assassination

[marble hemlock]

Especially in lower-ranked guilds

[waxen oyster]

blackhand was a hunter stack fight

[soft shale]

we got knocked down

[marble hemlock]

no one, you left a hole that cant be filled by anybody

[soft shale]

then just stepped

[cobalt sphinx]

ASPECT OF THE FOX

What does the fox say

[somber nimbus]

that too

[soft shale]

then knocked again

I LOVE KITING TANKS

[somber nimbus]

but melee were punished

[marble hemlock]

@royal lantern

[somber nimbus]

you need rogues for survivability

[spice spire]

I do love filling holes

[blazing jewel]

Play meta or else bozo

[marble hemlock]

see

you did that

[fallow canopy]

I also love caulking

[arctic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[soft shale]

not in front of the kids

[marble hemlock]

while i held back my "dropped a big load" and "doing laundry" joke

[waxen oyster]

Ngl low tier CE is just unfun

[grim jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146207476983812117/1282395141608308826/Screenshot_20240908_103929_Spotify.jpg?ex=66dfdbcb&is=66de8a4b&hm=77ef94e41dfbefdd5ec532992522bc1adfacee22130084d35809fbf0657fd38d&

[agile osprey]

I just want us to be out of the running for PI cause feelsbad

[grim jay]

concerning if you see both together

[arctic socket]

Lmao

[haughty flicker]

sus

[waxen oyster]

you get people pretending minmax is required

[wicked vector]

How do I rogue though

[waxen oyster]

while also not playing with players that can perform at that level

[spice spire]

I hate this screenshot so much

[grim jay]

ngl its perfect

[spice spire]

Commas matter for

[grim jay]

it literally cut it just right

[marble hemlock]

A lot of raidleaders could improve so many different things for better success, but they dont have the knowledge/experience/understanding to do so. So they pick the low-hanging fruit to "improve" the raid, and that more often than not means "lets bring the 'op classes'"

[spice spire]

checks notes
Push notifications on a class discord server

[cobalt sphinx]

It’ll often have some players min/maxing wondering why the others won’t

[grim jay]

Love, them young... ?

[marble hemlock]

push notifications for the pet thread

[cobalt sphinx]

A lot of resentment there

[marble hemlock]

is more than acceptable

[somber nimbus]

is feral complex nowadays

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats the one time its allowed

[somber nimbus]

havent played feral in a hot minute

[spice spire]

Love them, young Timothy

[grim jay]

[somber nimbus]

feral has always been bottom of the barrel too

[upper crag]

Think simcraft will update rogue sims at some point

[grim jay]

ngl I think we wouldve pretended there was none in that case

[spice spire]

Feral has had a few good tiers

I also love feral aoe a bit.
Or how it was in df. Haven’t touched in tww

[somber nimbus]

if youre playing druid why would you play feral

[spice spire]

Because I hate boomkins

[shy pecan]

I hate you

[snow kindle]

boomkin is ass rn

(sim wise)

[desert cove]

https://tenor.com/view/utena-bestie-same-same-bestie-gif-13652722508022953825

[spice spire]

Ten more years of ass

Ain’t enough

[haughty flicker]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulCuteKeyboardOSsloth-c1jrBiFcA53dV5sa

[spice spire]

For all the gaslighting

[spice spire]

Damn

[cobalt sphinx]

Because balance and resto are dog

[bleak spoke]

i can't think of a spec that deserves to be ass more than boomie

[spice spire]

Fire mage

[somber nimbus]

boomy will not stay bad for long

trust

[spice spire]

[bleak spoke]

okay but fire is actually fun

[somber nimbus]

it has always been blizzard favo dps along with mage

[cobalt sphinx]

Fire is so much fun

[bleak spoke]

mage privilege comes from the left side of the talent window

[marble hemlock]

thats a hot take

considering boomkin has been dogshit for like

6 tiers now

boomkin was good like

1 and a half tiers

cuz venthyr

[bleak spoke]

in sanctum

yeah

[marble hemlock]

and its been shit everywhere else

its like saying blizzard loves sub cause zul

[somber nimbus]

not even in m+ last xpac?

[cobalt sphinx]

Sludgefist convoke though

[somber nimbus]

i didnt really play dragonflight

[marble hemlock]

boomie was okay in m+

but so was feral in s1

and s2

[cobalt sphinx]

Boomkin was good until aug priest mage took over i heard

[marble hemlock]

and then it was just

[bleak spoke]

boomie's always been kinda okay in key i think, even when it's "bad"

[marble hemlock]

aug/mage/shadowpriest for the rest of the expac

[somber nimbus]

i refuse to play evoker

i cant

[cobalt sphinx]

It was “good” but it had no kick, it could always live one-shots though with bear form

[bleak spoke]

kicks are relevant again

[haughty flicker]

can play evoker if you stock up on illusions

but have to take a break every hour

[cobalt sphinx]

Do illusions show transmog

[bleak spoke]

the patch was actually so good until aug hit

[haughty flicker]

idk actually

[waxen oyster]

kicks are relevent until prot pal meta

[haughty flicker]

i'd assume so

[wispy apex]

Hello! I’m playing Deathstalker and sometimes drop out stealth in dungeons during pulls. This is really frustrating and i’ve been putting points into subterfuge instead of ER. It feels much better but don’t know how viable this is. Do i lose a lot by not picking ER?

[marble hemlock]

Unfortunately, yes. You also don't gain a lot by picking Subterfuge, other than being able to cast Ambush.

The issue will somewhat disappear when the season begins, as mob packs dont die within seconds, so you can actually maintain your Deathstalkers Mark through Envenom, not by having to cast Ambush every pack

[haughty flicker]

just checked, they do keep your transmog

[cobalt sphinx]

Almost playable

[waxen oyster]

gleeful glamour?

yeah they retain your mog

[haughty flicker]

that'll be 65s for reimbursement

[snow kindle]

glamour is just the same as the 24hr toy

[waxen oyster]

but rank 3 is like 4-5k a pop rn

[haughty flicker]

yeah they're expensive af atm

[waxen oyster]

yeah we just rotate recalibrators

in raid

lasts the entire night

[slate crown]

Oh are they?

[haughty flicker]

need to get your raid to buy more murloc toys

[snow kindle]

you can just get a lvl 70 enchanter and make the glees for cheap

[slate crown]

My enchanter used that tree for acuity farm

and went all into reagents

[waxen oyster]

i dont think any enchanter is putting their points into the cosmetics spec

[slate crown]

so I can probably max guarantee them...

