I haven’t been able to get the other half of my second spark, and I’ve done all the weeklies
#assassination
iron charm
dusty zenith
shy pecan
I was gonna say, this just adds to the duration of everything? Or was there something else
uneven plume
Nah def not
robust slate
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
runic hinge
I was gonna say, this just adds to the duration of everything? Or was there some...
12 seconds. I vanish. 12 more seconds. I’m taking second vanish charge. 12 more seconds. I’ve only pressed garrote for 36 globals.
You can’t stop me
shy pecan
runic hinge
tepid charm
12 seconds. I vanish. 12 more seconds. I’m taking second vanish charge. 12 more ...
Pocket Grenades proc, instantly turning the mobs into pink mist
I wipe them off my sunglasses and swallow the butt of my cigarette
green python
Yoo, about the "dagger" why i dont see anyone talking about this dagger > https://www.wowhead.com/item=222463/siphoning-stiletto ? That have some issues or idk?
royal lantern
Yoo, about the "dagger" why i dont see anyone talking about this dagger > https:...
its really bad
thats all
green python
lol
steel jay
"the stilletto dagger got changed from 2.6 speed to 1.8 speed. Maybe this makes it viable, not sure yet. (Edit: It's awful don't craft it)"
royal lantern
cool idea, but does no dmg
steel jay
from pins
runic hinge
It also has self damage
novel horizon
since i got 603 wrist/belt from delves, and i have shit 580 daggers should i craft daggers?
runic hinge
Crafting a dagger isn’t a bad idea
runic hinge
Oh true
royal lantern
another big thing
still tree
so the subterfurge change is that it adds duration to things that already interact with breaking stealth? So Indiscriminate carnage would be 12 seconds total if you take 2 points of subterfurge, for example?
If I'm reading it right?
royal lantern
Sub finally, FINALLY gets some fixes
novel star
If I'm reading it right?
yeah
might be really good but it seems kinda like situational? idk
limber lion
so the subterfurge change is that it *adds* duration to things that already inte...
Yes
limber lion
I was gonna say, this just adds to the duration of everything? Or was there some...
Pretty sure it's just 6s + 6s
6s for the actual effect like you would get now
And then the 6s from the lingering effect
shy pecan
kk
cobalt sphinx
What's the pvp dagger ilvl 610?
Yeah i think all algari competitor gear is 610 with purple crests
still tree
it makes it not literally do nothing for sin at the very least
novel star
Yeh
sage star
Yeah i think all algari competitor gear is 610 with purple crests
Is there an easy way to get the conq. for the crests?
limber lion
Probs a Subterfuge angle for M+ at least
That's cool
Some use for it
0kewl was ahead of his game
fallow flax
Hello all, where does one get bubbling wax
limber lion
playing Without a Trace
novel star
how much value is continued ic over starting caustic burst, i guess hella in m+ but depends pull size 
cobalt sphinx
Is there an easy way to get the conq. for the crests?
I got the quest to give 9 crests on my 5th skirmish win
still tree
also the echoring reprimend changes + new supercharged combo point stuff reads like "yo that talent is broke as hell and we can't figure out why, so we're making a new one that doesn't use the legacy code"
novel horizon
the siphoning stiletto is bad, right?
royal python
Anyone else can't see any groups in the group finder mythic 0
sage star
Hello all, where does one get bubbling wax
There's a quest in the inn in ringing deeps that lets you pickpocket it off a nerds
limber lion
the siphoning stiletto is bad, right?
Yes
haughty flicker
interesting subterfuge change
raven egret
I swear Darkest Night somethings just vanish from existance upon appearing
novel star
if pull is 6 mobs or smaller you’re spending a lot of talents on subterfuge for no gain in that pack
scary!
lavish cedar
Anybody know what embelishments we are crafting?
sage star
I got the quest to give 9 crests on my 5th skirmish win
tyty I'll try that it sounds easy imo
haughty flicker
also er changes
fallow flax
There's a quest in the inn in ringing deeps that lets you pickpocket it off a ne...
Ty can’t believe I didn’t see this quest
haughty flicker
bigly patch notes
limber lion
Yep
limber lion
Anybody know what embelishments we are crafting?
!embellish
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
novel star
shiv giving you the ER points seems kinda bad though no?
limber lion
shiv giving you the ER points seems kinda bad though no?
Why
sage star
Ty can’t believe I didn’t see this quest
it's a question mark above a grate in gundrak or whatever that ringing deeps town is called
limber lion
Just free anima cp right
vivid crown
bigly patch notes
Where are the new ones?
limber lion
I mean we can't know for sure if it's a smart system and it targets slots that aren't anima'd
tepid charm
What if it was called anime charged and it put jpegs of anime girls on your screen when you consume them
limber lion
Or if it's just rng
Who knows if we have to try to hit the animacharged points first before shiving again
All down to testing
haughty flicker
Where are the new ones?
still tree
What if it was called anime charged and it put jpegs of anime girls on your scre...
I'm sure theres an addon for that already
digital venture
is this any good? Or the pheromones trinket is better?
cobalt sphinx
What if it was called anime charged and it put jpegs of anime girls on your scre...
What if it was anime charged and you just got thrown in jail for liking anime
slate crown
Personally not happy about 
changes because I like the button myself, but this is a good way to keep the animacharged concept while reducing keybinds which is a noble goal.
vivid crown
ty!
tepid charm
What if it was anime charged and you just got thrown in jail for liking anime
This is also good
haughty flicker
yeah im not opposed to it
i have too many free keybinds now though
what am i supposed to do
novel star
if they make it stackable i think it works fine
novel star
basically a 4p ER on 60s cd instead of 45
tepid charm
what am i supposed to do
Puntable Marmot on CD
novel star
if the 2 charged are wasted on 2nd shiv every cd window
royal python
Anyone else can't see any groups in the group finder mythic 0
novel star
tepid charm
Anyone else can't see any groups in the group finder mythic 0
Do you have any filters set?
royal python
Just filters for tank
haughty flicker
6s cheap shot duration + subterfuge looking actually useful means i might have to bind that button again
tepid charm
Just filters for tank
Double check it's not set to m+?
thorn fox
Anyone else can't see any groups in the group finder mythic 0
You can't LFG a M0. You have to make a group and walk in. Check the dungeon groups tab
haughty flicker
based
royal python
Do you have any filters set?
