assassination

[novel star]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[novel star]

tldr Yes

[strange python]

ok ty

eventually ill get it all right?

so i can just gear swap

[hexed matrix]

i see sims show fatebound as more dmg, but everyone playing deathstalker on the top parses for raid so far, very few fatebounders. im surprised... any particular reason?

[hexed loom]

if I'm not lightweight shiving should I be shivving to cover the end of kingsbane or shiv then kingsbane

[median igloo]

Are you running Brann as damage or healer? I couldn't get brann to consistently hold threat

[novel star]

sims r giga bis

like different bis for each hero thing i believe

most characters right now sim better ds

[hexed matrix]

ah, duh

thx

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thin gyro]

I was coming here with the same concerns - I was going to play fatebound, but it seems like it's a near non-option looking at logs right now.

[novel star]

fatebound simply has no representation because of that mindset

you should be looking at logs from one individual player switching between fb and ds

[balmy condor]

healer, you just tricks him and gg

I play outlaw with the same strat

[novel star]

it’s all presence bias shit rn

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor just had it happen during the council fight

like 1min in the fight, i triggered DN even got Clear the Witness but the mark just disapperead and i had to play without mark for 1min

like

????????????????????

tf iss going on

[balmy condor]

nice

[novel star]

game sucks ass

[subtle tundra]

SO IT WASNT A BUG?

nvm

SO IT WAS A BUG

[lunar bridge]

Hello ! What is best for M+ Deathstalker or Fatebound ?

[subtle tundra]

SO IT WASNT ME BEING BAD

[balmy condor]

end

[rotund field]

So i tried putting Weightstones on my daggers but it said it wouldnt work because its a blunt item? Can crafted daggers not use stones? Looking at logs i seen other rogues using them

[willow mica]

Fatebound as like a 5% margin of difference in their dps over what Deathstalker has well right?

[median igloo]

Gotcha. I'll try it again today and see if it goes better

[balmy condor]

whetstones* not weighstones

[cursive mortar]

I still haven't tried fatebound

[cobalt sphinx]

arachnids aren't technically insects

[short ledge]

we know which piece we do not want for the 4p ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[novel star]

deathstalker more prio fb more mass aoe, overall dmg close enough to play what u want lol

[balmy condor]

chest but it doesn't matter for shit

[lunar bridge]

Ohh okay thanks 🙂

[wide dome]

https://gyazo.com/9e506d9c4a93b31d0a996f1293f51d48 i go up even more look

[balmy condor]

you can totally wear 5 pieces of tier

[subtle tundra]

i have 0

[delicate imp]

What's the reason for this? Is it a bug? Sorry haven't been following too closely

[novel star]

just sim the difference between hero specs urself guys it’s gna change all the time

mine went down to like 1.5% diff used to be 2

it’s not hard to do 2 sims instead of 1 >.<

[swift dagger]

ER has bugs with hero talents

and blizzard hasnt fixed them (and likely wont)

[novel star]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[waxen oyster]

officer corruption /j

[delicate imp]

seems good

[jaunty dew]

Cries in RL

[delicate imp]

how do you guys like fatebound

maybe ill give it a try

[waxen oyster]

we memed because we had 2 glaives drop off same boss

with only one dh in group

and he crafted a wep that week

[novel star]

it’s a much smoother experience

[waxen oyster]

[cobalt sphinx]

does wcl show any hero talent trends

[delicate imp]

unfortunate

ok

[novel star]

deathstalker more exciting but it’s clunky imo

[sick pewter]

!poisons

[novel star]

i don’t enjoy the 7cp force gameplay

[jaunty dew]

So @balmy condor Looking at the 11.0.5 changes it makes it very hard to decide between the last talents or am I just overthinking it? Do we want the supercharge? 2nd vanish with the upgraded subterfuge? Sticking with TT?

[sick pewter]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[waxen oyster]

deathstalker feels more natural for sub imo

in that sense

since you hit 7cp finishers regularly

[cobalt sphinx]

not really worth the brain power until it's ready for release

[novel star]

why r we caring it not out for 2 monthz >.<

[balmy condor]

thistle tea and deeper strat are must play

that's not changing

[jaunty dew]

Why not debate some of the stuff that comes out to have a better understanding of the changes? Why should I wait until last minute to think stuff out?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah it seems very cool for sub

[amber sun]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[sharp viper]

i don't want auto tea 😦

[waxen oyster]

like some parts of the deathstalker tree make more sense for assa imo

like singular focus

[quaint dragon]

we use crimson tempest in st?

[subtle tundra]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[novel star]

it’s 30 energy now u will be fine

[novel star]

why would we do this

[thorn crater]

call me crazy but fatebound matches outlaw and DS matches sub. and trickster matches them both. none of hte hero talents matches the assassination aesthetic

[waxen oyster]

but like sub applies dsm with its natural rotation

[thorn crater]

but thats just me

[wide dome]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jANv5t5GearvMrHQYrxLMY - update

[cobalt sphinx]

there is no shortage of live content, i'd get it if things were slowing down with the raid but mythic isn't even out, seems weird to look ahead to the next patch when we haven't even begun the current one

[novel star]

nah deathstalker def fits lol

[cobalt sphinx]

maybe it's a personal thing for me

[normal mist]

My Man you're flying

[subtle tundra]

deathstalker can suck my nuts

[quaint dragon]

my raidbots sim does it so idk

[waxen oyster]

its funny because deathstalker is pretty much passive for sub

[jaunty dew]

Yeah well, I enjoy thinking things ahead and trying to identify the potential changes.

[waxen oyster]

as far as im aware

[novel star]

wdym?

[waxen oyster]

since strike applies it and blades fills your points on every builder

[thorn crater]

have people crafted their embellishments/

[novel star]

the sim just uses whatever talents you give it

[waxen oyster]

i made 2 embellishes on 610 pvp gear

not using sparks yet

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i think whispyr said you hit ct if your ctw fok crits lol

[wide dome]

oh yeah. im about to catalyst so i have 2 piece too.

[novel star]

Sh

[exotic epoch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pliant gazelle]

What's the way to play around this trinket? Should just not care about it ? Try to max one at 30 before freezing ? Never have one above 20 ?

[quaint dragon]

So I use it st xd?

