assassination

[tender bay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim jay]

Same

Pretty much useless outside of rwf

[subtle tundra]

it only matters to me cause it will be relevant for mythic prog
(i dont have it, wont get it)

[lime wolf]

should i got spatter on the silken court, full single but with spatter?

[errant night]

it's gold farm also, and herbs

[nova aspen]

thats what i did

[arctic socket]

Goated

[grim jay]

You could just do something thats actually worth for gold

And you would do better

[nova aspen]

they share hp, so they should be cleaved as much as possible

[arctic socket]

Wax farming was actually very good for gold at first

[nova aspen]

if tanks are good

[rugged venture]

Caustic is good if they stay stacked, if not it's probably not worth

[grim jay]

Idk anything less than like 200k/hour that isnt fun aint worth it imo

[balmy condor]

that's not what they nerfed though lmao

[arctic socket]

It was like a 500k farm when it was very first discovered

But that’s because everything crafting related was hella overpriced

[grim jay]

500k Gold per hour? With the garbage you get out of it?

[edgy trellis]

maybe stupid question but what happens if I craft 2x dawnthread now and wanna swap ascencion later can we remove embellishments ?

[arctic socket]

We may be thinking of something different

[balmy condor]

Yes

You just recraft

[edgy trellis]

oh ok

[grim oasis]

probably the green gear to DE/Sell

[arctic socket]

The items must have gotten changed at 50 turn ins you would get a satchel and it would have random crafting matieral

[grim jay]

Idk. I certainly didnt do 50 turn ins

[arctic socket]

Was really easy to collect the items as well where people did daily’s.. since you would just fly around looting a little sandpile

[zealous wolf]

597 is max for crafts right now right?

[nova aspen]

fuck i wanna leave work early and grind man

[ruby hound]

I’m struggling with aoe abilities knocking me out of stealth in dungeons. any advice is appreciated, thanks!

[nova aspen]

[balmy condor]

Should be 606 at rank 5 with a spark I would think

[balmy condor]

Improvise, adapt, overcome

[rugged venture]

I feel you brother

[arctic socket]

Watch Whispyr video about stealth in mythic+

[spring moat]

O7

[dense cove]

Wonder if it is worth using the PvP heraldry to craft 610 dagger with ascension and save a spark

[grim oasis]

where are yall farming bubbling waxs?

[arctic socket]

!wax

[prisma monolith]

Bubbling Wax is roughly on par with whetstones and are free. Some caveats:

• Right now having wax applied to your offhand does nothing. Make sure you apply wax first, then apply your whetstone
• The quickest way to farm for wax is pickpocketing the kobolds in front of darkflame cleft
• If you have no idea what any of this is, you need to start the questline with "Brax's Brass Knuckles", then walk into the inn and talk to the vent to start "Go Take Candle". Once you complete the short questline, you can pickpocket wax from the kobolds

[spring moat]

Long time stealther here. Any log savants here ? I got logs from last night. Would like critiques

[grim oasis]

Darkflame Cleft got it TY

[plush vessel]

i regret simming after i lost all my outlaw gear and swapped to assas went from 1.1 mil sim to 780

[ruby hound]

Sure, I’m trying. Asking more specifically for tips or pathing/timing advice? Something I can practice

[zealous wolf]

yep waist+boots with 610 wrist is best sim

[tall pelican]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[queen egret]

what is the best thing to craft from the PVP tokens?

[slim pebble]

Outlaw sims were also fucked Tbf

[delicate imp]

are we really 300k behind outlaw?

o

[solar ginkgo]

New Rogue here, what hero talent will you guys be running for the raid? Which one feels the most fun? 🙂

[lusty thicket]

outlaw seems to be outperforming tho..

[balmy condor]

Nop, just a lot of aoe

[slim pebble]

Outlaw rogue in my raid was consistently hitting his sim dps last night

[balmy condor]

Is what it is

[rugged venture]

Neither both our hero talents are very underwhelming

[dense cove]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rugged venture]

Visually I mean

[grim jay]

Deathstalker

[ionic trench]

!delve

what is the command for the delve strat thing?

[vale lantern]

Alloy’s so expensive for dagger 😦

[grim jay]

Just loot one

Easy

[ocean plover]

mates what should we craft with our first spark? tell me your thoughts

[grim jay]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[vale lantern]

That would be easy but then I have to loot one

[ocean plover]

thanks

[real pike]

holy god skittering reach is regarded

[dense cove]

Anyone have a favorite addon for character screen that shows item level, missing enchants?

[echo condor]

Can I use a Delver's Bounty on a normal delve ? tier 8 ?

[royal lantern]

no?

[royal lantern]

filter evasion

[real pike]

I don't know what this means 😭 but half the time my light dash's don't even register and clear the floor

[vestal fractal]

any experienced rogue down to expend a little bit of time to answer some of my question in a vc? :p would appreciate it. I feel im underperforming

[balmy condor]

!delve

[prisma monolith]

Soloing Delves is really hard currently. Some solutions:

• Do them with a tank+healer in a 3 man. This seems to be lenient on scaling
• Go outlaw/subtlety with trickster, take the 1 hour tricks of the trade talent, cast tricks on brann (I personally put brann on my focus and use /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade)
• For objective/pickup object based delves, you can sap/aoe blind, pick up the item, then vanish. This is slow but will get the job done most of the time
• Put Netflix on your second monitor or something while you wait for your 2min cooldowns to come back up so you can pull another 3 pack of mobs, 2 of which are sapped/blinded, you’re in for a long delve

[errant night]

it's trash, right?

[ionic trench]

thanks but not this one, there was one about doing them on alts so you get higher gear on main?

[balmy condor]

That’s some insanely cringe thing where people were avoiding map drops while unlocking tier 8’s

[rose sun]

@balmy condor what plater profile you use if any?

[balmy condor]

There’s a low chance of getting a map

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[crisp stream]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

That one

[crisp stream]

timing bro

xD

[ruby orbit]

too slow

[crisp pine]

Don't maps only drop in bountiful delves anyway?

[ionic trench]

ah ok, so I shouldnt care?

[balmy condor]

If you’ve already unlocked 8’s, no

[zealous wolf]

im so lost in crafting its insane

am i this dumb or what

[balmy condor]

Idk the strat honestly I just know some people were malding out of their mind cause they got a map from a 7 and not an 8

[subtle tundra]

nope its convoluted

[crisp pine]

Holy fuck it's over

[grim jay]

Just doing then on an alt to 8 and then only 8s on the main

[balmy condor]

Yeah miss me with that shit

[errant night]

will it be okay to replace ara-kara sacbrood with this new 603 one? for pure ilvl and agil

[zealous wolf]

if i dont have the runed harbinger crests do i just craft 597 items and recraft later when i get crests?

