assassination

[tight schooner]

Does anyone have Whispyr's afenar edit ?

[normal mist]

!wa

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[normal mist]

@tight schooner above

[tight schooner]

Ty!

[woven shore]

nah bro

thats fucked up

blizzard has to nerf the price

[normal mist]

Its not up to blizzard to do that

[woven shore]

that was a joke

however thats fucked up 80k gold

for a fking entchant

[final star]

it'll nuke in price next week

once raid releases

[normal mist]

The recipe itself "only" drops from the raid

thats why the prices are huge

[woven shore]

so how do people craft it ?

[worldly sail]

buying an rng recipe bag for 600 acuity

[woven shore]

lol

[worldly sail]

or well, not even an rng recipe bag. rng bag

[final star]

now they can't guarantee 5* craft gear next week 🙂

[woven shore]

you guys dont think anyone would buy that for 2mil gold RIGHT?

[final star]

so they probably fucked themselves outta way more gold

[worldly sail]

if they are doing this they probably have more than one enchanter

and what gear does enchanter even craft

a wand

[spice surge]

But the gamba

[grim jay]

I mean

we were at 60k with sophic aswell

at some point

in df s1

iirc

[spice surge]

R3 pots are likely to stay incredibly expensive too

[woven shore]

[grim jay]

they are also kinda tough to craft. will require some weeks of speccing into potions to safecraft them at r3

[woven shore]

good there are rank1s

more than enough

world firsts can buy these shit prices

[spice surge]

Its like 50 more knowledge

So ye a bit left

But even then, its only r3 with all r3 mats

So its still prob gonna be 300+ per

[grim jay]

only 50? ive read somewhere that you kinda gotta max out the ingredient talents to guarantee r3 without anything but materials

[spice surge]

Yes

[final star]

you need to max out a lot in potions and the potion crafting one

[spice surge]

Not 50 total, 50 more from now

[final star]

I have this in LW rn

so I can guarantee craft legs and hands at r5 mythic crest

with all 3* mats

[grim jay]

that would be like 100 more for me and I didnt spec into anything else, but I also didnt go hard on professions

[final star]

potions require loads

[spice surge]

Ye i need 53

[grim jay]

225 in total

[spice surge]

And thats with 3 recipes left

(2 honor ones and cauldron not crafted)

[final star]

for potions you need alchemical mastery and the potent potions, right?

[spice surge]

Ye

[final star]

💀

[spice surge]

And every flower in the recipe maxed

[final star]

55 + 50 + 40

I've got something like

[spice surge]

There 3 flowers in the tempered pot recipe

[final star]

I have something like

110 knowledge gained so far

and I have not slacked at all

LW probably slower rate cos treasure ones gave +1 skill

and weekly treatise is +1

[spice surge]

Ye from what ive heard lw just doesnt get much

[final star]

it gets enough to get what you need so it's fine

[royal lantern]

cant level blacksmith cus every single npc order wants me to craft epic pieces that i dont know cus you need more knowledge for that

or cost 80k+ a piece

[whole sand]

Professions have legit given me anxiety this expansion

I have no idea if I'm missing shit

So I just pick some little herbs and mine some little ores for gold

[worldly sail]

i don't stress about it, because no matter how hard you go, some guy will exploit X or Y to get stuff faster than you

[whole sand]

True

[worldly sail]

didn't bother with the acuity profession shuffle either, that stuff is cringe

[whole sand]

Like those psychos buying the enchanting bags

[deep wave]

same, the skill trees are ridiculous and ive no clue if im missing 1 million gold/hour or if ill even be able to be properly geared without them

all guides recommend item crafting in some form

[sturdy adder]

What are these goofy ass crimson tempest changes that was posted on wowhead datamined class tuning 2 days ago

[royal lantern]

the problem is

profs where a bit overly complicated for most guys in DF

and instead of acting on it, they mae it even MORE complicated and expensive lol

such a backwards desicion

[deep wave]

like even if i want to get to understand them, there is a constant feeling of dread early in the xpac that any gold investment choice can turn into being wortless

i think with this new system, we'd kinda need 1 or 2 more profession slots at the very least

[royal lantern]

ye

[deep wave]

side topic, why is half my group leaving the dungeons after ara kara first boss

i dont see a mount in the loot table

[balmy condor]

Fixing the tooltip number cause the ct tooltip has been reporting higher than intended numbers since like cataclysm

[balmy condor]

Trinket

[deep wave]

is it good for us too?

[balmy condor]

Farming the sac

[deep wave]

pause

[balmy condor]

Ye

[deep wave]

i gave it to a mage

[royal mango]

thank you. got a lil stack going for now to get me through the next week or two. much love

[deep wave]

because i dont like haste

[whole sand]

Gotta get that bag

[deep wave]

in retrospection, probably should just keep everything i get

[royal lantern]

bro

its heroic gear

people chasing that are legit brain damaged to some degree

[lost dawn]

[whole sand]

Everyone's just bored af and are looking for something to chase

[royal lantern]

chase some grass then

[whole sand]

Woooah

[deep wave]

its nice there's nothing to do for me honestly

i get to focus on levelling some alts

[lament stump]

fr

[final star]

me either and I got all 3 of my profession tools crafted without needing to

I been doing achievements

I got beledar mount last night too

[cedar hare]

Does assa or Outlaw have the higest simed DPS in ST?

[royal lantern]

assa has 1 of the lowest

and sim dps is a meme

[cedar hare]

So assa is trash at ST atm?

[final star]

tell that to the Liquid Maximum Tier List™️

[royal lantern]

did you read the 2nd sentence i wrote

lol

[deep wave]

its just not the best ST spec i think

but like overall considering all classes

seems like a top 10er

[earnest remnant]

[deep wave]

(sim only opinion)

[main plover]

what the verdict on bubbling wax? slightly behind others?

[balmy condor]

Okay but what if I sim fatebound until I highroll, take the rng seed from that iteration, and then use that rng seed for my sims to guarantee poggers high roll every iteration, ever think about that?