[fickle lotus]

You play around it by throwing it in the garbage

[novel star]

no

unless you want an extremely specific and hard to track minmax for barely any damage

no

don’t use ct in st

[cobalt sphinx]

ct is only usable if you are tracking this afaik

[quaint dragon]

hmm okay thanks

[thin gyro]

I guess logs is just way way off because of the lack of FB players? Either that or the sims are far from real-fights?

I took the top 50 ivl-593-595 logs for Normal Ulgrax for DS, and the top 50 for FB, and DS is performing 35% better.

I'm just not sure they are as close as the sims make them out to be - but I don't know why.

[novel star]

yes lack of players

[cobalt sphinx]

the better players are picking the better option

[novel star]

the presence is like way way wau waywywuwyaywyya deathstalker biased

[thin gyro]

Yeah, I thought picking the lower ilevel might weed out the sweatiest of players.

[pearl tangle]

Guy, I can craft this. Is this any good ? https://www.wowhead.com/item=222463/siphoning-stiletto

[novel star]

no everyone picks what is optimal anyway because the guide tells them to

but how optimal is optimal in reality

u cant find out by looking at just a list of parses

cause there’s crazy presence gap

[willow mica]

It could just be the fights as well. Patchwerk is assuming 100% uptime perfect rotation

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you'd think +1.5% with gameplay would be worse than -1.5% purely passive

[novel star]

downtime should be fatebound favoured

because heads coin

[cobalt sphinx]

ds also has ctw though, i'm curious if that wins on any fight with add waves

[thin gyro]

this - it's just we are SOOOO far from 1.5% on logs any way I cut the data.

But sure, prob just lack of players.

[willow mica]

Like I said perfect rotation. If I understand fatebound is a little more involved to play right?

[novel star]

other way around

[willow mica]

Deathstalker is pretty... braindead honestly?

[thin gyro]

FB is not involved at all to play

[cobalt sphinx]

opposite

[novel star]

fatebound is the easy one

[willow mica]

oh huh lol

[novel star]

it’s completely passive

you do not actively engage with anything on fb

it just flips coins

when u do finishers

[willow mica]

I hate coin flips and dice rolls

so I dont know much lol

[celest ferry]

Hey i'm new and just had a quick question. ilvl 580 doing like 500k dps single target and shy of 1 mil dps aoe. Is that bad?

[willow mica]

guess how i feel bout outlaw 😄

[thin gyro]

Yeah, I wasn't look for a new mechanic so planned to play FB, I ain't worried about 1.5% - but 35%. Can't ignore that. Even if the truth is in the middle of that, can't ignore that.

[novel star]

35%??????

[quaint dragon]

lol 35%?

there is no way bro

[thin gyro]

.

[novel star]

buddy please for fucks sake stop looking at the logs that are 97% ds biased

and actually sim yourself

or look at your own personal logs

math is real

numbers cannot lie

trust the sim

real environment will make fatebound even closer than it already is in a patchwerk sim

[willow mica]

I remember a time we trusted the sim and it was very wrong tbf

[thin gyro]

Yeah I trust the sim, there is just quite a disparity, in the logs - a big one. Not a small one.

[willow mica]

This is probably not one of those times. but yeah lol

[thin gyro]

I don't raid to Friday, so was just trying to figure out if I was switching to DS

I'll go FB

[willow mica]

Smash a dummy for a bit on both

[thin gyro]

👍

[willow mica]

if your numbers are close

there you go

lol

[tired gull]

FB is actually simming same for me as DS

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah in my experience fatebound has been hot garbage but i didn't play it a lot

i'm curious to see how the logs end up

[willow mica]

So question. Lets say I am bad, and I drop the DS thing somehow. Gotta wait for vanish to fix it right?

[fickle lotus]

yeah

[void pecan]

Yur.

[faint path]

fuck assas rogue energy regen literally sometimes I'm just watching people passing me while I'm waiting for energy

[fickle lotus]

i just watch for mechanics while i wait

[willow cloud]

yeeeh, got a 95% parse on kyveza, holy shit theres only 154 assi parses

[cobalt sphinx]

i just pop tea anyway

[eternal lantern]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[willow mica]

you monster

[novel star]

ya but u can kinda get away with just holding vanish now that imp gar isn’t taken i think

[raven egret]

I'm debating going into raid tonight with.. sigh... Fatebound instead of DS

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah you are probably good to save vanish at all times just in case to fix your mistakes

[raven egret]

I mean, yes?

[faint path]

hm nice coin damage

[slate crown]

Why's that?

[novel star]

outlaw moment

[faint path]

Shitty boring spec

[raven egret]

DS bugs, primarily with DN just disapearing

[novel star]

based

[cobalt sphinx]

i don't think i lost a dsm in my 8/8n

[vital badger]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[willow mica]

Oh I just noticed we don't take Imp Garrote anymore for ST. wild.

[cobalt sphinx]

left one up on ansurek and had to vanish the add in intermission 1

[willow cloud]

no idea why people are hating on DS https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mfXyCwhWQJMnkpGr#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=112

[violet hemlock]

!ui

[raven egret]

yeah I dont know I checked in yesterday and plenty of people confirmed having that happen; consume last mark, DN appears on buff for half a second but immediately vanishes and leaves you markless

[violet hemlock]

!plater

[novel star]

it’s just not fun to get ur mark scammed and sit there knowing ur doing no dmg until u get vanish back or something

[flint tusk]

Rash'nan has a hidden mechanic!

[novel star]

so ds is depressing

[cobalt sphinx]

interesting so the buff itself goes away, never experienced that ever i think

[flint tusk]

DC the whole raid

[haughty flicker]

pog

[violet hemlock]

How do I see the link to the plater profiles

[novel star]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[haughty flicker]

blizzard took away his invincibility so he found a new way to fuck people up

[fickle lotus]

i had it happen multiple times during my normal raid on tuesday

[violet hemlock]

Is Cev's up to date?