[errant night]

on no sense?

[subtle tundra]

s i m

[ruby orbit]

pull out the bm hunter

[lyric cypress]

when you vanish mid fight do you ambush for a new deathmark or garrote?

[errant night]

oh ok, will try

[balmy condor]

Depends on your talents I guess

[queen egret]

how does socketing work now - can u add two sockets to any ring or neck ?

[grim jay]

Im doing that anyways bcs my bdk just breezes through them and I spend less time

[lyric cypress]

pure ST for raid

[balmy condor]

Well if you don’t have improved garrote

You have no reason to vanish for garrote

So you’d do it for the mark

[lyric cypress]

cool thank u

[acoustic roost]

Yes

[queen egret]

just from buying the thing from AH ?

[acoustic roost]

Yes

[queen egret]

so the only thing you save from crafting a ring with socket is that money?

[acoustic roost]

Yes

[sterile violet]

ok so i did the new raid normal and i got 2 regicide should i upgrade them max or ...

[zealous wolf]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[split flame]

that pvp badge of ferocity trinket any good for pve? like its got on demand primary stat boost and lines up with Kingsbane every 1 minute, its like Ashes from s3-s4 Dragonflight

[slim pebble]

The MH would be worth upgrading

Offhand damage barely matters

[balmy condor]

Bad

[abstract needle]

@balmy condor whats your fatebound talents?

[balmy condor]

Wowhead

[sterile violet]

thanks

[thorny crown]

@balmy condor Do you have a link to setup plater like you? have so much stuff going on right now on them. Yours looks insanely clean

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[balmy condor]

Bottom link

[thorny crown]

ur the best, thank you 😄

[flint tusk]

That's a masterful Whispyr sandwich right there.

[serene wyvern]

is it worth to craft wep with ascension considering i didnt get a dagger from m0?

[balmy condor]

Bacon lettuce tomplater

[balmy condor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[serene wyvern]

thnx ❤️

[errant night]

doing this first time. why is it giving me error?

i already selected 2 (even 3 on trinkets) items

[strange maple]

hey guys is crafting 2 dagger viable ?

[willow grotto]

No care of offhand weapon dps

[zenith prairie]

Should we have 1.5 sparks this week? Next week we can craft 2nd item? Or am I ahead one

[abstract needle]

do i match cold blood with kings bane?

[soft scaffold]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[dim summit]

I just crafted 2 items and for some reason the dawnthread lining is not stacking?

[balmy condor]

Usually when I see this it’s a bad import but idk

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t suggest crafting an offhand generally

[balmy condor]

Yes, this week is 1.5

[errant night]

I import from this addon

[balmy condor]

No

[slim pebble]

Did deathstalker feel bad on bosses for anyone? The bosses with add phases seem like it would feel bad

[balmy condor]

!dawnthread

[prisma monolith]

Dawnthread has the same bug as Blue Silk Lining from Dragonflight where it fails to stack.
In order to fix it and trigger your second Dawnthread, take damage to drop under 80% health, then heal back up.

[restive hawk]

2 sparks this week

[abstract needle]

so whats the best use for it?

[balmy condor]

Was okay

[balmy condor]

HUHHHHH

[balmy condor]

On cooldown

[slim pebble]

I wasn’t sure what you were playing, the coin is throwing me off lol

[balmy condor]

How are you able to get 2 halves this week

[balmy condor]

I played both

[vestal fractal]

Is there any preference between LW bracers or Engi?

[slim pebble]

I have a spark dagger equipped and a half a spark in my bag

[balmy condor]

Can engi be embellished?

[slim pebble]

I think you missed something / cause I haven’t done the weekly this week

[loud trench]

!plater

[balmy condor]

There was no weekly for spark that I could find

[restive hawk]

started with 1.5 today and dropped the 4th one from weekly this morning

[vestal fractal]

No

[balmy condor]

The preference is not that

[vestal fractal]

"tinker"

[royal lantern]

delvr weekly gives a spark shard

the "do 2 nerubian delves"

[balmy condor]

I don’t have that

[royal lantern]

maybe a different quest on NA?

[restive hawk]

you need to do something for it, i dont have quest on my alts either

but showed up for main

[royal lantern]

well, talk with brann in town

[quaint hull]

u missing out

[balmy condor]

Incredible

[royal lantern]

for the delve seasonal introduction

[balmy condor]

I have no quests in town for delve

[royal lantern]

and then i got the delve weekly

[kind talon]

yeah i have 2 606 crafted as well

[balmy condor]

I’m miserable!

[restive hawk]

there is something that needs to be done before you get the quest, no idea what the prerequisite is tho

[queen egret]

how much ilvl is socket worth on ring?

[royal lantern]

hi miserable

[loud trench]

@balmy condor is caustic spatter having issues with your plater profile or is it just mine and I need a clean install

[kind talon]

the one i was missing was that story to turn in that last 100 fragments. once i turned that in i got a pinnacle and it had a half in it

but i think that was an older one. i got a rando one from a delve yesterday too

[vestal fractal]

cries in maxxed out engi knowledge

[balmy condor]

It sometimes stays green and I have no fucking idea why

[loud trench]

Okay it’s just not even showing up lol I’ll try a clean install

[balmy condor]

I recoded the whole thing as a mod instead of a script

[zealous wolf]

what stats do you guys craft on embelishment gear? sim or?

[balmy condor]

And it still does it

[restive hawk]

if i want do multispecc with outlaw we just send dawnthread right?

[balmy condor]

I just didn’t put a missive in and equipped whatever they crafted

But could sim

[zealous wolf]

ah

[potent dawn]

The do 2 Nerubian Delves was the "weekly" that gave the Pinnacle crate

[balmy condor]

Yes

I don’t have that

[potent dawn]

And that was spark 4

[restive hawk]

you will get one next week then, dont worry

[potent dawn]

1 Week 1 (which became a whole with the quest) and then 2 weeklies

[zealous wolf]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[safe shale]

Feelsbadma

[flint tusk]

feelsbad being average?

[ruby orbit]

weeklys seem weird. my warrior had to do the titan fragments one this week instead of getting the delve one.

[safe shale]

Nah outlaw always being better 💔

[restive hawk]

none of my guildies wants to believe me when i tell them sin is bad

[safe shale]

becuase sin isnt bad

[flint tusk]

HUH

[restive hawk]

worse than the other specs*

[balmy condor]

Oh look, assa exactly where I said it would be

[safe shale]

Yeah it is tbh

[abstract needle]

M+

?

