assassination

[novel star]

im p sure

[deft rampart]

but red numbers are scary

[white marten]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

You can freely use weathered crests to craft any 590's you'd like. Preferences currently are wrist/belt/rings.

The current "best" embellishment is Ascension on a dagger with a nerubian patch on wrist. This is very overtuned compared to other embellishments and nerfs/buffs are expected.
The current "safe" embellishment to craft is dawnthread on wrist/belt, as this will most likely be generically good.
Blizzard has been tuning embellishments near daily since the expansion has come out. Because of this, IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY
Towards the start of raid release recommendations will update everywhere.

[round plank]

Can i read the patchnotes somewhere?

[obtuse fulcrum]

Could somebody explain the logic of crimson tempest to me in a janky pull scenario where groups of mobs keep getting randomly pulled mid pull? Is it good to apply a fresh tempest every time a few more elites enter the fight, or is that just a CP waste that is better spent on envenom/caustic? it doesn't seem to have a standard rule of thumb like 5 ruptures, but i think i've been overdoing it a bit

[slate crown]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-major-class-changes-and-more-346469

[slate crown]

I love imagining Moroes just grabbing both of my shoulders and screaming at me IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO CHASE BIS EMBELLISHMENTS OR USE SPARKS CURRENTLY

[chilly merlin]

really new to rogue but i may need to play it for my guild a few questions

A. is it just amp/deadly poison all the time do you ever use instant?
B. should i always refresh rupture/crimson at max combo points or do higher levels not do more dps?
C. when exactly do i use thistle tea? do i save it for cds for the mastery buff or do i just chug them as i get oom on energy?

[earnest remnant]

all of those are answered in the guides

[slate crown]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[slate crown]

As stated please see the guides but to answer briefly A) only use instant if you play a build with Dragon Tempered and don't have amp B) finisher rules for combo points apply to all finishers, including rupture/crimson (i.e. finish on max-2 or above). C) tea with with shiv if it won't cap your energy

[balmy condor]

Me when I dropped my mouse and I go to pick it up but moroes is grabbing both of my shoulders and whispering to just let it happen and I’m sobbing tears falling down on the floor but I just quietly nod

[desert cove]

https://tenor.com/view/utena-bestie-same-same-bestie-gif-13652722508022953825

[chilly merlin]

thank you sorry for not checking the guide first but im still curious about ruptures scaling

does casting it at lower than 5 mean it does less dps or is it just the duration and having to spend combo points on it sooner sucks?

ie if a mob in m+ is 30-40% is it okay to send a 2-3 combo point rupture for scent of blood etc or do i need to build to <5

[desert cove]

generally you should only rupture on 3 to 4 if you need energy, or are trying to get ruptures out on multiple targets

[chilly merlin]

oh okay i think i was under the presumption that rupture was a lot higher % of your damage profile in aoe than it really is

[severe sparrow]

why tf do i feel like my mark disappears sometimes and then i cant get it back on

just spent half a boss fight trying to put it back on the boss but ???

[dense lodge]

Doesnt re-apply if you max combo envenom to kill the mob

[severe sparrow]

well yeah the mob would be dead

[acoustic roost]

No you should get darkest night

But sometimes that doesn’t happen

[heady solstice]

Now that you know SND changes it feels shit to use it

[dense lodge]

yeh thats what Im saying it doesnt transfer the DN

[severe sparrow]

oh

lovely

[novel star]

thinking about race changing to vulp...

i can be a furry AND have nelf flips !?

[whole steppe]

The future patch notes, did they actually change anything with CT?

[flint gulch]

what still bothers me to this day is that sns is still a active instead of a passive skill

[novel star]

no

tooltip memes

[whole steppe]

tyty

[neat plank]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fluid smelt]

So seeing the patch notes for 11.0.5 (and they can change) im starting to become more convinced that ER not counting as 7cp for darkest night and DSM is intentional.

[timid stratus]

which is ridiculous, given the wording. i just wish they'd tell us either way

[shell kettle]

Likely a balance issue

But honestly they should just balance it around it working with ER because having to actually max your cp is trash gameplay

[timid stratus]

also it's super weird to have darkest night essentially "penalize" you for picking up the extra combo point talents

[vernal prism]

can i ask a stupid question? i know staying above 150 energy for sanguine blades is better than envenom spamming, but i cant always hit 5+ cp for the envenoms to clip them, should i be using <5 just to clip or let envenom drop?

[fresh coyote]

Anyone know what the best ST Assa tree looks like? On Wowhead Whispyr guide says take Arterial Precision and Shrounded Suff, but on his video he takes Dashing Scoundrel and Tiny Toxic Blade. DS & TTB sims higher. Any reason to go with the first options?

[fresh coyote]

Depends what hero talent you're using.

[vernal prism]

fatebound

[vale quest]

nice SND and Tea changes

[fresh coyote]

With FB, you need to keep Energy above 150 for SB.

[novel star]

tea change actually sucks if you were minmaxing it before

its good if u used it on cd or whatevs tho

cus it just removes da button

and snd is awesome tru

[timid stratus]

yeah, tea change should have been a choice node between the old a new functionality

for me, that's the whole reason for choice nodes - have one that's easier and one that's harder but can give you a edge if you use it properly

[fresh coyote]

Maintain max uptime on envenom

For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.

For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

[magic dust]

Is anyone up to help me? Im loosing my fcking mind over this. My target dummy dps is like >10% lower than my sims and i actually dont know why.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rNXMG3TSEKddkHZJoMEzXV
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NmrMvT1LPd3GjKZt#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=2

[lusty narwhal]

Got nothing to compare that to

Need logs or details breakdown

[magic dust]

i posted the log link

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NmrMvT1LPd3GjKZt#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=2

[lusty narwhal]

ah so you did, im blind

[magic dust]

all good lmao

[fresh coyote]

Sorry to be a pain but does anyone have an answer to this, please? 🙂

[prime cairn]

not pressing snd or tea now to get used to the changes

[lusty narwhal]

The changes are a while away lol

[lusty narwhal]

Pretty sure theyre both viable, DS and TTB just speeds up the spec

[solemn lance]

so mutilate adds SnD now?

[fresh coyote]

Ah okay; thank you! DS and TTB it is then! Faster normally means better. Haha.

[shy pecan]

Envenom.

