assassination

[grim jay]

Or you could invest that time into actually learning

[pine grove]

He better be blasting with the amount of ninja pulling his stupid monkey does.

[karmic sierra]

oh well, last time I had a real "main" char was in WOTLK probably xD so since then I always played what looked and feeled good but also was high in the list because otherwise I won´t get anything done with no team8s to play with

[terse orchid]

Maybe he was just WF and there was a different rogue in the same group outperforming him?

[fallen rampart]

lmao do you really think I'd waste my time photoshopping that? 😂

[sturdy stirrup]

it was a joke

[grim jay]

I mean fotm doesnt mean you are bad, there just are many bad examples

[fallen rampart]

Mate I'm getting older and I just don't have the same reflexes as when I played at 16. I'd rather spend my time configuring the APL to be good than hit the dummy for an hour, I do this shit for a living at work

[royal lantern]

bro, using NORMAL LOGS on week1 of a Patch when 80% of EU didnt even play it yet to prove a point is hilarious

[grim jay]

As a reference, are you older than 40?

[terse orchid]

Hekili made him do it

[royal lantern]

are you the guy that regulary posts in reddit how great hekili is and that world first raiders use it and that everyone should use ut

cus it gives me those vibes rn

[fallen rampart]

I'm 100% with you that hekili is not optimal, but implying that it's bad for the average raider who just wants CE after 3-4 months is not that bad

[raven egret]

"it works for me therefore it's good" hinges on a different definition of what is "good". Its not wrong but just not accurate in the grand scheme of things either

[fallen rampart]

No I'm not, I'm just saying it's bad to tell every average joe that Hekili is the devil 😂

[royal lantern]

i literally doesnt work for rogue

[terse orchid]

All you need to get CE is 19 other people willing to spend a stupid amount of time

[grim jay]

The average CE raider would do better without hekili than with it on rogue

[fallen rampart]

It's the only reference I have from this patch mate

[grim jay]

Based

[fallen rampart]

But well, as always the Hekili hate is strong, everyone thinks they're HoF raiders

[grim jay]

Nah you just dont get the statement

If you talk like that

[raven egret]

Way to dismiss everyone for disagreeing with you

[edgy mauve]

for ref. doesnt seem right to me

[raven egret]

Heard it here bois, we are all hall of famers!

[fallen rampart]

Well if the only response I get is "Hekili bad" then what do you expect? I'm repeating over and over that for THE AVERAGE player it's a useful tool

[mild night]

Hey, I got a champion track Regicide dagger. Should I send crests?

[grim jay]

You sacrificed 2 sockets there for the embellishment no?

[raven egret]

While ignoring the fact the AVERAGE player would do better learning without it

[worldly bridge]

Hey i'm about to craft my embellishment pieces or atleast 1 out 2 to make sure i dont waste anything when the vault drops but i'm confused about the different infos

[karmic sierra]

that implies that he has time and interest in learning it

[grim jay]

Did you check the pins?

[edgy mauve]

nop 2 same pvp rings without sockets same stats / ilvl just one with emb. one without

[worldly bridge]

Pins and Wohead seems to not say the same thing

That's my point u didnt let me finish my message lol

[raven egret]

They would still do better without, that's just how it is, doesn't change that fact

[karmic sierra]

no they wouldn´t if the alternative is to press what ever they feel like xD

[grim jay]

Im always quick

[fathom minnow]

i bet we go 2x dawnthread if we wanna play m+ and raid

only raid prob daggers better

[worldly bridge]

From pins it looks like if money and recrafting is not an issue i understand it as "Go dagger ascension then recraft once it gets nerfed"

[fallen rampart]

They wouldn't sorry I think you're severely underestimating how bad the average player is.

[balmy condor]

Thanks forgot to delete pin when season launched

[raven egret]

I swear it's like some of you don't read more than 2 words we write

[balmy condor]

!craft

[grim jay]

Doesnt work

[balmy condor]

Moroes

[grim jay]

Bot dead

[balmy condor]

For fucks same

[raven egret]

Moroes dead again

[surreal citrus]

if only hekili told people what posts to make too

[karmic sierra]

Did read it all, doesn´t change anything x)

[pine grove]

Facts. Doesn't matter how well you can stab if you can't get 19 other people to watch you do it.

[haughty sand]

!craft

[grim jay]

#assassination message did you read that?

[haughty sand]

So in the end whats the crafting and embelishment gameplan? What seems to be the best

[balmy condor]

Dawn or ascension

[prime cairn]

does campaign skipping still brick your 80 out of a one time quest

[royal lantern]

the differences are neglecatble

[raven egret]

I'm dual dawn threading, personally. Safe bet

[mild night]

is champion track regicide worth spending harbinger crests?

[worldly bridge]

Ok ty so Wowhead is up to date and all is good ? Also you said we should use Dawnthread x2 but the comment section on the embellish is kinda scary. Ppl say its bugged or doesnt stack

[balmy condor]

Yeah that dude is an idiot

[fathom minnow]

thats not true?

[balmy condor]

You just have to drop under 80%

[grim jay]

Thats old and easily fixable

[fathom minnow]

its just bugged man

[balmy condor]

And it’ll stack

[royal lantern]

wowhead comments

[native escarp]

some nice pieces tonight

[crisp stream]

Damn

[worldly bridge]

aight thx !

[crisp stream]

Went hc and nm no jack mamba dropped

[faint path]

waow

[raven egret]

Brother, I only got 1 map and it gave me a belt

[native escarp]

this was from raid haha

i also did get lucky in delves today act tho

[faint path]

What's map for?

[native escarp]

it gives you a bonus chest in ur next tier 8 delve

610 ilvl

[faint path]

waow

[raven egret]

Yeah we got second raid night tomorrow, 2nd boss onward, hoping for good stuff

[worldly bridge]

Hey also while we talking about wowhead stuff, this thing isnt working to me. The talent import thingy doesnt include CT

[royal lantern]

like, im making wrist+belt with dawn tonight after raid, if i dont have a dagger drop in 2 weeks i make myself a dagger aswell cus mainhand upgrade

the end

[brisk plank]

both from the map?

[balmy condor]

Yeah I emergency removed CT cause it sucks on that fight but the text hasn’t updated yet cause it’s stuck in edit hell

[raven egret]

Yeah making wrists tomorrow, might wait for belt I now have a 610h in that damn slot... Or do the belt first...

[balmy condor]

Text updates maybe hopefully within the next hour or two

[pine grove]

Any weird bugs with Fatebound? Sims about 1% behind DS, but if it doesn't have the horrible inconsistencies I might just take the hit until it's sorted.

[balmy condor]

Cold blood takes priority over edge case if you consider that a bug

So you gotta time your cold blood

Other than that it’s fine

[pine grove]

Ah, so got to use up your CB flips before DM or vice-versa?

[grim jay]

Can free farm anyways in m+

Unlikely you dont get one

[strange python]

Any1 knows if transmitter trinket good for assa?