[final star]

What is the best rogue spec on a 04.16 boss fight with add spawns as 00.42, 01.13 and 03.16

thanks

[royal lantern]

slightly worse then whetstone/the haste crit mana oil

[balmy condor]

Mage

[royal lantern]

but its free

and consumables in general are hella weak

so its w/e

[final star]

[royal lantern]

use wax and be happy to save some gold

[royal lantern]

all the time bby

[main plover]

fair, thanks :D

[whole sand]

Gambler sim

[balmy condor]

What’s the best spec according to 3 target 7 minute hectic add cleave

[earnest remnant]

with pi no raid buffs

[whole sand]

Ret

[balmy condor]

In preseason bis as well pls

[royal lantern]

but with aug buffs ofc

[whole sand]

Crit/mast focus

[thick shell]

Guys for fatebound
Do you bind cold blood to something or have it on a seperate keybind

[balmy condor]

Should have it separate to avoid deathmark edge case nonsense

[royal lantern]

or can make a envenom+CB macro and a seperate normal envenom

[thick shell]

ok because on your video cb doesn't get mentioned

[balmy condor]

Yeah for good reason, they’ve changed it twice since then

[thick shell]

xD

[balmy condor]

Omission by design

[whole sand]

What's the edge case meme

[balmy condor]

Inevitability takes priority over edge case

So if you cold blood -> deathmark

You’re fucked

[thick shell]

Why can't i see CB on your bars in the vid whispyr ?

[whole sand]

Ahh

[balmy condor]

I have it macro’d to envenom, and then have a separate envenom I press to avoid cold blood

[thick shell]

djesus xD

[hot fulcrum]

you will find it with env icon named cbenv)

[balmy condor]

also if you ignore this and just blast cb on cooldown

It’s -2.5%

Cause you completely cuck your entire opener

It’s great stuff

[thick shell]

man it'll take a good amount of time to learn this class 😄 but thanks for the video atleast my aoe is getting somewhere ^^

[abstract needle]

Mind sharing your macros aswell?

[royal lantern]

there are literally 2 lol

[final star]

/cast cold blood
/cast envenom

[royal lantern]

deathmark+ use 14

and coldblood+envenom

[hot fulcrum]

/cast Cold Blood
/cast Envenom

[balmy condor]

Damn

They know all my secrets

[final star]

I'm the full package

[royal lantern]

forgot #showtooltip Envenom

bozo

[hot pasture]

nice movesa

[final star]

I don't see my bars so doesn't matter

bozo

[abstract needle]

What more macros i should use?

[royal lantern]

holy shit he is blind

[whole sand]

You're all unhinged for not running showtooltip

[balmy condor]

What about
#showtooltip deathmark
/use tempered potion
/cast blood fury
/use 13
/cast deathmark

That’s the gigachad

[final star]

Handsome, intelligent and humble. I have it all.

[whole sand]

Orc it up

[balmy condor]

If only you weren’t a bean on toast

[tawny umbra]

hey fellow assassins sorry for hopping mid conversation 😄 is the emblaishments we gonna craft are certain for now?

what we gonna craft

[balmy condor]

Pins

[final star]

that's an unavoidable debuff

I can't help it

Look what I had to overcome

[balmy condor]

Bro lost his spawn rng

[final star]

and yet I remain handsome, intelligent and humble

[royal lantern]

the thing is just

you wanna use a normal envenom before and as first finsiher after deathmark, and only then start using cooldblood

basically, normal envenom->dm->shiv->kingsbane->generate until 5cp->normal envenom->vanish+garrote->generate until 5CP and then use the coold blood Envenom

[final star]

Wait, aren't you German

[royal lantern]

outside of cd windows its just "slam it on cd"

[balmy condor]

[earnest remnant]

wanna see the real gigachad macro?

[balmy condor]

No im ok

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-stressed-study-racoon-stressed-gif-19033566

[hot fulcrum]

Show me, I want to see it

[balmy condor]

No

You don’t

[earnest remnant]

[hot fulcrum]

Sorry

[shut canopy]

I remember someone posting an "oh shit" button they had macrod

[balmy condor]

Cast sequence opener macro

[abstract needle]

Lol

[balmy condor]

Onions wish they could make me cry like stealthi’s macro

[steel parrot]

Any chance assa will be able to mog daggers into other 1h weapons?

[balmy condor]

No

[strange python]

rogue not even good

[earnest remnant]

its great

correct!

[cinder pebble]

Sooo any info about deathstalker being intended? Thought they would fix it if it was a bug

[balmy condor]

Info is that it’s bugged

[final star]

Exsanguinate your Deathmark

infinite damage

[earnest remnant]

im too skilled at making cast sequences

[royal lantern]

we all did that

[balmy condor]

I didn’t

[royal lantern]

what was your excuse for the sudden alt+f4

[balmy condor]

[cinder pebble]

Oh perfect ty

[whole sand]

(Bugs don't always get fixed)

[balmy condor]

(We live in a society)

[sleek moth]

hey boys, will fatebound or deathstalker be stronger for mythic? icy veins seems to switch between those quite often

[earnest remnant]

i dont

[runic hinge]

I would never exsang my dm

[final star]

(water is wet)

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker kinda the go to for everything just off the basis of better defensive and better mobility

And singular focus

[sleek moth]

Thanks man 🙂

[balmy condor]

Regardless of any numbers, deathstalker is just stronger talents

[earnest remnant]

it is not

[balmy condor]

Which is strange

[cinder pebble]

!wa

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[balmy condor]

But ya know

[hot pasture]

what piece assa will craft¿

[final star]

I prpose that water makes things wet so adding water to water makes it more wet

[strange python]

assas rogue just a lamer version of feral druid

[earnest remnant]

something that is unable to be wet, cannot get more "wet"

[balmy condor]

Wrist and then either weapon or belt

[earnest remnant]

did it take you 5 min to do a take 2 funny "haha rogue bad"?

