Raid encounters, strats and shit
#assassination
limber lion
fallen arch
I cannot play outlaw
limber lion
all changes how it plays
fallen arch
I’m comfortable as a poisoner
eager tree
this may not be accurate anymore as i only played it for s2 of DF but Outlaw was carpal tunnel simulator
pure moth
what even is outlaw lol
Awaste of time
limber lion
It sure is
fallen arch
If u wanna pew pew play hunter
severe sparrow
I wanna play both is the problem
limber lion
It's the reason why I cannot play it personally
limber lion
Yeh
severe sparrow
I need to join a 3rd raiding guild and put my 2nd rogue in it
limber lion
Yupyup
midnight mist
well last tier outalw wasnt nearly as ahead
limber lion
Then Assa goes pewpew on Spatter bosses
midnight mist
and all 3 end fights required burst
fallen arch
Who summoned the pirate
midnight mist
if last boss didnt have the shield to break
you could have played outlaw prolly
who knows
royal lantern
Who decided to give all the dragons some sort of shield
the frost mage aoe spell
spice surge
Who decided to give all the dragons some sort of shield
Tailswipes and breaths are so 2004
Shields are 2024
waxen oyster
I mean
both of them technically breath
Sark doesnt since hes a little baby reject dragon creation
royal lantern
Sark doesnt since hes a little baby reject dragon creation
just like me fr
spice surge
both of them technically breath
Iridikron didnt (the earth dragon)
He did have a shield though
limber lion
It's true
royal lantern
well we havent seen him as a raid boss
he has "raid boss hp" in the fight tbh
royal lantern
likey we are giga buffed and fight ends at 80%
waxen oyster
He barely does anyhing in the dungeon
fair coyote
Why is parry a thing in 2024 is the real question
waxen oyster
the little earth spikes
waxen oyster
i guess the frontal is technically a breath?
whole sand
Why is parry a thing in 2024 is the real question
to keep us in line
royal lantern
Why is parry a thing in 2024 is the real question
something Something meaningfull positioning and F R I C T I O N
haughty flicker
he had a breath, just not a BREATH like rasz and fyrakk
royal lantern
just stand behind the boss (you cant cus of fight mechanics)
spice surge
The positioning thing is fine, theres just a ton of different ways to do it that isnt parry
Like a flat 3% damage reduction would be way better
haughty flicker
bring positionals to wow pog
spice spire
Because he can parry
Who’s parry
haughty flicker
make backstab great again
royal lantern
bring positionals to wow pog
mate, i like you
haughty flicker
only usable behind boss
royal lantern
but
waxen oyster
like he doesnt fly up
whole sand
bring back expertise i say
waxen oyster
and deepbreath
spice surge
Who’s parry
The platypus in phineas and pherb
spice spire
Yeah In a week you fuck
royal lantern
eh, we wont really have a dragon fight in tww
rigid mango
Yeah In a week you fuck
ok and
waxen oyster
you dont think irid is gonna be a boss?
royal lantern
maybe iridikron at the last tier or something
whole sand
from the leaks i can't see where he's gonna show up this expansion
dusty zenith
Bring back arthas and they would save wow imo
whole sand
ruby sanctum style?
waxen oyster
well he came back in sl already
dusty zenith
Better antagonist than xal
whole sand
you take that back
arctic socket
Didn’t arthas get cucked and even his “spirit” is like gone gone
spice spire
Would kinda suck
haughty flicker
arthas is gone gone
dusty zenith
Ya they kill killed him
spice spire
Better antagonist than xal
Don’t you slander my barefoot queen
somber nimbus
anything can happen in the world of warcraft
whole sand
i wonder what illidan is gonna come back looking like
royal lantern
would it jsut suck to bring arthas back
they literally made a point in SL that said in your face multiple times "his story is finished, there is nothing more with him"
like, there is ofc bringing stuff bacm
but they made it crystal clear that arthas is gone gone
sturdy path
can someone explain me why tempered potion is more effective when using chaos flask?
haughty flicker
arthas doesnt show his feet so why would we want him back anyway
arctic socket
Arthas really got it the worst outta of any of the wow villains
royal lantern
Illidan? ofc he will come back, that was obvious since legion cus he just stayed behind lol
arctic socket
Would be nice if they killed off anduin though
spice spire
arthas doesnt show his feet so why would we want him back anyway
You’re so real for that king
spice spire
Would be nice if they killed off anduin though
Cease
arctic socket
Don’t even try and defend him bro
royal lantern
i wonder what illidan is gonna come back looking like
its illidan
overly dramatic and cheesy, but its so stupid that its fun again
arctic socket
We went like 3 expansions trying to find him or some shit
spice surge
can someone explain me why tempered potion is more effective when using chaos fl...
Because chaos isnt considered a tempered flask, so you have 4 inactive tempered flasks
spice spire
Bro I’m defending with my life
somber nimbus
bet illidan comes back for midnight
spice spire
2 expansions
arctic socket
Now he’s some type of dk paladin hybrid
spice spire
df
sturdy path
Because chaos isnt considered a tempered flask, so you have 4 inactive tempered ...
so pre pot gives you all 4 stats?
spice spire
And current
spice surge
so pre pot gives you all 4 stats?
Yes
spiral gale
Anduin just needs a new barber
royal lantern
Now he’s some type of dk paladin hybrid
he literally always was a Priest lol
severe halo
whats the command for plater profiles?
royal lantern
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
severe halo
ty
spice spire
Now he’s some type of dk paladin hybrid
Actually he’s pure paladin now previously he was more priest Paladin before so if anything he’s a more dedicated class
arctic socket
he literally always was a Priest lol
Yeah so he just picked a cuck class fair enough
somber nimbus
he literally always was a Priest lol
he left puberty
spice spire
spice spire
Doubt
arctic socket
Yall want some grass pics? Lmao
little tulip
spice spire
Yall want some grass pics? Lmao
Love grass
royal lantern
grass pics just confirm its fake
grass doesnt exist anymore, i ate it all
spice spire
Hell yeah
little tulip
i will trade u for the night pandas that ate our fence tomorrow
spice spire
Give me the grass
gusty lichen
Think there will be tuning today? Would think they’d do it today vs tomorrow.
little tulip
prommy lol
arctic socket
Er finally getting buffed
spice surge
Think there will be tuning today? Would think they’d do it today vs tomorrow.
its not gonna go live today either way, but its possible they announce it
somber nimbus
wheres sylvanas right now
spice surge
Most of the time tuning goes live on the weekly reset
little tulip
Think there will be tuning today? Would think they’d do it today vs tomorrow.