[spice spire]

The dooming at the beginning is looking awfully silly for outlaw

That’s raid

[abstract needle]

seems about right

[spring moat]

Long as I’m not carried I’m chill

[royal lantern]

is there ANY other weekly avaible?

idk, do a specific dungeon or smth like that

[balmy condor]

Outlaw has been the best spec for delves imo

[balmy condor]

No clue

[spice spire]

10 world quests too

[slim pebble]

If I remember whispyr the Delve weekly wasn’t showing up on my map

[balmy condor]

I do not wish this evil on my worst enemy

[hidden light]

I wish I could get outlaw to perform well, but the raid lag was super heavy last night

sin could play through it at least

[royal lantern]

when is outlaw NOT dooming

like, not even a meme, the "spec is UNPLAYABLE" is a thing i read since BfA every tier lol

[spice spire]

They’re just like us fr

[fluid dust]

What's the best play for crafting if I plan to play outlaw for both raid and m+

[safe shale]

Yeah that is true though

outlaw has felt shite to play for liike 4 years

[glossy grove]

is the ara kara egg bis?

[vestal fractal]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[safe shale]

damage wise, numbers are good, but no outlaw player wanted shadowdance or vanish to be part of a rotation

[spice spire]

It is. They have a lot of ways to kite around and some mitigation (ks) that we don’t

Hasn’t vanish like

Always been a major part of the rotation

[safe shale]

Not major, its been part

But the point was it feels weird

[errant night]

so basically we have 5.5 - 6 garanteed keys for delves, right?

[balmy condor]

Weird way to say tricks on brann

[safe shale]

And ambush shadowdance gameplay as outlaw made no sense

[spice spire]

I’d never harm the homie

But I’m about to have to

[balmy condor]

I had 9, I know some people had like 12

[queen egret]

Is spyglass any good for us?

[past bobcat]

You can tricks bran?

[errant night]

yep

[balmy condor]

Yep

[spice spire]

Yes

[modest gale]

how to get maps from delves?

[spice spire]

I had like ten

[balmy condor]

Get lucky

[spice spire]

Random drop

Got one last week

[errant night]

4 from weeklies, 1 from 4 bountiful delves (4 radiant echoes)

[spice spire]

None so far this week

[errant night]

and maybe 1 key from world quests (if happen)(

[zealous wolf]

you guys raiding with deathstalker or fatebound?

[balmy condor]

Both

[vestal fractal]

King's Bane on CD always, including 2 shiv = Correct?

[rare jackal]

wtf you can have two sparks??

what madness is this

[robust axle]

I guess you Can just farm tier8 delves over and over for the map drops

[rare jackal]

have to be bountiful IIRC

[unique sentinel]

that actually sounds like a good one

[tall jay]

ok, so, DS with Cleave? or FB with Cleave for most of these fights? cause the ST for both don't seem to feel good for me?

[nova aspen]

outlaw poopin

[normal mist]

Happy for the yellow dudes

Let them pump

[tawny umbra]

hello fellow assa's quick q

skadyrns or treacherous transmiter bis

[normal mist]

Ska

[tawny umbra]

sure right bud

[spice spire]

Skadryns

[tawny umbra]

❤️ ty

[normal mist]

Quake gets an heart

I get a bud

We're indeed not the same

[spice spire]

Simply constructed in a different manner

[robust axle]

Nearly no FB Sim Rogues on wcl 😦

[normal mist]

Yeah and that's fine

[west willow]

contraband

[icy osprey]

we still waiting with crafts?

[tall jay]

so is DS better then?

[haughty sand]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[crystal delta]

How much haste are you all going for with assa to feel compfy?

[normal mist]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[normal mist]

Haste isn't the issue with the spec

[tired gull]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crystal delta]

so i have 1% haste thats fine?

[normal mist]

If your Sims say it is

It's all about simming your character with the items you have

[wheat tiger]

raidbots doesnt seem to want me to put different color gems in to take advantage of the gem that does .15% crit for color gems.

[vestal fractal]

should i King's Bane on CD always, including 2 shiv ? or can i use my shivs more freely than that

[wheat tiger]

is it broken or what

[normal mist]

Kb on cd + 2 shiv yes

[sullen phoenix]

so we shouldnt use shiv anythime outside of kb?

[normal mist]

I can't be sure of the reasoning there so I'd wait for either @spice surge or Whispyr to check chat

[normal mist]

Exactly

You always save shivs for kb

[wheat tiger]

ok ill come back thanks. Its almost like raidbots is not smartenough to try different combos for the 5 sockets i have and pick up the crit chance

[ocean plover]

yo is Everforged Stabber the Dagger craft to go? there is another option

[wheat tiger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a8BvQsDiuxxmLeCyAMMNPc

[sullen phoenix]

uh i cant decide should i go dawnthread or w banding on belt..

[next dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal mist]

If it has agility and no special embellishment that the one

[normal mist]

Banding?

[spice surge]

Ye idk raidbots is scuffed

[spice spire]

Holy mastery gems

[ocean plover]

my plan is to got Dagger Ascension and Writhing Armor Banding after

[vestal fractal]

So We take Arterial Precision for the bleed increase only, not the cleave effect?

[sullen phoenix]

writhing armor banding

[open canyon]

Guys i have a question, in M+ Boss situation with burst its on CD, do we spam Evenom or just wait until Evenom buff its about to expire? i feel like im starving for energy

[normal mist]

Yes (in st that's the reason)

[gray hazel]

does anyone have the string for raidbots for the dawn or the acension pieces to sim?

[normal mist]

Yeah thx was kinda lost for a moment

[normal mist]

CDs = spam
No CDs = maintain envenom buff

[sullen phoenix]

np haha 😄 rly cannot decide ffs :B

[spice spire]

Chain envenom buff don’t spam envenom

[drifting basin]

man i just saw ulrias sims, and outlaw is simming 16% above assa in full BiS??????

[spice spire]

Let me see if I can dig it up

[subtle tundra]

as i said, nerf assa

[drifting basin]

do we believe in those sims

[normal mist]

Damn

[soft bluff]

tricksing brann vs the big guys in underkeep does not work and its very disappointing

[gray hazel]

Thank you!

[devout sphinx]

outlaw always sims high but tell me the last time it was played

[drifting basin]

but 16% seems like unignorable difference

[faint path]

only sims

assas is way better than outlmao

[devout sphinx]

(it is)

[candid siren]

hello, anyone know which crafted items are good ?