[balmy condor]

Cb after

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s absolute aids to play

[raven egret]

This is cursed statement and you know it!

[pine grove]

Sweet. Cheers for that.

[normal mist]

@balmy condor great, quick and informative video. Thanks for the good work you do for the community once again

[royal lantern]

[strange python]

I try fatebound assa in dungeon, feels good, is it ok to macro cold blood w/ envenom?

[raven egret]

What's the mini game for it anyway?

[balmy condor]

[raven egret]

Btw this emote is bis

[balmy condor]

One of three mini games, either jump, catch orb, or stand in circle

[royal lantern]

3 options

jump 3x

go to a circle and stand in it for a couple seconds

soak orbs around you

the circle and orb can be unusable on some fights

[balmy condor]

As long as you don’t cast it before dm or before your edge case

[raven egret]

That's... Eww... Ok.

[royal lantern]

and is better then

[balmy condor]

It’s branch but far worse

[royal lantern]

[raven egret]

Definitely

[balmy condor]

And branch was notably bis

And this isn’t

[royal lantern]

and it also has a very low chance to spawn an add

[balmy condor]

Crazy effort for second best trinket

[royal lantern]

like, VERY low, but still

[raven egret]

Definitely meme material

[errant night]

/craft

!craft

wat

[royal lantern]

got the grim batol trinket on my first run, max upgraded it, time to vibe

[normal mist]

I wanna do that too :3

[raven egret]

Moroes is dead

[normal mist]

He's sleeping

[errant night]

rip

[raven egret]

WTF give it to me

[balmy condor]

My pug for grim batol today took 45 minutes

[rotund oak]

mine is surely on my vault

[balmy condor]

They didn’t know mechanics

[rotund oak]

[raven egret]

How. The mechanics are like hyper visible now

[balmy condor]

Dude first boss they just stood in the purple line and got crushed

[rotund oak]

lol

[balmy condor]

Second boss they pulled it with 3 add packs and the tank didn’t kite and got clobbered

[raven egret]

I say that but every tank got mauled by the second boss in my groups so

[balmy condor]

Third boss the warrior charged into his fixate add

Twice

[dapper cradle]

I like when the second boss goes up on the dragon and eats the DS mark

[errant night]

question: we should go to grim batol, ara-kara and siege of boralus for trinkets?

[midnight atlas]

i never been inside grim batol, i only died 7 times

[dapper cradle]

Do you just sit on DN there until he phases?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[errant night]

thank you

[main hemlock]

which one do you mean is branch just worse?

a trinket?

[raven egret]

I don't wanna use sac brood, it's gross

[balmy condor]

Yes but I play fatebound so get fucked

[tall jay]

Are we moving away from the bleed build now?

[balmy condor]

Transmitter

[royal lantern]

you keep cds for that anyway and just vanish->ambush->garrote lol

[errant night]

but i hate dungs so much..

[rotund oak]

if u cant reset ye..

[dapper cradle]

Rip me

[royal lantern]

like, the Fight starts when he mounts up lol

why waste cds

[dapper cradle]

Yeah but you can’t stealth

[main hemlock]

ohh thought u were talking about skardyns grace

[royal lantern]

V A N I S H

[balmy condor]

You vanish

[dapper cradle]

So it’s a vanish or DN save angle

Yeye

[raven egret]

Ok so did anyone else get the random ass cases where you consume your last DS mark, Darkest night pops up but immediately vanishes and you lose your mark completely

[balmy condor]

Not having vanish for boss

[midnight atlas]

i went full dm + kb and then he phased, i didnt even knew mechanics. i was stuck auto attacking for a minute

[dapper cradle]

Yes this shit happens sometimes

[raven egret]

It happened more than once to me, and I am no fan

[rotund oak]

ye couple of times

its cringe

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

How are you guys managing that

[royal lantern]

sometimes it just poofs midfight

[raven egret]

I was sitting staring at Ansurek's big ass waiting for vanish -_-

[rotund oak]

they need to fix the mark..

dear lord some times its annoying

[dapper cradle]

Legit fighting back tears when mark disappears

[balmy condor]

It happened to me once cause I was dumb as shit and just kept rupturing

But like

How do you get into this situation without fatfingering

[raven egret]

Am not, going fatebound next night probably. Too many issues with DS with that happening

It just happen

[royal lantern]

had it happen 2x in a boss Fight on the m0 worldtour that i did my DN envenom and it just poofs away

and no, its not the "apply a mark with DN up and consume DN+3rd mark at the same time" thung

[rotund oak]

happened on me on rashanan,cringed until the fight was over

[balmy condor]

TWICE?

[raven egret]

Like I don't know what else to say, DN just NOPES out

[royal lantern]

yes

[balmy condor]

Bro what

[royal lantern]

just going away

like 40sec into a boss fight

[rotund oak]

yup it vanishes

[dapper cradle]

I’ll consume dn and it won’t reapply marks on bosses sometimes

[rotund oak]

its shy

[royal lantern]

no logs for it sorry, was m0 runs

otherwhise would give them

[raven egret]

I thought I was insane yesterday but I see I ain't alone now

[dapper cradle]

I honestly started sobbing when that shit happened

[rotund oak]

thats a thing for a while though

its not new,just rare

[sturdy stirrup]

is it hard to play fatebound

[errant night]

will it be any good? and will i be able to recraft it later with an enchanted crest?

[tall jay]

I play fb bleed build in m0 atm,

[rotund oak]

sin in m0s though

rets watch the mobs and they die

[cobalt geyser]

Happened to me like twice during raid that mark just vanished and I was like wtf is this

[rotund oak]

dks the same

[tall jay]

Cause I don’t understand NS

[rotund oak]

you mean DS

[tall jay]

Yep

See

[rotund oak]

its irritating but the fat envenoms are real

[raven egret]

DS is really, the best descriptive I have for it, rough around the edges

FB is just flat out boring (and I hate it thematically), so... what do. I make do!

[cobalt geyser]

Yesterday was funny tho second boss dropped 3 daggers and priness 2 but I was the only rogue in group the raid was like I need to go kill myself

[rotund oak]

dont mind personally,i think fatebound is cool and all and u dont have to worry for the stupid mark

[tall jay]

I need easy and boring. My old 🧠 don’t work with complicated stuff anymore

[rotund oak]

as if we have to ambush=>gar=>rup

[errant night]

!craft

[rotund oak]

devs taking the gar 1st global

they take our fun

[raven egret]

If I liked FB thematically I'd be fine with it being boring, I think. Its just a super combo for me XD

[rotund oak]

its the easiest way to perform i think,i kinda like all 3 tries for their strengths individually

but deathstalker mark needs some love

its stupid now

press gar apply mark

[terse orchid]

Good thing base sin is dope af

[raven egret]

absolutely

wouldnt replace my rogue for anything regardless of hero talent woes

[terse orchid]

It's what keeps me going when I see ret hero talents and deathbringer frost

[rotund oak]

lightsmith actually

[tall jay]

Yep, guild wanted me to play warrior this tier but I told them. I

[raven egret]

wtf

[tall jay]

No

[rotund oak]

but i like herald more

[raven egret]

change guild

[terse orchid]

As long as slayer outperforms mountain thane, fk em

[raven egret]

aint nobody disrespect the rogue union like that

[cobalt geyser]

Well Frost have 2 fucking big scythes and we have a little coin toss I am like

[tall jay]

Right!

