assassination

[still wharf]

the envenom dmg is baffling i think this will help

[glacial crypt]

pooling can be difficult, you just need to be a bit more patient and you're chilling

don't worry if you're afk waiting to press your button

[still wharf]

should i expect to match sims? if i get 600k should i be happy with 550 500

[glacial crypt]

plenty of times where you'll have gaps from just chilling waiting to press your button

[glacial crypt]

You shouldn't expect to match sims

[marble cradle]

i read that i need to chill but also try to keep envenom up but i also have some issues with pooling i feel like i cant get enough to sustain envenom sometimes

[median igloo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glacial crypt]

I'm happy if im 80% of my sim if that

[glacial crypt]

It can be tricky, sitting on target dummies will help

[midnight atlas]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[glacial crypt]

being blessed with blindside procs will also make it a lot easier

[still wharf]

how does staying under 50% lead to more envenom casts

[glacial crypt]

copy paste this into a notepad

[glacial crypt]

that's beyond me i just do what im told

[bitter saddle]

Less time pooling more time envenom

[surreal wedge]

does anyone have a macro with envenom and cold blood?

[indigo mulch]

[still wharf]

like thats how i end up starved lmao

[bitter saddle]

If you pool longer you wait longer so you wait longer with mark and envenom

[midnight atlas]

#showtooltip Envenom
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Envenom

[sharp viper]

I've fallen in love with deathstalker in raid with fixed ER interaction

[lament stump]

based

[midnight atlas]

true, its so good now

[bitter saddle]

Me too it’s so fun

[young dust]

same

[surreal wedge]

thanks

[sharp viper]

it's so much fun now

[bitter saddle]

Assa is much fun in general

[midnight atlas]

wish we had more single target but its alright they are fixing shit

[pure osprey]

what is ER interaction

[glacial crypt]

consuming on a reprimand combo point used to not consume a mark

but now it does

[midnight atlas]

having darkest night and finishing on empowered combo point now grants deathstalker mark

[pure osprey]

oh

gotcha ty

[glacial crypt]

it's

much better now

[next parcel]

2nd non lethal for raid?

[glacial crypt]

use these

[spice surge]

You literally only have crippling to choose from

[glacial crypt]

whatever you're talented into, use those

xd

then click on all of the poisons until you have 4

[midnight atlas]

you're fine without crippling, nobody kites adds in raid

[crisp pine]

Is sanguine affix still around?
Crippling is BiS for that

[midnight atlas]

bis for keeping the mobs longer in sanguine i guess.

[glacial crypt]

Ovniax ptsd already

😭

[wide shuttle]

On pulls with lust I don't run out of enough energy to need the thistle tea, do I still use one in the opener for the mastery buff?

[midnight atlas]

no more sanguine anyway

yeah, you do

dont overcap charges, you start drinking them in opener

[lean nimbus]

I've been playing assassination for a couple weeks now, and I have an (intermediate?) question about energy. On longer fights, I run out of gas. Should I be spamming Envenom as a spender if all my other abilities are chugging along? I feel like I'm making terrible use of Sanguine Blades.

[bitter saddle]

Always use tea with cds for mastery

[wide shuttle]

Okay I'm guessing you use it towards the end of kb for max value

[novel star]

not really anymore

[west crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[novel star]

the first tea you just want to get out so youre not capped on charges

future teas you use for energy so you can keep mashing

[wide shuttle]

Okay so doesn't matter when during opener just use one

[limber lion]

After you have everything setup

[novel star]

yeah

[limber lion]

But yeah that's about it

[novel star]

like during cds at some point

[wide shuttle]

Right, that makes sense

[west crown]

Pooling and maintaining bleeds to keep up energy regen

[lean nimbus]

Oh wow. So if I'm reading this right, I should hold off on another envenom until the last has 1 second left?

[novel star]

yes

energy income is low so you have a limited total amount of envenoms you could cast regardless

waiting for pandemic on the buff just gives the cast more value

than it would otherwise have

[lean nimbus]

Yes. I've had lots of situations where I spam envenom when I can and run out of energy quick.

[novel star]

you only mash in cds

[lean nimbus]

So, follow-up question: Does that mean I'll have downtime in my rotation?

[novel star]

yep

sin is a low apm spec

[lean nimbus]

holy smokes

[midnight atlas]

yeah you get max apm during DM + KB windows and then you just cruise

[lean nimbus]

this is gonna change a lot

[novel star]

mhm

[limber lion]

!design

[lean nimbus]

thank you all.

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

thats like the biggest thing people struggle with when asking for help in here tbh

[west crown]

I wonder if this will be the case with twist the knife

[midnight atlas]

gives you no excuses to die, you have all the time in the world to do mechanics and dodge shit

[limber lion]

No

[novel star]

afaik twist wont change how you pool really

it just makes your burst stronger than it already is

cause youre gonna mash there regardless

[royal lantern]

watch me

[west crown]

So maybe mash to 2 stacks and then maintain?

[lean nimbus]

Hokay. So I'll just keep envenom up and then hold off on more casts until 1 sec left. That should save on energy bigtime. Thanks again for your help, gang.

[novel star]

no just youll play the same

but your burst will be buffed

[limber lion]

Well once you can overlap them, sending everything all the time is fine

[novel star]

because when you want to mash anyway youre less punished for mashing

[limber lion]

But the downtime is just longer after a while

[novel star]

it wont make you mash outside of cds

just buff mashing in them

[limber lion]

Instead of 0.5-2s downtime here and there, you'll have longer periods of downtime

[novel star]

and i guess buff needing to stay under 50% energy for sanguine DS

[limber lion]

But smashing or not doesn't make a difference

[novel star]

but like

smol

[limber lion]

I doubt TtK will be that great

But who knows

[fickle girder]

This trinket shares the effect with others, not like, split the value right?

[agile wedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[clear nexus]

have you guys crafted anything with ur sparks

[vocal cradle]

does our stat priority change for dungeons?

[young dust]

a little more mastery than crit i believe, but its not a huge difference

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[young dust]

no reason not to wait for vault

[clear nexus]

thanks, forgot about that

[indigo ginkgo]

is wax buuged in raid ?

