assassination

[keen spruce]

[wide shuttle]

I was killing it faster on sub at least, I have no idea how to play are sub though

Aoe*

[spice spire]

Real

[grim jay]

you could probably just hack away at them without knowing what to do

[distant plinth]

Trickster sub is basicly your st rotation

[grim jay]

and it would still work better than on sin

bcs of tricks

[hardy venture]

Oh I know. I’m bad lol

[wide shuttle]

I also found a bug to have hour tricks on sin but I'm not using it cuz of chance of ban

[hardy venture]

Derp. I forgot vanish as a fake kick.

[grim jay]

idk if it even actually works with the swap

tbf

[wide shuttle]

Doubt they would but would still rather not risk it

Felt like it was working properly when I ran it

[safe totem]

is there any addons or weakauras that can help with practicing rotation?

[grim jay]

no

except potentially the pooling practice tool

but if you for example raid

you dont pool like that with VV

[safe totem]

i tried hikili or something

[hardy venture]

Not really. Target dummies for a while. I’ve hit them for over 2 hours on Sin. Now it’s just reaction and muscle memory

[safe totem]

but it was kinda ass

[novel star]

hekili sucks yeah

just use a good weakaura and practice a lot

read the guide etc

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[grim jay]

you, sir, did the first step in the right direction

[novel star]

whispyr edit is good

[grim jay]

without even knowing it

[safe totem]

ye, im using whispyr wa

i think

[novel star]

[grim jay]

just hit the dummies for some time or keep doing content while glancing at the guide

understand your skills

take the time

[wide shuttle]

Why don't you pool with vv?

[safe totem]

I also looked at some top rogues logs on WCL and they barely clear the stacks of clear the witness

[grim jay]

you dont do that either with VV

[novel star]

you do

[royal lantern]

you tricks brann(lol, the only moment where ticks actually does ssomething and is not a ussules talent) and hope its not enemys that ignore tricks cus thats a thing

[grim jay]

I edited to "like that"

[safe totem]

whats VV?

[spring socket]

i tried this and i still get aggro

[pliant remnant]

Vicious Venoms

[safe totem]

ah

[hardy venture]

His Plater is great also especially in AoE

[safe totem]

ty

[wide shuttle]

Okay I did not realize there were ones that were immune I thought it was just tricks being buggy

[queen egret]

in a scenario where we have DN active, less than 150 energy and we are on a anima combo point and have 5 seconds left of envenom debuff, its correct to just wait until the envenom hits pandemic before we envenom again right?

[hardy venture]

It puts a yellow highlight on Ruptures that can be refreshed

[grim jay]

DN takes priority

[hardy venture]

It will also hide a fuckton of unneeded shit on the target.

[queen egret]

yeah but is there any point in rushing to active it

[grim jay]

yes like I said

it takes priority

[safe totem]

i think im using casualaddicts plater

[frosty portal]

!CRAFT

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[grim jay]

half your hero talents dont work without active marks

[queen egret]

in this case, what is it taking prioty over tho?

Im saying its active

and we are ready to activate it on a anima charge cp

[grim jay]

the marks are the part that needs to be active

[queen egret]

but just pooling a few seconds to not "waste" pandemic

[grim jay]

^

[hardy venture]

I’m not familiar, but I think whyspers gets rid of Deathmark dots that are added, bone spike, and things you really don’t need

[safe totem]

i will check it out definitely, ty, still building my UI

[queen egret]

ahh ok so the pandemic rule is out the window if DN is active

we immediately want to proc it

[wide shuttle]

Ive been using whyspers one it looks like it only shows garrote and rupture, which works for me

And turns the health bar purple for your death mark, green for your caustic splatter

[grim jay]

yes, thats also how the guide says it

in the priority

[hardy venture]

Yeah! Legit only the things we want to know. It’s perfect.
It also is showing prio targets as well within delve and dungeons

[wide shuttle]

Ya I really like it

[grim jay]

priority is basically

maintenance > getting CDs running > proccing DN > chaining envenom

[clear nexus]

delves are fucking hard

[frail escarp]

what lvl is your brann and what curios did you use on

[slate robin]

in AOE opener we apply 5 ruptures at the start right? Do we re-apply garrote or rupture if they fall off? maintaining 5 is quite tricky and I imagine would result in dps loss?

[hardy venture]

I reapply based on HP. Bonespike make it easy to do this

[sly cargo]

Spec into tricks, apply it to brann, and have him as healer.

[grim jay]

you maintain enough ruptures to max scent

[slate robin]

Thanks

[hardy venture]

Even as DPS is cool with this I’ve found for T8s

He fucking trucks as DPS

[languid gate]

We crafting already this week or still hold?

[indigo mulch]

I'm confused what to play now 😦

To many choices

[novel star]

why skardyns gotta fuck up the vibe man

[indigo mulch]

You atleast have a skardyns

[novel star]

true lol

593 skardyn simming better than 606 literally anything else i have is kinda fucked

do ur heroics!!!

[gritty rain]

when u reapply do u use vanish to be able to cast on multiple or manually?

[sinful fable]

hmm, contemplating giving outlaw a go, but doubling my apm is no bueno 😦

[indigo mulch]

Don't do it.

Think of the children.

Think of your pride as a human being.

[sinful fable]

but but but

keeping track of bleeds is annoying :

😢

[indigo mulch]

Oh

[west crown]

Bye bye fotm

[indigo mulch]

Okay go outlaw, you don't belong here.

=O

[hardy venture]

Very dependent.

[sinful fable]

Nah for real tho, I like assa, but I was playing outlaw for years previous

not sure what would be better in pure m+

[hardy venture]

If in raid/boss maybe not. Also if it’s like 3-4 adds I won’t since bonespike plus a garrote will get it done for me

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west crown]

Right now sin is ahead the other specs if you are set on m+

[novel star]

i mean you can really play literally whatever

if you mean for DS talents

like

the sims in pins are so freeing

u can jsut pick vv or sanguine based on Fun

[serene shoal]

hi sir should iturn this to tier piece since igot tier piece legs?

[junior patrol]

is there any recommendation which items should be crafted ?

[spice surge]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[junior patrol]

thx, but is this final? because in every guide there is a info to wait for crafting until proper tuning of Embellishments?

