assassination

[normal mist]

You could try one of these

[heavy mountain]

Thank you so much

[normal mist]

No problem

[woven shore]

Use the Luxthos weakaura

In my opinion on all classes the best and easiest

Anyway

Rogue buffs 🥰 ER new Symbole waaaaooowwww

With the new symbole we will deal more dmg now

[normal mist]

What buffs did we receive?

A QoL that was barely needed (right now) and a problem

That's all we received

And I'm obviously talking about assassination

[warped moon]

like one week into the game, and councilward merrix unbinds the earthen AND thistle tea

unbelievable

AND slice and dice

[wind dune]

Wouldn't it be a burst increase and good aoe damage too with the new twist the knife.

[oak sparrow]

Hi folks, im new here. I never played shadowlands, im trying to understand what "Echoing Reprimand" does? so enough 5 combo points and will still do as if it were 7?

[normal mist]

Didn't mention the twist the knife change because that's something that needs testing, altought it looks promising

[zenith prairie]

The double stack for envenom

That’s it

[spice surge]

If you are at the blue combo point it counts as 7 CP yep

[strange python]

Turns a random normal combo point into anima charged and does that ^

[spice surge]

And you dont force it to land on a blue

You just play normally and If you end up on one, you finish

[oak sparrow]

thanks for clarifying, have a good day sir 🙂

[normal mist]

No problem

[glossy lagoon]

is it worth it to upgrade ara and signet to 593 or will next weak m0 trinket be better

[spice surge]

M0 starts at 593

[whole sand]

whats the bountiful delve ilvl again?

its like 610 something right?

[glad forum]

That sounds right. Kinda wack making m0 kinda pointless if u got ur delve keys every week

[whole sand]

even if you don't base delve 8s give 603

so you're really in m0 for specific shit

[glad forum]

Yea I’ll prob do some but mainly delve until mythic+ drops

[gritty laurel]

you have to use keys for the 603 gears though, ilvl is capped at 554 for not using keys

[whole sand]

i thought 8s just gave 603

[gritty laurel]

nope

[small mirage]

They still didn't fix stealth dependency? Still at the mercy of tanks for not chainpulling?

[whole sand]

ah okay, that makes more sense

[lean briar]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[gritty laurel]

tbh just play fatebound until harder content drops

[novel star]

chain pulling is good

you get more overall dps because the key is faster

[kindred elm]

id suggest looking at whispyr's m+ vid on youtube, has a whole section on stealth

[small mirage]

And blizzard can design better classes both can be true

[small mirage]

I'll give it a look thx

[raven panther]

I have a question about mastery, it says it increase our bleed and poison damage. But does it increase Envenom damage ?

[novel star]

the point was the design isn’t as “stealth reliant” as it feels

[candid hull]

But muh rupture spread ree

[novel star]

stealth makes you do a lot more damage yeah but you don’t do nothing without it

[raven panther]

it's nor a poison nor a bleed but I see it being in the affected spells on the spell in WoWHead

[strange python]

Less seconds in key = more time in combat = higher dps overall

[novel star]

apply your bleeds manually for <10 seconds and you’re fine lol

[gritty laurel]

biggest reason you want restealth is to reapply marks when you inevitably kill something with the big boi envenom and it doesn't refresh, but that won't be as big a problem in M+ or raid

[novel star]

not having ic isn’t that big of a deal

[candid hull]

I'm fine with both chain pulling and not

[novel star]

and even if it is (it isn’t) then u have vanish to use on cd anyway

[gritty laurel]

yup

[normal mist]

It's fixed

[gritty laurel]

oh is it?

[normal mist]

Yes

[gritty laurel]

nice

[normal mist]

You can now even snipe those 7cp crits

[severe sparrow]

the more annoying part of chain pulling is when the tank loses their stragglers and they start casting on random people but they're way back at the other end of the hallway

[normal mist]

On dying targets if you wish

[gritty laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-hands-pepe-the-frog-smile-happy-clap-gif-17745411

[novel star]

sometimes LoSing the casters becomes your job

get around that corner bucko

[fathom cove]

how? I hate if I cant stealth between packs

[severe sparrow]

well tell that to the pugs ive been trying to heal on my alt

[novel star]

lmao

[fair coyote]

i agree with them sounds like healer problem

[novel star]

it feels bad but math and sims show it actually isn’t that bad

[small mirage]

Trust me I get where you're coming from, it's not a big deal but it feel bad from gameplay perspective for blizzard it's as easy as making aoe rapture apply from shadowstep not longer cd like vanish.

Other classes have their cake and eat it too, why not rogues?

[fathom cove]

if you multidot 1 by 1?

[cobalt harbor]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[novel star]

yes

but you don’t really multidot that’s kinda fake news

[fathom cove]

Alright, good to know

[novel star]

5 ruptures and maybe a garrote is enough

to have energy to slam env

[normal mist]

In AoE, 1/2 foks are usually enough to 5+ cp

[novel star]

^

then you have sbs combo points

it’s totally fine to not get stealth

you lose some damage but when the tank stops pulling to wait for your stealth, the entire dungeon loses damage

so

get used to it or be slow ig

[fair coyote]

it sucks in low dungeon cause it takes you longer to apply ruptures than for the pack to die

[novel star]

in hc it’s worse yea

but that’s just playing a dot spec

stealth doesn’t really fix it

shit still doesn’t live cds or full bleed durations

[small mirage]

Or we complain like warlocks and boomies and get actual good QoL I don't want tanks waiting for my stealth either, just make something else trigger aoe dots

[candid hull]

I mean I just do garrote to all, one rupture with the buff and crimson tempest

Does giga damage

In HC dungeon

No need to overcomplicate it

[normal mist]

But scent stacks?

[fair coyote]

i am gonna tell you a secret: those classes get qol and more attention cause they have a larger player base

[normal mist]

:C

[novel star]

or apply them manually which really doesn’t take that long and you’re fine

[candid hull]

Everything just dies anyway 😦

[normal mist]

Fair is fair

[small mirage]

It's an egg and chicken situation, maybe if rogues gets proper QoL they'll have a larger playerbase

[novel star]

doomer ass chat

[fair coyote]

i don't get the egg and chicken controversy, of course egg came first

[haughty flicker]

[candid hull]

I feel rogues have a large playerbase but my only comparison was the feral chat

[small mirage]

That's clearly the point

[candid hull]

[empty ruin]

(do i even ask about the datamined changes)

[candid hull]

Pinned

[normal mist]

Sure but they are on the pins

[novel star]

!stealth

brah

!restealth

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• Garrote is roughly 10-12% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon
• While Without a Trace can allow for better vanish timings, the difference in damage provided is at most replacing a non-stealth opener with a stealth opener (you aren't necessarily getting "added" casts, just "better" casts)
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[fair coyote]

yeah we werre talking about not restealthing, with stealth you blast even with dots

[novel star]

idk why i even bothered talking about it when this command is here

[candid hull]

It feels a bit icky but still pumps

[novel star]

should’ve sent it and stopped it there

[candid hull]