[novel star]

i believe so

check the date on wago lol

[cobalt sphinx]

i use cev's, i like it a lot

[novel star]

i use whispyrs so idk

[violet hemlock]

It says Nov 11 2023 thats why I asked

[willow mica]

also says 10.2

so yeah i dunno about that lol

[alpine garden]

I switched to whispyrs because Cevs didn't have any DS stuff on it when I loaded it in

[novel star]

would recommend kinda bis

pandemic looks ugly though

[violet hemlock]

But these are profiles right not just scripts. Cause I quite like how my plater lkooks mainly wanted the pandemic and bar coloring

[novel star]

you can import the profile and just take the scripts out

to put them in another one

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah i just track ds and dsm with the afenar edit

[haughty flicker]

yoinking shit from peoples profiles is a fundamental skill for ui building

[novel star]

ye

[cobalt sphinx]

whispyrs plater mgiht be better but id have to shrink it down by like 40%

[stable flint]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/304343434137960449/1283842520308256858/image.png

[haughty flicker]

why is there a ghost using bot commands

[stable flint]

i vanished

[willow mica]

Now that a real rogue

[novel star]

doesn’t work on mobile

exposed as a sub

get fucked

[lofty nymph]

Wowhead talents st not correct right?

[stable flint]

i know sadly

[novel star]

why wouldn’t they be

[willow mica]

See not hard 😄

[lofty nymph]

no one with top logs playing tghem

[haughty flicker]

tbf thats thematic

[novel star]

if you mean no improved garrote: that is correct. it sims 0.2% better

[haughty flicker]

very subtle to hide your name

[novel star]

it’s just a new change that kind of happened very quietly

people alrdy imported their talents at the start of the xpac

[worn badger]

any one know a leather worker that can make me bracers ?

[vestal cliff]

What are they playing different?

[lofty nymph]

They play Improved garrote, like everyone

[novel star]

either it sims better for them or they don’t care

but it’s on the guide because the guide maker simmed it and it was better

it wasn’t like that 5 days ago

it’s a new edit

because it’s better

(barely)

(in bis)

[lofty nymph]

I trust Whispyr with blindeyes

I just wonder, why

[mint valve]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lofty nymph]

Would you prefer to play with it, or not? like i am confused xd

[novel star]

just sim it

you are overthinking this

sim one talent set and then sim the other

pick the one that is bigger number

[willow mica]

I like improved garrote because I have a habit of doing the vanish thing

lol

[novel star]

popularity of talents doesn’t matter

wow has tools for you to just go on a website and find out exactly what is better

[lofty nymph]

10000%

[novel star]

whenever you want

[lofty nymph]

ong i do

[novel star]

for free!

[balmy condor]

looks like around half of people are taking imp gar, and a third are taking sanguine

[deep arch]

how much do raidbuffs make a difference on our dps? I feel like im doing exponential amounts less damage on dummies

compared to sims

[novel star]

a lot and also execute damage

you can sim a no buffs dummy instead of parchwerk

for more accuracy

[vestal wren]

there is a setting on raidbots to sim dummy

[halcyon hamlet]

does anyone know a good poison reminder WA thats not funki's? His WA seems to lag my game

[lofty nymph]

Do you think, I just think to much about it and should sim the talents?

[deep arch]

oh ye jesuschrist

[lofty nymph]

I just wanna perform and this kind of changes, confusing me alot, i just started to play 1 season ago the rogue and happy atm that i can perform 80 logs

[deep arch]

that sims 200k lower

[novel star]

Ye

[deep arch]

this is more like what im doing on dummies yeah

[cobalt sphinx]

[wintry harbor]

dawnthread lining stack right? because the tooltip is showing only one

[cobalt sphinx]

stunlocked by 2 minor talents and .6%

[novel star]

dip your hp below 80% and then heal back up

it will fix

they do stack

[lofty nymph]

[balmy condor]

yeah

[vestal cliff]

Double dawnthread for m+ and ascension plus wrist thingy for raid embellishment right?

[topaz pebble]

Are we playing outlaw in raid? or am i reading the logs wrong ?

[novel star]

i’m playing what i have fun playing because i’m not in a rwf guild and i don’t care :)

[cobalt sphinx]

phrasing

[willow cloud]

the public logs rn are a crapshoot of random junk

[lofty nymph]

Thanks sir

[cobalt sphinx]

we are playing assassination and likely doing less damage than we are capable of if we were to swap to outlaw

[lofty nymph]

hope lorgs will put up soon

[twin raven]

chill outlaw perform better without set

[haughty sand]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[real pike]

what build are people using for ansurek?

[deep breach]

ive switched from outlaw and man i am struggling with the ST rotation of assasination

[tawny geyser]

Watch Whispyr on youtube

[faint path]

OUR ST is so easy burst then wait 10 minute for energy regen 🙂

[deep breach]

yeah i think thats what im not used to. the lack of energy lol

[cobalt sphinx]

don't you just deathmark, shiv, kingsbane, and then build combo points to envenom for the next minute

[gentle gyro]

yep

[willow cloud]

I think h ansurek is sort of unkillable, and normal is a joke, but run ST with caustic

[sick bridge]

Has anyone found a way to make Bran stop shielding you?

[gentle gyro]

Kingsbane delivery spec

[haughty flicker]

What’s up with h ansurek?

[real pike]

thankies

[haughty flicker]

I haven’t been paying attention to that stuff

[deep breach]

am i only using shiv with kingsbane?

[cobalt sphinx]

with 2 charges yes

[gentle gyro]

yes. 1st before you apply it, 2nd when first is about to run out

[willow cloud]

full ST is better, but there are adds, so caustic to helpw ith those over the <2% dps from improved rupture is IMO better

[short knoll]

Anybody got tips for t7+ delves? At krigval's rest and it seems even with defensives, boss does giga unavoidable dmg

[gentle gyro]

ok i need someone else to make a decision for me, what fucking enchant do i put on my dagger. I both raid and m+ (or will, anyways) and i can't decide

[cobalt sphinx]

depths

👍

[gentle gyro]

ok a decision has been made

[deep breach]

gotcha. thanks

[cobalt sphinx]

this was my sim

so double radiant was 0.5 behind double depths

[quaint dragon]

anybody did the underkeep delve in group today? The big mobs had insane amount of health for some reason(for delve)

[normal mist]

yes i did

thats the one in the 4th map right?

the boss are the 3 elites

[quaint dragon]

ye

they had 300mil hp

[normal mist]

you kill them and you finish the run

Yes

It was pretty chill

but took a while

[willow cloud]

be glad they didn't teleport under the floor when aggroed in a doorway

[normal mist]

amen

[raw bone]

are you keeping both bosses doted up on silken court?

or do you just cleave of one

[gentle gyro]

keep dots on both if possible

[real pike]

I try and keep gar and rup on the second but DsM management is super important I find if you're playing DS

[cunning pilot]

is this shadow ritual dagger actually good? simming better than sacbrood even tho its f tier on the wowhead tier list

[gentle gyro]

bro has spyglass and eggsac

[cunning pilot]

the rng gods love me

[haughty sand]

Radiant power or depths for ench?

