assassination

[cobalt sphinx]

bro they are blasting right now

[novel star]

LMFAOOOOO

[cobalt sphinx]

looks like 6s are easy

[haughty lantern]

[gentle apex]

DEEZ NUTS

[spice spire]

I’m not gonna troll if I think it’s real

[cobalt sphinx]

they already cleared a tyra 6 with a prot pally

[spice spire]

Tbf

[warped belfry]

50¢

[lapis scaffold]

Wtf... who are these people..

[spice spire]

Mists always has been an easier one

[cobalt sphinx]

true

[spice spire]

If you get past first boss it’s free

[cobalt sphinx]

the difficulty is in your problem solving skills

[west crown]

can you dm me a link to this?

[spice spire]

Buddy the weak aura works

[haughty lantern]

on this note, what do you think is the easiest dungeon

[spice spire]

No think

[cobalt sphinx]

and somehow they got through the puzzle game with a fury and enhance

you know for a fact those dudes didn't solve a single one

[haughty lantern]

for the sake of like....if i wanted to run mythics non-stop for crests or vault, what dungeon would you spam

[lapis scaffold]

Are they competing for something or wth?

[gentle apex]

@haughty lantern DAWNBREAKER

[cobalt sphinx]

it's devs playtesting live

[near osprey]

Dawn Breaker or Tiranscythe

[spice spire]

Haven’t done a lot this season ngl.
I played a lot during SL.
This season GB kinda sucks, sieve also sucks. nW and Mists are pretty easy

[gentle apex]

dawnbreaker is fast as shit

[spice spire]

I haven’t run dawn M+

[cobalt sphinx]

GB is gonna be insane

[haughty lantern]

fast =/= easy

[west crown]

anything but GB

[spice spire]

Ara Kara

[cobalt sphinx]

arakara last boss got massive nerfs

[spice spire]

Is ass (final boss sucks)

[haughty lantern]

thank christ

[spice spire]

Yeah hoping it fixed the overlaps

[haughty lantern]

final boss is AIDS

[spice spire]

They were disgusting

[near osprey]

Dawnbreaker is pretty fast if your tank isn't dumb in the lead up to boss #2

[spice spire]

Haven’t done city of threads

[west crown]

i'd say best is probably CoT

[spice spire]

And idk what the other is? Anvil or whatever?

[haughty lantern]

can't wait for keys to fail on the first boss b/c people don't know the definition of HUG THE BOSS

[spice spire]

CoT just has annoying RP

I’ll hug u boss

[queen egret]

Lets say we only use one tea charge for our KB DM opener - why is it not optimal to line up the buff with the last seconds of KB like in season 4?

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hug-discord-eee-gif-19080618

[west crown]

can't wait to see players doing their first mythic dungeons in m+

[haughty lantern]

hug

[spice spire]

KB got nerfed it’s less necessary these days

[normal mist]

because the dmg from KB was nerfed and isnt worth it

[lament stump]

im scared

[spice spire]

Before KB was the spec

Not supposed to be able to say even that

[normal mist]

dont go around it too

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

IS ROYAL

hi royal

[normal mist]

How you doing friend?

[gentle apex]

my bad

[spice spire]

Happens

[haughty lantern]

CLASS IS ALMOST OVER AND I'M ABOUT TO EUROBEAT MY MEAT WAY HOME

[spice spire]

Lot of filtered things because it’s a partnered server

[queen egret]

But is it not a minor gain regardless?

[haughty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/initial-d-takumi-fujiwara-goodbye-eurobeat-gif-5931628689437419262

[spice spire]

Nah because you wanna maintain ur envenom economy > mastery buff to KB

[west crown]

Gas?

[spice spire]

So energy more important than KB

[haughty lantern]

all electric baby

i get to drive my mom's tesla model 3

[weary spear]

do you tea for the first 6 seconds of KB or last 6? assuming you have double shiv

[haughty lantern]

both

ideally both

[slate crown]

Tea is with shiv

Don't pair its decision with kingsbane

Only think about tea and shiv together

[arctic socket]

Anyone grab some cool vault loot they wanna share

[west crown]

You can get in game? lol

[weary spear]

do you double tea in your opener then even though you're probably gonna be energy capped with lust?

[arctic socket]

Servers still aren’t up?

[haughty lantern]

I'M NOT HOME YET

[arctic socket]

At 3

Huh

[normal mist]

You dont "time" anything. You use during shiv windows when you need 100 energy

[west crown]

its been extended 2 hours

[vivid crown]

extended to 12pm pst

[cinder quartz]

wait i missed bowling talk? i went bowling sunday for the first time in like 15 years

[crisp pine]

jesus

[orchid wind]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cinder quartz]

i bowled a 150

[arctic socket]

Lmao cooked

[lucid silo]

but i have 3 teas and 1 shiv

[deft quiver]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[haughty lantern]

this is so blursed

[arctic socket]

Who wants to farm grim batol 10?

[past forum]

just for my understanding, outside of AP build do you ever press shiv outside of kb?

[haughty lantern]

become general grievous, get 3 more arms for more shivs

[slate crown]

Nope.