But how else are you gonna spend your time

[novel star]

sleeping

my schedule is fucked

bad

[candid hull]

Instead of that, why don't you talk about thistle tea and casuals

[novel star]

remove tea

better solution

[empty ruin]

i don't see any mention of tempest so i guess that is unchanged? i prob misinterpreted the datamine info

[severe sparrow]

dont rogues have like the smallest or 2nd smallest playerbase last we had the data?

oh scrolt

rip

[candid hull]

Ya it was smth like that

[novel star]

2nd

evoker is lowest

[candid hull]

Paladins 1st place

[novel star]

then rogue then monk or something

[severe sparrow]

yeah rogue and monk next to each other

figures both classes i play

[candid hull]

I wish we could see it spec wise

[fair coyote]

spec is kinda fluid, people play multiple specs

[austere nymph]

i mean youll be able to see representative samples once raid comes out thru wcl

its not comprehensive data but it paints a picture

[fair coyote]

raid buffs kinda distort the data but yeah

[haughty flicker]

i think you might be in the wrong discord

[novel star]

not me

[severe sparrow]

i dunno how many casuals are playing rogue to do their open world content vs like

hunters and pallies

[normal mist]

It was tool tip tweaking I believe

[severe sparrow]

in terms of populations not caught by wcl

[normal mist]

nothing changed dmg wise

[haughty flicker]

oh its crimson tempest hes talking about

i thought he was talking about the fucking shaman hero talent

[novel star]

what the hell is a shaman

[austere nymph]

a fun class with 3 strong specs and a good raid buff

[fair coyote]

a blue combat rogue with maces/axes

[haughty flicker]

well fun is questionable

[severe sparrow]

yeah but mail

[haughty flicker]

ele currently is literally spam lightning bolt as fast as you possibly can

[robust river]

Chart from WOW reddit other day if anyone interested.

[fair coyote]

i believe you can also be female (i'll see myself out)

[ruby swift]

Hello it is a bug that Echoing Repimand didnt "cosume" a deathstalker stack?

[haughty flicker]

we hope so

[severe sparrow]

this is interesting because i personally know a lot more people who main or alt evoker vs anyone who even is willing to touch rogue

[austere nymph]

theyre probably trying to decide whether or not its working as intended

[normal mist]

!dn

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[severe sparrow]

my second guild memes on me constantly that no one plays rogue because they actually dont have a single one

[shrewd night]

@fathom cove Be careful with self-promo, as per our rules:

Self-promotion is not allowed. If what you have created is not specifically relevant to the topic at hand, you are not allowed to post a link to it or advertise it in any way while using this server.

[austere nymph]

i am playing rogue because i thought it would be difficult to recruit one. and i enjoy sin

[robust river]

I don't really know why I'm playing rogue. I tend to cycle between Rogue, Priest and Monk.

[severe sparrow]

they also tell me theyre all unwilling to learn it because "it's too hard"

[austere nymph]

i do think all 3 rogue specs have a higher skill floor than most classes

[kindred cobalt]

Patch 11.0.5 datamined class changes are on next weekly reset?

[normal mist]

On the eyes of many players, we are the elite that has a brain big enough to understand rogue

[austere nymph]

dont think so

[normal mist]

November something

[haughty flicker]

are these people in the room with us

[robust river]

Sin seems pretty easy at present? Especially floor wise, get bleeds up and spam envenom is passable 😄

[empty ruin]

i was like... AM i in the wrong discord ? double checks

[haughty flicker]

because i promise you thats not how people see rogues lmao

[normal mist]

... Yes.

[haughty flicker]

yeah my bad lmao

still waking up apparently

[raven egret]

Who's gonna tell him

[haughty flicker]

dont tell him

[normal mist]

Not me

[haughty flicker]

just max that shit out

[severe sparrow]

i still maintain that you dont need to understand outlaw as long as you can press buttons really fast and can learn like 2 rules

[haughty flicker]

and take the money

[normal mist]

I don't even know him

[raven egret]

it cant even be crafted rn recipe drops from the raid XD

[haughty flicker]

huge

[normal mist]

THIS IS SO REAL

[shrewd night]

Ask him to send it next week, and then make it rank1

[broken musk]

About to start levelling rogue alt, Is sin the spec for m+??

[robust river]

They're all fine

[raven egret]

pick the one you love

'cept outlaw, no one really likes outlaw for real

[fresh ingot]

am i delusional or does stealth feel way worse than in DF?

[normal mist]

Only the outlaws love themselves

[fresh ingot]

like i cant stealth when my grp is in combat IN NEW ZEALAND

and get randomly unstealthed

[haughty flicker]

a few love themselves way too much, most hate themselves though

[normal mist]

It's the same but different

AoE exists

Pulse DMG exists

[fierce bane]

Can someone identify what I am doing wrong here?

[haughty flicker]

math

[normal mist]

Why are there numbers on my screen

[raven egret]

I can see shapes but I can't understand what they are

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-computing-counting-math-problems-gif-14678592

Yo gif don't fail me

[robust river]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-not-found-gif-error-larry-skylines-gif-26484833

YO GIF IS DEAD

Gif's broke

Discord is over. Uninstall.

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[normal mist]

You chose a fun one too

[raven egret]

NOOOO

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-embed-failure-epic-embed-fail-double-embed-fail-gif-23538127

?

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[normal mist]

HES A WITCH

[pliant remnant]

THE IRONY

IT BURNSSSSSSSSSS

[raven egret]

WTF

[normal mist]

Is it because I'm mobile?

[normal mist]

Hm

[robust river]

It works from the interwebs

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-gif-18501881

[raven egret]

nah I'm on PC as well

[haughty flicker]

some work

and some dont

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016

[haughty flicker]

?

[robust river]

I'm on PC. GIF's from inside discord are dead. Maybe Tenor gone down or api link or whatever.

[raven egret]

serves you right for being able to do it once

[haughty flicker]

but the gif i used was from inside discord

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[robust river]

You are the chosen one, Neo.

[haughty flicker]

i only had the power to do it once

and i wasted it

[raven panther]

I have a question about mastery, it says it increase our bleed and poison damage. But does it increase Envenom damage ? it's nor a poison nor a bleed but I see it being in the affected spells on the spell in WoWHead

[normal mist]

#assassination is the channel where gifs suddenly not working are enough reason for people to have fun.

[spice surge]

It is affected

for the most part poison damage and nature damage are the same thing

[robust river]

It's going to keep you up at night, thinking about what you've done. Like that time you think someone is waving at you, so you start awkwardly waving back then you see it's to someone behind you.