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[woven ruin]

Anyone having a problem with tricks not working with death stalker?

[novel star]

tricks

mentioned

[faint path]

I have problem with single target energy

[novel star]

well do i have a command for u

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[novel star]

[normal mist]

Moroes goes over the energy talk every day every night

non stop

[waxen oyster]

People play the slowest rogue spec

[faint path]

fuck assas rogue energy

still

[novel star]

i love typing !design its prolly my fav one

[waxen oyster]

wonder why there's low energy

[novel star]

go play outlaw

or sub

blue name

[faint path]

Boring

assas aoe is fun

[polar sinew]

hey does the ring from the Queen (last boss) got any scale with rogues assa ? Since we deal nature damages ?

[waxen oyster]

no

[haughty sand]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[royal lantern]

not really better then it is on anyone else

all people want it

[eternal wigeon]

which is the best rings to craft for rogue

[potent python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[polar sinew]

thaznks !

[undone flame]

is 4p even good seems slow to me (i dont know how fast the stacks build up)

[arctic socket]

Free damage is good damage

[royal lantern]

2set is ~1, 4set is ~3%

our tier set is kinda weak

happens

[alpine garden]

its free real estate

[royal lantern]

we did a full normal clear with 0 drops on rogue tokens

[arctic socket]

L

[reef oxide]

ok so i see multiple sources saying sin is good at m+. but in dragonflight this was not the case. things died too quickly.
what is different about TWW m+ that makes sin good?

[reef oxide]

i feel like the problem will still be there

[royal lantern]

turns out

[arctic socket]

Go watch whispers video about m+

[royal lantern]

giving a spec bladeflurry

iss kinda good

[arctic socket]

Covers it

[waxen oyster]

s3 introduced sudden demise

[reef oxide]

@arctic socket will do

[royal lantern]

tbf, sudden demise is not something that is actually "strong" in m+, its mostly just 10% more bleed dmg + some QoL dot protection

[waxen oyster]

i mean he was talking about

stuff dies too fast

[arctic socket]

^

[royal lantern]

oh ye

[reef oxide]

for kingsbane

[royal lantern]

sudden demise then

its a godsend in low content

where shit dies cus a paladin sneezed on divine storm once

[runic hinge]

We have 11 people on my token. I’m not planning on getting tier before I just full catalyst

[waxen oyster]

you think pallies know another spender exists?

if there's more than 1 red nameplate

[arctic socket]

There isn’t another spender

It’s just Templar verdict or divine storm

[royal lantern]

tbh

blizz kinda fucked it up by making everything else weak af

[waxen oyster]

arent there talents that give you free divine storms

too

[royal lantern]

so its sometimes even a gain to use storm in ST

[waxen oyster]

[arctic socket]

Yeah

[royal lantern]

[arctic socket]

Free divine storm procs

A lot of them

[waxen oyster]

there's that other spender

that is really shit

unless stunned mob

justicar's

[arctic socket]

If you use that your mentally

Nvm

Won’t finish that

[agile wedge]

whats the highest thing i can currently craft?

[indigo ginkgo]

raidbots doesnt count the CW buff ? cuz i dont see the cast on quick sim

[arctic socket]

616

[agile wedge]

ty

[arctic socket]

Gotta do heroic raid though

[agile wedge]

yeah did

[undone flame]

damn thats kinda sad 😦

[arctic socket]

I mean 4% damage is pretty cool

[novel star]

isnt enemies dying too fast for a dot spec kinda memes anyway

[undone flame]

yea i just dont like the 4p tbh

[novel star]

how long has shadow been meta lmfao

[cobalt sphinx]

4set looks like 1.8% damage for me

[arctic socket]

What’s wrong with the 4p

[novel star]

replied to old messages whatever ff

[undone flame]

like dose it give more dmg to the bleeds thas allready on them or do i have to reapply them for the bonus dmg

[arctic socket]

Huh

[reef oxide]

@arctic socket this video is 60+ minutes do you remember what part he talks about it?

[novel star]

why would it be the latter none of our other stuff snapshots except imp gar

[cursive copper]

What is better deathstalker or fatebound for raid?

[novel star]

[cursive copper]

I have 2 parts tier

[novel star]

they are extremely close in sims

[arctic socket]

Once you get 5 stacks your bleeds deal more damage don’t have to reapply

[novel star]

logs unreliable because of an insane presence bias towards ds

just sim urself and pick whatever you like better

its close enough that if u prefer fb and suck at ds youll do more damage on fb

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

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[undone flame]

okay i woude have enjoy an envenom impower an bit more but that seems okay

[arctic socket]

Some raid bosses it’s probably better to play fatebound

The boss where you get pulled while dodging waves is aids

Last boss is also rough

[novel star]

in theory fatebound should be better whenever theres downtime

cause heads

[cobalt sphinx]

0p -> 4p

ion hazzikostas really cooked

[novel star]

[gentle gyro]

ouch

[novel star]

season 1 tier being boring as fuck and mid kinda the standard they set alrdy tho right

[wanton mortar]

name of the food we can use? not the feast one

[arctic socket]

Just be a homie and use feasts

Help the guildies

[novel star]

[arctic socket]

Guide doesn’t tell you the one primary stat food

[royal lantern]

thats a decent first raid

and that includes me getting my KB parried during the 2nd DM window on the 3rd boss, and not having a Mark for 1min on council

[arctic socket]

Excluding the feasts

[royal lantern]

oh, and no warrior/dh buff

cus both of them are on vacation

[novel star]

yes it does

oh

wait

ur right it doesnt

[arctic socket]

Yeah I have no idea how you did so well on the last two bosses

[novel star]

i cant read atm

i need to sleep

[undone flame]

do we know when turing coms? like when its safe to use sparks

[arctic socket]

I think my guild just rly fucked it up

I did horrible

[royal lantern]

idk

used vanish->ambush for the intermisssion on the add

and then just juggled the mark bettwen addss

[mint jolt]

The Risotto one is the agi stam food

[arctic socket]