[wide shuttle]

Okay follow up thistle tea question do you hold for next 2 min to dump all your teas or do you just do it on your next kb

[novel star]

wax is bugged everywhere

[novel star]

you press tea for energy

if you need energy to keep mashing envenom you tea

[limber lion]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[limber lion]

wtf

[novel star]

yeh

[indigo ginkgo]

thanksa , was noticing there was no dam,dage on details o raid , omg

[clear nexus]

!sanguineblades

[fickle girder]

in dungeons you shouldn't care about garrote's damage, but more about how to best use to for iron wire

[tired gull]

more dam go brr

[topaz pebble]

we are still using Bubbling wax and whetstone correct?

[fickle girder]

wax bugged

whestone expensive af

mana oil is king

[novel star]

^

damage difference between oil and whetstones is very minimal and price difference is pretty huge

[topaz pebble]

Sorry whats the name of the oil "mana oil" ?

[novel star]

Algari Mana Oil

[fickle girder]

Algari Mana Oil

[novel star]

beat u

[fickle girder]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[topaz pebble]

Ok so wax and mana oil got it thank you

[tired gull]

Algari Man Oil

[fickle girder]

Wax is actually bugged tho

[novel star]

ideally just dont use wax yeah

[topaz pebble]

oh so double mana oil?

[novel star]

it should be wax and mana oil but wax is super bugged

yeah

[topaz pebble]

kk

[dense cloud]

delve is good to me

[fickle girder]

fat

Got the same one, so good

[quick echo]

3 characters running delves every day. Both casters got 1h/oh. Rogue hasnt seen a single wep kekw

[fickle girder]

my DK friend got some 2h with some crazy dmg proc on it

[clear nexus]

did 4 delves today, it was horrible

[gray briar]

this wowhead guid tells that Echoing Reprimand is bugged with deathstalker, thats outdayed right?

[novel star]

yes

[fickle girder]

Just fixed

[gray briar]

thx

[novel star]

we take resounding now

because it works

[clear nexus]

remember reverberation in shadowlands

when you just oneshot people in wpvp

and master assassin

[novel star]

no because i didnt play this garbage fucking ability in shadowlands

i played sepsis

[clear nexus]

i went sepsis later on too

but first week

bam bam thank you mam

[novel star]

i literally read ER one time in sl

and instantly hated it

and never stopped hating it

[fickle girder]

Did sepsis too... Felt like I missed out on enraging people with ER one shots tho

[novel star]

i didnt really pick sepsis for sepsis

i just wanted to be night fae

furry + prettiest zone

[clear nexus]

i like bastion

but revendreth banger

[novel star]

revendreth was kinda sleep imo

🛏️

i liked sanguine depths tho

but the zone itself is 🛏️

[fickle girder]

Best zone tho?

||The maw||

[gray briar]

what are your thoughts on the upcoming classchanges for assa?
so far, i dont see much difference for deathstalker classic hybrid build in m+, right?

[fickle girder]

There are some notes about them in the pins

[whole sand]

i've been removing and reapplying it after every attempt and it seems to be working, but i honestly awsn't checking ever single pull

[novel star]

Aint

best is easily ardenweald

[fickle girder]

I forgot the /s I guess

Bro how is ONE whetstone 6.5k gold

[hushed elbow]

right lmao

f dat

anyone know if sac is still simming above spyglass with the nerf?

[royal lantern]

well, my reason was "at SL launch it didnt matter what rogue picks, and soulshape is the coolest generic covenant ability"

[novel star]

yeh

that too

[royal lantern]

was kinda funny tbh

"yeha, they all suck, just take what you want"

[novel star]

but also for me like

ER cringe revendreth boring

other zone i even forgot the name of its so mid

and ardenweald is just god tier

[limber lion]

Maldraxxus lol

[novel star]

yeah

[royal lantern]

because for some godforsaken reason the recipee is only learned when you put minimum 30points into profession consumables in blacksmith, and 90points to actually make r3 whetstones

and you need a Nullstone for a single whetstone lol

[novel star]

man shadowlands kinda fucking ruled huh

like the systems were bad

[lament stump]

fuck shadowlands

[novel star]

but insane art

[lament stump]

i want that fucking moth mount

but i do NOT want to get max rep in ardeanweld

[fickle girder]

They'll surely change something about it... Like how they added the shards crush for enchanters

[limber lion]

I liked SL but it was mainly due to personal achievements and whatever probably, instead of the game itself

[lament stump]

i want that fucking moth mount im so salty i will never like shadowlands

[novel star]

im kinda mad i played sl on eu and made a fresh na account in df

had some cool stuff on there

mail muncher

[royal lantern]

well, they announced that you will make 4 instead of 1 on next reset

but its still a frking nullstone for Ironclaw Whetstones (and they dont use IRONCLAW ORE btw )

[fickle girder]

Oh.

[royal lantern]

i like that so much

ironclaw ore exists

ironclaw whetstone doesnt use it

[fickle girder]

Someone at Blizzard be like

[hot pasture]

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/sanguino/mayb trying to improve

[fleet pagoda]

practice your opener. study it, practice it, forget the rest for a bit. get the muscle memory down for it

[hollow blade]

what 619 did y'all craft?

[limber lion]

cool stuff =/= mail muncher

[hot pasture]

its so hard to keep the rupture i mean sometimes i cant really decide if use as finisher rupture or envenom

[fleet pagoda]

don't let bleeds fall off

[hollow blade]

or should i just recraft my 606 to 619

[fleet pagoda]

it's okay to let envenom fall off if you have no energy, don't let bleeds fall off

[hollow blade]

this is my gear

[hot pasture]

alright ill do this

[gilded jewel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[fleet pagoda]

gain some mastery of the opener rotation and kb window priorities/rotation, spend a lot of time on those. once you get comfortable with them work on the in-between CD's priority stuff, chaining envenoms/resource management.

[fleet pagoda]

yeah you'll get it man. i'm a believer.

[deep wave]

man i found the cleanest WA package

but it has no pandemic window timings 💔

[onyx rock]

Do your own WAs ?!