[west crown]

I’d personally save it for a higher ilvl piece of gear

[novel storm]

We dont take vv in m+? Dont see it in bleed nor hybrid suggested builds

[spice surge]

Its not

Thats why it says currently

[normal mist]

Been doing some delves, and i gotta say

Deathstalker feels fucking awesome

ER fix is just FIRE

[hardy venture]

I’m waiting for M+/when my group hits a wall

[west crown]

Same here. May even use it on my vault

[hardy venture]

I got hella lucky on a hero track pants from Delve map.

[west crown]

Praying for one my vault 616 slots to give me a piece of gear that I can use for tier

[grim jay]

its pretty safe to craft wrists tho

if you really wanna craft something

as youd wanna use them either way

unless they buff some 2set

[empty citrus]

Are we talking about cool things in here

[grim jay]

I personally only use catalyst if the charges get me 4p

[hardy venture]

I really wish we’d get a catalyst regent every week instead of 2 😕

[grim jay]

else there is always the possibility it wasnt a good choice

[hardy venture]

Like echoing getting fix baby!

[haughty lantern]

do we know what kind of build we need for ansurek?

like is it just st + spatter?

[grim jay]

warcraftlogs has your answer

[zealous wolf]

are the raid builds on wowhead still relevant or do i have to think for myself?

[shy nest]

do you press FoK on st w clear the witnesses buff up?

[grim jay]

if you dont play VV

yes

[vivid lodge]

hi all, a question, i always get much energy problems as assa. i think i have a problem with spamming and stacking abilities too much. is there a exact rule when i have to pool energy and when to use exactly the second env.= thanks in advance 🙂

[shy nest]

whats vv again?

[spice surge]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[grim jay]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[grim jay]

dang eleem

that was probably the closest thing ive ever seen

even the bot didnt cut in

[zealous wolf]

Vicious venom

[shy nest]

ah okay

[zealous wolf]

Its explained in the wowhead rotation tab for sin rogue

[novel storm]

Do we play vv in m+? Dont see it in recommended builds

[grim jay]

nop

[zealous wolf]

i dont think we do

But im not sure how builds changed after the bug fixes

[grim jay]

there is virtually no way VV will ever be a thing in m+

[pliant remnant]

Why tf would you play VV in M+

[zealous wolf]

I hope someone smarter than me posts per boss or atleast a raid build after the bugfixes 🙂

[tired gull]

any other unlucker skardyn's in here?

[eager tree]

whispyrs wowhead builds were posted assuming the ER bug got fixed right? he had that disclaimer on other builds. I used them all last night and they still felt appropriate

[low kernel]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[slate crown]

Check the most recent pin for updated commentary on builds

[zealous wolf]

I mean he says that all builds work fine

Worst thing he could have said tbh

Just decide for me ffs

🙂

[pliant remnant]

fr fr

[cloud yew]

bug. fix. consume. stack. darkest. night. active.

[pliant remnant]

I don't even take a shit without Whispyr first telling me the best clenching technique

[robust axle]

What talent combination are you guys preferring after the hotfixes on singletarget?

[shadow patio]

😂 trueee

[zealous wolf]

🙂

[eager tree]

lol

[cloud yew]

resounding. clarity. bug. fix.,

[robust axle]

I mean

The Vicious Wound vs Imp Garrote thing

[eager tree]

if only pins had info

oh wait

[novel star]

if you want the build chosen for you just do vicious venoms because it’s easier and you save your ambush for adds

gg

[cloud yew]

^

imp garrote is no fun.

[empty citrus]

While that's actually really awesome news. I have not ever learned how to use that ability anyways. I'm a PvP main and rank 1 sin dont usually use reprimand. And as far as PvE is concerned it feels like a weird hoop to jump through tbh. But maybe I should learn it

[smoky furnace]

If you're playing without imp garrote and since mark is bugged then is vanish just for transferring the mark if you don't have keystone available?

[slate crown]

There's very little to learn

you press button

then if blue

[crimson wigeon]

there was a hotfix?

[slate crown]

you cast other button

that's it

[novel star]

yes

[safe totem]

i have wonderful news

i cucked myself and forgot to loot

bosses in hc

[novel star]

even without the bug it was a very small gain to ambush in opener

[safe totem]

for my crests

[devout fiber]

Guys what are we running for Mythics/Delves?

[tired gull]

cloak removes the negative effect of ritual knife

[novel star]

now it’s zdps

[novel star]

cloak for damage

[empty citrus]

Still mid. Still not getting me hard. I'm sorry

[slate crown]

oh yeah it doesn't do it for many people

[hardy venture]

Imp garrote

[safe totem]

tragic day

[slate crown]

Don't worry

[novel star]

?

[slate crown]

is going away soon anyways

[final stratus]

Do we never use FOK for Clear the Witness anymore?

[novel star]

without vicious venoms yes

[novel storm]

If we have 2 on use trinkets, one 1 min and one 2 min cd, wencan safely macro 1min with kingsbane and 2 min with deathmark? I dont see why not, just making sure

[novel star]

yeah

[west crown]

Why wouldn’t we?

[devout fiber]

!talents

😦

[novel star]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[final stratus]

Just didn't see it anywhere on IcyVeins or Wowhead guide, maybe I'm blind tho

[novel star]

but honestly for build stuff rn

[devout fiber]

!rotation

[west crown]

I guess get your eyes checked then lol

[novel star]

that is also in the guide

wowhead guide

[devout fiber]

so if we're doing M0's just go for the hybrid build?

[novel star]

yeh

[final stratus]

Yea I notice now on wowhead I had checked Vicious Venoms.... makes sense why it wasn't listewd

[novel star]

can just play hybrid forever honestly

cleave build is like high high high keys

giga minority of players will ever need/want to play it

[haughty lantern]

does anyone know if shadowstep can be used to dodge the rings on ansurek? since it's kind of like a blink?

[zealous wolf]

Yes

I did it on normal

[haughty lantern]

ok awesome. and are the rings an insta kill or do they proc cheat death?

[zealous wolf]

On normal?

They dont do shit on normal xd

I mean they do some dmg but nothing that will proc your cd

Healers deal with it if only a few ppl stand in it

[buoyant schooner]

is it worth do craft embelishments/gear at the moment?

[haughty lantern]

oh cool, i might be over-preparing then. i am just traumatized from week 1 raszageth 🫠

[novel storm]

I mean bleed should also work till higher keys no?