My guild fucked the portal mechanic up on last boss

On last phase

[royal lantern]

heroic?

cus we didnt even had that one

but only did normal

[arctic socket]

Nah just on normal

[cobalt sphinx]

i got orange ansurek with 2nd highest on the caustic skitterer damage

[arctic socket]

We are only 3 bosses deep in heroic

[arctic socket]

I was all orange n pink

[royal lantern]

ye killed first on heroic, 1 pull on 2nd and wipe cus warrior+mages are braindead

[arctic socket]

Then hit the last two and went purple

😦

[royal lantern]

and now wait for next raid on ssunday

and vibe

[arctic socket]

I raid tonight

[waxen oyster]

yeah skitterers kind of function

like tindral vines

[arctic socket]

But I now have a 2p and depths enchanted tho so we up

[zealous wolf]

is it worth it to upgrade champion track gear? i have a dagger 606 and idk if i should spend the runed harbinger crests

[royal lantern]

i mean

im spending my normal crests

cus wtf else should i do with them

[zealous wolf]

wdym normal crests

[royal lantern]

m+ gear/heroic and mythic raid gear wont use them anymore, so idk why not use them

[arctic socket]

You get different crest from normal raid and heroic

[waxen oyster]

yeah normal ones you can spend

[arctic socket]

I mean what I planned on doing was upgrading my crafted dagger with ascension to 616

[cobalt sphinx]

probably slightly more efficient to craft with runed but it's not a big deal either way

[waxen oyster]

we already had a decent amount before season started anyway

[arctic socket]

And then using the other crests on my mythic spyglass

When I get it

Todays the day

[waxen oyster]

i did NW arakara and siege today

no trinkets

[deep breach]

hey guys just a quick one. when im getting my bleeds out with garrotes/rupture. i need to do them on dif targets or is it all on the same target?

[arctic socket]

I’m not wasting time on Ara Ara dungeon

[waxen oyster]

that place is short

[arctic socket]

(Imma be pissed if I get sav then have to replace)

[waxen oyster]

????

[cobalt sphinx]

delve is good for trinkets

[full summit]

!wa

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[cobalt sphinx]

just get lucky

[waxen oyster]

i got some shitty lantern trinket

[arctic socket]

Delve trinkets are garbage

[waxen oyster]

hero track chest from delve map though

[arctic socket]

Name a good delve trinket

[waxen oyster]

the ritual dagger

[arctic socket]

That’s probably sim bait

[waxen oyster]

assuming you're not outlaw

[arctic socket]

The one where you lose like 3k secondary or some shit right?

[waxen oyster]

then getting a haste loss is probably blizzard mogging you

[cobalt sphinx]

i have 606 ascendancy serum and 610 gnashing tooth, only upgrade from m0 is skardyns for 0.4%

[waxen oyster]

its a low chance to lose stats

[novel star]

serum

[waxen oyster]

its also ALOT of agi

[mint valve]

are we using authority of depths or radiant for m+?

[novel star]

[arctic socket]

Depths is giga

[novel star]

(radiant)

[royal lantern]

bro

they are both almost equal lol

[arctic socket]

Naw

Be a depths enjoyer

(Depths mh radiant oh)

[novel star]

freak

[faint path]

WAOOOOw

[frank quartz]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[worn badger]

any one know any leather workers ? havnt been able to find a crafter for bracer for days

[cobalt sphinx]

the rage filled idol

[uncut orbit]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

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[novel star]

gud ring

[cobalt sphinx]

brann's hp constantly drops in combat

great item

[arctic socket]

Brann is the goat

[novel star]

no speed on mine :/

[worn badger]

He needs purple gear so i can call him Raisin Brann

[arctic socket]

Imagine not having the queen ring

[novel star]

rocking 2 identical motherfuckers rn

[obtuse frigate]

has anyone tested if Lingering Darkness talent works?

[novel star]

literally the same ring

so cringe

[arctic socket]

That 130 crit on a better ring

Hurts

[crystal delta]

anyone got experience with this one? is it usable?

[novel star]

applied the enchants on different days

brain one day didnt want to spend more gold

[uncut orbit]

is it intentional for deathstalkers mark not applying at the start of combat? im ambushing from stealth and it just straight up ignores that ive used it

[novel star]

umad?

[worn badger]

mike did the math on it earlier. its not awful but most trinkets are better

[arctic socket]

You’re trolling not using the 300+

[worn badger]

i sim better with a 593 ascenion than kiss at 606

[runic hinge]

Which one are you using

[woven shore]

Why is this eggsack or whatever its called so good?

[worn badger]

cause you fling spiders at people

[woven shore]

[arctic socket]

i mean

he isn't wrong

[calm nymph]

why is it recommended to reapply deathstalkers mark before you consume the last one?

isnt the vanish here too early?

[novel star]

Ye ur right actually

i should spend 43k on rings im gonna replace

for .5

on it!

[gentle gyro]

because you are going from 1 stack to 3 again

and thus delay the 7 cp envenom that goes from 0 to 3

[calm nymph]

i see why are we delaying the 7 cp evenom?

wouldnt it be better to throw out two if possible?

[dire bane]

the 2set buff poison but what considerate ''poison'' ? is envenom buffed too

[gentle gyro]

you are basically just making it so that you refresh deathstalker. that's all there is to it

also it should be 0 stacks

[ivory orchid]

!wa

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[gritty laurel]

yeah, it isn't a delay. you activate darkest night, then use DN on a fresh 3 stack to double up on bonuses and speed up the next DN

[novel star]

the guy who made the wowhead guide said to just not look at the text opener

because its a fucking mess

[gritty laurel]

fair

[novel star]

yesterday on stream

look at the images instead

[calm nymph]

i see, thank you

[dire bane]

is the 2set buffing envenom?

[inner swift]

is authority of the depth usable in m+? or is it a big loss in comparison of radiant power? cuz im short on gold rn XD

[calm nymph]

oop now im confused again

[novel star]

look at the no improved garrote opener

[calm nymph]

so it looks like hes still resetting the mark before proccing darkest night

[novel star]

it will show the ambush youre looking for

[calm nymph]

ahhh kk

[novel star]

its here just so you have the mark when you otherwise wouldnt

you double dip afaik

mark autos/talents ticking + stack consumed + dn 60% envenom or whatever

[calm nymph]

so im wanting to consume that first darkest night before vanishing?