[raven egret]

Yeah, why can't we at least like, I don't know.. throw pocket sand in their faces

[clever sapphire]

you forgot the purple X over the deathstalker mob

[raven egret]

Sorry my nameplates don't know what you are talking about

[cobalt geyser]

I would love to have roulette above my head too that would be funny af

[urban heart]

finisher at 5+ always right?

[raven egret]

correct

[manic pebble]

Show them what rogue can do

[golden loom]

Played combat swords in classic so only thing I dislike about Sin rogue in retail is having to use dumb little daggers 😔

[raven egret]

1- WoW daggers are more like short swords
2- GTFO OUT OF HERE YOU CLOSET YELLOW OUTLAW

[tall jay]

Dumb question here: the hero talents don’t change based on content correct ie st aoe , just our normal talent trees

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cobalt geyser]

Yesterday parsed at 85/90 but was like 6th dps as we had 2 arcanes and 2 frosts and one affli ahead of me I was sad af

[raven egret]

We knew we would be aggressively mid coming in

[tall jay]

Ok ty, sir

[raven egret]

its fine

[queen egret]

in scenarios where there is not a big mob to cleave off, but rather a lot of small adds that die rather quick, like 2. boss or last boss in the raid - how do you guys normally go about doing the most amount of damage on them?

[raven egret]

the raid also has adds profile that really wont help us number wise, context is key we're still fine

[queen egret]

or even 1. boss

[whole sand]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-pig-bart-bbq-gif-18230462

[raven egret]

CT harder

[tall jay]

Yea I was 75 parsing and had pally and lock above me, no DKs or warriors in the raid though lol

[raven egret]

or wait in raid?

[balmy condor]

I usually scroll tiktok until it’s my turn to play the game

[queen egret]

you dont play CT in raid

lol

[raven egret]

yeah just play tetris or something

[queen egret]

but really, do you just rupture one and get caustic up asap?

[raven egret]

your warlock will take care of it

[balmy condor]

Ye

Fok and rup/envenom stuff

[arctic socket]

Just slam those buttons

[cobalt geyser]

Damn

That are some good shit parses

[sturdy stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281352663807819806/1283713988944986132/image.png?ex=66e3ff51&is=66e2add1&hm=2e52cb355c40f1944045cdea417e56746d975dd0ddf113e1ceef69fbff457f8a&

[sturdy stirrup]

like this ?

[arctic socket]

Yuuuh

[raven egret]

I can see 6 mistakes there

[balmy condor]

Your sub seems questionable

[umbral pike]

I slammed buttons, it didnt work, maybe I need to slam harder

[arctic socket]

What in the

[balmy condor]

Yikes

[whole sand]

[midnight atlas]

you bought normal boost probably

[raven egret]

My pots macro didnt work all evening and I didnt realize;

[errant night]

try hekili next time 😄

[sturdy stirrup]

i tried trickster and fucked up xd

[umbral pike]

nah its with my guild, just my first expac playing rogue so I am incompetent

[arctic socket]

I’m just happy to hit a exetremly high 99

[cobalt geyser]

We had one arcane with 590 gear that did like 200k overall dps on every boss

[manic pebble]

Can I see your gears?

[balmy condor]

[raven egret]

to be fair with everyone gearing up, parses don't mean much right now

[balmy condor]

I didn’t know it was possible to do that little on arcane

[royal lantern]

your brain on fotm tierlist chasing

[arctic socket]

[balmy condor]

Our arcane mage is simming for like 1.2 mil already

[whole sand]

that's very brave of you keep pumping king everyone in here is a giant nerd

[raven egret]

He was playing with one hand or somethign?

[cobalt geyser]

He had every parse under 5 I was like wtf is this

[umbral pike]

I also didnt enchant my weps are was the only rogue without a 600 dagger

[balmy condor]

He’s doing crazy dps

[sturdy stirrup]

whispyr adopt me and whenever i get yellow blue parse beat me so i can learn hard way

[cobalt geyser]

It was one random friend of one of the guildies but damn it was hard to watch

[balmy condor]

I don’t beat disappointments I just ignore them

[sturdy stirrup]

nooooooo

[umbral pike]

Take me under your wing like Jiraiya and Naruto

[midnight atlas]

dont worry guys, logs are full of outlaw, many people will swap today, then we can parse as sin easier

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

Why would you want to be under whispyrs wings? D: He'll just force you to shotgun soft drinks

[arctic socket]

idk who wanted the gear page but there it is

@balmy condor daddy take me under your wing and coach me ❤️

[balmy condor]

We chug vodka redbulls in this house

[whole sand]

sac player

[umbral pike]

I can handle it

[balmy condor]

[arctic socket]

lmao

[umbral pike]

well at least Im nbot the worst player

[dapper cradle]

[balmy condor]

Yo he’s cracked, rank 7

[raven egret]

CLOAK AND BOOTS ENCHANTS BOY

[dense cloud]

is there a pin on what tier we need? like, what slot

[raven egret]

4 of them. You need 4 of them

[vale lantern]

I have a bad habit of hitting shiv after i DN envenom instead of before how do I beat it out of me

[balmy condor]

Me when I have a mental breakdown but my friend sends me a sick clip he hit

[normal mist]

XD

[dense cloud]

Yeah 4 but what slot lmfao

[normal mist]

Whatever slot

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[sturdy stirrup]

when will enchants be like 2 k gold each

[balmy condor]

4 of the 5

[raven egret]

Definitely 4 of them

[normal mist]

Just have 4

[umbral pike]

build a small robot arm that punches you in the face everytime you mess up

[arctic socket]

I’m poor do it for me

[cobalt geyser]

@balmy condor how is FB looking in m+ ? Wanted to play DS but oh man it sucks af, is there a big diff between them?

[vale lantern]

Ohh that could be good

[arctic socket]

They don’t also Increase dps so

[balmy condor]

Damage is similar but you get less prio and less defensive

[raven egret]

Survivability == Living == DPS
Now get to it

[normal mist]

Once people understand why the answer to "what stats does assassination want" is "yes", this channel will be so much quieter

[arctic socket]

I don’t die

[balmy condor]

That’s what you fucking think

[normal mist]

I CAN DREAM

[umbral pike]

what stats does assassination want

[sturdy stirrup]

!stats

wake up bot

[raven egret]

[clever sapphire]

yes

[balmy condor]

You’re so new and naive royal it’s kinda cute

[umbral pike]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-crosshair-the-war-is-over-war-is-over-war-gif-25589650

[sturdy stirrup]

wish whispyr called me cute :(

[vale lantern]

Now hear me how what if I ended up with 0 vers

[jade echo]

is the ER + death mark bug pached ?