[eternal hawk]

What are some of the most important items in the raid for us to try and obtain? Very rare & not very rare

[solemn lance]

i mean enve

sorry

[scenic dawn]

lowkey thought they were just going to straight up remove slice and dice with the cut to the chase change

[lusty narwhal]

Should have

[rotund oak]

cant understand why theyve added the tea auto proc

to alleviate bloating and pressing more buttons

i dont mind,was just used to press it when i wanted it

[sturdy niche]

I just like tea as a button

Feels good to use to me

[rotund oak]

i think its sus but whatever

[sturdy niche]

😂

[hexed frost]

World Of Trinkets

half of rogue min-maxxing over last couple of expansions is just trinket-maxxing yourself

[scenic dawn]

this is probably the cas

a lot of management for rogue vs other classes for sure

[rotund oak]

cant think fo anything else that would make it be a thing tbh

yupyup

[scenic dawn]

it's probably one of the bigger problems blizzard are facing with the class in general

[cobalt sphinx]

run double vanish over tea in protest

[rotund oak]

i like that they removed snd

[scenic dawn]

same

hopefully they work on outlaw next

[vestal cliff]

I just read it and im

[rotund oak]

outlaw got some rly nice stuff

they can now mindlessly press bte

and refresh it with vanish/stealth

[lusty narwhal]

Are people playing sub or sin mostly for this raid you think

seeing a lot of sub around

[rotund oak]

that breaks the bte bug and makes outlaw kinda fine

[shy pecan]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All Specs are good and have niches and strengths that they play to. All three specs are looking viable with Assassination/Subtlety being preferred in raids. Mythic+ meta has not solidified yet but Assassination looked promising during beta.

Be aware that Simulations are a tool to be used to compare things like talents/gear/rotations, they are not the definite answer to what is meta or not meta. While outlaw is ahead in sims right now, especially dungeonslice, you have to take a step back and realize these are synthetic/generic situations that we use as a baseline. Dungeonslice has always been a great showing for outlaw simply due to the fight style matching well with the spec. This is not unusual or unheard of.

You can view logs of the raid when it comes out Here, or view the mythic+ run leaderboard Here.

[scenic dawn]

i can see sin jsut dominating

but i guess it depends on the heroic tuning

[lusty narwhal]

I dont think itll dominate

[rotund oak]

if they allign sblades timing with other cds (at 90 seconds) sub is gonna be monstrous with the 2 extra sod stacks

[scenic dawn]

honestly it feels crazy weird that assassination is so fast now

[rotund oak]

definitely the go for m+

[lusty narwhal]

Assuming youre talking about the 11.05 changes

[rotund oak]

yeah thats all the fuss for

[lusty narwhal]

Thats a while off yet

Im more interested in the first few weeks

[vagrant pawn]

was going to ask bout the cut to the chase change... but I saw the sticky... 😦 rip to slice n dice

[rotund oak]

ah in the first few weeks nothings changing

this is like mid/late november iirc

[lusty narwhal]

ya

Just seeing a lot of top rogues ripping sub atm so wondering why

[balmy condor]

Cause it’s probably the move

[west crown]

Is it just me or does the future thistle tea change seem bad for kingsbane

[lusty narwhal]

Surely not by a huge margin

[balmy condor]

What

[balmy condor]

They play for razerthin margins

I don’t get what tea has to do with kingsbane though

[lusty narwhal]

Invig Shadowdust makes me wanna kms

[bright dew]

Probably the mastery % that comes with tea but you can still hit tea if you want lol

[robust axle]

I mean at least Shadowdust is "easier" now than it was last expac

[bright dew]

It’s not like the button is going away

[west crown]

Oh I read it as only below 50 it triggers

[lusty narwhal]

How so, havent looked into it really tbh

[balmy condor]

Yeh nah it’s in addition to

[robust axle]

Like always hold Flag for Sblades now, never send naked

[balmy condor]

You can still hit it

[bright dew]

^

[balmy condor]

But we don’t hit it for the kingsbane damage anyway

[lusty narwhal]

You playing FB or DS Whispyr?

Curious

[bright dew]

Plays sub

[nova fractal]

wait what did i miss can you explain?

[thorn fjord]

Some of these ptr changes are pretty cool

[balmy condor]

Probably deathstalker unless there’s something breaking it

[thorn fjord]

Ct nerf tho

[balmy condor]

Ct unchanged

[west crown]

Its in the wowhead guide, do we strictly use it for energy now?

[scenic dawn]

I should have clarified, I haven't really played rogue for a while

[fresh coyote]

Still waiting on them fixing it with ER.. 😭

[lusty narwhal]

Yeah fair. Im still really weirded out why ER finishers dont affect the mark... feels really stupid lol. Enjoy it otherwise

[thorn fjord]

I mean the 11.0.5 stuff

[nova fractal]

Yooo its whispyr the goat Hope you are doing well friend

[nova fractal]

ah yeah because im like sin is so slow lol we are just pooling energy for our 2min afaik but i havent touched it yet this xpac

[balmy condor]

We use it for the extra casts during shiv, which happen to line up with kb in single target, but like in aoe it’s kinda whatever and just energy, or just sent to shiv

[balmy condor]

Hey hey yeah I’m aight

[nova fractal]

Thats good man happy to hear! I remember DF launch and patch launches was rough so Im glad you are doing better

[thorn fjord]

This is sick

[rotund oak]

wouldnt the auto proc tea below 50% make us lose the stacks pretty fast?cant see them staying around for our shiv into KB after the opener

[storm hedge]

50 energy not 50%

[balmy condor]

Oh that part is worse now

[nova fractal]

oh dear god im so sorry lol

at the very least I will attempt all my research before bugging you lmao

[balmy condor]

It’s like that but two talents

[rotund oak]

ah ye cool i stand corrected then

[red cloak]

so we dont have to press SnD anymore? and also, does that mean thistle tea is passive now or is it the same as it is now but also procs under 50 energy if you have charges

[blazing plaza]

hey. if u plat with only 1 stack of shiv. do u shiv and then kb or shiv inside kb ?

[nova fractal]

believe the wowhead guide says to shiv in the last part of KB

[balmy condor]

Yes, the latter

[nova fractal]

so your shiv covers that last bit

[bright dew]

Shiv last 8 secs

[sour kernel]

What's the priority of CT in ST boss for hybrid m+ talent?

[weak cypress]

How y’all feel about those new blue post

[rotund oak]

think its dope

i like it in general

[red cloak]

no more snd bless

[royal lantern]

you dont do that

[sour kernel]

So even if all my bleeds n poisons are up, I don't CT?

[rotund oak]

u dont CT on ST ever

[red cloak]

now all i want is for them to tie cleaving strikes to remorseless winter and i can die happy

[balmy condor]

Well

Ct in single target technically just with momentum if you’re talented

[royal lantern]

stop

[balmy condor]

It’s kinda super sweaty though

[pliant remnant]

bruh

That would be so good

too good for Blizzard to do it

[red cloak]

I'd play frost again

[balmy condor]

It’s 0.25% just don’t bother

[red cloak]

but for now im unholy

unholy actually ate this time ngl

[balmy condor]

Having to track a buff you don’t track otherwise just for sometimes CT is just whack imo

[nova fractal]

im so fuckin OOTL what is CT am i being dumb? am i just tired or dumb

[earnest remnant]

why not both?

[sour kernel]

Crimson tempest

[earnest remnant]

its crimsom tempest

[novel star]

why would you say this.