[spice surge]

Weapon poisons are only the ones on your weapon (deadly/amp/ig instant)

Lethal poisons is the same as weapon poisons

Consistency with tooltips aint something we do around here

[fair coyote]

i am not sure if the tooltip on the left is wrong but on the datamined changed it was + and not * in the old version

[twilit creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fviYl5ROScI

[cobalt sphinx]

what are you trying to figure out

[robust river]

Didn't someone say the CT changes where tooltip changes only? Or am I misremembering that

Like the in game math stayed the same, tooltip was just wrong

[whole sand]

yes

tooltip has been wrong for ages

[past forum]

Who members when Realz was here and we found out about all the things that were supposed to be working with zoldyk but hadn’t been

[void mesa]

Oh that was a good day

[gilded oasis]

@balmy condor hope you have a nice Friday

[plucky river]

Isn’t that automatic thistle tea under 50 energy kinda a nerf?

[nova aspen]

kind of

yep

it impacts bugstalker more than fatebound tho

[plucky river]

Bugstalker is hilarious lol

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter much

[past forum]

Surely it won’t use tea if we already have tea buff active, right?

[spice surge]

Youd just not drop below 50 outside cds

[void mesa]

If you're ultra tryhard, it's a very small nerf
If you're a casual, it's a button removed

[supple ruin]

I have heard rogue has bugs, but being referred to as bugstalker really has me worried since that’s what I play 😐

[rose needle]

It'll have an ICD right? We don't just always get 50 energy when we fall below 50% energy right?

[spice surge]

With 300 thats not too hard

Its not 50%

Its 50

[rose needle]

Sorry

[nova aspen]

i meme but yea it has like 3 bugs that make me not want to play it atm

[spice surge]

Its just the echoing reprimand bug that people keep yapping about because it feels bad

[rose needle]

But there's no way it always triggers below 50 right? It has to have an ICD

[spice surge]

Numerically it doesnt matter much

[iron valve]

it still has 3 charges and can be used manually, it just auto uses a charge for you if you go below 50

[plucky river]

Yes it’s very very niche situation but if I’m waiting for kingsbane window or something and it triggers I’ll be hot lol

[spice surge]

Presumably it has a 6 second icd yes

Idk it doesnt really matter

[rose needle]

That's definitely a nerf then right? Cause I can't use it right when I pop kingsbane unless I pre plan that

[haughty flicker]

you can still press the button

[spice surge]

Using tea strictly for energy isnt that much of a loss anyway

[haughty flicker]

it just also triggers at 50

[past forum]

Mostly im just wondering why this change

Like who wanted it

[astral obsidian]

The tea change feels like it should have been a talent choice.

[fair coyote]

probably some suits at blizard asking devs to make rogue more casual friendly

[spice surge]

It honestly kinda baffles me that so many people are upset about this

[past forum]

Not upset, just curious

[haughty flicker]

it definitely doesnt seem like a very big deal

[next laurel]

I’m glad we can still manually press it. That makes me feel better lol. I had the impression it was gonna be more of a passive because I read it half asleep 😂

[tired gull]

Sometimes I forget to use tea outside of opener 😬 so I’ll probably like it

[tough basalt]

I mean if you’re trying to pool tea for CDs, and you want to keep your envenom stacks, you’ll have a choice when you go sub 80 energy on pressing that envenom button

[astral obsidian]

I think people are upset because it removes full control over it.

[spice surge]

It doesnt though

Youre not forced to drop below 50 energy, its really easy not to

[astral obsidian]

Having to stand around autoing isn't fun for them?

[fair coyote]

people are upset cause its another thing they have to watch out for, not going below 50 energy

[haughty flicker]

thats sin anyway

[spice surge]

Youd do that anyway

[haughty flicker]

nothing to do with this change

[wanton mortar]

bis trinkets for m+?

[spice surge]

Idk people just overestimate how good the mastery is

[astral obsidian]

Right, but sin players aren't asking for MORE autoing.

[spice surge]

Its not more autoing

[tough basalt]

To me it just feels more like old sin where you’re truly pooling energy and not halfway pooling like you do now

[spice surge]

Its literally the same amount

[haughty flicker]

why would it be more autoing

[grim jay]

I mean the implementation towards the speculated goal is kinda questionable, so I guess most people are upset about it not being handled better

[haughty flicker]

it doesnt change how often you get tea or how much energy it gives

[tired gull]

The only thing that changes with new tea is if you happen to drop below 50 energy, it uses tea

If you don’t drop below 50, nothing changes

[spice surge]

Like instead of being hyped we get a cool new mechanic with twist the knife were all yapping about this tea change

[nova aspen]

i also freaked out at first, thinking it was 50% energy and not 50 flat

[spice surge]

That doesnt matter much

[nova aspen]

rarely do i get to 50 flat as fatebound

so its meh

[tired gull]

ttk making bursty bursts is great

[past forum]

!ttk

Oh, I thought he made a command

[robust river]

It's in pins

If it you mean PTR discussion

[past forum]

He had a medium sized yap about it that I thought he made a command. Didn’t see the video in the pin til just now tho

[tired gull]

Odd, i just had a 7cp envenom with DN active not crit

[sharp viper]

is deathstalker tree finally working with ER?

[kind talon]

i notice on wowhead in the ST build there is a point in Arterial, but in whispyrs yt guide, that point instead it looks like in Dashing Scoundrel. Is there a reason for either or?

[grim jay]

just follow the guide, he always keeps them up to date

[cosmic gyro]

do you guys know if with fatebound, cold blood should always be paired with kingsbane or used on cd?

maybe paired with shiv windows

[ripe umbra]

not sure sbout that, By Whispyr Last Updated: 2024/08/22

the video is more recent, so i would go with that

[heavy sentinel]

cold blood should be paired with envenom

[cosmic gyro]

the talent makes so it will always be used on envenom

but since cb is 45s it misaligns with kingsbane

[robust river]

10/10 advice 😄

[proven jasper]

cb doesnt work with kingsbane

[heavy sentinel]

yee

[proven jasper]

U use it with env

[heavy sentinel]

i dont understand the question

never use it with KB

[cosmic gyro]

english is not my first language, my bad

i mean that this talent forces it to always be used on envenom

but since cold blood is 45s cooldown, it misaligns with burst windows

should I press it whenever off cd or save it for burst windows?

[robust river]

He's asking if he should use CB on cooldown, or use it, then wait for kingsbane before using again. I don't know the actual answer, I haven't played much FB.

Does CD start rolling on press, or when stacks are used?

[heavy sentinel]

It doesnt seem to matter much

[vast loom]

after the opening sequence its on CD

[heavy sentinel]

i assume most people just have it macroed anyway

[cosmic gyro]

when stacks are used

[robust river]

Only CB interaction I'm aware is don't press it with Deathmark as it ruins your first flip or something.

[cosmic gyro]

yeah you should used it following your first envenom after deathmark

[cosmic gyro]

gotcha, ty

[rustic zealot]

Guys do u think we are going to play Outlaw in raid? (according to sims)

[vocal minnow]

More likely sub if you wanna minmax

[grim jay]

outlaw most of the time sims better

and never is dominant the play in raid

[shy axle]

do i understand it correctly that i try to open once with ambush to get the deathstalker stacks going and then just to time it with finishers to carry it on?