But thanks, moment I removed filters groups appeared
tepid charm
Rogue should be able to pickpocket gold from players
nocturne mortar
How much gold to craft waist and dagger with spark ?
tepid charm
But thanks, moment I removed filters groups appeared
Funky!
dapper cradle
are we going to have an insane IC window now?
haughty flicker
i assume it'll be 12 seconds with subterfuge yeah
limber lion
It's not gonna change too too much
royal lantern
tbf, how much bleeds do you wanna apply lol
limber lion
You were already able to spread most bleeds with the previous one
haughty flicker
how many bleeds do you need
dapper cradle
bro I want everything bleeding
limber lion
But the 12s MA + IG is dank
fallow sonnet
so is assass worst rogue spec for raid?
limber lion
Actually making Subterfuge and MA useful in Mythic+
haughty flicker
12s MA almost covers entire kb
limber lion
Very cool
royal lantern
like, what pulls do you have where 2x garrote->2x rupture->maybe 1-2 garrote is NOT allready everything dotted full 
ornate gate
can you run two dawnthread embellish?
haughty flicker
yes
royal lantern
can you run two dawnthread embellish?
yes
balmy condor
!dawnthread
prisma monolithBOT
Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.
dapper cradle
do you think the supercharged combo point will work with DN?
limber lion
Probably
dapper cradle
or is it still gonna have to be natty max
haughty flicker
that seems to be the intention
bronze dune
Was anyone able to solo a 8 delve as assass?
gray hazel
Im to just craft next week when things settle out lol
dapper cradle
it'd be tight if it was
tepid charm
do you think the supercharged combo point will work with DN?
Deez nuts????
wet thistle
Was anyone able to solo a 8 delve as assass?
Yes
bronze dune
I was strugglin harrrd at the last boss
limber lion
Would be very weird if instead of changing the bug, they introduce new talents, that still share the same bug from before
Sounds like a fever dream
dapper cradle
Would be very weird if instead of changing the bug, they introduce new talents, ...
wouldn't put it past blizz tbh lol
raven egret
So I missed the convos about it most likely, but subterfuge change doesnt seem like itll matter much to us
limber lion
Ok Whispyr taking 20 mins to type out a pin again
normal mist
I don't want to read the notes
dapper cradle
the trickster changes for law are kinda pog
normal mist
i want whispyr to tell me how to feel
limber lion
Time to go to bed and read it when I wake up
cobalt sphinx
Auto tea, auto ER, auto SND, what’s next
wet thistle
Tricks bran, figure out which casts do the most dmg and prio those, bran I've completed with both healer and DPS, run arrowhead
haughty flicker
the anticipation i feel whenever i see whispyr typing a pin can not be matched
wet thistle
And just burst
raven egret
Auto tea, auto ER, auto SND, what’s next
its not auto tea by a long shot
sly hollow
Hey lads, i did raid tonigt and my overall max dps was 560 while DKs and DH/hunt did the double of it. Im alone struggling ?
bronze dune
Tricks bran, figure out which casts do the most dmg and prio those, bran I've co...
tricks bran! i didnt even think of that! cheers!
still tree
also lol at thistle tea auto activating at 30 now
royal lantern
((i would still like a chose 1 node for tea auto activation))
devout sphinx
is this thing decent at all (apparently it's not properly implemented in raidbots??)
haughty flicker
i have to play the er changes
modest gale
do we upgrade 593 gear from m0 or we save it?
limber lion
It's a win win
tepid charm
i want whispyr to tell me how to feel
[ASMR] Whispyr Reads You The Assassination Guide And Tucks You In
dapper cradle
normal mist
What don't you know?
Idk because idk if im reading right LOL
im waiting for whispyr
:3
limber lion
Supercharged is the new ER
tawny geyser
im waiting for whispyr
We all are
royal lantern
But just looking at the ER changes
eh, its a controversial ability, rogue has a stigma for beeing a bloated class, so its a kinda elegant change to not fully remove it but removing the button itself
dapper cradle
eh, its a controversial ability, rogue has a stigma for beeing a bloated class, ...
stigma balls lmao
grave dove
and still no echoing blades continues holding breath
open mountain
Supercharged is adds 2 combo points
ER max combo points
royal lantern
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
open mountain
Says on the tooltip supercharged adds 2 combo points worth to finishers
uneven plume
do we upgrade 593 gear from m0 or we save it?
Upgrade everything you got except runic crests
Shit don’t matter
open mountain
ER anima charged combo points don’t treat the finisher as 7cp?
slim pebble
These changes sound cool
open mountain
Supercharged combo points just add 2x so if It highlights 2nd combo point it hits like a 4cp finisher
brittle cloud
Is ascension on dagger just as good if on an offhand?
dapper cradle
yeah no way it's gonna supercharge 2nd or 3rd
raven egret
Supercharged combo points just add 2x so if It highlights 2nd combo point it hit...
That would be lame as all hell
so, hard doubt
open mountain
That’s what the notes say
limber lion
The only change that is weird to me, is changing how ER works entirely but still calling it ER.
limber lion
That would be lame as all hell
That's literally what the notes say yeah
balmy condor
Echoing Reprimand Rework:
- You can read it as "shiv empowers your next (1/2) finisher(s), causing them to act as if they were cast with 2 additional combo points (3 with the talent).
- Instead of echoing reprimand, it's a two point talent for 1/2 finishers
- Instead of resounding clarity, the effect goes from 2 additional cp to 3 additional cp
- Instead of reverberation, mut will deal additional damage after consuming a supercharged cp
- No longer need to finish on specific combo points (no mini game)
- In general this is just full passive, bigger burst, bigger envenoms during shiv (hello twist the knife), and these are intended to count for deathstalker interactions as well as per the dev note very clearly stating "any ability that scales with combo points spent"
- No more minigame, no more button, same style
Cheap shot
- change is nothing, we won't press it most likely, gg.
- that being said, subterfuge makes it maybe possibly sometimes usable in some situations perhaps. Niche as hell
Subterfuge
- Now extends effects, instead of overlapping them
- 6 second base + 6 second subterfuge = 12 seconds on imp gar, iron wire, master assassin, carnage
- Can be REALLY good, or really meh
- Previously the 10 second carnage duration wasn't really used much, nerfing it to 6 didn't do anything negative. Can improve imp garrote uptime but is pretty minor for garrote damage on first glance. With how many mobs we pull and already garrote, most will end up being wasted probably anyways
- This can give a bit of control back though and allow for crazy iron wire silences (I'm frankly expecting more nerfs to iron wire)
- Without a trace maybe good now?