[normal mist]

Nani

Imagine having WAs with pandemic timer smh my head

[deep wave]

its not that important?

[normal mist]

It might

I don't have them xD

I just reapply when I see the timer go under 4/5 seconds and call it a day

Envenom I reapply when it's below 2 seconds

[deep wave]

ive been using pandemic WA for so long i cant even remember to do that

if i dont ave a big glowing icon

telling me to basically press this now

[normal mist]

@slate crown how easy is it to add pandemic timers to a WA package?

[slate crown]

For most intents and purposes, easy

Add Condition

[runic hinge]

do i take shrouded with imp garrote with FB in raid

[slate crown]

When Duration > whatever threshold

[runic hinge]

someone quick

[normal mist]

@deep wave it's your time to learn

[slate crown]

glow enable

[runic hinge]

over dashing

[slate crown]

Pretty sure they were margin of error

[normal mist]

Sorry tony I'm a DS guy with no garrote talents

[runic hinge]

okay I'll stay dashing

I had to go to a funeral today before raid so I'm a little drunk so im playing FB

[normal mist]

All good man, you feeling alright?

[runic hinge]

no lol but I made it to raid

[normal mist]

You got this man, stay safe

[primal scarab]

which emblishment is best for m+

[normal mist]

Thanks for your time, hopefully Cope can make it happen

[proven current]

whats best m+ spec?

[runic hinge]

89 first boss parse, 90 second boss, so we're doing alright

[normal mist]

M+ isn't out yet. Double CRIT seems fine

[twilit lagoon]

This is a stupid question, but for DN max CP literally means 7/7, right?

[primal scarab]

what is it called im using blessed grip atm

[ripe carbon]

dawnthread

[normal mist]

Or echoing reprimand blue combo points yes

[strange trail]

I have a question about playing Deathstalker: should I wait for the Envenom buff to reapply it along with consuming the Death Mark stack, or should I play to consume the Death Mark stack faster and ignore reapplying the Envenom buff at the last second?

[normal mist]

Get your mark up asap

[twilit lagoon]

ok, that's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just, like, actually 5 or 6 or whatever it would be without the CP talents.

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[normal mist]

Without mark on the target, your hero talents ain't working

[prisma monolith]

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[normal mist]

Yeah max = whatever the max amount of CP you have. We play with 7cp builds

[strange trail]

So we ignore all the energy-saving mechanics and reapply at the last second, and we play for the death mark and burn energy ?

[novel star]

muncher is cool

:(

[urban moat]

Hello, i'm lf heroic raid assassination rogue pov streams, is there anyone you recommend ? Possibly someone with the ability tracker addon ?

[normal mist]

We burn energy during CDs, but if you consume the 3rd DS mark, you also ain't activating some of the hero talents that require the target to have a mark

[limber lion]

just a red snake

[normal mist]

Tldr: Proc DN asap

[novel star]

mark isnt prio over bleed maintenance tho rite

so sometimes its just unlucky

v-v

[normal mist]

I'll be honest, sometimes I struggle with that question

[novel star]

i feel like it surely isnt

cause energy

[normal mist]

I do believe bleeds are prio

[novel star]

and SBS helps get it up faster too

hitting envenom -> have fuck all energy -> slowly build back to rupture

hit rupture at 5 -> have good energy and 3cp

hunt them down does a lot of damage but

prolly not enough to kill ur normal rotation over

[normal mist]

Wait what am I doing awake. It's almost 1 AM I need to go to sleep

[haughty flicker]

playing sin for the first time since the bugfixes

i like ds with er ngl

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-13392138837084579216

[novel star]

ye its rly quite fun now

[slate crown]

Go to sleep

[normal mist]

Yes ma'am, gotta be at work at 8am

[balmy condor]

believed wrong

[novel star]

@balmy condor wHISPYRRRRRRRRR

[normal mist]

Aaaaaaahhhhh

[novel star]

oop

he here already

[vagrant plover]

Same rip

[balmy condor]

all the rupture lines have !buff.darkest_night.up

[normal mist]

#assassination message at least I didn't said I was sure. Which means I was looking for room to improve on the matter hehe

[novel star]

ig the rupture takes a stack so its not rly about the passive

true true

[normal mist]

Now I can objectively say: Consume DN asap, prio over everything. Source? whispyr.

[boreal bobcat]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[whole sand]

yall need to flip coins and chill

[wooden flare]

is there a damage difference between reapplying rupture as soon as it enters pandemic, and right before it falls off entirely?

[balmy condor]

blindly listening to me smh

[balmy condor]

no

[limber lion]

You build cp with garrotes anyways

so you get the bleed and energy from them anyways

but 🥜 Envenom > Rupture

[hybrid furnace]

!talents

[novel star]

pandemic is just a qol feature

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[normal mist]

If there's someone who knows more than me, that's gotta be you.
I'm not a leader I'm a follower. A happy one!

[haughty flicker]

the only opinion i have is whispyrs

do you think anyones going to invite my 566 rogue to normal

[balmy condor]

gotta start dropping bowling ball tier lists

[normal mist]

I wonder why you haven't already

[haughty flicker]

it would go so hard if you randomly dropped a bowling tier list on your channel

with no explanation

[normal mist]

And it would be far more accurate than the spec tier lists

[real solar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

Is there even such a thing as an objective tier list?

It's all subjective mumbo jumbo

[sour oasis]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[haughty flicker]

well except when its my opinions

then its fact

[normal mist]

XD

[sour oasis]

hmmm

we need a minimun of haste no ?

[normal mist]

Bro

[balmy condor]

hmmm

[normal mist]

You just did the command

[haughty flicker]

classic yellow name

[sour oasis]

i did yes but my sim

is opposite

[limber lion]

link

[normal mist]

Of what?

[sour oasis]

put an item with haste

better than crit/mastery

[normal mist]

Yeah I mean

[limber lion]

lol.

[sour oasis]

Can u stop be so arrogant Ceverion ?