[west crown]

Bleed is lower keys

Iirc

[royal lantern]

cant get a passive trinket/legs/boots

and all dungeons/delves done

😦

[crimson wigeon]

ive done every m0 and still 0 trinkets 😦

[bitter solar]

I have all (f tier) trinkets

[slate crown]

same

[bitter solar]

[naive pier]

is there any requirements for hast like minimum requirements

% wise

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[devout fiber]

For crafting

what do we use our 2 sparks on?

[hexed canopy]

!crafted

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[solar orbit]

does caustic spatter apply to envenom?

[slate crown]

Yes

[solar orbit]

weird that it says poison dmg instead of nature dmg then

[devout fiber]

Dawnthread? I am seeing Dark Sigil on the guide

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[slate crown]

The "nature" v "poison" damage discrepancy between tooltips and descriptions has always been wacky

and the actual behavior

[kind leaf]

guys, i`m new here but have you noticed that mark and echo with improved is working again?

[spice surge]

Embellishments are kinda unimportant

[kind leaf]

just noticed in raid xD

[slate crown]

Yes, pins

[devout fiber]

how so?

[kind leaf]

sorry i didn`t notice the pin 😄

[spice surge]

Because embellishments provide very little damage to begin with

So the difference is very small anyway

[devout fiber]

right, out of curiosity though

i cant seem to search Dawnthread

[spice surge]

Its right there

[bitter solar]

[devout fiber]

this is just a crafting reagent though rather than an item

[spice surge]

Well ye you buy it from the AH

And put it on your item

[devout fiber]

oh so u craft Rune-Branded Armbands and Waistband

then put the dawnthread on it?

[crimson wigeon]

yes

if rune-branded is the spark crafted wrist. forgot the names

[glossy grove]

did you use your 2nd spark yet?

[devout fiber]

yh so spend my 2 sparks on the Wrist and Belt, get the right missives and apply dawnthread on them

i haven't even used my first yet

I only Mythic/PvP

Dont raid

[glossy grove]

is a spark for feet also fine?

my belt is 610 rn

[zealous wolf]

Sim it

But probbably yes, i have 610 wrist and crafted belt boots

[devout fiber]

Do I craft boots and wrist or wrist and waists?

[modern agate]

Fellow rogues

is there a known issue with bubbling wax not showing on details, or not doing dmg?

anyone know?

[zealous wolf]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[zealous wolf]

i think its bugged, like not doing dmg

Try to search the chat, i think someone talked about it

[modern agate]

i see

seems like its not working

ty

[brazen wedge]

the queen poison ring interacts with tier set bonus ?

[random fossil]

any idea why my logs and my rl logs are slightly different, like 1-2k dps difference?

[weary shoal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[distant monolith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cerulean compass]

Does like, dagger from normal raid considered "Good" ? 🤔

Got the blood one

[spring socket]

i got 2 regicides as 2 dropped and i was the only 1 who could use em

[shy pecan]

If it's an upgrade, it's an upgrade

weapon ilvl is good

[cerulean compass]

I must go for belt and weapon to fill the other hand then 🤔

[undone drum]

Hello, i'm new to rogue and i was wondering where i could find the best rotation/opener 🙂

[shy pecan]

I mean, if you decide to craft a weapon for some reason and your normal weapon is higher ilvl, just throw the crafted weapon to the offhand. That's it.

[weary shoal]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[shy pecan]

Just don't do something like this:

[arctic crown]

Does anyone has like the perfect stats?

or how much mastery we should stack

[shy pecan]

Theere's no such thing.

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[halcyon grail]

my sim tells me verse.

so, yeah

[spring socket]

mine r mast/crit= >haste

[cerulean compass]

I'm trying Kappa

Both 593

[shy pecan]

That's fine.

[brazen wedge]

the queen poison ring interacts with tier set bonus ?

[arctic crown]

im talking about diminshing returns

like

rn i have 50% mastery

[shy pecan]

Let the sims figure that out

[devout fiber]

!stast

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[shy pecan]

Don't need to think about stat DR and try to calculate it manually.

[balmy condor]

Everything is updated except for the er stuff from yesterday

[shy pecan]

A computer simulating all your gear combinations 100,000 times and giving you the best gear set > Your few attempts on hitting dummies and getting numbers and thinking about stat DR

[strange python]

For best overall race for raid and m+ are we thinking dwarf or nelf

[normal mist]

goblin

[thorn fjord]

Er fix is live?

[normal mist]

because BiS stealth animation

YES

YES IT IS

[strange python]

Belf female is bis stealth animation

[thorn fjord]

Hallelujah

[normal mist]

AND IT FEELS GOOD

[halcyon grail]

honestly, I'm a Zandalari Troll Enjoyer, I likemy free crit.

[sullen dust]

Does sin go pew pew now?

[thorn fjord]

Fuuuuuuck yessssss

[shy pecan]

MFer doesn't read the pins...

[sullen dust]

Compared to combat? Because old and arthritis incoming

[shy pecan]

Sin is fine, yes

[thorn fjord]

I did read the pin but didn’t know if we had to wait till reset

[devout fiber]

Are we doing boots or Waist? for the 2nd one?

[spring socket]

waist i did

[strange python]

I was blasting in raid last night sin feels good

[thorn fjord]

What’s the returning bug @shy pecan

[normal mist]

whatever you need more

i dropped champion wrists, so i crafter belt and boots

[shy pecan]

With dn?

[thorn fjord]

I guess? Whatever was mentioned in the pin

[nocturne mortar]

next week we get another charge catalyst or ?

[shy pecan]

Pretty sure that’s the not using DSM stacks while dn is up

Could be wrong though

[queen egret]

Do we always double tea during out opening DM KB window?

[shy pecan]

Huh?

[ashen rover]

You use one?

[queen egret]

use one for each tea

i mean shiv

[ripe rapids]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[ashen rover]

Ah lmao

[queen egret]

to have the mastery bonus

for the last ticks too

[shy pecan]

You use it if you need the energy, yeah and during shiv.

[ashen rover]

You use tea during shiv and kb window but you don't need to use two tea

[weary shoal]

I skipped dragonflight and I am kind of confused with the crafting system what quality of mats do I need to get teh omen spark item and can I crat already the 606 one?

is it also corrrect to craft set items if I am not a raider?