[lucid silo]

[spice spire]

I’d rather grate my skin

[arctic socket]

If you press shiv outside of kb you’re trolling

[cobalt sphinx]

9 is better once your vault is full

[weary spear]

am i using tea during shiv windows for mastery or energy? like if im energy capped during opener do i still use tea during shiv

[spice spire]

Unless

[haughty lantern]

oH OH I CAN HELP

[arctic socket]

No

[haughty lantern]

• Champ Track Loot + Carved: 2
• Hero Track Vault + Carved: 3
• Champ Track Loot + Hero Track Vault + Runed: 4
• Hero Track Loot + Hero Track Vault + Runed: 7
• Hero Track Loot + Hero Track Vault + Gilded: 9
• Hero Track Loot + Myth Track Vault + Gilded: 10+

[cinder quartz]

both

[spice spire]

You won’t get another KB

[haughty lantern]

so once you get your vault full of 10s, really you just need to run 9s

[cinder quartz]

just get your vault full of 10s

[arctic socket]

Shouldn’t be to hard

Just don’t be bad

Get good group

[agile geode]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[spice spire]

Carried eh?

[arctic socket]

Definitely

[cobalt sphinx]

is it carried if you assembled the avengers

[arctic socket]

Wish someone would carry me in gold

[cobalt sphinx]

they call me nick fury

[arctic socket]

[vivid crown]

is myth+ loot determined only by key? or do you get locked from the dungeon itself too per day?

[shy pecan]

Most people won’t get 10s done first week

[arctic socket]

Someone in this channel just recently gave me 600k I won’t say who but I have already spent 100k of it

[queen egret]

Can someone share their macro for multiate that casts multiate, but ambush on procs ?

[arctic socket]

Flower crown is bis

[queen egret]

i fucked mine up

[cobalt sphinx]

no lockouts

[queen egret]

!macro

!mutilate

[vivid crown]

so you can do as many keys as you can get

noice

[gentle apex]

@queen egret you mean literally just mutilate from your spellbook?

[balmy condor]

it already does that

[cobalt sphinx]

loot downgrades if you do not time it though afaik

[queen egret]

ah ok

[vivid crown]

yeah

[gentle apex]

hee hoo hoo coconut

[arctic socket]

Real talk tho

[gentle apex]

https://tenor.com/tYch.gif

[queen egret]

thought i had a macro and i couldnt find it

[arctic socket]

We going hybrid

Or bleed spec

For keys

[vivid crown]

i haven't done anything other than hybrid

[gentle apex]

bleed spec for under 5

everything will still pop too quickly

[weary spear]

higher keys we stop taking SD ?

[runic hinge]

Hybrid too good. I do miss ap tho

[arctic socket]

Can we run hybrid with vv or is that troll

[cobalt sphinx]

vv does sound kinda wild and crazy

[weary spear]

can someone link hybrid talents

[queen cove]

double vanish ❤️‍🔥

[cobalt sphinx]

hybrid is just standard m+ build

[snow harness]

Whats the hybrid tree look like?

[spice spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cobalt sphinx]

dtb sd kb

[spice spire]

[gentle apex]

bro I thought I would have some time before date night to do some keys and open my vault but she's gonna get here the exact goddamned second before another delay

[eager gazelle]

have your date open your vault for good luck

[vivid crown]

i love ic so much

[eager gazelle]

added bonus, she will never speak to you again so you have more time for keys later

[vivid crown]

i can't imagine playing without it

[cobalt sphinx]

if you parked your character at the vault you can remote desktop to open it

[woven shore]

Server up?????!!!!!

[cobalt sphinx]

in the bathroom or w/e

[woven shore]

TELL ME ROGS

[weary spear]

3+ targets we FoK, and 2 or less we muti ?

[gentle apex]

@woven shore NO

[tight sparrow]

Forget WoW... You'll be opening a better vault

[woven shore]

[woven shore]

Tx

[clear nexus]

is there not a #show-vault channel

[cobalt sphinx]

ill show you mine if you show me yours

[balmy condor]

no

[clear nexus]

well

[icy osprey]

anyone planning on crafting 636 dagger asap?

[gentle apex]

I cannot stop recommending this book I got on audible, it has given me skills

[woven shore]

LMFAAAOOO

I will show you mine

Ill pm you

[clear nexus]

my phallic shaped dagger

[gentle apex]

Can Authority of the Depths proc twice or just higher uptime?

[lime crypt]

i dont know what dn is

[vale lantern]

this is a good question currently i have authority on both my daggers

[spice surge]

it does more damage

So neither

[gentle apex]

deez nuts || darkest night the hero talent capstone ||

[errant hawk]

!plater

[weary spear]

everyone playing FB in m+ until higher keys? what key level would you guys switch

[lime crypt]

oh

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[west crown]

I plan to

[errant hawk]

ty

[lime crypt]

clear witnesses is casting FoK

[gentle apex]

yes

[subtle tundra]

my date?

[lime crypt]

i dont do that

[subtle tundra]

lol

[lime crypt]

i run 2 vicious venoms in the logs

so i heard its better to use mutilate

[gentle apex]

That's crazy bc you were in a heavy add fight

[frigid pilot]

There’s no cringe rare time strike type daggers from mythic plus right

[spice spire]

Correct

[frigid pilot]

Yay

Good expansion

(For now)

[spice surge]

There is a special crafted dagger

[eager gazelle]

its happening

[spice surge]

But for some reason its not good

[cobalt sphinx]

SERVERS UP SERVERS UP SERVERS UP SERVERS UP SERVERS UP SERVERS UP SERVERS UP SERVERS UP SERVERS UP

[frigid pilot]

Just sucks when it’s bis, rare and not infinitely farmable

[spice surge]

(as in the numbers are low)

[gentle apex]

NOT A DRILL

[subtle tundra]

there is from delve

[short comet]

Thank god I ran so many stupid dungeons for that dagger

[cobalt sphinx]

LOG THE FUCK IN

[eager gazelle]

wait for the first wave of vault openers so you know if it is bugged

imo

[whole sand]

gl with vault nerds

[spice spire]

LOGIN NA

[subtle tundra]

i love misinformation

[crystal delta]

is our 4set rly just like 2.1% dps inc?