[novel star]

yes

[calm nymph]

perfect

[novel star]

well proc it

[calm nymph]

yeah

[gritty laurel]

it's probably not going to matter, you could also just use one each

[novel star]

the wording proc and consume are different and intentional

but yeah

[calm nymph]

proc means that my next envenom big dam

to consume it means to eat the proc

[novel star]

yeh

eat da buff

[calm nymph]

understood, thank you

[lapis scaffold]

I've been having dreams about this opener and waking up in the middle of the night screaming DONT FORGET THE THISTLE TEA, not sure about you guys

[novel star]

the ambush there afaik is kinda a small gain?

[calm nymph]

yeah thats the other thing

[novel star]

and if you get a mark bug later in the pull you have no ambush to save it

but like

whatever

[calm nymph]

surely we thistle for the mastery right?

not just energy

[novel star]

i mean

thats why you press it during shiv only

[lapis scaffold]

I thistle for the tea, not sure you

[novel star]

but its primarily energy to enable ur burst

[calm nymph]

yeah

[novel star]

before kingsbane nerf u tead the end of it cus it was so fucked (afaik. didnt actually play at that time but ive picked up bits from reading in here)

now u dont do that u just do it for envenoms in shiv

[lapis scaffold]

Nothing like having a sip of tea mid fight

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[obtuse frigate]

does anyone know if this talent is bugged or not?

[cobalt sphinx]

Death mark not deathstalkers mark

[spice surge]

It works

Just tooltip bug

[calm nymph]

i notice in the one without improved garrote we dont FoK?

[novel star]

wait i can spend 22k for .2 instead lets fucking go! im glad im not trolling anymore

[calm nymph]

after our echoing reprimand

[dim otter]

is there a way to track kingsbane stacks

with WA

[novel star]

sorry im still stunlocked

by that

[spice surge]

Probably but seems extremly unnecessary

[gritty laurel]

that is correct, you're investing into mut/ambush and want to press that button often

[obtuse frigate]

so what does it mean by "Expire"

When we consume it

[calm nymph]

understood

[obtuse frigate]

Or when he AFK's and times out?>

[spice surge]

When it ends

After the 16 seconds have passed

Deathmark

Not deathstalkers mark

[obtuse frigate]

ahhh ok

[woven torrent]

with thistle tea changes does pooling become more important ? or do they have nothing to do with each other

[calm nymph]

wait, is assa getting outperfomed by sub and outlaw in raid?

[woven torrent]

by far lol

[calm nymph]

oof

is outlaw the current meta?

[woven torrent]

sub before tierset outlaw after

[calm nymph]

understood, had no idea lol

[cobalt sphinx]

Sub has the better set no?

[calm nymph]

playing this tier p casually

[woven torrent]

mmhh idk casual does it and im just a parrot @cobalt sphinx

[faint path]

OUTLAW never

[woven torrent]

!fuu

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[balmy sage]

But in M+ Outlaw is better than SIn?

[storm hedge]

A little, you won't wanna go under 30 ever so you can save charges for shiv.

[pastel talon]

Just confirming, Deathstalker is the way to go for M+ right?

[nova kelp]

peeps really think too hard about this spec > spec thing

[faint path]

whats that trinkett hahahaa

[cobalt sphinx]

Not implemented in simcraft afaik

Last i checked it did 0 damage, just agi

[waxen oyster]

sounds like that outlaw legendary

from legion

[woven knoll]

simulation points to 52 envenom casts in 5 minutes

how the fuck is this possible

[runic hinge]

Pressing my 4 hotkey 52 times in 5 minutes probably is how I’d do it

[stoic knoll]

hey fellas, does someone knows where to drop Shadow-Binding Ritual Knife trinket?

just saw some dudes are pumpin hard with that

but couldnt find where to drop

[faint path]

I'm sure its from delve

and I would never get it 😄

[inland escarp]

Casual is the opposite lol, outlaw before set, sub after

[indigo mulch]

Its from delv i got it earlier.

[stoic knoll]

ohh shitee

i need to do those solo content more often i guess

its op i assume right?

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, enjoy doing delve 8 solo as a rogue.

[stoic knoll]

did someone try it?

[faint path]

just do with pug so easy

[indigo mulch]

^

[gentle gyro]

[faint path]

dont bother yourself to do alone

[stoic knoll]

im a pug hero no worries

[gentle gyro]

i mean you CAN solo them. it's just 10 times harder than like any other class

[indigo mulch]

The mobs are close to one hitting me.

[twin bay]

get a tank buddy and let him go in first so his brann does crazy dam

[indigo mulch]

[stoic knoll]

ez game ez life sir

liked the idea

[inland escarp]

Honestly the trickster sub with hour long tricks onto brann makes the delves feel pretty easy

[twin bay]

also having a second person shaves off like 15mil hp from the endboss because fuck solo players lol

[inland escarp]

1 death out of my 4 8s last night was just zekvir coming off the top rope at the end of my pull 🙃

[sick bridge]

Soloing delves is pretty easy besides the one with the caster boss

And Bran randomly taking you out of stealth

[stoic knoll]

damn that happened to me as well

that fucker is hittin hard

[inland escarp]

Lmao he popped for me at the worst time and positioning imaginable, I just accepted my fate 😂

[cursive mortar]

What iLvl are you doing 8's at?

[inland escarp]

I did my first at like 585

[eternal hawk]

is cuastic spatter bugged out for anyone else rn? im doing grim batol and it isnt even applying

[tired panther]

Delve 8 is rough AF until you get Brann level 15+ - My brann is 23 now and he's absolutely destroying stuff now

[inland escarp]

You can level brann to 15 in non bountifuls as well

[worn badger]

do you run him as heals or dps

[stoic knoll]

nope good for me

check if you have poison or not lul

[flint tusk]

eww

[tired panther]

I run him as DPS for the most part, let him solo most stuff

[tough basalt]

And rupture on your target

[inland escarp]

Dps

His execute is pretty nice

[tired panther]

just throw a poisoned knife on stuff and let him cook

[cursive mortar]

That the way to do it?