[shy pecan]

You can’t craft tier sets

[daring glen]

is anyone else experiencing the bug when deathstalker's mark doesnt proc? ive been noticing it since today

[ashen rover]

It mostly depends on the crafter and the skill he has but it's easier to get better quality with higher quality mats, and you can't craft tier sets

You can use catalyst to turn an item into a set piece tho

[west crown]

I swear I am but I haven’t sat down and hit a dummy. Mid fight I’ll look at my stacks, use a 5cp finisher and it doesn’t proc

[daring glen]

i have a vod of me playing

and 5 times in a row max points combo points finisher doesnt proc one stack

[west crown]

I’m not sure if it’s related to the darkest night bug though

[silver escarp]

Hey guys, do you have a WA for tracking the mark and darkest night please?

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[daring glen]

idk i have been noticing it since they fixed echoing reprimand finishers triggering the mark

they didnt even document that they fixed it or anything

[west crown]

The pin has a bug, see if that’s what’s happening

New bug after ER fixed

[daring glen]

oh i see

but when did they even fix er

[west crown]

Yesterday undocumented hot fix

[weary shoal]

can you recommend a WA for the dungeons?

[west crown]

!wa

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[weary shoal]

i mean like dbm

dungeon affiexes and so on

[thorn fjord]

So stoked to play now.

[west crown]

Oh I haven’t gotten around to that yet. Waiting for them to actually come out

[silver escarp]

thanks, i can play better now that i have sometime that track that freaking mark

[tall rose]

Ive looked and looked, unless ive over looked it, what posions do i have on for ST, and then AOE?

[normal mist]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[pulsar apex]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[tall rose]

ty

[rotund oak]

assuming u are using weakauras addon here is the link for the seasonal WA package https://wago.io/LyVvlKxvs

[nocturne mortar]

is it okey to use this or we save it for later min maxing ?

[torpid halo]

Hello, Does anyone know if "Bubbling Wax" still only applies to one weapon?

[normal mist]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[rotund oak]

https://wago.io/twwdungeons this is for the entirety of the dungeons

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iB28qxRwsbUYC2cY9e54NE Guys we going up

[rotund oak]

u are always up in our hearts

[normal mist]

Damn

xD

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eb5WAgcUWaj31ER6YUt2GN

[fresh mulch]

Imo use to upgrade, you can't use it to craft anything afaik
The next ones though I'd save for crafting (unless u will straight go to the last tier of crests from mythic and +9 to craft/recraft your items

[thorn fjord]

Almost there... Got some upgrades coming down the pipe and we in there

[rotund oak]

nice,now all the outlaws gonna post their sin sims

[weary shoal]

@rotund oak thank you !

[jade crescent]

lmao

[thorn fjord]

Got raid again tomorrow night... Hoping for some more pieces

[rotund oak]

you are welcome friend

[thorn fjord]

EXSQUEEEZE ME?!

[normal mist]

I simmed with PI btw, because i do take it

[rotund oak]

😂

[thorn fjord]

Ran 4 M0's yesterday and got 0 loot drops lmao

[normal mist]

run delves

ez

[thorn fjord]

Im not getting it this tier 😦

[normal mist]

try simming with improved poison instead of IMP garr and dashing scoundrel instead of suffocation

[west crown]

Yes but you can still technically get it on both by using 2 and switching main hands between applications

[thorn fjord]

Im already taking Imp Pois

[normal mist]

Can you explain?

[normal mist]

oh you're not double VV

nevermind

[thorn fjord]

Let me try VV with Pois and Scoundrel

[west crown]

Bubbling says it will apply to both on tooltip but only does mainhand. You can swap your main hand and offhand to get it on both

@normal mist

[normal mist]

i have two buffs, thats what you're talking about?

[jade crescent]

Does anyone have that macro to use NE meld and stealth? I know it's wonky but 60% of the time it works every time.

[west crown]

Did they fix it?

[grand jay]

#showtooltip
/cast shadowmeld
/cast !stealth

[normal mist]

the problem was never having two applied afaik

it was it doing nothing in the OH

but idk if it was fixed or not

it wasnt working inside queued content

[thorn fjord]

@normal mist what am i dropping for DTB

[normal mist]

or something like that

oh

i simmed with caustic

[thorn fjord]

all good got it

[normal mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kV2r84Sn7BKFkmd3GgGkqe up we go again

[pulsar apex]

reading the pins... so why is WOAT simming well now? i thought it was supposed to be terrible

[tired gull]

i just broke the 900k sim

[thorn fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h1HT4CLmPSqDohsShWWq4G .3 diff

Prob play imp gar wit blades as it feels better imo

[upper wraith]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[edgy trellis]

wow the dagger craft is so expensive

[arctic socket]

you're stinky af

having spyglas

[royal python]

is there a bug where fateful ending does not trigger ? i had 13 stacks of tails but no lucky coin buff

[thorn fjord]

SMELLY AF

My other trinket blows tho

[arctic socket]

@thorn fjord do you have raidbots premium?

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[arctic socket]

can you do a sim for me

too see what mythic dungeons i need

[thorn fjord]

Yee

[radiant pine]

Yo bois i might be late to this

[arctic socket]

Snëaky - Dalaran (US) @thorn fjord

601

[thorn fjord]

Just DM me your paste

[radiant pine]

but they fixed echoing reprimand and deathstalker mark interaction

Poggies

[glacial crypt]

i started screaming earlier in splits about it

very glad

[radiant pine]

It feels insanely good

[burnt yacht]

for stat prio do we need to cap a certain amount of haste before stacking crit/mastery? on wowhead it says to go haste/mastery on the wrist/belt that we craft w sparks - tryna make sure before I put in my crafting order

[arctic socket]

Er fix might only be a like 1% damage increasement

but feels like a 10% increasement

[glacial crypt]

ngl I've legit just went full crit mastery on everything you'll still blast don't overthink it

[radiant pine]

Dude it feels like a 100% vibe increase

[tacit otter]

Is it just common that people are simming with PI now? seems weird to me

[glacial crypt]

if you get it, sim with it

if not you're just coping for no reason about the number going up lmfao

[spice surge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[burnt yacht]

ty

[glacial crypt]

how do I change my little icon mf in here frick outlaw

yes team

[pliant remnant]

frick outlaw

[nocturne flint]

with the nerfs to the ara kara trinket on Tuesday, would it still be our bis?

[west crown]

Channels and roles

[vague monolith]

Whats the verdict on embellishments? Ascendance on a dagger + armor banding somewhere?