[limber lion]

What, I just said lol nothing else

[novel star]

What colour do u want to be smacked in the skull with the most

[runic hinge]

@normal mist i hit 6 flips twice on rashan and didn't hit 7 im done with FB forever

[limber lion]

Why Am I getting shit on

[runic hinge]

rasha'nan

[normal mist]

In no place we say mastery crit are bis

[sour oasis]

ok missunderstanding from me

[limber lion]

It's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

[normal mist]

The more we have from 1 stat, the more the other are valued

[sour oasis]

on the wowhead guid

[novel star]

your sim didn't put haste because its trying to hit a minimum, stats are just all very close together and all of them are good

value of each depending on the rest of the build

[sour oasis]

Ok thank you guys

[novel star]

[normal mist]

Sin is hard to explain to "outsiders"

What stat do we want?
Yes.

[runic hinge]

we want agility

[normal mist]

Yeah gimme ilvl

[haughty flicker]

i want ilvl

pls help

[limber lion]

We just want it all

[normal mist]

FB bad

[runic hinge]

it make me cri

[upper wraith]

my opener for single target isnt landing on my charged combo point

[runic hinge]

I just didn't wanna think about marks tbh but I can't stand not hitting capstone even if it's like 1%

[boreal bobcat]

do we have a weak aura for clear the witness? Im using Whispyrs Edit

[novel star]

whispys tracks it

it wont show if you have vicious venoms talented

[normal mist]

Mutilate

[novel star]

because vv mutilate takes prio over ctw and you just ignore it entirely

[boreal bobcat]

ahh makes sense tyty and Vicious Venoms is the preferred single target right now anyway right?

[novel star]

all the st builds are mega close atm

[upper wraith]

if I mutilate then im over on points? im confused

[novel star]

check pins for sims

[woven torrent]

if rapid injection and rapture run out at the same time what am i pressing first

[normal mist]

You want either 5+ or blue

[boreal bobcat]

❤️

[limber lion]

Rupture >

[novel star]

rup

[limber lion]

Rapid Injection doesn't matter

[upper wraith]

ohhhh so as long as im on blue or 5+ then im good?

[novel star]

bleed uptime = energy = more casts = yummy!!!

[limber lion]

You never let Rupture drop

[deep wave]

anyone else wishes deathstalker mark wasnt so shit to apply to a different target mid-fight?

[novel star]

and rapid injection is kinda balls you just take it because its better than anything else

[normal mist]

That's exactly it. It's just to ensure that your envenom buff lasts long enough until you can envenom again

[novel star]

play the vicious venoms build and hold your vanish->ambush forever

[vivid crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[normal mist]

So you can go in KB window with envenom buff up

[real granite]

yeah, just plan ahead of a change of target

its a pain in the ass

[woven torrent]

@novel star even with improved garrot? some builds take both no?

[limber lion]

No

[novel star]

well with improved garrote you press vanish for deathmark

[limber lion]

With IG you send vanish

[vagrant plover]

Is there any point to vanish in St without improved garrote anymore

[normal mist]

Idk if you noticed but we tried to help you with your WA problem above

[upper wraith]

wow that actually helped. something clicked in my tiny brain

[deep wave]

i did, actually fixed it with the ercommandations wasnt ard

hard

[normal mist]

We love when stuff starts clicking

[limber lion]

To apply DSM as AS

[real granite]

this make me think, how much could we hold DN application to a target switch?

[novel star]

technically it would be 0.7%ish better damage to ambush to reapply dsm for an extra stack but right now it's bugged so it does nothing and you can hold it forever

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

If you have DN, you want to use it

[deep wave]

this is as clean as it gets without becoming minimalistic

[real granite]

i dont want to apply mark to the boss if im switching target in the next few seconds

[limber lion]

If you use it on your main target and it dies right away, you just get it back right afetr

[normal mist]

Important: are you using the resounding clarity talent. (Aka 3 blue cp?)

[normal mist]

Awesome. Lisonna is amazing

[upper wraith]

for ST? I dont currently have it talented no.

[novel star]

probably just depends how important the mob dying is

[normal mist]

Do it.

[limber lion]

For everything

[novel star]

either way same amount of mark procs / total damage right

[real granite]

lets say its focus or wipe situation

[upper wraith]

Do you have a link the reccomended st build?

[normal mist]

The ER / Deathstalker interactions are fixed

Wowhead.com

[novel star]

then yeah you can prolly hold it a little to nuke

[balmy condor]

@novel star

[novel star]

but you can also just hold vanish to nuke

[balmy condor]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[novel star]

so

ah

[balmy condor]

For the future

[upper wraith]

well crap. I didnt realize I had the old one

[novel star]

k i didnt know there was a vanish command

will spam in future LOL yeh

[mild dove]

anyone else getting warning that notters tracker is throwing too many lua errors?

[normal mist]

I'm enjoying the DS ST VV no improved garrote

[balmy condor]

I’m updating constantly

[balmy condor]

It’s new

[novel star]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

It’s not updated I think

[upper wraith]

wow! I cannot believe I didnt see that LOL

Thanks all

[novel star]

same

[mild dove]

anyone made TWW fork yet?

[limber lion]

It's useless

Every pack has a KB wa

[normal mist]

Legit having vanish "free" (currently) is cool

[limber lion]

Just use those

[balmy condor]

The timings don’t exist anymore to need a kb standalone

[novel star]

im kinda glad i dodged that overtuned kingsbane dogshit by not playing sin in dragonflight

sounds so cringe from what ive heard in here

[normal mist]

I still enjoyed pressing sepsis in S2

[limber lion]

Me too

[balmy condor]

Have to time tea and vanish for the mastery/crit buff and then praying your last 2 ticks crit

[novel star]

jesus

all in

[limber lion]

And shapshot with Dance + Nightstalker

:-)

[balmy condor]

That was kinda fine cause it was macro’d

[novel star]

shadow dance was cringe too tbh

[balmy condor]

But yeah conceptually awful

[limber lion]

yuk

[novel star]

dont fw that button

[normal mist]

We were playing Fatebound before it was announced

Either you win hard or you ... Just win

[limber lion]

We have been the entire DF expansion

[normal mist]