[waxen oyster]

at this point

will likely cheapen out

[haughty flicker]

idk if they're actually selling

[slate crown]

Probably every enchanter is

The tree pays for itself with knowledge

and then some

and gives you a spare 100 acuity to boot

[cobalt sphinx]

You go 20 points into that tree because of knowledge and levels yeah

[haughty flicker]

yeah i made the mistake of not doing that immediately on mine

[slate crown]

Like it 100% covers its costs in knowledge points, it's wild

[waxen oyster]

it helps with other enchants?

[haughty flicker]

so catching up now

[eager tree]

better hope templar doesn't get overtuned in that case, casting shield is discouraged with how wack that hero talent tree is for prot

[slate crown]

Not on its own but it is free

and then gives you 100 acuity

which does help other enchants

[waxen oyster]

dont you have to invest the points

[cobalt sphinx]

Free (10k gold of storm dust)

[haughty flicker]

storm dust

[waxen oyster]

storm dust costing more than the shards

is funny

[cobalt sphinx]

Storm dust mafia

[haughty flicker]

have dedicated disenchanter

buy greens

profit

[slate crown]

The points in the tree give you free points back because they give you new recipes, which give you first craft bonuses, which give you more points

[snow kindle]

greens are just so hard to actually farm

[waxen oyster]

do you go into greens specialization

[slate crown]

which give you more recipes which give you more points

[haughty flicker]

yeah 100%

it used to be omega profits

[slate crown]

The tree gives you more recipes than there are points

[zinc oriole]

guys quick question what is Assa stat prio for ST?

[slate crown]

that's why I say it's free

[haughty flicker]

greens were like 200g and t3 dust was 700+

[slate crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[haughty flicker]

now its way less, but still cheaper than just buying dust outright

depending on server boe costs anyway

[waxen oyster]

i dont even know how to optimize alch on main

went longer flasks first then kinda not sure from there

[slate crown]

I think it's really hard to optimize alchemy because it takes so many god damn points to get anything strong

[haughty flicker]

just dont do what i did and accidentally put 10 points into phials

thinking it was flasks

[slate crown]

But I think ultimately the most important thing (and this is typically true of most crafting) is pick a path, and stick to it all the way down to the end

to get max crafting for that spec

[waxen oyster]

i got the free soulbound flask on craft thing daily

[slate crown]

I intentionally did phials because I'm trying to cover every type of profession thing personally

But it's still so god damn long before I'm going to be able to make profits on any of that because the skill requirements on recipes are so high

[haughty flicker]

yeah its insane

[slate crown]

honestly I don't know why alchemy is so tightly gated

it's ridiculous

compared to other profs

[cobalt sphinx]

Almost everything will have very slim margins even when maxed out

The nature of the free market

[slate crown]

well yeah

[haughty lantern]

lets go capitalism

[haughty flicker]

well the idea is to be one of the first

[slate crown]

That's how it all equalizes out

[cobalt sphinx]

Resourcefulnessmaxxing can make you rich though

[haughty flicker]

and abuse the market before it drops

[slate crown]

Multicraft for alchemy*

[cobalt sphinx]

That too

[slate crown]

historically multicraft is just strongest when it benefits you

when it doesnt, resourcefulness

the only time resourcefulness is stronger is when multicraft flatly doesn't apply

[haughty lantern]

i read the wowhead post about the guy that made like 12mil using engineering selling 5 star green profession gear

[slate crown]

things like that are just start of expac craziness

and happens every start of the expansion

[haughty lantern]

also for tomorrow, m0 difficulty opens, is that for expansion dungeons or s1 dungeons?

[cobalt sphinx]

Profession gear can still be extremely profitable

[haughty flicker]

yeah last expac i made a few million on engineering making the zapthrottle soul things

just because nobody on my server was making them

[haughty lantern]

ye, i have a feeling wowhead cherry picked the like..... "best seller" version of people who made crazy bank like this

[haughty flicker]

so i overpriced the fuck out of it

[haughty lantern]

not to mention the fact that the market is now "universal" since a LOT of shit is now transferable through the warband

[haughty flicker]

yeah i definitely didnt abuse warbands to find cheap greens

[haughty lantern]

I used the warband to move gold over from my other servers which BASICALLY nullified the cost of buying 4 of the 5 tabs.

this is my to do list for tomorrow. Anything else I should add? My guild raids tuesdays and wednesday so I want to go hard in the paint before we start raid that night.

[haughty flicker]

damn

my to do list is to log on at some point in the afternoon

and maybe do some stuff

[spice spire]

Dagger in mists and NW right?

[cobalt sphinx]

Reddit says do a radiant echo before opening any bountiful key

[haughty flicker]

you need to open one key

to do an echo

then do the echo before doing the rest

[cobalt sphinx]

Bountiful keys will only drop radiant echoes after you have completed an echo

[haughty lantern]

@spice spire i don't know if it's s1 dungeons or expansion dungeons

[cobalt sphinx]

After the first?

[spice spire]

It’s s1 dungeons 99% sure

[haughty lantern]

in that case*

[spice spire]

I have ports to the sl so it’s not a huge deal

[haughty lantern]

Grim Batol STONKS

[fallow turtle]

In aoe should I be using fan of knives or mutilate as a combo builder?

[haughty flicker]

first bountiful gives quest, do that then do the rest

[haughty lantern]

but also we just take ilvl over stats right?

so really we should just run everything

[slate crown]

!guide would be good to review these for basic questions such as this. Use Fan in aoe

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[eager tree]

only mut in aoe for caustic spatter but again guides will go through all that

[lusty hedge]

Hey guys, where to use tea charges ? One is in kb window with shiv but rest of them ? deathmark ?

[slate crown]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slate crown]

wtf

[haughty lantern]

afaik this question doesn't matter b/c tea is becoming passive isn't it?

[haughty flicker]

huh

[slate crown]

Moroes what are you doing

[haughty flicker]

that doesnt look right lmao

[fallow canopy]

moroes is drunk on the thistle

[slate crown]

I can try to fix it in a sec

[haughty lantern]

Moroes is now Demoman

[lusty hedge]

İs it not when below 50 ?

[haughty flicker]

tea will proc below 50 energy, but you can still press the button normally

[haughty lantern]

true, you could be more active about it

[haughty flicker]

thats also like

[spice spire]

Tea procs stealth on moroes

[haughty flicker]

2 months away anyway

[spice spire]

I think Tea was removed

[haughty lantern]

I AM STILL AN ASSASSIN NEWBIE, i am only still trying to wrap my head around the intricacies of "doing it from behind"

[eager tree]

hoping they put the mastery portion somewhere in the kit other than tea then

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

is that not the rogue themesong? "Rogues do it from behind"

[haughty flicker]

ye it is

[haughty lantern]

channel my inner spy. Would anyone like to share this bottle of 1942 chateaux backstab w/ me?