no tuning needs more than preseason battlegrounds
and heroic raids
gusty lichen
I mean announce tuning. I know it goes live tomorrow my bad
little tulip
we gonn wait as blizz intended
spice surge
I wouldnt expect any tuning this week though
whole sand
ER is gonna just magically work tuesday 
empty ruin
how do you guys feel about hp% conditional embellishments in m+? i find them annoying but obviously they are theoretically so much better that you kind of have to use them
spice spire
ER is gonna just magically work tuesday <:Copege:1002724678827257929>
Doubtful
spice surge
Next week is almost surely a tuning pass though
somber nimbus
sylvanas gonna redeem herself this xpac
royal lantern
how do you guys feel about hp% conditional embellishments in m+? i find them ann...
i mean, they are active for 90% of a fight
spice spire
Damn
arctic socket
Who’s ready to farm spyglass for hours
spice spire
I miss 2020 era guy
arctic socket
tawny geyser
What do we go with into raid on Wednesday? Fatebound or Deathstalker?
spice spire
Only spyglass I’m farming is the one near @royal lantern ‘s house
(I’m in his walls)
arctic socket
(I’m in his walls)
mystic kettle
So I just need to farm this opener and then manage my bleeds and energy pooling
arctic socket
What do we go with into raid on Wednesday? Fatebound or Deathstalker?
DS
pure moth
What do we go with into raid on Wednesday? Fatebound or Deathstalker?
Whatever you want tbh. Try both and see what you like best.
mystic kettle
I'm going to get this opener lockkkkkked down
somber nimbus
i like what's harder
severe halo
What do we go with into raid on Wednesday? Fatebound or Deathstalker?
whispyr has put a videoguide on yt each regarding m+ and raid, so if youre interested in the %differences when played correctly, you can look that up
tawny geyser
whispyr has put a videoguide on yt each regarding m+ and raid, so if youre inter...
I did, but I wonder if anything changed since then, with the ER bugs etc...
But I also love the DS playstyle way more, Fatebound screams Outlaw for me.
somber nimbus
huhehuhe
stiff inlet
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.
The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.
royal lantern
(I’m in his walls)
spice spire
Hey king
minor swift
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dusty zenith
Illidan gonna come back with a hair cut worse than Anduin
spice spire
south seal
can anyone link pre season bis list? icy veins updated their bis list to season 1 yesterday
spice surge
There really is no need for one
feral mason
oh brother
spice surge
Do m0 and delves on reset and its gonna replace all of the things you can get today
sturdy niche
Just dump all ur crests into crafting 590’s and ur done.
pliant remnant
can anyone link pre season bis list? icy veins updated their bis list to season ...
no
feral mason
safe totem
okay guys
is darkest night not supposed to be consumed by animacharges?
am I smoking crack?
royal lantern
its a bug
safe totem
that's a lot of dps you're losing because of it probably
spice spire
There’s worse bugs
spice spire
The 3 stack max envenom bug still exists
And I want to unalive every time it accidentally happens
royal lantern
i just noticed it on a dummy and it annoyed me
everyone agrees there 
soft shale
you can also krangle deathstalker's mark
safe totem
The 3 stack max envenom bug still exists
explain
soft shale
it is easier to do as sub but you can also manage as assa
spice spire
So you have dn
But reapply mark to an enemy with ambush
If you consume the third mark with DN active on a max envenom
What do you think happens?
That’s correct you lose everything
No marks, no DN nothing
wicked zodiac
you guys think sin is gonna playble on raid ?
safe totem
spice spire
Yes
soft shale
sadness and emptyness
fickle girder
you guys think sin is gonna playble on raid ?
no, literally unplayable, it doesn't work, go ret
soft shale
actually before you go ret come with me to m0 to trade me daggers
wicked zodiac
ret ?
wicked zodiac
omg
wicked zodiac
so is playble ?
wicked zodiac
ok ty
spice spire
tired gull
Combat is no longer playable
glossy remnant
APL question (can I get some eyes from apl creators, couldn't find it on wiki):
Why did 'e' change the target? Or did 'd' in action prio? I can only see target modifiers in 'c' and 'd' (in this early stage in rotation, but can't figure out why would 'e' affect the target.). Perhaps I am missing something and maybe 'd' changes the target after applying garrote (target_if)? I was under the impression it "finds" the target and applies garrote in that order. Would appreciate input on it.
If its not readable from screenshot (pulled from apl):
...
c: rupture,target_if=effective_combo_points>=variable.effective_spend_cp&buff.indiscriminate_carnage.up&refreshable&(!variable.regen_saturated|!variable.scent_saturation|!dot.rupture.ticking)
d: garrote,target_if=min:remains,if=stealthed.improved_garrote&(remains<12|pmultiplier<=1|(buff.indiscriminate_carnage.up&active_dot.garrote<spell_targets.fan_of_knives))&!variable.single_target&target.time_to_die-remains>2
e: garrote,if=stealthed.improved_garrote&(pmultiplier<=1|remains<12|!variable.single_target&buff.master_assassin_aura.remains<3)&combo_points.deficit>=1+2*talent.shrouded_suffocation
...
spice spire
APL question (can I get some eyes from apl creators, couldn't find it on wiki):
...
What does B say. Likely it’s the result of D due to it saying to garrote “target” if x y or z
This is also due spread from ic afaik
limber lion
APL question (can I get some eyes from apl creators, couldn't find it on wiki):
...
Fluffy_Pillow is the main target in the sims
It spreads to the additional targets first before it slams down on the main target
It just kinda doesn't matter for IC as it causes the same effect to happen
soft shale
yea you have 3 spread
royal lantern
Is there a spec that isen't playable though?
outlaw without acro
limber lion
I'm assuming that's a sim of 5 targets or less
glossy remnant
well... nothing in the 'e' specifies to switch back to main target. is this something simc does by default if apl entry does not have target modifier?
spiral gale
I melt mobs in ow but I get melted too
indigo mulch
Imma be completly real. Landing on 6CP instead of 7 during Darkest night feels absolutly awful. 😐
gray horizon
swift dagger
fax Quake
spice spire
Conceptually I thought I’d hate it.
Which tbf like it feels rushed and all over the place
But
I like it more than fb
indigo mulch
But like, i have an improved garrote running, so i don't want to overwrite it to get that singular CP to proc it, but i also really don't want to use a mutilate because you will just waste a bunch of energy and CP. 😐
rugged sphinx
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.
The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.
spice spire
But like, i have an improved garrote running, so i don't want to overwrite it to...