[gentle apex]

it's actually a 2.8 billion DPS increase

also it files your taxes

[split willow]

can confirm

[eager gazelle]

how did it get access to my w2?

[wild birch]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[split willow]

it is integreated with the irs

[vale lantern]

spent $60 on Overwatch WoW bundle and the servers came up

[subtle tundra]

not NA, the goverment does that

[west crown]

WE UP

[gentle apex]

@gamer

[vivid crown]

server is up but i've been sitting on the blue bar for a solid min

[orchid wind]

how much dps gain is our 2p and 4p in M+ ?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i'm on illidan so i'll be on a blue bar for another coulpe hours

[gentle apex]

buh buh buh sim your character

BROTHER I AM GETTING SET PIECE

AND THEN DOING LFR

[modern agate]

okay boys 616 tier piece or 616 shadow binding ritual knife

the tier piece gives me 4 set

[wide ferry]

servers be fryin

[spice spire]

616 tier sounds high key juice ngl.

[grave blade]

concoction of death poopie or what?

[spice spire]

Knife is very good

But

Can proc during coolies

And that’s dookie

[wide ferry]

Anyone in? Blue barring for like 10 mins lol

[grave blade]

poop or pog?

[spice spire]

It’s okay

[eager gazelle]

2.5 min cd feels not good

[warped belfry]

Seems annoying

[gentle apex]

can you cloak the stun

[spice spire]

Apparently you can game it to not be on 30s

So if you have double on use

You’re gaming

[nova aspen]

oh boy, hero track crit/mast dagger or hero track tier shoulders

[spice spire]

raidbots.com

[gentle apex]

hero track shoulders

[spice spire]

[lime crypt]

[gentle apex]

that way you can give tier to your guild when you raid

[eager gazelle]

imagine being a team player

cant be me

[lime crypt]

let me play my game

[gentle apex]

oh brother i am out here using motivational quotes every wipe

[lime crypt]

[grave blade]

my vault is ass boys.

[slate crown]

cannot log in

stuck

[lime crypt]

stepbro

[spice spire]

Not the 603s king

What are those

[spice spire]

Good (I’m a hater)

[slate crown]

As long as its u homie

[grave blade]

better than these poopers?

[potent dawn]

Boys IDK what to do....

[sacred halo]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[spice spire]

Oh that’s a crazy

Vault

Damn

[eager gazelle]

very rare cloak is going to be hard to skip for me

[spice spire]

http://www.raidbots.com

[potent dawn]

Im simming it but also am like IDK if i should pass on that cape

[balmy condor]

that vault sucks holy

you take cape like 100% of the time

[spice spire]

Yeah

[potent dawn]

That was my thought too

[grave blade]

our tier set is so trash. Prob not even worth getting a 603 ilvl Tpiece.

[remote ermine]

'GAGS'

[grave blade]

should I just get 6 tokens?

[clear nexus]

u dont want set legs?

[grave blade]

set is hotdog water.

[somber hill]

Cant decide here - leaning contract

[cobalt sphinx]

imagine crying about 616 tier

[spice spire]

http://www.raidbots.com

[still stone]

feeling good

[grave blade]

our 4 piece is like 2% dam . worst Tset in game.

[bleak lodge]

arsenal anygood?

[subtle tundra]

most average

[spice spire]

It is not the worst iirc

[grave blade]

it is. I checked.

[somber hill]

I mean its gonna say tier but u can craft tier so thats why im not raidbotting atm i already plugged it in

[spice spire]

Source?

Need sauce

[grave blade]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/edit?gid=1333177882#gid=1333177882

us and survival have a 2.1% 4 set

hot ass

[safe shale]

What talents are being run for ansurek btw? seen some fairly different builds and cant see how the one on wowhead works with internal bleeding?

[grave blade]

prob just avoid it and focus on ilvl

[hexed matrix]

clearly the 626 neck, right?

[whole sand]

gang don't worry i got the worst one possible

[tranquil ruin]

is this good

[grave blade]

prob just get tokens like me fam, we got jipped.

[balmy condor]

yes

[grave blade]

tier is poo poo. No point taking a big ilvl hit on a 603 piece.

[whole sand]

nah its the legs probably, im gonna do some content then sim

[balmy condor]

Sim your vaults guys tier and trinkets and all the usual "Very rare" drops are good ideas to take

[spice spire]

Numbers are off

[fresh mulch]

how do we play a 2-target cleave situation? rotation wise. do we garrote/rapture the second target as well?

[lapis scaffold]

Let's gooooooo

[spice spire]

But ours is definitely toward the bottom

[slate cradle]

How good is that kiss of death trinket?

[runic hinge]

check out that bottom xd

[restive inlet]

Deathstalker seems weird. Just did an 8 delve, and ambush from stealth on opener only applies marks like 30-60% of the time

[spice spire]

Classic bottom with a good bottom row

[potent dawn]

Did you have Darkest Night buff when you went to apply?

[lapis scaffold]

meh

[potent dawn]

I was noticing yesterday that if you have Darkest night and go to Ambush it wont consume stacks even tho it says the mark is on the target

[charred crest]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

I receive the fire warnings

[restive inlet]

no, this is from the opener. nothing from before

[charred crest]

So anyone know which is the worse piece in tierset like bad status?