[balmy condor]

Parse better you ugly fuck you’re no son of mine

[arctic socket]

What about me

[normal mist]

I've been here for some years now : 😭

[tall jay]

Got to twitch sub lol

[whole sand]

no they couldn't fix it so they just removed ER

[arctic socket]

[balmy condor]

Sorry who is this

[arctic socket]

Bro got me btagged

[vale lantern]

What if I twitch raid instead

[arctic socket]

And hit me with that

[balmy condor]

I did some cleaning

[arctic socket]

I’m still on there

[tall jay]

Ooh I bet that would work too

[balmy condor]

You are

[balmy condor]

I like the pfp though :3

[tall jay]

Maybe, can’t answer for him though lol

[vale lantern]

I did the other night though I think I’m owed being called cute 🙄

[arctic socket]

Can’t wait to do my daily shift of grim batol n siege when I get off of work

[sturdy stirrup]

its me thank you

[balmy condor]

Is that you in the picture

[vale lantern]

From like 2020 😂

I really never update my picture

[balmy condor]

You got some luscious hair Jesus

[raven egret]

hair

[balmy condor]

My hair is aight

I hide it with color

[vale lantern]

I got 12” cut off and it was still to my shoulder blades 3 months ago

[balmy condor]

Okay now you’re just showing off

[tall pelican]

whats a good site to copy talent point per Boss?

[sturdy stirrup]

im gonna do it one day and become your first son

[balmy condor]

Wowhead.com

[raven egret]

btw video reminded me, did the Iron Wire doomers already pass by with that 1s duration reduction?

[main hemlock]

wtf

[umbral pike]

whispyr's harsh words to Fu has inspired me

[balmy condor]

My gf would enjoy that, her sister has 3 daughters

[tawny geyser]

ey Whisp, how's the situation on the sparks so far? I'm still keeping both of mine until you say smt.

[main hemlock]

u need to be punished for not playing wow in english

[final star]

we running double shiv now boys

[raven egret]

I might be french canadian but theres a reason I don't play the game in french XD

[final star]

it's over

[balmy condor]

Send it yolo

[vale lantern]

After it was cut

[balmy condor]

YOO

It looks so healthy

I can only dream

[proud mason]

My friends play with the game language set to french so it's easier not having to translate everything

[main hemlock]

All guides are writte in english idk why anyone would play any other language

[proud mason]

casuals

[main hemlock]

fair enough

[proud mason]

google translate exists too lol

[raven egret]

I legit can't take the name of Stormwind seriously, in its french version

[balmy condor]

No, they’re too busy taking a 0.4% dps increase or something idk the m+ community makes no fucking sense

[arctic socket]

Hair pics for free

[woven shore]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[arctic socket]

Dam

[proud mason]

you can translate a whole wowhead guide with good enough fidelity

[vale lantern]

That’s as my first time cutting it in a year the previous time I went 4 years without cutting it (got out of the military and let it grow)

[main hemlock]

fr facts

[balmy condor]

Good reason to let it grow tbh

[vale lantern]

One day you can have long hair too I believe

[ashen rover]

Hurlevent

[balmy condor]

My hair doesn’t grow fast enough :(

Also looks weird when I don’t dye it and then the roots come in and just messy

Idk

[proud mason]

why does the wowhead m+ deathstalker build takes rushed setup instead of shadowrunner +20% ms in stealth ? can't fathom that

[balmy condor]

My gf complains when I grow it out

[vale lantern]

2016 me in the military

[balmy condor]

What does 20% stealth ms do

[arctic socket]

Guy on the right is a mood

[proud mason]

what does -20% energy on kidney do ? i assure you most people would do way better with ms

[balmy condor]

YEOUCH THAT HAIRLINE

[balmy condor]

Then play that

[normal mist]

Bro looks GOOD

[main hemlock]

bro was getting rdy for irl raid

[vale lantern]

I considered dying my hair but honestly I’m to paranoid It’ll fall out but the inital growing of it toon a while now it goes to my butt in like 1 year

[arctic socket]

That’s ALOT of hair

[vale lantern]

True but it’s much better now haha stil eh but not as bad 😂

[ashen rover]

mine is at the end of my back

[sturdy stirrup]

i was so strong so god had to nerf me so now im both ugly and bad parsing ez

[round nexus]

As soon as i get home i'm changing to MS ^^

[vale lantern]

True I was raiding Petra

[proud mason]

for sure i'm playing that, why is it in the guide tho the only spell you'd use frequently is kidney, it litteraly saves 30 energy for the whole dungeon, DEAD talent

[raven egret]

wut

the WHOLE dungeon?

you kidney shot 5 times per dungeons? Systematically?

[balmy condor]

Well first off, cause it’s a utility point that doesn’t matter, and second off, you’re giving me an option between an out of combat benefit versus an in combat benefit. I’m not going to ever suggest an out of combat benefit given that choice, because that’s silly

[proud mason]

Are you hung up on the usage of the word litteraly ? that's so 2016

[raven egret]

And I mean all the power to you utility nodes are whatver

[proud mason]

it's litteraly 6 energy per kidney

[raven egret]

Nah I'm just poking fun at the idea that movement speed somehow makes it better XD

[balmy condor]

Better than getting no energy

[terse orchid]

Yikes

[proud mason]

Yikes is worse tbh

[rotund oak]

[normal mist]

Moving faster so you can spend more time WAITING for the rest of the party

[raven egret]

Thats cringe

[dense cloud]

gigachad

[raven egret]

They should give us all grappling hook

[balmy condor]

Taking 20% out of combat movespeed is like those mfers that slam the accelerator the moment the light turns green and you watch them get stuck at the very next light

[normal mist]

Hey I just said that

[rotund oak]

press ur engi bomb and u good

who cares

[raven egret]

Engi nitro boost ftw

[rotund oak]

also that

[vale lantern]

My guild decided to go stupid work on heroic instead of princess so no weapon chance for me this week unless I pug:(

[balmy condor]

Does shadowrunner even work with subterfuge if we take it in 11.0.5

I’m pretty sure they didn’t add it to subterfuge

[rotund oak]

good question

[proud mason]

take unbreakable stride then, pretty much anything would be better than rushed setup imo, you only get value from it with kidney since you always open with ambush

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[terse orchid]

Whoa whoa whoa no need to take potshots at me

[balmy condor]

Thanks for your input

[raven egret]

We really need to fix that damn sheet its triggering me; regular spark go to 606

[terse orchid]

Engi truly is the Chad profession

[tawny geyser]

Not only because of gadgets...but I made 4mil on it so far.