Fatebound Edge Case
- Fixes the lame cold blood interaction thing, you still want to use it after edge case but can maybe macro to kingsbane and be fine
Master Assassin/Iron Wire nerf
- Entirely expected with subterfuge changes
- Frankly the nerfs probably need a round two, iron wire especially is crazy
balmy condor
okay work time, video is recorded but not uploaded waiting on thumbnail
dapper cradle
pog ty king
haughty flicker
ty now i know what to think
upper wraith
@balmy condor which build for ST in raid?
royal lantern
<@167090536602140682> which build for ST in raid?
check wowhead
raven egret
oh yeah read that wrong then, it adds cp to the NEXT finisher(s), it doesnt supercharge specific CP like ER does now
if that is the correct interpretation, I'm happy
raven egret
makes sense the way its written
cobalt sphinx
is iron wire 6s unstealthed on live without subterfuge? i thought it was stealth only
hushed marten
Should i use catalyst with chapion with avoidance?
raven egret
Subterfuge change however I feel is an attempt at making it relevant despite it just... not being relevant. I don,t think it'll change anything
trail mica
is my reading comprehension off, or is master assassin a 12 sec buff with subterfuge?
runic hinge
[More PTR Notes](<https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-devel...
Beautiful. Luv u 
limber lion
Subterfuge change however I feel is an attempt at making it relevant despite it ...
It definitely will
It's not even a question
royal lantern
10CP Envenoms
1step closer to 10CP baseline 
limber lion
You will 100% take it in Mythic+
runic hinge
That much master assassin is so sick
raven egret
Like what? we already have all the bleeds we want with the times we alread have
sly hollow
Rogue is mid on Raids or it is just me
haughty flicker
that is a lot of masterful assassining
balmy condor
Idk if we take it but it’s definitely interesting
limber lion
Yes, but we didn't have MA or Iron Wire previously
median grove
Guys, i got a question when you got your second death mark after 2 min on a mono boss, do you use improve garrote before the second death mark or right after ?
limber lion
Iron Wire is so giga
royal lantern
that is a lot of masterful assassining
even more ass master time
limber lion
I mean if you only care about damage and nothing else, then yeah idk maybe
But I'm an Iron Wire simp in Mythic+
open mountain
New Talent: Supercharger – Shiv/Roll the Bones/Symbols of Death supercharges [1/2] combo points. Damaging finishing moves consume a supercharged combo point to function as if they spent 2 additional combo points. 2-point talent.
How do you read this as your next two finishers?
balmy condor
New Talent: Supercharger – Shiv/Roll the Bones/Symbols of Death supercharges [1/...
You press shiv and it grants you 2 supercharges, your finishers then consume them for +2
There’s no trigger condition
It’s just finish -> +2
tepid charm
Whoa that's way nicer
royal lantern
shiv/symbols(and RtB? outlaw moment lol) are even more bursty now
trail mica
the wording is atrocious in the blue post
balmy condor
Wording is fine what
loud light
the wording of "supercharges two combo points" makes it sound like old ER/RC
but it's not
slate crown
I don't think it's bad, you just have to kick your old understand out
because it says "Consuming the supercharged" points grants it
if your 3rd point is charged
and you spend 5
you're consuming the third point
still tree
yeah, that part makes it sound like current ER, but if it literally worked like current ER and could pick the 3/4/5 combo point
slate crown
that's that
native silo
do we prepull ascendancy serum or just use it and eat the 1.5s+
still tree
then well I guess it would still work? but eh
still tree
I have the stupid serum cause I literally haven't been able to grab anything better, I rip it right before deathmark and cry
native silo
I have the stupid serum cause I literally haven't been able to grab anything bet...
same lmao
deft vault
is there anything that caused the sanguine blade build to pull back ahead?
balmy condor
You consume it
bronze dune
should i be using one of each radiant power and depths enchants? or double up on whether im doing raids/m+?
deft vault
its simming 20k ahead of the vw build for me
balmy condor
Mini game doesn’t exist
balmy condor
is there anything that caused the sanguine blade build to pull back ahead?
Gear dependent
trail mica
you basically have 2 combo points in your pocket that you pull out and add to your next two finishers
deft vault
Gear dependent
ight thanks
trail mica
landing on 6 cp will feel 
balmy condor
What
royal lantern
landing on 6 cp will feel <:FeelsWeird:585739277120307220>
? will count as 8 then
balmy condor
8 is his least favorite number
haughty flicker
god i fucking hate 8
royal lantern
true
trail mica
dude
balmy condor
Because 7 8 9
haughty flicker
almost as much as i hate boomkins
open mountain
So with your theory my 2 and 3 cp is “supercharged” if I use a 7 cp finisher that would consume both supercharged CP and give me an addition 6 CP to my finisher making my envenom act as if it had 13cp?
royal lantern
fuck 8
trail mica
8 is literally the worst
modest gale
can i use crest for 593 items or save it?
trail mica
honestly, don't even know why it is a number...
balmy condor
So with your theory my 2 and 3 cp is “supercharged” if I use a 7 cp finisher tha...
There is no 2 and 3 cp supercharge
raven egret
ewww 8
royal lantern
Because 7 8 9
yep, you are officaly old now, go into the old people corner with seli
indigo ginkgo
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
fluid pumice
Is there a specific amount of haste we need for bleed ticks? i currently only have 3k (5%), i'm still simming every drop just to make sure. Just seems weird to be this low. New to rogue, just stopped my mage for so it's just weird.
I only really care about m+ if that makes any difference
open mountain
What’s supercharged then? It says 1/2 cp are supercharged.
royal lantern
Is there a specific amount of haste we need for bleed ticks? i currently only ha...
stat breakpoints dont exist
trail mica
What’s supercharged then? It says 1/2 cp are supercharged.