[pliant remnant]

Nah nah nah, it's Counter-Terrorist

Counter-Strike tings innit

[raven egret]

got some people arguing with me that secondary stat food isnt bis and writers are out of their minds

[sour kernel]

[balmy condor]

It is for some specs

For assa it’s like basically equal or somewhat better depending on setup

But who tf is bringing personal food to raids

[rotund oak]

lord raccoon sir your plan for total sub domination proceeds accordingly

[raven egret]

yeah I meant they were saying for example Ret Pallies that the writer had no clue what he was talking about

[weak cypress]

Auto tea now is dope

[balmy condor]

I say nothing

[novel star]

me, panda minmaxing

(i dont raid)

(and im lying too)

[near canyon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[novel star]

its actually bad if you were using tea optimally

good if u just whipped it on cd tho

[vestal cliff]

Does someone know when the Patch releases?

[novel star]

makes it easier

[weak cypress]

I only used it bellow 5 or to always have at least 1 on cd

[rotund oak]

mid/late november

[raven egret]

.5? November

[balmy condor]

November 20ish

[rotund oak]

on anniversary

[vestal cliff]

Damn

[wanton wolf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's 11.0 Afenar Edit
Luxthos's 11.0 Group
LE's 11.0 Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's 11.0 Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's 11.0 Plater

[low gate]

Does anyone know of a Combat Timer that tracks enemy players for PvP? Hi

[novel star]

the 20th anniversary patch? few months

[balmy condor]

#pvp

[hexed frost]

what about us mastery maxxers during Kingsbane/Shiv windows

[vestal cliff]

Auto tea is dangerous if you dont pool outside of shiv

[rotund oak]

not rly,its 50 energy,ive read it wrong as well

[vestal cliff]

It would be nice if you could toggle it

[rotund oak]

50 energy is whatever

[balmy condor]

50 energy is not whatever

[vernal shadow]

Auto tea is dumb, it should be a toggle talent. Let us pick one or the other.

[balmy condor]

But yeah you just pool

[rotund oak]

yeah thats what i meant,we dont rly go there,we just pool

[weak cypress]

Do those blue post go live on the 20th or soon

[vestal cliff]

Yeah if you dont pool the charges gonna say goodbye really quick

[rotund oak]

need a numerical and an energy wa

[pale plank]

Hold up, they removing shadowstep?

[lusty narwhal]

Only for outlaw

[unborn bridge]

for outlaw

[balmy condor]

No

[pale plank]

Aaaahhhhh

[novel star]

read more than 1 line

[pale plank]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[onyx linden]

holy shit they did the slice and dice thing

[novel star]

yeah

[lusty narwhal]

Did the slice and dice thing, didnt make DS Mark apply on garrote or something better and no talk of ER fix

[weak cypress]

Anyone wanna rate the changes coming on a 1-10

[lusty narwhal]

feelsbad

[novel star]

27

-20

[onyx linden]

Echoing Reprimand’s icon has been updated.

Take what you can get

[bleak eagle]

but did the fix the bug

with deathstaker?

[storm hedge]

I don't understand the Twist the knife change can someone explain in more detail? Does it mean you have even more poison application chance when overlap happens?

[onyx linden]

I dunno, but the icon was updated

so we got that going

[lusty narwhal]

Which one

[red cloak]

lmao which one :(

[hexed frost]

what's the shiv usage strat now? One charge at end of kingsbane and one on CD?

[novel star]

twist the knife is complicated read whispyrs message about it if you care ig

[grim jay]

Sounds like a typical "look at the wowhead guide" question

[onyx linden]

Whoa sub shadowdust removed

wtf

thats like their core ST build

[grim jay]

No

Deathstalker brew was equal

[onyx linden]

oh really?

haven't looked at that in a while

[grim jay]

Yes

[onyx linden]

shaman changes are like 10 pages wow

[hexed frost]

did they hire a new shaman dev?

[onyx linden]

its okay though, looking for ward to that new ER icon

[storm hedge]

That explanation is giga. Should be a command

[balmy condor]

They don’t have a “shaman dev”, their class team just spent a lot of time on shaman

[novel star]

eh the commands tend to not have that much info in them lol

[slate crown]

[novel star]

needs to be short and simple for a command

[novel star]

looking forward to never seeing it cause deathstalker cringe

[royal lantern]

wait, will that possibly enable some "dont ever drop bellow 50energy or you waste a tea charge" gameplay

or is it kinda w/e cus we will have a charge for kingsbane/Dm+kingnsbane windows anyway

[balmy condor]

Yes

[novel star]

it would be bad to go under 50 ya

but not like ruin ur life bad

just bad

[grim jay]

And its fucked

Imo

[storm hedge]

Hopefully they revert the tea change. Or they turn it into choice node

[drifting basin]

Oh no I tried to escape the feral gameplay and here we are

[royal lantern]

yes too.......?

[balmy condor]

The first

[hexed frost]

Imagine getting into a Kingsbane window w/o any tea

[royal lantern]

off

[hexed frost]

[balmy condor]

Obviously you don’t wanna drop under 50

[royal lantern]

really oof tbh

[balmy condor]

That’s never gonna happen though

[solid venture]

damn bruh speed3 gives me a whopping 70 DPS increase

[balmy condor]

You tea during opener

You’ll always have a charge for kingsbane

[balmy condor]

Bro’s learning about margin of error

Core memory

[solid venture]

damn forgot the /s

[grizzled heron]

💀

[nova fractal]

I was just thinkin that lmao

[slate crown]

Add tick placement at value 50 color red if all of trigger 10 active true and trigger 6 active true and trigger 7 active false show tick send tweet

[balmy condor]

Why not tick at 110

If you mut at 100 it’ll drop you to 40 and insta tea

[slate crown]

rip yeah

pls

[royal lantern]

that change should be a toogle/chose 1 node lmao

its horrible

[slate crown]

BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE NOT PLAYING VV OH NO

[storm hedge]

Choice node for a completely passive vs current tea would make more sense than this change

[onyx linden]

Why would auto tea ever be something to put in? DId they see people complaining about button bloat or something and thought that was the best way to combat it? So dumb

[slate crown]

People have been complaining about button bloat for a long time

on many classes, but rogue has gotten complaints

I do not think this is the answer

[onyx linden]

yeah I guess, and they did it a good way with slice and dice

but the tea thing

I dunno

[grim jay]

Never say never

[nova fractal]

isnt that like rogues whole shitck though lol

[slate crown]

[royal lantern]

probably yeha, but its a kinda weird and counter productive change

cus like, now the gameplay get another step with "and dont fall bellow X energy or you waste a tea"

[grim jay]

Definitely isnt

[slate crown]

I have several keybinds to spare personally but

[grim jay]

Removing a button to potentially make the rotation worse

For sure aint it

They should make it a different ability you can toggle

[storm hedge]

Same

[grim jay]

The auto use part

[raven egret]

I have some flexibility but tbh I'm aight where the button count is at now, sin wise

[jagged pebble]

so are assassination sims correct? or is assassination daamge higher than sims be saying?