[grim jay]

You need to hear the sound of your engine

[rotund oak]

engi+orc=gigachad

[native escarp]

2pc heroic too

feelsgoodman

[subtle tundra]

what are the chances new subterfuge is good for st?

[rotund oak]

math is mathing

[terse orchid]

Laughs in electric

[native escarp]

good piece

[rotund oak]

its 1.2% but gz

[native escarp]

thats 1.2% more than i had

[balmy condor]

Based

[rotund oak]

very true

[raven egret]

You can't be serious, brah

[native escarp]

whats sub 2 set again i forgot

oh shi

[balmy condor]

More than 1.2%

[native escarp]

subs is pretty big

20% sec tech

[raven egret]

Nice! 10% of 0 is till 0, but NICE!

[balmy condor]

Sub actually has a real set bonus

[native escarp]

[proud mason]

I am, stated my opinion, obviously people here dont like theirs challenged without taking the piss

[native escarp]

how cringe is rash for DS tho

i should have played FB

cringe as fuck

[raven egret]

Nah mate, you are not saying 'I prefer using this' you are saying 'USE THIS CAUSE YOUR PICK SUCKS'

sooo

get rekt

[balmy condor]

It just actually doesn’t matter man you’re getting so mad over 3 points that do jack shit

[raven egret]

nobody cares which utility node you pick really

[balmy condor]

Untalent the point for all I care

You’d get the same experience playing improved wound poison

[raven egret]

dont mind me just jelly, all I got is a belt and nothing to catalyze

[native escarp]

bro

i got spooned

weapon, and 2 set

[balmy condor]

🥄 ?

[vale lantern]

I just pretend I don’t have kidney shot someone else stun I got damage buttons to hit

[rotund oak]

yo improved wound is actually super good

[terse orchid]

Literally strangest take ever

[native escarp]

[raven egret]

See, this? I can respect

[balmy condor]

Okay pvper

[vale lantern]

Plus I play with an outlaw rogue if they want kidney so bad she can do it

[rotund oak]

[errant night]

guys guys guys what's the best embellishment for Rune-branded wrists and belt? for raids mainly

[proud mason]

My initial question was why X instead X, you don't like your opinions challenged that's fine

[balmy condor]

Dawnthread

[balmy condor]

I told you why though

[narrow basalt]

Mmmyes

[balmy condor]

I literally explained it

[errant night]

thanks. and secondary stats? DS btw

mastery and haste i think

[whole sand]

no missive

be brave

[narrow basalt]

Stop making sense, it’s too confusing.

[raven egret]

guy proceed to tell everyone else they are wrong cause he didn't like the answer

[rotund oak]

those priests wanna altf4 after 30sec with imp wound 😍

[errant night]

wat

[whole sand]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[balmy condor]

You just don’t like my explanation about why I put a point into useless talent #1 instead of useless talent #2 or useless talent #3

Like what the fuck are you even arguing here

[vale lantern]

-100k crafting a dagger today i wasnt about to risk no missive on that

[narrow basalt]

Literally unhealable. Priest-killer talent.

[arctic socket]

This was a move

[errant night]

mastery and haste then

thx

[narrow basalt]

Sin carry

[balmy condor]

I have to put a point somewhere, neither of them do anything, I pick the one that gives in combat benefit

It’s that simple

[vale lantern]

If I can make a recommendation if anyone wants to craft a dagger it’s prob cheaper to level a blacksmith to 100 make the alloys rather than buying them

[whole sand]

what ilvl is that dagger?

[raven egret]

I'm doing bracers + belt first myself, got to find the rare leatherworkers out there

[vale lantern]

619 🙂

[whole sand]

wait we can get 619s?

[raven egret]

Runed Crests from heroic

[vale lantern]

Uh when i wakeup tomorrow I can do your belt if you still need

[whole sand]

ohhh

i hate crafting so much man

[vale lantern]

Wait you might not be in my server nvm I’m dumb

[raven egret]

Unless you a stormrage gamer XD

[balmy condor]

Server only crafting actually sucks so bad

[proud mason]

I'm not arguing all these talents choices don't matter, the talent tree is the same for "open world", you think most sin rogues would benefit more from -6 energy to the occasional kidney than 20% stealth ms while doing wq etc ? dont really matter either way but if you want to shut me down because my opinion sucks prove it

[balmy condor]

I didn’t realize how shit it was until I transferred to low pop

[vale lantern]

I’m a sargeras loser 😦 but if u need you can join guild and i can craft it that way and u can go back to your old guild

[vale lantern]

Atleast you can cross server guild craft

[balmy condor]

Yes, I do think that

Kidney is on cooldown in delves for me

I don’t need movespeed during world quests

I have infinite shadowstep and can mount

[vale lantern]

Some tanks in dungeons just dont allow you to restealth too

[balmy condor]

Also saying I should change the raid talents because of world quest optimizations is frankly insane

That’s your best argument?

[arctic socket]

He said a cursed thing

[raven egret]

LOL

I didnt even think about that one

[kind forge]

Oh boy

[grim jay]

Kinda american aswell, ngl

[rotund oak]

hahahahahahaha

based

[balmy condor]

Snark me all you want but don’t puff out your chest about some useless fucking talents and then ask me to make some highly intellectual stance defending it

When you show up with “but maybe world quests”

[proud mason]

of course not, talking about the open world talents here, did you write the guide ? you put whatever you want in there it's not mine, in my humble peasant non-mod opinion, most sin people would benefit more from another talent, in open world (not raid ST)

[balmy condor]

They would not

again

I just explained this

[arctic socket]

Why does open world even matter

[balmy condor]

For delves you are kidney shotting

Constantly

[worldly bridge]

Any WA pack already out for trinket ? I've got 2 of the weird on use idk if i should play them

[balmy condor]

On cooldown

[raven egret]

Its insane, man, all you had to do was to just go 'oh ok thats why you did that, thanks for answering, I still prefer the movement speed'

But no, homeboy went "DEAD TALENT"

[balmy condor]

You don’t need movespeed for that

[grim jay]

Who is running around stealthed in open world if you can just mount up and fly

[balmy condor]

This guy apparently

[subtle tundra]

world pvp andies

[native heron]

sorry for being the 1000000000000000 person to ask this. how is sin doing currently? wondering if i should come back and play sin or just learn another class.

[balmy condor]

Sin is good

[normal mist]

Learn another class

[rotund oak]

its cool

[arctic socket]

Play fury warrior

[raven egret]

You did not just....

[normal mist]

Arcane mage

[balmy condor]

Based

[rotund oak]

ill pick shaco and gank u

[native heron]

Tyvm sir. I appreciate you.

[vale lantern]

I personally and having fun and enjoying it and it feels good and my numbers aren’t boomkin or firemage level so I’m happy

[balmy condor]

BASED

[faint path]

Dude when I was bursting boss my KB literally lost there was no KB on boss literally bugs

[arctic socket]

[zinc kernel]

Guys, do you think its safe to craft one item ?