1 point in talent gives you 1 extra cp on your next 2 finishers, 2 points in talent give you 2 extra cp on your next 2 finishers
royal lantern
unless you're outlaw
outlaw needs jesus in 30 different ways
trail mica
my outlaw sims 150k above my sin
haughty flicker
im a bit worried to check outlaw channel
fluid pumice
stat breakpoints dont exist
Coming from mage that's a crazy statement, each spec for mage has at least one
royal lantern
trail mica
haven't touched outlaw since the rework in DF
open mountain
The wording makes it sound like ER
haughty flicker
wizards are unethical
spice surge
Its good
past forum
Changes are hype but imma miss my blue cp
lusty narwhal
Its good
Basing it on Whispyrs trinket tier list on the guide, lists it as F so idk haha
sims way higher than my arakara
spice surge
Well it didnt work in sims until very recently (like yesterday)
balmy condor
1 point in talent gives you 1 extra cp on your next 2 finishers, 2 points in tal...
Other way around
lusty narwhal
ahh
spice surge
So im guessing whispyr just based it on how it simmed, which was awful
balmy condor
First point is Next 1 finisher is +2cp
Second point is next 2 finisher is +2cp
balmy condor
So im guessing whispyr just based it on how it simmed, which was awful
I tested it in game cause it wasn’t in sims
And it sucked
haughty flicker
burst shenanigans with this and ttk do sound promising
spice surge
I mean its just a mastery stat stick
balmy condor
Yeh
spice surge
Thats well stated
delicate trench
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
open mountain
First point is Next 1 finisher is +2cp
Second point is next 2 finisher is +2cp
Kk I’ll take your word for it, hopefully be able to test it soon
royal lantern
burst shenanigans with this and ttk do sound promising
TTK getting the biggest glowup in wow history
lusty narwhal
I tested it in game cause it wasn’t in sims
Yeah idk wht to run now lol, arakara is a popular choice but sims like shit, this thing sims way higher aand so does ascension card
yolo i guess
spice surge
First point is Next 1 finisher is +2cp
Second point is next 2 finisher is +2cp
Insane synergy with symbolic victory
novel moss
4x bount T8 and 4x tinket drops -_-
drifting anchor
what's up? i though sin was supposed to be the raid spec
haughty flicker
true
balmy condor
Thats well stated
They also nerfed the reduction at one point I believe
haughty flicker
wtf is going on
drifting anchor
looks like sub and outlaw are performing better
balmy condor
Yeah so as expected
royal lantern
ye sorry, my raid is tomorrow, could not boost assa numbers
novel moss
Dont sweat bro just reroll before M+ launch and you good
haughty flicker
imagine having a raid
lusty narwhal
Dont wanna play sub again REEEEEEEEEEE
quaint spindle
Assa felt fine to me in raid
royal lantern
then dont
balmy condor
Sub has looked like assa but with more burst, outlaw has looked higher than assa/sub but with no burst
cerulean walrus
lusty narwhal
Outlaws worse
balmy condor
???
brave kindle
It's not like assassination is that far behind
trail mica
outlaw feels weird without acrobatic
spice surge
No logic allowed fere
brave kindle
It's playable
drifting anchor
sin still the M+ spec at least?
pastel seal
Sub has looked like assa but with more burst, outlaw has looked higher than assa...
If you'd have to pick an allrounder for 50/50 Raid/M+, would you go for Outlaw?
Assuming you couldn't switch specs back and forth hypothetically
haughty flicker
no im pretty sure if you play sin in raid ion comes to your house and confiscates your pc
for trolling
brave kindle
sin still the M+ spec at least?
Sin has a very nice damage profile in m+
strange python
im enjoying it in raid too 😄
brave kindle
Our AoE and bursts line up really well in most situations
past forum
I think sin is gonna perform best in all content where you like playing sin
remote ermine
Glad my raid is tomorrow and im fully specced out for sin
tepid charm
Dunking on idiots in trade chat, even? 🥺
haughty flicker
outlaw players will all have carpal tunnel in a year and sub players all hate themselves
so sin is the only choice
drifting anchor
hmmm i hate myself...maybe i should play sub
brave kindle
I like sub in pvp lol
strange python
i like sin always was beating our outlaw in basicly everyfight
haughty flicker
pvpers all hate themselves too
royal lantern
I like sub in pvp lol
you see, the problem is
you play PvP
haughty flicker
so that makes sense
drifting anchor
looks like outlaw only beets sub in cleave fights
spice surge
hmmm i hate myself...maybe i should play sub
Its not like you'd be doing 100% more damage
Just play assa if you like assa
It really is that simple
drifting anchor
but you would think sin would beat outlaw in cleave and it just doesn't
brave kindle
It can
remote ermine
looks like outlaw only beets sub in cleave fights
but that outlaw rogue could be bad
quasi steeple
Hey, quick question. How much haste can be considered as "enough"? ty in advance
potent dawn
I will say Deathstalker feels like poo poo should you not have a darkest night buff that lasts intermissions on some fights…. Sucks to just have no way to get mark if you used Vanish in CDs and get shafted on a mechanic
brave kindle
Top assass rogues will beat 98% of all outlaw rogues
spice surge
Hey, quick question. How much haste can be considered as "enough"? ty in advance
!stats
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
drifting anchor
yeah i know, play what you like, and that is why i started playing rogue but i also like pumping dmg and its weird seeing myself below fin ret paladins or other rogues i know i play better than
slim pebble
Is there a fatestalker build in raid that takes crimson tempest for AOE?
haughty flicker
royal lantern
the super rare stone
slim pebble
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balmy condor
Is there a fatestalker build in raid that takes crimson tempest for AOE?
Fatebound or deathstalker
haughty flicker
fatestalker
balmy condor
Fatebound CT is a bit rough
brave kindle
Fate stalker sounds metal
balmy condor
But yeh doable
deep sorrel
whyspir, your raid aoe build, is that the expanded version post caustic? Or do you think if you're running caustic you should play that page over the ST page with swapped IB for CT
slim pebble
I was just curious, I don't really like deathstalker so Im gonna play fatebound and wasn't sure
cursive frost
does bubbling wax work as well as whetstone? or at least close enough for now?
balmy condor
whyspir, your raid aoe build, is that the expanded version post caustic? Or do y...