[normal mist]

Yeah idc

[drifting basin]

but dunno how punishing outlaw is nowadays

[normal mist]

I only play assa

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[wheat tiger]

Strangely. the sims from !fuu do not have the gems in them that does the crit.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/43kf27auDUxdJJw7tKixu8

[nova aspen]

^ outlaw was played last night

[vestal fractal]

do you guys think the thistle tea change in the patch notes nerfs assa? wont be able to time thistle tea with kb as effectively?

[rain mortar]

dumb question probably but can i do Ascension AND my two Dawnthread linings?

[normal mist]

It's a thing. Not a huge problem imho

[slate crown]

You don't really time tea with kb anymore anyways

[normal mist]

Not if ascension is an emb

[slate crown]

But yes, it will make it less controlable

[vestal fractal]

really? i thought you had to keep mastery up for that window?

[rugged venture]

You do

[slate crown]

You use shiv with tea

[rugged venture]

And should

[slate crown]

tea with shiv*

[rugged venture]

You use both

[slate crown]

Which happens to line up with kb

sure

[spice surge]

They do

[slate crown]

but the goal is with shiv

[spice surge]

Its in the bracers

[vestal fractal]

Ah so I can just macro tea and shiv together?

[slate crown]

Well

you use it with shiv if it won't cap your energy

[worldly nebula]

has this been nerfed or something?

[vestal fractal]

makes sense

[worldly nebula]

it shouldnt be 89 second stats right?

[ocean plover]

if i go Dagger Ascension is Everforged Stabber the right Dagger or Siphoning Stiletto ?

[wheat tiger]

i missed it. Looks like they are doing the different colors. thanks

[normal mist]

No

Not siphoning

[worldly nebula]

stabber

careful not to get the int dagger

but on that topic

[vestal fractal]

1 more: darkest night works with echoing reprimande ?

[worldly nebula]

I am confusion

[normal mist]

Not yet

[ocean plover]

thanks mates

[slate crown]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[errant night]

guys should i wait till the keys are no more, or should i craft something now?

[normal mist]

Up to you

[bitter apex]

is shadowed essence sim bait?

[vestal fractal]

F

[wheat tiger]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[spice spire]

Too dumb to find it on mobile @gray hazel sorry big dog

[worldly nebula]

This is the baseline embellish on wowhead:

it makes no sense

[gray hazel]

all good, thanks for lookin!

[spice spire]

Yeah there’s not a line on it - wait

[thorn fjord]

[vestal fractal]

what is a good placeholder enchant to save some money until i can repllace my dagger? councils guile on it atm

[normal mist]

I went CRIT aswell

[vestal fractal]

tyvm

[sullen phoenix]

1 thing confuses me,if i dont play improved garrote why its part of rotation to go into vanish after cds when we can continue applying deathstalker's mark via darkest night?

[thorn fjord]

Got lucky last night

[vestal fractal]

is there any !command to see enchants and stuff?

[thorn fjord]

4p and a heroic and normal raid dagger

[worldly nebula]

im being ignored Aggy

[normal mist]

If you ambush when DN is up, you get both 3 stacks and DN remains active

[quartz lance]

Raid Lead / Officer privilege?

[sullen phoenix]

aah i see now, ty lol ❤️

[normal mist]

I had that same question a few hours ago

[spice spire]

Error

[thorn fjord]

Just core raiders,.. I got one piece of tier off LFR so I got fed

And the only rogue so agi daggers come to me

[normal mist]

Ez

[gentle helm]

dont even double check when crafting the dagger, take the 50/50 thats the fatebound way

[thorn fjord]

Nice because now I can fish for an OL MH in dungeons

[normal mist]

I like the way you think

[thorn fjord]

Y’all vibing with the raid?

It’s cool for the most part

Last boss is really cool

[subtle tundra]

idk buddy

[slate crown]

benefits of being a low represented class

[subtle tundra]

not everyone is NA....

[slate crown]

I was only rogue in raid last night

[thorn fjord]

Sucks to suck

[subtle tundra]

raid in 3hrs

[cloud basin]

didnt do too bad last night lol, except having to tank the last 5% of Sikran LOL

[thorn fjord]

Think my least favorite fight is the second one

[sullen phoenix]

i am the only rogue in my guild too XD

[west cove]

is the everforged stabber the one to craft?

[candid siren]

anyone can tell which is the best weapon enchant ? ❤️

[normal mist]

Authority of the depths

[elder blaze]

Wait for the second boss on Wowhead guide it says: "we're taking some more AoE with Crimson Tempest" but the talent import doesnt take Crimson Tempest

[indigo mulch]

I'm getting absolutly rekt in delv lmao

[normal mist]

Or just check the guides in Wowhead/icyveins

[indigo mulch]

some of the mobs in there almost oneshots me D:

[subtle tundra]

probably none will be my favorite one

[empty viper]

just do it with a group

[subtle tundra]

3 splits

!delve

[prisma monolith]

Soloing Delves is really hard currently. Some solutions:

• Do them with a tank+healer in a 3 man. This seems to be lenient on scaling
• Go outlaw/subtlety with trickster, take the 1 hour tricks of the trade talent, cast tricks on brann (I personally put brann on my focus and use /cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade)
• For objective/pickup object based delves, you can sap/aoe blind, pick up the item, then vanish. This is slow but will get the job done most of the time
• Put Netflix on your second monitor or something while you wait for your 2min cooldowns to come back up so you can pull another 3 pack of mobs, 2 of which are sapped/blinded, you’re in for a long delve

[subtle tundra]

tldr
dont do solo

did 4 on 3 characters and its so so so much easier in a group
the hp barely scales with more people

[cloud basin]

i soloed up to 8s. Tier 7+ suck to solo lol

[gentle helm]

you can probably solo a 7 at around 585ish, thatll give you champion loot if you dont mind spending crests

[empty viper]

!spark

[thorn fjord]

Yeah or at the least a tank

[cloud basin]

even Zekvir sucked to solo lol. I got him down to 65% though

[timber sage]

pins

[subtle tundra]

nah you dont need tank

[sullen phoenix]

is it still better to do on alts first?

[subtle tundra]

you need heal

[gleaming geyser]

I think Sikran, Kyveza and Queen are amazing

[subtle tundra]

i did 2x dps 1 heal non stop killing mobs

[gleaming geyser]

egg boss is mid as heck, rest are ok

[cloud basin]

Rash was pretty fun tbh\

[thorn fjord]

Egg boss character model is so dumb looking lol

[gleaming geyser]

ghuun at home

[thorn fjord]

Mini ghuun

[short fox]

wich spec is the best for in raids?