[normal mist]

It is

No police around

[raven egret]

You'll survive the process

[balmy condor]

Np, appreciate a normal interaction in 2024 have a good day

[normal mist]

AHAHAHAH

[still steeple]

its very risky

you could lose a toe

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[arctic socket]

A good shaco support that places boxes directly in my hook path make me wanna scream

[grim jay]

You might wanna interact with deez nuts if you want something normal, because they are anything but special

[rotund oak]

ik but fury warrior makes wanna scream as well,wanna kill them

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

[kind forge]

[grim jay]

But why

[proud mason]

you're just glazing here, you might think open world doesn't matter but then having a build up for it doesn't matter either and this argument doesn't serve on side or the other but this is going nowhere i'll see myself out

[rotund oak]

coz F fury warriors

[kind forge]

Odyns fury I suppose

[rotund oak]

thats why

[grim jay]

I mean based but why

[elfin hazel]

Dual-wielding two-handers is wrong and stupid. Change my mind

[rotund oak]

coz they arent allowed to live when im around thats why

[normal mist]

I mean true

[raven egret]

bro here started the argument, but take care buddy, have a nice day

[native heron]

You too! ❤️

[frosty portal]

Is tea on GCD?

[raven egret]

2 spark cost to craft a 2 hander, they cooked

[grim jay]

Btw if you really wanna enjoy any warrior spec, you gotta download leatrix plus and disable the stupid yelling shit

[dire marten]

no

[rotund oak]

no its not

[proud mason]

I appreciate your fake ass sympathy 💅 take care too

[arctic socket]

Go enjoy your movement speed talent and normal prog brotha

[balmy condor]

I cannot keep explaining this over and over

I solo’d a 10 on assa with the build, out of combat movespeed is not an issue, kidney shot is used constantly, so I recommend kidney shot energy

[blissful spire]

anyone able to clear zekvir lair

[still steeple]

i bet u dont listen to the ingame music that some underpaid blizzard employee slaved over for weeks

[blissful spire]

i feel like its a cracked boss

im also bad tho

[raven egret]

wtf is that emoji, nail care? wth

[grim jay]

Thats true, ye

Only rarely

[vital hound]

But what about world quests

[rotund oak]

we wiped on 6%,its pretty hard and my group kinda ''geared''

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

the frontal vortex thingy hurts

[balmy condor]

Won’t anyone think of the world quests

[frosty portal]

Mole people

[blissful spire]

my best run was also a 5% with 3 dps using a shaman elemental to tank

[grim jay]

What about pickpocketing wax

[vital hound]

[storm hedge]

Whispyr are you ever sleeping? What time is it for you?

[royal lantern]

i just use a random m+ build for worldstuff and delves lol

[arctic socket]

Move speed for wax might be the move

[raven egret]

Wax meta yes, very important

[blissful spire]

every 5 man i joined felt impossible

[proud mason]

Enjoy what you can, i'm not the one glazing 24/7 on discord

[balmy condor]

I should make a fourth build on wowhead called “open world not delves”

[grim jay]

Add wax to the name

[balmy condor]

No one is glazing here you’re just a very strange man

[normal mist]

Some people genuinely have fun here

[grim jay]

Dang you just assumed their gender

[balmy condor]

I’ve never seen someone get so worked up over a utility point

[kind forge]

[stoic pendant]

Does sin target swap a lot to apply bleeds?

[elfin hazel]

Thoughts?

[grim jay]

Decent

[arctic socket]

Their characters name is probably sonic

[storm hedge]

I hate the channel but seems strong

[royal lantern]

imperfect

[balmy condor]

A lot compared to what

[still steeple]

compared to afk on 1 target

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/yoongi2swag-gif-22464848

[stoic pendant]

Just in general are they target swapping to apply bleeds

[balmy condor]

Yes

[raven egret]

Who uses glazing in 2024, thats so whatever year it was. Maybe. I don't know I'm an old man

[elfin hazel]

Oh shit true...

[stoic pendant]

Ight ty

[storm hedge]

imo good if it's that big of an ilvl upgrade. But replace with same ilvl

[toxic sparrow]

Guys, question regarding the BiS crafted items. On Wowhead and Icy veins they recommend different items (belt and boots) with different stats. Any thoughts?

[storm hedge]

Also Sim yoself

[elfin hazel]

It would replace a 580 signet of the priory

[balmy condor]

Gotta rizz the sigmas or whatever

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[raven egret]

stats, sim yoself

[wispy bane]

Is it me or do I see less and less assa rogues? All the streamers play either outlaw or sub and dont know why

[nova aspen]

good morning sins

[strange python]

so for fatebound u use cold blood on CD but hold it if it will come up before deathmark so u can match edge case during CDs?

[balmy condor]

Bandwagoning the slightly stronger specs

[raven egret]

Welcome to every expansion ever (almost, not always I know, disclaimer disclaimed)

[balmy condor]

Yes

[toxic sparrow]

Got it. Thx boys!!

[fallow marsh]

Are there any tools to evaluate logs? While I think I’m performing alright I feel like I can do more damage then I’m currently outputting.

[balmy condor]

Also it’s 4:56 am whoever asked I forgot

[nova aspen]

early bird or up all night i see

[balmy condor]

The latter

[grim jay]

Vampspyr

[storm hedge]

Never sleep

[balmy condor]

Sleep is for wimps

[pale badger]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[nova aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/292069670519832577/1035815941436624957/ezgif.com-gif-maker_3.gif

[cunning basin]

Sleeping in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty four

[silver pumice]

Can someone help me understand energy pooling in signle target? outside of cooldowns i feel like im always energy starved even if i wait and clip envenom to keep the buff up, am i supposed to let the buff drop at a certain point?

[storm hedge]

I had 13k vers and 4-7k of othere stats. Still did parse good on normal. Stats don't matter

[grim jay]

Its 2 pm and I wish I could sleep rn

[vale lantern]

8 am and I’m head to bed

[crude sequoia]

im generally very new to retail and want to craft a good piece of rune-branded armbands, how do i ensure i get a good craft? i heard something about requiring high quality materials etc, but don't want to mess this up ...

[ripe carbon]

you want mats to be 'rank 3'

[nova aspen]

8 am and i just got to work

[raven egret]

Well to be clear you want to find a crafter and ask them what they need to max rank your craft

[balmy condor]

Yesn’t. You can reset at some point to like 50ish but it doesn’t really matter honestly, uptime is so crazy high already

[ripe carbon]

yea what lord said

[crude sequoia]

is it not doable through crafting orders?

[sullen hearth]

I see you're playing alot of fatebound in current dungeons, if I don't ever really plan to push higher than a 10 is ok for numbers to play fatebound instead of deathstalker, managing the mark is getting kinda old

[balmy condor]

Yeah totally fine

[ripe carbon]

you can put 'require rank 5' to make sure they only fdo rank 5

[vale lantern]

When you find a crafter you can ask them what rank mats they need to get the item Rank 5 or Max Rank they usually know and will tell you

[uncut shuttle]

Hey ! Can you tell me which stat i should prioritize ? Mastery, haste or crit ?