[slate crown]

The answer for the moment (before the next anniversary patch) is "use tea with Shiv if it will not cap energy"

[haughty flicker]

oh yeah we got caught up on the bot not working and never actually answered

lmao

[slate crown]

It's ok just don't ask Moroes again for now. He gets really excited about restealths and wants to talk about them that's all he hears when you ask about tea

[haughty lantern]

spill the tea

about restealth??

NO I MEAN THE ACTUAL TEA

TIME TO RESTEALTH

[fallow canopy]

Moroes is a m+ minmaxer andy 😦

[severe sparrow]

I think we haven't done it from behind like the old days in a minute though

[haughty lantern]

this actually reminds me of some really like.... "anime" shit you can do with shadestep

[spice spire]

Always hit from behind

Parried in this economy?

Miss me with that

[haughty lantern]

don't make me get royal in here to talk about

yeah getting parried or blocked

[balmy dome]

what's the value of bubbling wax vs whetstone is it close enough to justify not spending 50k on wep runes this week? lol

[haughty lantern]

free vs 50k is enough justification for my wallet

unless you're in liquid and immediately pushing mythic raid

[spice spire]

They’re doing a lot of testing in tc research rn

Atm it’s looking like it only procs main hand

So it would be mh wax, off hand whetstone

[dusty zenith]

Anyone signing up for team liquid splits ?

[cobalt sphinx]

Does it still work in mage tower

[haughty lantern]

waxon, waxoff

[dusty zenith]

250k gold

[haughty flicker]

wax+old df runes i have in my bank still

is what im going into the week with

[severe sparrow]

Macro "no offense kid" into your ss

[cobalt sphinx]

I tried it in mage tower and i got one proc in 4 attempts

Failed waxmaxx

[severe sparrow]

Push up your glasses transmog

[haughty flicker]

in mage tower it seems like you need to reapply it every time it procs

[haughty lantern]

what is the relevance of mage tower in testing wax?

[haughty flicker]

but it also does a fuck ton of damage bc it isnt scaled

[terse orchid]

At current prices I'd go with nothing over whetstone lol, but I'm poor

[somber nimbus]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[severe sparrow]

I need mage tower as a new sim type

[balmy dome]

ty guys

[haughty flicker]

i need mage tower to be relevant again

imagine making this super cool relatively challenging content that is universally loved

[spice spire]

The amount of white listed/black listed items

Ain’t no way

[haughty flicker]

then only using it one more time to add some recolors

[haughty lantern]

mfw i want to play both sin and outlaw. One loves mast, the other hates mast.

[kindred breach]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[tawdry flint]

so are we now looking to craft boots over belt?

[royal lantern]

my tummy hurts :c

does that count

[severe sparrow]

Gw2 had a mage tower kinda deal but there was a bunch of encounters and it was a recurring yearly week long festival in game, was fun

We need that

Well that's just brawlers ig

We need that back

[haughty flicker]

man

i miss brawlpub

every expac i hope it comes back

and it never does

was so fun just hanging out, cheering on randoms who keep dying to the same boss 20 times

[royal lantern]

iirc they said it will come back in tww

[severe sparrow]

Didn't they very passively say something vague that acknowledged it's existence semi recently ml

Yeah

[haughty flicker]

yeah i remember seeing it mentioned

[haughty lantern]

imo belt over boots

• belt gets a socket, so if you invest early into the xpac it gains a lot of value

• world boss drops boots and you can buy a champ track boots from council of dorn at rank 16

[haughty flicker]

im keeping my hopes low until its actually here though

[solar orbit]

wait, it said under 50%, does it mean energy?

[severe sparrow]

Yeah

[solar orbit]

Why would we want to stay under 50% energy? Isn't that a dps loss because of sanguine blades?

[haughty lantern]

ok so i'm trying to understand pooling (which in regards to our energy, right?)

So for Deathstalker, the goal is to stay under 50% energy as much as possible no?

[spice spire]

Yes and no

[severe sparrow]

I'm trying to balance a bagel and cold brew while typing but there's a talent

[spice spire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[spice spire]

The long short is yes

[spice spire]

More casts = good

But

You also want to chain your envenom

So if you’re going to lose that

Start pooling

That’s it

[haughty lantern]

i read the bot and followed the link and am now reading about our rotation

[haughty lantern]

explain more plz

[spice spire]

So envenom is like our bleeds

[solar orbit]

Rapid injection increases your dmg

[spice spire]

It has a time frame where it’s active

And yeah

8s

Pop at pandemic

[haughty lantern]

I am getting really good at hitting the right buttons in order and doing beeg numbers (almost hit 2mil yesterday, hit a whopping 1.9mil crit) but still learning the intricacies

[solar orbit]

So you want to use envenom within the envenom buffs window

[spice spire]

To keep it going

If you’re going to let the envenom buff drop because you can’t go on

You start pulling

[solar orbit]

What I don't get is how staying below 50% energy is better?

[spice spire]

Sb damage isn’t a ton

[haughty lantern]

pulling....what?

[spice spire]

Pooling

[haughty lantern]

oh

[spice spire]

Sorry

[haughty lantern]

so if you let envenom buff drop, you sort of like reset?

[spice spire]

Yes

To about 70% energy

And go agane

Obviously

[haughty lantern]

ahhhhh the picture is becoming clearer now

[spice spire]

You maintain bleeds as well

You don’t let those drop off

Ever

[haughty lantern]

yes b/c those are your energy suppliers

[spice spire]

Maybe minuscule for imp garrote timing

Yes

[haughty lantern]

THAT much i understand

[royal lantern]

sanguine blades = you get less energy

deathstalker = you wanna spend energy for envenoms cus envenom does more dmg there

aka you wanna actually spend energy to stay under 50% energy (cus that means you use abilitys) and get the full energy gain

our bleeds dont do that much dmg, and sanguine blades is active during deathmark anyway (and deathmark is the only moment where our bleeds actually do noticable dmg on single target)

does it make sense for you?

[haughty lantern]

so sin rogue has 2 gears

• burst phase full send when you have CDs up
• downtime maintenance phase with envenoms and mutliates while you wait for CDs to come back

[royal lantern]

its really just "use energy, sanguine blades will be active when it has value"

[fleet pagoda]

you're a good rogue dad

[royal lantern]

im resisting the urge SO HARD right now

[frosty portal]

how do i make healthbar in plater glow or change colors when marked by deathstalker. I like how Whispyr does his but i want to apply that to Naowhs plater profile

[spice spire]

[fleet pagoda]

so hard?!