[glacial crypt]

safe option for now, hold spark craft unless ur impatient

all of my rogues I've full sent pvp 610 dagger with ascendance + writhing on wrists

[rotund oak]

savage

[hexed frost]

Have people tried both the blindside+Zoldyk build and iron wire+scent builds in M+?

How do they both feel gameplay wise?

[rotund oak]

no one friend

its a first in here

😅

[burnt yacht]

wrist can go up to 603 right now right?

with the enchanted rune crest?

err 606

and we recraft later on?

[zealous wolf]

Can go higher if you got the heroic crests

[glacial crypt]

^^

[round nexus]

that's super waste though

[rotund oak]

not entirely

[strange python]

the urge to Race change orc for 15k dps gain

[round nexus]

always craft base, then streight to mythic

[glacial crypt]

Just go win a bg and craft pvp items

610 is big enough

[round nexus]

how does that work

[glacial crypt]

You win a bg, you get a quest "Calling all gladiators"

you hand it in, get 9 of a pvp crafting spark esq item

[burnt yacht]

dont have those, so should I just craft base and recraft later with heroic crests or just reg crests for now to 606?

[hexed frost]

Grabbed it from whispyr's posts

[fallow canopy]

1 mill sim Pog (?

[round nexus]

you can craft any slot with that?

[rotund oak]

ik friend,it was a joke 😅

[glacial crypt]

Yes

weapon costs 5 of them, wrists cost 3

you get 9 from quest

so that's just two 610 items for free

[naive crane]

Are the openers on wow still up to date even after ER changes?

[hexed frost]

Idk how playing w/o iron wire would feel

[royal python]

There is 100% a bug when shifting between specs (cold blood stops working and lucky coin doesn't proc) - you need to relog to set it right

[glacial crypt]

They were made with the non-bugged interaction in mind I believe

[rotund oak]

eh its ok,losing that silence/mitigation for some dmg

[glacial crypt]

so, yes

[rotund oak]

its pretty close,all builds

are

[zealous wolf]

Yes

[west crown]

Twist the knife has to be a must take no?

[rotund oak]

[glacial crypt]

[rotund oak]

u boys even read the man's guides

[flat kindle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[glacial crypt]

whatever whispyr says just do it

no questions asked

the boy puts in so much effort

[thorn fjord]

You boys can read?

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-were-the-millers-you-guys-are-getting-paid-will-poulter-gif-15947352

[rotund oak]

😂

jokes on them,i cant

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

Florida man speaking

[rotund oak]

[blazing jewel]

[shy pecan]

[glacial crypt]

[spice spire]

[round nexus]

never recraft with heroic base, it costs many crests that you can use for other things. Since the mythic version doesn't require heroic crests also, unlike upgrading does.

[willow wren]

Can someone explain this bit to me like I'm a crayon eater

[copper hazel]

[thorn fjord]

dont worry about it

[spice surge]

If you have darkest night up, your mark cannot go below 3

[thorn fjord]

[spice surge]

But ye dont worry about it really

Mostly a small nerf to sub

[thorn fjord]

I like imp gar SS build more personally anyway

[willow wren]

How do u even get mark while darkest night is up? vanish ambush while darkest night is up?

[rotund oak]

in sub buffs we put our hopes and trust

i believe

[thorn fjord]

@rotund oak

[burnt yacht]

ty, ill just hold off and craft w mythics since im not in a rush to get that up

[west crown]

Read it and while they say not to now he also said that they aren’t set in stone on dps so it’s possible. What I said was a guess

[cobalt sphinx]

vanish ambush was done in combat for a little bit of extra damage in simcraft

doesn't really work anymore so don't worry about it

[rotund oak]

ofc it is and dw ik what u meant

[lapis depot]

Stupid question but why do most of the streamers play sub in raid even if assa is stronger?

[vague monolith]

Fast priority damage

[spice surge]

Not sure what made you think assa is stronger

Theyre about the same really, sub prob a bit stronger on pure ST but assa better cleave/aoe

[twin raven]

normal and hc fights are short, a 5min sim not really relevant, and they prefer it I guess

[lapis depot]

Okay thanks

[spice surge]

Sub doesnt really have that strong prio damage

Assa (especially with m+ talents like scent) has significantly better funnel

[vague monolith]

What? Think if you need to break a shield in 10s or your raid wipes. Who do you want??

[spice surge]

I'd consider that to be burst

Not priority damage

[vague monolith]

Ok sorry for the confusion

[spice surge]

Priority is most often meant as "how much damage you do to a singletarget while doing aoe"

Atleast thats what im referring to

[thorn crater]

isnt that cleave?

[vague monolith]

Ok I thought it meant how much damage do you do to a priority target. NBD just semantics

[knotty canopy]

Cleave is how much dmg u do to the adds when doing st

[thorn crater]

alright

[spice surge]

But ye sub is really good at bursting, and after the anniversary patch theyre about to be even better

[thorn crater]

i think i unintentionally scammed a guy. sold a normal tier piece shoulders for 287k

won the roll and also got a BoW one so i sold the second one since i dont really play monk/evoker/warr

[arctic socket]

im sadge

how are people simming above 1m 😦

[thorn crater]

trinkets, enchants, tier sets, weapons?

[vague monolith]

race change to orc for 1.5% more damage

[arctic socket]

Maybe my 4pc would put me over 1m

i get that next week so that's nice

[arctic socket]

already the mastery race

atk powerbuff BIS

dropping signet for fayewind

feels wrong

[celest helm]

anyone know of a WA that makes an audio noise for when you land on the ER enhanced combo point? I had one way back in like SL but cant seem to find it

[woven torrent]

is there any logic behind refreshing garrot at 5 seconds left ?

[hollow blade]

!wa

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[hollow blade]

what free UI would you guys recommend to use?

[slate crown]

Someone asked for one a bit ago, I don't know of one that just does that, but WA has made baked in conditions for this now you can use. You can just take whatever combo point WA you already have, and add this to it or one of them depending on how it's set up

#pvp The spec channels are typically focused on pve, so the pvp channel may have more info for you

[trim hedge]

Hello. Quick question i wanted to ask there guys, because i couldn't find the answer on the net; what's the critical strike cap for assas?

[austere kraken]

My bad, ill ask over there, ty!

[slate crown]

What do you mean? Just in general refreshing garrote before it fades?