[balmy condor]

Feral Druid is just assa but less interesting and uglier

Nice transmog you fucking stray

[runic hinge]

With worse defensives

[earnest remnant]

shares class with boomkins

[final star]

I could never play feral

the fear of boomkin being better is too high

[strange python]

feral has way better animations and way better n more fun to play

[balmy condor]

Cope

[runic hinge]

You also have snapshotting on multiple talents and pooling for builders and spenders.

[strange python]

its not cope

[earnest remnant]

bite scratch swipe scratch bite

[final star]

yeah? my dad could beat up ur dad

[strange python]

my dads dead bro

[runic hinge]

Also feral animations haven’t changed since wod and they’re bad

[earnest remnant]

Meow meow

[final star]

easy win then

[strange python]

trueeeee

[balmy condor]

If you love cat so much why don’t you just marry it

[ashen pike]

hi sorry to disturb, do rogues want siphoning stiletto? or its just meh

[balmy condor]

Dogshit

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

We actively do not want it

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/bakemonogatari-anime-girl-neko-happy-gif-22442003

[ashen pike]

the dagger or marrying the cat

LOl

[balmy condor]

It is a self-harming dagger that is worse than basically every regular, half reasonable craft

Unusable garbage

[ashen pike]

ah oke... guess im not specking into BS daggers

thanks for the heads up 😄

[balmy condor]

Np

[cedar hare]

Damn the st sim on assa is low. Like rly low

[whole sand]

Oh shit really

[runic hinge]

Remember when it was like that in amidrssill

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/zamn-12-didnt-ask-whendontcarebruh-gif-23866840

Will play it cause fun

And game fun

[runic hinge]

Wow is fun

Imma flip coins despite the flair

[earnest remnant]

its fine, it doesent have to be the best spec in the game, it just has to better than outlaw

[subtle tundra]

yea about that

[cedar hare]

Its worse then outlaw. Sims 150=200k less for me

[earnest remnant]

more funny news at 12

[wintry pagoda]

[west mauve]

Hey, if during m+ i'm not stealth, and i don't have vanish, what do I do as AoE? I assume garrote/rupture is out of the question

[runic hinge]

Yeah but then you have to play outlaw

[earnest remnant]

outlaw was also simming higher last season

where were the bozos?

[whole sand]

What else you planning on doing

[runic hinge]

Hey have you heard of manual multi dotting?

[subtle tundra]

fym out of the question, bleeds are literally the most important thing

[earnest remnant]

and the season before that

and the season before that

[runic hinge]

Triple ping blasted

[west mauve]

so single DoT like 8 mobs? Alright

[whole sand]

[subtle tundra]

imagine reading a guide

[west mauve]

thanks for all the replies

[subtle tundra]

not 8 mobs but aight

[runic hinge]

Do 5 ruptures and garrote on your main target

[pliant falcon]

Hi , anyone has input delay issues on assa? Like to press garrote 4 times to activate once?

[west mauve]

thanks

[whole sand]

Throw in a little CT

[subtle tundra]

these new gen assa players could not imagine playing pre-df assa(best version of the spec)

[whole sand]

A little mutilate

And bam

[subtle tundra]

De other side assa, 30 mob pull 🤤

(do 0 dps)

[pliant falcon]

No im serious , i have crazy input delay on everything i do with 120fps and 39ms

[ripe carbon]

could be an addon

[whole sand]

That sounds like a you thing

[ripe carbon]

disable all addons and check

[pliant falcon]

Disabled every addon updated everything

[ripe carbon]

just input lag?

not lag in general?

[pliant falcon]

Mmm it might be in general , but the ping is fine fps aswell

Might be the server?

[lament stump]

anyway to track packet loss maybe ?

[ripe carbon]

could be something like vsync or something

[pliant falcon]

I have freesync on

[final star]

skill issue

[ripe carbon]

vsync im pretty sure locks ur fps at refresh rate. if ur fps drops below that fps at any time ur game will 'lag'

i think

[pliant falcon]

Ye bra im just trying to get sum help if the forums just close every issue opened on this shit 🫡

[ripe carbon]

like say u run game and at 120fps and it dips to 100 fps it will lag

[zinc frost]

Or having exsanguinate caked into vendetta

[ripe carbon]

try disabling freesync or vertical sync

[pliant falcon]

I have it blocked at 120 and capped at 120 minimum asw

[final star]

120 minimum

is cooked

don't have a minimum fps ever

[ripe carbon]

i dunno wat freesync is tho but try disable vertical sync and having no minimum fps

[pliant falcon]

Aaa ok i will try

danke

It might act up to keep it at 120 when it drops

[ripe carbon]

do u mean 'target fps'?

[pliant falcon]

Yes

[final star]

I just have no restrictions

[ripe carbon]

well just try disable it and freesync and vertical sync

[pliant falcon]

Ok i will

[slate crown]

KPB unleashed. KPB will not be contained

[latent bluff]

anyone using threat plates addon? I want to hiide some dots and dont know how

[final star]

Except when I get threatened with an 8 hour mute

Which has never happened because I am very wholesome

[slate crown]

[stone minnow]

/wa

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[hidden inlet]

any idea what's deathmark? is it the deathstalker's mark?

[final star]

go to your spell book

usually by pressing P

and read the spells

[hidden inlet]

oh wtf isnt it called vandetta

[stuck knoll]

No

[hidden inlet]

my bad lol

[steel ridge]

Vendetta is gone for 2 years now

[paper crane]

wtb vendetta with convergence of fates

paying anything

[slate crown]

can I sell you a deathmark WA that looks like vendetta?

[paper crane]

I will not use a fake

[final star]

Yeah who would change icons of spells that so dumb lol right @earnest remnant

[proud mason]

is going crit/mast on every single 590 crafted piece a trap ?

[rotund oak]

have u tried to sim urself

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-uhmm-yes-huh-uhmmm-gif-23719974

[dark token]

Yes

[final star]

it doesn't matter

equip ilvl

based

[spice surge]

No missive crafting

[slow forge]

do we need thistle tea with this new change

[whole sand]

[spice surge]

Wdym

[proud mason]

can i sim with items i don't have yet ? haven't gone there yet

[rotund oak]

yeah u can

[sleek moth]

can i use ambush and mutilate on the same button as deathstalker? or is this not recommended?