[fluid swallow]

I did lvl 8 fungal folly as 570 ilvl pretty easy but gotta kite abit

[flint tusk]

fungal is a false sense of security

[gentle gyro]

last boss in fungal is a nightmare

[inland escarp]

Definitely the way is to tricks on him and just send everything his way, dudes a monster

[royal python]

For mutilate the crit chance is applied individually for each hand right

[flint tusk]

naa waterworks last boss. 2.9m basic attacks

[inland escarp]

Sub is nice for the bosses anyways

[tired panther]

waterworks last boss needs brann to be healer, can't outlive that AOE stuff

[gentle gyro]

yeah and if they don't kill you, the flame aoe will, eventually

i did it with dps

[tired panther]

wut, how do you even stay alive?

[gentle gyro]

you can feint the dmg, so you actually live it

[tired panther]

No dice for me, tried, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didnt

[gentle gyro]

cloak first, feint + vial 2nd, feint + potion 3rd

[tired panther]

I DID just discover that I can get Tricks though, which changes things

[gentle gyro]

and then he has to die

cannot live 4th

[flint tusk]

Only got him down to 25% at my best. the bosses damage against a lvl16 brann and me 594 was just too much. probably a bit too much utility in my spec plus my trinkets suck arse

[gentle gyro]

i also took a couple of tries, you can reset the fight by running out of the room

[arctic socket]

i mean

yeah

[gentle gyro]

without using up a revive

[hazy horizon]

[tired panther]

what in the world

[restive falcon]

since i dont wanna spend an assload of gold, should i buy 1 Authority of the Depths and 1 Authority of Radiant Power for both m+/raid

instead of buying 2 for each "mode"

[hazy horizon]

same delve kekw

[tired panther]

slow down bub

[restive falcon]

i feel the main stat would be good to have but dont feel like forking over ton of gold for 4 weps for 4 enchants

[nova aspen]

stonks 📈

[whole sand]

my trinkets are in such a bad place rn

[whole sand]

yikes

not that bad

[tired panther]

Can't decide whether or not to use it

it's 17 ilvls alone, might be a no-brainer really

[novel star]

im not rich

ingame or irl

i wanna use my gold on game time 😭

[clever sapphire]

I would personally not even bother with these expensive ass enchants until you get weapons that you will use for quite a while

[restive falcon]

i got champion track weapons rn so

[clever sapphire]

Ye thats gonna be replaced quick

[restive falcon]

my guild is paying for it i just am curious if i split them or not

[clever sapphire]

Would run a sim to see how much the difference is in st and in dslice

And decide based off of that

[steel jay]

!crafts

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[steel jay]

https://i.imgur.com/vZG0Xkt.png feels good man

[vast finch]

do u know how to make macro which whispers for pi when i use mark?

[mortal elm]

Do we know what tier piece we "wouldn't" want if given the choice

[fathom bone]

You should give this one a try instead of the spider trinket. It is really hitting good

[bitter solar]

chest

[kindred oriole]

So (don't flame me!), but should they just admit their mistake and put back Shadow Dance where it was in the main rogue tree?

I feel it was just more fun that what they are trying to do now.

[runic hinge]

You won’t find many who agree here

[south nest]

in the PTR patch when using shiv with supercharger it always empowers the first 2 combo points, is that intended?

[nova aspen]

[kindred oriole]

What was wrong with that gameplay?

[south nest]

or am i misunderstanding and any points you spend just count as 2 extra?

[fathom bone]

this is its dmg from a not so well played run, almost as much as kings bane overall

For some encounters it had 7% overalldmg

[runic hinge]

People don’t like snapshotting and don’t like dance because it’s associated with sub entirely in their brain

[south token]

how are they still not fixing deathstalker/ep

[runic hinge]

Cause they’re just deleting it in 2 months

[echo fox]

Guys one question, do we use the 5 pc of tier?

[sterile violet]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[kindred oriole]

Hmm I see.

[runic hinge]

I think the ptr changes to subterfuge are interesting

[feral mason]

it is a lil too nutty

[kindred oriole]

Isn't it a bit strong tho?

[feral mason]

12s master assassin / iron wire

[south nest]

the echoing reprimand stuff is def not working unless its always supposed to supercharge combo point 1/2

[kindred oriole]

This.

[feral mason]

Thats just visual

[south nest]

is it actually supercharging others?

[feral mason]

it “works” but interactions with ds are still bugged

[jade abyss]

I mean we wasnt doing any special with it except snapshoting or trigger carnage

[feral mason]

its just the next two finishers. Not specific cp counts

[remote trellis]

the imperfect ascendancy serum is simming higher than my other trinkets and im guessing you just pop it right before you go into your deathmark window?

[south nest]

ah gotcha, let me see if 4 will eat a darkness night proc

[feral mason]

it doesnt

doesnt consume marks either

[south nest]

madge

[feral mason]

they still have time but you’d think with the notes added onto it it’d be something they accounted for right off the bat

[south nest]

yea it seems like that was the intent

[fickle lotus]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[feral mason]

I think the DN not interacting will stay since it specifically phrases it as “maximum combo points”

but mark should probably work

[royal python]

Does mutilate strike independently with each dagger for a critical chance

[south nest]

i think DN should work since it says "counts as 2 extra combo points"...so it should effect max

[runic hinge]

Yes but people don’t like snapshotting because it’s unintuitive and hard to track

[jade abyss]

Im one of them i was thinking they removed snapshotting from the game simce idk cataclysm? And them comes sl with flag snappshotting and all the stuff?

[kindred oriole]

I actually liked the gameplay with flag in SL LOL

[jade abyss]

I like flag aswell i mean its a big statbuff

[kindred oriole]

I mean, I liked it in shadowlands. I'm happy it's not in the tree now.

In all honestly they could have thrown out these 4 covenant ability from the start of DF.

[fair nacelle]

hey i m new playing rogue whats the best venom for m+?

[viscid spear]

Question about Darkest Night.
It says when I cast Envenom with maximum CP, how does that work with Strategem? Does that mean I would have to use Envenom with 7 CP?

[kindred oriole]

Yes

[jade abyss]

Always deadly

[viscid spear]

So I have to get to 7 every time I use Envenom?

[gritty laurel]

only when you have DN up

[uncut orbit]

is this spec just cope in dungeons? tanks perma pulling so i cant stealth to garrote/mutilate multiple targets unless i spend vanish which is a whole 2 min so its not like i spend it on every pack. is this purely a leveling issue or what

[bronze dune]

!stealth

damn

[west crown]

Which hero spec is simming higher rn?