[novel star]

in the fuckin m0 vault bro

i'm gonna do it for real

[lapis scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[novel star]

THATS NOT NICE

[waxen needle]

i did my vault was ass outside of that

[novel star]

IM ALREADY WEARING HEROIC SKARDYNS

[waxen needle]

Oop

[novel star]

NOW ITS CHAMP TRACK SKARDYNS

CUCKED FOREVER

my rng is doomed.

[eager gazelle]

none are that bad, but chest prob worst

[charred crest]

yes but i took chest

was 616

need that one

[spice spire]

Same

[fast fog]

How big is 2 piece on us? Big enough to convert a Champ piece?

[spice spire]

580 chest still

[spice spire]

No

[lapis scaffold]

guys, please stop

[spice spire]

Our tier is very mid

[fast fog]

For sure

[cerulean compass]

HAHAH wtf

[spice spire]

And by mid I mean on the lower end of the spectrum

[fast fog]

RIP

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-smells-like-unemployment-gif-24103074

[main drum]

zealots insignia neck 613 or 616 tier shoulders that would make my 4p

[green skiff]

Ive got a lower level choice i need help making. I do delves and just managed to squeak a set of 4s for vault loot. I can get a 593 Quickwick Candlestick, or 590 Tier gloves.

[spice spire]

Couldn’t find a poor gif sorry

[spice spire]

http://www.raidbots.com is your best bet for these questions!

On tier

[green skiff]

yeah, im in queue

[spice spire]

That’s a guild specific question

[vivid crown]

raidbots queue is like 7000 hahaha

[spice spire]

Ours is agnostic

So doesn’t matter where you are

It’s a free roll (as long as you legit need)

[jagged gulch]

sup, are we changing anything to tree with a 2set

[dense talon]

tier piece or weapon?

[jagged gulch]

tier piece

[raven dew]

looking through my vault and im torn between

• K'areshi Phantom's Nexus Wraps (chest) -> ilvl 616

• Myconic Strap (belt) -> ilvl 616

• The chest is not as much of an upgrade, but it is a set piece (will be my 1st one so no set bonus yet). My current chest is ilvl 580

• The belt on the otherhand is a huge upgrade, up from my current belt ilvl 558

Wondering what the best pick would be. the chest or the belt? Thanks!

[eager gazelle]

you can craft a 590 belt for real cheap

[cobalt sphinx]

id go chest

[raven dew]

sweet 🙏 thanks guys!

[tired gull]

got a neck, everything else was literal trash

no longer a member of the 580 club @spice spire

[snow harness]

I know what I have to do, but I dont know if I have the strength to do it..

That trinket looks juice

[spice spire]

Damn

Pissed

[modern agate]

guys are we running our ER capstone now? didnt it get fixed?

[spice spire]

I’ll know in six hours

[spice spire]

Pins and yes we are

[pliant falcon]

Any tips for maximizing kingsbane dmg? Like is it better to wait for deathmark to end and have the 30% buff or put it at the same time as deathmark

[spice spire]

Same time as dm

[pliant falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-24016724

[old sequoia]

gotta take the hero tier pants right?

[clear nexus]

love being eu

i stil have christmas morning

waiting

[open mountain]

Been simming all the delve trinkets at 616.. weirdly concoction kiss of death simmed highest and even weirder it said best trinket to go with it is skardyns.. they are both on use trinkets.. I checked quick sim with the trinkets and it uses both trinkets at the same time.. can anyone confirm or deny that kiss of death can be used at the same time as skardyns?

[clear nexus]

big vault

[spice spire]

Confirm

[open mountain]

The on use for the trinket is odd, you use it then use it again to take the antidote

[spice spire]

It can be

[open mountain]

So you can use them both at the same time?

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[magic shore]

got an insane vault

[lapis scaffold]

First Tier piece (N) or a 616 choker with a slot but it's Versa?

Raidbot says the choker is 1.6% better, but that would be my first step to the tier set....

Thoughts?

[magic shore]

• leech, 626, 6/6 hero lol

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah that's what i've heard

[young nacelle]

please say sike

[spice spire]

Socket too

Honestly either

You know your tier situation with your guild

[open mountain]

Awesome cheers

[lapis scaffold]

Im solo 😦

[spice spire]

Oh that makes it muddier

[novel star]

at least the sikran neck is insane

[spice spire]

App to guilds. There’s so many one day ers if time is an issue!
But catalyst also helps.
So like

[novel star]

626 from vault is so fat

[spice spire]

Are you just gonna key or

[novel star]

the dopamine

[royal iron]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Aiming to raid too?

[lapis scaffold]

Keys and raid up to AoTC probably

[spice spire]

Just pug?

[lapis scaffold]

Up until now, yea, probably just pugs

[spice spire]

I’d listen to sim tbh.
But you know your situation better than I do

Socket is a nice addendum

Stats aren’t ideal but we like em all

[lapis scaffold]

True.. but its Versa

[spice spire]

We like em all

[novel star]

vers is fine

sin doesnt have bad stats

dont get baited by the stat prio

[open mountain]

Or go for socket as you’ll replace all your gear soon anyway

[novel star]

its not the bible like it is for some specs

[lapis scaffold]

Fair enough, I'll grab the socket as it's a Hero tier anyways

tier set comes later

[novel star]

having more haste than crit after equipping sikran neck is a little upsetting though

[lapis scaffold]

its a normal gear for tier set, so meh

[novel star]

but the sims dont lie

[spice spire]

#assassination message

[novel star]

i know

its just like

i want to see my combo points go giga

i wanna i wanna

i wanna play fatebound and do 1 mutilate to 5cp

it feels os fcuking GOOD

[spice spire]

Think about that extra 20 energy every minute tho

[novel star]

[spice spire]

[simple rivet]

bubbling wax doing infinite damage in tw

[spice spire]

[robust scaffold]

Is this real? this trinket from delves is a 20K ST increase??