Yep

[limber lion]

Everything in the game is 1 RPM

[novel star]

i was all in on havoc for df

[limber lion]

Fucking cringe shit

[novel star]

that glaive tierset was fucking sick

[normal mist]

Removing vanish from KB was such a relief

I didn't enjoy it

Fishing for those crits

[limber lion]

Nothing better than Legion MA

[normal mist]

5 seconds

100%

BRRRRRR

[brave stump]

Yo royal

[normal mist]

Yas

[brave stump]

How is this sleeping Part working out so far

[normal mist]

FUCK

[balmy condor]

Royal is taking notes from me

[normal mist]

Actually I got answers in the meantime

[brave stump]

2 am rogue discord chillings

[normal mist]

Which will help tomorrow probably

[woven torrent]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[limber lion]

alright sleepy time for me too

3am, work at 10

[normal mist]

Being well informed is such a weapon

[normal mist]

Have a good one Cev, nn

[limber lion]

u2 gngn

[brave stump]

Just hekili it up for Rotation

[woven torrent]

man sorry this part just doesnt want to go in my brain this is only without improved garrot right ??

[brave stump]

Its easy

[limber lion]

We do not use Vanish with KB at all whatsoever

[normal mist]

That was a dragon flight shenanigan

[limber lion]

It's used solely for Improved Garrote applications or to apply Deathstalker's Mark

[normal mist]

We don't do that anymore

[woven torrent]

but it made sense with the ambush thing.. but the garrot stuff hasnt been touched at all and thats still extra dmg in the burst window ? my head is steaming

[limber lion]

And with Double Jeopardy for FB, but that kinda goes hand in hand with IG

[limber lion]

Huh?'

We used Vanish previously with Kingsbane because we played Master Assassin

[boreal bobcat]

We will use it though if we put a point into imp garrote right? Vanish > Ambush > Garrote ?

[limber lion]

So KB would crit more

[normal mist]

If you don't play garrote talents you don't need to vanish for garrote don't worry

[limber lion]

Read the other comments

[woven torrent]

and if i do? it stays the same as in the guide ?

[limber lion]

You just vanish* to reapply IG...

Vanish rather

[normal mist]

If you do, you can vanish around 6seconds before your first garrote finishes, and garrote to extend there

[limber lion]

It's not tied to KB duration whatsoever

[boreal bobcat]

Ive been lining up vanish > IG > Deathmark cause it duplicates the improve if I read that right?

[normal mist]

Yes

That's correct

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter if you do it before or after DM

[normal mist]

At 2min mark we usually delay DM for vanish

[limber lion]

Deathmark dynamically copies the Gar/Rup that are on the target

[boreal bobcat]

Oh so it will recopy the IG if I go DM > Vanish IG

[limber lion]

On the opener you would not use Vanish

Yes

[normal mist]

And yeah as Cev is saying, doesn't matter if before or after DM. I'm used to apply before and THEN DM

[limber lion]

It just mirrors it entirely all the time

And its state

[boreal bobcat]

Thats kind of cool and unexpected of Blizzard spaghetti code

[limber lion]

Improved, not improved, enhanced, hasted, whatever

Well previously DM used to only copy whatever bleeds were on the target at the time of application

But it was changed as per requests

[boreal bobcat]

Ok ok go to bed Cev Im done tagging you I love you

Gn

[limber lion]

Gngn

[normal mist]

1am Ravenholdt love

[limber lion]

3am

[normal mist]

But you're from the future

[limber lion]

[novel star]

8pm is the only real time right now

sorry buddy

[normal mist]

Muricans

[novel star]

canadian

[normal mist]

Canudians

[heavy sentinel]

have they fixed ER yet or is still better to just grab the extra lethality?

[novel star]

pins

(yes)

[normal mist]

THEY DID

LETS GOOOOO

[novel star]

[normal mist]

DS Best hero talent

[heavy sentinel]

ty ty i always forget to check pins

[normal mist]

Me too

[green python]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[heavy sentinel]

dont accidentally craft intellect dagger

i def did not

i promise

[normal mist]

Wouldn't be the first right

[green python]

lmao

[normal mist]

Right??

[green python]

that is sad

[heavy sentinel]

bro i ran a sim and raidbots yelled at me

i was like what happened

and then cried

[normal mist]

It's fine you'll eventually be swimming in sparks

[sour root]

is there a reason not to craft boots with the second embellishment?

[normal mist]

No

You can craft

I did

[sour root]

makes more sense if you skilled into boots and waist

[heavy sentinel]

i ended up getting both regicide and blood-kissed tho so...yay?

[normal mist]

That's what I did @sour root

[sour root]

thx for the reply

[normal mist]

In theory it doesn't matter

Wrists are a good slot because they are the weakest slot in the game stat wise, and a craft can't reach mythic ilvl

So wrists > belt/boots

But since I dropped wrists early

I just did the obvious

[haughty flicker]

go to sleep

[sour root]

ok makes sense, its about gearing strategy rather than dps

[normal mist]

Yeah pretty much, don't worry too much about that. We need at least 4 main slots for tier and the rest is whatever

[normal mist]

Aight sleep time
Good luck my friends

(now I go to wow general)

[novel star]

lucky ass..

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[woven torrent]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[viscid rune]

What kind of embelishments we using for raid?

[vocal cradle]

what would be the closet sim scenario to the broodtwister fight, hectic add cleave?

[deep wave]

are embelishments expensive/hard to come by

or should i drop some everytime i dont have them

[balmy condor]

Kinda yeah

I’d take any aoe sim like that with a big grain of salt though

[onyx linden]

Kiss of death not sharing cd with other on use make it worthwhile or nah?

2.5min cd sucks

You can pop ascendancy serum and kiss of death at the same for a huge opener

[clever socket]

hi, am back to wow. I vaguely remember being able to prolong my flasks by 2x just by having alchemy. Does this work in tww too ?

