr making rogue a service

[rotund oak]

now its ur turn 🙂

[limber lion]

Lol.

[rotund oak]

KB ''accumulates'' lethal poison applications and caps at about 50 stacks iirc,nothing to do with bleeds

[glacial stump]

I dont really understand how it works or how to maximize it

[rotund oak]

well,u want to press KB while u have envenom buff

and shiv debuff on ur target

this way it ramps faster

and does more dmg since its all about nature dmg

[glacial stump]

so doea each posion 'tick' ramp it up?

is that what gains the stacks

[rotund oak]

each application of lethal poison

adds 20% dmg to it up to 1000%

iirc

hence 50 stacks

[broken stump]

I saw this question earlier and the response was "No". Any idea why my sim is using it? This is with M+ build ST https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fgnJ42ESc4h2TvLZoApvzM

[glacial stump]

sorry Ik its a lot of questions but what is applying the 50 stacks? so you do your build up, stabbing shit with your poisons etc, and thats building the stacks, so when you press KB, the damage is ramped up with the already applied stacks?

+shiv

Im doing my rotation and doing alright but i just dont understand how to maximize my KB

[rotund oak]

its fine dw fam,its the core mechanic KB has to inflate the dmg it does.This is how the skill works

every single time u apply a lethal poison on ur target that is affected by KB

it does 20% more dmg

the faster u apply poisons the better for KB

thats all pretty much

[soft shale]

riot because they added a cap

[fallow canopy]

hence keeping envenom buff during it

[heavy trail]

I have a WA set any other WA great for assassin and or addons that you folks recommend ?

[soft shale]

it was funny watching it climb

[broken stump]

my understanding of how it works:
KB does instant damage plus dot
Each time lethal poison is applied to the target, the dot element gets +20% damage. You want to try and get it to ramp up on stacks quicker so the dot does more ticks at the higher damage before it runs out so having envenom up for +30% application chance, then doing things like shiv at the end to get the +30% increased damage whilst its at the highest stacks

[vestal wren]

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[fallow canopy]

subscribed, very informative

[oak fable]

/guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[glacial stump]

But reading 'apply a lethal poison' sounds like I'm having to hit something again with a lethal poison, like pressing a spell. But is an application of lethal poison literally poison applied from autos?

with envenom up + Shiv increased the chance of applying those poisons so more poison stabs

[spice spire]

It’s a mental load that generally if you have to ask

Is not worth

Are you in CDs? Are you able to chain envenoms? Is every other bleed up? If the answer to no is all of them, then you can press it

[rotund oak]

lethal poisons apply from auto atks as well

[fallow canopy]

autos and other abilities, but yes

[rotund oak]

doesnt have to be special atk

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=385627/kingsbane

[spice spire]

Because already in ur st in m+

Do you fok for ctw

[potent raven]

how do i use ct on st

[rotund oak]

u get a buff called clear the witnesses

[potent raven]

yes

[rotund oak]

u press fok over mut if u arent specced into vicious venoms

and consume the buff

coz its stronger than a regular mut

[glacial stump]

Right okay, kinda get it now, thanks

[potent raven]

and what about ct

[rotund oak]

u never use ct

[spice spire]

#assassination message

[rotund oak]

for st

[spice spire]

You do in certain builds

It’s a very very very very small gain

[potent raven]

i saw it in sims

so was jw

why so

[broken stump]

When you say 'Are you able to chain envenoms?' - what do you mean? Because energy starved?

[rotund oak]

yo my man,which build CT's ST?

hybrid doesnt for sure

[spice spire]

#assassination message

[potent raven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kEdx7PVFUdeBfCD8KU44Zo

check this

[fallow canopy]

the question becomes should you overload your cogny sensies for 0.x% gain

[rotund oak]

💀

what is this,im confused now

[spice spire]

Okay 19s is kinda wild I’m ngl

[broken stump]

Basically it seems like you can but its barely worth thinking about just send envenom

[rotund oak]

yeah idk,prolly thats why i could have sworn whispyr said its not worth,or very barely type of thing

[potent raven]

its not but its interesting how it works

its probably not worth it

[rotund oak]

y ik,realistically prolly doesnt

but cool information nonetheless

[chilly mist]

back into delves for knife i guess, rip

[spice spire]

Found gains since then

[spice spire]

Knife is a double edged sword, be careful

[barren yarrow]

Anything I can do when my tank doesn’t give me enough time to go back into stealth to spread bleeds to the next pack? I mean this is just annoying as hell.