[gusty lichen]

I know I’m playing sin, but what hero talent y’all raiding with? Leaning deathstalker right now

[grim jay]

yeah you optimally just play the capstone

[vocal minnow]

You can play outlaw if your raid does everything and mechanics allow you to have 100% uptime

[grim jay]

even then it has no burst

which is favorable for raid

[vocal minnow]

Yeah depends on the encounter

[undone pollen]

sims can help with itemization but dictating real time application of top specs has almost always been a measured off

[wise whale]

This

[timid thistle]

but outlaw will do so much more ovr than sin or I can play sin in raid too

[merry cobalt]

speaking of sims, i'm being told to replace ara kara and signet for buzzer and twin fang on every sim i run, is this right? Everywhere i look says ara kara is the best but it's -16k dps on sims vs buzzer

[grim jay]

id recommend reading all the answers

[rustic zealot]

Shadowdust PTSD

[undone pollen]

twin fang? the multi castable trinket? that thing is so bad

[spice surge]

Guides are based of trinkets available from the season at high ilvl

Buzzer aint available in any higher ilvl than what you currently have

Whereas arakara is available at 639 (from vault)

[merry cobalt]

oh really? i thought it was taking the gear im wearing and the gear i selected as comparions

[spice surge]

The sim does yes

I said guides

[merry cobalt]

oh guides i see

so for now buzzer is by far the best trinket

[shy axle]

do you plan on playing the bleed m+ build without the middle path for the first low mythics or do you start with the hybrid build? wowhead guide and pins seem to favor one over each other

[late surge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever sapphire]

99% chance its bleed, you dont really get much of a kb action so bleed will do you better in those aoe pulls

[shy axle]

makes sense, thank you

[grim jay]

I'll just play hybrid because content will be on the harder than pretty fast anyways for m+ and I dont care about the few dps (if at all) on m0

[celest helm]

Bleed build gains alot of benefit in lower keys thanks to sudden demise being able to smooth over the shorter living packs

[orchid cedar]

i'll just play hybrid to get used to it

[clever sapphire]

bleed just feels better in low m+ imo

[orchid cedar]

i think you will be doing hard keys fast if you want

where stuff doesn't die that easy

[tawny pawn]

my sims say to use it on cd

[grim jay]

idk, it "feels" the same, just different details pattern. I do like dealing boss damage still tho

[tawny pawn]

Align -> unalign -> aligned

[grim jay]

its not like your bleed damage just dies

on hybrid

[clever sapphire]

ye thats true, its probably all just in my head

doesnt matter, let me get in on that blindside as long as i can

[grim jay]

ngl I had the same thing coming in

[undone pollen]

where does the signet of the priory rank

[spice surge]

Its just like skardyn except it gives less stats and is only available at 593 ilvl

So pretty bad once next week rolls around

[undone pollen]

yea skardyn will be much better i just meant right now

[wicked vector]

I hate echoing repremand not working with deathmark. If that changed this build would be much much better to play

[royal lantern]

just play cringebound in the meantime

or hope that blizz gets a moment of clarity and deletes all hero talents

[wicked vector]

deleting hero talents = a no from me coach. They are really fun on classes that aren't rogue.

[undone pollen]

im messing around with all 3 specs on target dummies' and my best results have been on assa currently. doesnt mean a lot in the grand scheme but up to my level of skill for each spec

[royal lantern]

idc about paladins

[royal lantern]

comparing dmg based on dmg dummys is a bit weird

cus like

you need to play really really well + do it for the same time

and the old classic: people hitting a dmg dummy at 10% hp and having permanent execute dmg as assa

[undone pollen]

100% but i dont have a ton of options because pulling an entire room in heroics is just 3.5mil dps really a true measure too

[lapis depot]

!talents

[kindred breach]

used to get so baited by this

I was like why the fuck am I doing so much dmg now

Took me at least a month to understand lol

[fair coyote]

ever felt bad about your damage before noticing you are hitting the pvp dummy?

[undone pollen]

or go hit the tank dummy and nearly kill yourself

XD

[proper tapir]

M+ isn't out yet and stuff is changing all the time. I strongly believe that by the time M+ rolls around we'll be playing Hybrid Deathstalker (with sudden demise and cold blood) in all M+. That build is too good all around.

[grim jay]

idk when I last hit a dummy for damage stuff

[shy axle]

yeah i know, was just interested in peoples opinion

why cold blood exactly ?

[grim jay]

I doubt we'll play deathstalker with CB in any way unless CB would suddenly be way stronger and they dont fix ER

[kindred breach]

ER doesn't work with our mark so I think it will be the best option if they don't fix ER

[grim jay]

the best option if they dont fix ER is what we are already playing

[kindred breach]

even without ER fixing CB is still bad?

[grim jay]

!DN

[prisma monolith]

Do I need to always be in stealth to apply a Deathstalker Mark?

• Only the initial application. Darkest Night reapplies and will be the majority of your applications
  Echoing Reprimand....
• Yes, Echoing Reprimand doesn't interact with the Mark / Darkest Night, this is one of the biggest bugs still plaguing Deathstalker as a whole
• Until it is fixed, you would want to run 2/2 Lethality and still put 1 point into Echoing Reprimand
  But the 3rd cp or something?
• Correct, there has been a newly found... bug? interaction? With the Mark and Echoing Reprimand. It requires you to have your 3rd combo point be animacharged, the Mark be applied from Darkest Night, and then consuming the animacharge with Envenom. Should all those conditions be met, it will consume a stack of the Mark as intended.
  Does Blizzard know?
• There is no way they don't know. This has been mass reported, screamed from the rooftops, highlighted in every wowhead article, youtube video, forum post and stream since Deathstalker was revealed in alpha. The only thing we can do is keep reporting the bug through the in-game report, making noise on forums, and waiting.

[kindred breach]

wow I didn't see that command thank you pal

It must be in the guide too i guess

[grim jay]

dont think so

as its likely not intended

and should get fixed

[kindred breach]

ok yeah makes sense if it get fixed you need to change everything back.. ty i'll go with this then

[proper tapir]

Cold blood sims well in Dslice, better than ER and I don't think we'll have an ER/Mark fix by S1

[tawny pawn]

guys just play fatebound CB

you guys gonna be fine ST and AoE

mark is bugged, wait for fix

[native escarp]

is Shadowdust actually getting removed?

where is the post for it

[tawny pawn]

later november yes

[kindred breach]

yes it will be in the 10.0.5 patch

[native escarp]

ah ye

[proper tapir]

Nah, that's failbound for M+

[native escarp]

and we're going to get up to 3 charges of symbols?

am I reading that correctly

[kindred breach]

I actually like the mark thing, ER bug is awfull but oh well

[spice surge]

If you spec into it

Which is unlikely

[native escarp]

is the tree available yet or nah

[spice surge]

Yes

Wowhead ptr

[nova aspen]

heres the tree

[native escarp]

ty

[nova aspen]

np

[native escarp]

lmaoo

[violet hemlock]

That sucks since we aint in df anymore

[native escarp]

also ngl thought this was sub rogue chat

assass kingdom

[kindred breach]

I agree a lot but we have pals who have very good points against it

Check pins in the sub chan

Fuu gave his opinion i agree with him 100%

[grim jay]

its kinda literally only ER with mark, idk

[austere sorrel]

When/if ER gets fixed, will we play around it at all? Like skip a charged cp and use DN on it instead? Or just play normally

[native escarp]

Thistle Tea -> Automatically triggers with 50 or less energy now

is this only sub

[kindred breach]

nope....