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[trim hedge]

tyvm

[woven torrent]

@slate crown most UI's have like a "proc" when garot and rup is at 5 seconds but i guess its just the refresh q

[slate crown]

!pd - Yes, that's because of the Pandemic mechanic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[woven torrent]

is that a talent huh

[slate crown]

That proc glow from most packages is to indicate "This dot is in pandemic range". Which means "It is safe to overwrite/clip this dot without losing damage"

[slate crown]

No, it is a baseline part of the game, for all classes

[lime crypt]

love you too sir

[woven torrent]

ah lol ty !

[eager vigil]

so should we spend harmonized silk to make a tier piece now to have 2?? or should we keep it for later?

[celest helm]

can you link me what you have?

[slate crown]

It's all personal preference, the ones in the !wa command you used are all ones popular on this server, some made by people here. If they're in that command, the server "Recommends" them. They aren't the only good ones of course. I just recommend looking at them and going with any one that works best for you, all of them have the essential information you need.

[normal mist]

i'd keep it

for atleast the first vault

[slate crown]

!wa my pack is LE below. My pack doesn't do this, FWIW, it doesn't play a sound when you hit a charged point. It does indicate it visually, just not with audio.

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[eager vigil]

k true, just 2 days

thanks

[clever topaz]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[hollow blade]

oh i meant like elvui ones

[slate crown]

I just use basic and made my own layout

It's perfectly fine to do that without going overboard with UI stuff

[hollow blade]

mind sharing?

im downloading wow now on a new pc

gonna use whispyrs WA

[regal solar]

I use your WA Lisonna, best i found so far, pleasant visually too

[slate crown]

I don't have mine published anywhere and I don't really plan to publish it

It's just what works for me

I also should state I play on a slightly odd form factor so the full UI import might not work well for everyone

This is a screenshot of the layout if you want an example, and if you search for gifs/movs in discord from me you can find records i've posted for random reasons which have my ui on it

[slate crown]

Thanks 🙂

[storm hedge]

@slate crown I guess your WA has been updated with the ER fix am I right? I just need to download a new version?

[slate crown]

Yes I updated it for the ER fix. Before I would suppress the charged points when you have DN. I've removed that so all points always show.

[distant moon]

did m+ builds change with the deathstalker fixes?

[slate crown]

Not really. Pins have some example builds

[woven torrent]

the ER fix is for November or ?

[spice surge]

No

[woven torrent]

when does it come

[bleak spoke]

is it already live

[woven torrent]

Wha

[spice surge]

Yesterday

[woven torrent]

ahh i mean the rework

[spice surge]

That comes in november yes

[upbeat gust]

sad my 22 is a blemish for my week

[woven torrent]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[woven torrent]

im a little slow what was actually the ER bug.. ? xd

[nocturne mortar]

Nexus-prinscess or Broodtwister is hard for pugs on Hc mode now ?

[upbeat gust]

Nexus is easier

[distant plinth]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[unreal fern]

!trinket

[slate crown]

Interactions with the Mark and Darkest Night did not work properly with ER.

Now they do

[gilded jewel]

Thank you for the wa pack, it is awesome

[woven torrent]

@slate crown does it mean resounding clarity is something we always take now or still depends

[slate crown]

For the most part yes, we always take resounding, but there are still options without it. Take a look at the pin, there are a bunch of ST builds that are within margin of error of each other, and a ton that are just behind those. Some of the lower ones (and by lower I mean down 0.1%) don't take resounding.

[woven torrent]

Oh didnt see the pin ty !!

[modest gale]

do we use 2x tea in cds or 1?

[slate crown]

Use tea with shiv if it won't cap your energy.

May mean 2x may mean 1x

Point is, use it with shiv if it won't cap your energy

(And use it in the opening shiv to get it on cd even though that one likely caps you)

[boreal lichen]

why is sanguine blade not taken as talent in raids ? (wowhead nerub guide) is it only "bad" for deathstaalker or bad for fatebound aswell ?

[rugged sphinx]

My 590 wrist and dagger ascension is still simming higher than 606 dagger and wrist + socket. Simbait?

[bronze flicker]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[royal python]

could someone explain how the shadowcraft refund works exactly ? i refill straight up back to full often after casting a finisher

like if i have 7 stacks of shadow technique ill auto refill, correct ?

[shy pecan]

Yes. Also guessing this was meant for #subtlety

[urban haven]

Anyone got the ppm on spelunkers waning candle? shouldnt it ought to be pretty good if its up to par with anub ikkaj trinket?

[royal python]

sorry my bad

[blissful storm]

In M+ on how many targets do we want to upkeep rupture and garrotes, in longer fight where we dont have carnage anymore we want to have rupture on up to 5 targets so we benefit fully from scent of blood stacks?

5 targets is the limit more we dont want to?

[tacit otter]

minimum 5 ruptures and garrote + rupture on main target

[blissful storm]

and what is maximum?

[tacit otter]

no reason to maintain more than this manually, when you can use ct / spatter

[blissful storm]

ok thank you

[willow cloud]

I thought the profession things in nerubar were respawn points?

[lunar oracle]

!wa

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[main blaze]

OH I was just looking at this 10m ago. Nice to know you changed it already. ❤️

[wide shuttle]

Can the shadow binding ritual knife drop at mythic ilvl or is heroic the highest it can go?

[manic matrix]

yo, this sims best for me, I use it on pull and then on cd or what? cuz it desyncs with burst since the cooldown starts on 2nd use

[strange python]

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[eager tree]

" While darkest night is up/active, you cannot consume mark stacks anymore. This is a bigger problem for sub than for us, but it kills vanish->ambush without improved garrote"

dont have enough experience at sin to understand this. i thought darkest night was the buff you got when you consume all 3 of your mark stacks?

oh does DN not go away if you ambush? only if you 7p envenom?

[brave blaze]

is raidbots updated with the ER change?

[slow pagoda]

man im finding some mixed information. whats the current raid build?

[cerulean compass]

Hey, just quick question, for craft, should I go for haste mastery or crit mastery ? 🤔

[eager tree]

do a 3:30 minute sim and read how the sim uses it. itll obvi use with deathmark on pull but then see where it uses it for the 2nd

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

TLDR it doesn't matter

[wide shuttle]

Tldr sim every combination in top gear

[normal mist]

Even if versatility is our least desired stats, it is good.