[ocean ferry]

How do you guys handle first pull in city? Feels aids to spread dots cause it takes so long till mobs are gathered

[barren yarrow]

Spread until you can CT that’s what I do

[dawn heath]

i wonder when they're gonna fix rogue lag i've played a bunch of classes never experience lag like playing this class

the spell queue on your abilities is just fucked

[barren yarrow]

make sure to envenom the pack. Caustic gives you plenty of damage spread.

[dawn heath]

it keeps hitting FOK when i've queued a different ability

cannot believe this isnt talked about more

the class is almost unplayable

you hit FOK > envenom, but because u button bash for some reason it goes FOK > FOK envenom

when normally on another class if u hit another button it would spell queue the new button

[glacial stump]

How often can you splatter ?

[stone yacht]

typically, if you wait up behind, far away from the group, it'll not put you into combat even when the tank pulls the next pack. as long as all the adds from pack 1 die, and you hang back, it'll let you restealth

you'll just lose a few seconds of the pull

but liberal shadowsteps can fix that

[drowsy creek]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice spire]

We have a locked GCD. Unsure if that’s what you mean but I’ve not had any other lag

[dawn heath]

thats crazy

[oak nacelle]

Caustic Spatter can be active on multiple mobs same time?

[dawn heath]

i dont believe that

[drowsy creek]

Why deathstalker ass sim is using Cold blood? Is this the new strat?

[iron valve]

I have no idea what you're talking about, spell queue is no different for rogues than any other classes, why would it be? maybe you have character-specific spell queue settings or you're not used to a 1s base GCD

[dawn heath]

i play all classes

my internet is perfect

rogue is the only class that lags

i can put some footage maybe

it keeps queueing FOK

even though i press another button

when i button bash

[sharp viper]

I call this artwork - the joy of trying to get a trinket and ring from grim batol

[swift dagger]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[royal lantern]

????

its a knife not a sword you dummy

[royal lantern]

open a +7 GB and see for yourself why it sthat way

you get like 40applications in 10seconds

[sharp viper]

i know why it is that way

[royal lantern]

its insane

[drowsy creek]

anyone knows?

[royal lantern]

all agility guys want the trinket, all strenght guys want the strenght trinket

[arctic socket]

Just get good

[sharp viper]

i don't want food right now, thanks

[arctic socket]

Bet you want that ring n trinket though

[sharp viper]

I can't bribe people over the internet with food, that's now how that works you silly goose

[hollow void]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[robust slate]

when is diminishing returns on mastery stat

[royal lantern]

there is no DR

[robust slate]

oh cool

[royal lantern]

that we care about

[keen elk]

I’m on 31 clears since Tuesday and haven’t seen the trinket once lol

[royal lantern]

25 and same

[limber lion]

It's basically barely worth it only if you play Deathstalker with Momentum of Despair, more so together with Sudden Demise

[keen elk]

We all gonna have em in vault tomorrow

[limber lion]

But it's pretty far down the priority line, so it still prios the mark, Envenom uptime and Ruptures

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-box-gif-4154066459530846772

[dawn heath]

anyone has nameplates that shows mobs with different color if they dont have rupture on them?

for m+

[molten echo]

Shivz plater profile from his guide he linked like 30 min ago looked real nice, i’ma try those when i get home from work

[dawn heath]

do they have that?

[molten echo]

https://youtu.be/vFvKi65rGUg?si=RbgnqP9T5InUXIkg

in this vid

[keen remnant]

google "plater mod/script border color debuff", used on enhancement and rogue

[forest notch]

How are peopel choosing which of these to use for keys? Is there recommendations for different dungeons/key level? Or is it preference?

[forest notch]

This good? Im skeptical about YT videos these days for good learning content for WoW

[molten echo]

Seems good, based off Whispyr’s info mostly

[forest notch]

cool I will give it a watch

[uncut knot]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[forest notch]

maybe it answers my preceeding quesion

[finite yarrow]

does dawnthread stack or is it bugged currently?

[limber lion]

Cleave is more prio/st, Hybrid is a bit of both, Bleed is full AoE

Bleed is great for lower keys

[stone yacht]

it depends on the key level and the group damage. The longer adds stay alive, the more benefit you get from bleed variants. If it's a +2 and adds die in<10 seconds, you probably are better off in cleave/poison

[iron orchid]

I was going to ask the same question

I see no upgrade to my crit when I put on my 2nd dawnthread item

[finite yarrow]

dying fixed it for me

lol

[ashen scroll]

when you use CT on 5 targets, does the dmg reduce if some of the target die during the dot?

[iron orchid]

alright thx i guess x)

[forest notch]

wait im confused, isnt this the opposite of what you said above? Bleed is great for lower keys

[stone yacht]

different person

[forest notch]

oh oops

just saw red