Feelcraft tells me you lose more overwriting improved garrote
But I’m clinically a moron
So
haughty flicker
you always just send mut
haughty flicker
whatever cp you're wasting is far more than made up for by what you get
i get that it annoys some people though
indigo mulch
Maybe, but it still feels bad overcapping.
spice spire
But like you might have garrote on cd as well
Why would you have garrotenon cd if you have an imp garrote up 
indigo mulch
Why would you have garrotenon cd if you have an imp garrote up <:gooseSTARE:1262...
Cause magic! What else?!
haughty flicker
im honestly surprised it doesnt annoy me at all, bc it seems exactly like the type of little thing that would drive me up a wall
indigo mulch
haughty flicker
only thing i hate is just the er bug, not even because its impactful but only bc it feels bad to skip the anima charged points
rest of deathstalker i dont mind
indigo mulch
Would feel way better if you can cycle through your marks faster.
ER gives you 2CPs though.
swift dagger
Opener with the ER bug sucks balls
crystal oxide
!ui
swift dagger
thats really annoying
indigo mulch
and ER actually works if the imp CP lands on the third one for some reason 
swift dagger
cuz u cant get consistent openers
haughty flicker
what
indigo mulch
Yeah, if ER lands on the third CP and you have 3 marks up, it consums it correctly.
haughty flicker
no not that
crystal oxide
what is that command for weakaura 0.0
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
limber lion
well... nothing in the 'e' specifies to switch back to main target. is this some...
I'm assuming that in this case it's checking for the !variable.single_target condition and because of that it checks all targets, applying garrotes to other targets appropriately without needing to input a cycle_target -condition.
swift dagger
i meant what does the er bug have to do with opener
current opener assumes we can use animacharged CP to consume mark
limber lion
Idk
swift dagger
but depending on which animacharged CP u land on it might not work correctly
its not a big deal but like I said its annoying cuz its not consistent with the bug around
limber lion
All I know is that the sim uses Garrote as many times as needed to get GarryD's on all targets
and I'm happy with that result
limber lion
but depending on which animacharged CP u land on it might not work correctly
Wut
What does consuming the mark do
rugged sphinx
I know this isn't assassination specific, but with the ascension embellishment, the only difference between the 3 tiers is recipe difficulty, correct?
limber lion
Yes
rugged sphinx
ty
limber lion
Np
strange python
man singular focus is going to make it even harder to get aoe value out of kb in low keys 😐
royal lantern
rest of deathstalker i dont mind
the 7CP thing is weird
limber lion
It doesn't really do too much
royal lantern
should just be 5cp+ imo
limber lion
Like it's not gonna change anything
royal lantern
if it would be benefical, we would go 7CP anyway
haughty flicker
oh i definitely agree
i dont think the 7 cp thing is a good thing, it just doesnt bother me
strange python
Like it's not gonna change anything
5% of my entire aoe going onto the highest hp mob i put kb on does 100% risk clipping another tick or two off of kb
royal lantern
like idk, not critting 3x in a row and watching my entire energy bar disapear
is kinda oof
(but hey, they good AUTO TEA will also make it worse in 11.0.5 🙂 )
limber lion
5% of my entire aoe going onto the highest hp mob i put kb on does 100% risk cli...
How much damage has it done for you in dungeons?
What does the details breakdown look like
strange python
i haven't done any yet, just dinged 80 and leveled as fate
limber lion
Figured.
strange python
but i played pure poison build all of df s4, and mobs not living for the last ticks of kb was a plague
and this is going to make that worse, lessened somewhat by playing bleeds
limber lion
You know what else makes it worse?
KB doing 50% less damage than last patch
Oh wait it's the other way around
Singular Focus is not going to replace the damage we lost on KB when it got giga nerfed
novel veldt
!fuu[
limber lion
The mob in the +8 that you did will not insta die to KB like it did in the previous season
novel veldt
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
royal python
Has deathstalker killing blow darkest night bug been fixed
distant plover
u delay second deathmark for vanish right?
grim jay
Has deathstalker killing blow darkest night bug been fixed
it wasnt a bug but yes
grim jay
u delay second deathmark for vanish right?
yes
royal python
and what about cases where a boss phases, do we lose the mark ? or do we get darkest night buff instead ?
rancid bison
is assassin still top build for raid or are outlaw better now?
willow grotto
Do you know if "Bubbling Wax" will be strong or completely weak compared to other weapon runes?
outer sundial
it wasnt a bug but yes
where has this been confirmed?
slate crown
Do you know if "Bubbling Wax" will be strong or completely weak compared to othe...
Still being implemented in sims at this moment but with current testing it appears to be strong, though it also appears that it only works in your mainhand, so you will likely want wax MH whetstone offhand.
Precise testing still ongoing but Wax is good
grim jay
where has this been confirmed?
what
willow grotto
Still being implemented in sims at this moment but with current testing it appea...
thx mate !
outer sundial
you said that the darkest night last hit bug wasn't a bug and it's now fixed
how do you know
grim jay
that its fixed, by playing the game
grim jay
I've done plenty stuff since reset and it worked just fine
they also published what they did in the notes
haughty flicker
It works fine, there are other things that can interfere with it though if you weren’t being careful
outer sundial
iirc notes didn't mention anything deathstalker specific
grim jay
iirc notes didn't mention anything deathstalker specific
not the last ones, but somewhere
they said they delayed the damage instance
by 0.2s or something
outer sundial
ooh, i totally missed that
coral agate
That's assuming the mark is rolling. Sorry for the delayed response, had a very emergency.
Real life situation: tank goes to pull boss, there is some damage or mechanic that knocks you out of stealth on pull (which seems to be happening too damned often) or you don't have Darkest Night buff due for some reason and the tank is chain pulling. You can no longer use Deathstalker's Mark without using Vanish to Ambush, thus throwing off the opener and making it so you don't get improved Garrote during the Death Mark/Shiv/KB window.
Just let it trigger from Improved Garrote, that way you still have a window to use if knocked out of stealth for some reason. Or in open world where you could at least go stealth, interact with item, encounter starts but you still have the window for improved Garrote even though you're not in stealth
haughty flicker
i mean if the tank is pulling trash onto the boss you have darkest night or a mark active
cobalt sphinx
Vanish lets you put up improved garrote though
coral agate
You have several seconds to apply Garrote when knocked out of stealth, you don't for ambush.
cobalt sphinx
Yeah the design is pretty fucking terrible but it's not unmanageable
coral agate
i mean if the tank is pulling trash onto the boss you have darkest night or a ma...