[thorn fjord]

All 3 are a vibe

[indigo mulch]

Bard

[gleaming geyser]

warrior was having a blast, so I'm assuming subs shorter CDs would have a great damage profile with adds and timers

(i have no clue tho)

[thorn fjord]

OL looking pretty nice too

[orchid wind]

on st , if i'm not playing with Improved Garrote, i should send Vanish with death mark and ambush instead of improved garrote right ? ( i readed the guide, just wanted to be sure)

[thorn fjord]

Using vanish to get a new DS mark up

[orchid wind]

and FoK is prio after right ? to use the clear of witness

[thorn fjord]

No FoK with VV no imp build

Not in ST anyway

[orchid wind]

i see, ty

[subtle tundra]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[drowsy orchid]

Does quick sim apply all the poisons? Buff time doesnt show the poisons and there is only bone spike in Constant Buffs

[fiery harbor]

is there some sort of list/guide as of how gearing works now when season started? im 582 ilvl

[cedar hare]

Damn assa rogue is doing the worst this raid tier comapred to other rogue specs

[sullen phoenix]

but its most fun at least for me xd

[empty viper]

u cant play outlaw with daggers , right?

[thorn fjord]

Dagger in OH

[severe sparrow]

you need a 1h mh

[cedar hare]

Well even sub is doing more dmg atm

[spice surge]

Wowhead tooltip is just wrong

[empty viper]

ok thx

[thorn fjord]

Sin is prob under represented

[ocean plover]

Best Slot to put Writhing Armor Banding? I got Ascension on my Weapon.

[thorn fjord]

But all 3 should be close

[cedar hare]

it hase more pharses but do alot less dmg in logs atm

[manic stratus]

Dagger + ascension havent been nerfed right ? så still bis

[cedar hare]

they are not.

[ocean plover]

whats the best slot for Writhing Armor Banding?

dont want to waste my 2nd Spark

[cedar hare]

its everything from 100-300k diffrence depending on boss in dps atm

[visual hemlock]

Is it worth crafting non spark dagger with ascention?

[severe sparrow]

is that pad dmg on shitter adds though?

(i legit havent looked)

[cedar hare]

No. 100k ST

[sweet forge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[gray hazel]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[empty viper]

man raidbots is sweating rn

[cedar hare]

Assa is only top 10 as rogue on 3 boss so far in HC clear. rest of the bosses are sub and outlaw

[severe sparrow]

[spice spire]

[clear oar]

is it safe to spend sparks yet

[severe sparrow]

guess that's just how it be

[cedar hare]

Outlaw > sub > assa

[spice spire]

[fallen rampart]

I have no time to pivot before tonight’s raid damn it

🤣🤣

[vestal fractal]

When there is no agi involved Mastery/crit > ilvl ?

[nova aspen]

dont panic

[severe sparrow]

kir intimidates me so im hesitant to pivot

but i do like pirate

[ocean plover]

than play sub, i mean arent is the same stats prio?

[fallen rampart]

I’ve always liked otl but I went for assa this patch cause it looked like the best choice

Sadge

[hybrid geyser]

so outlaw win in raid too this season? 😮

[cedar hare]

More or less, And thats what i plan to do. Currently assa is onyl good for m+

[cedar hare]

By alot

[ocean plover]

bre we are in day 1 what do you mean with "this season"

[royal lantern]

when there is no mainstat involved, you sim

[empty viper]

just sim , its easier 🙂

[placid adder]

Yall are hilarious

[empty viper]

u can make custom gear to test before u buy or craft

[ocean plover]

Adrenal Surge Clasp :>

[spice spire]

You’ve fallen to outlaw propaganda again

[thorn fjord]

Yar

[ocean plover]

is it Adrenal Surge Clasp or Rune-Branded Waistband with Writhing Armor Branding?

[royal lantern]

outlaws gaslighting everyone INCLUDING THEMSELF into thinking outlaw is weak for yet another patch

and then get a meltdown when they dont get brought for the last boss of the raid and repeat "Its unplayable in raids" for the next 5 months

every single time

[vestal fractal]

im just asking because i got a ring out of m0 that has haste and versa seems pretty Dog to me Id rather keep the Hc with crit and mastery

[spice spire]

Fwiw

[gleaming geyser]

no ones forcing you to play it

[spice spire]

This isn’t a rogue tier I don’t think

[royal lantern]

just sim it

ssimple as that

[slim pebble]

If you guys aren’t raiding in a RWF guild you can play assa. What’s with the dooming lol

[tough hare]

my bubling wax is not proccing in m0

did they nerf both wax ? xD

[gleaming geyser]

did you put it on MH?

[tough hare]

yeah

[light hazel]

Question: is the interaction between Echoing Reprimand and Deathstalkers mark bugged? The charged combo points dont trigger the mark at all. Is Fatebound just better till they fix this bug?

[vestal fractal]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies with a max cp envenom and will be the majority of your applications
• Consuming a Darkest Night proc when a target has 1 stack of the mark will not give you a mark back
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
• Yes, you still want to finish on your animacharged combo points
  "it's not a bug"*
• Yes it is.

[severe sparrow]

yeah but if we like bothhhh ya knowwww idk

[mighty rapids]

I like all 3 rogue specs so ill play whats best i think a lot of ppl do same

[thorn fjord]

A second plane just hit the north tower

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

[placid adder]

Outlaw players only play outlaw

[gleaming geyser]

it procced 93 times over 11 raid bosses for me last night, so it definitely doesnt proc much lol

[thorn fjord]

Not true

[mighty rapids]

Na i played outlaw for M+ last season only

[slim pebble]

Outlaw players don’t even play, they just doom in the class channel

[severe sparrow]

OH FUCK

i forgot to put wax on last night

rip

[spice spire]

This isn’t true. Solo has never doomed a day in their life

[severe sparrow]

i had to swap to heals halfway through the raid anyway cuz one of our heals was out sick

oh well

[spice spire]

Rough

[gleaming geyser]

Barely 0,40% overall damage at 30% crit, not a big loss

[tough hare]

didn't see a proc in any m0 boss lol idk

[vestal fractal]

my bubbling wax is about to proc if you know what im saying

[empty viper]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[spice spire]

What did they mean by this

[severe sparrow]

me when wax

[celest helm]

And always end up meta somehow

I wish someone would make me quake

[spice spire]

Hey king

[celest helm]

My summon worked

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

guys has blizz said anything about valorstone reduced cost on alts

hasnt been working since reset

[slender shale]

Is it just me, or does fatal intent do like no dmg

[subtle tundra]

i currently cant realistically upgrade shit on all characters

[bright crater]

So if I do mythic+, raid and PVP, do I just get different sets for each of them?