[spice spire]

Wait is it tw week for a normal piece!?

[spice spire]

Seems right

[runic gorge]

do we have a bad tier piece? or are they all have decent stats?

[spice spire]

Iirc chest is worst

[mortal badger]

yes sir, also hero piece chest from illidian quest

[runic gorge]

tyty

[simple rivet]

illidan quest ?

[mortal badger]

check wowhead

[spice spire]

Oh Bt

[open mountain]

Timewalking black temple

[abstract junco]

Halp. Which are y'all taking?

[uncut hemlock]

so wrist and belt is safe to craft with sparks yeah ?

[young dust]

sup y'all

[spice spire]

http://www.raidbots.com/

Me no think

Me just plug in

[proven jasper]

[spice spire]

Until it comes to tier

[abstract junco]

Yeah yeahhh, I'm at work so

[spice spire]

Thought needed there

You can do it on mobile too!

[abstract junco]

Oh hmmm

[south osprey]

Hi guys, sry
any can help me pleasE?

pants hero?

[normal mist]

Sim

Just sim the vault options

[pure moth]

We start a counter for how many times people say sim today?

[obtuse birch]

should we trust sim more than the wowhead guy??

[normal mist]

It's the same person

Smh

[obtuse birch]

haha

[spice spire]

Yes because wowhead guy does a general list and then focuses from top down while sim is your current character as is

[normal mist]

Do it

[spice spire]

500 variables etc

[obtuse birch]

I think you might be on to something

[whole sand]

can i trust the sim over maxroll tho

[normal mist]

LOL

[errant swallow]

How bad is 2pc and 4pc

[normal mist]

It's good

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[normal mist]

It's more dmg

[dense cove]

@normal mist do you know what the highest ilvl dagger that can be crafted this week is?

[normal mist]

Mythic is open and m+

So you can get max craft

[balmy condor]

636 I guess ye

[normal mist]

I wasn't sure about the number so I just said max craft

[uncut hemlock]

wait did they fix siphoning stiletto to 1.8 speed instead of 2.6 ?

[normal mist]

Long time ago

[dense cove]

hmm kinda seems worth i guess

[normal mist]

Still sucks

[uncut hemlock]

i see so i still shouldnt craft yea ?

[normal mist]

Yea

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

@uncut hemlock check above

[prisma laurel]

i should take the tier piece right?

[whole sand]

[spice spire]

Unless you’re absolutely fiending for a ring

That’s one of the easier ones

[whole sand]

i want that nature damage ring

[spice spire]

Me too king

Whispyr’s dh tank got it in his vault (heroic)

Idk if he took that or tier tho

[dense cove]

goodness i can't decide whether to take hero track dagger or hero track tier piece that would make me 3pc but i have no catalyst charge left

[spice spire]

When do you raid

[errant night]

guys. trying to explore this whole logs thing. seen someone post their logs. are my any good? my last real raids were in cata btw haha

[spice spire]

Tier is a weird one

[dense cove]

friday/saturday

[spice spire]

Not gonna say “sim” on this conundrum

Oof

[normal mist]

You can literally see good parsing numbers. Ain't hard to understand those are good

[spice spire]

Higher number = good

Good job

[errant night]

so 100 is max?

[spice spire]

Yes

That means at that second

You had the best in the world

[errant night]

literally nobody

[spice spire]

Follow your gut here

[dense cove]

i feel like if i can run m+ and craft a max dagger it's worth not taking dagger i guess

[spice spire]

I think it’s dagger

But there’s also that

[dense cove]

cause then i guarantee 4pc next week and will already have max dagger

[spice spire]

Go with gut king

I believe in you

[dense cove]

haha i don't but YOLO

[spice spire]

Tier is a super weird balancing act though

So I don’t think there’s a right answer rn

[obtuse birch]

is 4piece even big for us? doesnt sound it

[spice spire]

You’ll know if you were right on reset

[spice spire]

Absolutely not

But it’s extra dam

[acoustic roost]

!UP

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[devout hazel]

someone know if u need more leather in raid to drop more leather

because i made a raid with no leather

only me

[edgy trellis]

what should be our minimum kingsbane dmg ?

[devout hazel]

so i get all loot

[spice spire]

This doesn’t exist

There’s no bar

Just play correctly

And it’ll shake out to be what it is

[spice spire]

This is not how it works

[errant night]

sorry, if i may ask.. if it shows me that my best perf. avg is 94.8 does it mean that i performed better than 94.8 % of other rogue players?

[spice spire]

Yes

[errant night]

wow

didn't know, thank you

[spice spire]

Good job

Ag dog

If you last played cata

[bleak lodge]

so i shouldnt take this trinket for a .1 increase lol

[spice spire]

This didn’t exist

[spice spire]

Since I see other things better, maybe not

[errant night]

i also played a little bit in the end of df, but as a mage, so..