[solar orbit]

Thanks

[mellow copper]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[haughty lantern]

so bleeds aren't important b/c of their damage, they're important b/c they give us energy regen

[royal lantern]

yes

[haughty flicker]

[spice spire]

I mean passive damage still good and rupture applies sbs (goat btw) but mainly yeah

[old oyster]

is there a consensus on what embellishment to craft coming up? Wowhead still says crit but see a lot of talk of ascendance / elemental

[royal lantern]

you generate your 5+ cp and wait until envenom is at ~1sec remaining before you use it, and then repeat that

[haughty lantern]

yes yes ofc

[royal lantern]

and ofc re-apply bleeds when needed

thats your gameplay bettwen kingsbane/kingsbane+DM windows

[haughty lantern]

hmm...i wonder why the heck hekili keeps telling me to deathmark --> kingsbane --> shiv rather than deathmark --> shiv --> kingsbane

[royal lantern]

during them you just slam on CD

[haughty lantern]

hekili is at least useful at helping me keep my bleeds n shit up.

[spice spire]

Oh that’s hekili

Bad program

[royal lantern]

cus hekili is dogshit and you should delete it rn

just use a weakaura package for tracking stuff

[haughty lantern]

SUE ME yes i still use training wheels

[spice spire]

It’s missing a lot of things for us

[terse orchid]

Because hekili doesn't get the intricacies of the spec and just thinks "longer cd means slam first"

[spice spire]

Nah I don’t mind it

But I wouldn’t use it as gospel

[faint path]

dude this talent is insane

[spice spire]

Just as a guide

[severe sparrow]

if you click thru his plater profiles uhhh mods or scripts i forgot which, you'll find one with a name that sounds reasonable and when you click into it it'll say deathmark. you can export that and then import it into whatever profile you prefer to use

[royal lantern]

my best friend is a laywer, im gonna get your ass

[novel storm]

Which week are we going to be able to catalyst items into set pieces?

[severe sparrow]

that was a really bad description but im at work

i did it for mine tho

[royal lantern]

week1 and then every 2 weeks

[marble hemlock]

We get one on heroic week

[haughty lantern]

I don't.

GRANTED even following hekili as gospel in heroics n shit, I am still slam dunking 95% of other dps specs.

But I know I still have a lot to learn, hence why i am here

[spice spire]

Which

That’s fair enough

[south nest]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC here is a WA to make the target with DM glow

[spice spire]

It does a lot of ynnecesssry overcapping

[spice spire]

That’s actually semi useful

Ty

[indigo mulch]

[haughty lantern]

i will upgrade from Hekili to WA's when I want to take the training wheels off

Not to like...flex or anything but I played fire mage in s3 of DF. If I can understand THAT shit without Hekili, i know I will be able to understand assassin with enough studying.

[indigo mulch]

My simple brain needs things to glow. Glow = okie i attak

[haughty flicker]

do you still jump during cds

[terse orchid]

Buddy you don't need to be defensive about it lol

[haughty lantern]

so i am very much trying to balance the philosophies of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and "there's always room for improvement"

[terse orchid]

People were just explaining why hekili was giving you wrong info

[eager tree]

it uses simc APIs plus whatever bug updates it needs to make. i dont think hekili is saying anything different than sims, its just trying to turn the API dynamic instead of static like it is in sims.

[haughty lantern]

which i appreciate ❤️

This discord is so friendly and helpful. Other class discords can be a lot more.....hostile?

[tawny geyser]

Ty, will use it ❤️

[indigo mulch]

Wait... we're useful?

90% of the time its just shitposts and feet pic discussions in here.

D:

[spice spire]

True

10% useful

[haughty flicker]

friendly

[spice spire]

Call that useful

We had someone tell someone to have arsenic for lunch earlier

V friendly

[south nest]

have wwe settled on a weapon enchant yet (if we're doing M+ and raid)

[terse orchid]

Yeah the stone cold stunner

[haughty lantern]

i would GUESS one auth of depths and one radiant?

[haughty flicker]

some people find feet pics very useful

[terse orchid]

Yeah, sub players

[topaz pebble]

Is assa gunna be top spec for raid or to be determined?

[little tulip]

show hogs

[terse orchid]

TBD. No one knows anything

[haughty lantern]

bring the player, not the spec

[haughty flicker]

tbd

[regal river]

some1 having an issue with ambush working all the time?

[terse orchid]

But we should defo sandbag the first week

[regal river]

a friend can spam ambush as much as he want without stealth

[haughty flicker]

almost definitely going to be tuning at the end of heroic week too

[marble hemlock]

shouldve at least made it like limbus company where the feet reveal has actual lore significance

[pure moth]

Each spec has its niche

[haughty lantern]

ours is typically between the 3rd and 4th vertabrae

[pure moth]

Sure

[terse orchid]

You sure he's not a moron who doesn't realize mutilate and ambush are the same button depending on stealth condition?

[haughty flicker]

[little tulip]

that's blizzards fault

[haughty lantern]

[little tulip]

they should ui profiles per class

[regal river]

no, its pure ambush dmg on details and 2 different binds. even without blindside its the same

[spice spire]

[haughty lantern]

is he running subterfuge.....

[distant plover]

so confused, why we talking staying under 50% energy when the recommended ST build doesnt take SB

[spice spire]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[regal river]

hes hitting mobs and dummies for 1min, all ambush

[little tulip]

last best opportunity was mop remix

[haughty lantern]

[spice spire]

Even taking sanguine blades out

It’s just east

[little tulip]

trial it for legion remix or whatever

the game will get better :y

[spice spire]

Best to keep envenom chains

[haughty lantern]

i thought you said weest

[haughty flicker]

ok patrick

[little tulip]

maybe thats why wailing caverns is getting timewalking @_@

[haughty lantern]

gonna get me a deviate hatchling

[faint path]

Aren't we gonna craft anything this week ? :/

[haughty lantern]

who is we? you speaking french?

[haughty flicker]

its too bad brd timewalking isnt going to be an 18 boss grindfest

[faint path]

Rogues?

[haughty lantern]

boss rush lets goooo

[spiral gale]

Depends on rng no?

[spice spire]

Craft sure

Spark is a big ???

[haughty lantern]

i mean

i made bracers with DTL and am gonna make belt with DTL tomorrow

[uneven marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[haughty lantern]

is this a bad idea? ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT

[frosty portal]

ty this is perfect

[lime crypt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[tall cradle]

do we play with Oils on weapons?