[rotund oak]

just put the name of the item u want and the ilvl

[spice surge]

Theres a window to add items in topgear

[slow forge]

what if we just dont talent into it

[spice surge]

Why would you not

The change doesnt matter

Almost all of the value of it comes from the energy

[proud mason]

would you then put a bit of haste or what ?

[whole sand]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Fatebound will generally want more crit than Deathstalker due to Deal Fate
• Deathstalker prefers more Mastery/Haste due to Darkest Night guaranteeing a crit
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[spice surge]

And its really easy to not proc it when you dont want

[rotund oak]

have u tried simming w/o it?

[slow forge]

im ngl i havent ran a sim since s2 dlands

im vibin

i just dont like the thistle tea auto use

[rotund oak]

yeah man,ask some random dudes that might tell u stuff they dont know

[spice surge]

You can still use it manually

[slow forge]

we dont trust white names in public discords

[final star]

can trust my name

a tier

[slow forge]

atleast Eleem has com fig role

[final star]

says right there

[rotund oak]

i dont trust my mom,my brother,even my dog

[slow forge]

no

[rotund oak]

i just trust the numbers

they dont lie

[slow forge]

the numbers lie

[rotund oak]

they never do

[final star]

Sapzilla got opps holy

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-mason-cod-black-ops-gameplay-gaming-video-game-gif-17671379

[rotund oak]

got chicken with potatoes in the oven

poetry

[earnest remnant]

numbers do lie

you have clearly never seen me do math

[rotund oak]

says the raccoon role model

lol

[proper tapir]

It's also going to depend on how long those targets live for. There is def a case for just bleeding a few big adds then mowing down the smaller adds that don't live long enough with CT and Evenom /CS on the focus target.

[distant plover]

god sin is so fun in dungeons i cant wait for m+

[dim otter]

Is it worth crafting weapon with spark now?

[rotund oak]

no

[rotund oak]

sin is a beautiful specc,always was

[distant plover]

lastp layed it in m+ in legion, way simpler now :p

but i agree

• dots are peak

[rotund oak]

its a satisfying gamestyle that always pays off

its the closest u can have to a reliable spec

[dim otter]

How come it’s not worth crafting a weapon right now

With spark

I see a lot of other classes doing it

[stuck knoll]

Stuff can change any minute

[rotund oak]

because there is no reason to craft one with m+ weeks ahead of us

[stuck knoll]

• if you want to craft with an LFR crest and then recraft later

You can burn money on that but no reason to do it right now

[rotund oak]

Yup,what ronk said is the closest to a craft thats safe to do

[stuck knoll]

just make a 590 with embellish if you want to

[rotund oak]

spark is a waste to use now

[spice surge]

Seeing as most embellishments do not scale with the ilvl of the item we were expecting them to fix that and generally do some tuning

But the time window for that to happen has gotten smaller and smaller

And I dont think it would be popular to change in like 2 weeks after everyone has crafted

So wed expect it to happen like today-tuesday

[obsidian oyster]

they said they will fix and tune classes at end of heroic week, maybe they will adjust it also before mythic week

[spice surge]

Classes are gonna continue to get tuned

[obsidian oyster]

ye

[rotund oak]

So there are two reasons not to.To summarize:
1)Not enough value out of the spark
2)Tuning for embelishments
According to the lovable ppl in the chat

[obsidian oyster]

but we will expect to see tuning before the start of m+

[west mauve]

thank you

[brittle jacinth]

wtf is ret had a 3.5 mil pull too

[proper tapir]

I think crafting bracers with spark is safe, you can go the nerubian lining embellishment for now and then just recraft to Dawn if the weapon embellishments get nerfed.

[robust slate]

!wa

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[forest sphinx]

Hey everyone! is there no assa guide here anymore?:/

[stuck knoll]

Wowhead or Icy veins are both maintained by people from here

[forest sphinx]

ah okay shame would have thought assa also has such a nice guide with videos like Outlaw and sub

[signal kettle]

Deathstalker or Fatebound for raiding?

[robust slate]

wat is the weak aura that has combo points above the plates

[proper tapir]

Deathstalker

[woeful meteor]

whispyr has videos on his yt if you prefer to watch

[forest sphinx]

what do you think is better deathstalker or fatebound for m+

[forest sphinx]

You can send me a Link ? Maybe

[proper tapir]

Also DS by 5 percent

[fervent elbow]

anyone got a weak auro for dots?

[woeful meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdpGDTwuSqRBdXYnMBF1ayg

[forest sphinx]

Thx men!

[proper tapir]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[slate crown]

#assassination message

[tawny junco]

Haste is simming so high

[proper tapir]

It usually does at the start of expansions

[tawny pagoda]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[regal juniper]

Is sin still looking like the best rogue spec for m+ and raid after the PTR changes?

[visual maple]

which item should we crfat first with our Spark of Omen ?

[proper tapir]

Considering who you're asking..... Yeah, totally. We love Sin

[normal mist]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[visual maple]

@normal mist ty

[proper tapir]

We don't know, let's wait for the nerfs to hit next week. To be safe you can craft a 590 ascension dagger and put nerubian on bracers with a spark. If the nerfs hit that hard, then switch bracers to Dawn.

[dusky carbon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[echo condor]

I sim for 20% more dps on Patwerk 4-5 mins ST as outlaw compared to Sin, do you know if subtlety is doing even better ? I want to do a 2nd spec for raid

Sorry for the quote it wasn't intended

[indigo mulch]

The issue with outlaw is that it realies heavily on uptime. The damage profile is super flat so even if you do massive sim numbers the damage profile holds it back in term of "real" dps in a raid.

[echo condor]

true, but the gap is pretty huge, I think it's gonna be high on easy raid bosses

[indigo mulch]

Just play whatever you want to play. You will 100% achieve better numbers that way.

[placid adder]

sims 💀

[signal flame]

I just got the ara sac trinket and it sims lower than my other one's at same ilvl. Wasn't it supposed to be insane?