Can do either
prisma monolithBOT
Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:
- Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
- The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
- If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds
haughty flicker
wax is reportedly having issues in raid
deep sorrel
Can do either
roger
haughty flicker
not proccing reliably
so gg i guess
that info is from outlaw players though so take it with a grain of salt
deep sorrel
should it show up in wcl if it did dmg? I assume so right
balmy condor
But feels like that might be a thing
haughty flicker
sounds reasonable enough
balmy condor
should it show up in wcl if it did dmg? I assume so right
Yes it’s a unique line on details/wcl
tall jay
!pooling
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TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
deep sorrel
Yes it’s a unique line on details/wcl
in that case it didn't proc a single time during my whole raid XD
balmy condor
I have it on a couple
vivid stream
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deep sorrel
can you link it?
thin radish
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deep sorrel
wtf
cobalt sphinx
yeah i think i got 0 procs in 8 bosses
deep sorrel
ive legit been scammed
cobalt sphinx
100% uptime 0 procs on 8 bosses
cunning cloak
damn so blizz couldn't figure out ds bug with er so they jsut change entire talent
deep sorrel
im 100% sure it was on main hand also,
cobalt sphinx
mine was too yeah
brave kindle
!er
balmy condor
Yeah it’s having issues
deep sorrel
i guess whetstone gaming?
brave kindle
What are the er changes
balmy condor
Pins
brave kindle
Off to pins
willow cloud
silken court pug 2nd day
keen rover
Double the dawnthread is double the crit, correct?
balmy condor
Yes
willow cloud
no idea how people are doing less than ST in a 2 target fight >.>
keen rover
💖
brave kindle
How do u look at pins on phone
bright dew
ascension and writhing still the move?
haughty flicker
what a pumper
keen rover
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
deep sorrel
silken court pug 2nd day
this fight is so nice for assa
balmy condor
How do u look at pins on phone
cobalt sphinx
no idea how people are doing less than ST in a 2 target fight >.>
they are dead or dying and you are living until the end of the pull
deep sorrel
caustic goes crazy
brave kindle
Thank you
haughty flicker
this fight is so nice for assa
ive been playing mm
and this fight is so fucking annoying
quick kelp
anyone rocking the faramones trinket from rep?
normal mist
id love for my phone to be that fast jesus
haughty flicker
because i cant proc trick shots unless i have 3 targets
frozen iris
Does anybody know if whyspyrs pooling weak aura still works?
haughty flicker
so i cant even take multishot and cleave
balmy condor
id love for my phone to be that fast jesus
13 pro idk
cobalt sphinx
ranged hunter omegalul
balmy condor
Does anybody know if whyspyrs pooling weak aura still works?
Fuck no with a capital fuck
haughty flicker
i might actually try survival for this boss
i have a polearm i won offspec roll on
balmy condor
Should be deleted off wago
haughty flicker
but if im not doing tethers apparently every pug is completely incapable of doing it
deep sorrel
algari mana oil was better than wax on ST but slightly worse than whetstone right
frozen iris
Should be deleted off wago
Whats the discord ! thing for pooling?
haughty flicker
i love pugging
deep sorrel
by like .2%?
quick kelp
anyone try that faramones trinket from rep?
cobalt sphinx
but if im not doing tethers apparently every pug is completely incapable of doin...
yeah they snap at 30 yd and do quite a bit of damage
one of the only hard mechanics in n raid
brave kindle
Oh nice it's a passive now
balmy condor
i love pugging
!pooling
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TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
willow cloud
I am amazed how hard pugs have found the ansurek p1 pop up
brave kindle
Is that a fucking cat or a hamster
normal mist
Rng gods gave me two heavy haste low mastery rings today. 20% haste pog
haughty flicker
Is that a fucking cat or a hamster
its a very disgruntled cat
balmy condor
Rng gods gave me two heavy haste low mastery rings today. 20% haste pog
I’m stuck with 2x vers rings and a vers neck
I’m playing outlaw life
normal mist
I only did 5 normal bosses today tho,
mossy hazel
Quick question, anyone else noticing the Shadowed Essence trinket out simming things way higher ilvl than it...?
normal mist
Did 1 delve 8 that did not count for vault
haughty flicker
Did 1 delve 8 that did not count for vault
rekt
normal mist
For some reason
balmy condor
Quick question, anyone else noticing the Shadowed Essence trinket out simming th...
Sounds like you should equip it
willow cloud
also its bs i can't shadowstep ansurek's p3 ground junk
haughty flicker
delve gaming
normal mist
Got the delve 8 achiev and on vault got a max delve 7 (610 reward)
balmy condor
delve gaming
Imagine not having 10’s done
open mountain
Did 1 delve 8 that did not count for vault
It’s cos you need two
haughty flicker
Imagine not having 10’s done
i dont hate myself quite enough for that
and i have no friends
so no group
balmy condor
I do
normal mist
You just made me feel pretty stupid and I thank you for that @open mountain
balmy condor
I hate myself enough to do it solo
mossy hazel
Sounds like you should equip it
Raid bots said the 571 version I have is better than the 597 scroll of momentum I have. I'm just wondering if it's accurate lol.
open mountain
Made the same mistake today 😂
balmy condor
Yep
brave kindle
Imagine spending 40 minutes stealth and picking up items and waiting for vanish cd
haughty flicker
that momentum scroll is also fucking garbage anyway
cobalt sphinx
Do 10s give anything
brave kindle
8 times
haughty flicker
so im not surprised
mossy hazel
I don't think scroll is very good, but it at least has agi which Shadow doesnt'
brittle cloud
Is ascension as good on an offhand? I can’t find definitive info anywhere.
haughty flicker
Do 10s give anything
epeen
balmy condor
Keep it in your bag for the bag ilvl
cobalt sphinx
Word
mossy hazel
This is what I assumed. Lol
haughty flicker
if you do a 10 you can do the harder version of zekvir and get the void airship
but im too lazy for that just yet
will do it later with more gear
balmy condor
Is ascension as good on an offhand? I can’t find definitive info anywhere.
It’s just a buff, there’s nothing where the hand/slot matters
Same as with poisons
You just have them on your character
brittle cloud
Hell yeah. Thanks.
balmy condor
They don’t actually go on daggers
frozen iris
Seems like they couldnt figure out how to fix the echoing reprimand bug and decided to change it lol. I doubt its for that reason but its my headcanon
empty viper
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cedar cove
QQ; i feel like im running out of energy a lot, happened since the TWW prepatch but now even more apparent. is it just a case of getting more haste in or am I missing something else?
mossy hazel
QQ; i feel like im running out of energy a lot, happened since the TWW prepatch ...