One would hope but that's assuming your full CP actually applied the mark...which isn't always the case. I'll get the damage but then there's no mark which is maddening. #smallindiedevs
haughty flicker
thats a bug ive yet to have happen
unless i made a mistake and used ambush from stealth while dn was active
coral agate
It's very rare but still happens.
coral agate
unless i made a mistake and used ambush from stealth while dn was active
Why would that be a mistake, you'll still have DN buff and put a stalker's mark on the mob.
haughty flicker
if you have dn active you have no reason to press ambush from stealth
grim jay
That's assuming the mark is rolling. Sorry for the delayed response, had a very ...
you already misplayed at that point tbf
cobalt sphinx
everyone misplays though
haughty flicker
doing so is both a mistake anyway, and bugs dn
coral agate
That's not what I said. I asked why would that be a mistake that your DN isn't working?
cobalt sphinx
the dsm mechanic is very unforgiving
grim jay
everyone misplays though
what does that even have to do with it
you do a repeated mistake leading to that
so you shouldnt expect the same result
as someone that didnt
and you still have vanish
haughty flicker
That's not what I said. I asked why would that be a mistake that your DN isn't w...
brother you responded to what i said with "that", its exactly what you said
if theres a different bug that sometimes makes dn not proc then obviously thats not a mistake, thats just a bug
but what i said was not that
coral agate
"That's a bug...unless...."
How is one thing affecting the other? You stated it's a bug you haven't encountered UNLESS, which is why I'm asking how is that a bug you encountered from that when you still get the mark and have the DN buff.
grim jay
if theres a different bug that sometimes makes dn not proc then obviously thats ...
from what ive seen the only really present bug that drobs both DN and mark is if you consume the last mark with the 7cp DN envenom
haughty flicker
i genuinely can not tell what you're trying to say at this point
grim jay
and then 2 people that said they rarely dont get marks after DN
haughty flicker
i said i encountered a bug where using ambush while dn is active would result in mark falling off
which is a bug that can only occur from a misplay to begin with
i have no idea what you are going on about
grim jay
i said i encountered a bug where using ambush while dn is active would result in...
#assassination message that one you mean
spice spire
Are we going to kiss or
haughty flicker
Are we going to kiss or
coral agate
You stated "that's a bug I've yet to have happen unless I made a mistake and used ambush from stealth while DN was active." I'm asking what is bugged about this? You're getting the stalker mark and you have the DN buff still up.
grim jay
Are we going to kiss or
poisonous kisses
haughty flicker
You stated "that's a bug I've yet to have happen unless I made a mistake and use...
wdym what is bugged about it
the bug is that it can cause both dn and mark to disappear
grim jay
You stated "that's a bug I've yet to have happen unless I made a mistake and use...
#assassination message that is
cobalt sphinx
You stated "that's a bug I've yet to have happen unless I made a mistake and use...
consuming dn on the final stack of dsm will drop your mark
that is the bug
and it is a mistake to do that
onyx gyro
Is deathstalker still bugged or should I play fate bound still
spice spire
You stated "that's a bug I've yet to have happen unless I made a mistake and use...
If you max cp finish envenom on final stack you lose everything with both up
onyx gyro
For raid
spice spire
And yeah you should not do that as a result
coral agate
If you max cp finish envenom on final stack you lose everything with both up
But if you have the buff and open with ambush, how is that a bug? You didn't consume the buff yet and you used Ambush which causes DsM.
grim jay
Is deathstalker still bugged or should I play fate bound still
its completely fine
spice spire
But if you have the buff and open with ambush, how is that a bug? You didn't con...
Because
You have one mark left
You max envenom
It consumes mark + dn
And it consumes dn and mark
And doesn’t roll over
Thus
grim jay
But if you have the buff and open with ambush, how is that a bug? You didn't con...
opening with ambush if you have DN is playing wrong
is what he said
spice spire
You wait on w vanish
coral agate
That's not what I'm asking
spice spire
To reapply marks
The bug is that
That’s it
There’s no reason to ambush while dn is up
Because that can be a catastrophic loss
haughty flicker
spice spire
Just max envenom to proc it into new marks
coral agate
So it's not a bug. He misspoke and instead of actually answering the question I'm asking you're answering the question you want to answer. Got it
spice spire
But that’s how it works currently
cobalt sphinx
ambushing with dn leads to a bugged interaction and is the only scenario where your dn drops mark
grim jay
So it's not a bug. He misspoke and instead of actually answering the question I'...
its playing wrong that can lead to a bug, like people said it multiple times now
haughty flicker
talking about deathstalker in this discord has got to be the biggest trap in existence
austere sorrel
coral agate
You keep saying that but you're not answering HOW it's a bug. You have the buff, you open with Ambush, Ambush puts the mark on. YOU HAVENT CONSUMED THE DN BUFF YET, so you should have bother the buff and the mark on.
cobalt sphinx
ambushing with dn leads to a bugged interaction and is the only scenario where your dn drops mark
ambushing with dn leads to a bugged interaction and is the only scenario where your dn drops mark
ambushing with dn leads to a bugged interaction and is the only scenario where your dn drops mark
haughty flicker
You keep saying that but you're not answering HOW it's a bug. You have the buff,...
that part
is not
the bug
spice spire
Just don’t ambush while you have dn up unless dn is going to drop before you can proc marks
grim jay
You keep saying that but you're not answering HOW it's a bug. You have the buff,...
yeah and after that happens the bug that got explained 500 times now
what are you on about
coral agate
I wasn't asking that
haughty flicker
nobody ever said that part was the bug
tired gull
Yes there is a bug, Yes there is a way to avoid the bug completely
haughty flicker
where are you getting this
coral agate
I was specifically asking about what Bel said before
onyx gyro
its completely fine
Thanks for reply. Do you think there is a significant dps difference between fatebound and deathstalker for raids? My sim is only 2% difference .
coral agate
You stated "that's a bug I've yet to have happen unless I made a mistake and used ambush from stealth while DN was active." I'm asking what is bugged about this? You're getting the stalker mark and you have the DN buff still up.
grim jay
Thanks for reply. Do you think there is a significant dps difference between fa...
that is about the reasonable difference
cobalt sphinx
is this an AI meant to make people angry
novel star
wow players get so mad about the most pointless shit without even knowing what theyre talkin about im crying
this guy is prolly baiting
haughty flicker
this is wild
onyx gyro
I kind of like the simplicity of fatebound but don’t want to cripple my dps not playing deathstalker
spice spire
I kind of like the simplicity of fatebound but don’t want to cripple my dps not ...