[novel star]

depends what you mean by correct

sims have the same advantages and disadvantages theyve always had

[random belfry]

couldnt they make the thistle tea talent a choice node for a versiont hat auto procs at 50 and one that doesnt?

like what they did for monks charge talent

[cobalt sphinx]

No

[boreal lichen]

Is the new assa passive twist the knife (2envonoms stack) worth thinking about ? For me it sounds like a good burst buff

[grim jay]

They sure could. The could aswell add a toggle to activate and deactivate the automatic part

[grim jay]

Pins

[bronze pike]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-fucking-get-you-neko-atsume-me-when-me-when-i-get-you-mrtheyes-gif-4157721420697656658

[onyx linden]

lol warriors got like two lines of changes.

[slate crown]

#assassination message

[zinc frost]

Those tea changes are certainly changes.

[solid venture]

can't wait to see people complain about tea changes all day long

[brave gyro]

The changes overall are good first steps 🙂

[terse orchid]

How

[storm hedge]

Good I'm driving all day so won't have to read them

[grim jay]

Definitely warranted this time

[brave gyro]

most of all, it sets a precedent for bigger changes being indipendant from major season patches

[golden quail]

Why can’t they just make tea a choice node and let players pick auto proc or not

[grim jay]

Its a .5 patch, they often do changes there

[terse orchid]

.5 patches are often used for changes like this?

[brave gyro]

yes, but not often to this scale

before we'd had to wait for a new expansion

[boreal lichen]

Any eta on the patch ? Will er get in before raid release? Or in 1-2 months?

[slate crown]

Don’t you positivity me out of

[brave gyro]

[grim jay]

I dont think changing 1 or 2 talents is a big scale tbf

[terse orchid]

2ish months

[grim jay]

Way after

Raid

[pliant remnant]

I mean, this is pretty standard .5 patch scale for like the third expansion at least now

[brave gyro]

You know, being away from from the server for a few weeks really cleanses my soul from the constant misery being dumped here

[grim jay]

But now you came back at the worst time

Because actual misery is happening

[brave gyro]

That's my secret... I'm not back

Im just doing a drive-by shooting (you with better vibes)

[brave gyro]

that's the regular

[grim jay]

Nah the regular is people crying about stuff that aint bad

[brave gyro]

Whispyr, Owl was either a prophet, or him spamming Realz worked - a lot of his suggestions got implemented

[royal lantern]

aka stuff you like = not that bad (aka everything desthstalker related)

stuff you dont like = very bad

gotcha mate

its a joke btw

[balmy condor]

Sometimes I’m tempted to just throw like a perma 2 hour slow mode on the channel and have moroes slam a “read guide/pins” every 3 minutes

[heavy junco]

guys fatebound - deathstalker for single raid? wich one ?

[grim jay]

You can choke deez nuts

[heavy junco]

deathstalker is ok i think?

[robust axle]

Whichever you prefer, DS is more dmg on singletarget

[royal lantern]

i cant, waiting for energy because im at 70 and would waste a tea charge, last envenom has to wait

[grim jay]

Gotta think of it as "the 50 energy mark is lava" and its a fun game

[willow vine]

I have more fun with deathstalker

[grim jay]

You, sir, are based

[novel star]

well later guys

[royal lantern]

damm

Bllizzard got you

[novel star]

LMFAOOO

[raven egret]

Damn that is some cereal business you got into

[willow vine]

Hahaha coin bores me bro

[slate crown]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[royal lantern]

@grim jay but hey
SnD is basically gone now

thats atleast a win

[willow vine]

Yeah

[novel star]

you still have to spend a point for it

[brave gyro]

and you had to spend to have 1 shadowstep b4

[novel star]

?

[brave gyro]

oh that was old tree thing, nvm 😄

[novel star]

thats not true one is just a passive

yea

you used to like

in 10.1 or whatever

[grim jay]

Nothing can get me excited about those patchnotes until I played with that auto tea shit and it didnt annoy me

[brave gyro]

wait, nvm - you DO have to spend a talent point for a Shadowstep now 😄

[grim jay]

I mean it would be a skill issue probably, but still

[novel star]

you spend a point for +1 charge

shadowstep and hook are default talents

[brave gyro]

yeah, so what's the problem?

[novel star]

currently shadowstep is on the tree meaning sub/sin get 2 shadowsteps for 1 point and outlaw gets 1 hook 1 shadowstep

[brave gyro]

before you spend the talent to get ONE charge

[novel star]

the change does nothing on sin and sub

but gives outlaw 2 hooks

instead of 1/1

[weak cypress]

Doing putting a point into it give you 2

[novel star]

no

one shadowstep is just a base spell

since 10.2

the talent adds +1

[brave gyro]

i lowkey like that Outlaw gets 2x hooks instead

[novel star]

yeah its nice

was kinda stupid they had both

[wild hound]

Could we theoretically macro all our energy spenders to not cast unless over 50+X energy cost of spender haha?

[novel star]

no

[willow vine]

Idk if it’s the best choice but I bleed things first as I feel it’s slightly more important

[grim jay]

Depends on the status of the living mobs that got pulled into the next pack.

[novel star]

thats a whispyr question but my gut feeling is you would mark first to get singular focus rolling after rupture sniping as usual to have enough energy to afford it

[brave gyro]

farewell again @grim jay , the grass is calling for me to be touched

[grim jay]

Touch some for me aswell

The nolife time is drawing near

Miss you

[royal lantern]

you cant, i ate it all

[novel star]

actually nevermind this is probably just totally not true

[brave gyro]

fiber

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-eating-gif-9803167

[novel star]

im cooking nothing there

[clever sapphire]

dont lie, you are not a tauren

[royal lantern]

bnuy?

[brave gyro]

maybe i'll sort things by the end of the year, we'll see

[clever sapphire]

vulpera is a fox

not a bnuy

[novel star]

wish there was a bunnygirl race in wow

more furries

panda wolf fox arent enough

[clever sapphire]

i like how you didnt mention tauren at all

[novel star]

they don't count

[grim jay]

Always do it thoroughly and dont rush it

[royal lantern]

looking at porn sites, they kinda do

[fallen arch]

I’m so disappointed by these ptr updates

[clever sapphire]

what about that blue alliance race which name i forgor, isnt that just a naked tauren so almost a furry?

[royal lantern]

nah, draenei is for futa enjoyers

[clever sapphire]

aaah okay

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-cat-ear-cat-cloes-up-gif-3440707554313723183

[grim jay]

Draenei would even be more human than tauren

[clever sapphire]

and what about dracthyr

[grim jay]

[keen viper]

!hero

[prisma monolith]

Both Hero Talents are viable in all content, and are within 2-5% of each other.
Fatebound: Instant damage, is easy to play, can remove some buttons from the rotation, little to no added gameplay
Deathstalker: Introduces gameplay, Singular focus adds big priority damage, suffers from bugs and marks being hard to juggle in easy content like heroic/m0 dungeons

[clever sapphire]

dracthyr is a furry right, im pretty sure dragons are

[grim jay]

Im only disappointed by the tea change

[clever sapphire]

that tea change is soo horrible, i read it and assumed its an april fools joke

[brave gyro]

i am not rushing my next PC build, im waiting for the 5000 series to drop early 2025, and see what machine to build

[novel star]

scalie

but you could say scalie is just like a subset of furry

so

yeah probly

[clever sapphire]

su scalie is a spec of the furry class

got it

[novel star]

pretty much

[grim jay]

I'll have to change my CPU and mobo next, but that probably wont happen earlier than in a year or smth

[clever sapphire]

getting educated on the rogue discord, just how i like it

[iron carbon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[grim jay]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview
I came across a new one

[iron carbon]

@balmy condor On your plater, Target stay green when spatter is off, is that on purpose?