[spice surge]

Its not insane, its good

But not all trinkets that drop from hc dungeons are available at higher ilvl during the season

So no whistle or buzzer

[signal flame]

yea that's fair

man I've been chasing it for days

feels kinda bummed now

[fallow estuary]

dw mate, it might go beyond your trinkets once your stats and items change

[spice surge]

People definitely overhyping it ye

Most trinkets suck compared to dragonflight

[fallow estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4JLdDEhRwGmuS4Q4ZVHGjm

for example. only buzzer sims higher than the sac for me

[signal flame]

ahh fair fair

[indigo mulch]

Wax whistle is bis bruvh, seeing those carts crashing into mobs is so satisfying 😮

[manic quartz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[spice surge]

Not a big fan of the dungeon its from

[indigo mulch]

We goto get our cool animations from somewhere since Deathstalker did such a good job in providoing us with cool animations.

Hard to compeat with it but hey.

The real 1milion dollar question is if i should bake muffins or not.

[raven egret]

I'll miss my bee for sure

it goes zoom

[indigo mulch]

it does nutty dmg to be fair. 😄

[modest nimbus]

Is assa looking better than sub this tier?

[raven egret]

what does 'better' mean for you

cause generally speaking

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[modest nimbus]

What does better mean to u babe?

[indigo mulch]

fun = better

Playing a spec you don't enjoy for 4hr+ per raid for like 20hrs a week dosen't sound like enjoyment to me.

[modest nimbus]

I wanna play what’s meta I like all specs

[indigo mulch]

Arcane looks pretty good.

[raven egret]

wrong class then

[warm vortex]

just play whats more fun tbh

[normal mist]

^

[raven egret]

but for rogue read the !best blurb above

fun is paramount either way like everyone else is saying

[warm vortex]

also question
I asusme that the wax oil is super good for assa

just by how it works
love that they did something with pickpocket

[modest nimbus]

I wish I had that luxury

[raven egret]

bubbling wax is not super good, its cheap

[indigo mulch]

^

[normal mist]

^

[warm vortex]

ohhh ok
sorry i just thought it could be good haha

cause of how much assa aplies poison

[indigo mulch]

The prices of whetstones are extreme at the moment.

Whetstones are the best in term of dps, but it will also burn through your money quite quickly lmao

[warm vortex]

i thought they were around 3K

[raven egret]

free = better than 5000g - BUT the performance of weapon buffs are already low, dont feel bad using wax in non progression content

[warm vortex]

is that considered extream

[modest nimbus]

Numbers wise assa better or sub for st

[warm vortex]

im prolly gonna use it in my off hand

[normal mist]

Not paying a butload of gold for a small improvement = better

[raven egret]

do I need to link !best again?

[indigo mulch]

lol

[modest nimbus]

That thing does not answer my question

[warm vortex]

fair fair
I just have a massive horde of gold saved up
back when the DF quests gave like 500G per wq

[raven egret]

Like I get that reading pins is hard, but we litterally gave you the blurb

[normal mist]

define "horde of gold"

[warm vortex]

600K

[proper tapir]

Idk, I'm one trick Sin. We aren't in the best spot ST but we're still viable. Maybe see which style you like better, you gotta be able to get to play well to get the best mileage out of each spec.

[modest nimbus]

Viable doesn’t mean better u donkey

[warm vortex]

idk if people consider that a lot but i did

[indigo mulch]

I'm at 4.2mil and i'm still unwilling to use consumables that costs me 9k per application unless its mythic progression.

:X

[normal mist]

I'm a lucky guy today and sold 1 weapon enchant for 600k

xD

[split herald]

hi guys, i have question about echoing and deathstalkers mark. is this working properly right now or its somehow buged little bit?

[floral solstice]

As Assa in M+, playing 1 little shiv spec, when exactly do we use tea ? I try to use right after Kingsbane, then 6 sec later when I shiv.

[warm vortex]

jesus
but yea it still feels like i have a super high sum of gold now

[normal mist]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[indigo mulch]

😄

[normal mist]

@split herald read above

[split herald]

okay ty

[raven egret]

Good job

[warm vortex]

lol all three rogue specs being bugged

[indigo mulch]

I mean i'm pretty sure all classes and specs still have bugs in them.

[warm vortex]

thats true yea

[indigo mulch]

I don't even dare to look at the WW bug list. Its famously always been extremly long lmao

[normal mist]

Tea is now used to fill up energy during shiv windows, for max amount of envenom casts, aka you use it if you gain 100 energy when shivs are active

[spice surge]

Same as youd do either way. During shiv if you need the energy

[floral solstice]

I feel like with 3 charge of tea and only one shiv, shouldn't we use more than 1 tea per kingsbane ?

[warm vortex]

also random question
How fun would you guys say Assa is atm

[west mauve]

any idea how to remove this swirly black/red effect from a plater target bar?

[normal mist]

In AoE is pretty fun

[tired gull]

I find it very fun

[normal mist]

In ST its ... It's a nice way to relax after a long day of work

[warm vortex]

ah fair
i remember playing it in SL and DF

not really finding it too enjoyable but i was prolly playing it wrong

[timber basalt]

I mean it's same as ever, if you like bleed/dot playstyle it's fun, otherwise no

[indigo mulch]

I honestly feel like its a bit meh in ST. In m+ its super fun though

[tired gull]

I’ve enjoyed sin since wrath I think

[normal mist]

(same)

[indigo mulch]

But monkey brain is also like "oh i see big number = more fun"

so yeh

[warm vortex]

ah fair
was thinking of trying it again but idk
from what ive heard it seems like you have to track a lot

[normal mist]

I wish i had a brain that was willing to learn SUB

[timber basalt]

But the numbers are good if that's what you find fun

[normal mist]

To this day i think SUB is for chad players only

[indigo mulch]

nether portal warlock backa in the days were chad players :C

[warm vortex]

IMO
the hardest part of it is just learning the opener
it's very button bloated

like i have a macro with 4 CDs on

[normal mist]

Last time i played sub was DF S1 and S2 before rework

[native escarp]

so overall, is sub or assa going to be the play in raid

[normal mist]

Raid isnt out yet

[worldly sail]

hard to say

[native escarp]

having lots of fun with sub rn

[normal mist]

Fun = winning

[worldly sail]

i think sub is basically always a safe choice for raid

[native escarp]

forcing myself to play no shadowdust tho

[normal mist]

Wont be a thing in 2 months either way

[warm vortex]

when i was first doing trickster (like day one) i didn't like it a lot
because it went against muscle memory

[native escarp]

yea

[spice surge]

Budget assa pov

[native escarp]

thats why im playing without it hahah

dnt wanna get use to it again

[warm vortex]

i never got used to it lol
so idk how its gonna go first few raid days

[indigo mulch]

I did sub for tindral and smolderon.