[normal mist]

Pretty much

[arctic socket]

Well pvp will definitely be different because you need actual pvp items

[gray horizon]

quick silly question: for a channeled on-use trinket, should i use that before or after Deathmark

[solid venture]

Before

[arctic socket]

Does that 1.5 or 2 second timer mess up our evenom timer

[gray horizon]

i dont think so

[fickle latch]

Whats the fastest Delve to do ?

[gray horizon]

it just feels bad

got this goofy aahh imperfect ascendancy serum for now lol

[strange python]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[gray horizon]

trial and error

if it's magic, use cloak

[novel horizon]

So the maps are completely random, but you can get them from 8s? When I leveled to 8 and did the 4 bountiful delves I didn't see any but didn't look too hard tbh

[gray horizon]

Fun Fact: Sikran's big ass AOE does NOT get impacted by cloak lol

i got clapped by it

[subtle tundra]

tried evasion?

you can evasion some circles

[queen egret]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[queen egret]

when we fail to chain cause of energy, do we just wait till we're 50% energy and then start again ?

[frank quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[fluid smelt]

I like the mini game of dsm and dn. But, anyone else find it annoying when bosses become untargetable or it bugs and falls off during the raid? Makes me want to go fatebound and just not think about it.

[empty viper]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[gray horizon]

Yeah, I've had a few instances where my mark just goes away and I have to vanish just to reapply it

Doesn't feel great

[empty viper]

if i craft a 606 dagger now , i can later recraft it to a higher ilvl with the better crest thing right?

[slim pebble]

Yes

[empty viper]

thank you 🙂

[novel storm]

if you die 5+ times in bountiful , can you just reset it? will it still be bountifuL?

[queen egret]

howcome we vanish in deathstalker opener to reapply mark ?

[robust axle]

Yes

[pseudo nimbus]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[novel storm]

sweet

[verbal olive]

so like I know that DS is just simming better than FB but like, whats the difference really ? Like say I hate DS, how much of a DPS loss am I looking at roughly (M+)

[willow cloud]

yo just got concoction of death from bountiful -- seems really good? 30 sec all secondary stats ~1.7k...

[novel storm]

and you can die up to 5 times to get max reward?

[iron valve]

sim it, but the 2.5m cooldown kind of kills it

[willow cloud]

ah shit, just saw its not just 2min

will sim

[strange python]

any tips on how to beat waxface in the waterworks delve assassination?

[fallow estuary]

how high can you craft weapons now with spark?

[iron valve]

step in the poison right before his flame burst or run far and feint / cloak it

[strange python]

ok thank you ill try, dudes wrecking me

[keen rover]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" in raid, but has ramp time and is worse in m+
2x Dawnthread (wrist/belt) is generally the best in m+ and not far behind of Ascencion/Banding for raids. Equal in single target at 80% uptime

Craft a dagger if you're unlucky and don't get one and are down bad and crying about your pathetic little 580 main hand dagger. Put Ascencion on it
If you have a big dagger in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[robust axle]

Yea

[strange python]

ehh nope - he throws wax, i have no health, poison soaks up one burst and then i die

[hollow mantle]

whats better if im broke for the whetstones , Deep Toxins Oil or Bubbling wax?

[cinder pebble]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/umADtCjZHaWCwSQvKvPyeq
0.1% dps difference between weapon or 2nd lining O: Whisp predicts a comming nerf. So might getting the lining be better then?

[cinder pebble]

PP kobolds for wax? O: should be fast

[indigo mulch]

Are these guys like uber over tuned or something? They almost 1 shot me at delv7 lol

The very first hit they do hits uber hard for some reason

[short fox]

why i am always low energy on single target?

[cinder pebble]

Need to pool

[arctic socket]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. You want to be playing for the highest uptime on Envenom, and not blindly spamming away all your energy. Rapid Injection, Sanguine Blades, and Vicious Venoms all play into this gameplay.

• No, haste will not make this feel noticeably better.
• 10% haste only contributes to around 2 actions per minute
• You should be playing for envenom uptime in single target

[fallow canopy]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[strange python]

throw wax does 2.12M health, theres got to be a way to dodge or interrupt it, right?

[short fox]

ahh ty

[arctic socket]

I would do the dreadlining

[whole sand]

anyone know what that upgrade command is

for the tracks

[arctic socket]

Would still spark craft a weapon though if you’re rly unlucky

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/232915274670669826/1280651980787941406/war-within-season-1-loot-upgrade-tracks-v0-m6mnyq8xbxjd1.png?ex=66d8db99&is=66d78a19&hm=2ef56357734df11448f039620fa18af4bb47073bbbd038abbca64a0d35b1554f

[whole sand]

tyty

[cinder pebble]

Have 2 606 already. 1 Decent imo.

so lining it is 🙂 ty

[arctic socket]

Lining on wrist / boots / belt goes hard though

Shame it doesn’t scale with lvl

[cinder pebble]

another short question. When to spend the other Teas. On in Opener yes. and then everytime I have KB up. When to use the user?

[spice spire]

Energy when needed

Make sure to continue to keep one with kb

[arctic socket]

You only spend one tea in the opener

[spice spire]

It’s not mega numbers

[cinder pebble]

Ok 🙂 so 1 to use when ever I need it. E.g after a mechanic where I lost uptime and need to reapply shit again

[split flame]

is JPC still raiding with liquid?

[spice spire]

So if you don’t wanna spend plates

[arctic socket]

That new tea change is gonna be scuffed to play around

[spice spire]

Just send

[subtle tundra]

guys i have official deathstalker opinion conclusion

it fucking sucks

[spice spire]

He’s taking the tier off iirc

[spice spire]

Common varas L

[subtle tundra]

yea idk how to tell you

cant get clunkier than that

[arctic socket]

I haven’t raided yet

[subtle tundra]

i mean in dungeons

[arctic socket]

Is it really rough in the raid

[cinder pebble]

I love Deathstalker in M+ tho. Yeah the bug(s) suck but I think ER is so much better than Cold Blood 😄

[arctic socket]

Oh well in dungeons seems fine

What’s clunky about it in dungeons?

[subtle tundra]

its just bothersome

[arctic socket]

You use ambush at the start one time

[subtle tundra]

really bothersome

[thorn fjord]

Everywhere man

[subtle tundra]

to only target 1 guy

[arctic socket]

Then you always reapply mark with envenom

[wanton spear]

what build are u guys having luck in delve 8+ with solo also what brann abilities?