[keen spruce]

No

[kindred breach]

that is a big L

[native escarp]

fuck

thats dog

[keen spruce]

It’s a big w/e

[native escarp]

wait so

is it going to a passive

[kindred breach]

Yep

[keen spruce]

No

[whole sand]

no

[native escarp]

or is it just going to auto trigger on top of being able to manual

[proper tapir]

You'll probably always just finish on charged.

[native escarp]

so we still get it in opener?

[keen spruce]

Yes

[native escarp]

okay

[thorn fjord]

What poppin

[snow kindle]

its too early to tell but im pretty sure they will give it the shadow crash treatment.

[kindred breach]

Oh mb then i believed it while reading their post

[native escarp]

thats not kms terrible

but fuck thats still shit

we dont get it with shiv i guess

[keen spruce]

It’s clunky

[native escarp]

yea

how do u not overcap energy now

esp in AoE

[keen spruce]

Probably just a short term iteration

[native escarp]

gonna be hella weird

[grim jay]

hu?

[thorn fjord]

Quacktain a play on octane?

[kindred breach]

in AOE you rarely go under 50 tbh so i dont think it will be the problem

[keen spruce]

Huh?

[native escarp]

i guess

[kindred breach]

You'll need to keep above 50 and that will be clunky as hell

[native escarp]

still cringe

[keen spruce]

@thorn fjord speak English

[little tulip]

i do kinda miss having to stop and think about how to keep the pressure up for the next 30 seconds/rotation as outlaw

[thorn fjord]

HIGH OCTANE

QUACKTAIN

[native escarp]

surely people won't min-max energy on staying above 50 unless kingsbane is like almost off CD

ors omething

[thorn fjord]

shmoops there goes my transmission

[keen spruce]

No it’s a play on captain

[thorn fjord]

Oh

[little tulip]

do i get more pressure from rerolling rtb or starting the subterefuge window

[keen spruce]

Cuz I’m a pilot

[little tulip]

it felt really good

[grim jay]

hint: they will.

[keen spruce]

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-brothers-gif-27205452

[native escarp]

if you're less than 2 charges and kingsbane or something is almost off CD i can see you holding

to not proc it

but other than that idk, shit change anyway

[kindred breach]

My guess is it would be always bad to have it proc

[native escarp]

L blizz as always

[keen spruce]

More likely you just chill at high energy

[kindred breach]

Because you dont choose when

[grim jay]

you dont really lose anything by staying over 50 so why would people not do it if it stays as is

[keen spruce]

Or you just ignore it completely and let it auto fire

Depends on where the numbers land with stacking envenom

[native escarp]

yea most likely this

[keen spruce]

You’ll always have one for KB anyways

[native escarp]

just make sure you keep a charge for ur cds

[keen spruce]

Cuz same CD

[native escarp]

[thorn fjord]

Playing ST next week gonna feel so weird

[little tulip]

at this point kinda gotta try fatebound sassin so the yapping can continue

[thorn fjord]

After spamming a billion heroic dungeons

[little tulip]

i got 6 item levels and about a million dam'age

[thorn fjord]

These two weeks of heroic for sure built up some bad habbits

[keen spruce]

I haven’t played since we killed fyrakk in s3

[thorn fjord]

Hell yeah

[native escarp]

[whole sand]

should we be on 12 coffer keys by tuesday or 11?

[little tulip]

i can't find a unicorn guild that raids at pst 7pm, truuly

[kindred breach]

at least you got him...

[snow kindle]

depends on reonown and if u did WQ

[whole sand]

stricky from chests/wqs

[kindred breach]

12 without renown

[whole sand]

okay

[kindred breach]

But its if you started and leveled 80 day 1 of early access

Or day 2 max i dont remember

[whole sand]

because i was on track last week and i think last week was 8 max

or maybe it was 7 and im tripping

[kindred breach]

They had a WQ ending like day 3 of EA if i'm right

[grim jay]

only need enough to fill the vault anyways

[obtuse ruin]

What’s the point of coffer keys after this week?

Better vault options?

[grim jay]

they only have a point after this week

for one ID

for better vault loot

[whole sand]

you use them next week on 8s to get 603 gear

[kindred breach]

and a juicy 3rd line in your vault

[grim jay]

which is the important one

[kindred breach]

Yeah 603 is like NM raid gear?

so not that imporatnt

but we're sweaty fuckers here

gotta optimize for NM

[royal lantern]

nah, maybe you guys

i take regular showers

[dense cove]

the recommendation is to just point 1 point into ER for now in raid eh? i feel like when you only have the 1 empowered cp it used to always land on that cp when you pressed ER, but mine never does anymore

[normal mist]

thats not a thing no

its random

[dense cove]

did it used to be a thing? for some reason i thought it was

[normal mist]

Nop

[keen spruce]

That wouldn’t really make sense if it did

[dense cove]

so i guess in this rotation you just send the first envenom for the buff regardless of whether it lands on the cp?

[thorn fjord]

These new opener gfx are pretty slick

[dense cove]

but then do you ever actually hit the cp because won't you always want to be consuming at least 5 points or 7 points to renew mark?

which leads me to wonder what the point of even taking the talent is

[little tulip]

i think er tends to put it at the 5cp threshold

i've been doing the tea before kingsbane htough, noted

[undone pollen]

when deathmark is about to end why is it not worth it DPS wise to have garrote and rupture reapplied to duplicate them

its a net dps loss?

[dense cove]

it seems i never end up with 5 cp when i press those exact buttons. SnD consumes the points then when i press ER it gives me 2-3 points depending on if it crits

[fleet pagoda]

the damage is only being duplicated while deathmark is active, when deathmark expires there is no more damage being duplicated

[proper tapir]

When DM is over the duplicate bleeds die with it

[dense cove]

i'm guessing that rotation is for when ER gives 3 charged points, assuming at some point the "bug" gets fixed

[undone pollen]

ohhhh so the second iteration is removed?

that doesnt make any sense

[little tulip]

you're probably right, probably thrown a mutilate in there in heroics

[fleet pagoda]

also, it duplicates active bleeds so you don't need to use any additional globals for it to duplicate the damage

[proven jasper]

it is only duplicated DURING dm

[little tulip]

but it's functional, still only getting out dps'd from item level

[undone pollen]

reapllying for full duration though im saying

[proven jasper]

you should be reapplying before deathmark

[fleet pagoda]

you should be vanishing -> improved garroting before you deathmark anyways, which should outlast deathmark

[whole sand]

it doesn't snapshot if that what you're thinking

[undone pollen]

idk how a bleed is just deleted just because deathmark ends. that is a poorly built mechanic

[whole sand]

afaik

[proven jasper]

???