[vocal cradle]

word, just trying to figure out which of my trinkets will suit me best on that kind of fight

[spice surge]

yes

[haughty flicker]

my only character to get loot from world boss was my rogue just now

its a sign

[spice surge]

Ye 2.5 kinda sucks, but its probably ok on certain fight lengths

[onyx linden]

Its just the only on use that doesn't share cd with other on use too

[spice surge]

But it didnt show up as being that good in simc unless specific fight lengths

[onyx linden]

so you can stack your deathmark

[spice surge]

But its also very likely to be fixed

[onyx linden]

hm yeah

does simc have the stacking in it?

not sure

[tranquil ruin]

how come sometimes i use echoing reprimand and it goes away after 1 use am i going insane

[vocal cradle]

@balmy condor by the way, the build you have on warcraft logs for your kill on that fight, that the build you'd suggest?

[spice surge]

Yes

[onyx linden]

ah alright

[spice surge]

Its also a 30s buff

So its relatively weak for an on-use

But like, if you really need burst its gonna be good

[viscid rune]

dawnthread lining still the embelishment we using?

[fluid smelt]

did they finally fix DN with ER?

[runic hinge]

YES

[fluid smelt]

Glorious day

[real solar]

is ambush not applying deathstalker

havent checked discord in a few days

[clever socket]

thanks, do i just grab alchemy, or do i need something specific ?

[real solar]

doing heroic right now and this shit isnt applying on my first ambush

[spice surge]

You need to use your knowledge point and select those "talents" in alchemy

[balmy condor]

I have no fucking clue honestly, I tried like 6 different builds and they all did the same

[spice surge]

That increase the flask duration

[clever socket]

i see, thank you

[safe sand]

is Harvester's Edict busted? Been hitting a dummy for 5 min and I don't see it proccing at all

[still tree]

remember seeing something about it not procing off melee hits for some reason

[safe sand]

FoK considered a ranged hit then? hehe

I can just try that

[still wharf]

breaking news: it was shiv like u said - its about 3m loss per shiv missed which is exactly where the 15m env dmg went

this w/a was incredibly helpful : https://wago.io/OtohaQlq-

[woven torrent]

How do the add fights in bloodbound get played? do i hold my vanish , for the adds ? if not i just apply manual rap's and hope my mark doesnt drop and if so im cooked?

[vocal cradle]

welp..im trying it lmao

[tired gull]

2 pc boys i'm finally going to do big dam!!!!!

[spice surge]

Spatter

And rupture targets for energy

[formal latch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[placid cipher]

Could someone take a look at my log and help me find where I can improve on Queen Ansurek

[slender shale]

Anyone have talents for council boss?

[vocal cradle]

anyone got a good trcks macro?

[reef geyser]

can someone good msg me... Im struggling to solo t8 delves as sin? Do i just gotta get good? Seems alot easier on my other classes

[still wharf]

#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover, exists] Tricks of the Trade;Tricks of the Trade

theres probably something in there u can use for "tank 1"

but idk

i like mouseovers

[vocal cradle]

what would that be lol?

[still wharf]

this lets you just hover whatever tank you need to tricks; or targets the one you already have selected if no prior

[glacial crypt]

Love to hear it, keep hitting those dummies you'll be blasting

[willow wren]

How come my quick sim uses 1 tea in 2 min windows and double teas the 1 min windows is it purely for the energy?

[glacial crypt]

Likely to be yes, if you're starved in CDs you'll want to fire off tea to be able to spam as much as possible during that time anyway

Have found myself doing double tea in 1 minutes but couldn't tell you if it's good decision making honestly

[oak eagle]

so we just want either one of sacblood or spyglass as our passive, right?

[glacial crypt]

If u can get both do it

One of my rogues was using both at the start of the week

You'll still blast without an active trinket

Though I prefer getting the ascension trinket because I liked having that active

At the mercy of loot gods lmao

[haughty flicker]

meanwhile

my rogue is still a rat

[oak eagle]

well i already have a sacblood and a grim batol trinket

[glacial crypt]

Then you're chilling for sure

[glacial crypt]

Yucky darkmoon

Get ya ass in some DELVESSS

[haughty flicker]

im gonna be honest

i got clapped when i entered one

i was like 564 though

580 now so should be fine

[robust nacelle]

Does anyone else use Quazii's plater profile?

[acoustic roost]

Yes

[glacial crypt]

Tbf they broke the scaling and they're shit to do now

I don't need to touch them now but after day 2 they were rough lol

[short flint]

whats the recommendation for first 2 crafting? belt/bracer?

[acoustic roost]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[glacial crypt]

Belt bracer is safe, ascension weapon+bracer is also good

[short flint]

Thanks

[robust nacelle]

How on earth do you track the bleeds? Haha

So much pops up on the nameplate

[cursive cloak]

What's considered a good kingsbane window in and outside of deathmark, total damage wise? Just so I have something to aim for bc currently I have no idea if I am optimising my KB window well at all. sorry if this has been answered 349834 times

[robust nacelle]

I feel like tracking the essentials is near impossible

[robust nacelle]

Like, I can see them but in aoe good luck to me lol

[vocal cradle]

at how many mobs should i fan over mutilate?

[glacial crypt]

Don't focus on the number but rather how you're playing your kb windows - logs you can check for numbers but they'll definitely vary

[severe sparrow]

am i supposed to have brann as healer or dps for solo delves?

[glacial crypt]

Depends on if you're struggling to survive or not

Having him as healer is safer for solo

And you can tricks him

[cursive cloak]

gotcha, thanks

[severe sparrow]

i keep stealing aggro straight back from him lol

[glacial crypt]

The amount of times I've just afkd after he's gotten agro just so I can regen 😭

[carmine mirage]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ashen rover]

Try Whispyr plater, it's quazzi's one but tweaked for sin

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[nocturne quail]

there was a post in the disc talking about how we pool/chain in 11.0. Does anyone know where that went? i thought it was in faq, and i dont see the same info in wowhead guide

[glacial crypt]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[nocturne quail]

thanks man

[glacial crypt]

It's much easier this patch imo, doesn't feel terrible to afk to press envenom

[buoyant mauve]

can I step to someone during the ansurek pull to negate the rest of the pull?