[proven jasper]

dont even notice it on sub

[thorn fjord]

It sucks to play

[subtle tundra]

to only get it again with envenom

[wanton spear]

the end bosses are just nutty

[subtle tundra]

oops i did CT RUPTURE now i have to get 7 cp envenom on that 1 target

[hollow mantle]

best build is to run the delv with 2 friends

[subtle tundra]

specifically that 1

[arctic socket]

I wouldn’t solo it… just bribe one of your guild tanks to run it with you

Tank dps combo is bis

[wanton spear]

i'm doing it during work so haveto take multiple breaks during it

[thorn fjord]

@subtle tundra with you on this all the way

[wanton spear]

solo makes the most sense i get bosses to like 5% then i'm all out of cd's

[solar orbit]

Delves mobs hit so damn hard

[keen rover]

What fights are people switching to caustic?

[arctic socket]

@subtle tundra become a fatebound enjoyer brotha

[subtle tundra]

idk how making shit more annoying is in any shape or form good

[arctic socket]

Wowhead

Has builds for each fight

[thorn fjord]

I feel like this tree was mostly created with sub in mind

[subtle tundra]

well deathstalker is better so i have to atleast try it

[keen rover]

Ah shit. I had no idea. Thank you

[chilly nimbus]

Yo, someone know if bubbling wax work in both main hand & off hand?

[arctic socket]

Just oh

Or is it mh

One hand is bad

[subtle tundra]

people defending deathstalker are massive copers idk
they just want a good hero talent and the delusion takes over and pretend

[arctic socket]

Just use weight stones

[iron valve]

uh, I don't remember, sorry. tricks to brann?

[thorn fjord]

I’d be happy if FB was closer in % at my IL

[solar orbit]

wait, fatebound is better than deathstalker now?

[thorn fjord]

But next week a sub angle so 🤷‍♂️

[arctic socket]

I wanna experience how rough it is during raid and decide form there which hero talent I’m rolling

[arctic socket]

Have you looked at the na logs? Lmao

[thorn fjord]

Sub angle for me

[arctic socket]

Sin is in the gutters

[subtle tundra]

man how much i wish sub was reaaaaaaaalllly good right about now
id play it instantly, no thought behind it

[arctic socket]

Enjoy sub until
Novemenr

[thorn fjord]

It’s not bad rn by any means

[thorn fjord]

Yeah this is what I keep thinking

[subtle tundra]

and thats considering in amirdrassil i didnt want to touch it, even for smolderon

[thorn fjord]

Just gotta get an OH MH

[solar orbit]

why's that?

[thorn fjord]

Prob do that today or atleast try for one

[wanton spear]

we should be aloud to tricks brann

[errant basin]

We got a trinket list somewherE?

[arctic socket]

Wowhead

Has a lot

Go read it

Icyveins has a lot

[spice spire]

I don’t read

Despite it being my name

[arctic socket]

Grim batol / seige farm those trinkets

[subtle tundra]

i actually quite enjoy assa outside of deathstalker

ive been having fun

[spice spire]

I enjoy deathstalker

[arctic socket]

Deathstalker isn’t that bad once you get over the clunky mess

[subtle tundra]

it disrupts the spec too much
draws too much attention aswell

[arctic socket]

How

[thorn fjord]

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

[hallow token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow mantle]

aprox whats the Crit-Matery % i need to aim for? i have currently 20% crit 40% Mastery

[runic hinge]

[subtle tundra]

approximately doesnt fucking matter

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[arctic socket]

What ever robot tells you

[spice spire]

Don’t aim for % we like all stats so it’s constant fluctuation

[hollow mantle]

kkk thanks mates

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

Ideally tho if possible you should aim to get around 247% haste for infinite energy

[brave sinew]

FoK on single target is worth when clear procs ?

[spice spire]

I’d delete this if I could

[spice spire]

If you run VV no

[arctic socket]

With vv no without yes

[arctic socket]

Mean

[spice spire]

You said real wrong

[errant night]

where do you guys get Enchanted Runed Harbinger Crest from?

[arctic socket]

Probably mythic + or a raid

[errant night]

i don't understand, how do some people already have crafted gear

with this enchanted crest

[spice spire]

Heroic raid

[arctic socket]

Probably raiders

[spice spire]

And then enchanted

[errant night]

holy

[arctic socket]

Can’t wait to craft my higher ilvl wep

[strange python]

this was the difference after a shit ton of deaths, thank you - lost my chest tho D:

[arctic socket]

(In the only rogue in my raid group though so hopefully a dagger drops)

[subtle tundra]

!guide

[thorn fjord]

3 dragger drops for us last night

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[thorn fjord]

2 on normal one on heroic

[spice spire]

Need that tn

[arctic socket]

I raid tonight

I Pray I’m lucky

[spice spire]

So I get dagger instead of @ember mural

[runic hinge]

I don’t raid until Sunday

[spice spire]

But that’s kind of the good news is that I know my rogue counterpart so we can actually discuss what’s best for us

[hearty galleon]

got a question - how do you utilize Lingering Darkness?

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

Just keep playing as normal

Nothing changed

[arctic socket]

I the lowest ilvl in my raid group at 596

wtf

[spice spire]

I’m only 585 because I didn’t play that long yesterday

[subtle tundra]

well im lower cause valorstone upgrade costs are BUGGED

wtf

[nocturne crater]

what's the reason for staying under 50% for energy conservation in ST?

sanguine blades?

[arctic socket]

I got such dog shit m+ drops

[subtle tundra]

you did m0s?!?!

[thorn fjord]

Spyglass dropped and the WW got it 😦

[arctic socket]

Yeah m0s

Every single one of them

[spice spire]

I only did boralus

Unfort

[subtle tundra]

yea no way am i doing m0s

[arctic socket]

You should at least do the two trinket ones

[spice spire]

Yeah

[arctic socket]

Daily

And your delves

[subtle tundra]

ofc i do delves

[clever perch]

U guys suggest any spec for delves?

[subtle tundra]

i clocked it

did my delve shift

[runic hinge]

I got a grim batol in

No loot

[arctic socket]

Grim batol is rough man

[spice spire]

I got two pieces in mine at least

We triple wiped third boss

Because tank didn’t know the mechanic

[main hemlock]

Has anyone dropped the map u get from delves?

[spice spire]

[arctic socket]

I got a total of 7 capes and 2 cloaks from my m+

🙂

[spice spire]

Last week

[subtle tundra]

yea one on two characters

[arctic socket]

Also got two delve trinket

😄

[main hemlock]

what ilvl was the item u get from it ?

[subtle tundra]

610

hc track

[arctic socket]

610 is treasure map

603 is t8

[main hemlock]

do you get the tresure map only from bountiful delves or ?

or could it drop from any

[subtle tundra]

any

you can farm it

spam t8s

[prisma monolith]

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[subtle tundra]

i think only 3 can drop per character

not sure though

[arctic socket]

Spamming t8s for that sounds horrible

[clever perch]

?

any suggestion?

outlaw?