[devout mist]

some1 pls tell me that automatic tea is an aprils fools joke

[fiery cradle]

It definitely feels like a gameplay nerf.

[devout mist]

i just skimmed through the changes

at least the cut to the chase cchange is good

can unbind snd i guess

and at this point tea aswell

[fallen arch]

I’m disappointed they are not adressing the DN shenanigans

[cedar hare]

have something changed overnight? I feel weaker just over night

[grim jay]

I mean its definitely a skill issue part if you cant play around it, but it for sure is pretty stupid

[keen viper]

!enchants

[mental oar]

ive gotten the same dm from the same mf

[fallen arch]

But ye Tea change sucks bigtime

[grim jay]

Bro thats a Patch for in a few months

[clever sapphire]

wdym, now you will have to make sure you dont drop below 50 energy

[royal lantern]

we all wish lol

[fallen arch]

?

[grim jay]

DN stuff should be fixed closer than in a few months

[devout mist]

fuck that im not jumping through hoops, to manage tea

[novel star]

if you mean in dungeons, other people are getting more geared and playing burst specs so naturally ur gonna suffer when ur bleeds arent ticking

[devout mist]

its just

like some1 never played this spec

[novel star]

if not dungeons then ur imagining it. but ur prolly imagining it either way

[devout mist]

lemme press tea when i want

[cinder parrot]

I can't believe that for the first two weeks of this xpac, I have not been applying deathstalker's mark in my rotation because I forgot to open with ambush... and i was wondering why I was missing so much dmg on some fights 🤦

[novel star]

sin hasnt got any major tuning stuff

[grim jay]

You still can

[fiery cradle]

It's like they forgot about the management of the buff

[grim jay]

It just automatically triggers below 50

[fallen arch]

Oh ye correct. I’m just disappointed that there are pages and pages of changes for in a dew months while these bugs arent addressed

[devout mist]

thats terrible

at least make it a toggle

[clever sapphire]

exactly, imagine if any time you get tired in real life someone would shove down a whole tea your throat

[devout mist]

if u want that interaction fine

[novel star]

sheesh...

[grim jay]

It might be different people working on fixes and on future changes

[clever sapphire]

aight i def turned on some people just now

[devout mist]

brits wouldnt mind

[fallen arch]

Lets hope so 😂

[royal lantern]

mate, i say that in a respective way now because i like you

nobody takes you serious if you always yell around SkIlL IsSuE on desing problems, it makes you just look like a prick

[fair coyote]

so much copium on ds bugs on this channel, i am starting to think they don't consider it a bug

[obtuse ruin]

make that a beer and im okay with it tbh

[royal lantern]

i mean, ER SOMETIMES works on deathstalker 3CP

so they try to do something there

• it would be really really stupid if it doesnt work, like whats the logical conclusion for that

[fallen arch]

Same

[grim jay]

Idc, people not liking facts always exist. I dont even exclude me on the issue because I know I will mess it up sometimes.
Something being triggered because you didnt play around it doesnt mean its good. Gotta take the stuff for what it is and not for 2024 zoomer "oh no I for sure gotta get personally offended" shit

[fallen arch]

It feels like ‘fuck you, just play with what u get’

[grim jay]

And I even said its stupid

Or more so terrible probably

[fallen arch]

It is stupid, I think we can agree on that

Is this a way for them to adress ‘button bloat’?

[opaque thunder]

aint nothing wrong with more skill expression

[grim jay]

Probably

[grim jay]

There is

If its stupid

[waxen oyster]

tea was a bad button

[grim jay]

And that definitely is

[fallen arch]

Elaborate

[waxen oyster]

boring

[young dust]

Probably, rogue is one of the least played because newcomers get scared and overloaded

[waxen oyster]

made to appease boomers who cant let go of a 20 year old version of the game

[young dust]

when you can play ret

[clever sapphire]

i dont want rogue to become ret

[glass hemlock]

I only push like 15 buttons on rogue

[clever sapphire]

i like my rogue like it is

[glass hemlock]

🙃

[grim jay]

Which is funny because some classes got it worse on the overloaded/buttonbloat side

[glass hemlock]

Okay maybe 20 buttons

[vernal adder]

Blood dk?

[grim jay]

But ye thats also a thing

[glass hemlock]

Go play rsham and tell me about keybinds

[crystal nymph]

is there any bluepost link?

[opaque thunder]

genuinely curious, which classes have it worse than outlaw?

[waxen oyster]

I miss classes having 40 binds

[cobalt sphinx]

yo?

[grim jay]

Every healer (bad example probably bcs not popular) bdk and monk atleast

[royal lantern]

i mean, that "skill expression" will just translate into "dont use abilitys bellow the mark that your WA put in your energy bar and instead wait and auto attack"

[royal lantern]

and history showed us that people love doing nothing and auto attack i gues? pooling is controversial even in assa lol

[vernal adder]

Big unit

[young dust]

might as well remove thistle tea and give us another talent

[grim jay]

Ye it just cuts your bar by 50 energy and if you overspend you get taxed

[waxen oyster]

classic mains

[grim jay]

Probably the worst way to introduce skill expression

[royal lantern]

taking a talent that gives energy and the Result is having less of your energy to spend in total

is a choice

[young dust]

its controversial considering it also gives mastery buff

[royal lantern]

i mean, i get the idea

[grim jay]

A bad one

[royal lantern]

its for the "button bloat" people

and it fits there

they didnt thought about the other implications

and how it will affect the gameplay in general

[grim jay]

I mean the toggle approach is pretty obvious imo

[royal lantern]

ye

[crystal nymph]

blue post link pls 🙂

[waxen oyster]

the mastery buff of tea is so minor

[royal lantern]

just make a chose 1 node

passive tea and active tea

[white holly]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/20th-anniversary-update-ptr-development-notes-534486

[crystal nymph]

thx mate

[grim jay]

And put milk in the passive one so people will hate it

[quasi geode]

Or the way they did keefers skyreach on monk (iirc) where its a choice node once with and ocne without dash. Unless Im misremembering that specific bit

ah

[grim jay]

Yeah I mean thats basically the same idea

[quasi geode]

nvm me, didnt scroll back enough

[grim jay]

But we gotta wait and see, maybe they ll do something with it and it was just their base idea put into the ability

[fallen arch]

Wdym 10/10 Brits and Indians would play the milk one

[quasi geode]

Its for november, and they appear to be listening in quite a few ways so no worries warranted yet IMO

thistle milk, new talent on feral druids

[young dust]

yeah they had some interns come up with a few ideas for now

[snow kindle]

If they make it a choice node between passive/active everyone’s happy

[grim jay]

Also we didnt get the short end of the stick on the early notes either

[young dust]

we'll definitely see changes

[vernal adder]

"Assassination now gets rtb also"

[grim jay]

Easy way to make sure I wont touch the spec

[quasi geode]

A yes, rtb roll the boins

[vernal adder]

Roll the bonks

[lusty narwhal]

Ream the butt

[zealous wolf]

reading this Echoing Reprimand’s icon has been updated, made me excited for like half a sec

[grim jay]

Do you mean rim?