Low haste happens early every exp I think?
shy marten
did they fix the third stack ambush mob die DN proc?
it feels like now i dont have mark on targets or the buff only because im bad and didn't track what im doing with it
runic hinge
QQ; i feel like im running out of energy a lot, happened since the TWW prepatch ...
!Design
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Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
cedar cove
Low haste happens early every exp I think?
would make sense I imagine; feels so bloody awkward jaysus
mossy hazel
would make sense I imagine; feels so bloody awkward jaysus
It's a rough way to start for sure, but it gets better
sick bridge
DPS rankings so far are kind of rough
cedar cove
cheers 😉
sage star
How am I supposed to get https://www.wowhead.com/quest=83489/gathering-all-gladiators to pop again? I've done like an hour of arena skirmishes not sure if I should keep doing this.
it's just rng bs?
heady ridge
just wanted to share that i crafted the engi googles with my spark and i hate everything about it
"yeah professions arent supposed to give dps" brother i'm losing dps for using them
spice spire
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grim oasis
whats the command for the rotational infographics?
strange python
Hey is there a resource that shows which talent tree is best for each boss?
gritty laurel
wowhead
novel star
!up
prisma monolithBOT
shy marten
what's harbinger
gritty laurel
Where? I can't find it per boss
top right
rain mortar
doing raid on night 2 makes your parses feel like you are a gigachad lmao
open mountain
So with these new echoing reprimand changes, we need to spend one extra point, I’m guessing we would drop the single point in lethality?
vapid geode
what should I select for M+ sims? I have 4 trinkets I want to sim. Is dungeon slice the best or do I need to set up a target dummy style sim?
quartz osprey
Is Sin still the premier m+ and ST rogue spec?
gaunt mortar
what are the two best crafted things to craft right now ? weapon and belt ?
gritty laurel
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
gaunt mortar
@prisma monolith thanks i plan on doing keys and raiding this season so Idk what i wanna do fully but thanks for the advice
hexed matrix
did you just thank the bot, thats so kind
gaunt mortar
hahaha yea i jsut realized i did HAHHAAH
gaunt mortar
im such a noob
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
mossy hazel
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tall jay
When do we move from bleed build in m0
sick bridge
Any idea why my Kingsbane damage is super low? I'm keeping Shiv up and getting full melee uptime
willow cloud
poisons on?
sick bridge
Yeah it's consistently around 5% of my damage
Other Rogue is getting much higher max hits
sonic zinc
for raid, is best hero talent fatebound?
wide dome
Is energy management a thing when it comes to playing assa?
I go energy starved quite often during boss pulls, no thistle tea charges left
kinda stuck in limbo
sick bridge
I don't think I run out of energy on the majority of bosses
keen spruce
!energy
empty viper
Is energy management a thing when it comes to playing assa?
its normal
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
frigid pilot
sin moment
soft drift
could be a silly question
high mantle
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static glacier
sin moment
Sample size issue
90th percentile of sin players and OL / sub are wildly different
keen spruce
do we use envenom at 6 CP
unless something has changed drastically since last xpac you env at 5+ cp
iirc there's some case where you 7pt envenom now? idk someone that plays can tell you.
static glacier
or is it worth it to mutilate to push us to 7
You do that before using envenom with darkest night when playing deathstalker
keen spruce
basically losing the CP from seal fate is worse than the 'inefficiency' of envenoming on lower cp
visual flume
any tips on easiest delves for rogue? struggling to push past tier 8 
keen spruce
play OL or Sub 
wind falcon
Yes, just do them in a group
visual flume
also is solo the strat or should i be in group ?
sick bridge
You can solo all the T8 delves pretty easily
empty viper
Yes, just do them in a group
this only
lusty narwhal
Why tf is my deathmark dropping on st
is there a bugged interaction with any classes that remove it
visual flume
ty ty @wind falcon @empty viper
sick bridge
I think you can lose it if you're too far away when the mob it's on dies
wind falcon
Although prepare to die to insect swarm on some of the bosses cause people are derp
scenic nacelle
Why tf is my deathmark dropping on st
it happened during silken council and it was really annoying. Happens when a boss with the mark just "disappears" from the arena it eats your mark
so i swapped to FB
crude anvil
why does deathstalker still use echoing reprimand if it doesnt work together
young dust
Guys, there';s something in the raid causing me to lose stealth on pull, before being able to ambush and apply deathmark. Did anyone had that happen as well?
young dust
Why tf is my deathmark dropping on st
silken court as well
empty viper
Guys, there';s something in the raid causing me to lose stealth on pull, before ...
no , i always shroud for pull nothing happens
keen spruce
Guys, there';s something in the raid causing me to lose stealth on pull, before ...
do you have any macros causing you to drink a pot or tea or something?
empty viper
do you have any macros causing you to drink a pot or tea or something?
just press my keybind
hollow blade
is harvester edict trinket any good?
upper tulip
I might be missing something, but wouldn't we already have a new mark from Darkest Night before hitting vanish?
young dust
do you have any macros causing you to drink a pot or tea or something?
nope, some bosses it happened but some didnt..trying to figure out if its another class' skill or something
keen spruce
is harvester edict trinket any good?
listed as kind of okay on the lists. sim it vs what you have currently
lusty narwhal
silken court as well
So weird, was ust hitting first boss of Siege, no phases or anything
just dropped off entirely after 1 envenom
young dust
So weird, was ust hitting first boss of Siege, no phases or anything
i think it was on anub'arash burrow
not sure though
sudden phoenix
Hey guys question regarding ST rotation.
During death mark and Kingsbane… do I always refresh garrote at the end of the KB window even if I have more than say 10 seconds, and am I meant to be refreshing rupture at the end of that window aswell or nah
cursive mortar
Is there any preference to which weak auras yall use, or one in the list that easily tracks kingsbane?
sudden phoenix
I downloaded a KB specific one Konspiiracy, I think it’s one of the last ones on the !wa list, it’s great
wraith burrow
Anyone have a good texture like wa for bleeds and poisons? I was having lua errors and deleted something I didn't intend to
I had notter's form dragonflight but can't find it on wago again
acoustic roost
Is there any preference to which weak auras yall use, or one in the list that ea...