[whole sand]

if you're crafting it you should be able to see the quality its going to come out with, if you're sending a crafting order make sure you set it to a private order and you can specifiy the quality you want, either they make it to that quality or they can't, you won't lose out

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[rotund oak]

my man sry to ask but why is sin missing from the nerub palace sims on simcraft?

[crude sequoia]

ah alright, thanks a lot for the answers

[balmy condor]

Cause I haven’t submitted a profile yet, probably tomorrow before stream

[frosty portal]

Maybe after this week of heroic, since blizzard has stated they are going to do balance changes. We get little ST love

[rotund oak]

ah cool cool

[grim jay]

Thats your chance to sneak in the ms node

[grim jay]

Idk how much they will tune if the spec isnt bad with incoming talent changes

[balmy condor]

Sneak in some improved wound poison for the fans

[grim jay]

We are pretty mid which is a decent spot

[haughty sand]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[cunning basin]

Oh god yes just what I needed

[raven egret]

Aggressively mid

[cunning basin]

I mean-

[nova aspen]

i like being average joe

[cunning basin]

V good spot to be this early. Means nobody will see the spec getting used and abused in rwf and won't get giga nerfed like amirdrassil

[raven egret]

We eating good

Let the warlocks and mage eat each other

[royal lantern]

lies, i had frozen pizza for 2days in a row

[night delta]

Hey Whispyr, been considering coming back to the game for the anniversary and I saw the latest 11.0.5 changes, do you think it's likely that the new overcharged combo point system will interact with Darkst Night ? i.e. triggering if we finish with a 5-point finisher with the +2 from supercharger ?

[raven egret]

Some of us are eating good

And I ain't one of them...

[cunning basin]

Sub and sin I think both in prime spots to not get nerfed after rwf, outlaw maybe not so much

[grim jay]

It will

[royal lantern]

yooooo, thats a name i didnt saw in a long time

[raven egret]

Such hopium wtf

[fallow marsh]

I’m going to assume this is a no 😂

[night delta]

isnice

[night delta]

yeah it's been a different year

[vale lantern]

I took everything is greater than vers a little to seriously

[balmy condor]

Yes, they said as much in the dev note

[royal lantern]

oh really? thats cool

shiv->finisher at 5cp into DN will feel better, ngl

[raven egret]

I mean. They said something in the dev notes

[balmy condor]

They said like “these combo points will work with effects that scale with combo points” or whatever

[jaunty quarry]

hey guys is there any good video to explain assa rotation for M+ ?

[raven egret]

Developer’s note: It is intended that Supercharger’s bonus count towards any ability that scales with combo points spent and not just the damage value of finishing moves. Examples include Rupture’s duration, Poison Bomb’s effect chance, Restless Blades’ cooldown reduction, and Flagellation’s lashes dealt.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

the dude,s above ur head with the purple name

[balmy condor]

That thing

[storm hedge]

But it also means that we will have the current iteration of ER until the end of November...

[balmy condor]

Probably

[raven egret]

But like... They haven't said that... Clearly... It would work with DS.... Don't stone me to death

[night delta]

I was kinda getting burned out by mythic play in DF and all the shadow dance nonsense, aswell as trying to manage being a guild officer and raid leader, the latest updates to rogue seem promising to start fresh on something not too brain-consuming

no more SD, no more ER, no more SnD...

[raven egret]

Hey so far SnD is still a button

[night delta]

I mean for 11.0.5

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-stone-gif-9149843

[cunning basin]

It won't be frfr in .5

Like it will

But not actually

Ya know?

[raven egret]

Yeah it's still a button in 11.0.5 you can press 😄

[balmy condor]

With snd fully passive, recuperator actually does nothing then

[cunning basin]

You can't make me press it tho

[royal lantern]

wait what you are right

[balmy condor]

Instead of like 10 seconds of healing and then nothing

[cunning basin]

So I'm not gonna

[night delta]

wth it wadn't based on the buff, but on the CAST ?

[raven egret]

PTR right now, envenom grants SnD but you can still use it for recuperator bugged version yeah 😂

[night delta]

lmfao

[cunning basin]

Surely they fix that......

[balmy condor]

It was attached to the buff but extending the buff never worked

[raven egret]

Look just note the date, if it doesn't work with DS I can say "Told ya so"

[craggy moss]

Hey all,

Whats the best Poisions for Mythics?

[night delta]

well tbh recuperator is kinda meh either way

[raven egret]

That talent is like shadowheart, they both need complete replacement

[umbral pike]

depends on the mobs in the dg

[balmy condor]

!poisons

Fuck

[night delta]

like, a full minute to get 20% health

[balmy condor]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[cunning basin]

That talent is so fucking cursed lmao

[balmy condor]

Shadow heart enjoyers

[cunning basin]

I mean there's a lot of cursed talents in the class tree but I feel like leech in stealth gotta be one of the most cringe things ever introduced

[raven egret]

Like I get that we all say Recup was bugged, but I am convinced it was blizz intention to have it work only on hard casts XD

[craggy moss]

does Improved Wound poison stack more dmg for the stack on KB?

[balmy condor]

What

[normal mist]

What's recuperator?

[raven egret]

I had to read that a couple times

[balmy condor]

It’s per application

[craggy moss]

uuhhhh application

mb mb

[nova aspen]

oh shit i just noticed the new pin

[cunning basin]

Kb stacks when you apply a poison to a target so as long as you have 2x lethal and envenom buff you're maximizing your kb stacks

Hope that helps

[raven egret]

A dead talent point

[normal mist]

Always has been

[balmy condor]

I hardly know hor

[raven egret]

Well it's deader now

[cunning basin]

Waste of a talent point to get to a different talent point

Kek

[raven egret]

Yo btw what you changing your name to in November

[craggy moss]

whats KB bahaha sorry im noob thats why im asking all these questions, but im trying to optimize as much as possible

[balmy condor]

Kingsbane

[night delta]

If you compare leeching poison to recuperator it's hard to deny the latter is just 100% undertuned

[craggy moss]

uuhhh ty ty

[cunning basin]

I was convinced to continue hating dust even post mortem

[balmy condor]

Well leeching poison also got omega nerfed

So that kinda sucks too

[cunning basin]

So I will continue to hate dust till the bitter end 👌✌️

[raven egret]

I can respect the hussle. Thank you for your service 🫡

[desert inlet]

I love shadowheart

always romance her in bg3

[cunning basin]

I know what you are

[balmy condor]

Yikes bad take

[craggy moss]

so in 11.0.5 patch we're moving back to Subterfuge, after been convinced that its not better for mythics in Whisprs video

?