[limber lion]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cobalt sphinx]

guys is 97th percentile good

haha im new btw

[bleak lodge]

best incease is tier shoulders and its 1.8%

[spice spire]

Big

No need to be rude to each other guys

[snow harness]

A part of me wants that trinket but I know I shouldn't, lol

[errant night]

but i'm serious

[spice spire]

Maybe he’s simply built diff .
If he were trying to hard flex parses I doubt he’d do an under orange

[obtuse birch]

idk if I want Sikrans Enndless Arsenal or Detachable Fang? they are both 3% increase

[errant night]

i didn't know what that is

and don't really understand the whole thing now haha

[iron valve]

brother got an entire tier set in his bank

[limber lion]

@balmy condor I've updated my plater profile. Can probably update the command as well.

[errant night]

what these star points even mean

wow is literally my second job

haha

[spice spire]

Vibe it out big dog

[snow harness]

sim says gloves is biggest DPS increase, but the trinket is .4% less

[tacit hedge]

I've been playing assa rouge since the new expansion came out and I see my parsec is horrible and I have no idea why. Does anyone or place do log reviews?

[spice spire]

Mandate is good but it’s a simmer

[spice spire]

Here just be patient

[prisma laurel]

so we can get tier pieces from m+ loot tables?

[spice spire]

I’ll ping a greeny

[spice spire]

Yes

[amber fjord]

so did builds for single target changed?

i saw some ppl not using improved garrote

[spice spire]

In vault

[limber lion]

Yes

[spice spire]

Over a week ago yes

[prisma laurel]

damn

[devout hazel]

how it works

[snow harness]

What do you mean by that? I'm completely new to the whole sim thing. Started using it today

[amber fjord]

i mean like for new talents, they were not out a week ago

[normal mist]

stuff just drops

[spice spire]

The boss drops x random pieces from its table. Agnostic of comp or whatever

You can have 0 rogues and drop 5 agil daggers

[normal mist]

yes

[dense cove]

i'm looking at wowhead, do we actually wear 5/5 tier?

[errant night]

this shit is crazy

[amber fjord]

hum, nice

[spice spire]

/simc with vault Open plug it into raidbots

[raven sonnet]

Did u NA boys get another catalyst charge?

[spice spire]

And it’ll spit out best upgrade

[amber fjord]

not used to using vanish for ambush instead of garrote

seems nice

[spice spire]

NExt week

[amber fjord]

idk, my dmg its wierd

[normal mist]

with VV no improved garrote you dont even need to use vanish

[snow harness]

Ah, I did. Gloves is best item out of everything for me. Trinket is lagging by .4% in DPS

[errant night]

btw is is possible to sim all the items from the great vault list? just curious

[normal mist]

Yes

the sim has that option

[spice spire]

Trinket is good - don’t think it’s a troll pick tbh

[amber fjord]

i was trying that

[spice spire]

But do whatever you think is best with that info

[normal mist]

That vanish is bugged for now

so no need to cast it

[errant night]

good, thx!

[amber fjord]

but yeah maybe i dont use vanish for this shit

[spice spire]

Is the best advice I have! Not trying to be obtuse about it

[amber fjord]

FFFFF

[normal mist]

its fine

[spice spire]

But if I say X and regret happens. I’m to blame

[normal mist]

the increase isnt that big

[spice spire]

There’s no exact answer

[cobalt sphinx]

is the story mode quest available

for the runed crest

[snow harness]

I figure I could get trinket now and make a tier piece with catalyst to make my (2) set

[torpid estuary]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[spice spire]

That also makes sense to me

[normal mist]

the idea behind that vanish was to AMBUSH when you have DN buff up, applying 3 marks to the target AND having DN up

which means you could 7cp consume DN and 1 mark

but for now its not working

BUT echoing reprimand now works with DN and marks

[amber fjord]

yes i saw that

bbig dmg increase

[normal mist]

flow also good

[plain pier]

you think going into mythic+ season, should go hero track detachable fang trinket that sims better in ST, or my champ track tier gloves that sim better in aoe?

[normal mist]

kinda hard to respond to that

[amber fjord]

im at 603 ilvl atm, sometimes i can do like 720k-800k dps

but i need to work on some stugg

stuff*

[normal mist]

Ez you can do it

[spice spire]

Whatcha doing more

[proud salmon]

they fixed our bug :O

with deathstalker

so nice now

[normal mist]

4 days ago

[spice spire]

Yes

[proud salmon]

LMAO

[chilly canopy]

Wait so we wont get one this reset?

[proud salmon]

fair

[normal mist]

no

Its every other week

[spice spire]

Week 2 of season you get another charge

[tacit hedge]

If anyone has the time to quickly glance over my logs. Not sure what is it that's making me do so bad. (I know on Queen Ansurek I did die )

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YJDNMdCtgKbcqRBX

[errant night]

question: is great vault sim feature gonna be visible as soon as i get my vault open? because i don't this option right now.

[tidal coyote]

want some feedback from the smart ppl.. in my vault i got the 626 cloak and the 616 dagger but my current cloak is 610 and my current MH dagger is 619.. the sim technically says the dagger is a 600 dps upgrade (putting it in OH) vs the cloak but the claok feels like a smarter upgrade.. curious if anyone has any thoughts?

[spice spire]

@normal mist thread him big dog

I’ll get to it in a bit

[spice spire]

The very rare cloak?

[normal mist]

Spartan LOG

[spice spire]

I’d take the cloak

[tidal coyote]

yes the the wings cloak

which is why im thinking thats the better upgrade

[spice spire]

Very rare stuff is juice

[dense cove]

if i don't take an item from vault until later this week will i still progress my new vault for next week?