LE’s kingsbane is really good. Even has the option to put shiv/tea ticks on it
fleet atlas
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scenic nacelle
I might be missing something, but wouldn't we already have a new mark from Darke...
applying mark with vanish when you have darkest night active makes it so when you envenom you end up with 2 stacks of marks
cursive mortar
LE’s kingsbane is really good. Even has the option to put shiv/tea ticks on it
Is that the group or collection?
acoustic roost
It’s in the group, but the collection has it individually if you want to use another
sudden phoenix
Hey guys question regarding ST rotation.
During death mark and Kingsbane… do I ...
Bump
vapid geode
anyone i can whisper in game about trinkets? im US Alliance, my dungeon slice sim is looking sus
vapid geode
keen spruce
what's currently equipped?
vapid geode
spyglass and imperfect serum
empty viper
what is sus?
vapid geode
i dont understand why double crit equip would be better than 1 crit / a 7k agiil on use with 800 secondary stat
runic depot
How’s everyone going with tier 8 delves
runic depot
Getting absolutely trucked solo
keen spruce
empty viper
How’s everyone going with tier 8 delves
LF a group and dont stress yourself
runic depot
Fair enough
empty viper
1dd 1 tank 1 heal is nice
slate crown
they feel like a breeze with just 2 people
runic depot
so much for solo content lol
empty viper
later on when we have more gear it ll be easy i guess
cursive frost
does queen ring's damage get increased by our talents?
sick bridge
T8 is pretty easy, just DoT and let Bran tank
runic depot
T8 is pretty easy, just DoT and let Bran tank
As dps brann?
how does he get aggro from u
young dust
!stats
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
rough lodge
Does anybody know if I can shadowstep over the ring on Queen Ansurek?
blazing jewel
digital fern
is ascension on dagger + dawnthread still bis or 2 dawnthreads?
fickle girder
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
novel star
still no raid and no bitches
formal pasture
anyone soloed zekvir ?
digital fern
ty
cinder bone
Guys, there';s something in the raid causing me to lose stealth on pull, before ...
There was a shaman totem doing it in my raid earlier
empty viper
!fuu
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silk bane
<@167090536602140682> . we are so fucking back
@spice spire lock in
young dust
There was a shaman totem doing it in my raid earlier
omg that might be it
which totem?
plush bronze
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
arctic socket
novel star
!up
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cinder bone
which totem?
I forget. It was like dark red but maybe thats a race thing
fickle lotus
Is it new that the runed (heroic) crest crafted gear is 6 ilvls lower rather than 3?
wide ferry
we have a catalyst charge this week?
cinder bone
we have a catalyst charge this week?
yes
wide ferry
anyone got any idea how much of a dps increase the 2piece would be?
gaunt mortar
is haste mastery the best stats to put on the off hand ?
empty viper
is haste mastery the best stats to put on the off hand ?
sim it
quartz halo
Yo my envenom dmg is low. Do you guys spam envenom or wait till it gets to 1 sec and then reapply it?
balmy condor
Yo my envenom dmg is low. Do you guys spam envenom or wait till it gets to 1 sec...
The second
young dust
very negligible
quartz halo
So why is my envenom dmg so low
wide ferry
wow lol
young dust
Yo my envenom dmg is low. Do you guys spam envenom or wait till it gets to 1 sec...
are you using it on 7cp
quartz halo
I try to
wide ferry
thats...really shitty lol was going to take a hit on ilevel 610 gloves and use 600 tier and catalyst chest for the 2 piece but i have a feeling itll be a loss
fallow flax
guys i just wanna check if sims are working right:
It says that this item
sims better on rouge
but what range attacks do we even have
to proc it
do i start throwing daggers now kek
topaz pebble
balmy condor
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
restive falcon
is the transmitter actually good on use?
cause i still got the 593 signet from priory
empty viper
sim it
restive falcon
i mean its a 19k gain but is the onuse like cringe af to use or
west crown
Will the changes matter that much? Some utility nerfs but not that bad on dmg
novel star
i mean its a 19k gain but is the onuse like cringe af to use or
extremely indefensibly cringe
restive falcon
idk if youre trolling or not
novel star
like REALLY REALLY bad
restive falcon
viral meteor
how does he get aggro from u
Tricks, mostly. Or vanish/shadowmeld if you have it
vivid crown
lol
static glacier
i mean its a 19k gain but is the onuse like cringe af to use or
for me the decision is fairly simple, it's the kind of thing I use for farm, for prog if doing a minigame makes me take avoidable dmg or grief a mechanic even once in 100s of pulls it's not worth the extra 10k dps the raid gets from me using it
if it was always the triple jump it'd be fine
but the others are peak cringe
static glacier
farm is when people play to pad / log
novel star
farm is when people play to pad / log
i mean true but also like
static glacier
im sure some people will run it and get good results but imo i'd rather just chill
novel star
who care kinda
graceful bane
anyone soloed zekvir ?
it's doable solo yea
novel star
idk 
static glacier
branch had me suicide on volc last tier and I carry the shame with me still
novel star
it's doable solo yea
tricks cheese or other stuf
graceful bane
didnt really need to use tricks cause bran at high enough lvl does so much dps he riped aggro from me
novel star
LMAO
graceful bane
even on his teir 11 delve version
novel star
aint no way
fiery cradle
These Echoing Reprimand changes seem like a nerf to Sin. I was using them to more economically get through Deathmark charges
graceful bane
aint no way
novel star
These Echoing Reprimand changes seem like a nerf to Sin. I was using them to mor...
wdym
i mean er changes are a nerf but just because the effect is +2cp. wdym by the second part
outer sundial
These Echoing Reprimand changes seem like a nerf to Sin. I was using them to mor...
lol
fiery cradle
They will no longer charge combo points at 3-4-5, it just makes the next 2 finishers hit for max
brazen wedge
!embelishment
novel star
They will no longer charge combo points at 3-4-5, it just makes the next 2 finis...
no?
what changes did you read
oh ik what ur saying now nvm
dapper cradle
[More PTR Notes](<https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-devel...
whisp said mut deals additional damage
did he mean envenom?
novel star
errm i mean idk
dapper cradle
ohhh I didn't get how that worked
novel star
you couldnt really rely on reprimand for ur energy economy anyway
dapper cradle
so it's a bigger spender and then you get bonus builder
brazen wedge
what embelishment to get?
novel star
sometimes it helped but it was unreliable like everything related to the talent in general
dapper cradle
they finally let the rogue dev out of the goon cave
balmy condor
what embelishment to get?