[cunning basin]

Karlach is best girl tho and I'm not sorry

[balmy condor]

Shadowheart literally useless character

[night delta]

and yet it's still obviously stronger, 3% leech over 3 sec means we heal 9% of our DPS every 3 sec, which I do hope is more than 1% of our max HP

[cunning basin]

(i can also fix minthara trust)

[balmy condor]

Maybe perhaps sometimes

[desert inlet]

she carried in my honor mode

[grim jay]

Idk if Id respect any take that makes a spec we potentially play dry af

[desert inlet]

but she wasn't a cleric

[raven egret]

She is BiS, but the shadowheart we got at home;

[desert inlet]

[grim jay]

The current version sucks ass

The new one not as much

[cunning basin]

Fuck dust me and all my homies hate dust

(I'm literally currently playing sub)

[balmy condor]

What

[nova aspen]

uh-oh, does that mean we're more reliant on re-stealths?

[balmy condor]

How are we getting from 3 to 9

[grim jay]

[nova aspen]

[craggy moss]

im pretty strong though, i'm top dpsing in most mythics

[errant night]

heh, i see a lot of assa rogues respec to outlaw

[night delta]

recup ticks every 3 sec, so i'm comparing over the course of 3 sec

[grim jay]

Imagine how strong you could be with a proper build

Its insane

[night delta]

3% leech times 3 sec = 9% of our DPS healed, over the course of 3 sec

[craggy moss]

send me one plz daddy

[raven egret]

Recup requires you to spend combo points on hard casting snd

Like, cmon

[grim jay]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cunning basin]

Don't forget to complain to your tank every time you don't get a restealth

[night delta]

I mean even if it worked properly it'd be shit

[bitter saddle]

I do that every day

[craggy moss]

im using whisprs one right now, which has been the winner

1guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

Oh sure

[royal lantern]

whisp is a based Lae'zel simp?

[wide ferry]

yeoo more changes in 11.0.5??? Watchin your vid now whispyr. FUUCKIN SUPERCHARGERS??

[night delta]

hey soon we'll get 12s of Master assassin from stealth with subterfuge

[normal mist]

ER but even better and more charges

[night delta]

come .5 we'll get to yet again harass whispyr about restealths lol

[fringe surge]

what are bis stats value ? i know is cirt mast haste versa, but i want to know % how its ok

[balmy condor]

Yeah like when the waiter asks you if you want a supersalad

[raven egret]

Maybe

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[pine grove]

Depends entirely on your character and gear.

[normal mist]

I'm almost sure I saw a guy using your name yesterday as a druid

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pain-gif-25934677

[night delta]

send that impostor threats on my behalf

(do not, actually)

[normal mist]

That sucker

It was lfr

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/super-soakers-squirt-sale-gif-16873230

[balmy condor]

[wide ferry]

Changes look 🔥🔥🔥

[grim jay]

You know they will be coming. Its the revenge arc

[night delta]

I guess the supercharger thing in 11.0.5 will also centralize our DMG in the burst window still

[balmy condor]

If we get to use double vanish I’m excited for it, I love bleed damage in m+

I just don’t love losing 5% of my damage for it

[night delta]

no more ER shenanigans in normal rotation

[raven egret]

I mean we can't play all capstones so, something will have to give

Double vanish

[wide ferry]

Hell yea, vanish, into dm and Kb rotation w imp garrote and mustang superchargers blastin

[normal mist]

Yep! Will be pretty good if stars align

[cunning basin]

I love bleeds

[night delta]

tbh up to 17s of IW really does sound exciting

[terse orchid]

Ugh is that only in 0.5? Does that mean the CB DM interaction also won't be fixed till then?

[cunning basin]

Bleeds make me happy

[slim pebble]

Man, the new changes seem really cool

[grim jay]

Wait for the ER 2nd vanish builds

[raven egret]

Means we drop Tea 😛

[grim jay]

Yes

[craggy moss]

another big discussion.

Night elves Rogues vs Drackthyr rogues

[normal mist]

Dracthyr

[raven egret]

Neither

[grim jay]

Scalies are freaking ugly

[limber creek]

trick question, dark iron embrace the lava

[balmy condor]

Both, and they’re kissing

[terse orchid]

Drekthyr, I've been told moving fast is important kek

[raven egret]

Ok that's hot

[night delta]

still not excited about micromanaging tea for my return though

[raven egret]

You wouldn't be, we never micro manage tea

[night delta]

i'd hoped they tied another buff to it instead of stats, idk, maybe instant combo points or something

[royal lantern]

shut your mouth

[slim pebble]

You can remove pretty much all the scales big dog

[balmy condor]

That would be even harder to manage

[wide ferry]

Those subterfuge changes will let us apply ruptures and Garrotes for a longer durationg during opening?

[craggy moss]

is the Passive Mastery worth it for Draks?

[royal lantern]

even bigger L move

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

Idk either you commit or you dont

[cunning basin]

I mean this is the only correct answer

[slim pebble]

You’re a bigger L move

[normal mist]

You can play in human form Perma, have 2 extra stops, it's gg

[wide ferry]

ooff thats spicy

[royal lantern]

its the same as all other passive % racials

[terse orchid]

Can we hit a double silence?

[balmy condor]

Racials don’t really matter

[balmy condor]

Sure why not

Silences don’t DR

[royal lantern]

yes, im a 1,98meter L(my Name starts with a L)

[balmy condor]

Go wild

[raven egret]

I'm still not sold on subterfuge, outside of the long ass master assassin

[grim jay]

Calm down Lennard

[craggy moss]

wdym?

[balmy condor]

Okay Lindt Chocolate

[cunning basin]

Me when silence
Me when no silence

[solid venture]

okay Lars

[cunning basin]

Or something idk

[normal mist]

Okay Larry

[royal lantern]

du bist gut brudi

[slim pebble]

Alright then Larothy

[grim jay]

Brudi

[sterile torrent]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS is especially not helpful, and we do not have any of them. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character

[cunning basin]

What the fuck

[solid venture]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[slim pebble]

I responded to the wrong message, but that’s what I’m gonna think of when I see Tyran now

[raven egret]

That bis command is bis

[charred salmon]

Do we have a bis list for rogues in what curios brann should use?

[raven egret]

Now that's a meme

[normal mist]

Bis list is bis

[night delta]

IW for 17 seconds

tanks be falling in love with us

[night halo]

how should I be approaching pooling energy before KB/DM windows. last I played assa was during amildrassil prog in dragonflight but I haven't seen any guides mention pooling energy?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/trops4-twitch-moped-motorcycle-alexander-walkenhorst-gif-22322523

[nova aspen]

i already had a tank comment on the silences last night lol

they love it

[normal mist]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[raven egret]

Bro we got other shit to do than spam garotte endlessly

[royal lantern]

no we dont

[novel star]

skardyns dropped from first heroic pull

wasted my m0 rng

[raven egret]

Stop bursting my bubble, I dreamt we are good and do thing s that do the damage