[scenic nacelle]

Wax MH / Whetstone OH is the current best

[topaz pebble]

Are you guys leaning towards fate bound for the raid or death stalker?

[haughty lantern]

death stalker b/c if i go with fatebound now i know my brain will break

[topaz pebble]

@scenic nacelle Wax is the name of the enchant?

[faint path]

DS

[solar orbit]

bubbling wax, you need to do a small set of quests before you can pickpocket them from kobolds

[severe sparrow]

#subtlety message

[somber nimbus]

i thought i would fall behind if i didnt level my other toons before this reset but apparently you can get caught up in sparks if you missed them last week

[severe sparrow]

see for wax info

[topaz pebble]

ty

[somber nimbus]

i got 4 toons to max level and trying to learn every spec for each has become almost a success

[lofty verge]

are there no other guides made by any streamer/content creators ?

[kindred breach]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lofty verge]

Ty so much, was i supposed to see these on the channels at the left ? cuz i didnt find them there

[fathom cove]

what are you guys simming in ST raid build? My result is sorta disappointing, thought it'd be higher.

[severe sparrow]

i think those are just numbers, not a guide

[cerulean nest]

like 810k

[lofty verge]

HAHA yea, theyre sims

[slate crown]

!guide These 3 are created by creators

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fathom cove]

whats your gear? do you have a lot of crafted gear?

[cerulean nest]

yeah mostly crafted, 588 ish

[lavish ruin]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[gritty laurel]

FB because i've been playing it the whole time, but DS is slightly better for single target if you can execute it

[severe sparrow]

this is just whispyr's guide twice and then seli in the middle

lol

[fathom cove]

is it worth crafting almost every slot? do you have enough crests for crafts + upgrades?

[slate crown]

[spice spire]

Seli is in between two whispyrs

Uwu

[cerulean nest]

to me it's worth it yes

[lofty verge]

oh thanks, the method one is new

[cerulean nest]

I raid tuesday so wont have time to run m0 or delves before jumping in

[severe sparrow]

the method one is the same as the wowhead one

just reskinned to fit on method's page

[lofty verge]

eh

[fathom cove]

@cerulean nest how many crests do you have left?

[cerulean nest]

0

[rotund oak]

U boys farming them t8 delves to fish hero track gear for the catalyst or nah

[slate crown]

What in specific are you looking for that isn't present in the wowhead guide?

[lofty verge]

nothing in specific tbh, just wanted to see some different ones

how should i explain, uhhmm

[crisp stream]

fam quick question, once in fight, due to some mechanic we die and the mark is gone, even if we get ressed and vanish on cd, there is no way to apply the mark again until vanish is up right?

[lofty verge]

for example , for mages, theres a website made by one content creator, which is kinda cool https://www.mage-hub.com

[marble hemlock]

huh?

[tired gull]

yep

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor why is this guy writing fanfic about us?

[severe sparrow]

different teachers can make the same content easier to understand depending on how the guide writer and the reader click i suppose

[lofty verge]

technically i do know at the end the rotation and everything is gonna be the same, but was just skimming around, if thats the word

[vapid terrace]

Seems correct and very frustrating

[severe sparrow]

i think most classes are moving away from class webites, is what ive noticed

[lofty verge]

yes, that as well

[crisp stream]

ye its big bummer if vanish is on long cd xD

[severe sparrow]

monk used to have a bunch of stuff but

it's all been condensed and neglected and now it's just wowhead/IV and the discord

[vapid terrace]

Or sometimes you have the 30s buff up, ambush from stealth a new mob, get full combo points and poof it's gone

[slate crown]

I understand, and that is fine and makes sense. What is in this discord and on those guides is what we have to offer.

[lofty verge]

yea, the assa side bar for FAQ also seemed a bit dry

[severe sparrow]

oh yeah, was just sayin

idk

[slate crown]

Youtube may have other guides, Whispyr posts stuff to youtube as well if video format is better for you

[severe sparrow]

i forgot we had the side bar stuff here tbh

[spice spire]

Buddy if I wanted fanfic I’d just slam him myself

[lofty verge]

will check, thanks for the info

[crisp stream]

i know its a personal choice but still curious, gonna play FB or DS for prog?

i mean hc raid

[severe sparrow]

lmao assa sidebar just links out these days

love it

[slate crown]

Well yeah, I think it's a fair thing to do though when the information would be essentially the same, written by the same person, which, if you've ever maintained media in multiple places, is an absolute pain in the ass to maintain

So I do not blame Whispyr for doing that

I would not want to maintain both

I'd lose my mind

[vapid terrace]

I haven't touched FB tbh. DS should be more dmg with more things to monitor but I do like it

[severe sparrow]

his vids are more flavorful

[waxen oyster]

Vids dont last as long

you can edit a text guide

much easier

[fathom cove]

but text guides dont make as much money

[old oyster]

does everyone need to have level 8 delve unlocked or can they join yours tomorrow?

[severe sparrow]

yeah well why havent you liked and subscribed and watched the video the day he posted it?

then it's relevant

but actually yeah

[waxen oyster]

neither does wow youtube

[severe sparrow]

i could never be a guide writer, would have to quit my day job

[tired gull]

have to unlock

[fathom cove]

how do you unlock them?

[tired gull]

do a 4, then a 5, then a 6, then a 7, then 8

[spice spire]

Doing the ones before

Yeah

[lofty verge]

true, at the same time its not even needed, they are sufficient as you also stated

[fathom cove]

aight

[rotund oak]

U need to complete a t7 before entering any t8

[tired gull]

assuming you've done 1-3 already

[rotund oak]

it doesnt need to be a specific delve,any t7 unlocks all t8 delves

[slate bolt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[rotund oak]

same applies for lower and higher tiers

[waxen oyster]

bran level check

[tired gull]

yep, so find the fastest non bountiful delve and farm it through 7

then do your 8s

[cobalt sphinx]

13

[rotund oak]

15

[waxen oyster]

15

[tired gull]

15

[vapid terrace]

12

[rotund oak]

its rollbacked to 15 anyway

even if u were 25

[crisp walrus]

Hey! Couldn't find any info on what the rotation is inbetween CD's on ST. Since we're not running sanguine blades, is it just envenom chaining until running out and then pooling back to 300? While keeping rupture + garrote up

[spice surge]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[cobalt sphinx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crisp walrus]

Ty 🙂

[proper tapir]

We aren't running sang blades?

Sounds cursed

[waxen oyster]

its entirely passive

changes nothing on st

[rose sun]

QQ where can i check out the Rouge upcoming changes in game?