[fleet pagoda]

deathmark IS the bleed, brother.

[robust axle]

What are you on about

[proud pelican]

it basically gives your bleeds 2 stacks then when deathmark expires, all bleeds return to one stack if that makes sense

[proven jasper]

Deathmark essentially just doubles the damage of them during it

[proper tapir]

No no, we used to have to snapshot at the end of our CD. It was annoying and this is much better

[undone pollen]

okay i get it, thanks for the clarification

[kindred breach]

Yeah the DM is the thing that duplicate the bleeds so its logic if it disappear when the thing which is making it disappears too

[little tulip]

oh dumb question does deathmark work during indiscriminate carnage

i know it's a 2min cd but just curious

[whole sand]

deathmark is applied to a target

[kindred breach]

It works only on your target

[whole sand]

its not a buff

[kindred breach]

It doesn't spread to the others with IC

[little tulip]

yeah just had to know, thanks

[quartz locust]

anyone know wtf these green orbs that randomly spawn around me sometimes are

[royal lantern]

huh

why not

[little tulip]

yeah like sassin is really good but eugh

chain pull city

[proper tapir]

Earthen poo poo

[royal lantern]

assa loves chainpulls

[little tulip]

ping

[royal lantern]

scent of blood stacks+energy regeneration from the last couple enemys is nice

[spice spire]

Ur nice

[royal lantern]

[little tulip]

blizzard ui doesn't support higher expressions of sassin rogue gameplay

ree

who plays with nameplates wit the stock ui and stuff

[proper tapir]

That's why we all use Hekili

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[misty holly]

Hekili is outdated, what you want is chatgpt integration to give you updates on what ability to press next in real time.

[grim jay]

idk who you all is, but dont get us caught up in that weak stuff

not even as a joke

[proper tapir]

Woah woah, that chatgpt thing sounds promising

[whole sand]

i just have a man on discord i call up and he yells spells at me to press and then swears at me in a foreign language

[proper tapir]

I tried that but he didn't have the correct pandemic values

[misty holly]

Has anyone checked to see if Bubbling Wax stacks with mana oil or sharpening stones?

[grim jay]

wdym stacks

[misty holly]

like can you use both

[grim jay]

you can use one of each

bcs 2 weapons

but not 4 in total

they are the same type of item

[misty holly]

ahh ok

[keen spruce]

[fierce bane]

what the changes to crimson tempest means. From the screenshot it looks like the damage will be nerfed hard. But my calculations must be wrong

[wanton mirage]

I think it was just a tooltip update.

[grim jay]

ye was just a cleanup

the tooltip was wrong

[tired gull]

hmmmm, just noticed Serrated Bone Spike only ticked 1 time in a 33 second fight

[misty holly]

dang, you must have had one huge negative haste debuff.

[thorn fjord]

aww dangit

[quiet oar]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[glad flare]

Can someone without a mmo mouse share their bindings please

Or macros to reduce keybinds, I'm in need of inspiration

[undone pollen]

a1 bleed sauce

[little tulip]

i dont have freaky spider fingers but yeah

sorry for poor res 🙂

oh wait sorry, wrong spec

[undone pollen]

this question has probably been answered a ton, but after vanishing is there a reason its not suggesting to ambush?

[misty holly]

I like to alphabetize my abilities, Rupture is "R" Slice and Dive is "S", Mutilate is "M" and so forth. Keeps my typing accuracy up.

[tired gull]

Rupture has been Shift+R for me since vanilla

[clever sapphire]

ambush does less dmg than mutilate

[proven jasper]

If youve already got the mark from deathstalker you dont need to ambush

and yes what murlock said^

[little tulip]

the wowhead guide made it sound important and last time i played was cata

[modern pike]

I'm using Shadowed Unit Frames (player frame addon), and it doesn't seem to highlight combo-points that are affected by echoing reprimand. I'm new to that talent, so I was wondering should I even let ER affect my rotation, or just fire and forget? (if no, does anyone know how to make Shadowedunitframes show ER combo points?)

[little tulip]

fok is q or e

[tired gull]

FoK is C for cleave

[quartz locust]

just use a weakaura package and call it a day

[tired gull]

CT is Shift+C for BIG cleave

[undone pollen]

based on the rotation wouldnt all deathstalker marks be consumed by the time you hit vanish or very close to it? The reduction in damage reason definitely makes sense.

[modern pike]

I use scrollwheel down for FoK, and scrollwheel up for Crimson Tempest. Feelsgood

[tired gull]

7cp envenom refreshes mark when you have darkest night

[clever sapphire]

you press er and just land on the points in the next 45 sec, you dont need to force it but you should know when you landed on an er CP

[little tulip]

right like ambush is ctrl + r

tap 1 and 2 to spread garrote and rupture

lawnmower status in heroics

[modern pike]

Do you move with mouse buttons or use WASD?

[little tulip]

sometimes i just

use the lawnmower

i'm 31 thought im not some decrepit reliquary

for real heheh

[undone pollen]

when building up ruptures during multitarget, do you need to change targets or will it spread intuitively to targets that dont have it applied when coming out of stealth i.e can I reapply it to the biggest target or is it more efficient to target enemies that dont have the bleeds applied.

[solar orbit]

Its good that cut to the chase no longer needs SnD active, that means one button less

[modern pike]

I'm rapidly approaching 40, but I've never enjoyed using the 1-5 keys for abilities that are used a lot (I have defensive spells on them instead). That shit cramped my hands even as a teenager

[little tulip]

it spreads if they're in range

but if you have a pack running in click and start garroting

[undone pollen]

thanks

[modern pike]

Ah my bad, I didn't read the other convo 😛 old eyes

[little tulip]

yeah i play a lot of shooters and common keys to pull grenades are z x c f v q e etc

you do have to use shift and control for wow though that's kinda non negotiable

[modern pike]

Yep. Using Shift for a lot of stuff (like shift+scrollup/down, shift+the two side buttons on mouse)

Very ergonomic!

[glad flare]

Thanks @tired gull and @little tulip. got a few ideas thanks to your stuff

[little tulip]

but it's weird i actually cyclenades with spacebar but idk if spacebar + r is a possibility in wow

in cs2 i throw nades with m1 + mwdown

i haven't jumped with spacebar in 6 or 7 years

[modern pike]

Nah sadly not

[empty ruin]

bind mouse buttons to shift and ctrl so that all keybinds are comfortable ez clap

[little tulip]

yeah you can look at my chat history i use a trackball most days so i dont got carpal tunnel eating my hand up to death

[modern pike]

I just want someone to stuff electrodes into my noggin so I can stop using these archaic input devices

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/go-ahead-make-my-day-clint-eastwood-gif-8449097

[iron valve]

just upload me into the computer bro, I'm ready

[modern pike]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-wtf-matrix-the-matrix-blink182-gif-11308275628706487257

[trim veldt]

feel like this spec will get nerfed hard

[little tulip]

they'd have to nerf dk and arms warrior too

already got owned by arcane mages in 470 gear lol

[trim veldt]

idk about fdk it got nerf this patch so double nerf idk

[proper tapir]

We call this "Smart Targeting" and IC doesn't do it

[junior isle]

HI everyone, first time posting. I wanna ask a question but don't wanna sound stupid. I have been gone since SL and never played a rogue until the day before TWW. Question I have is, playing deathstalker, after the opener and in normal rotation do I keep spamming envenom for the deathstalkers marks>Darkest Nights. Or do you hold envenom until it ticks down to lets say 3 seconds left on the uptime of Envenom? c.c I didn't know where else to ask.