[bronze dune]

i thought that worked lol

[solar bramble]

Just realized dawnbreaker is in the m+ retation. . . See you all next season.

Rotation*

[viscid spear]

Is there a new WA that shows DN now? The one I have apparently does not

[cobalt sphinx]

sin is very strong and easy to play in dungeons

[gritty laurel]

chain pulling is always a good thing, if you're having issues with keeping up marks, switch to fatebound

[bronze dune]

from what ive seen, re-stealthing isnt super necessary

its definitely nice though

[uncut orbit]

im not sayin chain pulling is bad but like, tf am i meant to do? just aoe build then spend on mutilates one by one to make energy function?

[slate crown]

yes

CT fucks

[cobalt sphinx]

you have fan dawg

[gritty laurel]

you rupture to maintain energy and scent of blood then send it with caustic while maintaining CT

[cobalt sphinx]

ct, fan, and spatter are all good and don't need stealth

[bronze dune]

low keys feel bad coz shit dies too quick

[slate crown]

If a tank's version of "chaining" is "Heroic leap to the next pack and pull everyone in combat when a single mob has 0.4% hp left"

it's bad

[bronze dune]

once they get more health it wont feel as shit

[slate crown]

But if your tank knows what they're doing, they aren't doing that

and they're starting to chain way earlier, in which case it's good, for the key overall and you

and yeah, "keys" don't exist yet so

can't really feel what it feels like in the current content

[royal python]

PPL chatting like they got 100% crit with scoundrel running, let's see where they go when season opens

[uncut orbit]

hm okey, guess ill sit tight until mobs dont die in 5 sec

[runic hinge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[bronze dune]

have you done a m0 yet?

because it already feels way better in those than heroic

[hidden herald]

Was hyped for sin this season but the I checked raid logs and outlaw is slapping up. Question for people who have simmed like full bis Outlaw vs Sin, do we scale better with gear?

[cobalt sphinx]

sudden demise should blast in heroics though still

[quaint dragon]

compared to outlaw no

[hidden herald]

So outlaw is best for raid? O.o

[quaint dragon]

Yes

[hidden herald]

Sweet I don’t mind I love outlaw

It’s my time to shine

[shy pecan]

(1) tuning is still ongoing
(2) it’s heroic/normal
(3) mythic raid can require more need for burst.

[hidden herald]

True say true say

[slate crown]

im sorry for your loss

[shy pecan]

And if you’re not mythic raiding, then it doesn’t matter what you play.

[hollow lichen]

raidbots sims are using crimson tempest on single target, is this a thing now?

[woven shore]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[bronze dune]

just play whatever you find fun

[slate crown]

With momentum of despair

[hidden herald]

Hey I’m liking SIN just don’t wanna waste time gearing it. My guild won’t feed me mastery loot and daggers as well as swords/fist weps and versa

[shy pecan]

I mean you won’t waste time if you’re liking it.

[hidden herald]

True true

[shy pecan]

It’s solid still.

[hidden herald]

Yeah I was only behind arcane mage tonight

[woven torrent]

taking CT for silk council, does that make sense ??

[hidden herald]

Popped off on the council fight

[arctic tusk]

were people having a problem with cold blood macro on fatebound?

[spice spire]

Idk if it’s that good,
But me small brain. Caustic seems good for the fight but idk about CT

[hidden herald]

One thing I would say though… sometimes the death stalker buff was tricky around mechanics like intermission phases. Unpopular opinion but if they fix the ER bug it will be even more annoying to play around. You have to save vanish to reapply in emergencies which makes some the talent picks more obvious

[hidden herald]

Nah people don’t. You just take caustic and sanguine blades

[spice spire]

Which is kind of fine since vanish is kinda just

An extra application bot at this point

[hidden herald]

You dont have enough uptime on 3+ targets to warrant crimson tempest imo. Literally non of the top 100 parses on any boss play CT

[willow cloud]

brood will CT

[gritty laurel]

not the best idea, you want to maximize the value of edge case by using it after the first env post-dm

[hidden herald]

Hmmm maybe mythic? Those adds were dying very fast

[willow cloud]

if you're looking to pad, you will absolutely run CT in it, i agree that for prog, ST may be better

[spice spire]

Brood is definitely a CT fight if there is one.
Rest of them on an initial go around feel like at worst you go caustic

Which is the most negligible shift possible

[willow cloud]

agreed

[hidden herald]

We gaming boys

[spice spire]

Good stuff

[keen viper]

😮 teach me 😄

[bronze dune]

why would you want to chance to outlaw hahaha

[finite yarrow]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[bronze dune]

youre already doing great as ass

[hidden herald]

Because few bosses arcane mage was beating me and I want to be top dawg

[outer sundial]

pog

[still knoll]

Talent for m+, does anyone have it? because my build now doesnt go with arterial precision and I feel like I lose a lot of damage on boss 😦

[spice spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

Wowhead has a couple!

[spice spire]

Respect the grindset here, but counterpoint: outlaw stinky

[vocal minnow]

if youre top dawg with rogue your guild sucks

[spice spire]

Outlaw kinda pumping

Don’t think that’s a pretty accurate statement.
Now if ur hard pumping top as sin

Maybe

[hidden herald]

I agree with this statement. Sin is middle of park right now it seems

I used to raid at a high
Level but these days I just play with friends

[sick bridge]

What happened to personal loot from Shadowlands

My Rogue is completely fucked for pugging because no drops this week

[spice spire]

It died in shadowlands

[hidden herald]

Also 594 Ilvl kind of low

[runic hinge]

Fatebound or DS

[spice spire]

[hidden herald]

Fatebound

[spice spire]

[hidden herald]

Sorry

Not fatebound

[spice spire]

Oh I was like

God damn

[hidden herald]

Death stalker

[spice spire]

Luckiest mf if you’re 594

Makes sense

[hidden herald]

594 is good?

[spice spire]

No

[hidden herald]

Some peeps in our raid were 601 with 2 set

[spice spire]

I meant if you’re parsing at 594 with fatebound

[hidden herald]

ahh gotcha

[spice spire]

You had to have HELLa consecutive procs

[hidden herald]

Yeah I seem just get cloaks from delves so I’m kinda low

[runic hinge]

I had 14 in a delve earlier

Tails

[shy pecan]

tf