[nocturne quail]

Is there a log review channel?

[hoary fulcrum]

soloing t8 dleves is tough, no?

just got smoked from melee hits. 1 mil like every other hi

[drifting jetty]

myup, it do be like that.

[quaint dragon]

whats the new bug?

[hoary kernel]

Kingsbane feels so underwhelming compared to season 3 DF(that's when I quit), did they cap it or something?

[eager tree]

yes

[drifting jetty]

what did i do to you

[hoary kernel]

big sad

[pure moth]

Generally you share a link and they turn it into a thread so it's in one place.

[hoary kernel]

Oh shit

[eager tree]

and also PI isnt as good for it

so you lost the PI also

[hoary kernel]

HAH I never got PI for it anyway

[runic hinge]

Target dummy doesn’t have execute and a 5 minute sim with no buffs will be more accurate

[eager tree]

i think you can select target dummy in your sim options right

[runic hinge]

Yes you can

[cerulean compass]

Okay I'll try thanks ! 😄

[nocturne quail]

Thank you brotha

[dusty zenith]

algari mana oil worth using for off hand with bubbling wax?

[eternal wigeon]

is there any proffesions that benefits rogues , like gear crafting

i have mining now as gathering

[acoustic roost]

No

[zenith coral]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[slate crown]

No, not really. Everything is available to everyone via crafting orders. You should pick professions for other reasons than your class/dps (i.e. gold making, interest, subjective fun like if you enjoy gathering, etc).

[strange python]

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[west crown]

What’s the specific reason we stay under 50% energy for deathstalker envenom maintenance?

[wooden flare]

Sanguine Blades

[strange python]

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[limber lion]

No

[sinful elk]

I was away for 2 days while all this delves bullshit went down. Wtf is the play now? Seem fucking impossible solo?

[tired gull]

?? you don't play SB single target

[limber lion]

With Sang as DS you stay below 50%

It eats up your energy

So you only want it with cds

[night delta]

what's the point of picking SB to purposefully avoid triggering it

[limber lion]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[limber lion]

It'a still better than alternative choices

Because you get the effect with cds and high energy moments

[night delta]

we can keep SB running during Deathmark even when spamming out ?

[tawny pawn]

guys any news about the trinkets? do we have new bis trinkets?

or is it about the same?

[iron carbon]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[limber lion]

Not quite necessarily, but we pretty much also use tea with every deathmark

[iron carbon]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[limber lion]

Pins...

[pure moth]

Sure thing

[arctic cove]

are ppl running imp gar for Queen ansu fight?

[iron carbon]

Yes, sorry, I know, I forgot to check it first

[night delta]

is SB really far ahead when playing Deathstalker ?

sounds like a headache

[limber lion]

No

You generally don't play it in full ST

Only in cleave/aoe

[night delta]

alright gotcha

[night delta]

yeah I guess that makes sense

damage distribution all that jazz

[limber lion]

That's also when it starts to matter less with increased energy gains from multiple bleeds

[hearty pine]

quick question how do i manage delves even with tricks on brann i cant beat the boss in kriegval rest i simply die to his dmg after his aggro snaps on me

[waxen crescent]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[strange python]

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[night delta]

details reseting on vanish ?

dunno honestly, it's a usual culprit for wierd details results but that might not be it

[iron lynx]

!spark

[spice spire]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[waxen crescent]

Do we even craft anything this week with omens and crest?

!delves

!delve

[prisma monolith]

Soloing Delves is really hard currently. Some solutions:

• Do them with a tank+healer in a 3 man. This seems to be lenient on scaling
• Go outlaw/subtlety with trickster, take the 1 hour tricks of the trade talent, cast tricks on brann (I personally put brann on my focus and use /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade)
• For objective/pickup object based delves, you can sap/aoe blind, pick up the item, then vanish. This is slow but will get the job done most of the time
• Put Netflix on your second monitor or something while you wait for your 2min cooldowns to come back up so you can pull another 3 pack of mobs, 2 of which are sapped/blinded, you’re in for a long delve

[onyx linden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[solid ivy]

!poolling

[weary spear]

Anyone know how I could go about finding out why my raid parses suck? Always been good at M+ but can’t seem to pump in raid atm. Name Spoogezilla - area 52 for logs

[slate crown]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[uneven plume]

Why is this simming so high?

[tired gull]

because it's good

[uneven plume]

F tier on WoWhead?

[tired gull]

(also you can cloak the debuff)

[strange python]

same as scroll why is scroll of momentum out simming spyglasss?

[spice spire]

Do you crave mastery

[uneven plume]

i have 14k mastery without this trinket

lmaooo

[lucid meteor]

My ER is applying Darkest Night

[spice spire]

Also tuning happened since wh

[lucid meteor]

did they fix it?

[spice spire]

Yes

Last night

[uneven plume]

so wowhead needs to be changed

[lucid meteor]

so do we run reverb instead of lethality?

[uneven plume]

def not an F tier trinket if its a 20k+ dps increase on sims

[spice spire]

Pins with a ton of info

[uneven plume]

ahh

kk

[weary shoal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[strange python]

is there any additional tips on bosses for us? like i feel wonky on brood twister ovi for some reason

[merry shell]

anyone lucky enough to get the ring from ansurek yet?

[strange python]

went to our aff lock 😦 but we gonna finish of last 5 in herioc tommorow so fingers crossed

[winter edge]

!spark

[uneven plume]

does the shard drop for rogue in SV?

or is that a strt trinket

str*

damn str

cracked trinket

[slate crown]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[rugged sphinx]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[weary spear]

Str trink

[wintry laurel]

probably a question that has been answered a thousand times but in droptimizer for professions it shows that the drain is the best embelishment not ascension, am I missing something?

[willow cloud]

anyone whos killed it, could you share what talents you ran for ansurek?

[dense fractal]

just use tricks of the trade to brann he is tanking everything

[nocturne crater]

Gonna guess it's because droptimizier is telling you your best upgrades with your current gear. This is telling you this bis for the optimal gearset

[wintry laurel]

ohhh okay that makes sense, thanks!

[dense fractal]

how much haste do u run on assasination guys and how much do we generally need?