[native escarp]

but vanish usage seems so weird with brew build like, u just use it with opener

or what

[indigo mulch]

Never again 😦

[native escarp]

then forget about it til its off cd again

lmao

[spice surge]

It doesnt do anything

[native escarp]

yea its legit just for another SS

in opener

[spice surge]

So you can just not use it if you want

[native escarp]

[subtle tundra]

If you go around spending thinking you have plenty of gold you will soon realize it's not that much

[native escarp]

brain hurts trying to min max coup tho

[warm vortex]

i ain't

[remote vector]

Do you guys consistently get to 1000% on your KB?

[warm vortex]

im trying to presure as much as i can

[native escarp]

couldn't say i track it

on bosses my kingsbane usually is around 5m + tho

so perhaps

[warm vortex]

but yea
just to ask
How hard is assa in aoe
is it like, constant tracking and brain usage

[spice surge]

Not something you should really track or care about

[native escarp]

assa aoe is not bad

honestly

unless u dont get restealth

then u just leave party

[grim jay]

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[native escarp]

ye but it feels like shit

aka last point

[grim jay]

it feels like a dot spec

[native escarp]

you would have to wait until decent keys tho @warm vortex

[warm vortex]

yea

[native escarp]

i would not judge how assa aoe feels in heroic bc it doesnt exist really

[warm vortex]

ofc

[native escarp]

until you actually get packs where you need to re-dot then you can figure it out

[warm vortex]

some specs just can't do things atm in heroic pulls

yea

[native escarp]

have you watched Whispyrs video?

[grim jay]

you still get like 1-2m on pulls

its fine

[novel storm]

Is holding 1.5m dps on 5 dummies for 5 min good with this preseason gear?

[warm vortex]

nah

[native escarp]

you should watch it, its very explanatory

[warm vortex]

ive barely looked at assa

[final juniper]

when mages go invisable would fan of knives find them ?
or do i need to hold smoke bomb and a vanish so i can do my open?

[native escarp]

well if you want to get into it, and have good info i'd suggest to start there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_if0HnJ1gE

[grim jay]

#pvp

[final juniper]

thanks i asked there

[warm vortex]

like i main sub
If i wanna for a dungeon or two i switch to outlaw (and then get mad at the bugs it has)
and havent touched assa since like DF s1

[native escarp]

Whispyr also writes the wowhead guide and there is a full explanation of assa AoE on there as well

[warm vortex]

fair

[native escarp]

cause like, nitty gritty wise it is quite unique how assa deals AoE but, it does feel very smooth when you get into it

[final juniper]

just figured spec discussion would make sense to ask the one who know exactly the spec makes sense not just general pvp

[native escarp]

i learnt assa from 0 knowledge in about 2 days and was very comfortable with the rotation already if that's anything to stand on

[warm vortex]

imma check its stats rq (like best ones)

[final juniper]

good hel thank you tho

[warm vortex]

also i nearly just missed the crystal thing transforming

[native escarp]

its crit/mastery

rn all stats are good tho so sim

[warm vortex]

ah ok fair

sub is just stacking vers/mast

[native escarp]

yea

[warm vortex]

so i guess i could decently off spec it maybe

[native escarp]

you would probably be fine with that too

its not that hard to spec sub/assa

its only when u want to play outlaw

bc u need haste

and obv a sword etc in mainhand

[warm vortex]

yea

random question can assa off hand one handers

just curious

[grim jay]

we dont have anything specific for pvp, its just that one channel and only pve stuff in the others

[native escarp]

nah

u need 2 daggers

to mutilate

[warm vortex]

ah fair

you can off hand as sub but you shoulden't
unless the effect is like
Mind numbingly broken

and even then its debatabke because of shadow tech

[twin spoke]

my haste higher then my crit still sims more haste

[indigo mulch]

Since you get free crits from Deathstalker i would assume you would want more haste than you want crit.

[twin spoke]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[visual maple]

!enchant

[indigo mulch]

I mean crit loses a bit of value since you get those free crits.

[twin spoke]

hmm

okay

[indigo mulch]

Crit is not bad though ;s

[twin spoke]

like i sim with more crit then i sims with more haste the haste one was simming more but idk how trustful simming is

[somber nimbus]

any reason why this ex afenar WA set doesn't track deathstalker's mark?

is it because if you're doing your rotation right, you shouldn't have to worry about it?

[grim jay]

it tracks that its not on the target

and the plater tracks the actual mark for many

[visual maple]

what is the best weapon enchant for assa rogues?

[grim jay]

radiant

[visual maple]

authority of the depths cant be found in AH

[visual maple]

ty

[grim jay]

radiant

I wiffed

[visual maple]

ok 😄

[grim jay]

thats slightly better but drops in the raid

and only better for ST

[still steeple]

no hotfix for reprimand and deathstalker

[tall pelican]

What’s everyone current Item level ?

[devout fiber]

Guys what are we using our spark for? If we focus on Mythic?

[tall pelican]

!spark

[robust slate]

!spark

[acoustic roost]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[robust slate]

is the dagger and patch still overtuned i didnt see if it was nerfed

because everything just says 2 dawnthread or am i missing something

[hidden herald]

Is it worth farming an on use trinket above and beyond a 580 PvP badge?