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
novel star
also
how is it next 2 finishers
the patch notes make it sound like it's just animacharged cps renamed to supercharged to get rid of shadowlands connection
youll still have rng crits where you cant use em no?
balmy condor
There’s no mini game
raven egret
Dawnthread x2 enjoyers rise up! as soon as I get to45 runed crest that is
novel star
There’s no mini game
is that how it is on ptr or smth
like is it just saying combo points for flavour idgi 
ig i can just update and check
novel star
yes i understand
fiery cradle
Supercharger activates on Shiv, spends on finisher
novel star
"supercharges 2 combo points" is the EXACT SAME wording as "animacharges 3 combo points"
balmy condor
No
fiery cradle
Bruh
balmy condor
It’s “damaging finishing moves consume a point”
crude anvil
how come we vanish ambush without improved garrote in ST opener for deathstalker? doesnt it just ruin it by overriding our stacks back up to 3 from whatever they were at
balmy condor
Not “finishing on a supercharge point empowers the finish”
novel star
ah tru yeah
balmy condor
how come we vanish ambush without improved garrote in ST opener for deathstalker...
You can’t mark on top of a mark
So you just get bonus uptime and -1
crude anvil
So you just get bonus uptime and -1
ty
novel star
main line is trash but the rest makes it make sense
haughty flicker
you are far from the only person to have been confused by the wording
novel star
fickle lotus
I hope the changes push us to a point where we just end up not taking thistle tea 
strange python
are you guys running an aoe spec on broodtwister ovinax?
whole sand
yo does this cooldown/charges thing mean what im reading it as in these changes
or am i being dumb
haughty flicker
infinite tea pog
empty viper
are you guys running an aoe spec on broodtwister ovinax?
caustic spatter only
novel star
i shouldve just gone ptr instead of bothering asking questions 
fickle lotus
are you guys running an aoe spec on broodtwister ovinax?
Just go Raid AoE build on wowhead and take out bone spike for indiscriminate carnage
novel star
getting answers for shit i didnt even ask but would have
by just hitting a dummy for 30s
im dum
empty viper
Just go Raid AoE build on wowhead and take out bone spike for indiscriminate ca...
makes sense , would use both then
graceful bane
yo does this cooldown/charges thing mean what im reading it as in these changes
think there was something bout tea becoming a passive that auto procs at a certain amount of energy
so looks like they're removing the manual use of tea
slate crown
I don't know what you're reading it as so I don't know.
They are not removing the manual usage of tea. In fact the changes updated the tooltip to make that even more clear.
Tea is the same as it is now. It just also automatically consumes a charge when you drop below 30 energy.
The only changes from today are it is now 30 energy, not 50
it was already 50
whole sand
okay, that's all
slate crown
and a tooltip rewording
novel star
datamined notes are unreliable
whole sand
i was assuming the charge removal/cd removel meant it was now passive afterall
slate crown
It is not.
whole sand
ye im just dumb
novel star
that probably means they were experimenting with making it passive overall
and datamined changes just include whatever even if its not actually a change (see ct in previous notes)
whole sand
ah i see
craggy haven
are we still runnin low key bleed for m0s? err the wwow head m+
novel star
novel star
are we still runnin low key bleed for m0s? err the wwow head m+
prolly not tbh
shit actually lives
worn badger
wee, got my champion track regicide !
willow cloud
wee, got my champion track regicide !
Grats. Pump for us poor and unluckiest.
jaunty wave
!wa
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steep vessel
I dont want to have to go Outlaw 😦
red tinsel
Why would you?
fallen moss
is the shadow binding trinket from delve chests?
opal chasm
honestly, I would take those warcraftlogs showing outlaw top performing with a grain of salt, shit just dies so fast in normal raids, blade flurry go brrrr
sick bridge
Wild I didn't get a single drop on three characters
red tinsel
honestly, I would take those warcraftlogs showing outlaw top performing with a g...
We don't even have sets yet. More like a salt mountain
opal chasm
exactly
novel star
surely tier
elfin valley
!wa
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exotic hearth
Does anyone else feel so energy starved?
I've had no haste gear drop so have like 8% haste
novel star
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.
- No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
- 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
- You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target
thorn crater
what embellishments did you guys build?
novel star
haste is not relevant thats just assassination
if you dont want to play around energy management/efficiency youre on the wrong spec
assuming you mean ST
fervent bronze
Does a charged combo point from reprimand not count for darkest night envenom?
novel star
in aoe energy is a bleed uptime issue
novel star
Does a charged combo point from reprimand not count for darkest night envenom?
No
!dn
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Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
- Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
- Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
"it's not a bug"* - Yes it is.
novel star
its a bug
fervent bronze
😦 Thank You
twilit lagoon
haste is not relevant thats just assassination
So, is the intent to hit Envenom primarily during pandemic, and kinda chill otherwise (unless things like bleeds need refreshing?)
novel star
ya
cinder geode
I saw they changed all the wording for envenom to envenoms effect, does this make twisting blades work 3 times with rapid injection and dashing scoundrel?
novel star
if you have sanguine you wanna stay under 150 energy because reasons a command can explain better than i
south lava
!pooling
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Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom
- For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
- For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.
The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.
thorn crater
is everyone running dawnthread? have they finished tuning the embs?
novel star
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime
Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
runic sorrel
Is there a log review channel?
waxen thunder
are people generally crafting their embellishments this week or is the meta to wait until mythic week?
wraith burrow
Did something happen to your WA Whispyr? the 6 second after stealth timer is gone
pallid bough
new ring doesnt work with shiv correct since they white listed items to not work with abilities?
echo talon
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
grave blade
Is the upcoming changes an overall buff or what. Me too dumb.
runic sorrel
can someone tell me what im doing wrong on this fight? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/nickelo#boss=2917
odd flare
novel star
Did something happen to your WA Whispyr? the 6 second after stealth timer is go...
just updated it after 10 days of not doing so and its fine for me
wraith burrow
I was having a lot of ui issues in raid today, updated my stuff too. deleted some auras and even more broke
hopefully tomorrow stuff works or maybe I won't be too annoyed to trouble shoot
novel star
glass hemlock
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wicked zodiac
Guys are you dropping stealth on beggining the raid fight ?
strange python
caustic spatter/carnage for silken court?
wicked dagger
wicked zodiac
im just using caustic
cunning pilot
caustic was way better on silken