[rotund oak]

whatever u do,dont use ur web browser

[fleet pagoda]

think ptr was available as well

[cobalt sphinx]

sims show energy totals over the course of the fight, seems like you stay below 200 the whole figh

[fleet pagoda]

nvm, i don't see the 11.0.5 on there

[crisp walrus]

So staying under 50% to chain as many envenoms as possible while pooling for and using thistle teas for CD's then

Doesn't look like you pool for kingsbane according to sims though, just deathmark

[proper tapir]

You don't need to pool for DM. DM is free energy

[south nest]

If anyone still needs to do Mage Tower the bubbling wax weapon enchant is not scaled down and does like 40% of your dmg

[fleet pagoda]

deathmark is just producing extra energy. since you get your energy from bleeds, and deathmark is duplicating bleeds

[crisp walrus]

fair enough, didnt play around that at all last xpac lul

[rose sun]

Apparently it's PTR 11.0

[clever perch]

which metagems are we using

someone can send a sim?

[rain oyster]

Hide the secret technique!

[tired gull]

what's the benefit of mage tower

[runic hinge]

good mog

[dark token]

how do i prevent my WA from loading during puzzle frames

[fleet pagoda]

fun

[rain oyster]

Can you trade bubbling wax to alts? Did all 3 rogue challenges in legion. Need the tank n healer one for the book mount

[tired gull]

soulbound

[rain oyster]

Fuuuugggg

Rip

Next time^tm

[south nest]

mine suddenly stopped procing lol maybe they already fixed it

[terse orchid]

Feels bad, given the future change to make tea auto proc at 50 energy

[proper tapir]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1YSzvZbcPp9A4QVxnrF2xC

[haughty flicker]

idk if theres a way to do exactly what you want but i always just disable ui for those

[slate crown]

Don't know about load conditions. You can try vehicle UI load conditions, I don't know if those count, but I always un-load while in a vehicle in my auras

Also you could look at changing the frame strata

[dark token]

yeah mine unload in vehicle

but the puzzles are diff

[slate crown]

Rip

[dark token]

guess i hit hide ui button

[slate crown]

frame strata = frame layer, you could set your frame strata to lower than that of the puzzle

but the puzzle also may not be in the standard framestack and may be an object in the world? I don't know

[bronze pike]

rogue needs complete rework from zero. cp system must go. tons of multiplier must go.

they must optimize new specs as

sin-dot snapshot
sub-real burst instead of ccbot(without multipliers pure damage)
outlaw- brawler

cp system is useless right now especially for sub rogue. chi holy power is better for me.

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-side-eye-gorilla-side-eye-bell-pepper-gorilla-eating-side-eye-gif-9785946903997916886

[cobalt sphinx]

What if instead of combo points you had freak points and your finisher was finishing

[haughty flicker]

goon spec when

[ashen creek]

Anyone crafting spark pieces yet or just waiting? thinking bracers could be worth with the ability to recraft between armor banding, focusing lense or thread?

[normal mist]

In theory bracers/belt/boots are good choices

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-meme-mods-gif-18091864705525459424

[terse orchid]

Would make them terrible for cutting edge

[bronze pike]

mod abuse

[shy dust]

Cp is great

Holy power bad

Ret paladin 2 button class

[terse orchid]

Fbi, this man right here

[bright turret]

builder/spender aint going anywhere

[bronze pike]

real and true

but god damn

i was about to say that stricken

[spice spire]

Dog I’m a red name

[shy dust]

Don’t think it’s a controversial take

To enjoy combo points

On the class that has had it since launch

[bronze pike]

you have secret mod powers

[spice spire]

I do not

[bronze pike]

i know u do

[terse orchid]

Fairly sure it's illegal to enjoy cp

[bronze pike]

hopo >cp>chi>runes

sorry i dont make the rules

[terse orchid]

Runes are the absolute worst

[shy dust]

Could always be worse

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Redirect

[spice spire]

He’s using the initials of cp for something more sinister bud

[dark token]

rogue needs complete rework from zero. cp system must go. tons of multiplier must go.

they must optimize new specs as

sin-dot snapshot
sub-real burst instead of ccbot(without multipliers pure damage)
outlaw- brawler

cp system is useless right now especially for sub rogue. chi holy power is better for me.

[spice spire]

That’s the joke

[proper tapir]

I crafted bracers with nerubian, if it gets nerfed I'll just go dawn.

[shy dust]

Ima moron

[terse orchid]

Mate im just making a joke about CP having a different well-defined meaning

[past forum]

You have the secret power to lift our spirits

[spice spire]

[shy dust]

Carry on

[clever perch]

vers gems?

[past forum]

That’s the secret power. It’s George.

[shy dust]

Chi is whatever

You’re swimming it

[south nest]

yea mage tower is still borked

[bronze pike]

[shy dust]

So it doesn’t even seem real

[spice spire]

Amen

[dark token]

ye i really dont like ww resources right now

ur capped chi capped energy during cds

[bronze pike]

i can pull any wow forums rogue post

[dark token]

and im kinda stunlocked what to press

[bronze pike]

and its instant copy pasta material

[shy dust]

TIGER PALM

[spice spire]

When resources are no longer resources

[dark token]

ye

[spice spire]

It feels kinda shit

[bronze pike]

actually true

i hate that hopo is not a resource

cause builders and spenders are simliar in damage

chi as well

[shy dust]

It’s fun to see WW absolutely cranking st tho

[bronze pike]

i just want resources to matter

[proper tapir]

Yeah, looks like you just gotta sim it... could end up with vers gems being good

[dark token]

overall i like the rota but yeah it needs less energy/chi

cant believe im saying this but the kyrian covenant ability chi reduction is kinda too much

[shy dust]

I don’t think it’s that

Back when it was a 30 second buff or whatever

[bronze pike]

im sure its multiple issues for monk

[shy dust]

It wasn’t that bad

[dark token]

also i think they didnt design ww about stacking haste

[bronze pike]

like how its multiple issues for paladin

[past forum]

I used to HATE running out of resources, but then once I got the hang of assa pooling I was like HOLY this is a vibe

[dark token]

now it does

so ur infinite energy

[shy dust]

I love my Weapons of Order so I will take 0 slanders towards it

[nova wolf]

rogue needs complete rework from zero. cp system must go. tons of multiplier must go.

they must optimize new specs as

sin-dot snapshot
sub-real burst instead of ccbot(without multipliers pure damage)
outlaw- brawler

cp system is useless right now especially for sub rogue. chi holy power is better for me.