[grim jay]

The marks seem to be fixed on ptr

But DN isnt

[storm hedge]

Do we have numbers for how much we lose using bubbling wax vs whetstone?

[grim jay]

Between 0.3 and 0.6 or something

[storm hedge]

I guess I'm never using whetstone then

[grim jay]

Per application tho iirc

So in total its double that

[clever sapphire]

kingsbane was pretty much rtb amount of luck in DF

[grim jay]

Variance and stupid abilities arent the same

[lusty narwhal]

I do not

Look up the slang

[elder prism]

Outlaw doesn't even have many buttons (I've main'ed it since BFA) it's just a fast spec and now quite unforgiving if you mess up crackshot/sub windows. I recently started delving in Ass (HA) and occasionally go back to outlaw due to comfort zone and the difference in pace is huge XD

[grim jay]

Many

Because

[elder prism]

YES. This also, we're all crying in outlaw about this

[bronze pike]

oh nooo

no acri

noooo unplayble spec

[elder prism]

We've just had it since forever, for it to be taken away feels like a core part of outlaw was ripped out. Definately manageable but takes some getting used to

[grim jay]

Yeah because of that its a non issue

If the only bad point is no acro

Then its fine

[grim jay]

Sounds like.. Every spec that had a range increase

[bronze pike]

it sounds like

[elder prism]

Which was mainly outlaw and feral

[bronze pike]

auto range extenders was a bad idea to begin with

and cover a ugly dungeon design issue

and makes every spec that doesnt have a aut oextender lag behind

[round nexus]

can't really compare outlaw to any other melee in that regard

[bronze pike]

sure i can

[elder prism]

most outlaws myself included are just pissed at how buggy the class is currently

[bronze pike]

theres like 3 other melee specs that rely on uptime

[cerulean peak]

Make daggers have 5yd and everything else 8yds #lore #shortdaggers

[bronze pike]

and fall off hard when they get any downtime

[elder prism]

the acro sucks, but its minor in comparrison to BTE/stealth bugs

[bronze pike]

the actual issue is that sub

has bladeflurry now

and a aoe spender

[wicked dagger]

Don't shoot me, but what 3 poisons do we use, hybrid build

[grim jay]

Does it

[fallen arch]

Deadly amp and whatever

[grim jay]

Because it hits like a noodle

Might aswell not have an aoe spender

[iron carbon]

Amp, deadly and numb

[clever sapphire]

wait but why 3 poisons and not 4

did i miss a nerf to dtb or wat

[grim jay]

Same. Im confused

[iron carbon]

Cuz Crippling** is useless right now

[rotund oak]

why do we regurgitate this

[fallen arch]

2nd non lethal crippling

[grim jay]

Miss me with your intelligent words

[grim jay]

It isnt

[clever sapphire]

and it is becaaaause?

[drifting basin]

theres a reason they are adding the acro range back to blade flurry

[clever sapphire]

(tbh im running bleed build, i dont see the value in hybrid with 10 sec pulls)

[drifting basin]

the specc is literally just unplayable in aoe without the acro range

[spring aurora]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[iron carbon]

Cuz it takes more time for tank to gather trashes and he does not need to kite?

[bronze pike]

and yet

[grim jay]

Btw what he said is relevant in any context

For the outlaw crybabys

[grim jay]

Yeah thats a wild take

You also lose damage

[iron carbon]

Lose damages for not using crippling?

[grim jay]

Yes

[iron carbon]

How come?

[waxen oyster]

what stealth bug does outlaw have

[normal mist]

Morning, hopefully everyone had calmed down from yesterday's patch notes

[waxen oyster]

is it crybabies complaining they cant macro trinkets to their rotation

i swear bomb dispenser created a brainrot generation

[iron carbon]

Go to outlaw and use !stealthbug macro

[waxen oyster]

yeah most of those bugs are avoidable

[iron carbon]

Crippling do not do damages

[cobalt sphinx]

[grim jay]

But its a weapon poison

That buffs the others

[iron carbon]

You speaking about a 2% buff

[ruby birch]

Yeah

2% is pretty nice

[grim jay]

2% damage for a useless gain of not slowing

[ruby birch]

That’s like 5 sub rogue talents

[clever sapphire]

people are crying about a 0.1% nerf/buff minmaxing and you act like 2% is nothing

wat

[waxen oyster]

like the casting vanish before a subterfuge ends

is literally player error

[grim jay]

Not using crippling because of tank gathering is some m+ andy streamer brainrot

[rotund oak]

idk man too much yellow madness lately here,old news nobody cares

[grim jay]

True but they gotta get brought out of their bubble sometimes

[rotund oak]

yup yup true

[grim jay]

They are still brothers

Even if they are strange

And weird

[brave stump]

Toxic

[grim jay]

I just said something wholesome

[next quarry]

Just read the patch notes, wont this massivly fuck up the burst windows because it automatically consumes tea if you go too low enery outside burst windows?

[grim jay]

Yeah you wont go below 50 then anymore

[clever sapphire]

no it just means you will now play to never hit 50 energy

[grim jay]

[waxen oyster]

your energy never goes that low during burst

[faint quartz]

I am not sure I'm interpreting the Cut to the Chase change correctly. Is it that we don't have any buttons to press there or that once we press Slice and Dice at any CP, it comes as if it was just fully refreshed?

[clever sapphire]

he did say outside

[waxen oyster]

you are literally drowning in energy during dm openers

[clever sapphire]

meaning using up tea outside of burst windows because of envenom chain

[waxen oyster]

sucks we have no control but

we kinda used it for energy

regardless

[grim jay]

No button on the new patch in some months, use once on live

[novel star]

good job guys

lets fucking go

[next quarry]

But why would they do this, I mean it maybe helps the noobs that dont even click tea but it makes it more complex in a way to watch your energy not hitting 50 when you dont want it to trigger

[hidden dirge]

no button slice will feel good in opners

[brave stump]

yellow names are the madness here

[iron carbon]

We speaking about content where you take all trash on bosses. I pref them coming faster on it to blast instead of waiting longer for some to arrive

[brave stump]

[novel star]

yea a lot of people mash tea on cd

its for them

[iron carbon]

Ofc it's a personal dps loss of 2% but I think group wil ldo more damages overall

And it's a personal thought btw

[topaz isle]

What is acro?