For first raid week I mean

Guess I should aim

Sim

[forest sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[forest sphinx]

How i can use this ? https://wago.io/UKbwxFng1 he say is not a WA

[novel star]

well it’s a plater profile

you use it on plater

[twilit lagoon]

It's not for WA, it's for Plater, a separate addon

[novel star]

^

[forest sphinx]

ahh so i can download plater on curse?

[slim sable]

ye

[novel star]

wago just supports sharing plater profiles

[novel star]

ya

[forest sphinx]

thx guys !!!

[novel star]

[forest sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[forest sphinx]

Which one is the best plater ?:D

[twilit lagoon]

That's honestly personal preference.

[novel star]

yea pref for sure

[distant plover]

gotta check for yourself+tweak some options

only way

[twilit lagoon]

I think Whispyr's is a fork of Quazii's?

[forest sphinx]

okay okay

[novel star]

i use one that’s not even listed there but i copied some scripts from whispyrs

whispyr has quazii health colours n stuff yea

[twilit lagoon]

Yeah, I find that extremely useful

So I prefer Whispyr's

[novel star]

[acoustic roost]

read the title of the pin

[limpid quest]

word! tx

[normal mist]

Also we still use it the same way as before

[clever perch]

So do u think ppl will switch to subt or outlaw in raid?

hc/mm wise?

[novel star]

who knows

we don’t have numbers really

except beta numbers and sims which are both bad

[clever perch]

u have an idea of the boss encounters tho

[distant plover]

i can already see it in my guild

[high marsh]

Hey ROgue friends

I have a question

[distant plover]

even though outlaw sims 200k higher its less dmg in reality because of uptime and difficulty

lmao

compared to sin

[high marsh]

Anyone else simming get these 2 trinkets no matter what?

[novel star]

serum

[high marsh]

outlaw, sin, M+, Raid

[novel star]

god

[high marsh]

it doesnt matter

that trinket is in every list

is it good?

[novel star]

i mean it’s a 1.5s cast so it’s a pain in the ass to use

[clever sapphire]

you guys are simming?

[steel parrot]

Can assa transmog daggers into sword yet?

[novel star]

no

but wdym yet that’d look goofy

[clever perch]

where do u loot it? World Quest?

[novel star]

multilate animation with huge ass swords

aintnoway

[scenic nacelle]

I heckin love channeling trinkets!!!!

[novel star]

AAAAAAAAA

[mortal badger]

serum is cool tho

[novel star]

[slate crown]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mortal badger]

I like the transformation

[novel star]

it’s cool thematically i guess but it’s fucking annoying in the rotation

[clever perch]

im scared guys that gm forces me to switch to subt, tell me good things about assa being the way to go cmon

fear my nightmares

[novel star]

what rank is ur guild

[manic quartz]

@white lance Why does fatebound coin icons change position a alittle when i use envenom, they slightly move up for the duration of envenom and when envenom drops they go back down

[novel star]

for the gm to force you to switch spec before heroic is even out

wtf

[tired gull]

It’s only 1.5 seconds out of every 2 minutes, it’s not ideal but it’s still a strong trink

[subtle tundra]

To add a minigame to fate bound cause it's so boring

[novel star]

well ye it’s not about damage loss just annoying to hard cast it before burst

[tired gull]

True

[novel star]

so clunky

[tired gull]

I wish it were a channel that you could still press other buttons

[novel star]

u have to like build 5 cp then cast it at 2.5s dm cd or something

so gross

(i regret posting this emote)

[grim jay]

its irrelevant because it aint much better than signet in ST, is worse in dungeons and is a WQ trinket

[tired gull]

If it’s what you have, it’s what you have

[proper tapir]

Bro don't be a dick. When you call people "donkey" new players see it and it turns them off to asking questions when they need help. We've always been a friendly and supportive community.

[grim jay]

you can freely farm priory

[tired gull]

Or, not waste the time in heroic when m0 is in 2 days

[novel star]

yeah true

any shit trinket will replace 580 priory trink

[grim jay]

you couldve freely farmed priory for ages*

[novel star]

[novel star]

but for what

[acoustic roost]

content cause there was nothing to do for 2 weeks 🙂

[grim jay]

for playing the game

[novel star]

2 days of pressing it in m0

[fallow estuary]

weird, i thought authrotiy of depths drops from raid only ?

[grim jay]

by that logic you couldve bought AH greens and called it a day

[novel star]

well no not really

[tired gull]

You can spend acuity to buy random chants and stuff I think

[clever sapphire]

i just didnt log on, problem solved

[novel star]

getting dungeon gear made sense because it’s fast and free ilvls

but grinding for bis is a waste of time

[fallow estuary]

i see, was wondering because it started showing up in auction house

[wheat tiger]

Does Dawnthread stacK?

[tired gull]

I just ran some ransoms, got some pieces, then target some specific ones for pieces I didn’t have yet and done with heroics

[wheat tiger]

I have it on 2 item sand the buff doesnt look to show doubled

[novel star]

drop below hp threshold and heal

it’ll fix

[grim jay]

its not grinding for BiS, its grinding for decent items and it aint really a grind either way

[wheat tiger]

excellent

[novel star]

they do stack

[grim jay]

its a few runs of like 8 mins each

[fallow estuary]

Sounds like a cheap fit for my 590 weapon, dont you guys think?