[dark token]

yeah its fun

[shy dust]

For some reason they gave ww necro for DF but not woo

[dark token]

i liked both necro and woo

they should delete night fae tho

its so cancer

[shy dust]

I hated necro passionately.

[proud mason]

Anyone using LE rogue WA pack ? i want to disable the dark night timer above the 7th combo point

[frail kettle]

Are we using Bubbling wax over Ironclaw whetstones?

[proud mason]

it's 7th combo point glowing in purple is nice in itself but the timer right above it is a bit redundant

[median igloo]

wax mh whet oh

[hallow token]

I would just like to say that I remembered all on my own to check the pins first. /backpat

[somber nimbus]

prot warrior dmg seems broken

[robust axle]

Which kobolds do we pickpocket for Wax?

[spice spire]

That’s a long pull

[somber nimbus]

thats overall dungeon dmg

[spice spire]

O

[shy dust]

Is your shadow priest alive

Much more damage for your tank to do

When your shadow priest is cosplaying as a 2nd healer

[spice spire]

Was the WW getting PI’d is the real question

Because like

[somber nimbus]

im 567 the monk was 584

[spice spire]

[somber nimbus]

but that war dmg is crazy

[pliant remnant]

rogue needs complete rework from zero. cp system must go. tons of multiplier must go.

they must optimize new specs as

sin-dot snapshot
sub-real burst instead of ccbot(without multipliers pure damage)
outlaw- brawler

cp system is useless right now especially for sub rogue. chi holy power is better for me.

[slate crown]

If you want to remove it, you can remove that by going into the Combo Points aura under Resources and deleting Text 1.

I'll be honest with you you're the second person to ask about this, and I'm not entirely sure why I have it in both places. I'm considering just removing it in the default, but for now you can delete Text 1.

[past forum]

wild that WW is more likely to get PI than us

[haughty flicker]

ww rework really made them love haste yeah

[somber nimbus]

ww is good, but sin feels super good

im playing both

monk is super fun

[past forum]

i played a little in prepatch, seems sick

[haughty flicker]

honestly

[proud mason]

Thank you 🙏 amazing pack btw just discovered it an hour ago

[somber nimbus]

playing around flurry strikes is good

[haughty flicker]

the monk set for the anniversary event has made me seriously consider swapping

[slate crown]

Glad you like it 🙂

[indigo mulch]

Being a PI target isen't something you want to stride towards 😭

[somber nimbus]

game a bit to hold on to your energy and blow up on the next big pull all your charges

[haughty flicker]

depends

being pi target is good if you are undisputably the best pi target

if you're like

3rd best

thats ass

[flat lion]

Yo, when should I replace Ashes/Grieftorch trinkets from DF?

[indigo mulch]

I hated s3. You almost never got the PI when you actually needed it.

And if you didn't get it you did blue logs

[past forum]

no i know. i didn't say " no PI makes me angy", i just thought it was a wild set of circumstances

[indigo mulch]

[spice spire]

Whenever. You replace at 80 with better trinkets so it’s not worth thinking super duper hard on

[past forum]

i prefer to not get PI cause then you can do the "wait, did you PI me by mistake?" accidental humble flex when you top anyway

[haughty flicker]

not getting pi and beating whoever does get pi is always a good feeling

[past forum]

macro /cancelaura Power Infusion into every ability

[slate crown]

[proud mason]

If i may ask, would it be possible to disable the thistle tea cd bar ? that's useful information but being new to assa i'm trying to reduce information overload, if i understood correctly the thistle charges are a progress bar and the "dots" are text, setting bar alpha to 0 hides the dots though

[past forum]

the only time i wanted PI was when one of my guild friends was playing priest and I could erotically request his infusion

[spice spire]

[pliant remnant]

meow for PI

[spice spire]

I only meow for e-wenches

[pliant remnant]

[indigo mulch]

[slate crown]

You are correct, the dots are texts, and the bar is the progress bar core aura for the Cooldown. You're looking in the right places, but "Alpha" is controlling the parent frame opacity, which includes all sub elements.

If you want to hide or make transparent a sub element, the way to generally do that is tofind a way to properly hide the element. However, that's not possible here because the progress bar itself is the core of the aura.

The workaround to this you can do is to instead change the color to transparent. In the progress bar, find the Bar, and Background colors, open each and drag the alpha slider to the bottom on both of them. That should hide the bar while retaining the dots.

You'll have to do this for both Bar and Background

[spice spire]

[terse island]

Does CT snapshot the bonus from number of targets?

If I use it on 5 guys and three die, the other two still have the "extra" damage?

[rotund jungle]

somone got a good shroud wa? mine is broken

i want it so say in SAY chat not in grp

but if u got a good one i can also change it ^^

[spice spire]

Yes

It sticks to the amount hit when applied

[gilded oasis]

wish youd stick to me

bud

[slate crown]

[gilded oasis]

that didnt make it better

I thought it would help

[terse island]

nice

[pliant remnant]

[spice spire]

Ur too old for me big dog

Sorry

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

But I’ll take the cats

[slate crown]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[spice spire]

What’s DN?

[gilded oasis]

[chrome mirage]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[chrome mirage]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice spire]

Nice

[indigo mulch]

I've been baking muffins all day and half of them are already gone 😦

[reef oxide]

Im noticing that i do plenty of damage in heroics without using kingsbane. this was not the case in dragonflight. Is deathstalker carrying my aoe damage now?

[indigo mulch]

[gilded oasis]

did you lose them?

[indigo mulch]

No, i had wife tax come in.

[gilded oasis]

fanumtax strikes

what kind

[shy pecan]

It’s probably just bleeds and SD. Check your details for your damage profile. But no, will change because heroics is just trivial content.

[gilded oasis]

i might need to tax you

[indigo mulch]

Oh they are just normal chocolate ones with some choco cunks in there D;

[gilded oasis]

[spice spire]

Zar well known granny baker

Baking enjoyer even

[indigo mulch]

I was making it for our daughters birthday but i guess i have to make more now

[spice spire]

[shy pecan]

Need to tax you for your blizzcon goods

[gilded oasis]

dont make more daughters its not the serious

[spice spire]

Happy early birthday to your daughter homie

[abstract needle]

how is this for a 1 minute dummy dps check? 80m overall, about 1.2m dps

[tired gull]

not entirely sure what 1 minute on the dummy is supposed to achieve

[gloomy otter]

hi where can i find good pvp builds? and what spec is best for pvp

[abstract needle]

just checked some damage numbers

[spice spire]

You can test against this with the training dummy sim in raidbots

Best bet

[spice spire]

#pvp should have them

[red plaza]

hey guys do i need some haste for Assa ??