[subtle tundra]

well i got 2 maps in 12 delves

[arctic socket]

Play the spec you like and go into it with a tank

[spice spire]

If you’re soloing sure

But

Just get a tank

And it doesn’t matter what you play

Shit hurts when they hit you

[arctic socket]

You’re trolling if you don’t go into the delves with a tank

[spice spire]

But you turbofuck everything

[main hemlock]

how many maps can u get weekly ?

or is it unlimited

[clever perch]

u can solo them lol

[spice spire]

I was trolling

[spice spire]

3 per toon

[arctic socket]

Well obviously you can solo them but why go through that pain

[clever perch]

u're not trolling if u're not going with a tank

[spice spire]

You can solo and it takes forever

[main hemlock]

toon ?

[clever perch]

wdym takes forever

[spice spire]

Character

[main hemlock]

ouhh

[clever perch]

are u guys like 560 ilvl or something

[main hemlock]

so it resets weekly

?

[arctic socket]

Have you done t8s?

[willow cloud]

is there a bountiful delve timer anywhere? I did 4 yesterday, but only saw 3 this morning.

[clever perch]

im doing it with my 588 alters and got no problem at all

going solo

[arctic socket]

[spice spire]

Had 12 spiderlings spawn after killing a double pack they just ate my ass rawdog through cheat

In 3s lol

[arctic socket]

Just go into them with a tank to pull big packs

Brann carries famage

[late surge]

brann is insane

[arctic socket]

His damage feels overtuned

[subtle tundra]

idk what youre doing but i did up to t7 solo and it was omega difficult

[timber oak]

Do assa have some custom apl for sim? 5 min ST?

[opal basin]

no, Waxface's damage seems overtuned

[spice spire]

Just 5m

[arctic socket]

Not with a tank

That one delve yesterday with the spores… those spores FUCK

[spice spire]

Didn’t have issues with spores tbh.

[opal basin]

that's the one i solod

waterworks convinced me to group up

[spice spire]

But I think that was like my t5 and t5 was pisslow

[clever perch]

lol just dont pack everything like crazy and that's it

im doing all solo with no deaths or issues idk

on lvl 8 with all my alts idk

im using this

[subtle kettle]

No deaths no issues but what spec is best for my delves please ??

[clever perch]

yea cuz i didn't do it on rogue yet? xD

[subtle tundra]

maybe i could've done them but id rather do them as fast as possible

[tawny pawn]

Guys can you have only one dawnthread embelishment?

[royal lantern]

no

can use 2

[tawny pawn]

is it bugged?

im recieving only one buff

[royal lantern]

drop bellow 80% hp once

so the buff "resets"

[tawny pawn]

ohhh that make sense

ok

[royal lantern]

just dismount midair

[waxen talon]

Shrouded Suffocation vs Aterial Precision for Raid ST?

[cobalt sphinx]

i think they're easier to kite out if you fan crippling onto them

not sure if you were doing that

[long fossil]

yo what are ppl crafting this week? just the embellish on wrists?

[royal lantern]

the spores dmg enemys aswell btw

[dull cloak]

I almost solo that delve but was clipped and one shot by the spores at the final boss

[rotund field]

is Wildfire Wick good for assa?

i got it 610 ivl

[tawny pawn]

it fixed ty @royal lantern

[royal lantern]

[cobalt sphinx]

fungal was the only t8 i did solo, ran the rest with a prot warrior 🙂

[runic sorrel]

Anyone mind answering a quick question for me? I'm not sure what we're supposed to do on 2 target fights like Silken Council

[proven jasper]

Dot em both up and pick one to go hard into with cd’s

[royal lantern]

bleed both and then ST 1 guy

[proven jasper]

yee

[cobalt sphinx]

what about fan usage

just with ctw? or do it to maintain deadly?

[proven jasper]

On 2t just ctw

[runic sorrel]

So just maintain garrote and rupture on the 2nd target, but dump mutilates and envonems on the first target?

[proven jasper]

Yes

[rain fog]

anyone done the dread pits as assass tier 8 bountiful?

[arctic socket]

I didnr have a problem with them… it was just really funny seeing the tank I was with get one shot

[echo heath]

Caustic spatter will cleave the second target

[unborn vortex]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed frost]

Assa is just spicy on bloodbound horror

[tiny leaf]

anyone has an envenom tracker ?

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shaquille-o-neal-hot-wings-spicy-gif-13944997

[spice spire]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[wanton mortar]

can someone tell me about the rogue only quest to get an enchant?

i read about it but dont remeber where

[tiny leaf]

have luxthos one

but it doest hame ..

[glad relic]

what is youre first crafts ?

[dire ivy]

it starts in the ringing deeps city's tavern

[slate crown]

It's pinned in Sub #subtlety message

[slate crown]

My pack has envenom, as does whispyr's. Whipsyr's is an icon, mine is a progress bar. My progress bar also exists standalone if you don't want the pack, in LE Collection from the command link

[stoic shale]

Yo is there any difference or better choice on daggers between : Algarie mana oil or ironclaw whetstone

[echo condor]

Can I craft an item with my spark + embellishment and then change the embelishment later with reforge ?

[tiny leaf]

ok , thx

[hexed frost]

Got skillchecked by tier 7 waterworks

Died everytime within 1-2M boss HP remaining

[young dust]

in DF there was a powder to remove embellish, i believe to be the case in TWW as well

[crimson yoke]

hello all guys i have a problem sometime my deathstalker mark dosnt apply on target and all the boss fight i dont haave

what can i do for it ?

[orchid cedar]

mm so outlaw is performing quite well in the raid

[crimson yoke]

anyone can help

[spice spire]

Vanish ambush

That’s it

[crimson yoke]

u know why dont apply on pull ?

bug or something ?

[spice spire]

Did you not ambush on pull

[crimson yoke]

i do

[spice spire]

Or get pulled out and end up mutilating instead?

[crimson yoke]

no i start with ambush i dont get it

[short fox]

can you go higher with delves then tier 8

[heady solstice]

Anyone else experiencing Ambush not applying mark in delves most of times ?

[cobalt sphinx]

yeah if you're fucking superman

[spice spire]

Damn and here I am just fucking Batman :/

[cobalt sphinx]

pretty sure the ilvl doesn't increase

not sure about the other rewards

[short fox]

i am

[spice spire]

This only happens when you get pulled out of stealth for me last night

[short fox]

i see people with hero gear but not out a raid

[cobalt sphinx]

that's from maps

[spice spire]

Like the big scarab lord that had true sight