You won’t cripple your dps
outer sundial
I think he's trying to ask why it's a mistake
haughty flicker
You stated "that's a bug I've yet to have happen unless I made a mistake and use...
i was stating that that is the way i encountered the bug
spice spire
It’s not THAT large of a difference
grim jay
brother is crazy, multiple people explained it multiple times
outer sundial
lol
haughty flicker
not that it is the bug
rotund oak
You keep saying that but you're not answering HOW it's a bug. You have the buff,...
probably some unintented interaction that ''stores'' the next mark in the DN buff and removes the ability to apply the new mark from an ambush while the DN ''combat state'' is active.Thats how most bugs of that type work in general but we cant rly know.We only know its a bug because the 1st condition in which the mark is applied doesnt function while under the DN buff
spice spire
I think he's trying to ask why it's a mistake
Because that’s the one way to lose all marks for a 2m window
Therefore mistake
heavy zodiac
I have another question. I am trying to make a macro for Deathmark + Kingsbane. But I cant to get it to work. I have other macros but for Kingsbane specifically it doesnt work...
arctic socket
The fact yall keep explaining it after already explaining it and explaining how you explained it is wild
forest nacelle
I leave to go get food at around 11am, and i got 600+ messages in this channel, wtf are yall talkjing about xDDDD
grim jay
I kind of like the simplicity of fatebound but don’t want to cripple my dps not ...
no the 2% you have as a diff are pretty reasonable. you will always do better with fatebound if you mess up deathstalker aswell
arctic socket
I leave to go get food at around 11am, and i got 600+ messages in this channel, ...
Don’t ask
novel star
lots of yapping in here
spice spire
I have another question. I am trying to make a macro for Deathmark + Kingsbane. ...
Both are on gcd
novel star
active channel
spice spire
It will not work
vernal oyster
I kind of like the simplicity of fatebound but don’t want to cripple my dps not ...
keep in mind deathstalker has the downside that if there is enough downtime on the boss like an intermission then you lose mark for a good bit of time
royal python
does refreshing rupture before it expires, refresh corrupt the blood stacks?
novel star
sin is so sexy and popular now
haughty flicker
need to blacklist the terms deathstalker and dn
and avoid any type of this again
fluid jetty
Hey could you please let me know what crafted items I need to get for assa m+ ?
outer sundial
Yeah, i think it would be good to say for clarity, that it's a mistake due to being bugged. If it was working correctly i guess it wouldn't be such a problem
grim jay
The fact yall keep explaining it after already explaining it and explaining how ...
thats the determination of wanting to help, but some people refuse to get helped
spice spire
need to blacklist the terms deathstalker and dn
!dn
prisma monolithBOT
Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?
- Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
Echoing Reprimand.... - Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
- Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
But the 3rd cp or something? - Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
Does Blizzard know? - There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.
arctic socket
thats the determination of wanting to help, but some people refuse to get helped
It hurtreading all of that
rotund oak
<:angery:433318454502752258>
spice spire
Yeah, i think it would be good to say for clarity, that it's a mistake due to be...
Has that not been said multiple times (I’m at work and am catching up I’m not 100% sure and am not being aggro)
cobalt sphinx
**Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?**
- Only the i...
that needs to be edited to explain the conditions that drop mark tbf
novel star
outer sundial
Has that not been said multiple times (I’m at work and am catching up I’m not 10...
i don't know lol
novel star
pic doesnt really show it nvm
arctic socket
<:Bedge:943081595684929666>
Dragonnnnn
haughty flicker
i need lunch
spice spire
Fair enough
novel star
this mf sleepin
haughty flicker
uh
dense talon
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
sturdy path
when having darkest night buff up, if you land on 6 cp, do you mutilate+envenom or just envenom and try again?
spice spire
What are options
forest nacelle
i need lunch
call me Lunchmeat 😄
spice spire
when having darkest night buff up, if you land on 6 cp, do you mutilate+envenom ...
You
Mut + envenom
Feels bad
spice spire
You’ll waste the cp
grim jay
Yeah, i think it would be good to say for clarity, that it's a mistake due to be...
tbf it probably isnt a bug that leads to it. what it leads to is a bug. ambush applying marks even if you have dn up is perfectly reasonable
haughty flicker
u want something sweet or meaty
is this a trap
spice spire
But getting marks up is top priority
arctic socket
is this a trap
Go grab some fajitas
sturdy path
got it, thanks @spice spire
spice spire
coral agate
what should i get
Have you tried arsenic?
haughty flicker
wild
forest nacelle
Have you tried arsenic?
thats toxic.
spice spire
tbf it probably isnt a bug that leads to it. what it leads to is a bug. ambush a...
Logic here is that there are 500 ways to miss a few dps but this is a way to lose quite a bit
haughty flicker
big true
arctic socket
How did that not get bot filtered
rotund oak
is this a trap
no man lol,its intented ive got two proposals.One is some nutella crepe with almonds and some white chocolate or just some fancy kebab
spice spire
But also
arctic socket
Holy
spice spire
What the fuck
haughty flicker
What the fuck
not me brother
solid venture
Probably because of the = in front of it
grim jay
Logic here is that there are 500 ways to miss a few dps but this is a way to los...
ikr, just saying that it will probably stay like that in terms of application, they might just fix DN on last mark stack, but even then it will still be bad to ambush if you have DN
rotund oak
Have you tried arsenic?
wtf man,thats some wild psychopath behaviour
spice spire
not me brother
No I just saw
That
But the killing thing is a filtered thing
That’s what I’m amazed at
Gamers being gamers
Less so
haughty flicker
i guess = really is op
rich wigeon
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater
spice spire
Real gamer move
rotund oak
I’ve been told more times than I can count <:SmileDog:1181912280053600256>
u always count in our hearts
arctic socket
I’ve been told more times than I can count <:SmileDog:1181912280053600256>
To try arsenic?
haughty flicker
didnt realize it was filtered, even though it makes sense in context i'll remove it though
spice spire
To try arsenic?
Yeah
arctic socket
Damn
twilit steppe
hey guys - why does my Echoing Reprimand sometimes give me only 2 cp in the opener and not 3? is there any specific reason?
spice spire
Pretty sure you told me once
haughty flicker
To try arsenic?
well its just the logical way to respond to a disagreement right
spice spire
hey guys - why does my Echoing Reprimand sometimes give me only 2 cp in the open...
It only generates 2
tired gull
hey guys - why does my Echoing Reprimand sometimes give me only 2 cp in the open...
didn't crit
lusty hedge
Hey guys where should i use shiv outside of bane windows ?
spice spire
Hey guys where should i use shiv outside of bane windows ?