[waxen oyster]

long arms

[brave stump]

[waxen oyster]

df babiescrying

[novel star]

acrobatic strikes

[waxen oyster]

because they have to play normal melee range again

[novel star]

this talent. used to be +3yard auto range or smth

[drifting basin]

havent rogues had this range since legion

[novel star]

new version is objectively better but outlaws were mad because it made their blade flurry range awkward i think

[clever sapphire]

they dont even arrive because the warri smashes his head on the keyboard and the paladin is rolling on the floor

[topaz isle]

Ah. Was that outlaw only prior?

[waxen oyster]

only outlaw had it

[grim jay]

Yeah dont drag other people into this, its overall just not the play
And people will take it as if its better

[novel star]

ya

[waxen oyster]

and frankly if you were playing outlaw in legion you were kind of griefing

[topaz isle]

Ah thanks for clarification

[waxen oyster]

in any meaningful content

NH sin dominated boss dam so hard

and sub just became king from tos onward

[elder prism]

Avoidable? not really- has nothing to do with trinkets

[waxen oyster]

the only bug that isnt on the list is the bte one

[novel star]

what is this lethal dose conversation btw

[waxen oyster]

if you vanish before subterfuge ends that's a you problem

[grim jay]

Nothing new

[waxen oyster]

if you use a trinket to break your stealth thats never given subterfuge

[iron carbon]

As you wish

[waxen oyster]

Longer i stay in rh more i realize

[novel star]

is someone arguing lethal dose is bad im confused

[waxen oyster]

outlaw otps are kind of....dented

[cobalt sphinx]

it's a lot smaller than a 2% loss

[waxen oyster]

in the head

[cobalt sphinx]

it's 2% to bleeds and nature damage over time

[brave stump]

Damn Xiani really sounds like a nice person

[iron carbon]

I know right but I made people angry

[grim jay]

No it was just about not utilizing lethal dose fully for some non tantible effect on the tanks capability of grouping mobs faster in giant pulls, which is irrelevant in 99. 9% of the cases

[cobalt sphinx]

crippling can be annoying but it is a damage loss yeah

[grim jay]

And people will take it as crazy tech

[novel star]

oh like taking dtb and only applying one nonlethal?

[clever sapphire]

saying its a dps loss is kind of a missinformation so telling others to run 3 poisons will just make it harder to explain shit

[novel star]

ew

[waxen oyster]

solution

let us play both numbing

and atro

[cobalt sphinx]

crippling in cleft so everything is a mile behind in the darkness 👍

best dungeon ever

[clever sapphire]

just play bleed and now you cant apply 4 poisons

[iron carbon]

I didn't tell "run 3 poisons"

[waxen oyster]

ok whoever designed cleft

i hope your pillow is warm

at night

[grim jay]

Marginally slower mobs can be a gain for grouping even

[iron carbon]

I explained why some people play 3 poisons for now and not 4

[covert sedge]

“Let’s take PoE delve and make it suck ass”

[novel star]

crippling is annoying in like heroics max maybe

but

[grim jay]

Who is some people

[waxen oyster]

crippling isnt an issue anyway

when some zugzug warrior chargs in and blows his cds during gather

and complains about aggro

let's be real

[clever sapphire]

aight maybe i misunderstood you in that case

[grim jay]

The best thing is that rangeds can still just dps while at the cart

[novel star]

darkflame is such a shit dungeon

[clever sapphire]

only time i would tell you to not run crippling is maybe sanguine week

but thats gone afaik

[iron carbon]

3 in the last 12 hours I see

[cobalt sphinx]

i think crippling is annoying and the slow is a negative but i run it anyway for the damage

not really a big deal

[iron carbon]

Speaking about 3 poisons

[novel star]

sanguine is indeed gone forever

so is bolstering

[clever sapphire]

[waxen oyster]

you kno what i miss

[clever sapphire]

luckily

[waxen oyster]

bte stunning mobs in sanguine

jk i dont

[crystal nymph]

Cttc will also stack duration?

[clever sapphire]

aye

[iron carbon]

More annoying than Crippling 🙄

[clever sapphire]

just play with crippling and arterial and press shiv, ah wait sanguine gone sadge

[waxen oyster]

anyone else remember

[red flicker]

Guys is the thistle change good or bad?

[waxen oyster]

when shiv wasnt parryable

[sage frost]

Is Crimson Tempest getting nerfed?

[iron carbon]

Check pins

[grim jay]

Someone with actual m+ presence? Not trying to be toxic there btw

Also I personally tank m+ and I couldnt care less about crippling

[clever sapphire]

huh?

[sage frost]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-0-5-datamined-class-changes-346471

[novel star]

the crimson tempest change is just tooltip cleanup stuff

[waxen oyster]

im a degen when i tank dungeons so i cant be trusted to tank hard content

if im not pulling the entire room and making the healer sweat buckets

i dont want any part in it

[clever sapphire]

what oli said

[sage frost]

Truly hope it is, the numbers on the datamined class changes changed

[grim jay]

But thats a prime example of where you would hypothetically get affected

[clever sapphire]

that just means you are made for mdi and tgp, because they do that

[ancient kraken]

im so hoping they dont go through with the thisl tea changes

[astral obsidian]

The tea change is so bad

[royal lantern]

@bronze pike tanks slow stuff by themself in aoe anyway lol

[novel star]

go on ptr and give em feedback then

[cobalt sphinx]

a lot easier to pull the whole room when it's not all slowed by crippling right

[bronze pike]

some tnaks do

also kinda irrelevant

[royal lantern]

like, a warrior using thunderclap to get his aoe aggro is allready slowing

[waxen oyster]

doesnt matter some warrior or ret pally will blow his full cds on the gather

and complain about aggro

[bronze pike]

if they had a bad tank sure

which is common

ive never gotten my aggro taken

[waxen oyster]

i like when im gathering and leaping for los

[clever sapphire]

i think i never had as much aggro problems as i have rn, i keep pulling for the tank because i want my fatebound coin to not drop

[bronze pike]

by anyone but evoker

[waxen oyster]

to make the group come nicely

[bronze pike]

yet as ret, i rip aggro

curious

[waxen oyster]

and the pally presses wings

[iron carbon]

Nha, I mean, 3 people in the last 12 hours are speaking about using only 3 poisons, I guess so they don't want run crippling cuz it brings nothing for current content.
Crippling save your ass when you need to kite, that's it. And nobody hit trashes when tank gather pull in M+.
In HCs, everyone hit when he can and tanks do not need to kite. So, imo, it brings more dps loss than up.