[abstract needle]

how do i do that?

[red plaza]

My sims always tell me go full crit/mast

[tired gull]

no caustic spatter?

[soft merlin]

where is caustic?

[spice spire]

You need whatever the robot says.
If it says you need haste, you need it, we like all talents

[gloomy otter]

ty

[spice spire]

They used fan, which doesn’t proc caustic

[abstract needle]

yea i forgot to do it...

[abstract needle]

yep

[spice spire]

Uh hold

Mobile so fucky

But yeah you definitely want to Mut on 5t

Idr how many cleave target dummy has

[shy dust]

Ask Mr robot is telling me to reforge my mastery haste ring into crit is that what I should do?

[wicked vector]

Okay boys, lets talk trinkets. I see recommendations on wowhead to use things other than flaywing toxin, but that thing sims wayyyyyy better for me than my other options, any idea on why that might be?

[subtle tundra]

what are other options?

wq trinkets?

cause if thats the case, wq trinkets you cant get higher ilvl

[iron valve]

deathstalker's mark damage also missing I believe

[spice spire]

AMR in this economy

[shy dust]

Doesn’t require a premium membership!

[iron valve]

do whatever the robot says, obv

[spice spire]

Ask mister robot

Is uh

[whole sand]

man AMR takes me back

[gilded oasis]

reforging in this economy?

[cobalt sphinx]

Amr and bloodmallet had their uses

[novel star]

undead

[spice spire]

Did you change target count

[abstract needle]

low but its there

[spice spire]

?

[abstract needle]

its for 1 target

[spice spire]

You would remember reforging

[red plaza]

Wich embelishments do i use with 590ilvl crafted gear? i got 1x Darkmoon buff on Weapon and thinking about the Second one now Crit buff above 80% hp or magic dmg from soket

[whole sand]

you can link the sim directly, there's a url at the side of the page

[spice spire]

Doesn’t make sense to compare to cleave dummies right?

[gilded oasis]

Pepperidge farm remembers

[abstract needle]

yep

[spice spire]

Just up the count

Should give accurate #

[abstract needle]

so when do i actually multi for maximizing my dps?

[spice spire]

Whenever you’ve spread your bleeds

Usually 5t is a decent number

I vibe it out

Totally real usage and should be followed (don’t do that)

[pliant remnant]

[cerulean maple]

!builds

wtf was the command again

i forget

[spice spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[spice spire]

They have the builds

[abstract needle]

seems to be better

[cerulean maple]

thank u!

[abstract needle]

now i need to learn how to reproc deathstalkers mark

[waxen oyster]

read your capstone

[tired gull]

was just hitting a normal dummy, only 1 mark out, consumed all 3 stacks, got DN, consumed that with 7cp envenom and then i had 2 stacks of mark

[royal lantern]

reading is for nerds

[spice spire]

Max cp envenom during dn or vanish ambush

[waxen oyster]

warrior discord is that a way

[royal lantern]

every discord is that way

we are not better in that regard

[pallid whale]

hi am dumb so slightly confused. what should my top damage be for aoe sin? Caustic,crimson or envenom?

[spice spire]

Depends on a lot

Likely caustic

Potentially crimson

Would be surprised if envenom tops

[waxen oyster]

sudden demise rn

but likely ct in real content

[pallid whale]

just confused cause my aoe sim has envemon as my top

[spice spire]

[pallid whale]

or maybe i messed something up in the sim

[spice spire]

When you say aoe sim

[indigo mulch]

[spice spire]

How did you sim

[waxen oyster]

does the sim have spatter

[distant plover]

any resources on how much aoe to run on each boss or do i have to activate my brain for once

[waxen oyster]

baked into env

sometimes it does that

[pallid whale]

just the dungeon slice thing

[spice spire]

Is it dungeon slice?

Ahh that’s not pure aoe

It’s like

[waxen oyster]

wait i think

poison bomb is counted into env

[spice spire]

50% aoe
25% cleave
25% st or some shit

[hazy wraith]

@spice spire generally 5 boss 2 min sim

[spice spire]

It’s just a figure

It is

[waxen oyster]

check env dropdown

[hazy wraith]

dungeon slice is trash

[spice spire]

It’s not trash

[pallid whale]

ah so just forget about it then

[hazy wraith]

keep using it

[spice spire]

It’s just not the ideal use for pure aoe

[waxen oyster]

I mean i just sim patchwerk

and use brain

[spice spire]

Flex harder on having one bud, I’m at negative brain cells

[pallid whale]

[distant plover]

use brain...

[pallid whale]

okay ty though just was confused and thought i was doing my aoe wrong

[hazy wraith]

i dont even know the fella, but use brain good

[distant plover]

[waxen oyster]

i have a warrior alt handy

when brain isnt available

[hazy wraith]

gtfo of here

[spice spire]

Ele shaman here

[hazy wraith]

we ride or die on this terrible yellow class

[spice spire]

Press chain lightning

[distant plover]

my alt is ele shaman its legit same level

[spice spire]

Chain lightning and earthquake

Send cds

And launch wave > totem > lava burst

[distant plover]

and even then pressing eq feels so bad even if stuff lives

[spice spire]

That’s the spec BABY

[distant plover]

zZzz

[whole sand]

fury warriors get to macro all their buttons together again its great

[waxen oyster]

doesnt ele play like outlaw eith cdr

[hazy wraith]

though i will say i've seen some disgusting fury war numbers 🫣

[distant plover]

the most advanced moment in the rotation

[haughty flicker]

idk

[waxen oyster]

you dont on aoe

[haughty flicker]

binding lightning bolt to scroll wheel down and chain lightning to scroll wheel up

[spice spire]

If I’m gonna be real sometimes I hold the burst and just wait for a proc for instant cast

[haughty flicker]

is pretty great gameplay

[distant plover]

feelsgoodman

nvm most advanced thing is having enough energy for stormkeeper

[haughty flicker]

farseer op for that

[distant plover]

so u can earthshock into LB

[spice spire]

[haughty flicker]

always have the instant cast

[proud mason]

How should i setup my stealth bar ? right now it's the same except mutilate > ambush

[spice spire]

Yeah was gonna say can far seer

But cba

Too many buttons

[spice spire]

That works

That’s how mine is set up

[vivid crown]

that's pmuch it

maybe pickpocket for wax

[haughty lantern]

ok so this is the other half of pooling i was trying to digest earlier

BASICALLY when we are not in dps dump everything mode, we're trying to (and ideally succeeding in) chaining together envenom buffs inside the cast window without fully grounding to a halt and having to start the process over

Do I have that right?