[normal mist]

It cost me 59k

and i sold it for 600k

[wheat tiger]

I got mine for 30k

[normal mist]

xDDD

[novel star]

idk how they’re even on the ah

[marble hemlock]

acuity bags

[novel star]

ah

[marble hemlock]

can buy bags for 600 acuity

[clever sapphire]

i was about to ask why you would do something so dumb

[marble hemlock]

and they can have recipes in them

including raid-only drops

[novel star]

i see

[normal mist]

i was honestly not expecting to sell it

but 550k profit is pretty good

almost 2 tokens

[novel star]

how much are tokens on eu tf

[clever sapphire]

550k profit is close to my current wealth

[marble hemlock]

so people spam those on alts to fish for recipes, since you get 350 acuity for free, get enchanting, get 250 acuity from masks+craft orders, rinse repeat

[normal mist]

280-300k

[novel star]

na one is like 199k rn

[worldly sail]

~285k atm

[marble hemlock]

EU is typically ~50% more expensive

[tired gull]

Do we have anticipated builds we’ll be running per boss in raid

[novel star]

unluckers

[marble hemlock]

everythings 50% more expensive than on NA pmuch

[worldly sail]

that also means 50% more profit

[normal mist]

yeah

[tired gull]

Near cleft

[novel star]

around darkflame

[clever sapphire]

i think you will just run the wowhead raid build and swap to spatter if you have to cleave

[normal mist]

this is one of the spots

[worldly sail]

yoinked from sub channel pin

[novel star]

you can also run the first room of darkflame really fast 10x then u get too many instances lockout

but outside darkflame is good 2

get like 60 or whatever and never think about it again

60 is overkill actually lol

damage is kinda balls

[tired gull]

For boss fights like bloodhound horror, will we just consume dsm to get dn to put on a prio add when you’re in the other phase?

[novel star]

simply respec fatebound for that boss

take the <2% dps loss

[tired gull]

I feel there could be a couple bosses where we’ll go fb

[novel star]

for a gain in practice because u don’t have to do that cancer minigame

[novel star]

yeah like all of em

[tired gull]

lol

[novel star]

fraudstalker

[grim jay]

maybe, depends on how well you can manage

I hope it just fits and I dont have to spec to copper clown

[novel star]

deathshitters coping

[grim jay]

I'd rather choke to death on copium than copper clowning my way through

[novel star]

frankly the coins look pretty golden to me

[upper wraith]

im a deathshitter myself

[tired gull]

thoughts on silken court if you have shitter tanks that won't stack them.... going FB for double step to keep bleeds up on away target

[novel star]

might change texture if ur broke idk

[grim jay]

if you lace shit with gold

its still shit

[forest nacelle]

deathstalker is "fine"

[worldly sail]

they should make every fatebound coin flip cost 100g

[tired gull]

every coin flip should give you gold

[grim jay]

they should just delete the coinflipping stuff

[novel star]

the rng feels fake anyway

def pseudorng hella

shit is way too close to 50/50 every time even in short pulls

but yeah

[slate crown]

Well, technically all rng in computers is pseudorng to a degree

[novel star]

idk id rather flip coins than play the dn minigame

[cerulean maple]

Any big changes worth knowing between df and now? havent played in a while

[tired gull]

i just really enjoy my FAT envenoms with dn

[novel star]

not really

[forest nacelle]

same

[grim jay]

same, also pretty irrelevant minigame, even less of a bother than ER, which already is miniscule

[novel star]

i mean if u last played pre 10.2 there’s some kinda big differences especially in aoe

[cerulean maple]

i last played uhhhh
let me find the patch

[novel star]

but tww didn’t change too much i think

[novel star]

lost shadow dance which like

based

fuck that shit

keep it on the weeb spec

[tired gull]

anyone have a shadowstep mouseover or target macro that works

[tawny pawn]

well philosophically speaking nothing is rng at all.

[cerulean maple]

oh wtf based

[novel star]

ya

[cerulean maple]

i last played in june so not that long agfo

[novel star]

echoing reprimand cold blood and tea are all still there and used which fucking sucks

but whatever

[tight wedge]

I've been playing outlaw and i've also been playing sin and its kind of hard for me to grasp which one is really actually better

[cerulean maple]

ive always felt that it's just preference

assa is more fun for me

always has been

[novel star]

we don’t know which is better really until real data comes out

[tight wedge]

Ive been putting a couple of hours but maybe i'm just way better at outlaw

[slate crown]

I have to save this god damn image

[tight wedge]

I've just heard ass was better but I cant see it

[cerulean maple]

are you mostly doing ST or aoe?

[dark token]

not true i get my rng from atoms decaying off of uranium

[tight wedge]

Both tbh

[novel star]

outlaw and sin are just not the same class

[slate crown]

aohhhhh it's a spooky ghost ahooo

[cerulean maple]

imo assa aoe is way harder than outlaw to optimize

[slate crown]

Based

[tight wedge]

Yeah pmuch

[novel star]

ya

[tight wedge]

Wym not in the same class @cerulean maple

[novel star]

i mean outlaw aoe is just single target with flurry isn’t it

[cerulean maple]

literally

[dark token]

no u press flurry as a builder

[tight wedge]

Also hard to tell just how good ass is in heroics

bc bleed timers

[cerulean maple]

stuff dying too fast def. makes the rampup classes feel bad

[rotund oak]

thats not alot diff though

[tight wedge]

Ye you right there for sure

[novel star]

like outlaw may as well not have energy but sins entire st rotation is based around energy efficiency

[rotund oak]

just some cps from pressing it

[novel star]

outlaw just mashes shit

and it’s fun

but like

[dark token]

sure but they said literally the same

[novel star]

u play at 2-3x the apm of sin in st LOL

[rotund oak]

yeah its not,u are right

[rotund oak]

not even in x2,more like 1.4-1.5

[raven egret]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[cerulean maple]

unironically i feel like outlaw has to press buttons faster but with a lot less purpose, at least based on me trying boht extensively in df mythics

[novel star]

eh idk

there’s a lot of procs to react to

but yea

kinda just shiny buttons i suppose

[cerulean maple]

outlaw feels more like enh than anything

[rotund oak]

outlaw is alot about adaptivity man

[cerulean maple]

to me

[rotund oak]

u see buffs and procs u react and adapt

[desert cove]

It’s a matter of reacting to procs, and being able to have a high enough apm to actually execute

[rotund oak]

at a high pace

[cerulean maple]

maybe that just comes more naturally to me than planning ahead like for assa

idk

[novel star]

i like both specs after outlaw got reworked to not be cringe (shadowlands rtb)

[rotund oak]

assa doesnt rly plan ahead,Sub does

[cerulean maple]

oh yeah i suck at sub lmfao

[rotund oak]

assa is textbook rotation that never fails