In raid? No. In keys sure man send it
tired gull
Hey guys where should i use shiv outside of bane windows ?
with 2 charges, only shiv for kingsbane, with 1 charge, on cd
arctic socket
Yall don’t hold shiv charges for kb?
woven shore
Im a Flag
rotund oak
we dont have charges though
woven shore
spice spire
Not in mythic
rotund oak
lusty hedge
with 2 charges, only shiv for kingsbane, with 1 charge, on cd
Thanks
nimble tinsel
So how troll is it to drop both points in Leth to get 1 in Subt to combat the issue of things knocking you out of stealth immediately?
novel star
So how troll is it to drop both points in Leth to get 1 in Subt to combat the is...
troll it literally doesn’t do anything
spice spire
grim jay
So how troll is it to drop both points in Leth to get 1 in Subt to combat the is...
its ok but unnecessary
cobalt sphinx
does it give you 3 seconds of ambush dsm
nimble tinsel
Yes
echo heath
any updates to embellishments? haven't seen any changes yet wrt dawnthread and elemental focus lens
novel star
arent you reapplying it with envenom for the entire dungeon
arctic socket
arent you reapplying it with envenom for the entire dungeon
As long as it isn’t that one ship dungeon place
grim jay
arent you reapplying it with envenom for the entire dungeon
maybe they are part of the crowd deleting their own DN
arctic socket
Where you have to fly between the blimps
waxen oyster
i’ve yet to experience this constant knocking out of stealth
arctic socket
Fuck that place
grim jay
Where you have to fly between the blimps
can still stealth
arctic socket
can still stealth
On the last I don’t believe so
cobalt sphinx
is it really optimal to delay your bleeds with 7 cp envenoms
coral agate
Not a disagreement @haughty flicker . You weren't listening, constantly belittled, and truly made me appreciate the benefits systemic income inequality where this will be the only place I have to experience your existence. You repeatedly refused to answer what was being asked and kept trying to answer the question you wanted to answer. I asked a very simple question on what the bug interaction was and you constantly ignored that part and focused on the application of DsM and consumption of DN, while actively ignoring the question being asked due to either a lack of reading comprehension.
nimble tinsel
i’ve yet to experience this constant knocking out of stealth
It's not constant, I've just noticed it on occasion and it's super annoying when it happens lol
novel star
is it really optimal to delay your bleeds with 7 cp envenoms
wdym envenoms
grim jay
On the last I don’t believe so
for the last one you can have vanish
arctic socket
Feels badge
novel star
its just 1 envenom and then you have your mark up which is required to get value from half of your hero talents
arctic socket
Bro wrote a paragraph
oblique kiln
Is there a certain amount of haste we aim for or does it not really matter
haughty flicker
Not a disagreement <@141686617789169664> . You weren't listening, constantly bel...
if you felt belittled then im sorry, i said multiple times though that i didnt understand what you were trying to say
novel star
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
arctic socket
Is there a certain amount of haste we aim for or does it not really matter
What ever your robot tells you
grim jay
is it really optimal to delay your bleeds with 7 cp envenoms
you dont delay anything
haughty flicker
and its still no reason to say what you did
novel star
Not a disagreement <@141686617789169664> . You weren't listening, constantly bel...
dude im not gonna lie this whole message is reddit as fuck
LMFAOOOOO
haughty flicker
its ok i'll just go eat my arsenic fahitas
waxen oyster
Whenever I think my day is mid.
cobalt sphinx
wdym envenoms
i meant for your opener in dungeons, dn envenom delays your bleeds
spice spire
Bros
novel star
i meant for your opener in dungeons, dn envenom delays your bleeds
i mean you still just do the normal opener
grim jay
i meant for your opener in dungeons, dn envenom delays your bleeds
no you delay the envenom for the bleeds
coral agate
It really wasn't. You never stated how that interaction is a bug. You just keep saying it is when there is no indication you can't have both up and the spell ids aren't excused from each other.
tired gull
just shut up about it already you sound like a couple high school girls
arctic socket
What’s the point of still continuing that
tired gull
but youuuu said, no but youuuu said, but youuuu said
grim jay
It really wasn't. You never stated how that interaction is a bug. You just keep ...
well you still dont understand what was said. the bug is literally what you discounted as not what you asked the whole time
spice spire
Ty homies
coral agate
well you still dont understand what was said. the bug is literally what you disc...
English please?
haughty flicker
it is what it is, blocked him and moving on to lunch
grim jay
alright you are just diabolical
arctic socket
Where’s a purple / green name when you need one
grim jay
not gonna indulge in your nonsense any further
spice spire
I mean you can ping them
wooden kiln
Hi, just a small question to be sure, if we put 2 talents in vicious venoms, we just never fok in ST, even with the proc of Clear the witnesses?
arctic socket
Hi, just a small question to be sure, if we put 2 talents in vicious venoms, we ...
Correct
grim jay
I mean you can ping them
you need your rank back
arctic socket
Damn
spice spire
I dropped out thinking I wasn’t going to play
cobalt sphinx
no you delay the envenom for the bleeds
doesn't that skip a full mark? if you do rupture rupture ct you will clear a full mark and envenom at the same point in your rotation
grim jay
I have tira and tryan
spice spire
spice spire
I have tira and tryan
You mean we have them
grim jay
doesn't that skip a full mark? if you do rupture rupture ct you will clear a ful...
you skip nothing because you dont ambush
fallow canopy
I dropped out thinking I wasn’t going to play
who's gonna review my logs now? 
cobalt sphinx
yeah but if you were to ambush you would clear a full mark
arctic socket
He will
grim jay
yeah but if you were to ambush you would clear a full mark
yeah but you would also invest a gcd thats totally pointless
spice spire
who's gonna review my logs now? <:Sadge:771852802339242014>
Me because my dumbass decided the day before early access
grim jay
the mark itself deals barely any damage
spice spire
I was going to play
spice spire
Lost the rank and still playing the game.
Double L actually
cobalt sphinx
it's an extra ctw at least
spice spire
grim jay
it's an extra ctw at least
which isnt worth either
all of that just isnt numerically worth
fallow canopy
Lost the rank and still playing the game.