[bronze pike]

you mean the active mitigation?

nah

[waxen oyster]

i dont lose aggro ever once cds are blown

[bronze pike]

we dont mind those

[waxen oyster]

no i mean ret

[novel star]

surely they make lucky coin 20 sec

[bronze pike]

ya

[waxen oyster]

pressing dam wings

[bronze pike]

the active mitigation

ripping aggro

[waxen oyster]

ret

[bronze pike]

mobs not on you, so you take 0 damage

[waxen oyster]

active mitigation

[grim jay]

Except that it isnt really. Its not like you cant hit the mobs while they are slowed and the tank also needs enough space to survive gathering, which crippling helps with, even if the slow isnt that strong

[waxen oyster]

is there a communication disconnect

[bronze pike]

there for

its active mitigation

non meme answer tho

[waxen oyster]

honestly my hp never moves much in tww dungeons

unless its cindermead

[bronze pike]

like either tell em to hold their load

[waxen oyster]

that place pushes my shit in

[marsh zinc]

Is tea completely passive after changes?

[bronze pike]

or pull with your big boy buttons first globals

[grim jay]

But if noone hits it while the tank is gathering, how would you apply your crippling in the first place? You just made it a non issue

[bronze pike]

like within 3 globals or less im already slapping spiritbomb as veng'

and all the mobs are glue

[waxen oyster]

implying i dont instant shield wall once the angry mob is in melee range

[bronze pike]

no matter what happens

[clever sapphire]

pins, but now its worse cause now you have to stay above 50 energy for tea to not proc

[iron carbon]

Read again pls

[bronze pike]

not your cds

[blazing badge]

"Cut to the Chase now grants Slice and Dice duration, instead of requiring an existing Slice and Dice to extend."
This is so great.

[waxen oyster]

im also a degenerate and play the bee trinket

[bronze pike]

if anything

[waxen oyster]

as tank

[bronze pike]

idk how warrior tanks play

[waxen oyster]

doing 20mil damage in one use

[bronze pike]

thats nomes stick

[novel star]

wish it would be live instead of 20th anniversary patch but alas

[bronze pike]

i am a spieky demon

[clever sapphire]

or you know what else they could do at this point? make snd a passive and not have to rely on envenom at all

[grim jay]

You just talked about heroics which I ignore because its irrelevant content and stuff dies before you even reach the next pack with or without a slow

[clever sapphire]

cause its gonna be perma up now anyways so whats the point

[bronze pike]

i would imagine prot has buttons that do huge bursts of damage to keep stuff on you at all times

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[bronze pike]

like dont yall have avatar?

[waxen oyster]

you press thunderclap

[bronze pike]

which is a dps increase

?

[waxen oyster]

and avatar you get cdr on

which you press like outlaw presses bladeflurry

[bronze pike]

ya idk i cant comment on prot warrior

[iron carbon]

Yes, and for now we got what? Only heroics. And what I said? Crippling useless for now CUZ we only got heroics.

[waxen oyster]

oh no i dont have aggro issues unless im still gathering and some monkey blows his load

on the stragglers

[bronze pike]

ya memes aside

tell em to wait

if they dont

enhoy the few seconds without damage done to you

[waxen oyster]

yeah i just let them die

[bronze pike]

cause dps ape blew his load and got promoted to active mitigation

[waxen oyster]

was funnier on dh with grieftorch

[rotund oak]

HAHAHAHAHA

[waxen oyster]

free damage for me

[grim jay]

Yeah and I said it wont matter in heroics either, because stuff is dead before gathering either way

[rotund oak]

savage

[grim jay]

And we dont wanna build weird habits because of some heroic shenanigans

[marsh zinc]

Will bloodlust be a problem?

In like can we drop below 50 on demand?

[grim jay]

But do you have aggro issues if you read some patchnotes?

[normal mist]

If there's a lust, there will be a DM rolling

So no

[waxen oyster]

you can still tea manually

as well

[grim jay]

You can use it yourself still

[bronze dune]

Is it better to use vanish to reapply deathstalkers mark, or improved garrote?

[marsh zinc]

Ahh ok

[waxen oyster]

read darkest night

your capstone

[marsh zinc]

This still feels weird

[normal mist]

Improved garr as we have in the guides

[bronze dune]

Ah, I am stupid. Thanks

[normal mist]

Deathstalker marks should be almost a press ambush once and forget

[waxen oyster]

technically you can do both in the same vanish

ambush first global

garrote second

[iron carbon]

You're the kind of people that were playing crippling in sanguine weeks for sure.

[normal mist]

Yes yes I explained after that

[iron carbon]

"For not breaking habits"

[rotund oak]

even as a deathstalker fanatic im playing fatebound now

[meager moon]

Greetings

[normal mist]

Yo

[rotund oak]

i dont wanna deal with mark being buggy and all

also hi

[meager moon]

guys anyone know why my betterblizzplates is not working?

[grim jay]

Its different to do something for a tangible gain or for some hypothetical not existing issue

[normal mist]

I'm actually having fun with 7cp snipes in dungeons xD

[grim jay]

[meager moon]

after the patch it doesnt show the HP bar

[grim jay]

Did you check for an update?

[normal mist]

Have you updated addons?

[iron carbon]

But you're right, we must play 4 poisons 🙂
Got some works and I'm bored arguing about a thing that will not matters in 2 weeks

[meager moon]

its updated

[iron carbon]

You slow as always

[normal mist]

I'm not competing today

[grim jay]

Maybe they broke something

Can happen even if rarely

[haughty sand]

What are you boys doing for spark/embalishemnt?

[grim jay]

For random updates

[grim jay]

Waiting

For mythic week

[celest drift]

What do we think about Ulria tier piece sheet guys

[royal lantern]

the what

[celest drift]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/edit?gid=1489780415#gid=1489780415

[bronze dune]

Sorry I have another question that might seem stupid. I read about energy pooling and just wanted to confirm that when I'm not in my burst window, the best thing to do is cap energy and then chain envenoms until I can't anymore? Rinse, repeat.

[copper moth]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

Read About Pooling
TLDR:Maintain max uptime on envenom

• For Fatebound, sanguine blades is typically much better than Deathstalker. For this reason, if you can't maintain Envenom uptime anymore, you should build combo points, then reset your energy back to around 70% before maintaining again.
• For Deathstalker, try to stay under 50% as much as possible while maxing out Envenom uptime. Single target builds play vicious venoms instead of sanguine blades as well.

The reason we do this is to maximize uptimes and use energy more efficiently for Deathstalker marks/cooldowns. Staying under 50% leads to more envenom casts, which is more Darkest Night Procs. For Fatebound, heads flips contribute damage regardless of if you're flipping or not, so this pressure to keep spending is lessened.

[bronze dune]

Nice! Thanks alot

[royal lantern]

@copper moth get rekt by royal

[copper moth]

why the whole paragraph is nonsense

[grim jay]

?

[copper moth]

why should that be the case

[velvet ridge]

I hope the tea change is a choice node. 1 full passive, 1 stays same

[forest oasis]

do you think blizzard put that much thought into a rogue thing?

[royal lantern]

because envenom does dmg

and bleeds not really

and during your cds, aka when bleeds actually do dmg, you get above 50% by default

[indigo mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[ripe carbon]

in ST do we try to keep reapplying deathstalkers mark and use 7cp??