[glacial crypt]

No

You can step it but you'll still be being pulled

I've not tried cloaking, been using that on the roots like Tindal

[nocturne quail]

yup yup, but then in aoe we basically auto stay above 50% energy

[haughty flicker]

my brann is literally not attacking

wtf is going on

why has he betrayed me

[past forum]

yeah he's been really cringe lately

[glacial crypt]

Point at him back

[haughty flicker]

i thought we were gouda

then he does this

[glacial crypt]

Assert dominance

[fallow canopy]

just as an FYI don't cloak the ansurek's pull in the intermission and think you are safe

[haughty flicker]

dracthyr gonna be bis for ansurek

just jump for every knockback

[glacial crypt]

Invaluable information, thank you for your sacrifice 🙏

[haughty flicker]

pull*

[jovial adder]

Can you cloak queens suck?

[fallow canopy]

the circle underneath her

is physical dmg

so you get CHOMPED

[glacial crypt]

Omnom

[jovial adder]

thx

[fallow canopy]

fact checked this after she digested me

[ashen rover]

[fallow canopy]

idk if evasion does anything but I don't feel like figuring it out

[tired gull]

starting to feel powerful

[novel star]

felt

[tired gull]

2 pc coming in big time

[novel star]

doing first normal finally 🙃

[haughty flicker]

i need to try to gear my rogue quick so i can sneak in a normal run

monday night pugging norm is gonna be ass though

[glacial crypt]

Wouldn't even consider this honestly 😭

Boosted normal the other night and boosters didn't know what the dispell mechanic on silken court was

It was an experience

[haughty flicker]

oh tbf thats just silken court with pugs in general

i have yet to see a group actually do it properly

it just gets done accidentally/brute forced

[dim sail]

what are the m+ rogues getting for crafted gear?

[vocal cradle]

dumb ass question, but there is a talent that makes your garrote and rupture increase your engergy regen right?

[topaz pebble]

Any best crafts with your forged glad heraldry or just fill in pieces of gear you need

[thorn fjord]

Is wax working now?

[novel star]

venomous wounds yeh

its right under deadly poison at the top

[novel star]

noone with brain gaf abt norm parsing but 👁️

i dont haev brain

so i gaf

funny number

the arcanes

[tired gull]

We love a fellow pumper

[silent granite]

Hey all, question on silken court, should I be trying to keep 100% uptime of rupture and garrote on both bosses?

[tired gull]

Holy shit I had a 98 parse on normal ansurek

[arctic socket]

If you aren’t parsing

You’re doing it wrong

[tired gull]

And a 95 on heroic boss 1, I didn’t think I was capable

[arctic socket]

I have a 99 on heroic but I haven’t focused on parsing there mainly just killing it

Got 7/8 and now 20+ hours on queen I wanna kms

[tired gull]

Gz, it’ll be a bit before I see heroic ansurek

[novel star]

cookin a little so far

[arctic socket]

First boss is a bitch to parse on

[novel star]

had caustic on rashanan tho

[arctic socket]

Because people won’t feed

[novel star]

that shit did uhhh

uhhm

[arctic socket]

It cooked

[novel star]

HAHAHAHAH

[robust nacelle]

Oh damn!

I'll check it out, thank you!

[arctic socket]

Well

Time to go to sleep, wake up work and come home to my grim batol prison

[tired gull]

[arctic socket]

Coach that other rogue

[novel star]

i like the assassination rogue

[tired gull]

He was running m+ bleed spec

[ashen rover]

Disaster

[opal sigil]

they fixed the echoing reprimand to now work with deathstalker seems to be working now

[tired gull]

Yep couple days ago

Buttery smooth gameplay

[ashen rover]

Yes, it's in the pins

[opal sigil]

i was just in a mid fight and realized it

nice

feels so good

[arctic socket]

Soon it gets removed

[stuck ridge]

has any1 ever gotten the normal or heroic rare ring? wondering waht kind of % it would be

looks very insane for assa

[woven ruin]

If I wanted to get rid of SBS for most of raid, where would I go with that and Doom?

[dusty zenith]

Are you able to catalyst boots?

[tired gull]

Helm shoulders chest gloves pants

[lyric marlin]

The one from final boss? Ours went to a healer. so thats really fun.

[tired gull]

Roll or council?

[lyric marlin]

Roll

I still dont understand why a healer can roll on dps ring when I couldnt roll on an agi tank trinket when I had poop ones

[tired gull]

[autumn grotto]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

not locked in

forgot tempest even exists

normal mode is brain melting

[distant halo]

Does anyone notice sometimes their death mark just won’t reapply mid combat?

I don’t know what’s causing it, but I ambush and definitely have DM on, do normal opener and then it’s either the third or 4th mark maybe, just won’t reapply on the 7 combo points. Anyone have an idea?

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[tired gull]

Mine worked fine all night sorry

[rapid prism]

without IG. do we still vanish>ambush>garrote in DM window?

[distant halo]

I originally thought it was my own user error, maybe being pulled out of stealth or something and I maybe I didn’t notice that I didn’t apply the mark. But nope, it’s happened too many times after I’ve made sure it’s applied and sometimes it just won’t come back. I’ve feel like it happens more when swapping applications between mobs, maybe one is dying too far away from the other add and it’s not jumping but it’s also happened on ST fights too so idk

[coarse portal]

I haven't noticed it not re-applying, but I did notice when doing delves with a friend it the stacks wouldn't be consumed by 5cp+ envenoms or ruptures

[fallow canopy]

back with another deet, evasion also does not work|| (assumed it wouldn't it was a wipe so I tried)||

[runic hinge]

i perma save vanish just in case

[distant halo]

So you have noticed it too?

[runic hinge]

but im also bad and i was drunk for raid

uhhhhhh

no

[distant halo]

So not accurate data 😛

[runic hinge]

no

I am an unreliable witnesss

[distant halo]

hahaha

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

all of these wcl posts are makin me moist

but dobby is a free elf

[runic hinge]

i was drunk

actually im still drunk but

whoops

[balmy condor]

Based

[sudden phoenix]

Does caustic aoe around or in a cone infront

[balmy condor]

Aoe around target

[topaz pebble]

@runic hinge Did you take imp garrote?