[quartz locust]

guys tell me how to feel about the PTR patch notes

[iron valve]

yeah it does

[royal lantern]

tea change really bad

everything else good

[misty holly]

Im happy about them. Potentially 2 less keybinds

[royal lantern]

TTK change interesting

[rotund oak]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[undone pollen]

IC?

[quartz locust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[tawny geyser]

Slice and Dice is amazing. One less button to click and GCD.

[little tulip]

i'm doing 600k and this arcane mage in green s is just lighthing up priory of the scared flame with 1.2 pre nerf

[proper tapir]

Indiscriminate Carnage

[little tulip]

i had to check i haven't been reading quest text >_>

[jade abyss]

Fuck slice and dice

[dark token]

Might go mechagnome this shit looks busted

[rotund oak]

cheat death is even more busted

[fair stirrup]

Am I unique in that Sacbrood is, and has been simming, loved than other trinks? I’m meta geared at 586. Is there anything not covered by sims that we’re considering ?

[rotund oak]

u proc this,then u proc cheat death

[junior isle]

Hey thank you ! I appreciate that

[modern pike]

The diaper-mecha look offsets both of those, imo

[rotund oak]

you are welcome fam 🙂

[undone pollen]

so if your deathstalker is on your big target on a multitarget pull and your best option is to target bleeds on enemies that dont otherwise have it, is like a focus target or something you best option for re-targeting your deathstalker target

[late surge]

use noggenfogger

mecha gnomes looking like old men with adult diapers

unplayable without toys/food

[tired gull]

i'm excited for m+ where things will actually live

[proper tapir]

Get Rupture on the main target, try to spread some out to other targets. Some use mouse over macros for this so you don't lose the marked target

[misty holly]

We'll all be there someday.

[rotund oak]

might actually be the go for arena,its insane how huge those two racials are

[little tulip]

you don't overlap crimson tempest, envenom when you're above 6 seconds

[dark token]

Might go diaper

Wtf

[rotund oak]

lmao

[iron valve]

nah, dracthyr glide + CC + mastery + out of combat regen + cosplaying as wrathion's goon 🔛 🔝

[tired gull]

I use a mouseover macro for rupture when i need to spread

[rotund oak]

diaper the mechagnome

hahahaha

[undone pollen]

but i want to get caustic poison before i envenom right?

[little tulip]

as i understand it the m+ build that i saw from wowhead or icy veins doesn't use caustic spatter but i can check again cause i did run caustic for about a week

[proper tapir]

Yes, keeping CS up is like #2 prio

[undone pollen]

okay yea that makes sense

[little tulip]

been using the bone spike sudden death build no dragon tempered

[tired gull]

feels good to finally have all 580+ gear

[little tulip]

just deadly/numbing

[undone pollen]

thanks guys

[little tulip]

but the dragon tempered build is way cooler ngl

[proper tapir]

You need CS for M+, love you bro

[quartz locust]

i like having the 3 M+ builds that scale with difficulty

[errant night]

hey guys. what do you think about these new patch notes 11.0.5? is it any good for rogues?

[quartz locust]

the sudden demise build fucks so hard for heroics rn

[rotund oak]

ive went till 585 and stopped there.Its the comfort zone for m0s,capped my VS after that

[late surge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[little tulip]

it does they get to 5% and just drop

but yeah i did play caustic spatter and it was also good

[tired gull]

Yep, I just cba to continue improving, limited time to game

[rotund oak]

just farm some wax,thats all

dont need alot of stuff,chill and all

[tired gull]

i've got about 100 so far

[little tulip]

i have 2 shiv charges and overlap

basically

[rotund oak]

ive got 2k on ym mage and 1.8k on my rogue

[tired gull]

😂

[rotund oak]

😅

[proper tapir]

Ya'll don't think they'll nerf that wax?

[rotund oak]

does it matter what theyll do

do it now that u can

to cap ur vs

in 10 days u get to do m+ anyway

[tawny pawn]

abuse early abuse often

[onyx falcon]

Don't see it in the pin, but is this is buff or nerf? the math is ... a thing

[proper tapir]

But when you open it later it won't give the VS

[tawny pawn]

its just tooltip fix

no buffs or nerfs

[onyx falcon]

ahhhhh mk

ty

[rotund oak]

what?

where did that come from

[proper tapir]

If they nerf it

[rotund oak]

IF

and u dont know

[proper tapir]

Yeah

[rotund oak]

how

[proper tapir]

True

[quartz locust]

like he has the wax already lol

[rotund oak]

then why presuppose it wont

[woeful wigeon]

where can ifound that deathstalkers mark on plater and make it a big bigger to see who the mark has in bigger pulls have trouble to keep track of it

[rotund oak]

i can still use the wax for the weeklies n stuff

like idk,ppl just randomly think stuff

[quartz locust]

no yeah i was saying that supporting your point

[rotund oak]

yeah ik ofc it does

[unborn wharf]

i have it so the target with caustic/deathstalkers mark's nameplate changes color to green

[rotund oak]

its like farming ur flasks early and put them on the bank

makes no difference

[quartz locust]

teach me your ways

[cloud fox]

add it into buff special

[unborn wharf]

stealing a script from I think whysper's plater profile

the secret ancient tech

[foggy galleon]

Does night elf racial counts as invis ? ( gives you proc of improved garrote)

[eternal hawk]

no but it can restealth you sometimes in dungeons as long as you actually go out of combat to stealth

[woeful wigeon]

show me bro

[woeful wigeon]

will try from this way also

[rotund oak]

no u meld into pressing stealth to gain ''invis''

[unborn wharf]

sure i'll dm you the import coe

code*

[woeful wigeon]

thx

[foggy galleon]

Mhm

Makes sense

I was wondering

If it would work

Every assa would be

Night eld 🙂

[rotund oak]

night elf isnt rly a thing for sin and it can backfire

from random stuff

[quartz locust]

so i have the standard mouseover macro for kick, which will kick my current target if i'm not mouseover on another, but i made one for garrote and rupture and it doesnt behave the same

[rotund oak]

its unreliable

[quartz locust]

anyone know why

[rotund oak]

wdym doesnt behave the same

[foggy galleon]

How so? I mean whats the catch with it

[quartz locust]

if i'm not mousing over a target, it wont cast them on my current target

[rotund oak]

u need to hover over ur target and mouseover it

yeah thats how it works

unless u do that from a focus

its very old and unreliable

[quartz locust]

oh wait i'm dumb i didnt have the kick macro on my bar in this spec

[rotund oak]

!meld

!shadowmeld

hmm

[quartz locust]

is there way for it to behave like i want it to, cast on mousover, but if i'm not mouseover anything it just casts on my target instead?