[tidal coyote]

even though sim says otherwise

[spice spire]

Because you want it

[cobalt sphinx]

616 dagger should be replaced soon

[spice spire]

But so does everyone else

[cobalt sphinx]

cloak won't be

[spice spire]

You’ll find the dagger replacement

[tidal coyote]

ty guys I was thinking the same just wanted some validation 🙂

[spice spire]

You’re good

Not all answers are “sim” (most are tho)

[uncut hemlock]

2 times dawnthread lining doesnt seem to stack no ?

[normal mist]

they do

[amber fjord]

need to learn a new rotation, i dont think im doing it right

[normal mist]

just Kill yourself

in game

[amber fjord]

or i just need enchants and shit

[normal mist]

or fall below 80%

and get healed up

[spice spire]

Dog?

[uncut hemlock]

ahh i see

[normal mist]

they should give around 1500 crit

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

New sticker new me

[normal mist]

i like it

[spice spire]

xla sticker when

[uncut hemlock]

yea worked now after i kmsd

tyy 🙂

[normal mist]

xDDD

[arctic socket]

Xla?

[normal mist]

its weird but its funny

[sudden hound]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

Tf is that

[spice spire]

Wdym

[arctic socket]

Bro what

[spice spire]

xalatothed

[inner light]

1st week problems

[arctic socket]

Oh

[errant night]

got lucky

[arctic socket]

Eeeh

Next will probably be brann he’s the goat

[spice spire]

Solid vault tbh

[spice spire]

[inner light]

any input on what to take? sim says mad queens but its only champion track... very rare cloak is tempting me

[arctic socket]

Do you have your 4 set?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah probably just take whatever vendors for the most

[spice spire]

Very rare is a fine pickup

[arctic socket]

Or a wep above that delve dagger

His message got deleted ha

[spice spire]

I’d take very rare over 616 dagger

Since that’s replaceable this week fairly easily

[inner light]

i have a curio from normal and a catalyst charge still but no tier yet

[arctic socket]

How

[uncut hemlock]

is crafting 610 pvp dagger worth it as placeholder or not that great of an idea ?

[cobalt sphinx]

just make a 619 with 45 runed

[spice spire]

Crafting

Also I asked

[cobalt sphinx]

or save up 90 gilded

[normal mist]

if you're okay paying the price

[arctic socket]

I would either take the cloak or wait for your raid

Cloak looks pretty sick

[spice spire]

Sucks that 626 is on hero track still

But makes sense

[arctic socket]

Can’t wait to see a grace trinket in my vault

At 603

[spice spire]

[cedar hare]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic socket]

Is it this week for our third spark

Or is that next week?

[crude anvil]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tired gull]

some day i will sim 1m

[frigid pilot]

any1 got a script for timewalking gear sim?

[spring moat]

!talents

[frigid pilot]

droptimizer doesnt have it

@vestal wren @balmy condor just incase u alrdy have sumth like that

[balmy condor]

Timewalking gear sucks

[hollow blade]

what would y'all rec from here?

[spring moat]

FB or DS or ST raid?

[hollow blade]

these are the sims

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

Can you get 2p or 4p?

[hollow blade]

nah

is neck really our bis?

so much haste is gross

[normal mist]

why

we want all stats

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with haste

[hollow blade]

oh

nvm im dumb

so neck is good?

[normal mist]

ilvl is good

[vocal minnow]

anyone got the set % increase sheet for all classes?

[balmy condor]

It’s a neck with full stats and an extra effect

Why wouldn’t it be good

[hollow blade]

okay bet

[normal mist]

but the question is, are you simming 2/4 piece

[hollow blade]

nah i didn't

how do i sim with set?

[normal mist]

do you have any piece currently?

[cobalt sphinx]

haste suck on multitarget

[hollow blade]

nope

yea i only care about m+

sim'd d slice

[fleet pagoda]

still gotta kill bosses

[hollow blade]

do i gotta gear compare it, or is there like a set piece button or smth

[cobalt sphinx]

id still go neck though

[balmy condor]

Comcast outage in my neighborhood

Holy fuck

I’m gonna say slurs

This dogshit fucking company

[wanton mirage]

Comcast is dog

[cobalt sphinx]

626 neck means big discount on any neck that drops in keys too

[frigid pilot]

they waited for mythic week?

[turbid crest]

Heya can some1 link me the talents cod for : AOE / ST raid MM+ please i only see wowhead link

[cobalt sphinx]

wowhead builds are good

[balmy condor]

My alternative is paying at&t 10 dollars a month more for 1/4th the speed

[frigid pilot]

i moved specifically to get fios/fibre bro

had spectrum b4 it was garbage

[normal mist]

You can choose a piece of gear and catalyst it in the sim

[cobalt sphinx]

raid aoe is raid st with spatter instead of IB

[normal mist]

send me the link to your sim

[spice spire]

Least toxic CE raider

[slim pebble]

I feel like this is the easiest take of my life?

[spice spire]

What are the options mason

[balmy condor]

At least I’m not diddling kids

[noble flume]

Hi guys , i just came back to play and im trying assa, someone can explain me why the envenom sometimes make like a zone under the target?

[spice spire]

I said raider not 49er (fan)

[faint path]

lul just got the raid finder tier set :p

[burnt yacht]

definitely take helm here yeah???????

haste mastery

[normal mist]

sim it

[spice spire]

Poison bomb

[faint path]

waow

[merry shell]

EU Prison

[slim pebble]

My trinkets suck ass, but tier gloves with leech seem too good to pass up?

[noble flume]

its rng or i depend on some buffs?