Double L actually
we have you so that's a W for us, if that counts for smth
shy dust
we have you so that's a W for us, if that counts for smth
Think that’s an L for us actually
spice spire
we have you so that's a W for us, if that counts for smth
Babe?
spice spire
Think that’s an L for us actually
The only L you know it Latinx pal
shy dust
The only L you know it Latinx pal
waxen oyster
Latinx
shy dust
He knows it hurts me
waxen oyster
Wypipo trying to change other people’s languages
grim jay
trying to switch up the vibe after the arsenic incident yk
gotta be careful tho, there is a fine line for quake before he calls you dog and its too much
shy dust
Wypipo trying to change other people’s languages
So true king.
spice spire
the fuck happened in here
Me
arctic socket
the fuck happened in here
Dn (deez nuts)
fallow canopy
gotta be careful tho, there is a fine line for quake before he calls you dog and...
reward or punishment?
marble hemlock
id rather have quakes nuts
spice spire
Say less
grim jay
understandable
fallow canopy
id rather have quakes nuts
with the amount of bugs its only a matter of time til we proc those
arctic socket
id rather have quakes nuts
Fair n understandable
spice spire
Y’all wild for that one tho I’m ngl
grim jay
with the amount of bugs its only a matter of time til we proc those
we just need to have more unfriendly stuff happening
and they will procc real quick
normal mist
https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111
I felt the same, so i turned around
arctic socket
Make his name green again
grim jay
You mean we have them
also kinda true, oxi is taking part in this aswell
grim jay
I felt the same, so i turned around
you can stay, it certainly looks like he will drop a wall of reddit text again
waxen oyster
I heard if you untalent iron wire
spice spire
also kinda true, oxi is taking part in this aswell
Oxi is a married man. I’d never make him do that
spice spire
I heard if you untalent iron wire
I will hit filter
waxen oyster
whispyr will come banging on your door
marble hemlock
I felt the same, so i turned around
blazing jewel
@spice spire are your nuts available
spice spire
Make his name green again
I’m colorblind so it’s green to me bud
grim jay
Oxi is a married man. I’d never make him do that
his own free will. he even said I need to battle it out with tryan for spot 4 in his german harem
spice spire
Checkmate
spice spire
<@226508540746006528> are your nuts available
Hey king what’s good
blazing jewel
grim jay
oh shit its scana
little tulip
saynora n_nb
blazing jewel
It ain’t me
cobalt sphinx
does subterfuge give you iron wire
little tulip
let's crush some necks anyway
cobalt sphinx
that could be worth
grim jay
that could be worth
no
shy pecan
It ain’t me
Where’s pics?
waxen oyster
i think only pvpers play it
blazing jewel
Where’s pics?
I got you
waxen oyster
because it enables more cheapshot spam
grim jay
wouldnt be surprised if even they dropped it
spice spire
<a:LICKA:1229828494633209946>
Bring me the sink demon
Also I hope you enjoyed fathergainz
blazing jewel
Bring me the sink demon
2.5 weeks
spice spire
coral agate
the fuck happened in here
Asked a question, instead of getting an answer was just belittled and told I've been given an answer when the response was repeatedly wasn't what was asked. My fault really for overestimating the reading comprehension of someone that doesn't use grammar, punctuation, or write in complete sentences.
cobalt sphinx
you didn't understand that you were answered
you chose to just repeat the question
that's why it was so ridiculous
coral agate
Do you know what a bug is?
cobalt sphinx
no enlighten me
novel star
Asked a question, instead of getting an answer was just belittled and told I've ...
can u quit being so reddit bro ur making it stink in here
grim jay
you didn't understand that you were answered
just let him cook, he escaped reddit and needs some time to find himself
mellow rivet
i watched the full whispyr video about assa m+ guide. can some1 explain to me, if i need to change "main" targets for some reason? he talks about "you have to spin the mark".
spice spire
Really wish we’d stop entertaining.
You can’t call toxicity after telling someone to ingest arsenic though, it’s very uh, counter intuitive
grim jay
Really wish we’d stop entertaining.
You can’t call toxicity after telling someon...
love how you tried to not say dumb or immature
grim jay
i watched the full whispyr video about assa m+ guide. can some1 explain to me, i...
the mark is just on your main target, nowhere else
he probably meant cycling through it
you would only change your main target if you had something specific you wanna focus
which would then happen with you consuming all mark stacks and 7cp envenoming your new target
mellow rivet
hm, in the guide he literally switches the main targets. now i am not sure if its necessary for some reason or as you say for focussing something
chilly mist
i watched the full whispyr video about assa m+ guide. can some1 explain to me, i...
To consume all stacks and transfer it through a 7cp envenom? Not sure what else he could've meeant
grim jay
hm, in the guide he literally switches the main targets. now i am not sure if it...
as I mentioned, only if you really had to swap
bcs something important spawned
haughty flicker
its just if you want to swap do it with dn
grim jay
or adds came up on a raidboss
haughty flicker
like yeah prio add or something
waxen oyster
Sometimee I feel whispyr shouldn’t have included the swap mark section.
Because the average person watching youtube class guides.
Isn’t doing content where it’s relevant.
severe sparrow
👉👈 ok but does this all mean i have to mut during blindside procs then, till this is sorted out? or risk fucking my mark? sorry im slow
cerulean nest
is whispyr's boss-specific talent wowhead guide out yet? cant find it
waxen oyster
nah blindside doesnt effect it
Would be nice though
normal mist
👉👈 ok but does this all mean i have to mut during blindside procs then, till t...
You can't mute if blindside is up
grim jay
is whispyr's boss-specific talent wowhead guide out yet? cant find it
no I think he is still working on it. think he said today or tomorrow
coral agate
no enlighten me
You both described an interaction of two abilities, you said it was a bug. You keep talking about consuming DN, that was never a part of the original conversation
severe sparrow
You can't mute if blindside is up
i thought we could macro that shit
severe sparrow
guess im dumb
tired gull
still
severe sparrow
haha
haughty flicker
just block and move on
coral agate
Sigh
shy dust
Yall making outlaw channel look hospitable in comparison
normal mist
True
fallow canopy
Yall making outlaw channel look hospitable in comparison
whoa whoa easy there bud
analog tinsel
do i need sac brood trinket on ass rogue? had it drop but whole group is asking for it
dark token
You could say the convo in this channel is... Ass
marble hemlock
do i need sac brood trinket on ass rogue? had it drop but whole group is asking ...