[vapid geode]

#showtooltip Kick
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm,nodead][harm,nodead]Kick

[rotund oak]

anyway u can get meld and get in combat from random stuff or get random dmg that results on loosing the meld combat state

u cant press stealth and continue

u just lost time and meld malfunctions

[tired gull]

sacbrood is only +1400 dps 😦

[rotund oak]

that can also be any random range-agro thing which keeps u in combat

u still wont get u stealth coz u are in combat

meld does nothing

so its not reliable

[undone pollen]

horde rogue races, any racials like orcs or some other that are worth switching to?

[normal mist]

one that looks good

[dark token]

Go diaper

[normal mist]

if you dont care about that

go orc

[rotund oak]

im switching tomorrow btw

[grim jay]

only worthy swaps are to nelf and dwarf for mechanic cheeses in m+, no numerical gain is worth

[dark token]

U get a 2nd cheat death and big dam

[rotund oak]

yup

[proper tapir]

Not worth switching to unless you really want to min max.

[undone pollen]

nice, thanks!

[unborn wharf]

play goblin for bis stealth animation

[proper tapir]

Team Dragon let's goooooo!

[haughty flicker]

People actually out here swapping to diaper baby

This is the worst timeline

[normal mist]

Yep

[proven jasper]

Ive been trying to spread the word

That looking good does more damage

[normal mist]

And you're right

[proven jasper]

and u cant look good as a diaperbaby

[misty holly]

Vulpera has same stealth and a much fluffier tail.

[rotund oak]

passive cheatdeath and primary stat

beats me

[quartz locust]

furry alert

[rotund oak]

also can craft my engi stuff without a bench,its a bench by its own

[drifting basin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[grim jay]

its also the most ugly thing in existence

[rotund oak]

if i cared for ugly ild keep my wife bro

[proven jasper]

[tired gull]

it's wild to me that internal bleeding -> caustic swap, on pure single target is only 1.8% loss (for my sims)

[rotund oak]

1.8% is significant though

[proper tapir]

I mean, 1.8 is a lot

[tired gull]

less than our tier 🙂

[rotund oak]

ye and...

[hallow pelican]

That’s 180,000 for me

[proven jasper]

Yeah i mean

Its 1 talent

[tired gull]

i'm also just talking pure single target

[rotund oak]

idk,u kinda evaluate the relative power of a choice node for a certain scenario

[proven jasper]

IB is nothing crazy either

its just a little extra bleed on top of ruptute

[hallow pelican]

When you’re pushing a million DPS, 1 talent is losing you, more damage than most classes did in all of dragon flight… to put it in context

[rotund oak]

[proper tapir]

Blizz, just combine IC/CS/IW to one talent already

[tired gull]

dang you do 10 mil dps?

[unborn wharf]

[hallow pelican]

Ok my math is bad …

[tired gull]

😄

[hallow pelican]

Deep

Derp

[near canyon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[quartz locust]

lemme get 1.8% of your paycheck dawg

[tired gull]

ok

[hallow pelican]

Still…

[rotund oak]

ppl that minmax think about 0.2% not 1.8%

if u want u can ditch some more here and there

end up losing like 10%

choice is a choice

idk

idk whats even the point in this

[agile kestrel]

is sin going to be the best raid spec overall this tier as of right now?

[rotund oak]

we dont know friend

[tired gull]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little tulip]

is kingsbane good without deathmark?

[rotund oak]

it happens once every two min

its not that good

but its dmg

[little tulip]

have fun raiding lol

[rotund oak]

we will ty friend

[little tulip]

unicron save meee ee e e

[rotund oak]

if u are seeking for a relative answer,KB was nerfed anyway

its not DF kb

it does much less dmg

the initial hit hits harder though

[quartz locust]

it's the kind of nerf i dont mind though, taking emphasis off of a single skill so it's less punishing

to fuck it up

[little tulip]

yeah the dawnbreaker kinda shows that you have to 2 cycle the first boss right

new rule lol

in some other rpg you blow up the dawnbreaker and get less loot and rep for like

endgame headpats lol

glad to be here :b

[eternal quail]

I might be super late to the party here but I've noticed if you max combo point spend with the Deathstalker's mark reapply buff up, on a target with a single stack of the debuff mark left, it will eat the buff and the remaining stack of the debuff and not reapply the mark, leaving you with your dick in your hand looking around for the mark you need to vanish to then reapply.

[tired gull]

yep

[short knoll]

Sorry if has been asked, but do we have a heroic bis items list? Mainly looking for trinket slots

[whole sand]

no

[quartz locust]

just go for the bee trinket and have fun til M+ comes out

[eternal quail]

how we not do dis

[short knoll]

COOL TYTY

caps sorry 😄

[tired gull]

try and consume your final stack with < 7 cp, or use a different finisher

[eternal quail]

fan = full combo points

[tired gull]

rupture or CT then

[quartz locust]

it's probably not bis but it's actually super useful in the open world to have a 1-2 mil button every 1m30s

esp on a DoT spec

[proper tapir]

You can run droptimizer on raidbot for this

[hallow pelican]

Over half of our BiS you can’t get until the season starts but the trinket from Ara’Kara is a great starting point

[quartz locust]

i queued for it last night, first boss drops 2, everyone leaves except me and the healer, he got one and was like "uhhh do you want this?"

[flat sleet]

And and the hellheim ones with use and grand second stat is a got use atm

[little tulip]

what about the darkmoon trinkets same as the other on spell trinkets where they never proc

cause they give mastery/secondary stats on hit afair

[quartz locust]

the radiance darkmoon trink sims higher than most unupgraded heroic trinks

[eternal quail]

I find myself looking at 5 mobs, all with full rupture, garrote and CT dots, target has 1 stack of the mark left and caustic, I have a buff mark stack rolling over from a previous application target dying. Fan gives me max combo points, or I need 2x mutilate to get into mark spending territory. Whats optimal to press here when I want to be spamming env?

[little tulip]

it's only 500 gold on ah lol

nice

[quartz locust]

yeah i have to keep it on til i get more VS

[hallow pelican]

Truthfully I DGAF about heroic loot. I’m not bothering with dungeons until the season starts. I already out gear heroics so the loot grind isn’t worth it for me

[little tulip]

577 trinket kinda free

[tired gull]

Not sure what's optimal, but you could always swap your mark to a diff target, there's not really an ideal situation to avoid being in the 1mark + dn + 7cp scenario 😬

[little tulip]

i'm leveling veteran gear so i don't get kicked from lfr in the first round

[dim otter]

best race for assa rn?

[tired gull]

the one you think is sexiest

[little tulip]

please post ur aotc sarkareth** achivement pls*

[hallow pelican]

Orc Tauren human