[runic hinge]

tbh idk what i took

I did like 3 fights as fatebound and i didn't hit capstone so i went ds and i did not take imp garrote for any of those

[gilded oasis]

teach me your ways

[grave trail]

Are the earthen sims the updated racial?

[runic hinge]

drink 6 beers before raid, and forget to press shiv before kb 9/10 pulls

also insta die on princess

[gilded oasis]

and you still beat me smh

[runic hinge]

normal logs

[shy pecan]

Don't think, just drink and push buttons, do tons of damage, ez game

[gilded oasis]

[vale lantern]

when the raid lead says dont brez you when die p1 of rasha'nan 😦

[runic hinge]

half the add fights forget to take caustic

[gilded oasis]

ok im clearly trying too har

also negativer fps with 27 people in tain

raid

[haughty flicker]

not thinking is bis

[topaz pebble]

@vale lantern you death stalker?

[vale lantern]

yes sir

should i not be?

[topaz pebble]

Im garrote?

no just curious

[vale lantern]

nah

[topaz pebble]

you take splatter some fights?

[vale lantern]

all fights except 2 i think i take splatter

[vale lantern]

and even then i took splatter on princess on accident

[novel star]

ok (ok)

hc tmrw

[vale lantern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/72206530 @topaz pebble if you want to investigate i dont mind this is my profile

[crimson jackal]

Is outlaw pulling ahead of assass now?

[rose sun]

do we Fan on single target if we get a proc of CTW?

[novel star]

only without vicious venoms talented

if you have VV mutilate takes prio and u ignore ctw

[rose sun]

ty

[night summit]

how good is heliki for assassation

the addon

[novel star]

not good

dont use it

[night summit]

😮 really

[slate crown]

really

[wooden flare]

wouldn't think it's good for any spec

[novel star]

for some it's okay

just doesnt fit sin at all

[night summit]

is there diminishing return for mastery

[twilit lagoon]

The first soft cap is at like 21000 or something

[uneven plume]

we still running imp poisens on H quuen?

or can we swap to imp garrote

just lookin at Wowhead talents Queen has imp poisens talented

[balmy condor]

I’m suggesting imp gar on queen for the burst for shield/pull because it’s very movement heavy

But it shouldn’t make a difference in general

[uneven plume]

so basically the same talents

as court

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[uneven plume]

kk thx

[novel star]

running vv still for ambush saves because im a dog

[runic hinge]

we had 29 LOL it was wild, i couldn't see shit

[gilded oasis]

Yeah I hate it. "what did I die to?" Idk there were 7 millions bodies I coudlnt se through

[rose sun]

are we to run resounding clarity in raid?

[runic hinge]

yeah and im kinda drunk and im like "well my big wigs didn't hit me with the 'you have a mechanic' so it wasnt me"

[quaint spindle]

is rogue just shit for delves or am i trash

[agile kestrel]

it's shit anytime stuff dies too fast

[cobalt sphinx]

its pretty shit yeah

[runic hinge]

tricks bran and maybe wait for cds for most packs

it's not you rogue is rough

[gilded oasis]

yeah tickle Bran

[agile kestrel]

laughs in dwarf

[balmy condor]

Yes

[rotund oak]

whispyr literally has specific builts for each fight on his guide on wowhead,u can check that and just replace the 2nd lethality point for resounding clarity

everywhere(assuming u are playing deathstalker)

[haughty flicker]

this week ive raided on hunter, warlock, and now rogue

and i think ive come to the conclusion

that im ass at anything that isnt rogue

unlucky

[topaz pebble]

oh damn ty

[balmy condor]

They’re already updated with resounding

[rotund oak]

havent checked them today babe but ty for everything ❤️

[haughty flicker]

deathstalker with rc is actually really fun im ngl

[rotund oak]

yup yup

love it

and it pumps in dungeons

btw dont try to farm the radiant power formula from priory to the sacred flame

its brainrot

and soulcrushing

[haughty flicker]

lmao

am i right in thinking the vanish>ambush thing in opener is bugged and not to do it

i havent been paying much attention to how to actually play ive just been memeing

but i thought i saw that

[rotund oak]

we dont rly have to vanish now for mark

there is a natural flow with the mark

not that we wont if for some reason we dont have a mark,we are forced to but even in grim batol u can trigger DN and just press max envenom on the dragon

its very simple

[runic hinge]

i kinda love the "i don't need to ambush for damage and can save it if i fuck up my mark build"

[rotund oak]

i dont think all that much now,vanishing for my bleeds

full send the pain

[spice spire]

What’s dn

[rotund oak]

darkest night babe

[spice spire]

Nice

[rotund oak]

science btw

[novel star]

fuckin nerd

[rotund oak]

dogfathers unite ✊

[spice spire]

Love my guy so much

Set desk up by his bed and he’s so happy

[rotund oak]

irrelevant but im buying a corgi

its done,cant ignore the fluffy butt anymore

[spice spire]

[storm heron]

Is this a massive bait or what all trinkets are 606item lvl 5 min patchwerk?

[round nexus]

I tried that on the boss in mines +8 yesterday, he instantly despawns

[runic hinge]

idk i don't solo delves because im a scared kitty

[spice spire]

Damn

[past forum]

i think you gotta get into combat first, let brann get into combat, and THEN tricks

[runic hinge]

i let my ret pally friend solo them for me

LOL

[spice spire]

I’m one key remaining.
Ran like 15

[round nexus]

I’ve done all +8 solo, it isn’t that hard anymore.. Brann does a fine job healing

[past forum]

anything else and it seems to at best not work and at worst completely bug everything out

[runic hinge]

I've ran 11 and i have like 5 keys remaining but i don't solo without my delve bff

[spice spire]

I’ve mostly been grouping

Think soloing is doable

[runic hinge]

maybe

[spice spire]

Especially now that I’m appropriate ilvl

[runic hinge]

whispyr said he's playing outlaw

i broke 600 today

[spice spire]

Same 601 rn

[spice spire]

Hour long tricks