[inner swift]

yo

[normal mist]

rng

[noble flume]

i was trying imagine venoms stack or something but idk

[balmy condor]

I can’t wait for the last trickle of NA vault spam to die down and see EU wake up and continue the vault spam

I have no missed this every week

Bricking the discord for 2 days a week

Cause just spamming vault

[oak eagle]

my vault was pretty sick

got the very rare neck from raid

[clear nexus]

IS TRANSMITTER WORTH PLAYING

oops caps, been watching keshaeuw

[balmy condor]

A vault you don’t even need to sim

[arctic socket]

can i reroll it?

[balmy condor]

That’s crazy

Wdym

You take trinket

[arctic socket]

dodoo vault

[clear nexus]

loot the trink

[balmy condor]

For free

What

No

[arctic socket]

deadass?

HUH

[clear nexus]

ur a dead ass soon if u dont loot that trink

[balmy condor]

You take the ritual knife 100/10 times

[arctic socket]

is that trinket that good?

[clear nexus]

bis

[balmy condor]

Well not bis

[arctic socket]

Like yall arent trolling me

right

[balmy condor]

Calm down

[arctic socket]

lmao

[balmy condor]

But it’s good yes

[arctic socket]

i have spyglass + sac

if i too kthe chest

i could make a 4p

but it's also chest

;/

[fickle lotus]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[balmy condor]

Probably better than spyglass

[arctic socket]

a 600ilvl fayewind sims better

spyglass doodoo

can i send someone my simc and they do a sim for me?

[clear nexus]

true, i for some reason mixed it up with the mastery on use

[slim pebble]

Sim wants me to take the spyglass > hero track gloves

[sturdy stirrup]

any advice about how to carry my mark from queen to add should i save vanish

[balmy condor]

When you get the capstone, don’t

Gg mark managed

[haughty flicker]

[clear nexus]

i can if you give me 1 month of that OF

[inner swift]

play fatebound: gg mark managed D:

[clear nexus]

just dont hit envenom

[last skiff]

any have the % of dps win with embel? I consider to craft rb

[subtle tundra]

what are bis trinket to farm

[clear nexus]

Skardyn

[subtle tundra]

other than

[inner swift]

sak

[clear nexus]

skardyn>sac>spyglass

nvm, go to the wowhead guide

[subtle tundra]

no i wont

i wanted an answer from you guys

[clear nexus]

give it many clicks/views whatever

[subtle tundra]

i knew this already

[pliant falcon]

perks of being the only rogue in raid

[clear nexus]

can rogues interrupt Xal'atath's Bargain: Ascendant with aoe blind

[clear nexus]

SADDS

[sullen hearth]

Discord is mostly bricks speaking anyways

[sturdy stirrup]

[clear nexus]

spoken like a true brick

[cobalt sphinx]

we need more people gassing up fatebound

[novel star]

well at least you wont be doing it on twitch

[pliant falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-fire-cute-gif-16109268

[sullen hearth]

this is why i mostly dont speak

[sudden torrent]

oh thats amazing!

[normal mist]

To be fair most of us are pretty chill

[vestal wren]

so any guide on picking vault?

[normal mist]

unless we're having 2 people creating a romance environment

[clear nexus]

except that outlaw is better than sin guy

[proven jasper]

[clear nexus]

you two had quite an argument

i think

[normal mist]

who when

[sullen hearth]

We do have a comparatively good discord

[vestal wren]

i should add a !vault option

[sullen hearth]

I like it here

[vestal wren]

where you can put in all options

and it then spits out the best option

but what i don't tell people

is that its actually randomly selecting

[balmy condor]

Gonna start telling everyone to take sockets

Guaranteed upgrade

[normal mist]

Don't whispyr

[balmy condor]

What’s wrong with sockets royal

You don’t like doing more damage?

Homophobe

[normal mist]

Nothing is WRONG

until they socked a veteran item

and COMPLAIN

[clear nexus]

Tryan, but it wasnt you vs tryan

it was tryan vs zhuve

whatever

[sullen hearth]

lmmao unhinged statement

[normal mist]

probably tryan vs zac

[novel star]

u take vault sockets i take neck and spend 30k socketing it

well never be the same sadly

good ass fucking neck bro

[normal mist]

He's cool

especially when his internet service works

xDDD

[sullen hearth]

lmao, he got called out for his voice the other day

[balmy condor]

I’m just making a burrito at this point watching this discord devolve in real time

[sullen hearth]

that was the MOST UNHINGED

[novel star]

what does that mean

[tired gull]

boys

[novel star]

how do you call someone out for a voic e

[balmy condor]

I have a screenshot

[sullen hearth]

his stream is wild

[balmy condor]

hold on

[novel star]

like flamed you for it?

[novel star]

Oh

[mint valve]

What are we crafting for m+??

[balmy condor]

Fellas

[novel star]

yeah

yeah

[balmy condor]

Is it gay to talk

[sullen hearth]

xD

[novel star]

i mean...

[balmy condor]

In your natural voice

[royal lantern]

?????

[proven jasper]

[royal lantern]

whats with me

[proven jasper]

LMFAO

[royal lantern]

wtf

[novel star]

if i speak

big big trouble

[royal lantern]

i literally open discord and see that

[clear nexus]

you argued for outlaw > sin earlier

[proven jasper]

Doesnt sound like a tyran thing to do

I thought Tyran hated outlaws

[mint valve]

I know bis we craft wrists and belt but is there anything worth crafting now for m+ week?

[novel star]

depends on what you get from vault and raid

if youre left with a shit dagger craft a dagger

[balmy condor]

The only thing I argue for is separation of church and state, proletariats owning the means to production, and an ice cold Baja blast on a hot summer day