its good, but not necessarily bis
haughty flicker
You could say the convo in this channel is... Ass
chilly mist
pretty ass ass
rotund oak
Yall making outlaw channel look hospitable in comparison
now now u overexaggerating here
grim jay
i thought we could macro that shit
they made a change where ambush will entirely replace your mut keybind, so idk if you can even still macro out of it. but there is no reason to do so, you even wanna actively spend your blindside proccs
fallow canopy
You could say the convo in this channel is... Ass
gottem
waxen oyster
no I think he is still working on it. think he said today or tomorrow
if boss has more than 1 target up spec spatter
is it really more than that
analog tinsel
its good, but not necessarily bis
better to keep it or to fuck it off to some random paladin
dark token
if boss has more than 1 target up spec spatter
(if ur padding)
grim jay
if boss has more than 1 target up spec spatter
im one step ahead of you
dark token
Not sure u should spec spatter on rashanan for example
spice spire
Yall making outlaw channel look hospitable in comparison
Don’t do this to me king
cold niche
any assa 586 or higheer can made a simc? i waant to see the dmg in 5 target
waxen oyster
(if ur padding)
Internal bleeding is relatively low impact
dark token
(3% st but sure)
cobalt sphinx
better to keep it or to fuck it off to some random paladin
Depends what you have, it doesn’t sim super high but it’s not bad either
vestal crow
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
- Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
dark token
It's not insignificant
Other fights I agree adds are important spec spatter
Rashanan they rly aren't tho
marble hemlock
as for the other stuff, yeah, i read like 5 minutes worth of back and forth, doesnt seem like either side is gonna learn anything from this conversation, so lets just drop it
marble hemlock
generally speaking, if 5 people all tell you the same thing, the chances of the problem lying with everybody else decrease significantly
waxen oyster
true we specced spatter for igira spears
marble hemlock
true we specced spatter for igira spears
to pad
fallow canopy
thats 2 seconds of pad
lets make it 1.5s and dream on
marble hemlock
it wasnt actually helpful to kill the boss
marble hemlock
its just that IB is pretty shit
waxen oyster
because we were doing it
severe sparrow
padding makes me feel better when i look at details
marble hemlock
so the spatter pick almost always makes sense since you give up so little for it
severe sparrow
uwu
waxen oyster
Yeah also what i meant
spatter is a low cost investment
compared to sub taking tornado
etc
novel storm
Which week are we going to be able to catalyst items into set pieces?
marble hemlock
a pretty bad talent
fallow canopy
padding makes me feel better when i look at details
morale boost = more locked in = less mistakes = more damage = better ST performance taps forehead
marble hemlock
compared to the value spatter can provide
grim jay
it wasnt actually helpful to kill the boss
if the spears died fast enough so that your ranged could get one less cast on them, you gained more boss damage
marble hemlock
but this tier seems kinda trash for spatter
grim jay
marble hemlock
no one hit the spears with anything but passive cleave
chilly mist
any assa 586 or higheer can made a simc? i waant to see the dmg in 5 target
sure, sending in dm
grim jay
reminds me of the guy that we benched because he went in first pull cranking hard
until we looked at his talents
and he skilled aoe shit
haughty flicker
based
fallow canopy
he had a vision
haughty flicker
best seat in the house baby
waxen oyster
speccing full aoe is unhinged tbh
dense talon
Quick question. I thought assasination was the best spec going into the patch. However, the spreadsheet has Outlaw doing more dps. Am I missing something here?
waxen oyster
spatter being a singular point deviation from full st build wasnt a huge commitment
runic hinge
Quick question. I thought assasination was the best spec going into the patch. H...
!best
prisma monolithBOT
All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.
Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.
You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.
marble hemlock
Quick question. I thought assasination was the best spec going into the patch. H...
Comparing simdps across specs is not a good idea.
cobalt sphinx
I think outlaw has historically simmed far higher than it performs
coral agate
just ignore him and the conversation will die out
I'm literally asking for clarification. I've only gotten answers that were not related to the question, but instead of of listening you guys just ganged up on me and just keep shitting on me saying "it's been answered! You don't use Ambush!" when that isn't what I was asking about. So it's hard to let it go when I'm trying to understand something and just get yelled at by the drrudyes of society leeching more from it than contributing. Apologies for getting frustrated due to not wantting to be treated like shit by the type of people that owe their existence to food stamps not being able to pay for abortions.
tired gull
not reading that fucking novel
tired gull
blocked before i got to last line
severe sparrow
I'm too lazy to learn kir cuz i was always a ho enjoyer, so that's helping keep me here
marble hemlock
!mute @coral agate 24h Rethink the way you talk to people, frustration is no excuse for being toxic.
cobalt sphinx
I am actually a pretty big contributor to society for your information
marble hemlock
And for everybody else: Drop it.
subtle tundra
damn he really had to type that last sentence
haughty flicker
subtle tundra
i could never
whole sand
so guys, bis lists am i right?
subtle tundra
why did i get 7 day mute and this guy 24h
vivid crown
he
subtle tundra
meow.......
spice spire
why did i get 7 day mute and this guy 24h
You have baggage
vivid crown
's better looking and makes more money
tired gull
why did i get 7 day mute and this guy 24h
favoritism clearly
spice spire
(You’re hot)
fallow canopy
so guys, bis lists am i right?
stat weights are cool no?
marble hemlock
why did i get 7 day mute and this guy 24h
want another 7?
spice spire
No really let’s drop it please
somber nimbus
People get so caught up in how a spec will perform, but unless you're competing for a world-first, the differences between specs don’t really matter. It ultimately comes down to the skill of the player
subtle tundra
want another 7?
i did nothing wrong now wtf
spice spire
You could have at any point
grim jay
You could have at any point
no he was still typing and I felt a big one coming
marble hemlock
People get so caught up in how a spec will perform, but unless you're competing ...
Well, the problem is that theres quite a few inexperienced or bad raidleaders that end up looking at compilation spreadsheets or other stupid comparisons to make decisions on who is brought for progression etc.
marble hemlock
i did nothing wrong now wtf
it was just a question, chill
spice spire
no he was still typing and I felt a big one coming
Yeah I just had a large load myself
subtle tundra
it was just a question, chill
im playing tarkov rn im anything BUT chill
drifting cloud
grim jay
Yeah I just had a large load myself
was it satisfying tho?
fallow canopy
Yeah I just had a large load myself
we are talking about laundry right? 
haughty flicker
yes
vivid crown
Yeah I just had a large load myself
ever make your pants fit better? I think i'm a notch smaller on my belt after this morning
grim jay
we are talking about laundry right? <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
no hes talking about his young ones
fallow canopy
do we have HR here?
somber nimbus
Well, the problem is that theres quite a few inexperienced or bad raidleaders th...
i mean even if youre in the top 50 US, spec doesnt matter
marble hemlock
ever make your pants fit better? I think i'm a notch smaller on my belt after th...
eat more
vivid crown
i'm good bro, thistle tea is autocast now, i don't need to eat
marble hemlock
i mean even if youre in the top 50 US, spec doesnt matter
Technically true, but so much is based on perception and people not acting based on whats sensible, but on what they think is right (even though it is often wrong)
somber nimbus
i remember niche fights like blackhand where you needed 3-4 rogues
but thats it
back when i was in a top 50 US guild
marble hemlock
Raidleaders often make bad decisions
blazing jewel
Idk who took over
Stealthi 