[weary spear]

Haste isn’t much of an increase in smoothness for the spec

Crit mastery better for dps with only marginally less energy regen

[chilly herald]

IIRC it depends on the hero talents. Please double check guides/pins, but AFAIK it's 0 haste FB and some haste for DS. One of them picks Sanguine Blades, another doesn't

[grand trail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tired gull]

i'll say again even if the ER fix doesn't give us HUGE numbers, it feels so much better to play now

[misty hare]

hey guys, what is the best weapon enchant currently for assassination?

[calm tendon]

ah cmon.. sometimes wax is working and sometimes u got nothing. any bug with phasing etc?

[gritty laurel]

yeah it's buttery smooth now

[tawny pawn]

did they fix it?

sorry i was out for a while

[wintry laurel]

oh shit yeah scoll of momentum simming higher than ara-kara for me now

[tawny pawn]

guess that answer it

[wide dome]

!talent

!talents

[strange python]

same higher then spyglass too

[strange python]

basicly 1 out of 7 builds only do more sim dps then 2x lethal for me so the fix didnt even do anything lol

[silent drift]

if you get hit with a DoT, will popping cloak of shadow stop the dmg?

[somber nimbus]

any tips for ansurek?

[eager tree]

if its magic

itll remove the dot

[silent drift]

got it, thank you

[eager tree]

dshybrid rc and dshybrid cb in the pinned post sims...i know rc is resounding clarity, cb is...

[spice spire]

Cold blood

[eager tree]

oh duh

thanks

[worn badger]

you can also cloak the drakes in grim batol that are about to breathe on you. it just stops the cast and they go back to picking on the tank

[exotic hearth]

How can I run the droptimizer for profs with embellishments?

[cloud trellis]

I was messing around with outlaw and now I have double duskthread and dawnthread buffs

[karmic gazelle]

So appareently assassination rogue both fate and death are lowest melee dps specs

*APM

[balmy condor]

yeah, that's entirely expected

assassination is basically the only slow melee spec left in the game

[wide dome]

When raiding as assa, are you guys running the same build for all the bosses? Any bosses I should for sure be switching things up on? Thanks

[royal mango]

But the abilities don't work if you don't press the bind 3-4 times per global. I though everyone knew that

[jovial patrol]

There are 3/4 varying builds, depending on the amount of hybrid for adds needed.

[wild kindle]

can anybody explain the deathstalker amrk to me? i swear it jsut disappeared on training dummy andn couldnt get it back with maxxed envenom

[balmy condor]

if adds, caustic, if no adds, internal bleeding

[exotic hearth]

Are we safe to craft embellished items or are they still being tuned?

[balmy condor]

they reintroduced bugs with the echoing reprimand fix it's strange

[balmy condor]

go for it

[balmy condor]

yeah true true

if I'm not casting I'm not doing damage

[royal mango]

Always be casting

[balmy condor]

real

[royal mango]

Strafe wiggling and jumping counts too

[wooden flare]

is raidbot the only sim people use now? is there a way to manually select the gear you want to sim?

[balmy condor]

top gear

and yes

raidbots is the only sim that's been accurate

since like legion

[limpid sleet]

Are we the strongest rogue spec for m+?

[wide dome]

thats literally the only switch? Not bad. Got it

[exotic hearth]

!crafting

[karmic gazelle]

NE Makes good Assassination ?

[balmy condor]

outlaw is pretty close, probably has more vers/tanky

[wide dome]

I ran normal already but im rerunning it to work on things.

[exotic hearth]

Thats not it. What are the ! commands? lmao

[balmy condor]

yeah you can argue for crimson tempest on some stuff but not needed tbh

[karmic gazelle]

Outlaw is highest apm spec

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

it's fine yeah, nothing crazy

[limpid sleet]

what about sub? always struggling between sub/assa, but sub just felt super weird in my last run

[balmy condor]

okay? that's also expected

[balmy condor]

sub is kinda struggling in m+

their hero talents don't interact with black powder so they're stuck single targetting mobs

which is really weird

[limpid sleet]

ye...

[spice surge]

Trickster is fine

But like, its not interesting

[limpid sleet]

it feels like youre "bossing" on each small pack, making it feel very unrewarding

[balmy condor]

well

you're spamming rupture mostly

[limpid sleet]

against bosses its just as good as you know it. But the rest feels kinda weird lol

[exotic hearth]

I can craft my embellishment on boots instead of belt right? They are all the same stat weights right?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[limpid sleet]

Can i change my current gear somewhere, in terms of substats?

[balmy condor]

what

[runic hinge]

Theoretically is your wa set up to play outlaw

[balmy condor]

in what way

[balmy condor]

yes I took an afternoon fixing it

I play outlaw in delves

so had to make it work

[runic hinge]

Nice. I wanna make my wrists hurt

[balmy condor]

based

we love self harm

[slow pagoda]

what build yall running on broodtwister

[signal merlin]

hey, just noticed a bug on my last run (you guys probably seen it) but when i have the Darkest night buff and i apply deathstalker's mark with ambush i can't consume those while i still got the buff, was it a thing for a while or is it a brand new bug?

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be real, I tested like 6 different builds on heroic brood and all of them did basically the same shit doesn't matter

as long as you're running caustic

you're good to go

[slow pagoda]

ahh kk

perfect

thanks

[limpid sleet]

like if i wanna transition from sub to assa id need to get my whole gear with crit/mas.. currently im on versa/mas on everything, almost

[balmy condor]

np

[balmy condor]

pins

[balmy condor]

why do you need to do this?

[limpid sleet]

thought the build needs crit, and crit is like my 2nd lowest statline

[spice surge]

"""needs"""

[balmy condor]

assa doesn't care for secondaries

they're all good

just use whatever

[signal merlin]

aight thanks

[limpid sleet]

oh lol

[hollow blade]

could someone link me a talent tree with tricks for raid aoe?

[viscid rune]

What spark gear you guys crafting?

[eager tree]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[balmy condor]

take a single target build, and then go tricks and caustic

[sudden phoenix]

I've seen alot about needing to sim which spec is best for you. Im just running the ST build thats on wowhead (thx whispyr), should have something else and run the sim to see if it does better?

[somber nimbus]

will shadow step kill me on ansurek pull

asking for a friend

after she pulls

if i shadowstep back to her

[balmy condor]

the build is fine, just take resounding clarity and 1/2 lethality

a lot of it is due to a bug that got reimplemented that should be fixed rather quickly

[sudden phoenix]

Awesome! thx

[balmy condor]

I think it's pretty safe to just run the build you have been running and just vibe